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Ernie Davis My Friend with Sylvia Mackey · Cover IV Podcast

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Cover 4.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a Section 4 football fan, this is your podcast.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Coach Smith, your host.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Buffer your chin strapped, put your mouthpiece in, and tie your cleats in double knots.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to my first annual Ernie Davis Tribute episode.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: I will post this annual episode on December 12th, the day in 1961 when Ernie Davis received his Heisman Trophy.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: If you look closely at the Cover 4 podcast artwork, you will see an orange number 44 on the 44-yard line.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is a tribute to Ernie Davis.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is similar to the number 44 on the 44-yard line of Syracuse's Ernie Davis Legends Field.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Our guest today is Sylvia Mackey, the wife of John Mackey, who was Ernie's roommate and teammate at Syracuse University.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: John Mackey went on to a Hall of Fame career as a tight end for the Baltimore Colts.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Beginning in 2000, the John Mackey Award has been presented annually to College Football's most outstanding tight end, who best exemplifies the play, sportsmanship, academics, and community values of Pro Football Hall of Fame, tight end John Mackey.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: And now, here is my conversation with Sylvia Mackey.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome, Sylvia.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Tim.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me on your podcast here.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is an absolute pleasure to talk about my friend Ernie Davis.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: He is the one and the reason that I married John Mackey, because John and Ernie were roommates in college at Syracuse at Sadler Hall, that they call the Sadler Hilton because it was supposed to be so luxurious for the athletes.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: The night that John was supposed to take me out, he told Ernie that he was not going to show up.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: And Ernie said to him, Man, you can't uh stand up Sylvia Cole.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: She's a nice girl.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you what's out there.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, and John said, Well, I don't have any money, I don't have a car, and I don't have anything to wear.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Ernie said, Man, here's five dollars.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: Here are the keys to my car, and here's my Argyle sweater.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: You can wear them with those pants that are over there.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: So John couldn't say no.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Couldn't say no.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: So he showed up and uh we went out.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: We had a great time.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: First date, had too much to drink, but that was okay.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: Then during the course of the evening, John would always talk about Ernie and how nice he is, but he didn't tell me that part.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: I found that out later from Ernie.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's the kind of guy Ernie was.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Another thing about Ernie, too, when you meet somebody who is so kind and giving that you could describe them as somebody who would give you the shirt off their back.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Ernie literally would do that.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: One day I was going to a class and we were crossing the quad in front of Hendrix Chapel, and Ernie and John were coming the other direction.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I could see this beautiful orange sweater that Ernie had on.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Ernie, that sweater is beautiful.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: I really like it.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: And he started taking it off.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know why, but he started taking it off and he handed it to me.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Here, you can have it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: I said, No, Ernie, that this is yours.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: I just like the sweater.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: It looks great on you.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I could tell by the way I tried to hand it back to him that he would not take no for an answer.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted me to have that sweater.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I have that sweater to this day hanging in my closet.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: I've worn it to some uh games, although I didn't take it to homecomingness last weekend because it was too bulky for my uh suitcase.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: But and I always think uh when I go to a Syracuse game with that sweater on, it brings me good luck.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I wore it to all the rest of the Syracuse games after that, which was the year of the fall of 62, the year after Ernie had graduated.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Another thing that I remember about Ernie, he was so polite and respectful, but not in a condescending way.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when a bunch of us would be standing around on campus talking about anything, parties, books, school.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: And if one male said anything uh that included a curse word, Ernie would stop him right there and he would say, Man, don't use uh that word around ladies.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Don't you see their ladies standing around here?
