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So Much to See, Nothing to Watch · Dos Amigos

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, this is Freddie Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 3: So Freddy, I would also say listening to our hearts,
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  Speaker 1: Listen to our hearts. Listen to our hearts, not just
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  Speaker 1: their voices.
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  Speaker 3: Freddy, I need a word of advice, yes, sir, which
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  Speaker 3: I think is going to.
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  Speaker 2: Lead us into the theme of the episode. But how
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  Speaker 2: do you do it? Man?
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: How did you get home from your meetings and your
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  Speaker 3: work and all that stuff. You're like, oh, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to have a five thirty six o'clock dinner, and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I had an early enough dinner. I think it's only seven.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I should watch a movie. Yeah, And then you
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  Speaker 3: sit on.
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  Speaker 2: The couch with your lady and you're like, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Let's pick something. And it's now ten fifteen PM and
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  Speaker 3: you've now watched twenty seven trailers. Don't pick anything and
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  Speaker 3: pass out on the couch. You at one am, you
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  Speaker 3: gotta slash, you know. You get like a glass of
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  Speaker 3: water from the kitchen and decide to roll onto your
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  Speaker 3: bed because your neck hurts.
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  Speaker 1: You described by you know.
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  Speaker 4: I have to say, right, there's so much to see
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  Speaker 4: but nothing to watch. Right, there's such a gigantic selection.
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  Speaker 4: I'm the type of person that I'll put something on
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  Speaker 4: and if it doesn't interest me, like in the first
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  Speaker 4: I'll know the first not even five minutes if it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be good.
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  Speaker 2: But how do you pick it? Do you just give
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  Speaker 2: it a shot?
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  Speaker 4: I'll just go, Oh, that looks interesting, the title looks interesting,
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  Speaker 4: the description looks interesting. I like this director, I like
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  Speaker 4: this actor. There's something that sort of hooks me. And
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  Speaker 4: I've said this before. I have pretty good instincts, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes I can just tell by looking at it, like
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes I'm wrong, and I'll put it on in
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  Speaker 4: the first thirty seconds. A row and I'll be like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. I don't like the tone of
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  Speaker 4: this thing. There's something about the way the way it feels. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'll get in like a minute, two minutes, three minutes,
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  Speaker 4: five minutes, and I'll turn it off.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And same thing with trailers. You know.
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  Speaker 4: I love to watch there's that app on Apple TV
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  Speaker 4: where you can just watch trailers.
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  Speaker 1: I watch trailers all day long.
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  Speaker 4: Man, yeah, you know, and I really get a sense
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  Speaker 4: of like what I think is good. I just saw
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  Speaker 4: this movie called Sarat I think it was on Hulu,
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  Speaker 4: a movie that was not popular, right, but but but
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  Speaker 4: it but it won at the Can Film Festival, and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, that's that. That's a big deal, right, Like,
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  Speaker 4: like I want to see what One at Can and
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  Speaker 4: the movie blew me away, man, I mean it. It
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  Speaker 4: was captivating the way that they captured tone and everything
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  Speaker 4: in that film. And that's not a popular movie and
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  Speaker 4: that's not something that someone would normally watch.
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  Speaker 1: But but but just the fact that it won at
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  Speaker 1: Can made me want to want to watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be completely honest.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that Dad would have advice actually helped me,
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  Speaker 3: But what would.
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  Speaker 1: You okay, what's talk me through your process?
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  Speaker 3: Especially you who did who that's next to hers from
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  Speaker 3: passing out on the couch and yeah, so you're there.
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  Speaker 1: You watch a bunch of trailers.
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  Speaker 3: So there were like so every app has an interface,
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  Speaker 3: right and when as soon as you log in, there
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  Speaker 3: is I don't know, maybe fifty titles in the front page, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and some platforms don't have enough titles features, so you
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  Speaker 3: have the same title feature four times on that like
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  Speaker 3: new this week, Yeah, picked for you or like you know,
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  Speaker 3: top ten, you know, and it's like the same movie
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  Speaker 3: from the last three roads, you know. So it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of hard to pick. So it just it's just for me.
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  Speaker 3: It's now coming down to having to make an intentional decision.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight I want to watch action or tonight I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to look for a comedy.
