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HEAR IT! Mom describes search for son Dylan, who goes missing during court-ordered visit with dad. Mark Redwine on trial now. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The fourteen year old Monument
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  Speaker 1: boy disappeared while on a court ordered visit to his
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  Speaker 1: father's house over the Thanksgiving holiday twenty twelve. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: lose Dylan, then why is he goin? That's the question
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  Speaker 1: we all haven't asked, But ask that question. You had him.
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  Speaker 1: Where is he? Dylan's remains were found several months after
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  Speaker 1: he disappeared, just about ten miles from his father's home.
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  Speaker 1: Mark RedWine had long been considered a person of interest
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  Speaker 1: in this case, but he suggested his ex wife, Elaine,
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  Speaker 1: had something to do with it. I've how suspicions that
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  Speaker 1: Elaine could be involved in this. Mark RedWine is in
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  Speaker 1: custody and will face charges in the death of his son, Dylan.
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's blood was found in multiple locations of Mark Redwine's
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  Speaker 1: living room. Some say this is a shocker, but others
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  Speaker 1: say this has been a long time coming. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Dylan did not want to go visit
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  Speaker 1: his dad. He did not want to go, but you
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  Speaker 1: know what, cooler heads prevailed and he went to go
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  Speaker 1: visit his dad. Now, he went to spend the night
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  Speaker 1: and the following morning, Dad gets up to go run errands,
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  Speaker 1: you know, laundry and so forth. Comes back Dylan, his
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  Speaker 1: little boy is gone. He thinks he's gone skateboarding or
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  Speaker 1: hanging out with his friends up and down the street.
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  Speaker 1: Finally he says his son is missing, and a search
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  Speaker 1: like no other ensues. I am referring to a beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful little boy, Dylan red Wine. Dylan was not missing.
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  Speaker 1: Dylan was murdered. I Nancy Grace. This is crime stories
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  Speaker 1: and today and with me is a woman I respect
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  Speaker 1: deeply and have thought of, I have prayed for for
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  Speaker 1: so long. Dylan's mother, Elaine Hall, is with me. Also
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  Speaker 1: with me my friend and colleague, director of the Cold
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  Speaker 1: Case Institute, Cheryl McCollum. Elaine, do you remember the moment
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  Speaker 1: that you learned Dylan was missing. Yeah, it's probably one
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  Speaker 1: of the most relived moments in my head of all
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  Speaker 1: the time. What happened while Dylan was went on a
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  Speaker 1: plane right to his father's house on Sunday, and the
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  Speaker 1: next day at four thirty, around four thirty, Mark texted
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  Speaker 1: me and asked me if I had seen Dylan, and
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  Speaker 1: I know, and he said, well, you know, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: know where he was, so I got in my car
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  Speaker 1: and we drove to Durango, which is about six hours
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  Speaker 1: away from where we're living, and I called the sheriff
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  Speaker 1: and filed a missing person's report for Dylan, because if
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  Speaker 1: dad had not done that, Okay, I don't understand this, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because I can't even imagine what would go through my
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  Speaker 1: mind if my child is supposed to be somewhere and
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  Speaker 1: that person calls and said, hey, have you seen Lucy?
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  Speaker 1: What she's with you? So what did you think when
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  Speaker 1: you got the text? Have you seen Dylan? Obviously I
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  Speaker 1: was very concerned, because you know, Dylan was not the
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  Speaker 1: kind of kid who would just wander off or you know,
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  Speaker 1: lead without at least letting me or his brother Corey. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we were very close to him, and so when Mark
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  Speaker 1: had indicated that he had not heard from Dylan and
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  Speaker 1: I had not heard from Dylan, I was very, very obviously,
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  Speaker 1: very upset and concerned about, you know, where, where's my baby?
