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#165: Kevin Wanichko-Saint Vincent College · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  different. So let's get to it, man.
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  Let's hop into it. I'm so proud to have an
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  introduce to you. The wise, the wonderful head
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  coach at st. Vincent College in Pennsylvania,
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  mr. Kevin would itch go, Kevin.
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  How are you sir? I'm doing great.
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  You know, thanks so much for having me.
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  I'm a big fan, listen to the podcast, follow me on social
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  media. So you know, every time someone
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  says that which that's that's a little humble brag.
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  A lot of people do say that I always have to ask them.
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  So what has been if you're big Fan of the podcast.
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  Tell us what has been your favorite one.
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  But, you know, the spot. I know.
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  I love it. Kayla Morgan one from the oh
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  yeah, yeah. Well I know doing something
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  special there, the program. So, you know, being a distance
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  guy like to follow programs like that 100% had, you know, an Alum
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  from the program. I love that kind of stuff.
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  I have a real soft spot for alums who coach at their alma
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  mater. I mean, to me is that, you know,
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  guy who did 10 years of coaching and worked at his alma mater, as
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  When you coach at your alma mater, like how authentic is
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  that when you go to recruit a kid and you tell how tell him
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  how great your school is and it's like, you know, how great
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  it is. I chose to go to school.
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  It's a kid man, so so maybe that's your story will find out
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  Kevin. Let's, let's get to it, man.
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  This is one of those. I've said this before, maybe a
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  hundred times now. These are the ones that I'm
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  always super excited about. I've had, amazing guess, you
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  know, we've had Beth Alfred Sullivan here a couple of weeks
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  ago, Lonnie Green. And these are, those are guys
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  and gals that I've known for a long time.
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  Great. People you have kind of grown up
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  through their story as a coach and now here at celtx, but then
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  we have this subset of awesome coaches because there's so many
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  of you which is great that I don't know anything about it all
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  and Kevin golly you're one of those man.
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  I don't know you besides some work, you know, we've done
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  together here recently so I just I love these.
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  These are just so funny because I get to learn from square one.
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  And so let's start with square one.
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  So Kevin is we look at your journey where does coaching
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  Teaching is something that typically happens to us when
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  we're an athlete, we get coached, but at some point in
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  your life, it had to flip in your head that oh, wait a
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  minute. Like, I could be a coach like
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  that. Possibly could be a career for
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  me or I could do that on the side.
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  When does coaching change for you?
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  Wouldn't that thought, kind of that light switch hits for you?
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  I would say kind of hit me my senior year of college.
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  I graduated from Saint Vincent. Yes, I was hoping I'd I honestly
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  didn't know that. Awesome.
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  You kind of know what they're, you know.
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  Same Vincent is a very special piece of me.
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  I had two wonderful coaches that really inspired me, you know,
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  they were kind of father figures to me in my life and kind of
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  guided me in a special way. So, you know, my senior year,
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  they kind of, you know, all four years.
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  They took me under their wing. But I think, you know, as a
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  senior, you start to get that leadership stuff like that and
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  taking more steps and, you know, I started to think more
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  seriously. It's about it.
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  I graduated and I actually volunteered the next year kind
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  of helped out a little bit and you know it was during that time
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  that I realized like this was kind of my calling and something
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  I love to do now I won't let you get away with just saying these
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  two great coaches were father figures and we shout them out
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  man. They obviously deserve it who we
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  talking about here? So dr.
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  Andrew her, he was my cross-country coach.
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  All four years. He, you know, he's kind of been,
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  you know, my biggest Mentor he actually Lee just retired from
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  Men's cross country, but firmly here.
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  So this upcoming fall will be my first year coaching, the men's
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  cross country which is you been, you know, a special program for
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  me. Something I ran for and my other
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  coach was Steve Schneider. He was my middle distance, coach
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  for all track. He also, you know, changed my
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  life more than I can ever say he was someone, you know, was more
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  than a coach. He know during my coaching time,
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  I would meet him every, you know, once a week we would have
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  breakfast. Talk about things.
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  We're kind of in a growth area at same concern right now, or
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  we're looking to go from just being a cross-country, middle
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  distance to grow into a full track team, so I kind of picked
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  his brain a lot on that. He's actually I actually bring
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  him back. It is January to help because he
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  was a great High School coach before his time at st.
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  Vincent. And unfortunately he actually
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  passed away during the season so that was a little too hard loss
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  for us but you know, he's truly in a better place.
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  He was having some heart issues and stuff like that, but he he
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  taught me a lot throughout the journey here.
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  So help us understand that you're an undergrad.
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  You have these two so they were there before.
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  You they were affecting young people like you before you, what
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  was it? So kind of a two-part question.
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  How did they earn your trust, right?
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  We talked a lot about athletes having to trust their coaches,
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  but, you know, coaches have to trust the athletes as well, and
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  that doesn't happen. Just because you have an emblem
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  and a, your door title things as Coach Wright.
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  Are you have a little thing on your desk or whatever?
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  Your business card says coach, how did they they obviously had
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  such an impact on your? Your face is telling me a lot
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  here, you know that unfortunately if you're
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  listening to podcast it's only audio.
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  But in you can hear in his voice to but his face.
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  You can see what these two gentlemen meant to you and then
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  we'll get into it. But kind of sound like they
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  changed the correction of, you know, the direction of your
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  life. But what was how did they?
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  Because this might be something for us to learn what was their
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  actions thoughts words, Etc. That you like went beyond coach
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  and athlete. Like oh, you know, this guy's
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  these guys are father figures to me.
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  They changed my life. I actually I want to be what
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  they are. I want to be a coach because of
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  them. What was it?
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  How did they do that? I was more than an athlete to
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  them that they looked at me, know, as a person, it wasn't
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  about how fast I ran and stuff like that.
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  It, you know, I will be the first one to tell you my early
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  years, the same Vincent. I was not the best student and
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  dr. Her who's, you know, the head of
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  our economics Department, you know, big academic guy, you
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  know, he he pushed me in ways that I needed to be push you
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  know I didn't have that discipline.
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  I came from high school were, you know, I never had to open a
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  book study. I just kind of got through
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  which, you know, a lot of people do.
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  So I thought that was the same and it's not in college.
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  So he, you know, he pushed me from from the academic side a
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  little bit more than what I had been.
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  And let me know that there was more than just running out there
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  and you know running wasn't my only thing that mattered,
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  there's more to it than that and Coach Snyder was just someone,
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  you know, door was always open. You can walk in In and talk
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  about anything, you know, it didn't have to be just running.
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  It could be family, it could be no religion, whatever you want
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  to talk about. He was there to talk about and
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  you know, like I said that that Journey continued no, even after
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  I graduated, I said met him once a week stuff like that.
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  I think that's so important. You know, when I think about our
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  lives, here's you as a sophomore, junior in college,
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  so, you know, 19, 20 year-old, but if you think about your
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  athletes today and even you right now, Kevin has a person me
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  as a person. Yeah, there's kind of two
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  columns in life. One is the individual.
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  So Kevin who you are, right? And then on the other column, is
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  all these roles that you have, right?
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  So, coach used to have the role of an athlete, maybe your
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  spouse, your son, maybe you're a brother, maybe your father.
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  These are all things. We gotta like to learn today.
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  Maybe you're a little-league coach, you're a friend, a best
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  friend. It says, all these different
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  roles. And until we do, we're going to
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  relationship. I think happens when we get away
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  from the rolls and focus on the individual.
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  And what you just described there is instead of just coach
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  and athlete, which entails more than just barking out what the
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  workout is for the day. It's encouragement and sternman,
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  you know, I don't say punishment but you know correction right
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  but what you're describing there with dr.
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  Her and Steve Snyder is like okay sure that one of our roles
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  is coach and athlete. But also its dr.
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  Her and Kevin the student, which is another role by Kevin the
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  person and Steve Schneider talking about everything from
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  religion and relationships and family things like that.
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  That's so important. I want to come back to that when
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  we get back to your current role about how you enact that with
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  your kids. Like the, is that something a
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  focal point for you? So so put we'll put a pin in
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  that and come back to that. So you graduate from st.
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  Vincent were you, you mentioned dr.
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  Her be an economics, major work. Economics, professor were unique
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  and Alex major. What would you what were you
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  thinking of before the coach bug gets you?
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  What were you thinking about doing started as an econ major?
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  Didn't end that way. Now I came in that way, I ended
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  up switching to be a Comm major. There's a lot of that side that
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  I liked, you know, but like I said, you know, early my years I
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  just wasn't disciplined enough to be an econ major.
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  So I switched no graduated with a call.
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  Degree. What were you thinking with
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  econ? What were you really want to be
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  a? I would never major in economies
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  on to do to become an economist. I don't know Economist.
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  I don't you take, can you say it right?
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  Yeah. So the reason I actually picked
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  it was my uncle was a graduate of st.
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  Vincent. And he was an econ major.
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  Oh wow. It's been pretty successful in
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  the business world and I was like, okay, they could be around
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  that. I go, you know, right?