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  Speaker 4: But do you do you go back to like something
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  Speaker 4: that you know or is it just something that's new?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, if I if I can't find anything,
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  Speaker 3: I'll go with like a Jim Carrey like find I
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  Speaker 3: find like the first Dasment tourists.
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  Speaker 4: I find like liar Liar, he's he's He's from another planet.
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  Speaker 3: That dude, I mean, and it's just he's such a
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  Speaker 3: great performer, so you're just you're just like enamored.
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  Speaker 2: By all his choices and just like love it.
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  Speaker 3: But again, so I now have to I can't just
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  Speaker 3: be like I'm going to browse, because then I'll end
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  Speaker 3: up picking nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know how you guys do
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  Speaker 2: it at home.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us how you guys do it at home, because
• 5:39
  Speaker 3: because for me it's it's been really difficult. So now
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  Speaker 3: I have to kind of really make an intentional, you know,
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  Speaker 3: outlook and say like an intentional you know, intention like whatever,
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  Speaker 3: what's the word that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 3: I have to have made the decision that I'm watching
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  Speaker 3: a comedy, or I'm made the decision that I'm watching espionage,
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  Speaker 3: or I'm watching a documentary, I'm watching whatever, So then
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  Speaker 3: like you can narrow it down to a category and
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  Speaker 3: then hopefully something speaks to you, because if you just
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  Speaker 3: sit in front of it and you're like, let me
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  Speaker 3: see what's new?
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  Speaker 4: Right, right, Okay, so you've picked the category, right, you
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  Speaker 4: said tonight I'm gonna watch comedy. You know, I just said, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: I I was browsing through and this thing said it
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  Speaker 4: played it can, so that's why I wanted to see it.
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  Speaker 4: So like, what's the indicator for you? Like, what what
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  Speaker 4: is it that you see that you go, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe maybe that.
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  Speaker 3: For me, comedy is really about the storyteller. So it's
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  Speaker 3: like the director, but it also is like who are
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  Speaker 3: we watching? Because most comedy works because an actor is
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  Speaker 3: bringing it to life and levels that. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: comedy is one of those things where like you kind
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  Speaker 3: of want to trust the filmmaker, but really you are
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  Speaker 3: watching the person, you know. So it's if it's like
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  Speaker 3: a Will Ferrell movie, if it's like a Paul Rod movie,
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  Speaker 3: if it's like a Jack Black movie, if it's like
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know, Eddie Murphy or whatever, You're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: now you have to just pick what tone of a
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  Speaker 3: comedic actor you're gonna watch.
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  Speaker 1: So it's my actors.
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  Speaker 2: So so let's just say you've comedy. For me, it's
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  Speaker 2: like the actors.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so you've chosen comedy. You go in the comedy section.
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  Speaker 4: There's the classics that you know, right, Jim Carre, But
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  Speaker 4: here's this whole slew of new stuff. How do you
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  Speaker 4: how do you choose what out of the new stuff
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  Speaker 4: that you so you would have to know who the
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  Speaker 4: actor is.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It is crazy stufficult for me because I really believe
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  Speaker 3: that most comedy today is so soft hitting. They're very timid.
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  Speaker 3: It's very it's look warm, it's watered down. It doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have an opinion. And comedy is at its best when
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  Speaker 3: it has an opinion about about what it is, about
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  Speaker 3: what that project is, about, what that story is supposed
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  Speaker 3: to feel like, and be like that's why when you
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  Speaker 3: look at Jaed Apato, all his opinion, it's about coming
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  Speaker 3: to story.
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  Speaker 2: Coming of age, you know, hit.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's what when you see he says rogan
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  Speaker 3: producing something, he's telling you this is how he feels
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  Speaker 3: about this subject matter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the studio, you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: The studio or even like when you go back to
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  Speaker 3: like Knocked Up, you know you talk about forty year
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  Speaker 3: old Virgin, Like these are.
