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Gay 9/11, Galliano Gate, Piss Gate · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Like a Virgin. I'm Rose Damu. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm Fran Tirado. And Rose, it's all wrong, but it's
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  Speaker 1: all right. Y'all, we, as a community, survived gay 9-11. Well, 9-11. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: the question is, do we say 9-11 the way Cait
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  Speaker 1: Jenner says 9-11, or do we say 9-11 the way
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  Speaker 1: Mariah Carey says 9-11? Well, this is Like a Virgin.
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  Speaker 1: We say it like Caitlyn. We say it like Cait-
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  Speaker 1: How did Mariah kind of, well, so Kate famously goes, well, 9-11.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of like, I mean, I'm giving her a bit
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  Speaker 1: of an accent. Yeah, she does have, your Kate has
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a southern twang. Yeah, she's got a twang.
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  Speaker 1: Almost like Dolly. She's got a twang. Where Mariah, she
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  Speaker 1: says something to you. Okay, virgins, just for the lore.
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  Speaker 1: The Kate video is a video, it's her in front
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  Speaker 1: of a 9-11 memorial, question mark, or just in front
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  Speaker 1: of a bunch of American flags? American flags on a
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  Speaker 1: golf course, I believe. On a golf course. And she
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  Speaker 1: just goes, 9-11. If you have not seen this video,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why you're listening to this podcast. And
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  Speaker 1: then the Mariah Carey lore is that there is, she
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  Speaker 1: was at a concert. Mariah Carey is famously not extremely
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  Speaker 1: lucid during her concerts. And she's like, as we, as
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  Speaker 1: we experienced when we saw her, as we experienced when
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  Speaker 1: we saw her and as she is, as she deserves
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  Speaker 1: to be. And famously the album glitter released on the
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  Speaker 1: actual nine 11 and it greatly impacted the sales and
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  Speaker 1: commercial success of the, of the album, the Mariah Carey
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  Speaker 1: album glitter. And so in a kind of more recent
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  Speaker 1: concert appearance, I believe she was talking about glitter and
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  Speaker 1: the release of it. And she says, there's a bit,
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  Speaker 1: there's a brief clip of her saying something like, well,
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to talk about 9-11. And then you just
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  Speaker 1: hear this, like, audible, like, the whole crowd is kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, oh. It's like this audible remorse. Hasn't it
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  Speaker 1: been enough time? A day after this episode releases, it
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  Speaker 1: will have been 25 years since 9-11. Move on. I
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  Speaker 1: say about, like, one of the greatest national tragedies this
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  Speaker 1: country's ever had with loss of lives. Wait, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: this reminds me. I was having lunch with a friend
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and we were talking about roleplay scenarios and how he,
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  Speaker 1: I won't say his name because he doesn't listen to
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  Speaker 1: this podcast, is kind of obsessed with watching 9-11 videos
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  Speaker 1: of what happened during that day. What happened? And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, well, what if you and your boyfriend did
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  Speaker 1: a 9-11 roleplay where you're... Is this bad? Is this
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  Speaker 1: should be Patreon only? No, no, no. Keep going. You're
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  Speaker 1: not outing the person. We're not endorsing this. Well, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is it bad that I suggested this? Because
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  Speaker 1: my suggestion was like, okay, so what if... I guess
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  Speaker 1: you did endorse it. So what if like your two
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  Speaker 1: office workers in the Twin Towers that have just been
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  Speaker 1: hit and you realize you only have like 25 minutes
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  Speaker 1: left to live and you have to fuck frantically to
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  Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, have one last go. You
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  Speaker 1: both jump off and you fuck. Yeah. And then my
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  Speaker 1: other suggestion was that you role play as firefighters back
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  Speaker 1: at the station after, you know, they've been out in
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  Speaker 1: the city all day and they have sort of like
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  Speaker 1: life affirming post tragedy sex. I will say that if
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the kind of rate of problematicness of
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  Speaker 1: that proposition, I think I can, we can separate the
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  Speaker 1: art from the artist. Yeah, I think. I think we
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  Speaker 1: can say, just because you are platforming a piece of
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  Speaker 1: art that is this 9-11 fan fiction does not mean
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  Speaker 1: that we endorse it. And much like John Galliano for
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  Speaker 1: the Met Museum... Wait, sorry, this was on the agenda,
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  Speaker 1: but can we actually briefly... a talk about the Galeano
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  Speaker 1: thing just for two minutes. I think it's actually up
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  Speaker 1: our wheelhouse. Yeah, I think it's so craven that they
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  Speaker 1: canceled it. I think it's such a bad decision. And
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  Speaker 1: if you're not aware, the 2027 Met Gala was going
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  Speaker 1: to be a retrospective on John Galeano's career. John Galeano
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  Speaker 1: has a very... you know well recorded um history of
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  Speaker 1: anti-semitic and anti-asian and anti-black remarks and anti-black remarks he
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  Speaker 1: has been canceled rehabilitated canceled blah blah blah and this
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  Speaker 1: um retrospective was going to both you know celebrate his
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  Speaker 1: work and also reckon with his, you know, horrible behavior.
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  Speaker 1: And last week it was announced that this will no
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  Speaker 1: longer be happening. Galliano, you know, tried to make it
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  Speaker 1: sound like he was the one who decided to bow out,
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  Speaker 1: but there has been a lot of coverage about how
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Met donors said they would, you know,
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  Speaker 1: stop funding the Met and that they would not leave
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  Speaker 1: their art to the Met after they died. And so
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  Speaker 1: clearly it was like, okay, curtains for this. If you
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: want a deeper dive into it, I would definitely suggest
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  Speaker 1: listening to the Every Outfit podcast. I really liked their
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  Speaker 1: take on it, which I agree with, which is essentially
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  Speaker 1: the point of museums is to not only showcase art,
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  Speaker 1: but reckon with it in a historical, cultural, sociological context.