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  Speaker 1: Worthy And he was thirteen years old and he had
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  Speaker 1: his own phone, so you know, he knew he knew
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  Speaker 1: enough to call us if he felt, you know, that
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  Speaker 1: he was in danger or anything. I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 1: take this in Dylan did not want to go to
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  Speaker 1: visit his dad that weekend. Why. Um, Dylan and his
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  Speaker 1: dad had just grown apart. Mark never really exercised his
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  Speaker 1: vegetation rights, and so you know, he didn't see Dylan
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  Speaker 1: that often. And you know, quite honestly, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that Mark knew Dylan anymore. I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they had spent so much from apart that they their
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  Speaker 1: relationship with strange because you know, they just didn't spend
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time together. And the time that they
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  Speaker 1: did spend together was you know, sitting in Mark's house
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  Speaker 1: up in the mountains, and you know that was not
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  Speaker 1: fun for Dylan. Dylan was thirteen. He didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: just sit around and watch his father drink all day. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just think that Mark really had no
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  Speaker 1: clue was at this point in his life. Did Dylan
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  Speaker 1: ask you not to go? Yes, he did. He asked
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  Speaker 1: me many times. As a matter of fact. On the
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  Speaker 1: he was supposed to fly out of Clara Springs on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday and the plane had malfunctioned so he couldn't fly out.
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  Speaker 1: He said, Mom, maybe that's the sign that I shouldn't go.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, unfortunately I put him on the plane
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, and that was the last time I found
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  Speaker 1: my fun You know, it's funny that you say that,
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  Speaker 1: Elaine Cheryl McCallum, director of the Coal Case Institute. I
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  Speaker 1: remember my dad had been feeling bad, but that had
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  Speaker 1: happened so many times because he was a heart patient,
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  Speaker 1: as you know. And I had arranged to take the
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  Speaker 1: children ice skating up at Rockefeller Center, and he had
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  Speaker 1: been in the hospital to get fluid from around his heart.
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  Speaker 1: I remember I called my mom from the airport and
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  Speaker 1: I said, Mom, are you sure he's stable as he okay?
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  Speaker 1: Can We'd be gone for forty eight hours and she said, yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is like every other time. Go. And right before
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  Speaker 1: we got on the plane, I said, David, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think we should go. I think I just he goes,
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  Speaker 1: You've been through this, You've gone round and round. We're
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  Speaker 1: getting on the plane. We've got one foot on the plane.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead and go. We got on. I got to
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  Speaker 1: New York, I got a sole unpacked, the children bathed
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  Speaker 1: in their pj's. I got a call from my mom
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  Speaker 1: that they're putting my dad on life support, and I
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  Speaker 1: spoke to him very briefly on the phone, I packed
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  Speaker 1: us up, we got on a plane, turned right around.
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  Speaker 1: We got to the hospital at five am. But he
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  Speaker 1: never could speak to me again. And you know that feeling.
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  Speaker 1: You look back on it a lane and it's like
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  Speaker 1: the universe is trying to tell you something. But how
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  Speaker 1: were we to know? How were you to know a lane? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you just don't. You don't when you get that to
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  Speaker 1: trust you know that everything would be okay. When you
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  Speaker 1: got that text, did you call Mark? No? I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I immediately started calling Dylan's phone, and then I immediately
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  Speaker 1: called all my friends in the area. Quite honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: Mark never tells the truth, and when Dylan was missing,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to be very helpful.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he didn't know where Dylan was and
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  Speaker 1: he hadn't contacted the Sheriff's department at that point. So
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  Speaker 1: I started contacting all the people that I knew so
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  Speaker 1: that they could actually go out and look for him,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, Mark certainly wasn't doing anything to find him,
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't the whole time that Dylan was missing.
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  Speaker 1: So I just took I took it upon myself and
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  Speaker 1: just found other avenues to try and resolve this. What
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  Speaker 1: was Mark's story as to where Dylan went? How did
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  Speaker 1: the evening progress? Well, we finally got to the spacefield,
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  Speaker 1: which is about an hour or forty five minutes away
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  Speaker 1: from more Mark lived, and I immediately into the sheriff's office.
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  Speaker 1: It was like one o'clock in the morning. And then
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  Speaker 1: the next day went to the search and rescue and
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  Speaker 1: then dealt with investigators who were you know, worthless crime
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  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Everyone with me is Dylan red
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  Speaker 1: Wine's mother who has never given up in the search
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  Speaker 1: for the truth about where was her son. Dylan red
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  Speaker 1: Wine absolutely beautiful. If you could see his little face
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  Speaker 1: right now, his blue eyes right yes, and kind of
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  Speaker 1: a brown blondish more blonde than brown hair, and the
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  Speaker 1: sweetest smile, the sweetest smile. He has a smile like
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  Speaker 1: my son John David's. And I'm just imagining you. You
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  Speaker 1: get to town and where do you where do you
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  Speaker 1: even start? I remember asking the same question of Natalie
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  Speaker 1: Holloway's mother, fly down to Aruba, you touchdown, what do
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  Speaker 1: you do? I mean, you don't know where your baby is.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do first? I mean, when you walked
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  Speaker 1: in to the search office. What did you do, Elaine? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we sat there for a couple of days
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  Speaker 1: because they were convinced that Dylan was running through the mountains,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I was convinced that that was not true.
