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The Kenny Report | 19 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: The Wyala wipeout and what it tells us about Labour's
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen pipe dream. The key question for Labor in
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Speaker 2: this election campaign are you better off than three years ago?
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Speaker 2: You might think it's impossible, but the monsters of Hummus
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Speaker 2: reach a new low, trading the bodies of a mother
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Speaker 2: and children they've killed for more.
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Speaker 1: Of their terrorist foot soldiers.
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Speaker 2: The Donald Trump and Elon Musk bromance they sit for
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Speaker 2: a joint interview. All that plus National's leader David Little
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Speaker 2: Proud and the Wednesday wrangle with Justin Smith and Denika
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Speaker 2: de Giorgio, Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 1: Election Watch continues.
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Speaker 2: I'm still tipping early April the twelfth or the fifth,
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Speaker 2: but I can tell you tell you that there are
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Speaker 2: some senior operatives who are thinking that March the twenty
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Speaker 2: ninth is a possibility. That would mean calling the election
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Speaker 2: this weekend. Look, I guess if Labour thinks the one
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Speaker 2: quarter of one percent interest rate cut is the only
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Speaker 2: good news they'll get, then maybe they will rush to
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Speaker 2: the polls. But it means they have a lot of overlap.
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Speaker 2: Then with the WA election which is on March the eighth.
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Speaker 2: Waiting a couple of weeks would reduce that overlap. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: the speculation is a bit pointless. What matters is the substance.
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Speaker 2: And first up, I want to challenge this meme that
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Speaker 2: Labor is trying to spin about the Coalition lacking a
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Speaker 2: policy agenda. Peter Dutton has already outlined the dramatic and historic,
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Speaker 2: historic policy agenda that this nation actually needs. That is
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy. On its own, the Nuclear Energy Plan will
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Speaker 2: change this nation forever. It'll return our bounty of reliable
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Speaker 2: and affordable energy underpinning industry, small business and households for
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Speaker 2: generations to come.
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Speaker 1: And it'll also mean for.
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Speaker 2: Any greenies out there, it will guarantee that Australia can actually.
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Speaker 1: Get close to net zero.
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Speaker 2: There's no possible way we can get there without nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: That's just the reality, as outlined by a raft of
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Speaker 2: experts around the world. So if you want net zero,
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Speaker 2: you must support nuclear energy. Also, Dartan and the Coalition
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Speaker 2: will cut immigration drastically. This again is just what this
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Speaker 2: country needs to take pressure off housing and infrastructure and
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Speaker 2: ease the cost of living crunch. The Coalition have proposed
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Speaker 2: a policy banning foreign investment in our housing market, and
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Speaker 2: that's such a good policy that Labor have already copied it.
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Speaker 2: And importantly, the Coalition is vowed to halt the endless
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Speaker 2: expansion of government and bureaucracy. Labor is adding an extra
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Speaker 2: thirty six thousand public servants, most of them in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: That's good for no one except the public sector unions
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Speaker 2: and the Labor party they support. The Coalition will get
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Speaker 2: back to making tax dollars work for taxpayers, not against them.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, that's just a start.
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Speaker 2: So if you hear Labor politicians and the Canberra Press
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Speaker 2: gallery telling you that the Coalition has no policies, there's
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Speaker 2: the rebuttal clear and unarguable. Contrast that with the long
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Speaker 2: list of Labor disasters where they have failed to deliver
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Speaker 2: what they promised. In other words, they want office on
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Speaker 2: a series of lies.
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Speaker 3: Remember this, we will put in place mechanisms that provide
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Speaker 3: cost of living relief.
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Speaker 2: Under Labor, you'll have a government which cares about cost
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Speaker 2: of living and has plans to deal with.
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Speaker 3: It, build people's living standards up a better future, with
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Speaker 3: real plans to addresses the cost of living.
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Speaker 2: And to ease the pressure that too many Australians a feeling.
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Speaker 2: Our cost of living, as you know, has only escalated.
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Speaker 2: We've all gone backwards. We've been in a per capita
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Speaker 2: recession for two years. Our cost of living is higher
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Speaker 2: and our standard of living is lower than three years ago.
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Speaker 3: And then there's this reducing power prices by two hundred
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Speaker 3: and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 2: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 2: a year.
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Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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Speaker 2: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 2: a year. Yeah, they promised a cut of two hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars a year by this year. They
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Speaker 2: promised it nearly one hundred times, and instead average electricity
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Speaker 2: prices have increased by at least four hundred dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: The situation is so bad that Labor is now spending
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Speaker 2: your tax dollars trying to subsidize your power bills. Appalling
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Speaker 2: economics and a clear broken promise.
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Speaker 1: But it gets worse.
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Speaker 3: Labor has real lasting plans for cheaper electricity, cheaper childcare,
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Speaker 3: cheaper mortgages.
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Speaker 1: Cheaper mortgages.
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Speaker 2: Well, under Labor, interest rates have increased not once or twice,
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Speaker 2: but a dozen times, sometimes by half a percentage point,
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Speaker 2: sometimes by a quarter of a percent. So yesterday's rate
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Speaker 2: cut means in net terms, there have been eleven rate
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Speaker 2: rises under Labor. In other words, mortgage interest rates remain
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Speaker 2: at double where they were when Labor won office. So
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Speaker 2: that's another broken promise from Anthony Albanesi. So, as I
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Speaker 2: did at the last election, I'm going to be putting
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Speaker 2: up some crucial questions for this election, and I'll be
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Speaker 2: inviting government representatives to come onto the program to answer them.