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  Speaker 1: And this would have been a good chance to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think John Galliano is a good person, but
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  Speaker 1: he has made a lot of incredible art that does
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  Speaker 1: deserve to be seen up close and in conversation with
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  Speaker 1: the harm that he has perpetrated. Yeah, I think that,
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  Speaker 1: and if you want, honestly, a relatively alternative take that
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: is like a little bit in contrast to the Every
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  Speaker 1: Outfit podcast, even though I will say I'm a bit
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  Speaker 1: more on the Every Outfit side of this controversy, Eating
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  Speaker 1: for Free by podcaster Joan Summers and Matt, I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember his last name. Lawson. Lawson, thank you. Matthew Lawson.
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  Speaker 1: They have a different take on it that I actually,
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  Speaker 1: but they dig into the material in a much deeper way.
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  Speaker 1: They kind of dig into the allegations. They dig into
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: like some of the other stuff. Oh, I need to
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: listen to that. It's really fascinating. And also, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the word on the street is that he has been
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  Speaker 1: anti-Semitic Very recently. Boots, boots, boots, boots. That stuff doesn't
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  Speaker 1: go away. No, it doesn't. And it doesn't just come
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  Speaker 1: out because you're drunk. You can't blame... I know lots
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  Speaker 1: of people that are alcoholics and drug addicts, and they're
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  Speaker 1: not anti-Semites. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a symptom of alcoholism. Drunk words are sober thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But what this does mean ultimately is that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get a really half-assed Met Gala this year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't realize this until every outfit pointed
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  Speaker 1: it out, but this is now the second time that
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Bolton has had to pull a Met Gala exhibition
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  Speaker 1: out of his ass because Because of Galliano. Because the
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  Speaker 1: Galliano exhibit was rejected. And you know, I, I, I
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  Speaker 1: think that there are a few, I think the two
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  Speaker 1: things that I'm thinking about all the time. Okay. Actually
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  Speaker 1: three things, but the first is like, how, what are
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  Speaker 1: the mental gymnastics that the board members and the powers
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  Speaker 1: that be that are saying no to a Galeano exhibit
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  Speaker 1: are like, how do they like absolutely not tolerate that?
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  Speaker 1: And like, three years ago, like, building a fucking, like,
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  Speaker 1: altar for Karl Lagerfeld. Like, Karl Lagerfeld was a, like,
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  Speaker 1: living body fascist. Like, one of the, like, in his
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  Speaker 1: prime and in his, like, so fucking racist, so fucking anti-Islamophobic,
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  Speaker 1: so fucking fatphobic. Like, he, to me, is, like, is
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  Speaker 1: so disgusting and he is, there's no shortage of Truly
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  Speaker 1: disgusting people in fashion that we've built statues of, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think the difference is that Karl Lagerfeld was dead,
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  Speaker 1: so there is a little more grace given to the dead.
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  Speaker 1: He also never had as public as a... As public
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  Speaker 1: and as kind of targeted a cancellation as Galeano. Right,
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  Speaker 1: he just has a lifetime of work being a racist,
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  Speaker 1: being a bigot, and being a catphobe. Where like Galeano
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  Speaker 1: had the decency to do it in private. No, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just kidding. I do also think it's a symptom of
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  Speaker 1: what I would call sort of like the Deborah Messing effect.
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  Speaker 1: Who was allegedly on Fire Island during Doll Invasion. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, I love that. But I think it's because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the donors who allegedly threatened to pull
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  Speaker 1: their money, art donations, whatever, are Jewish. At a very
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  Speaker 1: intense time for Judaism. At a very intense time for
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  Speaker 1: Judaism and a time in which I think... Claims of anti-Semitism,
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  Speaker 1: even though Galliano's anti-Semitism is real, but I do think
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  Speaker 1: that specifically rich, powerful Zionist Jews are more comfortable than
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  Speaker 1: ever using Zionism as a way to- Win an argument.
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  Speaker 1: Using the threat of anti-Semitism or anti-Semitic behavior as a
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  Speaker 1: way to get what they want. As a way to
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  Speaker 1: make themselves feel oppressed. And the Eating for Free And
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  Speaker 1: I say that as someone who's Jewish. So yes. And I,
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  Speaker 1: I also say that as someone who is Jewish by ancestry, um, I, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the eating for free podcast dug into that a bit more,
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: but it, yeah, it is just a very interesting thing
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  Speaker 1: because obviously spikes in sociocultural antisemitism are real, but they're
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  Speaker 1: a consequence of Zionism conflating the, Jewish culture with Israel,
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  Speaker 1: which is like not anyways, um, all that to say, uh, I,
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  Speaker 1: that my biggest thing, I immediately thought about Karl Lagerfeld.
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  Speaker 1: I immediately thought about all the exceptions that have been
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  Speaker 1: made before Galeano. And I, yes, I'm a fan of
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  Speaker 1: Galeano's work, but like, um, is he the hill? Is he,
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  Speaker 1: I just like, I, I, I can't understand what got
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  Speaker 1: them to, after a month of belabored, you know, um
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  Speaker 1: anticipation of this exhibit to actually reverse it and for
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  Speaker 1: to essentially cancel galliano again it's just an extreme in
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  Speaker 1: a way that i find to be disturbing because when
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  Speaker 1: i think about art it's so anti-intellectual it's so anti-art
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  Speaker 1: yeah it's anti-art and i'm like look i'm like love
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  Speaker 1: to cancel a bitch like i like it's so satisfying
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  Speaker 1: and so satiating sure but like is it No, it's regression.
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  Speaker 1: And it is, I think, more than anything, to me,
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  Speaker 1: at least, another sign of the increasingly surveillance and censorship
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  Speaker 1: culture that we live under. And, like, I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: fashion historian. I would love to hear from a fashion historian, Gurley, on, like,
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  Speaker 1: where does Galliano actually rank in terms of, like, designers
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  Speaker 1: we should build statues and exhibitions around? Because, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Alexander McQueen and also, like, Galliano, I think the exhibitions
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  Speaker 1: and almost exhibitions that were mounted in them are a
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  Speaker 1: product of Anna Wintourian favoritism. Yeah, well, she famously nurtured
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  Speaker 1: Galeano through the beginning of his career. And she always,
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  Speaker 1: whenever someone asks her what her favorite collection is, she
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  Speaker 1: always says Galeano's, I think it's 92, the all-black collection,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. I definitely don't think we should
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  Speaker 1: be building statues of him, but his You Cannot Deny
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  Speaker 1: How important and influential and, sorry, fucking sickening his work is. And,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: you know, this is like a little bit hypocritical of
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  Speaker 1: me because I also wanted to mention in this episode
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  Speaker 1: that we, despite what Fran has said, will not be
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  Speaker 1: covering the new HBO Harry Potter show. Right, but that's different.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a different platform. We're just transsexual podcasters. We're
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  Speaker 1: not one of the oldest cultural institutions in this country
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  Speaker 1: who are deciding what art should be shown rather than
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: letting people decide what to engage with themselves. Well, there's
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  Speaker 1: also a very, very, very big difference between deplatforming and disenfranchising...