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  Speaker 1: Sat there for anauple of days and they said it
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  Speaker 1: was running through the mountains. Why would they get that
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  Speaker 1: about a little boy? Because there was a jogger that
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  Speaker 1: was running through the mountains, and you know, they kept
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  Speaker 1: thinking that Dylan was a runaway and then he was
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  Speaker 1: running away from his bat. Oh no, I know that
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  Speaker 1: was not true because if that was the case, he
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  Speaker 1: would have called us. Oh you know, he wouldn't just
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  Speaker 1: run through the mountains without letting me ar. Cory know,
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  Speaker 1: and Corey and I both knew that. And Corey is
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's half brother. Cheryl McCallen, director of the Cold Case Institute.
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  Speaker 1: Right there, that was the first big mista right there.
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  Speaker 1: Does he even mistake Nancy? Here's the herd thing. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go back even she just notified that her child is
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  Speaker 1: wife through a text massles what he doesn't call her?
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't call Now, I wouldn't won himself. That to
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  Speaker 1: me is the biggest flag right here. But he has
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  Speaker 1: guilty knowledge of what happened. Right off the bat, he laid,
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  Speaker 1: of course does the right thing. She immediately goes to
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  Speaker 1: that place where she believes her baby still there, possibly
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  Speaker 1: in the mountain's, possible somewhere. But here's the most important thing, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: she knew she moves something was terribly wrong, and she
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  Speaker 1: did not wait one minute. I heard for that. Oh yes,
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  Speaker 1: don't you know it, Cheryl. She got in that car
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  Speaker 1: and she put the pedal to the metal and got
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  Speaker 1: on the scene and started working. I mean, how frustrating
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  Speaker 1: was it a lane hall when they're telling you authorities
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, he's a runaway. Shell acts and you're saying, no,
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  Speaker 1: he is not a runaway. How what was going through
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  Speaker 1: your mind? I mean, I feel like I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: jump out of my skin just talking about it. But
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  Speaker 1: well I did. I kept arguing with the investigator and
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  Speaker 1: you know, kept telling him that that that was not
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  Speaker 1: the case. And you know, we we basically played that
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  Speaker 1: game for about a week until I finally convinced them that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is not that Dylan is not a runaway.
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  Speaker 1: And then we were fortunate enough to get any an
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  Speaker 1: investigator that actually cared and would do something. But I
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  Speaker 1: have never been so angry and infuriated at at law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement in my entire life. And I seriously thought I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna you know, I thought I was just going
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  Speaker 1: to punch somebody because no one was listening. Gus very frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: Then what happened, Well, and then you know, basically we
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  Speaker 1: just started combing the area. We we just started driving
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  Speaker 1: up the mountain, start, you know, doing whatever we can.
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  Speaker 1: We did ground searches, organize the community. Who was you know,
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  Speaker 1: wonderful in this case because people showed up in mass
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  Speaker 1: you know, and this is around Thanksgiving, so a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people miss Thanksgiving holiday with their family to come
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  Speaker 1: search forgetting about his cell phone? You mentioned Diana's cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: Did they find the cell phone? Now, we still have
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  Speaker 1: never found a cell phone or his backpack? Did they
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  Speaker 1: paying it? Well, yeah they did, but it was off
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  Speaker 1: and it didn't I was kind of buy them a
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  Speaker 1: new phone for Christmas that year with the GPS. This
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  Speaker 1: phone did not have the GPS or you know that capability.
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  Speaker 1: It was an older phone. But the whole time we're searching,
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  Speaker 1: Mark is sitting in his easy chair, and I knew
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  Speaker 1: something was really wrong at that point. You know, why
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  Speaker 1: aren't you searching for your son? What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: did you see him sitting in his easy chair? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's sitting in his easy chair while everybody else is
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  Speaker 1: searching for a son. Did you say anything to him?