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  Speaker 2: Themes that knew them knew itself.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't that like, you know, be funny a forty
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  Speaker 3: year old virgin movie and let's just do a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of impress about what it would be like to be
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  Speaker 3: a virgin as you're forties. No, it's like they have
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  Speaker 3: an actual point of view about why this character, where
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  Speaker 3: this character is, and where he ends up at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the movie, and what is his happy end
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  Speaker 3: and if if you're going to make fun of him
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  Speaker 3: in the whole movie, how does it win at the end?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: You know so so a lot of these movies are
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  Speaker 3: just like they don't they don't answer that question for
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  Speaker 3: the end, just kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of real general now and real water down.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like it's a one size fits all and
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  Speaker 3: comedy is at its best when it's specific, when when
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  Speaker 3: it has an opinion about the subject matter, and we
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  Speaker 3: don't have that now, and you occasionally have one that
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  Speaker 3: pops off and you're like, Okay, this is gonna be cool, Like,
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  Speaker 3: for example, when Jack Black and Paul Rod Didakonda remake Things?
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  Speaker 3: Oh so yeah, yeah, how incentive is that?
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  Speaker 2: I just saw fun?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so good?
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  Speaker 3: Right, Like these guys and you're like, Jack Black and
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  Speaker 3: Paul Rod is gonna be magic?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because they know two things? Why is their ass on screen?
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  Speaker 3: And they're the ones they need to answer to their
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: own performance? Yeah yeah, two, you know totally, they get
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  Speaker 3: aligned on how far they're gonna go with this thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so, but these are real comedic pros. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Paul Rod to me walks on water. Jack Black is
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  Speaker 3: iss a surgical performer as well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so I think it's great.
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  Speaker 3: So you trust that, and then they come up with
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  Speaker 3: something as original. It's like they're gonna film them and
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  Speaker 3: a condom.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good example. I saw that and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That configuration.
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  Speaker 3: It's like they're making it on a condo movie and
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: it's like these two guys together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even if it's.
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  Speaker 3: Even the critics go blah, I know the critics are
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  Speaker 3: judging some other shit and yeah, and I know the
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: popcor meter is going to be up because peoplere gonna
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  Speaker 3: be like, this shit is just you don't have to think.
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  Speaker 3: You got to go in and just let them take
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  Speaker 3: you somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting you say that.
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  Speaker 4: You know what movie came out recently where the critics
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  Speaker 4: panned it and but it did incredibly well in the
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  Speaker 4: box office, that.
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  Speaker 1: The scary movie seven, the last one, the last scary movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Whether you're a fan or not, I just find that
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  Speaker 4: that sort of balance to.
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  Speaker 2: Be just a sketch, right. It's like it's like, look,
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: where's ketch movie?
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  Speaker 1: You know what it is.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: You're just gonna have a.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: Montage of absurd fun situations. And I love Marlon, I
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: love Sean Cast. They put together super fun. You know,
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  Speaker 3: some shit in the movies, it's not gonna like you know,
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  Speaker 3: some stuff is gonna be a miss, right, But then
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  Speaker 3: you know that with the stuff that does hit, it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna hit.
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  Speaker 2: Harder than any movie you're gonna go watch. It's that
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  Speaker 2: claims himself to be a comedy, right, right.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's how hard I mean, Leo, you saw the movie, Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like somethings is a miss.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's great, but that's the point of comedy, right, Like, right,
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  Speaker 4: he's supposed to go and laugh and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the studio says there are a couple of misses, right,
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  Speaker 3: And I think the point I'm making with with him
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: and listening to him is like, after all, the ship
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  Speaker 3: that does work and scary movie is is audacious, it's bold,
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  Speaker 3: and he has an opinion, which is what comedy used
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  Speaker 3: to be in cinema. You used to go, dude, Adam
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  Speaker 3: Sandler movies used to make one hundred and fifty million, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're kidding me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred undred and fifty hundred and two hundred
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  Speaker 3: million US Adam Sandler. You know why, because he's like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm here to make you laugh. Yeah, I'm not here
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  Speaker 3: to make you think. I'm here to make you laugh.