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  Speaker 1: artists and cultural figures that are, that have done bad things,
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  Speaker 1: but have shown contrition over a long period of time
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  Speaker 1: and are no longer actively publicly contributing to violence or
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  Speaker 1: hate versus JK Rowling, who is extremely actively funding and
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: creating architecture for anti-trans violence. Like that's, those are two
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  Speaker 1: completely different things. Right. And I think that is like why,
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  Speaker 1: There's been a complete lack of, I don't know, thought
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  Speaker 1: put into the why. It's all anger. It's also really
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  Speaker 1: funny to me that my former boss, Anna Wintour, was
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  Speaker 1: dealing with Galeano Gate the same weekend that I was
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: dealing with Piss Gate over at Doll Invasion. Oh my god,
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: are we allowed to talk about Piss Gate on the podcast?
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I can only speak about it journalistically, which we could
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: if we wanted to. Well, I do think we should
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: do a little Doll Invasion debrief. Doll debrief. Before we
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: get into Gay 9-11, we're a lot of preamble here.
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  Speaker 1: This is really fun. Yeah. Doll Invasion was so much
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  Speaker 1: fucking fun. Every year is the best year. This was,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: you know, it just keeps getting better. I had so
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: much fun. It seemed like you were able to have
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: so much fun. I was, I got to enjoy multiple sets.
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  Speaker 1: I got to enjoy almost every show. I felt like
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: I pretty much got to relax after like 6.15 every
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: day when the opening ceremony was over. Like I, and I, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job at roaming around. I
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  Speaker 1: think that I'm still bummed about little moments that I
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: miss here or there, little sets that I miss here
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  Speaker 1: or there. However, like if I'm going to think about
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: some of my highlights, one of my highlights was kind
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: of group chatting and galvanizing all my girls to like
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  Speaker 1: run to your closing pool set and to be your
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: booth bunny while you played a faggot remix of Ewan McGregor's,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: your song from the movie Moulin Rouge. Yeah, that was major.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I also, I felt like the most sort of like,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: communal and cathartic moment of that set was probably Midnight Sun.
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  Speaker 1: That was great. It did feel like I knew I
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to play that towards the end of it because,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: you know, summer isn't over yet. Yeah, summer is not
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: over yet, baby. We also both looked so good all weekend.
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  Speaker 1: So good. I can't wait to see Justin's photo booth photos. Okay,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Justin was like he said there was a
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  Speaker 1: contest between who was the most photogenic, and the metric
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: was who had the most selects, and the winner of
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: the most selects was Rio Sofia. That doesn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me, but the runner-up was Rose Damio. What? Yes!
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  Speaker 1: Rose had the second most selects out of any subject
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  Speaker 1: that Justin shot, and I believe he shot 40 or Yeah,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I really, I like was really in my bag during,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, usually like I feel much more awkward
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: in front of the camera, but I was, I also
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  Speaker 1: think it's a testament to what Justin and Laurel did
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  Speaker 1: in really dynamically using the space that we were in.
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  Speaker 1: And also it was so amazing this year that glam
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and the photo booth were in the same space and
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you could go directly from glam to photos. It just
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: not having to worry about my makeup or like doing touch-ups.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: It was incredible. It was sublime. It was really, really
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  Speaker 1: fucking cool. I feel like there were so many different
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: pieces of our programming and the site map and what
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: we wanted to do with the space. that I wasn't
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: really sure we were going to get. And to be honest,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: our venue partner said, yes, over in Oregon. And I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: thought that was really fucking cool. So to take over
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the inside of the pavilion with a photo booth and makeup,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: it was really, really awesome. And that, I think, really
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  Speaker 1: is what set this year apart from me more than
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  Speaker 1: any other year, was that more than ever, it truly
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  Speaker 1: felt like an invasion. Being on the dock and seeing...
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  Speaker 1: every space full of dolls, like dolls sitting at the canteen,
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  Speaker 1: eating chicken tenders, dolls upstairs of the pavilion, dolls at
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the visitor center. Like it was just everywhere. And having
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the doll check-in, you and Ita and Rio and me
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: at one point with megaphones, you know, welcoming everyone to
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Transsexual Island. The island looked different in a way that
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I think it, It has in years past, but it's
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: different because in years past, the parties have been at
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: houses that are further removed from that central hub of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the Pines. And this year, there was no escaping the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: fact that the Dahls were invading. Yeah. I mean, like there's,
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  Speaker 1: I said this before, there's obviously precedent for different kinds
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of organizations like BAFA or that are like diversifying the
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  Speaker 1: island and implanting programming in the island that does shift
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the demographic for a day or two. But like I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: was on Fire Island on Juneteenth this weekend and like
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I was told that that's like one of the days
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: the island really changes and I did not really see that.
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  Speaker 1: Like it just feels, felt so white still. And so
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: for Doll Invasion to not just be so, so, so transgender,
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  Speaker 1: but also like, very black, very brown, very like, very
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: kind of like, um, unvarnished there, there was, there's no,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: there's the thing about fire Island culture is like, it's
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: average Island goers and the powers that be are very
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: focused on property property is the only thing that really
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: matters and so there's this kind of like pomp and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: circumstance that comes with being on the island that's just
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: very polite very boring very middle of the road and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: doll invasion is so untethered It is such a punk entity.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: We try to be so punk. It felt really punk
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and it felt trashy in the best way. Yes. There's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: a reason that we don't spend tons of money on
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a huge build, on a concert setup, on exquisite lighting design.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Even though, yes, in years to come, we would love
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: for it to look better and better. we there's to us,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: like there's no use in creating like perfect brand synchronicity
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: across all of our different quote unquote activations. Like it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: just not how we do things because we like it
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to look like it in some ways, no frills. We
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: want it to look like stunty. We want it to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: look like a world that's built, but it should still
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: look human made. Well, the stunts are like targeted and effective,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you know, having, having the, um, the promote transsexuality sign
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: at the Sayville Ferry. Before you even get on the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: boat to go to the island, that world is already
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: being built. That is so much, I think, more effective
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: than doing a ton of production in a DJ booth
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: or something. It was creating a narrative and a journey.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It was almost like a transsexual odyssey. The odyshee. The odyshee!