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  Speaker 1: Not really? I mean, you know, I said a lot
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  Speaker 1: to him as far as you know, where is my son?
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  Speaker 1: But Mark basically cut communication with me very early on
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  Speaker 1: and would not engage or talk to me at all.
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  Speaker 1: Did they search his house then for blood or evidence anything? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they did. The FBI one in the air and they did.
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  Speaker 1: They searched his house breath early, but there have been
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  Speaker 1: many searches on his house throughout the whole process. What,
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  Speaker 1: if anything, did they think the investigators in the very
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  Speaker 1: beginning were just they were worthless. It was just not working.
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  Speaker 1: What did they find when they searched his home. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure specifically what they found. I know that you
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  Speaker 1: know there were blood traces. They took out parts of
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  Speaker 1: this floor, They took his couch, they took a washing machine.
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  Speaker 1: They you know, I'm not one hundred percent sure everything
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  Speaker 1: you know eventually be in powdered. This truck. Elaine, let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you a question, when did you finally return
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  Speaker 1: back to your home. We returned back probably right before Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: So we were in Durango about a month, living in
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  Speaker 1: a garage of a friend of ours. Oh my stars,
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  Speaker 1: living in a garage, going out every day, trying to
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  Speaker 1: find your baby, just like wandering. I can just imagine
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  Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum just wandering the streets calling. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: police weren't really helping. They didn't believe he was gone,
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  Speaker 1: they thought he was a runaway. The dad's propped up
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  Speaker 1: having a beer on an easy chair, and there's the
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  Speaker 1: mom just wandering looking for her son. It's overwhelming to
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  Speaker 1: me to even imagine that. It is. During this time
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  Speaker 1: when he's pushed, he's making these statements that people need
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  Speaker 1: to stop playing Nancy through. He's telling the media people
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  Speaker 1: need to get the focus off of him and own
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  Speaker 1: the Dylan Well. Every single time he says things like that,
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  Speaker 1: that again should be a ray flag to law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Why in the world would he won't the focus off
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  Speaker 1: of him or anybody else. Any focus is good focus.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Elizabeth fought when the police wanted DNA from her
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  Speaker 1: dad and all his brother They were more than willing
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  Speaker 1: to do that. He looked and take a polygraph. It
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  Speaker 1: reminds me of Mark Klass when his daughter went missing.
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  Speaker 1: He practically late on the courthouse steps saying, take my
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  Speaker 1: DNA whatever you want, so you can get past me
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  Speaker 1: and look for my daughter. Amen. And you know when
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  Speaker 1: somebody says, I don't know why Nancy Grace is trying
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  Speaker 1: to find my son. She needs to leave it alone.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, right there, that's a big red flag. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here's my question for him. I don't know why the
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  Speaker 1: hell you're not. You had strangers searching that mountain for
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  Speaker 1: your king. You've got his mama living in a garage,
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  Speaker 1: begging for somebody to help, demanding that the police do something.
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  Speaker 1: And again you're looking back with a colone. That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: But he did make one statement, Nancy. He said, never
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  Speaker 1: in my prayers with you, and I love you very much.
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  Speaker 1: He was the light of my life and he meant
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  Speaker 1: everything to me. That man you just asked tense when
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  Speaker 1: that child was still missing. I do not know what
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  Speaker 1: more law enforce that could have needed to know. He
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  Speaker 1: had knowledge of where that child was and what happened
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  Speaker 1: to him. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Cheryl McCollum an
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  Speaker 1: arrest affected homicide. What happened cadaver dogs, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: and those the dogs hit any time to help at
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  Speaker 1: the washing machine of the clothes that the father was
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  Speaker 1: wearing the day dealer with missing um the back of
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  Speaker 1: his truck. So Lord enforcement has been putting together these
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  Speaker 1: pieces of this puzzle, and you know where they remaining.