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  Make pretty good money. Yeah.
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  But want to make my life better than coaching.
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  Yeah, you know, that's the early thoughts in your life as much.
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  As much money as I can. And then whenever you get in the
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  track world, you realize. It's not all about the money.
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  It's about having a job he loved every day.
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  Yeah, absolutely. So what.
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  Okay, so you graduated from st. Vincent you end up going to
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  communications degree. Not any cons.
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  You're not going to be an economist, which I do.
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  You know what an economist? I.
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  Yeah, I I'll read an article on, you know, about anacondas.
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  I don't really know what they do, but they probably do
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  important stuff. So what do you do?
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  Do you go to grad school? Do you volunteer, you get an
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  assistant's job right off the bat?
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  What? Video.
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  So I went to grad school in a nearby School Cal you.
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  I went to sports management there, you know, while I was
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  taking classes there. Like I said, I volunteered here.
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  Help train some of the guys stuff like that.
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  Yes, I got that degree and then actually write, as I was getting
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  ready to wrap it up, there was a job that opened up.
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  It was for a sports information director, cross-country track
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  and field coach. Not a combo.
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  You see too often? Yeah, re world, where you have
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  to wear multiple hats. You know, I kind of got pulled
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  into that it was at Chatham University in Pittsburgh.
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  It's about an hour from from where I was at so you know I
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  applied and took the job. So that was my first coaching
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  job, it was a lot of early morning and late nights with you
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  know, topping Sports info on top of that.
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  But that was a sacrifice had to make to in order to coach that's
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  a sports information director like we fans and That your we
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  get onto, you know, the SIDS about what articles they write
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  for cross-country and track. And you know they didn't
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  highlight this or they didn't say this or they did say that I
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  hope you had like the world's best cross country and track
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  releases since you were this ID. I mean, we obviously we had
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  pretty good ones. Yeah.
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  You get to see it from the perspective of like of an
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  athlete and Coach like, okay, here's what we should be telling
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  people and how we should tell the story a little bit easier.
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  Tell a story when you're there in person.
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  Sure. And you know it and you know
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  the, you know, what the cross-country race and who was
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  there in the course itself? Yeah, exactly.
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  What did you did? You like being an SI d--?
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  Or was it just an ends? Of means of like yeah, that's
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  what is how I can coach. It's kind of a hard question to
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  answer. Okay.
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  So I do like I liked it but I like coaching more and in order
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  to be effective you just can't do both sure.
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  You know as division three level.
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  You know you have to wear multiple hats.
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  Sometimes that's just you know money saving.
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  It was a difficult job like I said we would practice in the
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  morning it was an hour commute from there was a lot more is I
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  would be leaving at 4:45. I have to stab a volleyball game
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  that night. And I wouldn't get out of the
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  office until 10:00 that night, driving our home, get home at
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  11:00, and then do it all again, the next day.
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  So it was a lot of, you know, early morning late nights be
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  know if I had to, you know, if I wasn't a coach, I could csid as
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  being a profession. But luckily for me, I'm a
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  coaching that deal. Well, how did it go?
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  I mean, that's, you know, coaches, we talk about you're
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  not a nine-to-five, right? There's weekends and meets,
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  don't get over till 10:00 at night.
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  Sometimes and travel Etc. As IDs are very similar right
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  there, writing a lot of stuff and creating a lot of stuff
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  during the day. And then they're going to, you
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  know, depending on what sports, they cover volleyball matches at
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  Night Football Games Etc. How did the coaching side Go?
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  I mean that's the plus the commute on top of that, man.
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  Oh that had to be pretty brutal. Yeah, you know like I said, it
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  was my first coaching job. I feel like I learned a lot, you
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  know, looking back at it, you know.
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  Now there's probably a lot of things I did.
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  Wrong. But you know, that was kind of
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  to get my feet wet. I feel like, you know, I learned
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  how to manage a team learned a little bit about recruiting, so,
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  you know, really have never recruited before that.
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  So it's kind of a learning experience and I was there for
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  two years so I think I learned a lot in those two years and what
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  were you doing at this time for coaching education?
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  So you the only coach in that you know how to coach that.
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  You have at this point is what dr.
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  Her and Coach Snyder taught you and then you know, High School
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  coach, Etc. But not really a fight.
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  You know, you didn't major in coaching, which I think there is
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  a major and coaching, but in a major and in track coaching.
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  But so, what were you doing? Anything at this point for Coach
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  Edge? Like, how are you coming up with
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  workouts and what to do the kids and things like that?
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  Yeah. So luckily, you know, I had no
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  coach her on Koechner that I could go back pick their brain.
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  They literally probably two of the most organized people, you
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  know, coach her, at the end of every cross country.
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  Season has a booklet and has every single workout race,
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  everything in there with all the splits, We're kind of in that
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  that's kind of, you know, propelled into my coaching that,
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  you know, data the numbers, they're all there.
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  You could give me stuff from the past 10 years that I kind of
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  look at it and kind of build a program off of.
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  So they were there kind of to God means those early years.
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  Any coaching clinics or? Yeah, you know, like you would
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  call up your in the Pennsylvania.
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  I'm gonna be the southern guy that doesn't know how to blog
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  about Pennsylvania, New York, she called Jack Daniels.
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  I know he's in New York or Courtland or something like
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  that, that may be a thousand miles from me for all I know,
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  but I don't call him but I have the jack in his book, of course
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  they exactly. Yep.
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  And so resources on coaches need to have no, but I definitely had
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  a few clinics up. We go to one like every
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  December. I would usually go with coach.
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  Ryder. He has to know we would you know
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  there was a clinic so I did some online stuff.
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  I got some certification stuff like that but was there ever in
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  that? Just up to this point?
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  It's kind of curious because I'm a huge coaching educate each and
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  proponent was when I coached I was the certification.
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  Junkie back then we only had usatf side level 1 and several
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  level twos and stuff. I didn't have these great like
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  Altis and u.s. tfcc a, and they're just so much now, which
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  is awesome in lots of care clinics and stuff.
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  Was there ever when you done different clinics.
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  And you've heard different people speak inside of education
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  and at clinics and stuff. Has there ever been someone that
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  said something that, like, click 3, like, wow, I've never thought
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  about it like that. Like I need to look into that
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  more was ever like anything like that.
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  So let me think I went to, you know, the same clinic in New
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  Jersey area for I think we want like five years.
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  Heard. A lots of great speakers, Carl
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  Lewis was there one year. No, probably the best speaker.
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  I actually heard was Judd. Logan.
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  Oh, yeah. Who's you know?
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  Not even a distance guy. He's a throws, right?
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  But his message, you know, really didn't pertain to, you
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  know, the track and field. It was, you know how he
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  approaches athletes. You know, he wanted to be like
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  the light Giver, he just kind of, you know, give them that
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  path and teach them away and, you know, that and, you know,
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  that's kind of how my coaches were that's, you know, it
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  related to me so. Well, his talk was just
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  phenomenal in that sense. And you were able, this is going
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  to sound terrible, but I know this happens.
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  You were able to receive that message.
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  Even as I mean, that's too pretty, you know, far on the
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  Spectrum events groups for us, right?
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  So throws and Jed. Logan is a God Rest, his soul
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  just a hyper culture. We had him on the podcast and
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  CEO of all about cultures, what we talked about because that's
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  he just built an amazing culture at Ashland.
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  And, you know, he's famous for these videos of their weight
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  room and, you know, Bashan chairs, I don't see, I've never
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  met distance coach, that would come close to that kind of
• 18:41
  intensity. Not talking about, you know,
• 18:44
  caring for athletes and things like that.
• 18:45
  But you were able to receive that.
• 18:47
  Even as a, I must say, even as a distance coach, that's a terror.
• 18:50
  Let's put you down, I'm so sorry.
• 18:51
  But over on this spectrum of more of, you know, methodical 10
• 18:54
  years, writing out, you know, those kind of things you were
• 18:57
  able to receive that and see like, oh wait a minute, that's
• 18:59
  what's important to me. I need to do more of that.
• 19:01
  Or what, how did they--how did it kind of hit you different?
• 19:04
  Yeah. No, I mean, Isn't easy Master.
• 19:06
  See like I said it didn't matter, you know event wise you
• 19:08
  know if it's throws distance. You know at the end of the day
• 19:12
  if you're going to be a good coach it's about the athletes.
• 19:16
  You know, I'm big and you know, the personal connection, you
• 19:19
  know, the athletes, you know, he you know, he's a big like you
• 19:21
  said, culture guy, athletes have to have buy-in, they have to
• 19:24
  trust you. If they don't trust you, you're
• 19:27
  not going to get the best out of them, and it's a two-way street,
• 19:30
  you know, you can't know to say you're the coach and the
• 19:33
  dictator. Yeah.
• 19:34
  I mean there's days where you Have to tell them what's going
• 19:35
  on, but there they got to be able to give you that feedback
• 19:38
  to and have some insight. You just described Parenthood
• 19:41
  to, right? You got to be, you know, you got
• 19:44
  to lay down the law with your kids sometimes.