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And for those, okay, that haven't been on the internet,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: we are going to summarize and not editorialize Pissgate. I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: think you should take this because you know what can
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: be said and what cannot. And I am only doing
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: this because, you know, I have spoken to both parties
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: involved in this circumstance and I have also received a
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: lot of inquiry. I even got a journalist in my
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: emails asking for comment on Oh my God. Was it funny?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Was it fucking? That's not us. No, no. Was it
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Ronan Farrow? Yeah. Oh, I wish. If it was, let
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: me tell you, if I wasn't a part of doll
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: invasion and I was working at them to us, I'd
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: be like, I'm on the case. James Factora, get over
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: there now. Yeah. But okay. Piss gate. So on Friday,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Charlene incarnate and Tyler Ashley mounted their renowned show, baby tea,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: which has had residencies in Brooklyn residencies, It currently has
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a residency in P-Town. It is a marathon of a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: show wherein these two drag artists get progressively inebriated and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: kind of do one number after another number after another
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: number after another number. With lots of mic chatter. Intermittently
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: yelling at each other on the mic. It's like my
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: favorite show, to be honest. It's so funny. And it's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: very in the style of Tyler and Char, which is punk,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to be honest. Um, to, for, for, for, to put
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it in a concise and, and, um, uh, sweeping way. Um,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and I was not present for this moment. Were you here?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Were you there when this happened? No, I have a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: limited number of eyewitnesses on this moment. None of, none
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of my production heads saw it. Um, it's only been
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: described to me and to others, but there's a moment
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: where Char is standing on, um, a platform over the,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that's like over the pool. And she pissed into a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: one Willie Norris doll juice cup. Her and Tyler are
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: naked for a lot of the show. She pisses into
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a cup. And there is, you know, a little kind
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of maybe T-boy, maybe non-binary person that swims up. Tranimal vibes.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: A little tranimal that swims up to Charre. And as
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Char describes it, open their mouth up like a baby bird.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And Char, you know... Mama, mama, pee-pee. And Char, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: acquiesced the request and poured the piss into the baby
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: bird's mouth and did not really have great aim. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of the piss went into the pool. And
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: then also the person who drank the piss spat the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: piss into the pool as well and began making out
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: with somebody. This became a huge issue on a health
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: code standard that I can't even properly summarize at this time.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And obviously Trist was mad about the health code element
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of this. They had to empty the pool and clean
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it or something like that. Which, honestly, they should be
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: doing anyway, considering what happens in that pool on a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: daily basis. Well, Tyler Ashley had a quite, I'll say
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a riveting recap of the entire scenario and just kind
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of posits like, yes, do you not shock the pee-pee
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: poo-poo piss pool every day? But all that to say,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Tris ended up banning Charlene for the weekend. And a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: decision that I told them I opposed, I had to,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we had to tell Char. But what has, I honestly,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: when this all happened, you know, I won't speak for Char,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: but it didn't really feel like it was like a
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: huge deal for any parties. But because of all the
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: chatter around it, Char and Tyler did end up making
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: public statements about it, which then turned it into a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: kind of mythology that Terry Warren herself would be jealous of. Like,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this is the new drag invasion. Piss invasion. This is
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: piss invasion. It has become an actual movement in a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: way that is like kind of funny. I'm not going
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to lie. Yeah, because the last thing you want to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: do with someone like Charlene is give her something to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: carry about like this. Yeah, it's like, it is like a, yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it's kind of that. It's also, you know, if you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: really analyze it, it's kind of the baby bird's fault
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: because the baby bird should have just swallowed the piss. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And then maybe we wouldn't have been in any of this.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: What a horrible piss bottom. Like, if you can't swallow
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the piss, get out of the pool. You should have
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: just swallowed the piss. But yeah, anyways, Mother was dealing
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: with Galeano Gay. I was dealing with Piss Gay. I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: was trying to be a good PR girl and, you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: liaise information between two sides of this controversy that Dolanvation is,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the background of. And I was, you know, doing...