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  Speaker 3: But then when the movie ends, like, oh just kidding,
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  Speaker 3: you also made me think yeah, And that's what comedy
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  Speaker 3: used to do. Used to be a vessel for heart,
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  Speaker 3: used to be a vessel for emotions. And now people
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  Speaker 3: are just too scared to have our characters not fit
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  Speaker 3: fit them all of everything else. So but but I'm
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: glad that Leo was in on this because that movie,
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: to me, it's you know, uh, you'll have some missus, right,
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  Speaker 3: but the ship that does hit is because they're also
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: swinging that heart right. So if the missus miss hard,
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: then the swings that hit we hit hard, right, And
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  Speaker 3: I got our movies are very timid, very scared.
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  Speaker 1: Well why do you think that is? Why do you
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  Speaker 1: think movies are timid and scared?
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  Speaker 3: I think everyone's scared of today's society, cancel culture.
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  Speaker 2: I think they think that.
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  Speaker 3: Social media is going if if at preview that movie
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  Speaker 3: gets reviewed badly by the trolls or the reviewers, or
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  Speaker 3: the critics or the whoever goes to that first showing
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  Speaker 3: Kiss Your Friday and Kiss Your Saturday showing goodbye, because
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: people are looking at the chatter. People are looking at
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: you know, what is all the people saying about that movie?
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  Speaker 2: Is it good? Is it bad?
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  Speaker 3: And if it's bad, you go our way into a
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: streaming and then that box office weekend is gone. I
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: will say Tropic Thunder and Team America, Team Ofmerica, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: are probably the last of the Mohicans of that era
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  Speaker 3: that said screw it, like break the window, like land
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  Speaker 3: on the table, like we're gonna go hard and we'll
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  Speaker 3: see where, We'll see what takes, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And Robert Junior nominated for an Oscar.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta nominator for an Oscar for playing a black
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  Speaker 3: man so good man, so good.
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  Speaker 2: But even black you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, even the black community was like, okay't hate, you
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  Speaker 3: can't hit like that.
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  Speaker 2: Was it was pretty damn good hate, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But but the way he did it was like his
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  Speaker 3: character was the best character in the movie. And that's
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  Speaker 3: why I also think it's like there's two things. Either
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  Speaker 3: you you know, you create these characters that like talking
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  Speaker 3: the talken nish of our communities, or that character leans
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  Speaker 3: hard and becomes like the best part of it, and
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  Speaker 3: like you can be timid, right, you again, you have
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  Speaker 3: to swing hard.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just like half swing it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna flirt with the subject matter, but then
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be let you just kidding this and other
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: things for you guys, if you like that, it's like
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: you can't negotiate with comedy. But but Traffic Thunder is
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: one of those interesting ones because that whole entire movie,
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: there was stuff that's grounded, yeah, there was stuff that
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: was just outrageously possible, yeah, yeah, and then everything in
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: between was just like, like, get out of my head.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking exactly what you were saying out loud.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, I think that was I think.
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  Speaker 4: I was so absurd that movie, Like I love absurd
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  Speaker 4: sense of humor.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you don't like it, don't watch it, man,
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, I mean, look, so that's where I think
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  Speaker 3: about comedy. And you know this is coming from a
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  Speaker 3: guy who, like, for two hundred episodes, I was so
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  Speaker 3: free and so fearless to.
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  Speaker 2: Try random takes and random things.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that if I'd come back to comedy,
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  Speaker 3: I'd have that same freedom. And maybe I would because
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: I'm the old school guy that can come in and
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  Speaker 3: be like, we got a swing harder, you know, like
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: I can push the writer's room to like go places
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  Speaker 3: that they're probably timid about.
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  Speaker 2: But but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've been tunting around with comedy and coming
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  Speaker 3: back to comedy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're still good at it, man, you should, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you should.
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  Speaker 4: I understand why you wanted to do drama afterwards, right,
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, but your comedic skills are so undeniable.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't think you should deprive the world
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  Speaker 4: of it, you know, I think I think you should.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Do some comedy. Man.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do a comedy movie, yeah, and then be like,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: here's why it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I have a crazy idea. I can't
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  Speaker 3: pitch it here, but soon to come, I'll pitch it
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  Speaker 3: to you. Okay, Sorry everyone at home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's annoying to to, you know, to hear that out.
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  Speaker 1: So what about what about water cooler TV shows? Right?