• 19:46
  But boy, you've got to be the one that there is loving on them
• 19:49
  talking about their day, picking them up when they fall down.
• 19:52
  I mean you just described Parenthood.
• 19:54
  That's, that's a very great picture to coaching profession.
• 19:59
  Maybe I'll be ready for Parenthood when that when that
• 20:01
  day comes then so yeah, it don't rush, I got two of them.
• 20:04
  Yes, ma'am. Okay, that's awesome.
• 20:08
  I love that you got a chance to hear, Judd, Logan and in person
• 20:11
  because one of the best people that ever walked this Earth.
• 20:14
  So I'm just so humbled that we were able to have him early user
• 20:17
  0, g Gil, connections podcast, one of the top first 30 to 40, I
• 20:23
  think guess we had. So, he took a chance on us when
• 20:26
  we when we were nothing the podcast World, okay?
• 20:29
  So two years at Chatham University.
• 20:33
  I don't want to say you're a 50/50.
• 20:35
  SI D coach because I know some weeks, you probably 90%.
• 20:38
  SI D, 10% coach, and vice versa, Etc.
• 20:41
  Are you hooked? Now, is this like, at this
• 20:43
  point? Are you like, yeah, I'm a coach,
• 20:45
  I'm just searching for the right program or programs at this
• 20:48
  point. I would say, yeah, I was pretty
• 20:52
  hooked. The first year was it was a
• 20:55
  struggle for me. I can tell you that because I
• 20:57
  came from, you know, st. Vincent, which is, you know, we
• 21:00
  were, you know, pretty pretty decent program.
• 21:03
  You know today? I mean during my time we so they
• 21:06
  were in a transition, my early years from NAIA to division.
• 21:09
  Three. So we were not eligible my first
• 21:12
  two years but my Junior and senior one.
• 21:14
  Our conference title, I think we went on a streak of winning
• 21:17
  seven, straight years. So it's been a pretty good
• 21:21
  program and I went to a program that was at the very bottom.
• 21:26
  So whenever you do that you know, it's it's a little bit
• 21:28
  different. It's not what you're used to but
• 21:31
  like I said, I learned a lot and I'm not one to ever give up on a
• 21:36
  task. So I just kept plugging along.
• 21:38
  Why not chat him to Chatham? Was previously an all-women's
• 21:41
  school and it was converting, so I actually recruited the first
• 21:45
  men's program to so interesting. Yeah, what that's I.
• 21:51
  I've never encountered that, you know, the transition from women
• 21:56
  to co-ed on the athletic side as you were going through that,
• 22:00
  what were some of the struggles with that you already admitted?
• 22:03
  And I want to dig in that to is about struggling as far as
• 22:05
  coaching, right? So I'd love to learn more about
• 22:08
  that as well, but you get this all-women's school.
• 22:11
  That now, is adding men and so there and men's sports, how did
• 22:14
  that that? I don't know.
• 22:16
  I don't know if that feels like that.
• 22:17
  Be super hard but I also You know, the sex is send me when it
• 22:20
  goes on. Was easy.
• 22:21
  Getting guys to come to a talker.
• 22:22
  You know, what was that transition?
• 22:26
  Like it was a difficult one. I want to say in our first year,
• 22:32
  I think we only had 31 guys, that came in and, you know, six
• 22:38
  of them are cross-country guys. And I think the rest of them
• 22:41
  were basketball players, so there wasn't many men at the
• 22:45
  school. So, you know, it was Building
• 22:49
  period. And you know, I think they're
• 22:50
  still to date. You know, playing catch up
• 22:53
  there. I think they're getting closer
• 22:55
  to a ratio that you would see but it took a while for it to
• 22:58
  kind of take off with the men there.
• 23:01
  And what you mentioned kind of struggle in that first year, you
• 23:05
  already expressed, you know, about coming from a successful
• 23:08
  program to rebuilding new kind of program, was it when you
• 23:12
  said, you know, it's not what you were used to, you know,
• 23:14
  you're used to either winning or being in the hunt for
• 23:17
  championships, was it the the lack of winning that, that was
• 23:22
  weighing on you, or what was the actual weigh in on you?
• 23:24
  What would it be? Yeah, you know, cross-country,
• 23:28
  you know, it's interact to it's a team sport but it's also kind
• 23:31
  of individualized, in a way to, you know, from a team component,
• 23:35
  you know, used to being competitive used to, you know,
• 23:38
  running in the beach big meats and, you know, be able to be in
• 23:41
  the front pack, we didn't have that.
• 23:44
  So I had to kind of learn to, you know, which you know I said
• 23:47
  it was a useful thing for me. Is to compare, you know, this
• 23:52
  Runner to this Runner to this Runner you know, just compare
• 23:54
  them to their self and see the progress in them because I know
• 23:59
  you're not the end of day if we're getting better, that's all
• 24:02
  we can do. You know, I can magically have,
• 24:04
  you know five you know 1718 Fly Girls show up and run for us but
• 24:10
  I can take what I have and make them a little bit better.
• 24:13
  That's what I was wondering. You know, it's funny with
• 24:16
  coaching because on one side of the coin will talk about the
• 24:19
  people. And, you know, it's Joey and
• 24:21
  John and Talus and Tina but then we talked about, well, we
• 24:26
  weren't winning so we, you know, it wasn't enjoyable and I know
• 24:29
  winning is a, you know, I'm not dismissing winning and saying
• 24:32
  it's superficial but to your point there, if Tina is going
• 24:35
  from 21-minute 5K to 2030. Hey man, you've done him.
• 24:40
  That's coaching right there, that's that.
• 24:41
  We're not all. To win and most of us, by the
• 24:43
  way, most of us are not going to win winning this hard.
• 24:47
  There's only one in every week a petition that we go to.
• 24:51
  So so it's always interesting, you know, when new coaches,
• 24:55
  especially are going into it because because because
• 24:57
  sometimes we get so excited about coaching and it's like, oh
• 24:59
  man, I'm gonna be so awesome. Like, I had great mentors.
• 25:02
  I was an okay athlete, like, oh, man, I'm gonna go take over the
• 25:05
  world and then you realize again, winning is hard.
• 25:08
  There's a lot of things that go into it, so, is interesting, the
• 25:11
  mental side of it for you as As a, you know, you really a rookie
• 25:13
  coach at this point. Yeah.
• 25:16
  Now it's it takes some, some adjustment for sure.
• 25:19
  Yeah. When you were struggling with
• 25:22
  coaching and I might be over playing when you said you were
• 25:25
  struggling. At that point, I'm kind of in my
• 25:27
  head thinking like you're like, oh maybe this isn't what I
• 25:29
  should be doing. Maybe I should be either guess
• 25:31
  ID full-time or find another job, Etc.
• 25:33
  And I got a communications degree.
• 25:34
  I can find a lot of jobs. Who did you reach out to anybody
• 25:39
  during that time? I breakfast coach Snyder, coach
• 25:43
  Snyder. He is he's still there in the
• 25:47
  kind of, you know, talk to me off it, you know.
• 25:48
  Yeah. He was during his time, he was
• 25:52
  in a gym teacher throughout, you know, coach high school track,
• 25:56
  most of his time. He arrived at Saint Vincent the
• 25:59
  year before I got there. So he was there in 2007 would
• 26:03
  have been his first year at st. Vincent.
• 26:06
  So ya know, he knew what coaching could bring to the
• 26:09
  table, so And not trying to distill the legacy of what,
• 26:13
  coach Snyder meant to you and to those around you because, you
• 26:18
  know, how he affects, you affects others, right?
• 26:21
  So, not to distill it down to like a cliche quote, but was
• 26:24
  there ever like a, the best advice he ever gave you?
• 26:27
  There was a one-liner where there was an attitude
• 26:29
  adjustment, what was there ever? An see, you reckon your brain
• 26:33
  thinking of like because he probably had so many but was
• 26:35
  like one that you're like, oh my gosh, Schneider, you man.
• 26:37
  You nailed me. Thank you, man.
• 26:39
  There was, there's so many. Um, I don't know if I can just
• 26:42
  pull one here. Oh good.
• 26:48
  Yeah, I don't lie. Don't know if I can just pull
• 26:53
  water, that's there. It's so many along the way, you
• 26:56
  know, it was the, you know, the life lessons throughout our
• 27:00
  cross country season, you know, whenever we had, you know, his
• 27:06
  no little funeral get-together thing here, you know, we talked
• 27:10
  a little bit and Coach her mangino.
• 27:12
  He ran the program for so long. And then Coach Snyder came from
• 27:15
  a high school program to him. And he asked, you know, early on
• 27:18
  if he could read, you know, a paper to the team and it's
• 27:22
  called lessons from geese and it's just, you know, a little
• 27:26
  poem and you know, coach her all he said, you know, like these
• 27:29
  guys aren't going to listen to your reading.