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Speaker 1: I predict that they won't.
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Speaker 2: Because they simply want to avoid the real questions rather
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Speaker 2: than answer them. The first question for the election is
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Speaker 2: this our Australians better off now than they were when
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Speaker 2: Labor came to office.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: The answer to that is obvious, of course, it's the
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Speaker 2: opposite to what we will promise. This is probably the
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Speaker 2: most important question and answer of the campaign. But I'm
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Speaker 2: going to add to the list of questions as the
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Speaker 2: campaign is, and already there's a second question that stands out.
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Speaker 2: You see, as voters, we value competence, don't we.
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Speaker 1: We know that no government can ever be.
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Speaker 2: Perfect, so we also think it's important that governments accept
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Speaker 2: responsibility and are accountable for correcting mistakes along the way.
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Speaker 1: Yet from alban.
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Speaker 2: Easy, we've just seen a parade of excuses and duck shoving.
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Speaker 3: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
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Speaker 3: advised about that. Of course, a stake bail scheme are
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Speaker 3: run by the States, but the Commonwealth Grant's Commission operates at.
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Speaker 1: Arms length from the government.
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Speaker 3: There is a big Australia and independent body and the
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Speaker 3: government doesn't direct them on what to do. This is
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Speaker 3: not my proposal. This is the Australian people's proposal. State
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Speaker 3: and Church of governments are responsible primarily for those issues.
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Speaker 2: This has become so endemning that I matched it to
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Speaker 2: that old song and two gb and the Robinson brothers
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Speaker 2: joined in to make the point is not.
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Speaker 1: A jew thinks not not not?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: People from around the country have contacted me to say
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Speaker 2: that as they tap their feet to that song, they
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Speaker 2: nod their heads, recognizing Labour's refusal to take responsibility. So
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Speaker 2: I think the second question that matters in this campaign
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Speaker 2: is have Albanesi and Labor taken responsibility for any of
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Speaker 2: their mistakes.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they have. In fact, their election pitch
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Speaker 1: seems to be pretty desperate. So far.
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Speaker 2: They are saying that no matter how bad things are,
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Speaker 2: they would have been even worse under the coalition. Sure
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Speaker 2: thing and Albanesi and Labor are again telling us that
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Speaker 2: everything will be better again if only we re elect them.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll even throw in a set of stake knives
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Speaker 2: this time. What they will get is a rails run
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Speaker 2: from most of the media. Albanesi and his team always
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Speaker 2: get an easy run at the ABC. An election is imminent,
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Speaker 2: does this afternoon's decision give you more confidence about the
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Speaker 2: likelihood of you winning?
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Speaker 3: People will make their own judgment, but what they'll look
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Speaker 3: at as a government that actually has responsible economic management,
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Speaker 3: that's dealing with strengthening Medicare, that's looking after people's education.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 2: As Paul Murray has been showing us here, Labor have
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Speaker 2: been cutting up fake videos to spread lies about Medicare.
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Speaker 1: Here's the fake news they've been spreading. We're very clear
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Speaker 1: about this.
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Speaker 2: Medicare is dead. They can't be for free. We have
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Speaker 2: to pay for a world class medical system. We are
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Speaker 2: determined to send a price signal so that we can
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Speaker 2: move away from the view that everything can be for
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Speaker 2: free in health in this country because it can't.
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Speaker 1: Be authorized by pter Erickson alp camera, Medicare is dead.
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Speaker 4: Hey.
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Speaker 1: And here's what Dutton actually said more than ten years ago.
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Speaker 2: So the government is determined to make sure that Medicare
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Speaker 2: is sustainable. We are determined to send a price signal
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Speaker 2: so that we can move away from the view that
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Speaker 2: everything can be for free in health in this.
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Speaker 1: Country because it can't be. We're very clear about this.
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Speaker 2: Medicare is dead if we can't make it sustainable today.
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Speaker 2: But we are absolutely determined to make Medicare sustainable. Labor
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Speaker 2: and dirty tricks on Medicare, some things always stay the same.
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Speaker 3: Hey.
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Speaker 1: And another familiar site in the.
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Speaker 2: Lead up to an election is a right of center
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Speaker 2: rogue running from Queensland. We've had Joe, we've had Catter,
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Speaker 2: we've had Pauline, and we've had Clive.
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Speaker 1: And this year it's going to be Clive again.
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Speaker 2: But this time Clive Palmer is styling himself as an
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Speaker 2: ossie Donald Trump running under the Trumpet of Patriots banner.
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Speaker 6: The party believes in the policies of Donald Trump, which
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Speaker 6: is shown to be effective in bringing management back on track.
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Speaker 6: Australia needs Trump policies, Australias want them.
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Speaker 2: I'm tipping he won't be nearly as successful as Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: but he will cause headaches for both major parties, although
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Speaker 2: it's the coalition who could lose out most if Palmer
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Speaker 2: and his trumpets further fracture the right of center vote.