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  Speaker 4: So you said, you know, you you did a show
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: where you felt free to swing hard and it worked
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: and it landed, and obviously you know, I did a
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  Speaker 4: show that was a sort of a water cooler show time,
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  Speaker 4: and so like, you know what, what do you think
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  Speaker 4: the last of the water cooler shows were? And for
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: the audiences who don't understand that term, the water cooler
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: means at the office, there's a water cooler where you
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: go get water and usually you meet the other employees there.
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  Speaker 1: That's where conversations are had.
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  Speaker 3: I think one of one of the last ones to
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  Speaker 3: do that beautifully was Game of Thrones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That was one of those few event planning moments where
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  Speaker 3: people are like, where are you watching it? You're gonna
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: watch it tonight, you're watching it live, but you're gonna
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: record it.
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  Speaker 2: What you're gonna do?
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  Speaker 3: And I remember having in a shout out to my
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: boy Sean White, who's a legend of the snowboard uh
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: and skateboard Olympian and just like a beautiful.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Human being period.
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  Speaker 3: Him and I were in conversations and we're like, Doug,
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  Speaker 3: where are you watching the Game of Thrones finale?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know where you're gonna watch? Him like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's watch it.
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  Speaker 3: So we put together his friends and my friends and
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: we did a whole watch party. I was sitting on
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: the floor with pillows on the couches. We had food
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and watched this the last finale, and I went through
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: all that emotions together.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone had caught up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and and so that was one of
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: those moments where people didn't want to ruin it for
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: each other. Did you watch? I can't say anything, did
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: you watch. I'm not gonna say a word.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's like that that magic thing with entertainment was bringing
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: us together on that way, on that level. Event television
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  Speaker 3: is rare nowadays when it.
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  Speaker 1: Hits you think that was the last, Like Breaking Bad
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  Speaker 1: was like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: That, Breaking Bad I thought was big for its could following.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely not throw.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that even Succession was a little yeah little,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: It was was high level and was also really a
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: media again, but I wouldn't say that that was a
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: national event.
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  Speaker 2: I think Game of Thrones was a little bit closer
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, also Game of Throws sort of the themes of
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: that show was way more commercial, right, so reach reached so.
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  Speaker 2: Many other people.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: But yeah, Succession, that's a good that's a good one.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: That's a good one, A current one. Trying to think
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  Speaker 4: what else has been sort of current. That's m water cooler.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, oh, you know, pretty good one was
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: squid Games.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, squid Games, the first season of squid Games.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Was that moment? Yeah, that one was pretty good.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People like Plurbious as well an Apple and there
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: they were sort of waiting.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Plurvis put yeah Plurbis, I asked him.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Plurbis on him?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Man, Yeah yeah, I did you watch it?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: No, but I heard amazing things about it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: A friend of mine is like, you gotta watch actually
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: on my niece Ari Ari Pacheco. Shout out to Ari
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Pacheco up in the North. She was always hitting me
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: up and like you gotta watch his uncle blah blah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: So it's like, yeah, yeah, well Vince Gilligan, right, who
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: did who did Breaking Bad?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's such a freaking genius.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: He's a genius. You know what we need to do?
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah we need to have Brian Cogman on the show.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, are we all supposed to.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Have dinner shut out? Yeah? But I was away on
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the Richard Brian, Brian, I know.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: You listen to this podcast, so uh, big shout out
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: to Brian Cogman. If just to bring you guys up
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: to speed, Brian Cogman is one of the most prolific
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: writers in Hollywood. Is a four time Emmy winning writer.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: He was a massive writer for A Game of Thrones.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: He's created some really prolific stuff and he's currently doing
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: a massive, massive show that we're not allowed to talk about.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know which one? I think, So don't
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: say he's doing a massive show. Yeah, like like that
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that budget is gonna probably break at least one fitty Wow.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Really, he's gonna do a massive show. But the point
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: is he's he's brilliant. He's not you talk about vinyl,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the guy posted a different vinyl. He plays a week
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: on Instagram if you oh no, I gotta check out.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So he's like, he's just an amazing dude. But he'll
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: be a great chat and he can talk about development,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: talk about the you know what that process, and also
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: how what was it like, did you know you were
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: in the biggest TV show of the last twenty years?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know what'd be great?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I And I think I told you this story.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I did a movie with Michael Bean and I was
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: at the time, I was doing a TV show for
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: CBS and they were replacing an actor, and.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I was and I was like, maybe maybe Michael you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: pardon me, Sean Bean. Sean Bean. I worked with Michael Bean.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Also Sean Bean, who was in season one Game of Roads,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: and we were doing a movie together in the Ukraine,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: and I was like.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yay, Sean Wan, you ever think about doing TV?