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: questionable things in the DJ booth, but that's for the Patreon. Yes,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that is for the Patreon. Anyways. Is it time to
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: discuss our fallen divas? Gay 9-11, yes. Gay 9-11. If
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: somehow you maybe have been in outer space or the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean for the past two weeks, you
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: may not know that we lost two pillars of homosexuality
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and transsexuality. We lost Dolly Parton, who passed away after
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a brief battle with cancer at 80, and Tim Curry,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: who also passed from... What? I'm not sure. Maybe also
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: ill health of some kind. Complications after a stroke. I mean,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he had a stroke a couple years ago. Yeah, I
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: believe he also was 80 years old, I think. Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And not to mention, okay, just to say it, we
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: did also... Lou's famed racist Instagram backdrop designer, Yayoi Kusama.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Rest in Charlene's piss. Sorry. I'm sure that her estate
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is going to have a field day reaching what is
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Keith Haring levels of soulless licensing. Oh my God. We're
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: going to see Yayoi Kusama yogurt. Ruggable rugs. Yayoi Kusama
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner bags. Yayoi Kusama cold brew. Anyways, didn't mean
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to interrupt. Yes. So divas were down across the world.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I was on a call, on a Zoom work call
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that I wasn't paying attention to. saw on Twitter that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton had died, immediately went into my agency Slack
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and said, I'm so sorry to tell everyone this, Dolly
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Parton is dead. And I, you know, as someone who
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: dealt with a really big personal loss this summer, I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: was both shocked and not really surprised by the actual
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like physical, tangible grief I felt about, Over the passing
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of this larger than life woman who I didn't know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: but did meet and interview twice. Right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Twice. Twice.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Hadn't, Dolly Parton is, I think a, well, both of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: these people for, I think both of us were, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: foundational architects of our, sense of selves, our taste in art, music, fashion, film,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: whatever else Charlie's album was about. People who contributed so
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: much to the world, who literally changed the world for
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: us personally and on a grand scale. Dolly Parton is
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we have a COVID vaccine.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Tim Curtin, Tim Curtin, Tim Curry, Tim Curry trans so
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: many people. Yeah. It's that cannot be overstated. It's a,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and it was kind of cathartic to be on the internet,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: specifically the day Dolly Parton died and, and to see,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to feel like we were mourning the, together as a world.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And I think specifically as a country. The day Dolly
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Parton died was maybe the most American I've ever felt.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: She really did make us... She was the embodiment of
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: all things good in America. The promise. The true promise
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of America. Not the reality, obviously. The American dream is
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a bit of a scam, a lie. And just to
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: see every... Every video, every tweet, every interview clip was
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: just so... This is a woman whose legend was true.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: She was as kind and generous and talented and funny
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and sexy. Brilliant, untouchable. As the mythology of her is.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: She was real as fuck. she's had like so few
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: controversies to the extent that like, I mean, there is a, um,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: a metric system, um, that the Q score, the Q score.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I talk about it all the time about it. It
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: is like, uh, um, a metric system that takes in
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: like marketing and entertainment industries, like, uh, um, ways of
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: like measuring familiarity and like mass appeal, uh, When it
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: comes to like celebrities and brands and Dolly Parton is
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: famously always the number two most beloved celebrity in America
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: next to like Adele. And anything like Tom Hanks. Did
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you know that Dollywood, Dolly Parton's theme park was also
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: last year voted the number one theme park in the world?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I did not know that. But it makes sense because
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of the Q score. And also, it's a really good
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: theme park. I've never been. Who's been there. And I
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: think we should go. Going in the immediate aftermath of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: her passing, especially what if we went on Dolly Day?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Because apparently September 25th is going to be like Dolly
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Memorial Day or something like that. That's coming up. Let's
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: book the tickets. Can you imagine what it must have
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: been like for the people at Dollywood the day that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton died? Like, did they make an announcement? Did everyone,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: did they shut the park down? I literally. Literally would
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: love to know. There should be like a report on that, honestly.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Or like a documentary. I'm also realizing that Dolly Parton
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Day is like a Manhattan specific thing. So I guess
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it would make, I don't know what Dolly Parton, what
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Dollywood is doing. We need a federal holiday. We need
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: a federal holiday. And I want her on money. She
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: should be on money. Well, everyone, okay, mind you, remember, sorry,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: there's so many different things I want to say about
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton. and also virgins, we will be doing a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: deep dive episode on Dolly Parton and Tim Curry, wherein
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: we actually do some research prior and talk about the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: different parts of their like lore and bodies of work.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But right now you're getting the off the cuff, off
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the top of our head reactions to Dolly and Tim.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot about how there was a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Confederate statue that was like, a lot of people were
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: trying to, get torn down in an online petition in 2020.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: It was a Confederate statue in Tennessee of, I believe,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a Ku Klux Klan leader. Mind you, obviously 2020, a
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: deeply political time where a lot of statues were being
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: asked to be torn down or being protested. And eventually
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: there were calls to replace the statue with Dolly Parton.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: which I think is funny. There should be a statue
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of her in every American city. There should. But she
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: did decline that specific offer in 2020 to have a
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: statue erected in her honor. There was eventually a Dolly
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Parton statue erected in Tennessee, I believe at a separate location. Oh, no, no, sorry.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: This is a statue from 2009. Anyways, I want to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: go to Dollywood. I would really love to go. But
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I think that the, when to your, on your analysis
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: of like Dolly Parton in the American dream, I think
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that if you could say that perhaps Dolly Parton's maybe
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: ugliest quality was that she was relatively apolitical. She was
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: deeply anti-politics. She did not endure. She did not like
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: never endorsed any, she didn't endorse Kamala, right? No, she
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: would never. I mean, um, did she endorse Joe Biden?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I feel like she, no, she, she literally never endorsed anyone.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Any president. Yeah. I was like calling. I was like, okay, no, no. Okay.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I was just making sure because I remember that there
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: was a lot of hangups around the fact that she
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: wouldn't really denounce Trump. I think she did release a
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: statement talking about what she stands for and how that
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: is in opposition to Trump. So she did throw her
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: weight behind something. Occasionally, But something that you need to
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: understand is that Dolly Parton, and I think if you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: think about the film 9 to 5 and the movie
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: 9 to 5, really amplifies the apolitical nature of socialism,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the apolitical nature of what it means to stand behind
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the working class. Comrade Dolly. Because the working class is.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Is a body of people that spans politics. There's lots
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of Republicans that are members of the working class that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: still deserve their right to work, their right to a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: living wage, their right to not be second-class citizens. And
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Dolly rallying behind causes that reach all people as opposed
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to causes that specifically make Democrats happy, I think is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: something that is unique to her, complex, of course. Anybody