• 27:30
  It's, you know, a bunch of college guys stuff like that.
• 27:33
  And it was one of those most immuno, impactful things you
• 27:37
  would hear every year, and you kind of look forward to it.
• 27:39
  You know, it's, you know, talking about you The geese fly
• 27:41
  in a V formation to help each other out how they trade-off
• 27:44
  that, you know, kind of corresponds with cross-country
• 27:46
  racing and right. All right.
• 27:47
  I never you know, when we're doing hard workouts and we see
• 27:49
  the geese flying above us, you know, it gives you a little more
• 27:51
  juice. What that's really awesome.
• 27:55
  We're going to look into that lessons from geese, right?
• 27:57
  Yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 27:58
  I can, I can I have a copy? I'll send it to you after they
• 28:00
  all do that. Please please, please.
• 28:01
  Yeah, we have geese right outside of our building.
• 28:04
  Let me tell you what. I don't like their lessons at
• 28:06
  all. Yeah, we don't we don't like
• 28:08
  them on a cross-country trip sometimes.
• 28:11
  All right, so two years at Chatham University.
• 28:13
  Where do we go next? And why?
• 28:15
  Yeah, so st. Vincent was, you know, a split
• 28:18
  job then it was a men's program went women's program and the
• 28:21
  women's Coach retired. So that kind of opened up an
• 28:25
  opportunity for me to come back. It was kind of a no-brainer for
• 28:28
  me, it's where I wanted to be. So I came back, I took the
• 28:32
  woman's job in 2015. So I was with men's
• 28:37
  cross-country indoor track outdoor track on the women's
• 28:40
  side and then holes it 2019. I took over Men's Track for
• 28:47
  indoor and outdoor. So I became the head of all
• 28:49
  track. And like I said, this upcoming
• 28:51
  fall, I'll take over men's cross country as well.
• 28:53
  So, I've conned a evolved over the years here, the take over
• 28:57
  more responsibility. So, how many years help me with
• 28:59
  timeline between when you graduated and came back as the
• 29:03
  with? Yeah.
• 29:04
  So, Is it? 2015 grad and then I came back
• 29:08
  at our 2012 Grand, I came back 2015.
• 29:10
  So there's about a three year window there.
• 29:12
  So we're not many kids. That would have been on the team
• 29:16
  with you. We're still there.
• 29:18
  No. There wasn't many there.
• 29:19
  Yeah. So more of the wrinkle to the
• 29:22
  story. There is so I met my wife here.
• 29:24
  She also ran cross country in elementary teacher during the
• 29:27
  day, but she's also an assistant on my staff.
• 29:31
  She did wrong with some of those girls in the earlier years.
• 29:35
  You know that first year of coaching whenever you know shoot
• 29:38
  she was on the staff and round some of the girls have made a
• 29:40
  little bit difficult. But yeah.
• 29:42
  Yeah. And so you said it was a
• 29:44
  no-brainer. And again, I've ever told you
• 29:48
  you're my heart for alums that work at their home honor but
• 29:51
  it's not a no-brainer for everybody, right?
• 29:53
  Some people want to get away from what undergrad was.
• 29:56
  Whether it was a good or bad experience.
• 29:58
  What was it? That was a no-brainer for you.
• 30:03
  You know I say st. Vincent is home for me, you
• 30:06
  know, I, you know, I talked about my coaches but even the
• 30:08
  whole Community, it changed me as a person without going into
• 30:13
  it too much. And I came from kind of a rough
• 30:16
  childhood broken home. I didn't have those figures that
• 30:19
  I needed, that's why st. Vincent, you know, meant a lot
• 30:21
  of people embraced, me changed my perspective on the life.
• 30:25
  You know. I say, you know, the three most
• 30:27
  influential people in my life were coach her, coach Snyder.
• 30:31
  My wife, all three were involved at st.
• 30:34
  Vincent's, that's kind of why, you know, every day, when I'm
• 30:37
  coming back on campus to work, it's, you know, truly the
• 30:39
  greatest place I could be, yeah, I can relate to that same.
• 30:43
  As far as the upbringing and during my undergrad in undergrad
• 30:46
  coaching at Troy, our head coach, they are Bob Lambert is
• 30:50
  now passed away. Same right.
• 30:52
  Like just changed my I gave me something that I'd been may be
• 30:55
  searching for my whole life in regards to a father figure
• 30:59
  didn't judge. Just love me.
• 31:01
  You know allowed me to do what I loved coaching track and field
• 31:04
  and yeah that makes a lot of sense.
• 31:05
  So you know we talked about kids maybe in the future so you know
• 31:09
  Troy University were Bob Lambert was my son's name is Troy.
• 31:13
  So when you if you have a boy you got to name them Saint.
• 31:17
  I mean Vincent Vincent Vincent do don't you say yeah?
• 31:21
  We'll see about that so you not Troy Alabama?
• 31:24
  Of course? Yes.
• 31:26
  So that's where I'm currently pursuing.
• 31:27
  My PhD from, is that right? I knew there was something
• 31:31
  Special about you Kevin, you know, Troy alums whether it's
• 31:35
  undergrad, grad or PhD, their different, their leaders, their
• 31:40
  the top of their class that is amazing.
• 31:42
  What are you getting your PhD in sports management, man?
• 31:46
  Yeah, I would the I stopped it undergrad because I can't even
• 31:49
  spell PhD. That is amazing.
• 31:51
  Is that right? Yep.
• 31:52
  And that's, that's dr. Hers doing there a little bit
• 31:55
  and, you know, my wife to people that have kind of, like, I said,
• 31:57
  push me along the way, maybe still have more st.
• 32:00
  Vincent started. A Sports Management program.
• 32:02
  So I'm trying to get my PhD so I can become a professor to, oh,
• 32:06
  wow. You know, you will be when you
• 32:08
  get your PhD in a very unique alumni of Troy University.
• 32:13
  So maybe the most famous is me, but then we have DeMarcus Ware,
• 32:18
  okay? Yeah, o co manyara played for
• 32:21
  the Giants. Right?
• 32:23
  Little known fact. Good friend of mine.
• 32:25
  Justin Gatlin. You know Justin by name.
• 32:28
  Yeah he got his undergrad degree.
• 32:30
  He. At Troy University, I've been
• 32:34
  petitioning to change our hundred-meter world record.
• 32:37
  I'm sorry. 100 meter School record to Justin's PR.
• 32:39
  I figure he's an Alum that you just it should just count.
• 32:42
  They're not going to go for it but whatever.
• 32:44
  And now you that's an illustrious and Charles Oliver,
• 32:48
  by the way coach. Oh I know you listen to me.
• 32:51
  They're great Alum, that's awesome.
• 32:52
  And I love that, that's the best.
• 32:55
  I'm like my whole day is made now because I know another Troy
• 32:58
  student in future Alum. So Let's talk about st.
• 33:02
  Vincent's. You've been there now?
• 33:03
  Which they say, 2015. Yes, this is your seven here.
• 33:07
  Seven in Crazy, your seven right in his in regards to coming off
• 33:11
  a 20 and 21. So, talk to me about st.
• 33:13
  Vincent, tell us, little bit more about the program for those
• 33:16
  of us who just don't know anything.
• 33:17
  It is di 3 we're in Pennsylvania.
• 33:20
  Yeah, D3. We're in the presence Athletic
• 33:22
  Conference. You know, like I said we've kind
• 33:25
  of been rich in, you know, men's cross country tradition.
• 33:28
  You know, it's kind of where it's actually been our most
• 33:30
  successful. You on campus, as far as
• 33:33
  Conference titles, bunch of individual Champions had a few,
• 33:38
  you know, National qualifiers along the way, all Americans.
• 33:42
  So, you know, the program has done pretty well in that sense
• 33:45
  on the men's side, from middle distance to distance.
• 33:49
  You know, I'm slowly trying to get the women's program up to
• 33:52
  that speed. You know, you talked about
• 33:55
  covid, kind of thrown a little bit of wrench and some things
• 33:57
  there. That's a, that's a big wrench.
• 33:59
  No little wrench yeah. No, little Definitely an impact.
• 34:03
  Like I said, I learned a lot. And I feel like over this last
• 34:13
  year, was probably my biggest growth year as far as learning,
• 34:16
  right? So, you know, recruiting is a
• 34:21
  difficult thing and I feel like past year I've started to get it
• 34:25
  a little bit you know I know what what we have.
• 34:28
  I can say well we have to offer to st.
• 34:30
  Vincent's so special to me. How do you portray that message
• 34:33
  to know to a potential recruit? So, you know, I'm very excited
• 34:38
  for what our future is looking like we have a good class coming
• 34:40
  in and you know, we have a current team that's already kind
• 34:44
  of ready to go. So it's going to be an exciting
• 34:45
  future for us. How many students and what's
• 34:48
  kind of the yes, our most popular Majors.