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Speaker 2: Over the past couple of weeks, I've been keeping you
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Speaker 2: up to date with a major story that most of
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Speaker 2: the national media have been busy trying to ignore. It's
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Speaker 2: the future of the Wyala still Works and the associated
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Speaker 2: six hundred million dollar green hydrogen plant. Like so many
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Speaker 2: heavy industry and so many green hydrogen projects, this whole
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Speaker 2: pipe dream has been struggling badly. The still works, shutting
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Speaker 2: down for periods and losing money. This is an industry,
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Speaker 2: a town, and a green dream on the brink, and
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Speaker 2: it has been for years, even though lay politicians have
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Speaker 2: mocked the fears.
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Speaker 4: Nor why Ala wipe out there on my TV? No,
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Speaker 4: why Ala wipe out there on my TV? Nor why
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Speaker 4: Allah wipe out there on my TV? Shocking me right
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Speaker 4: out of my brain? Shocking me right out of my brain?
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Speaker 2: Well, how hilarious. I'm sure they're rolling in the aisles
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Speaker 2: in Wyaler. I thought labor was all about the workers
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Speaker 2: and taking their concerns seriously. So dire is the situation
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Speaker 2: now with the Wyala Still Works, owned by British billionaire
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Speaker 2: san Jeev Gupta, owing millions to the South Australian state
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Speaker 2: government and to local small businesses, that the Labor Premier
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Speaker 2: of South Australia, Peter Malanowskis, has passed emergency legislation and
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Speaker 2: put the company into administration.
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Speaker 7: It is unacceptable for such an important critical piece of
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Speaker 7: economic infrastructure for the nation to be in a situation
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Speaker 7: where its ongoing operations are so severely compromised, as we
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Speaker 7: believe was the case prior to today. By putting one
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Speaker 7: still Manufacturing into administration, it will allow for the administra
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Speaker 7: into administration. It will allow for the administrator to stabilize
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Speaker 7: the business, put it on a far shorer footing in
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Speaker 7: the immediate future, with the view to secure its long
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Speaker 7: term future.
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Speaker 1: This is a dramatic move.
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Speaker 2: It's about saving not only the still Works, but yes,
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Speaker 2: why hour the still city that yet again really does
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Speaker 2: face a wipeout.
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Speaker 7: Today we remove so much of the uncertainty and we
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Speaker 7: step the Wiler community into a new direction for a new,
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Speaker 7: more secure future for still making in this country and
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Speaker 7: the benefit of a town that is such a proud
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Speaker 7: history and will continue, you'd have a proud future.
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Speaker 2: The steel works employs directly three thousand people and the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy Labor government has already pumped sixty three million dollars
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Speaker 2: into Gupta Zwuyala steel operations. Now the state government is
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Speaker 2: effectively in control. As for the associated Green Hydrogen project
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Speaker 2: that it's already been gifted five hundred and ninety three
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Speaker 2: million dollars of taxpayers support. The Premier says it'd be
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Speaker 2: pointless without the steel works.
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Speaker 7: We absolutely believe as a government that hydrogen will have
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Speaker 7: a role to play and the decalbonization of stel in
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Speaker 7: the future, I mean it is the way to do it.
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Speaker 7: I mean we can question timing and when that might occur,
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Speaker 7: but at some point we'll be part of the future.
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Speaker 7: And whatn't want to say about what we're doing with
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Speaker 7: our own plans tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: This is a major problem for South Australia, its government
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Speaker 2: and its economy, but it also plays into the federal
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Speaker 2: election campaign because yet again Labour's green hydrogen and energy
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Speaker 2: plans are exposed.
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Speaker 3: My government sees enormous potentially in green hydrogen and will
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Speaker 3: look for opportunities to back green hydrogen.
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Speaker 1: Projects under an urban, easy labor government.
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Speaker 8: These jobs will be secure because we'll be leading the
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Speaker 8: global green hydrogen revolution.
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Speaker 2: Yeah some revolution, Chris Bowen, More like a wipeout little wonder.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is heading to Wyala with the premiere tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Surely they're not going to pump more taxpayers money into this,
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Speaker 2: are they. If you need any clarification about the horrors
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Speaker 2: of the Middle East conflict and the absolute heartlessness, brutality
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Speaker 2: and depravity of the terrorists of Hamas and their supporters,
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Speaker 2: then it comes today in the form of an announcement
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Speaker 2: from the blood thirsty is the most extremist outfit here,
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Speaker 2: it is reported by the BBC Hummas announcing it.
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Speaker 1: Is to return four bodies of hostages.
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Speaker 2: Hammas says it will hand over the bodies of four
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Speaker 2: hostages on Thursday, including the two youngest people held by
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian Armed Group. The group's negotiator, Khalil al Haayer
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Speaker 2: said the bodies to be released would include those of
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Speaker 2: the Bibas family, Shiri and her young children Kafir Dariel,
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Speaker 2: who were aged nine months and four years when Hummas
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Speaker 2: kidnapped them during the seventh of October twenty twenty three attack.
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Speaker 2: The dead bodies of this young mother and her two
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Speaker 2: infant Sums Sums are to be returned. This is the
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Speaker 2: horrific news we have been dreading since the very first
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Speaker 2: hours of this trauma, this abomination, more than sixteen months ago.
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Speaker 2: That's when we saw video footage filmed by the terrorists
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Speaker 2: or the Gars and civilians supporting them, as they took
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Speaker 2: Shiri Bibas hostage, as they kidnapped her at gunpoint, along
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Speaker 2: with little Kafir and Ariel, as she clung desperately to them.