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: can complexify that for me. but I think really fucking radical.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Dolly also, she put her money where her mouth was
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: because it's one thing to speak out and make your
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: position known and use your influence. But Dolly, I mean,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: look at what she did with Dollywood. I actually just
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: watched a really good series Lindsay Ellis did kind of
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: coincidentally on Dolly that dropped just before her death And
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: she did a video about Dollywood, which was a pre-existing
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: theme park that Dolly wanted to create a theme park
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in her hometown. And instead of creating one that would
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: compete with an existing theme park and run them out
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of business, she decided to partner with them so that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: everyone could be successful and make money. And Dollywood went
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: on to completely revitalize the economy and create an economy
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that in her hometown that exists today. Dollywood employs more
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: than 4,000 people in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. She created a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: whole economy. Dolly was a working class hero.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And she also for 30 years has run a literacy
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: program called the Imagination Library that has donated hundreds, wait,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: What is it? Hundreds of millions. Over 300 million books. Yes.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: To children worldwide because her siblings and her cousins and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: her family growing up were not literate. And that was
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a cause that was so dear to her heart. It's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: something that causes that people don't think about, causes that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: people don't consider because they're not thinking about people in
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: these parts of the country. Her ability to actually humanize
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: a um a demographic that is often associated with republicans
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: often associated with conservatism and with hatred and to say
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: like these people are my people are my people deserve
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: rights to their members of the working class they've been
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: they've been shoved to the margins in a completely different
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: way i think it's really sickening um and i i
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: think that her you know we when um Dolly donated like,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: you know, a million or more to the COVID vaccine.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that to me was just exactly in line with who
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: she is. She is throwing her weight into an apolitical cause,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a cause that affects and impacts everyone. And it literally
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: happened because she's friends with her dentist, Dr. Najee Abumrad,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: who treated her after a car accident in 2013. And hilariously, Dr.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Abumrad is the father of Jada Abumrad, who is the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: MacArthur Genius Grant winning radio journalist behind Radiolab at WNYC,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: which is what then inspired the greatest audio series I've
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: ever listened to in my entire life. Dolly Parton's America.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: So incredible. The best archiving and analysis of Dolly Parton's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: work and standing in the culture. If you have not
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: listened to it and you've never listened to, if you're
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: not that familiar with Dolly Parton or you want to
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: start somewhere, it's a nine-part series. It's the perfect, perfect
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: place to start. It's so well-researched. Dolly Parton appears on it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: The interviews are good. It's really fascinating. And really emotional. Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Really personal stories. It's very like, it's not just journalism.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's like essays. It's like, this is why
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: these songs are gay. This is why she's maybe a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: feminist and maybe not a feminist. Like it really goes
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: there beyond the history. It was crazy. Both, you know, Dolly,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: it truly felt like everyone in my life had some
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: kind of personal relationship to her, you know, like more
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: so than just like, oh, I like her music. it
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: felt like everyone I knew felt connected to her in
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: some way. And Tim Curry as well. And whether it
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: was through her music, her films, his films, her, you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: her philanthropy, his sort of cuntiness, you know, these were
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: two figures who had all, always existed in my life.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: And it is just so strange to be in a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: world without them. Before we chat a bit about Tim Curry,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I want to know, like, what are your favorite Dolly songs?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: My number one is My Tennessee Mountain Home. It's, you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: such a, like, folksy Appalachian song. And at Dollywood, there
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: is a recreation of Dolly's childhood home that you can visit.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And so I just like every time I listen to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that song, I see that in my mind and think
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: about her roots and where she came from. And I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: just find it really fascinating. I also really love Islands
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: in the Stream, 9 to 5, obviously. Love is like
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: a butterfly. Dolly is, you know, it's a very beautiful song.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Butterflies were, you know, Dolly's favorite animal and kind of
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: one of her emblems. They were also my grandma's favorite animal.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So like that is really meaningful to me. In fact,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: on Fire Island where lots of butterflies congregate, one day
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I was walking back to one of the staff houses
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: from the party and I was taking a selfie and
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: thinking about my grandma and a butterfly landed on me
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: mid selfie. It was just, and I immediately started crying.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: What are some of your favorite Dolly songs? Um, I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: love Love is Like a Butterfly. I also obviously love
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: 9 to 5. I think 9 to 5 is probably
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: in my top three. The first song that came to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: mind was also Tennessee Mountain Home. I love, love, love, love,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: love that song. I love all of her songs that
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: have a.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I love any sort of, like, yodeling song. Like, I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: love Mule Skinner Blues. And I think that there's a
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: kind of... you know, decades later successor to Mule Skinner
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Blues called I'm Gone that Dolly does on a more
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: recent album that I think is really incredible. I think
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that Light of a Clear Blue Morning. Such a beautiful song.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I think that song and maybe like Here You Come
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Again kind of have the same kind of Tennessee mountain
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: home like hope. There's like such an optimism to Dolly's
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: later work. which, you know, if you listen to Radiolab,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you learn a lot about how her first, like, you know, five,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: 10 years of songwriting were like deeply sad, deeply suicidal music,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: like really, really tragic archiving of stories that were hers
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and others in the lineage of bluegrass music and music
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: of her, of the mountains. Um, but yeah, I love
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the optimism of where, what she's known for of what
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: her music is known for now. And I think that
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: it's a wrong, but it's all right. Comes to mind, baby.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I'm burning comes to mind. Um, yeah, I, I love
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: two doors down. Yeah. I've been updating my Dolly Parton, um,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: playlist for sure it's there's a good there's a good
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: uh rolling stone playlist i've been listening to which is
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: dolly parton's 50 greatest songs and i think it's like
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it's oh pretty good it's like not like a greatest
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: hits it's very much like from a you know a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: True musical perspective. Oh, I'm going to find that now. Dolly,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: we will always love you. And we will be doing
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: a much more extensive deep dive on Dolly on Patreon.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Not because we want to, you know, pay well our
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: thoughts about her, but because we want to do, you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: something that is deeply researched and considered. And we want
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time on it, honestly. More
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: than an hour on both of these titans. Yes, so
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: moving on to Tim Curry, it's kind of crazy how
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: meaningful he was to me in ways that I didn't
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: even really understand. I said this when he died, but
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: seeing him in Rocky Horror, which I saw at such
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a young age, I think I was 11, it was
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the first time I... understood what gender deviance was, you know? Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: And not only that it existed, but that it was