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: And he was like yeah, this was back when, like
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: remember our actors either did TV or film or whatever.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, you know, I'd be open
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to it. I just did this pilot. I don't know
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: if it's going to be any good. It's supposed to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: have like dragons in it, and I don't know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I go, well, I'm I'm love love. Yeah. Yeah, I
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: was like. I was like, well, I'm doing this this
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: TV show for CBS.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: It's called Chaos and it's Tomspyziali's are you know? He
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: went on to do The Watchman and The Leftovers and
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: he's our he's our showrunner. But they're they're replacing an
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: actor and you might be great. I don't know if
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: you do something for CBS.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: He was well, I.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Gotta wait, man, I did this thing and then they
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: might have dragons in it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And it's on HBO. And I was like, oh, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: was on HBO. That's cool. I go Dragons. I was like, okay, HBO. Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, HBO did dragons, Okay, all right? And
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: so I was waiting for him this true story man,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: true story.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: I was we were in the Ukraine, and I was
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: just waiting for him to tell me if his show
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: got picked up or not so that I could recommend
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: them for my show.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And then the show got picked up and I was like, okay,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: we'll see how that does.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And what was it like when you it's the first episode.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I was just well, truth be Told.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: It wasn't.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: It wasn't no no after Truth be Told, it wasn't
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: my type of I didn't think that it was my
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: type of genre, right, I was okay, this is like
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: like is this like Harry Potter?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Like who is this four? But it really was about
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: it was great character work.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Oh oh, the everything, the story, everything, And so I
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: was like, all right, I watched it, and then I
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: started watching it and I was like, wow, this thing's.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: A jargon different show. Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden the show became the
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: biggest show in the world, and I just I just
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: kept thinking about these conversations.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: You know, I would have I have so many questions
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: for Brian, Yeah, what is it going to take? Or
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: will it be a moment where we would have, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: water cooler moment again with with TV?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Is there a movie? You know?
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: And I think we have movies that pop up, like
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: there's an eight twenty four movie, or there's like a
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Peel movie, you know something you're like, oh man, this
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: is this is crazy. You know I told you anything
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: about it, you wanna watch it. But television has such
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: a power too, week week after week to bring people.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Together like what you know, what do you think about that?
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: It's funny you bring up eight twenty four because I've
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: talked to people who have done stuff for them. I've
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I've talked to people who've worked there, and their business
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: model was very similar to what HBO's business model was
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: back then.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And HBO's business model back then was like if we
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: hire you, we want you to do what you do right,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: And when I did my show there, I remember, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: remember my showrunner came from Network TV and he was
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: so shocked at the notes that he got from HBO.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And one of the he said, he said, I got
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: one note from HBO, and they were like, just make
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: it more fucked up, right, that was the one note.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: And this is coming from a guy who would.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Get reams and reams and reams of notes from network TV. Right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: So to answer that question, and this is my opinion,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I feel that if an artist of that caliber is allowed.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: To do what they do, then you'll get water cooler tea.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: You get out of the way.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Get out of their way, man, don't pretend you're a
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: toyteller and you're just curious, the.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Same way that A twenty four gets out of the
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: way of their artists and lets them do what they do,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: the same way that I'm sure you know HBO did
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: with Game of Thrones, and we just brought up Vince
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Gilligan right down curbs and breaking bad the same way
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: that those people got out of his way. You know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: there are certain artists that that are creators like that
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: that you have to.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Let them do what they do.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Goes back to what you were saying the other in
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the other episode, which is it's going back to the seventies.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: It's about it's about the director, it's about the writers,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: by the actor, you know, it's about those people.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Actually telling you the story.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to trust them. You got to trust them.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are certain people who are who have
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: really strong voices, and you're hiring them for that reason.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: So why note them the death? Why why change their vision?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Why try to?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And especially if their notes are based in fear, based
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: in self preservation.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Correct, correct, based in based in uh, them wanting to