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Speaker 2: We don't show you that vision because the family in
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Speaker 2: Israel finds it too distressing. There they were alive and
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Speaker 2: healthy when taken by these monsters. Now they are dead.
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Speaker 2: This has long been suspected. They may have been dead
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Speaker 2: for over a year. However, they died during this conflict.
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Speaker 2: They are only dead because these evil terrorists kidnapped them,
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Speaker 2: so Hummus killed them. They are only dead because Hummas
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Speaker 2: and its supporters considered that apart from slaughtering.
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Speaker 1: And defiling innocent men, women, and children.
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Speaker 2: It was also okay to take a mother and a
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Speaker 2: four year old and her nine month old sons, take
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Speaker 2: these children hostage to keep them as human shields while
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Speaker 2: they committed their atrocities and deliberately incited their horrible and
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Speaker 2: pointless war. Shiri Bibbas a mother who like any mother,
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Speaker 2: would not and could not let go of her boys,
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Speaker 2: four year old Ariel, nine month old Kafir. Surely the
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Speaker 2: youngest hostages are now victims, adding to the Hummas death count.
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Speaker 2: Ask yourselves how often you heard you heard world leaders, politicians,
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Speaker 2: anti war activists, or Muslim community leaders demand the release
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Speaker 2: of the Bibas family. Ask yourselves how often the Western
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Speaker 2: media highlighted their plight while they ran Hummus.
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Speaker 1: Figures and propaganda about what was happening in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Ask yourselves how an organization that commits against humanity such
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Speaker 2: as this, day after day for more than five hundred days,
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Speaker 2: deserves any support or any justification in public debate, in
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Speaker 2: public protests, or in diplomatic negotiations. Instead, we see Hummus
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Speaker 2: terrorists out of their civilian clothes and parading around as soldiers.
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Speaker 2: Now because a ceasefire is in place, claiming some sort
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Speaker 2: of cutos for freeing yarden bee Bus just weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: while now they prepare to hand over the bodies of
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Speaker 2: his wife and children. These cowardly barbarians deserve no mercy.
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Speaker 2: Hummus needs to be eliminated and destroyed, not negotiated with.
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Speaker 2: Now they trade the bodies of kidnapped children to get
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Speaker 2: their own terrorists out of Israeli prisons. They can sink
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Speaker 2: no lower. The actions of humans cannot be more hideous.
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Speaker 2: Is believed that Hummas continues to hold thirty six living
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Speaker 2: hostages and thirty four dead bodies.
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Speaker 1: It's for those hostages. I wear this badge, and.
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Speaker 2: They'll continue to trade these living people and dead bodies
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Speaker 2: in these repugnant deals.
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Speaker 3: And in the.
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Speaker 2: Streets of our cities, activists regularly chant their support for
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Speaker 2: humm Us. Little wonder. Many of us feel that Western
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Speaker 2: civilization is in decline. Let me now go back to
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Speaker 2: domestic politics and catch up with the Nationals leader David
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Speaker 2: Little Proud, he joins us from Queensland.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I want to get on to the federal election campaign,
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Speaker 2: which is only days or weeks away. How much of
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Speaker 2: a disruption is it to you to have to deal
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Speaker 2: with Clive Palmer running yet again another campaign. He says
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Speaker 2: he will run all around the.
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Speaker 1: Country with Trumpian policies.
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Speaker 2: This is going to distract your voters and perhaps take
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Speaker 2: some of them away from you.
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Speaker 8: Well, Chris, just to put that in perspective you were
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Speaker 8: editorial is probably the most powerful I've just heard. That
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Speaker 8: was powerfully put and puts in the perspective of our
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Speaker 8: democracy here and what we're fighting for and what the people.
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Speaker 2: Have Israel been fighting for.
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Speaker 8: So I just want to acknowledge that. But it is
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Speaker 8: important that we get to this election obviously that our
21:47
Speaker 8: democracy is at a crossroads, and when you see the
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Speaker 8: streets of Sydney in Melbourne burning from people who want
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Speaker 8: to bring them that hate from the Middle East here
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Speaker 8: and perpetrate against people, the Jewish people who want to
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Speaker 8: go and worship their faith, and our democracy is in
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Speaker 8: decline and we have to do something about it, and
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Speaker 8: we have to stand firm. And I think Peter Dutton
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Speaker 8: and the coalition has been firm from the very first moment.
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Speaker 8: We have been resolute in the core principle and it's
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Speaker 8: important that people understand they go to vote, but there's
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Speaker 8: a clear choice. If you want to splinter the vote,
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Speaker 8: if you want to vote for a minor party or
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Speaker 8: for independence, then effectively you give Anthony Albin easier pathway
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Speaker 8: for three more years, three more years of government. And
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Speaker 8: look what's happened to the streets of our cities, Look
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Speaker 8: what's happened to our economy. We have an opportunity that
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Speaker 8: people in the Middle East don't have. We have an
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Speaker 8: opportunity to get this right in a couple of months time,
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Speaker 8: and we should use that and the power of that
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Speaker 8: democracy to make sure that we set our country back
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Speaker 8: on the right track, and that the hate isn't permeated,
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Speaker 8: and that our economy is put back on track. Because
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Speaker 8: our country isn't on track. It needs to be put
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Speaker 8: back on track, and it can only be done with
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Speaker 8: strength of leadership and with a clear choice. And that's
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Speaker 8: the coalition is going to give at the next election.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, David.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and I agree with a lot of that,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sorry I've got a bit emotional during that editorial, but.