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  Speaker 1: Let me understand this, cadaver dogs trying to hit on
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  Speaker 1: the smell of decomposing tissue. Correct picked up the scent
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  Speaker 1: in various location in Martin Redwine's home, on the clothes
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  Speaker 1: that he wore the night deal and went missing. Not
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  Speaker 1: only that, in the bed red Wine's pickup truck and
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  Speaker 1: inside the home that corresponded with the blood evidence they
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  Speaker 1: found it was on the sofa, under the rug on
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  Speaker 1: the rough seat. So again those dogs. Obviously we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: have known that. The dog handler couldn't have known that,
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  Speaker 1: but it lined up beautifully. Well. Another thing, Cheryl, is
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  Speaker 1: that a year before that, investigators say, Dylan's half brother
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  Speaker 1: told them Mark RedWine had mentioned this is Dylan's old
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  Speaker 1: father had mentioned Dylan had died of blunt force injuries. Elane,
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  Speaker 1: did you know about that? I did not. Yes, a
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  Speaker 1: year before he had told there's another thing. What the
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  Speaker 1: skull when it was recovered had injury consistent with a
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  Speaker 1: knife fluid Perry mortal, which means that injury was done
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  Speaker 1: near or at that it did not have time to
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  Speaker 1: even begin to heal. So again, why would the father
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  Speaker 1: say something before he would have ever had knowledge of it?
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  Speaker 1: That again came from you know, Elane, what were you thinking?
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  Speaker 1: What went through your mind in the weeks and the
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  Speaker 1: days when you got back home? What were you thinking?
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  Speaker 1: I mean to go into your home and no Dylon
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  Speaker 1: is there no Dalon to take the school, no Dalon
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  Speaker 1: to pick up? What was going through your mind? You know,
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  Speaker 1: you just you just exist, you know, They're the only
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  Speaker 1: thing going through my mind was finding my son. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you learned to exist. I don't know, I don't know it.
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  Speaker 1: You just learned to live. I can't I can't even
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  Speaker 1: speak about what was going through my mind because I
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  Speaker 1: think I was just so numb to the whole situation that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was so unreal that there's a actually
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  Speaker 1: happening to my baby. And so we just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we just kept going up to Durango and kept doing
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  Speaker 1: what we can as far as searches and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: just doing everything we could think of and to try
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  Speaker 1: and get someone to help us so that we could,
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  Speaker 1: you know, find my son. When did you discover that
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  Speaker 1: a portion of Dylan's remains had been found in June
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  Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen. My mother had passed away in May
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  Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen, and we organized the huge search in June,
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  Speaker 1: and it was at that time that law enforcement found
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  Speaker 1: partial remains and that they could positively identify that it
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  Speaker 1: was Dylan. Do you remember when you got that call? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we were actually there, um what happened in that area
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  Speaker 1: and the investigator asked us about a shoe they had
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: found and it was Dylan, and so you know, we
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: kind of had an inkling that that you know, we are,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: we are, and we're going to find Dylan. Um, and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he was not going to be alive. So you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it was just a total breakdown. Who was in meltdown?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's as horrific as it is. It was like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you know, at least at least we found them and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: he's not just you know lost anymore. At least we know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the most horrific experience ever after he
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: found the first remains, then the Dylan skull was found
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: in a different location. Is that right? Yeah, it was
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: about a mile and a half away from where the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: original remains were located. When you think about it, And
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: of course motive does not matter. This state doesn't have
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to prove motive. We don't have to go into Mark
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Redwine's head and figure out what was he thinking. You can't.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: What do you think went wrong? Elane? What you know?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Dylan was thirteen, almost fourteen years old, and he was,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: you know, he was finding his voice in the world.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And I think that he was, you know, at a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: point where he was confronting his father about many bad
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: choices that market made regarding the kids. And I think
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Mark had a tendency to always lash out at Dylan
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: about me and Corey, and I think Dylan just got
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: tired of it, and so Dylan stood up for himself.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately Mark doesn't have the sense or the maternal
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: instinct that most of us have, you know, that he
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: would actually listen to Dylan. You know, I'm sure he
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: became explosive and you know, reacted. You know, I've thought
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about what may have happened to Dylan so many times,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and you know, since you and I first met so
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to speak, and I just have a feeling that he
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. He didn't want to leave you,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: He did not want to be there for the holiday.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: He wanted to come home. He did not want to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: be with his father. His father really didn't care about
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: having him there. I think it was just to get
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: back at you, and he said something like, I want
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to go home. I don't want to sit here. I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: want to go back to Mom's. I agree, And I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: imagine an explosion occurred and Dylan was dead. That's the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: kindest scenario that I could imagine had happened. When did
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you learn they finally finally charged Martin RedWine. Um, we
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: found out about one thirty in the morning on let's see,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I guess it would have been Saturday, you think so.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: On the twenty second of Julie, in the early early morning,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I was notified that and arrest had been made in Washington, Cheryl.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: One thing I don't understand is why he's only charged