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And he would say it in a way that his friends would respect him.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't uh that he was lashing out at them or anything, it was with kindness and what he felt was respect for all of us.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Then I remember I think it was the summer of 62, right after Ernie's graduation, and he had been drafted by I'm not sure, Cleveland Browns or Washington.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Washington, and then he was trained almost immediately to Cleveland.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's right, in exchange for Bobby Mitchell, I think it was.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, exactly.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I had taken a Syracuse summer in France, and I was in Europe, and John and I were writing letters, and I was telling John what a great time I was having, and he wrote back that there was something seriously wrong with Ernie.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't really get the scope of what John was saying.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm figuring if there's something wrong with him, he'll be all right by the time I get back.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: And in my next letter, I could tell that John was a little bit angry with me because I didn't respond the way he thought I should have responded, which had I known it was as serious as it was, I would have responded differently.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: And when I got back and I found out the real sad news, it was just heartbreaking.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: But a year and a half before that, my mother had noticed something strange about Ernie.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was during the summer of 61 that Ernie and John, and I believe John Brown too, came to my house.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: My mother had us all over to dinner.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: We were all off school, so that's why it was summer.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was during the summer, and my mother noticed that Ernie was perspiring a lot, but she didn't say anything until later.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: But of course, even if she had, we wouldn't have taken that as a sign of anything wrong, even if we noticed it.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: But she just had a gut feeling when the news did come out about Ernie that she had sent something way before any of that came out.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember when Ernie went in the hospital, and my husband John was so upset, and I guess he understood the diagnosis more seriously than I did.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't remember what happened in between, but I do remember John and I going to Ernie's funeral, and I had never seen anything like that in my life.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was beyond what I could describe as emotional, it was heart-wrenching and heartbreaking.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some women were addressed as nurses to calm those down who were very excited.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then when we went to the grave site, there were people uh who wanted to jump in the grave as they lowered the casket screaming and saying, bury me with him.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: I have never seen anything like that in my life.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess that's a certain aspect of not only because it was Ernie, but also an aspect of that particular uh sect of Christianity.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's the last part that I remember of the day that Ernie was buried, and literally with people standing there with the grave people throwing dirt into the thing and the people yelling like that.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: But what stands out the most in my mind about Ernie is just how sweet, genuine, nice, and sincere that he was about everything, and he didn't come off as a square or a nerd or anything like that.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right, he had quite a way about him, as I understand.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he was like you said, he wasn't condescending, he did it in a very humble um manner, but he had he had come up against a lot of um tough times, not only as health uh news, but prior to that, with um all the things he faced with the other uh black players on the team, you know, the racial uh insensitivity, things like that.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the way that he handled that, I've heard a lot of different stories about you know how uh you know, you can only take so much of that.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he was a real leader in that area, not only in athletics, but also uh how student athletes should uh present themselves and their you know the behavior, those kinds of things.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I remember he was very um happy from what I gathered through print and things that I've researched, how how proud he was to have met the president uh with John F.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Kennedy and shake his hand.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it it was uh reciprocal too, because that uh uh President Kennedy knew where he was at the time and he he made it known that he wanted to go meet this young man.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: And for him to be like that, and also when he passed away, it wasn't just a uh a storied student athlete passing away, it was an ambassador for uh uh football and humanity, how you how you should deal with um things that are less than positive coming your way, including life-stripping disease.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: He had a um uh it was in his cancer was in remission for a short period of time.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what it was, so they thought that they were uh everything was okay with it, and then uh then it came back.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, you know, that was all history at this particular point.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me what you remember about um how Ernie introduced you and John uh there at Syracuse.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, he didn't introduce us.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I John introduced me to him as his roommate at a after a certain point.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um I met John on Marshall Street, my first day of school, and Ernie and John and John Brown and Art Baker were in a car, and they pulled up as they saw me on the street and said hello, and I said hi, and I knew there were students, and they said, get in.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I got in because I knew it was safe and it was things aren't like they are now.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're right, exactly.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: I you didn't even, yeah, I knew there were students, and I wanted to be, I didn't want to be up there on my first day and appear to be a snob or not friendly, and I actually thought they were all very nice.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I don't know who was in the front seat because the four of them were in the car, but one got out and sat in the back.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: So there were three in the back, and John Brown Brown was driving.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And John drove by the saddler hall and dropped all three of them off, which only left John Brown and me in the car.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I was disappointed uh because I really wanted to talk to all three of them, and I thought John Mackey, especially, was extremely cute.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that must have been a big vehicle.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: John got my eye, right?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: That must have been a huge vehicle to get all those guys in there, and you right.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you could put three people in the back seat back in that day.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: The cars were made that way, uh-huh.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, no matter how small they were.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: It was probably a Chevy, but they were all made to hold three people across the back seat.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't have seat belts then.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, uh-uh.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I they left it for me to get in the front seat, which I did.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when John dropped them off.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I I was disappointed at that.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I I remember Ernie's mother and her fiance and how nice they all were, and I knew that his hometown of Elmira respected him so much, and it was like I certainly can see why.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely so that made him a unique and unusual individual.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I have uh my dad was telling my dad coached him in football at EFA, and I remember him telling me one time when um uh you know it was trials at the beginning of the season, and there was one young student athlete that didn't know how to put his shoulder pads on, actually was putting them on backwards.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh the other student athletes were kind of chuckling and laughing at him.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Ernie said, you know, uh, you know, that's unnecessary, whatever it was.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: And he went over and he he took the shoulder pads off and and oriented them right on his shoulders and helped them and put them on.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: So that was just one of many stories that you know my dad told me about Ernie.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: And matter of fact, Ernie almost didn't make it out of high school.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard this or not, but they were there was a senior party they went to, and it was there's a pool at this particular house, and you know, apparently the uh some guys in the senior class were screwing around, so they said we'll throw Ernie in a pool, uh, because he was a very likable uh guy as well.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: And they figured, well, he's a you know exceptional athlete that he can swim.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they threw him in and he can't swim, or he couldn't at that time, and he almost drowned.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so he almost did not make it to Syracuse.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: I never heard that.