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Speaker 1: I think most people around the country would do over
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Speaker 1: this particular issue. So let's try and just put.
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Speaker 2: That behind us, and I do want to talk about
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Speaker 2: the broader domestic debate, and we've seen it before with
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Speaker 2: one nation at their peak and with Clive Palmer in
23:29
Speaker 2: the past, where you get these right of center parties
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Speaker 2: and they attract a certain portion of the vote, tend
23:35
Speaker 2: not to get too many people in parliament, but they
23:37
Speaker 2: take first preferences away from the Nationals and the LNP
23:41
Speaker 2: and they don't all come.
23:41
Speaker 1: Back to you. You must be worried about that in
23:44
Speaker 1: such a tight election. Well it is.
23:48
Speaker 8: And this is the thing is that at the moment
23:50
Speaker 8: we're looking at a hung parliament, and that hung parliament
23:52
Speaker 8: could go either way with either go to the Labor
23:54
Speaker 8: Party or to the coalition. And what Peter and I
23:57
Speaker 8: try to do is give a clear choice, whether it
23:59
Speaker 8: be about your security or about the economy. But when
24:02
Speaker 8: we have people that tear away at that choice, and
24:06
Speaker 8: when you look at what Clide Palmer's perpetrating. Here is
24:10
Speaker 8: much of what we're going to do, but in Australian style.
24:12
Speaker 8: We're a different and sovereign nation. And while I agree
24:16
Speaker 8: with a lot of what President Trump is doing, and
24:19
Speaker 8: you've got to understand what we're a different country with
24:21
Speaker 8: different democracy and a different way of doing things. But
24:24
Speaker 8: we can do that in a uniquely Australian way, not
24:26
Speaker 8: an American way. And I think Peter Dutton and I
24:29
Speaker 8: will clearly articulate that. But if people tinker with minor
24:34
Speaker 8: parties and they tinker with independents, then they actually open
24:38
Speaker 8: up that pathway for three more years of Anthony Alberanezi.
24:41
Speaker 8: That's the risk of voting anything other than a national
24:44
Speaker 8: or Liberal candidate.
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Speaker 1: Just very quickly, David, because we are literally out of time.
24:49
Speaker 2: Is there any case for more taxpayers money going into
24:52
Speaker 2: the Wyalas still works. I'm certain that's where we might
24:55
Speaker 2: be heading when the Prime Minister and Premier go there tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Well, look, we've been very clear we want to make
25:01
Speaker 8: sure that we keep the steel works going, but we've
25:05
Speaker 8: got to fix the fundamentals and that's not with green hydrogen.
25:07
Speaker 8: And I think this is also an opportunity tomorrow for
25:10
Speaker 8: Premium Mellenarchis, who has been a long term proponent of
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Speaker 8: nuclear energy, to say let's walk away from this green
25:17
Speaker 8: hydrogen folly that will not underpin the fundamentals of this factory,
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Speaker 8: but in fact look to actually the future and let's
25:24
Speaker 8: get some gas in there quickly and then in the
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Speaker 8: long term I would have thought the premier coudu sotion
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Speaker 8: leadership and say let's put the first nuclear power plant
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Speaker 8: in South Australia underpin Wyala into the future.
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Speaker 1: Yes, spot on. Thanks for joining us, David, I appreciate it.
25:38
Speaker 2: National's leader there, David Little proud the amount of money
25:41
Speaker 2: that Peter Melanauskus is pumping into green hydrogen six hundred
25:44
Speaker 2: million dollars.
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Speaker 1: That's the total cost the upper cost of.
25:49
Speaker 2: The coalition's national nuclear energy plants. I work that one
25:53
Speaker 2: out Australia. Which one would be better for the country.
25:55
Speaker 2: Now let's continue the discussion on the economy. Yesterday's rate
25:58
Speaker 2: cut was welcome, musical, but a small change for most
26:01
Speaker 2: in small business who are battling rising power bills, rent, wages, stock.
26:06
Speaker 1: And everything else under the sun going up.
26:08
Speaker 2: The number of businesses going broke is up fifty percent
26:12
Speaker 2: this financial year, with over seven thousand companies forced to
26:15
Speaker 2: call in administrators. Amanda Rose is from Small Business Women Australia,
26:20
Speaker 2: joins me in the studio again.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again. Amanda.
26:24
Speaker 2: Tell us about this interest rate cut for small businesses.
26:26
Speaker 2: Does it tend to flow through to their loans or not.
26:31
Speaker 9: So when you think of thirty percent of small business
26:33
Speaker 9: owners don't even pay themselves or had to use cash
26:36
Speaker 9: reserves to pay their staff, so not in paying themselves.
26:41
Speaker 9: This cut doesn't make a dent less an a dent
26:44
Speaker 9: you know who won't even notice it. They need at
26:46
Speaker 9: least six for them to have some relief because, like
26:49
Speaker 9: you said at the beginning, they're spending that extra money,
26:52
Speaker 9: So it's one hundred dollars a month or two hundred
26:53
Speaker 9: dollars a month to being on the size of their loan.