• 34:52
  Yeah. So we're let me think we're
• 34:53
  right around 1600 undergrad. As far as Majors business is
• 34:59
  strong in our school. Our signs, there's a kind of
• 35:03
  second to none in our area, we were really great in scientists,
• 35:08
  you know, especially people trying to go to med school,
• 35:09
  stuff like that. We've been very successful on
• 35:11
  both our men and women's cross country team in that area.
• 35:14
  I should probably say education to her.
• 35:17
  My wife would be upset with me. Our education program is very
• 35:21
  good. We've had some people, you know,
• 35:22
  out of our program come from there to so-and-so, back to the
• 35:26
  coaching side, the 3-ton. Take that pain, we talked about.
• 35:30
  So what's it like, Like, you talked about, I believe, let's
• 35:33
  make correct me if I'm wrong. Coach, her doctor, her coach,
• 35:36
  the women cross-country said, no.
• 35:39
  He was only on the men who you're taking over.
• 35:42
  It was a coach Snyder know. So his name was Tom Harvard.
• 35:46
  He would. It was a complete kind of split
• 35:49
  of program. Yeah so he so Tom didn't coach
• 35:52
  you though. He did not know God.
• 35:54
  Okay, so I was, I was curious about, you know, you said he was
• 35:57
  a longtime coach of the women's cross country program.
• 35:59
  Now you're going to be taken over and is like, oh well,
• 36:00
  what's that like Taken over someone.
• 36:02
  Okay with it was Tom who. Yeah.
• 36:04
  Who started the program? Who was also someone.
• 36:06
  That was here for, you know, decades.
• 36:07
  Yeah, we're and he was the first coach of the program and kind of
• 36:10
  ran until then, gotcha, gotcha. So, let's focus on if it's okay.
• 36:15
  And you, you know, you you run the show here.
• 36:18
  Meaning, if you don't wanna talk about it, you just tell me to
• 36:19
  move on, and I'll move right on. You mentioned, your wife, you
• 36:22
  met your wife there at st. Vincent.
• 36:25
  And she's now a tell you see, an elementary school teacher, third
• 36:28
  grade. Yeah, tell her she's probably
• 36:30
  listening. God bless you.
• 36:31
  You know, I've got a going into 6th and third grade I think
• 36:36
  she's not a third-grade, it's terrible.
• 36:37
  I don't know what buried my kids are in, but we just I mean now
• 36:40
  that when you have kids and you actually have to interact with
• 36:42
  teachers as a parent, not just as when you were a kid you see
• 36:46
  what they go through. What they do on a daily basis?
• 36:48
  The love that they pour in the kids your wife God bless her.
• 36:53
  We need more people and seriously we need more teachers.
• 36:57
  Were we have a shortage? But God bless you and what you
• 36:59
  do as a teacher and all you teachers Teachers that are
• 37:01
  listening because it is an unbelievable job.
• 37:05
  You're amazing, it's tough. You don't get thanked enough.
• 37:08
  So just thank you. So thank you, Kevin to your wife
• 37:11
  as well for that. So what's it like you said,
• 37:13
  she's on staff. Now I'm always curious and we've
• 37:16
  had, you know, a few married couples on staff on the podcast
• 37:20
  before I'm always curious about that separation of work in life.
• 37:24
  You know, when I come home, my wife, Amy will ask me well how
• 37:28
  was work and I almost always give a very cursory It's like I
• 37:31
  was good and move on because if it was a tough day you know, I
• 37:35
  don't want to relive it by telling her, you know it, maybe
• 37:39
  that's just bad. I kind of internalized it I just
• 37:41
  keep an internal right, what's it like?
• 37:43
  Working with someone on your staff as far as you know, with
• 37:47
  is she on your staffers you volunteer on your staff because
• 37:50
  that's sometimes she's on the staff yet.
• 37:52
  Perfect. Okay before time how do you you
• 37:56
  go home and the same person that you you guys struggled together
• 38:00
  at practice that One day, you're the same people coming home and
• 38:03
  cook a dinner for each other and do in life.
• 38:05
  How do you? I must ask you this way.
• 38:08
  How do you separate it? If you even do separate it, I
• 38:11
  don't think we do separate it. You know, I would say when we're
• 38:15
  at home, we know we talked about running, you know, it's an
• 38:18
  important part of our life. Like we said, we don't try to
• 38:22
  get to to up and down on, you know, what's going good and
• 38:25
  what's going, you know, bad in the program, it's more about the
• 38:28
  people that's kind of our biggest As you know, we try to
• 38:32
  be here for athletes. We were fortunate enough that we
• 38:36
  live, you know, five minutes from campus.
• 38:38
  So if someone needs something kind of get up to campus, you
• 38:41
  know, there's been, you know, multiple those calls stuff like
• 38:43
  that, you know, at the end of the day, we're both doing it
• 38:46
  because, you know, one, we'd love seeing Vincent into, you
• 38:50
  know, running was a very important part of us while we
• 38:53
  were here. We want to, you know, give that
• 38:55
  to our athletes as well. And you mentioned running is
• 38:58
  still an important part of your life.
• 39:00
  And it's not just in Coaching you are you still running?
• 39:04
  Trying to trying to? Yeah well before he record
• 39:07
  actually you're just talking about.
• 39:08
  We have commiserated with our Achilles tendons now because I'm
• 39:12
  getting close to having surgery. My man here.
• 39:15
  You tore your achille. That's a whole different
• 39:17
  ballgame before you get to that. So tell me about your running
• 39:20
  now you what do you do on the track?
• 39:22
  Donate hundreds or what are you doing?
• 39:24
  No I'm probably you know going out just two or three days a
• 39:27
  week just you know 56 miles here.
• 39:31
  I need to get a little bit better.
• 39:32
  I'd like to, you know, once the team gets back on campus here
• 39:35
  I'll probably run a little bit more at them and then I'll get
• 39:37
  my mileage up but you know, hopefully I can get back in that
• 39:40
  45. 50 mile range here. Soon and distance guys.
• 39:43
  It's a different breed man. Yeah right.
• 39:47
  You're running has caused you a little bit to be kind of an
• 39:51
  Internet Star as well. Sources, tell me by the way,
• 39:55
  he's my source, so it's no secret here, talk to us about
• 39:58
  that. How you became internet famous
• 40:00
  if you will. Yeah, so I ran the Boston
• 40:04
  Marathon crazy 2019. Okay.
• 40:08
  Um, I, you know, didn't have the race that I wanted.
• 40:13
  Had some Surly struggles mouth three had a calf cramp kind of
• 40:16
  you know kind of roughed it through about 10 miles and as
• 40:19
  well as on the day I had, I kind of figured you know where he's
• 40:21
  going to finish today. You know, I turn, you know, on
• 40:25
  Boylston Street and, you know, I, you know, see the finished in
• 40:27
  sight, see a guy kind of just staggering a little bit, you
• 40:31
  know, and that's, you know, kind of typical in a marathon.
• 40:33
  You know people's legs might be given out but he was a little
• 40:35
  bit were? Yeah.
• 40:36
  I can imagine what I would be looking like at that point.
• 40:39
  Sure. Yeah.
• 40:40
  But he was a little bit worse than that and I could kind of
• 40:42
  see it. So I kind of went over to check
• 40:44
  on him and he just you kind of tell you know, when that Runner
• 40:46
  he just wasn't there. So I started to help him, you
• 40:49
  know, maybe 50 yards later, another guy helped him, we held
• 40:52
  him across the finish line. And, and, you know, of course,
• 40:54
  they got captured on TV on all, you know, social media.
• 41:00
  So, you know, I, you know, get back to my, I didn't have
• 41:04
  anything on me and get back to, you know, our Airbnb and my
• 41:07
  phones. They're not have, you know, 80
• 41:09
  or 90 messages of people seeing me on TV.
• 41:12
  So from, so it was a little bit crazy for me at that time.
• 41:18
  Wow. I mean, so people this, it was
• 41:21
  one of those that, like, you know, the feel-good moment that
• 41:23
  blew up. Yeah, I know you can say that
• 41:26
  and, you know, kind of like I said during the interview
• 41:29
  process, you know, I wasn't doing it for any of that, you
• 41:34
  know. I'm just trying to help a fellow
• 41:35
  to run World stuff like that, you know, because I, you know,
• 41:38
  if I was in the situation, I hope someone would have done the
• 41:40
  same for me. Yeah.
• 41:42
  So, so I love that. That was the story.
• 41:45
  I couldn't hear what the actual story was, because I'm terrible.
• 41:48
  But this, so because this is what helps us lead to things
• 41:52
  that may have value for listeners, right?
• 41:54
  So let's have this conversation. Station Kevin and we see this, I
• 41:57
  don't want to see the slot that we see this at times
• 42:00
  specifically, in distance, cross country and distance races.
• 42:06
  And what I mean by this is we see an athlete struggling during
• 42:09
  a race. Now, you were doing it in the
• 42:12
  Boston Marathon, you weren't in the elite group actually, I
• 42:16
  didn't ask you where, you know, Lie group I wasn't.
• 42:20
  You know, with the elite group I was in.