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: put their fingerprints on it and say, see that, that's thankful.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: That's my fingerprint now, right, that's my note.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: That's so it's it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: No longer services the quality of the show. It services you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: You wanting to put your your hand on it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It that's great.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I have some stuff that I'm developing the I'm excited
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: about that hopefully. You know, this conversation was actually very
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: instrumental and like understanding, how do you sell something of
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: you know, high genre and like you know, we're working
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: on sci fi, We're working on on vengeance and stuff
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: like that. So I think it's like, what about those
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: themes you know that that can tap into humanity and
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: make people go, I can't wait to see this person
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: go through all this stuff. And then like, you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: how do you how do you bury the leads in
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: a really fantastic a way, Like I think it's I
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: got to go back to that that discovery that things,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: you know, continue to mold as you watch every minute,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: you know. I think that's that's like a really good
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: reminder of you know, knowing that intentionally that's the development
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: you got to put into.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome to hear that you're doing that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we're in the super exciting time
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: right now, right where the eight twenty fours and the
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Neons and the and the Focus and the Magnolias of
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the world are just producing incredible stuff where where it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: not star based or it's not the star director based,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: it's it's story based. You know, the stories are becoming
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the stars, right and people are coming to the theater
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: and they're paying their their their twenty bucks to come
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: see these awesome stories. That doesn't that doesn't check a box, right,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: it's not stop, it's.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Not and there's no no, no knock to.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of superhero stuff that I like, you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: but it's not it's not trying to fulfill some sort
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: of quota that they feel.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: That's that's fear based.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Well, superheroes, the superhero genre people forget that those are
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: actually heavily structure in blueprint from soap operas.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Oh soaps, Okay.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: They're really soaps with capes, and people forget about that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Like, yes there is high stakes, Yes there is some
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: big action moment.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: But at the root of it is rooted in sorrow
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: is rooted and becoming is rooting in relationships and families
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and community and like all these things that kind of
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: play on the factors of your human experience and then.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: You're throwing superpowers and you're like, what am I?
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: It's a soap and when you tie those themes together
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: and that's what makes it, Like that's why Marvel did
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: so great.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: They made it in.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Tire soap series where it's just like surprises and turns
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and twists and betrayals.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And you know it's soap. Is a soap.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Did you see did you see the latest Mandalorian movie?
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: No, it was in the movie theaters.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It was it was excellent.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Man, you loved it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Flawless.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Oh I can't wait flawless.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard much about it yet, but I love
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: the Mandalorian. I love Pete Rascal, I low Grogu, I
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: love all that stuff.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, the execution was superb.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That's great, superb. I did hear it was like one
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: big episode of Mandalorian. Is that true? I don't know.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I went to go see it, and I went. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: went with no expectations.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I went to just have a visceral reaction, right the
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: same way that I judge anything that I put on TV,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: right like the first five minutes. If if my visceral
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: reaction is like, oh, this isn't good, I stop it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: But I went with no. I just had a visceral reaction,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and and and not once was I bored, not once,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Not once did I feel like there were a false moment.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: The way that they balanced the Grogul character, which is,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like in the eighties.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: You remember remember when like.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Like Gremlins and like what was that, not the Gremlin
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: but the the little furry cute thing Gizmo. Remember the
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: eighties they would have stuff like that, like the Gizmo character, whereas.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: They have their own story.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, yeah, and it's it's very much went back
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: to like the eighties Gizmo or like the Ewoks, remember
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: back in the Return of the Jedi. Yeah, so it
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: has an element of that, but it was grounded and
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: real and like the special effects were terrific, and uh
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I just I was like, oh, yes, there's still like
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: hope for like these big, these big tent pole movies.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Right to be well secuted. Man, that's awesome.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, shout out to Peter Pascal Latino brother doing
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: his thing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: On that note, I'm going to keep that in mind
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: and we're going to make sure we in buy Brian
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Cogman because I think he can tell us how do
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: we go back to that, you know, through that experiment
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: when we all come together in one living room and
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: just like our shock together and while together. This is
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: warm about the Ramadi Rodriguez, thank you for listening to
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: those amigos.