26:55
Speaker 9: That's going to the energy costs which have blown out
26:59
Speaker 9: way more than they've been promised. There's insurances and also
27:03
Speaker 9: now they have to hire experts to help them understand
27:05
Speaker 9: all the new legislation that Labor's brought in.
27:07
Speaker 2: They might have mortgages themselves, So that'll be some relief
27:10
Speaker 2: at home, I said, But what about their business to
27:13
Speaker 2: the banks? Pass on that interest rate cut to the
27:15
Speaker 2: business overdrafts and the like.
27:16
Speaker 1: Well, if they.
27:17
Speaker 9: Don't, they need to negotiate, renegotiate and find another bank
27:21
Speaker 9: and other option. But also there is this narrative going
27:23
Speaker 9: around that the everyday consume it's going to pump all
27:26
Speaker 9: this money into the economy. They ain't going to go
27:28
Speaker 9: and spend it at the small business No they're not.
27:30
Speaker 9: They're going to pay the school fees with that. They go,
27:33
Speaker 9: you know, they literally it's not like, oh Wow, we've
27:35
Speaker 9: got an extra hundred dollars, let's go to our local
27:37
Speaker 9: cafe and splurge. That's not going to happen. So I
27:40
Speaker 9: think we need to be very careful that this isn't
27:42
Speaker 9: something that's very exciting. We need to keep the pressure
27:45
Speaker 9: on the government, keep the pressure on the RBA to
27:48
Speaker 9: say people are still struggling and small businesses will continue
27:52
Speaker 9: to close every single day if something doesn't change.
27:55
Speaker 2: The other worry, of course, is what's going to happen
27:57
Speaker 2: to electricity prices Once the government subsidies run out, they
28:01
Speaker 2: can't roll them on forever. I'm certain label will announce
28:05
Speaker 2: another few billion dollars to keep them going another six months.
28:08
Speaker 1: Or a year, right, But it's phony and it's just
28:10
Speaker 1: delaying the inevitable it is.
28:12
Speaker 9: And people don't realize it's our money. So these small
28:15
Speaker 9: businesses are paying exorbitant taxes every possible way that money
28:19
Speaker 9: is then subsidizing energy companies so then the small business
28:23
Speaker 9: can pay more for their electricity and their energy. It's
28:26
Speaker 9: an absolute rout and it's destroying the small business community.
28:29
Speaker 9: And it's evident that the current government, based on their
28:32
Speaker 9: small business strategy they put together, which was about sixty
28:35
Speaker 9: pages of nothing, that they don't care about small business.
28:38
Speaker 9: And in fact, I'm convinced they hate small business because
28:41
Speaker 9: they've done absolutely nothing to help them.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Amanda, I appreciate it. Not much
28:46
Speaker 2: good news there for small business around the country. Now
28:48
Speaker 2: stick around after the break, I'm going to catch up
28:50
Speaker 2: with psychiatrist and Muslim Australian tan Via Ahmed with his
28:54
Speaker 2: reaction to the nurses and anti Semitism scandal. Still no
29:03
Speaker 2: charges have been laid against those Sydney nurses from Bankstown
29:06
Speaker 2: Hospital when they're shocking anti Semitic rant.
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Speaker 1: Let's say an Israeli God for beat them. I won't
29:14
Speaker 1: treat them, I'll kill them. You'll kill them.
29:17
Speaker 5: So if an Israeli is in Australia and God forbid
29:20
Speaker 5: something happened to him and he comes to your hospital, would.
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Speaker 6: You kill him?
29:25
Speaker 1: You okay, you have no idea.
29:27
Speaker 10: How many Israeli a dog came to this hospital.
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Speaker 6: And I.
29:36
Speaker 2: Want to get another Muslim community perspective on this, and
29:39
Speaker 2: it comes from psychiatrist tan Via Ahmed, who was raised
29:42
Speaker 2: a Muslim in Western Sydney and has professional dealings with
29:46
Speaker 2: the Bankstown Hospital. Ahmed writes in Today's Daily Telegraph that
29:50
Speaker 2: we shouldn't have been surprised by these attitudes. The underbelly
29:55
Speaker 2: of anti Semitism is very strong within Muslim communities, he writes,
29:59
Speaker 2: only the culture of denial. Dr tan Via Med is
30:04
Speaker 2: a good friend of this program. He joins me, Now,
30:06
Speaker 2: fantastic column.
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Speaker 1: Tanvia tell me.
30:08
Speaker 2: About this, because if I'm to say something like this,
30:11
Speaker 2: so I'm shouted down as Islamophobic, but the Muslim community
30:16
Speaker 2: and anti Semitism, they're going down.
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Speaker 5: It is a challenge. I guess it's couched in anti
30:22
Speaker 5: Israel feeling, but I mean you're I mean, I grew
30:25
Speaker 5: up with it, and you don't really think of anything
30:26
Speaker 5: growing up with it, and the average Muslim that you
30:29
Speaker 5: do get a degree of segregation in Australian cities. I mean,
30:32
Speaker 5: Jewish community is relatively small and they're often in pocket
30:34
Speaker 5: geographical pockets, and the Muslim communities are often in out
30:38
Speaker 5: of metropolitan area is the more likely to be newer immigrants,
30:40
Speaker 5: lower socio economic groups. So I didn't meet a Jewish
30:43
Speaker 5: person until I was in high school, and then I
30:45
Speaker 5: remember going to bar mitzvah in in year seven. You're
30:48
Speaker 5: making circumcision jokes or something like this. You know, like
30:50
Speaker 5: you've got the very very that's when they were humanized.