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: hot as fuck. Yeah. He was always giving sex. Like,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: not just in Rocky Horror, but like, honestly, in Legend,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: which we just watched last night, when he played Satan,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: he's giving sex. He's giving sex in Annie as Rooster.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: He's giving sex as the goop monster in Fern Gulley. Texas.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: He has a kind of, I'm just Googling Tim Curry roles.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Mind you, again, we're doing the deep research version of
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: this behind a Patreon wall. This is our kind of-
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Even as Pennywise, I thought he was kind of- Okay.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: All right. I can make a case. That's just a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: you thing. I can make a case. But yeah, he
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: had the, there's a, it's honestly intrinsic in his closeted homosexuality,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: but like the, there's a va-va-voom that he brought to
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: every role, every voice acting work that was a little sexy, temptress.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I want to, I don't want to say sassy. I
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: think that's not complex enough a word. Mischievous. He was,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: he was very much a trickster archetype. You know, he,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: he was also like, I mean, it's very appropriate that
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: he played Pennywise and it like he was a jest.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: He was a jester. He was a, a clown in
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: sort of, I think this in like almost like the
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Comedia del Arte kind of legacy, you know, like this,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: this archetypical sexual mischievous trickster who fell on some weird
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: gender space where he was like, seemed to be very
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: in touch with his femininity, but also incredibly masculine and,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: That's it. It's the feminine. It's the divine. It's access
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to the divine feminine. Access to a divine feminine in
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: a way that did not inhinge on his masculinity, but
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: actually only enhanced it. Yes. And in the 70s and 80s,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: no less. I mean, I know that was like boom
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: of like sexual liberation, etc. Well, he kind of famously
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: in his memoir, the only thing he's ever said about
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: his sexuality was it was the 70s. Right. Right. Right. And,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you know, he deserves to be as closeted as he wants,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, and we'll respect that. It was
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: a glass closet. It was a glass closet. That's the thing.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: He was Anderson Cooper-ing and like we respect him by
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: saying that's a fag, Mary. But, okay, what can we
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: say about, I don't think we need to spend too
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: much time on it, but like we just watched Legend
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: last night. So let's tell the virgins what that's all about.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: really kind of cuckoo movie. Yeah, I hadn't seen it
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: in a while, and I suggested it for our movie
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: night last night. Cause it felt like a good group watch.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And I do think it was because it's, it's, it's
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: so talkable over. It's unfortunate that we're on a weed
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: cleanse right now, but it would have been great. Hi.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It is no plot, just vibes. One of the most
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: beautiful movies I've ever seen in quarantine. incredible practical effects
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: shot entirely on a soundstage they must have used like
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: a metric ton of glitter the amount of glitter in
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the air on people's faces glitter tears glitter in.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: The food glitter in the snow oh my god you
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: know and girl it was the 80s so you know
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: they did not have biodegradable glitter back then so like
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: that glitter was salted to the salt to the motherfucking
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: earth of Wherever they were, like, it was so not right.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I think I joked last night that they
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: probably had to burn the studio down after shooting only
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: to discover... Is it shot in New Zealand or something? No,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: only to discover that in 1984, with 10 days left
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: of filming on the soundstage, the entire set burned down
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: during a lunch break. What? According to Wikipedia, reportedly flames
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: from the set fire leapt more than 100 feet into
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the air and the clouds of smoke could be seen
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: five miles away. It occurred during lunchtime and no one
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: was hurt. Ridley Scott, the director, quickly made changes to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the shooting schedule and only lost three days moving to
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: another soundstage. What? So I guess those clouds of smoke
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: were probably very sparkly. Come on, practical effects. Okay. Okay.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: That was my favorite thing, actually, about watching Legend, even
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: though it literally had no plot. It was a beautiful,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: beautiful fucking film to watch. If you are a fan
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: of practical effects, if you're a fan of. Any sort of...
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: If you're a fan of Tom Cruise's thighs. Oh my God. Wait,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: we'll get to the Tom Cruise. But if you're a
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: fan of any sort of puppets, it's a very... Jim
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Henson vibes. Amazing puppetry and special effects makeup. Very dark
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: crystal vibes. I felt like... And also it all takes
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: place in like a mystical forest filled with like glitter
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: and debris. I felt like at any moment, at any moment, Rose,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: you would hear.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Alessandro Michel. Like, it felt like just this beautiful, like,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Alessandro-era Gucci ad. Especially with the brows. The brows of
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the characters. It's very much a fever dream of a film.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It's funny that there's, like, no plot because, you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: based on the research I did, the initial script that
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Ridley Scott worked on with William Shortsburg was actually... very
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: kind of overstuffed with narrative and they decided to like
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: cut it all out and make it basically just vibes.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Love that. And I think that Tom Cruise has since
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: then complained about that. He, he, I mean, he was
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: only like two years into his career. Okay. This is
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: like a ride around risky business. But Tom Cruise, who
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: is five, seven, by the way, complained about not being
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: involved in the development. I was like, girl, you were 22. Like,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. But he is so beautiful in
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: this fucking movie. He's like the platonic ideal of a
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: twink in this film. Well, okay. Actually, I think he's
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: a little more complex. He is the perfect twink. And
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: yet he has these Neanderthal eyebrows. And he has his
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: pre-transition teeth. Yeah, his original kind of busted teeth. He
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: looks like a gopher. But it's so charming. In a
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: hot way. It's so hot. His teeth look amazing. His
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: brows look amazing. And he's so innocent and earnest. And
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: he keeps squatting down in his little chainmail dress with
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: his meaty ass thighs touching the ground. And can I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: also say, not good acting. No, kind of from anyone
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: except Tim Curry. Tim Curry was perfect. Well, and also
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: the look. is so iconic he's in this incredible uh
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you know prosthetic devil look which took five and a
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: half hours to apply he had to uh take an
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: hour-long bath every day to melt the spirit gum off
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and apparently one day he was so claustrophobic that he
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: just ripped it off and damaged his skin and then
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: ridley scott had to shoot around him for like a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: week oh my god that is a Jim Carrey in
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: the Grinch levels of body horror via prosthetics. I also
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: thought it was very interesting. I saw that there was
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: apparently an alternate ending in which the two main characters, Lily,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: who's played by Mia Sara, who you might know as
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Sloane in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. In the alternate ending,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I guess... jack who's tom cruise's character tries to make
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: her believe that everything that happened was a dream and
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: even though they confess their love for each other they
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: break up and um go their separate ways never to
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: be never to be seen again kind of like uh
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: oh you know this was a a love that lasted
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: only a season not a lifetime i prefer that ending
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: honestly i do too i think that's more complex i
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: like that um I want to say also on the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: practical effects of it all that last night when we
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: were watching it, we kept complaining about Marvel movies and
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: how Marvel wishes they could look like this. You know