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Did they jump in and save him?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure how that went uh came about.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um but uh yeah, he uh he couldn't swim.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: And my dad was the also a track coach, so he wanted Ernie to run track, but Ernie played baseball, right?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: He tried you know hard to get Ernie to run that as well.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: But right, right.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of a neat story that he had uh uh told me about that.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I've sensed space with with other people that had grown up with him, uh, knew him, and uh that's why when I came across uh you and I contacted you, I said I gotta have Sylvie on here, she's gotta tell that story.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so there's there's a part here now we got to get to the next part.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: You you've caught you caught or John Mackey caught your eye.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: But what's what's step two here?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's gotta be a step two because you ended up being Mrs.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: John Mackey, so you had to bridge that gap somehow.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we started going out every weekend and we became an item, but back in that day, everything was so macho, he really couldn't admit that uh he was in love with me or anything like that.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that we were an item, and as a matter of fact, he never asked me to marry him.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was that it was like, okay, we graduate in the same year, we've been together all this time, might as well get married.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it it was Ernie who told him when you go in the pros, because John was drafted by the Baltimore Colts, and I guess he talked to Ernie about what's out there because Ernie was one year, well, a few months into the professional side before he died.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: He knew what it was like to be with the Cleveland Browns.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: He said, There's so many uh women out there who will be after you, and they're after you because of your because you're an athlete and they think you have good money, right?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: But Sylvia Cole has been with you all through college.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: She was with you, and these were his words.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: He said, She was with you when you had nothing.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: So think about that.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: So he was there at the beginning to help John get the date with me, and then at the end of school as to what he was gonna do with me.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, wait, was Ernie still alive uh at the time of your wedding?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying, no, he wasn't, but I have pictures of his mother.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: I got married in December of 63.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: He passed away in May.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Was it in the spring or earlier in 63?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was May, May 18th.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: 63.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, that's it.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: But he I would think that he would definitely have been in the wedding and maybe even best man at that particular wedding.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: Without a doubt.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: But he'd been sick long enough that he'd been failing that eventually, I guess John knew that that wasn't gonna happen.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: So he was instrumental in helping John make up his mind that he should marry me, that he should first take me out two and a half years before that, because John wasn't really um a dater.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we had curfewed the girls at uh the students at Syracuse, the female students.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so the guys were kind of taking out the girls who lived in the town.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we were walking across campus, and I said to John before we ever dated, I said, Do you guys ever take out any girls on campus who live in a dorm?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Why?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to date?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Yes, and that was the date that led up to Ernie's uh giving him the car and the keys and the shirt.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, he actually gave uh two uh wasn't it?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh uh the sweater off his back for John to date, and he also gave the sweater off his back that you saw him on campus with the orange one you still have.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: The orange one he gave to me and the Argyle sweater he loaned to John for the date, right?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's really cool.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'll never forget that sweater, that Argyle sweater.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, they were exactly the same size.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, if you saw the two of them walking across campus, you couldn't tell who was who from the back.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: I have like even the picture of you in front of uh uh the car with John Brown, John Mackey, and Ernie.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um you could see the there uh were definitely close in size.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, well, that's and he always looked you in the eye when he was talking to you.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: He was never shifty or looking around, he'd look right at you.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: He gave you his full attention, and you'd feel like you're the only one in the room.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he uh he was he was brought up the the right way.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: He was actually born in Pennsylvania, Erie, right?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um trying to think of the name of that.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think off the top of my head the name of the town, but he had lost his dad when he was real young in a car accident.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I didn't know that.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: He went to live with, I believe at that time would have been his uncle, uh someplace there in Pennsylvania or Elmyra.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then he was then he lived in Elmira, and that's where he was known from as in Elmira.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Most of his youth was there, probably from seven, eight, nine years old on up until he he graduated.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Sylvia, that was a great story.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I really appreciate you taking the time to uh share that with us.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: And uh thank you.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and uh uh I wish you well and everything.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Keep going to your class reunions.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um you're a beacon for all those classmates.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: But we have CB CBT coming up in 20 on uh 2024.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: What's and that's coming back together, it's the minority, it's a multicultural reunion.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: See, and at a university like Syracuse, you need something like that because you want to know what the other black, Hispanic, and people of color did after school.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, John and I organized, well, we the school approached us in the beginning when they had the first one.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's grown to a huge event every three years.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the only how should I put it?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Multicultural.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, at the time it started off, it was black and Hispanic.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: But it's the only multicultural union reunion recognized by its university.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that was 20 years ago, but that's what we used to say.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Michigan State had one, but was only recognized by black and Hispanic people.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you opened it up in Syracuse to include uh everybody.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can be Caucasian and join, but we needed that as big as that university was.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is I should say we needed a gathering of people of color who graduated from Syracuse or who were and who are students, whether you graduated or not.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, got it.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Vanessa Williams is one, the same.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, nice.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, listen, thanks again, Sylvia.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate the you taking the time.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: I know you've got a busy schedule still with an airline stewardess and every everything else that you do.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we appreciate that.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, like I said, uh appreciate you sharing a story with us.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, I know we'll all appreciate that.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Take care.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Tim.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really appreciative that you thought of me in this because I feel like I have a lot to say about a wonderful man, and I love it.
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• 22:00
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• 22:07
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• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: In football and life, it's not where you line up, it's where you wind up.
• 22:17
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