30:53
Speaker 5: I think that's a big issue here. But I do
30:55
Speaker 5: think from an early, very early age, you're fed a
30:58
Speaker 5: diet of anti Jewish I mean hatred the strong word,
31:03
Speaker 5: but certainly a strong anger towards them, and it's couched
31:07
Speaker 5: in a broader sense of that civilizational humiliation.
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Speaker 1: It's like the West are holding us.
31:11
Speaker 5: Back, they're anti Muslim. And then that's where the Jews Israel,
31:17
Speaker 5: that sense of anti Western colonialism do. They all feed
31:21
Speaker 5: into each other and Palestine become this meta peak issue.
31:25
Speaker 5: I mean, look what we've been seeing the last fine
31:27
Speaker 5: ten months. It's heating into so many different corners of
31:29
Speaker 5: our society. That's why Palestine is the absolute peak issue
31:33
Speaker 5: that represents all this undercurrent.
31:36
Speaker 2: That reflects this Muslim victimhood attitude that I've often talked
31:42
Speaker 2: about on this program. And this is why I believe
31:45
Speaker 2: and know that the Muslim extremists and terrorist organizations they
31:48
Speaker 2: never want the Palestinian question to be settled because they
31:51
Speaker 2: want it as an ongoing struggle that feeds into this
31:55
Speaker 2: story of oppression and victimhood. And you make the point
31:59
Speaker 2: of neu Artical that it's actually quite a recent development,
32:02
Speaker 2: all of this anti Semitism and that hatred and that victimhood,
32:06
Speaker 2: because going back over the centuries, there were successful Jewish
32:10
Speaker 2: communities right across the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: Well that's right.
32:13
Speaker 5: Often they co existed reasonably well, and the type of
32:17
Speaker 5: and also anti Semitism was much more rife in a
32:19
Speaker 5: wider range of groups, often Christian. Most anti Semitis historically
32:22
Speaker 5: is Christian right, but in the last half century or
32:25
Speaker 5: so it's become thoroughly Muslim. Yes, there's white you know,
32:28
Speaker 5: white extremist groups, as always pointed out, groups, they've got
32:32
Speaker 5: leftist groups that latch onto anti Israel stuff, but it
32:35
Speaker 5: has become a predominantly Muslim problem, and it overlaps a
32:38
Speaker 5: lot with the Islamism ideology. And I think there's a
32:41
Speaker 5: very strong culture of denial, and I think that recent
32:44
Speaker 5: incidents particularly and while this has been bubbling away in
32:47
Speaker 5: the background for a long time. I think we're reaching
32:49
Speaker 5: this flashpoint now. You know, with multicultural communities, it's very
32:53
Speaker 5: hard to coexist when these views are so rampant and
32:56
Speaker 5: coming on a victim And yes there's Muslim victimhood. And look,
32:58
Speaker 5: modern political batter in the West are often battles of victimhood.
33:02
Speaker 5: So you know it's two groups fighting over victimhood. And
33:05
Speaker 5: I know you've referenced Usma Kuwaja talking about wells.
33:11
Speaker 1: Spring this up now because this is usb treat from yesterday.
33:14
Speaker 2: Australian cricketer loved and admired by people right across the
33:19
Speaker 2: country and he's saying that last Thursday this happened. It
33:21
Speaker 2: was an incident in Melbourne's referring to where where some
33:24
Speaker 2: women were attacked. Absolutely atrocious. No one has mentioned it
33:27
Speaker 2: or talked about it. It'll be swept under the rug
33:29
Speaker 2: like all attacks against the Islamic community. Prime Minister and
33:33
Speaker 2: definitely not the Opposition leader will not mention it. It's
33:35
Speaker 2: amazing how one sided this is.
33:37
Speaker 1: Now.
33:37
Speaker 2: There had been an attack and there were suggestions that
33:40
Speaker 2: it might have been Islamophobic, but there was no proof,
33:44
Speaker 2: no arrests, and the.
33:45
Speaker 1: Police weren't saying anything.
33:47
Speaker 2: Let's just give you an update on that because there
33:49
Speaker 2: have been developments today.
33:51
Speaker 1: As covered by Sky.
33:52
Speaker 11: News, Hey woman has been charged with allegedly attacking two
33:56
Speaker 11: Muslim women at a Melbourne shopping center. The thirty one
33:59
Speaker 11: year old Pasco Vale woman was arrested this morning. A
34:03
Speaker 11: twenty seven year old Muslim woman was allegedly punched and
34:06
Speaker 11: slapped in the head at Eppin Plaza on February thirteen,
34:10
Speaker 11: while a thirty year old pregnant woman was also attacked
34:12
Speaker 11: from behind on the same day. Police believe the women
34:15
Speaker 11: were allegedly targeted due to their head coverings.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's appalling and on the face of it,
34:21
Speaker 2: that could be an Islamophobic attack and we would all
34:25
Speaker 2: deplore that. But the issue here is the way someone
34:27
Speaker 2: like Usmond Kowaja says that this shows a bias. How
34:32
Speaker 2: can that be equoted this incident that's only happened in
34:34
Speaker 2: the last few days, with a whole series of fire
34:37
Speaker 2: bombings of cars, graffiti, a synagogue burnt down, explosive founds.