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: with second degree homicide. Why his past statements are going
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to come back to hauling him the whole people before
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the remains were ever found, That they're gonna have to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: find the school to determine cause the death. Well, again,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: he had knowledge of what happened to his child, which
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to me shows premeditation. When that child makes his last
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: text message at nine thirty seven at night, and then
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the next morning, by six forty five when his friend
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: is texting him, there's no response. Something's already happened. But
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: he doesn't notify anyone until four o'clock in the afternoon
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: by text message. He didn't even call the police himself.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Everything at that point was a cover up. That this
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: is where good police work has come in because some
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of the blood was found under a rug, and this
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: has happened after his home had been remodeled because of
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a fire. And the great thing is those investigators asked him,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: have Dylan ever been Hollander in your house? Where he
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: would have bled fortnight? So if they already took four,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: should have been no blood from that child. All over
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: creation in their wood time stories with Nancy Grace, I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: want to go back to Elaine Dylan's mom. Elaine, people
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: often say to me things like, well, it's been x
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know you can fill in the blank number of years.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Why can't you get over it. Why can't you move on?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: They don't get it, Elaine, They don't get lunched, probably
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: because they've never suffered at such a horrific blas before.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I think that people are very naive to the situation,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and you know, they can't put you can't be yourself
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in anyone's shoes when it comes to, you know, the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: murder of your child. But I've heard that many times,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, even my boss at the time was
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: very you know, at first, they were very empathetic, but
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: over time it just, you know, their patience were warren thin,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and I was not going to give up until you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: there was some type of resolution for Dylan. When you
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: say they're patience worthin what happened. Um, I was just
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: missing a lot of work obviously, and it just came
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: to the point where I felt that it was best
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: for me to not be employed there anymore because I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I couldn't deal with, you know, the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: innocuous comments. And you know, at one point, you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they were wondering why I was still doing searches for
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: my son when we knew we was Did they actually
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: say that, Um? Yeah, and not so many words yet
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: they did. What did you say that I, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I just I basically said, you know, it's it's very
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: important for me to um, you know, find all of
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: my funds remain so I have, you know, something of him.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And it was shortly thereafter that I left. I left
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that place of employment. Do you have you ever felt
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: like Dylan has tried to communicate with you? I think
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: in many respects he has um maybe not directly to me,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: but I think many of the things that have occurred
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, Stilling had a hand
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: in it. You know. It's like it's like he's a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: chess master and he's controlling everything. Because there's been some
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: pretty major development since, some pretty your changes that have
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: occurred that have kind of pushed this case along. And
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I think Dylan was instrumental in that. And when you
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: say he had a hand in it, give me an example, Well,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you know, finding the skull that was you know, that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: was pretty major. That's actually what you know kind of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: um sparked you know the fire again in law enforcement
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and how was it known to a couple of hikers
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: hiker or hikers that were hiking and they called law
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: enforcement and food you know, I think we found our
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: human skull, and you know it was Dylan's. When you
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Elaine talk about Dylan now and you talk about his
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: remains or you talk about his skull, what effect does
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that have on you? I mean, after our program is
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: over and you go about your business, does talking about
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it bring it all back? Does it make it worse?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Does it have any effect at all? Or are you
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: just numb? I think it's it's you know, I think
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: being numb is a part of it, but you know
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunately also a part of our lives, and we've
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: just had to come to terms with it. I mean,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I can't bring dying back. I wish I could. I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: would do anything to do that, but you know, we
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: still have to keep going, and we still have to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: keep fighting for him because he lost his voice and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: so we have to be his voice. You know, it's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the must urific thing that we've ever experienced, and it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's going to get any
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: better anytime soon, and so you know, we just have
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to keep on putting on. I know that you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Dylan wants us to have you know, closure and a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: resolution to this, not that we'll or half closure because
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: he will still be dead. But you know, we we
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: have to we have to be strong and just keep
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: fighting for him. You know, Elaine Hall, you just spoken
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to my heart and inspired me all over again to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: keep trying. Elaine, I've been thinking of you so much
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: as these developments have happened so rapidly, and please know
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: so many people think of you and hope for you
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and pray for you and Dylan as well. And I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: want to thank you for speaking with me today. Thank you, Nancy.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that