• 42:22
  I was in the first phase behind them.
• 42:23
  That's a lie to me. But you weren't you weren't in
• 42:25
  the, you know, the guys that are running to 10 like trying to get
• 42:28
  a paycheck off of it right now. It's not good.
• 42:31
  So I'm going to call it at fear of upsetting you and offending.
• 42:34
  You kid. I'm going to call it.
• 42:36
  You were in a recreational spot especially because you said you
• 42:39
  weren't you were struggling. So you are PR in that day.
• 42:42
  I'll now, right? And you help someone that to me
• 42:44
  is different. That is humanitarian that's
• 42:48
  while you were in a race. That's to me is I'm jogging what
• 42:52
  a great scenario. Me jogging not ever going to
• 42:54
  happen by the way. But we're jogging in our
• 42:56
  neighborhood and we see someone struggling, and we would go up
• 42:58
  to help like that would be automatic, like, it would be, if
• 43:02
  you didn't do it. I'd look at you, like, why
• 43:03
  didn't they help? What's wrong with this person?
• 43:05
  Right, I'm talking about, we're in a cross-country.
• 43:08
  Me, it's the state meet. We're at the 2-mile at the state
• 43:12
  meet, and you're coming down the homestretch.
• 43:14
  Whether you're in first second third.
• 43:17
  Yeah, first thing, let's put for a second there because I've seen
• 43:18
  this happen, I've read about this happening in an athlete
• 43:22
  struggle and they stopped to help the athlete up.
• 43:25
  Up to help finish just good or bad.
• 43:28
  And I was just over there and then we'll add two.
• 43:31
  Is that good or bad? I think it's good.
• 43:35
  You know, I think, you know you talk about, you see it more in
• 43:37
  distance races because you know, because there are hundreds of
• 43:40
  little too quick and there was anybody stop for some who busted
• 43:43
  a hammy in the hundred. Yeah, but but we've seen a one
• 43:46
  of the most famous. This was an athlete, but one of
• 43:48
  the more famous ones was the Great Britain quarter mile ER in
• 43:52
  the 96 Olympics, where his dad came down Help that and that is
• 43:56
  also different that was Dad, right?
• 43:57
  But certainly no those competitors stopped and if they
• 44:00
  would have stopped to help him. Say I'm on the side that it's
• 44:04
  not good because I'm gonna meet. I'm a mean Grinch.
• 44:07
  No heart guy, I guess. So.
• 44:09
  Why is it good? Yeah, no I think it's different.
• 44:11
  If you know you're in that top three like but we've seen that
• 44:16
  we have seen and you know what, to those People's Credit that is
• 44:19
  some of the highest character you can have and Sir, agreed.
• 44:24
  And I think I think that's part of the sport wherein you know
• 44:27
  like I say track and field and cross country is I mean the
• 44:31
  greatest sport non-biased. Sorry.
• 44:33
  So many great people you know. Yeah I care and maybe that is
• 44:38
  the difference because I would always equate that let's use a
• 44:42
  football example, the receiver falls down the defensive back
• 44:48
  ain't picking them up now. That's part I don't care if the
• 44:51
  guys injured or not like it's like good, he's down, he's not
• 44:54
  able to make a play. You know, saying, and so, I
• 44:56
  always wonder what that example of will choose the two miles in
• 45:01
  his bowl upon a kid cost themselves and their team a
• 45:04
  place because they stopped to help someone on one hand, I'm
• 45:07
  with you. It's like man character that
• 45:10
  person that kid cares more about the her kid, then their own
• 45:14
  cells, come on. And then once you try to teach
• 45:17
  everyday plead, so on that I'm like, check, that's awesome.
• 45:22
  Another hand. I'm like, yeah, this is
• 45:23
  Athletics. This is competition.
• 45:25
  Ian so I struggle with it. Maybe I'm not 100% on the other
• 45:28
  side but I struggle with that be in the praise because I'd rather
• 45:31
  the praise be kid, runs the Twins and their runs a fast time
• 45:35
  or their tea, helps her team in the championship etcetera but it
• 45:38
  becomes this like I'm gonna tear you guys are going to send me
• 45:42
  hate tweets I just know it because it's like Kumbaya like,
• 45:45
  oh it's okay. As long as we all participate in
• 45:48
  a job, I think you're onto something there, you know, it's
• 45:51
  kind of kind of that participation trophy type thing.
• 45:54
  It's, you know, Your date still competition.
• 45:57
  You're okay to tell, don't BBS on me.
• 45:59
  Kevin, if you think I'm wrong, you tell me it's okay to
• 46:01
  challenge me. It's all right.
• 46:02
  Well, I see published this, I promise, I see I see both sides
• 46:05
  that are and that's why I try to see both sides to everything.
• 46:08
  Well this guy is going to be a politician, one day.
• 46:13
  I was really good. Kevin, that was good.
• 46:15
  No, I was just curious because I love what you did and I love
• 46:20
  that what you did and the Boston Marathon did blow up, not
• 46:24
  because it was for you. You or any accolades for you
• 46:26
  although you did get some and I'm that's awesome.
• 46:29
  You should because that's the kind of things we should lift
• 46:32
  up. We should lift up humans helping
• 46:34
  other humans, right? Because right now you turn on
• 46:36
  the news and it's humans doing bad things, the other humans,
• 46:39
  right? So I love that man.
• 46:40
  I'm glad that you that they was caught on camera and I'm glad
• 46:43
  that people recognized it. And, and I'm okay with you being
• 46:46
  embarrassed a little bit about it because it shows your
• 46:49
  humility, but I think it's a good thing man.
• 46:51
  Really, and it shows your character by the way.
• 46:54
  Thanks I appreciate it. Yeah, so what do you got
• 46:56
  excited? What's got you excited about
• 46:58
  seeing Vincent, man? We're we just finished up 2022
• 47:02
  when this is published World Champ.
• 47:03
  Still be going on. Has to be.
• 47:05
  I think so World. Champs is going on right now
• 47:08
  where your eyes are focused towards 2023 cross-country.
• 47:11
  The new women's cross-country class and teams under your
• 47:14
  direction which what's got you excited?
• 47:18
  I think just the you know the overall hold direction of our
• 47:20
  program where we're going you know going to try to hopefully
• 47:23
  you know put another good recruiting class together.
• 47:27
  Everything's looking pretty good early in the summer that getting
• 47:29
  some good contact. I'm excited for this fall, do
• 47:33
  for the cross country season. I think our guys are going to
• 47:35
  have pretty special team, our women are very young, but I
• 47:40
  think they're going to be able to do something that we haven't
• 47:42
  done in a while. No, I'm super excited.
• 47:47
  Take that and then we'll kind of springboard and track and see
• 47:49
  where out with that from the Trackside.
• 47:52
  You know, like I talked about we're trying to grow the
• 47:54
  program, right? Talk about that had a handful
• 47:56
  of, you know, just sprinters jumpers throwers that are on
• 47:59
  campus. You know, we're trying to start
• 48:02
  looking at recruiting people onto our campus for those events
• 48:05
  instead of just picking off campus.
• 48:07
  So yeah, we're actually in the process of hiring a full-time
• 48:10
  assistant, and jumps. That's kind of, you know, been a
• 48:15
  little bit the summer. It's not been the greatest.
• 48:17
  This process to date. We've had a few people back out
• 48:22
  stuff like that. So we had to reopen the search,
• 48:24
  so open the right person to come along.
• 48:27
  So talk to us as much as you can because when we start talking
• 48:29
  about personnel and Human Resources, you obviously,
• 48:32
  there's some things we just can't publicly state but more of
• 48:35
  is as the head coach? Is this your first time hiring?
• 48:38
  Yeah, this will be my first hire.
• 48:40
  Yeah, that fascinates me. Right?
• 48:41
  Because again this is something you didn't learn in college.
• 48:44
  Probably didn't discuss with Coach her.
• 48:47
  And Coach Snyder out of all the amazing conversations you
• 48:50
  probably didn't talk about how do you hire someone?
• 48:51
  How do you fire someone right now?
• 48:53
  What you're a bright guy when you find problems you go and
• 48:58
  figure out how to make solutions for them.
• 49:01
  So this is a problem meaning you've never hired before.
• 49:04
  What are you doing? Like there's plenty of people in
• 49:07
  your seat right now. Their first time head, coach has
• 49:09
  their first time able to hire an assistant coach for their
• 49:12
  program. It probably was pretty easy to
• 49:14
  hire your wife. Like I know where I trust her.
• 49:16
  Don't bring her on but now, You've got these strangers, you
• 49:19
  know, sitting in resumes that stuff.
• 49:21
  What have you done to learn about interview techniques
• 49:26
  resume analysis? What what what have you done to
• 49:29
  help you choose the right individual for the program?
• 49:33
  You know, I kind of assemble the staff within our department and
• 49:38
  they've kind of sat on the interview process with me.
• 49:40
  So it's just not, you know, my brain looking at these people.