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Because any contemporary movies that overuse CGI,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: they're dated by the time they come to streaming. Yes.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: If you, in the year 2026... released a film that
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: looked like this, that looked like puppets, like real goo.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Like that's the thing is like villains are not covered
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: in goo the way they used to be. Not like,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: not like Meg, the swamp monster, Meg, the swamp lady,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the lady, the swamp trans icon who had, but, uh, uh,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: had about 40 seconds of screen time. Well, there, there's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: something too soon. There's something about the, the practical effects and, and,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and soundstage sets where they create this hyper reality that
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: is so artificial. It looks, it like holds up as real. It,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: it like outlasts its artificiality. It is like, it's, it's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: gone so far into this hyper realism and almost surrealism
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that it becomes, like truer than anything a computer could
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: create that's why the Odyssey was so good you know
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I know that nobody has Odyssey budgets but like what
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: as in Hollywood what would it I have no idea
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: like what it would look like for us to like
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: reinvest in a kind of artistry that clearly everyone loves
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: respects and misses in the face of like really nasty
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: soulless AI and CGI and It's one of the things
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: that frustrated me about Camp Miasma because you had the
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: hand-painted sets on one hand and then all the CGI gore. Yeah.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: And I don't know the economics of practical effects and
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: all that. I would love for somebody to explain it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: They're so much more expensive. That's the thing. It made
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: me think a bit, Rose. I wonder if you have
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: anything to say about this. It made me think a
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: lot about Netflix's 2019 reboot of The Dark Crystal. This
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: is like back when Netflix had, sorry, I'll say it,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: much more monopoly money. They were like burning cash in
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: pyres and they were doing truly anything that creatively excited them.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: And something that they did that was really fucking cool
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: was like invest in Jim Henson level puppetry and stop motion,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: question mark, was it? Is it so much, but just invest. No,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's just, I think no, because it's just puppets.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Dark crystal is just a mix of live action and puppetry. So,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: but like reinvested in puppetry and in the practical effects
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: of this era of fantasy at a time that no
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: one's really making movies that look like that anymore. And
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I understand that from, from what I understand, it was
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: a flop. No one watched it. But I also know
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: that like, it's this, beautiful artistry that like people really
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: like crave and miss. We as a culture yearn for
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: things that look like we can actually touch them. Yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: And it's like, now I want to watch this. Honestly,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I never watched it. Um, I watched, I think the
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: first episode and nothing else. Hmm. Yeah. I think I'm like, I,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I think I really, I would really be interested if,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: if marketed properly, like what would like a film look
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: like that look like again? Um, I have a question
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: for the virgins. Obviously, Rose and I are going to
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: have an easy time watching through most of Dolly Parton's
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: film appearances. It's a shorter list. Tim Curry has a
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: very long, long prolific list of voice acting. I think
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: we can talk about the easy things like Rocky Horror
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and like home alone 2 and like it which i've
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: actually never seen oh girl i know i want to
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: watch it i'm excited the it series um but i
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: want to know virgins what is your quintessential tim curry
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: media like is it wild thornberrys Is it some random
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: cartoon we've never heard of? Is it The Worst Witch,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: where he plays the, like, Grand High Wizard and flies
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: over a bunch of people? Is it the Titanic miniseries
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with the Kate Winslet-Lita Caprio
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Titanic starring Catherine Zeta-Jones, I think? I can't remember. Just
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: drop in the comments. Tell us what it is. Tell
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: us what your, I think we want to know, like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: what's your favorite Dolly Parton song? What's your favorite Tim
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Curry performance? What did, what did these people mean to you?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: And then we'll dig into it. And then we will
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: dig into it on the Patreon. Um, what is, I mean,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: should we, is that a good place to wrap it
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: up for today? I think it is. Um, I think
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: that the virgins should know that, um, oh, we do
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: have an announcement about Harry Potter. Oh yes. Well, I mean, as, as,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: as we said earlier, we, we will not be covering
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: the series even in a, you know, trolly way. It's just,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it's not, not happening. Yeah. I had previously kind of, um, um,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: floated the idea several times, unfortunately, um, Because I do
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: like making fun of things I hate. However, as a podcast,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: we've decided to not give it one single breath of air.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: So we're not going to talk about it. We're divesting
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: from the Harry Potter industrial complex. We are. We are
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: divesting from the Harry Potter industrial complex. We're not even
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: going to talk about the trailers anymore. We will talk
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: about controversy. I think we'll talk about like trans related
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: news surrounding Harry Potter and but you're not going to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: catch us talking about the cultural object of this new series. No,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and also the trailer looks like shit, so why would
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: we even say about it anyway? What is there to say?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: But some upcoming things we will be talking about. We
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: are officially going to Orlando for Halloween Horror Nights, so
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: look forward to that. We'll definitely be doing lots of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: spooky content around Halloween. I've got some new dolls I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: want to talk about. I also, in addition to my
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: X-Men comics journey I'm on now, I just rewatched every
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Batman movie. And I'm starting to get back into the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: 90s Batman animated series. And I want to do some
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: comic reading as well. I wonder if it's giving Patreon.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I think we should do a Batman deep dive. I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: could absolutely do a whole Batman episode. There's so much
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: to say. Will you send me some syllabus on that?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I will. So I asked my– kind of the way
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: that this happened is I got really into the super
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: bat ship, which is people who ship Superman and Batman,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: and started reading a bunch of fanfic. And so I
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: asked my good friend Princess Weeks, who's a very prolific YouTuber,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: go check her out. And she's a really big DC head.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: and I told her based on my interest in Batman
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and Superman's relationship, I asked her for a syllabus of Batman,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Superman media across different types of, um, what's the word
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for? Uh, just mediums, mediums, mediums. So she
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: recommended a bunch of comic arcs, uh, episodes of animated
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: series animated movies I heard Lego Batman is pretty good
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: have I seen Lego Batman I heard the Lego Batman
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: movie is pretty good I might have watched it like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: with a child in my life. And we, and as
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: a podcast, we've talked about Harley Quinn before, which is
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: like one of our favorite Batman media. Although it did.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: So it did wane in. So look out for, for
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: a Batman episode. In addition to our gay nine 11
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: deep dive on patron, make sure that you're subscribed to
• 1:03:29
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• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: monthly bonus episodes that are, highly researched deep dives into
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: these pieces of culture, very much like we were doing
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: in kind of the original run of the show. Uh,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: the patrons seem to love them. We love making them
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: and we love you and we will be back next week.
• 1:03:55
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• 1:04:01
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• 1:04:20
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