• 49:43
  Yeah, interesting. I actually have our Sports info
• 49:45
  guy as one of them on there because you No.
• 49:48
  I mean he deals with a lot of coaches so like he's gonna be
• 49:49
  able to tell it, you know, I put my wife on their one because the
• 49:53
  person has failed to kind of work with both of us but she's
• 49:55
  usually a pretty good gauge of character.
• 49:59
  And luckily for me, our CFO was a sprinter / football player in
• 50:05
  college so he kind of gets the sprinting World a little bit,
• 50:08
  right? He's been sitting on some of the
• 50:09
  interviews to. So kind of got a good panel
• 50:12
  together, just trying to find, you know, the right person for
• 50:16
  us. I think.
• 50:17
  That is a really important lesson right there, instead of
• 50:20
  trying to do it on your own, you know who you want, you'll know
• 50:24
  who you feel in your gut to trust it cetera.
• 50:28
  Hey, you know what, I need some counsel here and I think that's
• 50:30
  that's a huge huge lesson there when you're doing these
• 50:35
  interviews and eat and even before that when you're
• 50:37
  reviewing who to do, maybe, I don't know if you do a first
• 50:40
  stage phone interview, or whatever, video interview, how
• 50:43
  much of it is. Are you asking about the X's and
• 50:46
  O's. So what is Your philosophy of
• 50:48
  coaching sprinters and jumpers and how much of it is maybe
• 50:52
  something else like character or communication leadership and
• 50:57
  maybe I'm missing something else.
• 50:58
  What what are you looking for as an assistant coach?
• 51:02
  Yeah, so the early you know, process has, you know, I look
• 51:04
  at, you know, all the kind of resumes and I do I've been doing
• 51:07
  kind of the first rounds kind of myself.
• 51:10
  I spend doing those through zoom in like I said the biggest
• 51:13
  things for me is one you know, can I work with this person?
• 51:15
  Because you let me share an office with Going to see him all
• 51:18
  the time to or they a good character person, you know,
• 51:22
  where they going to kind of fit the mold of Saint Vincent and be
• 51:25
  right for our student-athletes because I, you know, like I
• 51:27
  said, that's kind of the key of our program is they have to fit
• 51:30
  in here next, you know, I kind of value recruiting and I'm not
• 51:37
  saying they have to have ton of recruiting experience.
• 51:39
  It, can they go out and talk to, you know, high school kid, and
• 51:41
  get them interested because like I said, we're trying to grow a
• 51:44
  program here. And, you know, in order for them
• 51:47
  to be able to coach Ouch people, they're going to need to have
• 51:48
  people here. And like you said, coaching is,
• 51:51
  you know, probably forth on that list for me.
• 51:54
  And, you know, some people might think that's crazy but like you
• 51:56
  said, there's so many resources out there.
• 51:59
  As long as they're willing, there's a way you can learn.
• 52:02
  All right. All right.
• 52:04
  That's interesting because, you know, we kind of instinctively
• 52:07
  and I don't know that, it's necessarily the right instinct
• 52:10
  is oh yeah. Got to be the best coach in the
• 52:12
  world. It's like, well, you know, first
• 52:14
  of all, Define that. But how do you Be the best coach
• 52:18
  in the world, but you can't talk to your SSID, your CFO parents
• 52:22
  of recruits. Recruits Etc.
• 52:24
  High School coaches, Etc. So how are you sussing now?
• 52:28
  Because when you go in for an interview, we should be going in
• 52:33
  as ourselves like good and bad flaws and Perfections, right?
• 52:38
  Because if I come to you, Kevin to interview for your position
• 52:41
  and I'm not myself and you hire me.
• 52:45
  Well, you mentally going to find out who Myself really is and
• 52:48
  that might not become ascetic, right?
• 52:50
  But if I go and interview and I am who I am and you say, you
• 52:53
  know what, my I just I don't think it'd be a good fit, like
• 52:56
  that's a good thing. Like people think that is a bad
• 52:58
  things, like all you got rejected like oh no, thank
• 53:00
  goodness. You didn't go into a situation
• 53:02
  where you would have been miserable as well both of you
• 53:04
  both parties. So but but unfortunately,
• 53:07
  typically we go into interviews with the perfect.
• 53:12
  What's the word I'm looking for? Trying to be perfect?
• 53:14
  Trying to two things, one, how do I be?
• 53:17
  Again, Define that into how do I, what is Kevin one?
• 53:22
  How do how do I figure out what Kevin wants?
• 53:23
  And I'll act like that. So I can get the job and then
• 53:25
  now we'll figure it out. So how do you suspect you know,
• 53:29
  interview candidate versus Joe or who you know, Sally, whoever
• 53:34
  you're actually interview the person.
• 53:35
  How do you assess that out? No.
• 53:40
  I mean, you just kind of got to get the best read, you can.
• 53:43
  And, like I said, we, so, we actually, like, we went through
• 53:45
  the whole process, one time, the first guy, we were kind of
• 53:48
  interested in. He went back to his alma mater.
• 53:51
  I can't be disappointed with that.
• 53:52
  You know what I mean? Right, right.
• 53:54
  You know, I was happy for like, like, don't you cry?
• 53:57
  Don't you kind of low-key like that?
• 53:58
  Like yeah. Like, oh man, I picked the right
• 54:00
  person like, oh, this person would go back down.
• 54:02
  Of course. That's Captain I want, right?
• 54:04
  Yeah. I feel like it would have been
• 54:05
  an amazing fit but like, you know, I don't fault him.
• 54:10
  And the other person just didn't feel comfortable enough that
• 54:13
  they could do the recruiting side and like they openly told
• 54:16
  me that. And that's why they did it in
• 54:18
  like for my standpoint. You know, I was going to offer
• 54:21
  that person but they told me they did couldn't do it.
• 54:23
  So, you know, a long story kind of worked out probably for us,
• 54:25
  doesn't know as I say, hold on. We gotta dive in for this little
• 54:28
  bit as much as we can because that that's a win for for you.
• 54:33
  And that person you said that one of the top three things that
• 54:37
  you're looking for was recruiting Because Cuz I love
• 54:40
  how you said you like, if someone's going to Coachman
• 54:41
  Turtles, they need to recruit a team because when you got them,
• 54:43
  right. So, that's a top-three thing for
• 54:46
  you that person easily and maybe in a lot of cases that person
• 54:52
  would have said, oh yeah, yeah, I can recruit.
• 54:55
  Yeah, I'll get it done and inside there like not only do I
• 54:58
  not know how to really recruit but I also don't like it.
• 55:01
  Yeah, if you would have hired that person, they would have
• 55:05
  been miserable, you would have been miserable, and it would
• 55:08
  have ended a year. Two, three years down in five
• 55:11
  years down the, who knows how long it lasted and just like,
• 55:13
  oh, man, what a mistake. I really wanted that person to
• 55:16
  recruit and they just, they just wouldn't do it.
• 55:19
  And that person was like, what a mustachioed?
• 55:20
  It never worked for Kevin because, you know what?
• 55:22
  He was hammering on recruiting. And he knows, I'm not that good
• 55:24
  at it and it's like, well, you guys weren't honest with each
• 55:27
  other, you know, during the recruiting.
• 55:28
  So I think it's a huge win for both of you.
• 55:32
  Like seriously, that's, that's huge.
• 55:34
  No, I think, you know, in the end all be all is probably a
• 55:38
  good thing. No, we originally had a July 1,
• 55:40
  start date our new physical year or we're past that don't have a
• 55:44
  higher. Yeah, I started to think, you
• 55:45
  know, I kind of went to panic mode their little bit as a coach
• 55:47
  you know I got to get in here and then the more I thought
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  about it, like I don't really need a track coach and probably
• 55:53
  till like September, I can handle a cross-country stuff
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  myself. That's not worried.
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  I just got to get someone in here and get ready for the track
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  season. So you know, that's why we
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  decided, you know, let's reopen this process if we get any more
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  good applicants and kind of go from there.
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  So, there are certainly people listening right now, that Are
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  doing this. They're applying to st.
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  Vincent's. They're applying to all the
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  other job openings that are out there right now.
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  What have you as you've gone through.
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  So now you've done several of these.
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  If you're like me certain questions you like there.
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  We're going to ask this question during the process, right?
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  Because it because you now have data like a hundred.
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  Other people have answered this question.
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  And I now, you know, from working with them, or not
• 56:35
  working with them, know what I'm looking for without giving away
• 56:39
  Secrets, what order are. So, someone, who's preparing,
• 56:43
  like what our interview questions that you are, your
• 56:45
  must must must ask questions. So that someone who's listen
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  right now goes? Oh, I better know those when I
• 56:50
  go to interview for x and y z University.
• 56:53
  Yeah. So I mean, you know, like I said
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  I the person that we're going to hire Very important are
• 56:57
  recruiting process, you know, like I'm not expecting them to
• 57:00
  everything but they're going to have to handle, you know, the
• 57:02
  track and field side a good bit, I'm going to be there assist as
• 57:04
  much like can't. So that's kind of where I drive
• 57:06
  my question from as you know what kind of you know recruiting
• 57:09
  strategy do you bring in? How are you going to attract
• 57:11
  recruits to st. Vincent because you know we feel
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  once we can get them on campus. We stand a pretty good chance.
• 57:17
  We have something to offer but it's how do we get them on
• 57:19
  campus? You know my wife kind of always
• 57:22
  ask the question as you know we're just a distance program
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  right now. You know what?
• 57:26
  Are in track season, we're right around 40 people.
• 57:29
  We want to, you know, we're looking to double that.
• 57:31
  We're we're 80 90 kits and you know those are going to be
• 57:34
  Sprint's jumps hurdles, you know how do you envision, you know,
• 57:38
  you merging, you know that group of people with our group of
• 57:41
  people and keeping our tradition and stuff the same So I love it.
• 57:47
  That's awesome. Because what you just described
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  right there that's culture? Yeah.
• 57:50
  All right. You have a current culture.
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  You're adapting and growing that culture as your program changes
• 57:57
  in much like Judd, Logan would have taught us about culture.
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  You can either let the kids drive that and maybe off the
• 58:03
  cliff. Because we talked about 18, 19
• 58:04
  year-old kids, it's not their responsibility to know culture.
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  At that point, it's the staffs responsibility.
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  You have to lead leaders lead and you have to leave.
• 58:12
  Yeah and we you know, we have great Ins and, you know, you
• 58:15
  know, once we, you know, get the program going bigger, there will
• 58:17
  be a New Traditions but it's, you know, continuing those same
• 58:20
  ones build in the culture, you know, that the coach, her
• 58:23
  establishing our men's program for so long.
• 58:24
  I guess. Have we've been so successful in
• 58:26
  Cross Country? It's kind of my job and, you
• 58:28
  know, my right to him is to keep that ship going here.
• 58:31
  Yeah you got a lot to look up to there.
• 58:35
  I love it. Kevin man I'm so thankful.
• 58:38
  You know again one you're early in your journey so I knew there
• 58:43
  would be like this, you know? This one can be a 23 Hour
• 58:46
  podcast today, right? Because you're so early in your
• 58:48
  journey, but what's awesome about it.
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  First of all again just such a heart for all alums who go to
• 58:53
  their alma mater. So I just love that but to I
• 58:55
  love even this early in your career, how much you're really
• 58:59
  affecting change. I mean it's one thing to be in a
• 59:02
  an established program as an assistant coach and learning
• 59:05
  from others that have done it for you.
• 59:07
  You know you have done that and your hands are in the muck.
• 59:11
  You're you know you're growing at st.
• 59:12
  Visit at st. Vincent as a Program, you're
• 59:15
  growing as a staff, which has to mean, if the track program is
• 59:19
  growing, that means the athletic department is growing which
• 59:21
  means the school is probably growing as well.
• 59:23
  So you're getting your PhD. You want to teach in the sports
• 59:27
  management school, I mean, it's amazing.
• 59:29
  What, it's awesome. As you know, I always think of
• 59:31
  people's lives and Journeys as a book because the book has
• 59:34
  chapters and maybe has sections of chapters, right?
• 59:38
  I don't know that we're past chapter 2 in your journey here,
• 59:41
  my friend. And that's a compliment that the
• 59:44
  the Lori is continue to be written.
• 59:46
  I can't, I can't imagine, I can't wait.
• 59:48
  I'm so excited to see what chapter 10 and chapter 20 and 30
• 59:52
  is going to look like for you and your wife in your program,
• 59:56
  which you have obviously such a huge huge heart, for ya know.
• 1:00:00
  I'm like I said, I'm excited. We'll see what the book has two
• 1:00:03
  right here. Moving forward.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah, here's the fun thing. We started talking about this in
• 1:00:07
  the past few weeks, on the podcast is, you know sit down
• 1:00:11
  with your wife and write out what you think.
• 1:00:14
  Ten years from now, so 2032. What's it going to look like?
• 1:00:17
  I'll be the head coach at st. Vincent, and will already have
• 1:00:20
  this many trophies and I'll be a professor and you know, maybe
• 1:00:24
  we'll have a family blah blah and then open it in 2032 in
• 1:00:30
  realize how you know? It's it's usually under gold
• 1:00:36
  meaning, you know, all we're going to.
• 1:00:37
  We're gonna win three titles and Bubba, blind psycho when you
• 1:00:40
  open 2032 is like, oh man, we 17.
• 1:00:42
  And we also had, you know, National trophy We had a little
• 1:00:45
  more element, it's just amazing. The plans that you think you
• 1:00:47
  have, and then what reality hits you with in successful, people
• 1:00:52
  to have a lot of success more than they think sometimes.
• 1:00:54
  So I can't wait, man. It's going to be exciting to see
• 1:00:57
  you continue to grow your such a growth phase, man.
• 1:01:00
  I love it. That's exciting.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah, now it's it's exciting times.
• 1:01:04
  So awesome, man. Well Kevin, thank you so much
• 1:01:08
  for your journey. I love that we got into some
• 1:01:11
  topics that we really haven't hit lately on the podcast.
• 1:01:14
  You know? I Of a real passion for the
• 1:01:16
  person who's doing the job. The person who's the coach, the
• 1:01:19
  person who's the head coach of all the other things that they
• 1:01:21
  do, you know, there's lots of as we've talked before, you know,
• 1:01:24
  we don't talk about X's and O's on here cause there's a lot of
• 1:01:26
  amazing podcast out there that talk about how to coach a
• 1:01:29
  distance, Runner better and it would be just a laughable
• 1:01:33
  conversation for you and I to have about how to coach distance
• 1:01:36
  Runner because I know nothing. I don't even like, you know, you
• 1:01:39
  guys don't want to go on for long runs and 10, 12 miles, I
• 1:01:41
  don't like driving 1012 miles, man.
• 1:01:43
  So Stuff is for you Birdseye me. But I love that we got to talk
• 1:01:48
  about hiring staff because that is a, there are so many people
• 1:01:53
  in your spot right now. They're hiring for the first
• 1:01:55
  time and no one has ever told them.
• 1:01:57
  No one has ever taught them, they've never even thought of
• 1:02:00
  it. Wait a minute, I have to make
• 1:02:02
  decisions on people in those people affect my program which
• 1:02:07
  means they affect my athletes and until you do it, sometimes
• 1:02:11
  you just don't know. So I love your candor about, you
• 1:02:14
  know, The process that you're going through, I think you mean,
• 1:02:17
  what a big lesson that you gave their about, hey, don't do it on
• 1:02:22
  your own, get a council. Get some others that have done
• 1:02:25
  it, get some others that have passion for your program as
• 1:02:27
  well, and listen to their feedback, right?
• 1:02:29
  Because they'll see things and hear things differently.
• 1:02:31
  So, I love that, man. I was a huge lesson, so much
• 1:02:34
  value that you brought here today on the podcast.
• 1:02:37
  Now like I said, you know, thanks for having me trying to,
• 1:02:41
  you know, offer I can help don't want to help the the track world
• 1:02:44
  because that's what it's about. Out, you know, as we said, and
• 1:02:46
  some podcasting us kind of nice thing about track coaches,
• 1:02:49
  they're always there to kind of help each other out.
• 1:02:51
  Thank goodness, because they're the greatest people in the world
• 1:02:54
  and you're one of them giving me again, thank you so much for
• 1:02:56
  being here today. You know, one of the most
• 1:02:58
  valuable things you'll ever give me as your time.
• 1:03:00
  And so I'm just so, so grateful for you today and and we're
• 1:03:04
  publishing this on my birthday. So it's July 25th and you're
• 1:03:07
  listening to this, you know, you might hit me up on Twitter.
• 1:03:09
  We'll see, I don't know. I'm not a big birthday, guys.
• 1:03:12
  I won't be offended, but we'll see.
• 1:03:13
  We'll see what I won't see me. Do it on my birthday is doing
• 1:03:16
  any kind of Boston Marathon. Any kind of thing like that,
• 1:03:18
  man, that's not happened. You can have that, are you
• 1:03:21
  running? Like, is this a normal thing?
• 1:03:22
  Like you run, You're Gonna Run next year and all this stuff or
• 1:03:24
  what's I won't be running Boston?
• 1:03:28
  Hopefully, the ideal, I'm looking at a Pittsburgh marathon
• 1:03:30
  in May, that's kind of my target date to maybe get to a back to a
• 1:03:33
  long race again. I love it.
• 1:03:35
  Oh that's right. Cause you're coming off the
• 1:03:36
  Achilles to. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:03:38
  Okay, well you have fun with that my friend and again, thank
• 1:03:41
  you so much for being here today and thank you for being here,
• 1:03:43
  listening. And just so humbled and
• 1:03:46
  appreciated that you spend time with us and listening to Kevin
• 1:03:48
  story. If this is your first time
• 1:03:49
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• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:55
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• 1:04:00
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• 1:04:03
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