34:43
Speaker 1: In a caravan of nurses wishing people.
34:45
Speaker 5: Dead, It's like, hey, you get that moral equivalence of
34:48
Speaker 5: some of the Hamas attacks on what the Israeli army do.
34:50
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess I would add this, there's a perception,
34:53
Speaker 5: and I don't necessarily agree with this perception, but I
34:55
Speaker 5: guess there's a perception in Muslim communities and sometimes other
34:58
Speaker 5: ethnic communities that the jewishmmunity with the Holocaust monopolized suffering, right,
35:03
Speaker 5: and using monopolizing suffering, then that gives them justification to
35:07
Speaker 5: do all sorts of other stuff, you know, sometimes atrocities
35:09
Speaker 5: and behave badly. So that's why we're seeing this battle
35:13
Speaker 5: of suffering. Who's suffering more? But absolutely we should condemn
35:17
Speaker 5: his zomophobia, but we're seeing some horrific anti submitted attacks.
35:20
Speaker 2: I think, not really all this time, and let's hope
35:22
Speaker 2: it stays that way. We don't want to see a
35:25
Speaker 2: rise in Islamophobia at all.
35:26
Speaker 1: But I really hope that the.
35:27
Speaker 5: Fact that these two are pillars of the community, the
35:30
Speaker 5: nurses I have, that will really expose and bring out
35:33
Speaker 5: you know, so many peace loving and so many wasn't
35:36
Speaker 5: contributing greatly saying look, let's face it, this is a problem.
35:40
Speaker 5: We can modify this and still be critical of Israel.
35:42
Speaker 2: Great insights Tamvia great to catch up with you, and
35:45
Speaker 2: we'll keep in touch on these issues.
35:47
Speaker 1: Doctor Tamvia are med there.
35:48
Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break, going to talk
35:50
Speaker 2: about some top diplomats from Russia and the US now
35:53
Speaker 2: meeting in Saudi Arabia to discuss Ukraine.
35:56
Speaker 1: Why wasn't Ukraine there?
36:02
Speaker 3: Now?
36:02
Speaker 2: The top diplomats from Russia and the US, including the
36:05
Speaker 2: new Secretary of State Marco Rubio, have met in Saudi
36:09
Speaker 2: Arabia to discuss a possible end to the war in Ukraine.
36:13
Speaker 1: He is the latest from sky News UK.
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Speaker 12: Positive, upbeat and constructive. The US assessment of this extraordinary
36:22
Speaker 12: meeting a thawing of ties between two foes on ice
36:27
Speaker 12: since Russia invaded Ukraine. Kiev on the agenda, but not
36:31
Speaker 12: in the room.
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Speaker 11: The goal is to bring an end to this conflict
36:34
Speaker 11: in a way that's fair and during, sustainable and acceptable
36:37
Speaker 11: to our parties involved.
36:38
Speaker 12: Vlodi Meszelenski wants British and other foreign forces on the
36:42
Speaker 12: ground to secure any ceasefire deal. In a sign of
36:46
Speaker 12: his displeasure at the talks between Washington and Moscow, he
36:50
Speaker 12: ditched a plan to travel on to Saudi Arabia.
36:54
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Michael Schubridge from Strategic Analysis Australia.
36:57
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Michael.
36:58
Speaker 2: Now there's no doubt it's good news is that you've
37:00
Speaker 2: got Russia and America talking about this problem. But is
37:04
Speaker 2: it wise not to have Zelenski in the room or
37:07
Speaker 2: his representative, No.
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Speaker 1: Chris, it's not.
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Speaker 13: There's an active war going on and that war is
37:15
Speaker 13: being fought between Russia and Ukraine, and anyone that discounts
37:20
Speaker 13: Ukraine in this war forgets There've been the one that's
37:23
Speaker 13: been fighting Russia quite successfully.
37:26
Speaker 1: For four years.
37:28
Speaker 13: And how odd to have a meeting about the Russia
37:31
Speaker 13: Ukraine war in Saudi Arabia when, of course there's another
37:35
Speaker 13: war still going on right next door.
37:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it is rather odd.
37:40
Speaker 2: Indeed, let's go forward though, if we can, presumably if
37:44
Speaker 2: there's further discussions that bring Ukraine in and maybe even NATO.
37:49
Speaker 2: But more importantly, I suppose it's the question already that's
37:52
Speaker 2: being raised of the security guarantee for Ukraine.
37:58
Speaker 1: Can the US that.
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Speaker 6: Well?
38:02
Speaker 13: Will the US provide that? I think it's the right
38:05
Speaker 13: question President Trump. President Trump is saying he won't, so
38:11
Speaker 13: his public remarks sound like Vladimir Putin's terms. So there's
38:18
Speaker 13: to be no NATO security guarantee for Ukraine. US troops
38:22
Speaker 13: won't be involved, maybe some Europeans will. The Ukraine is
38:26
Speaker 13: to demilitarize, and Ukraine is to accept that Russia's occupied
38:31
Speaker 13: all its territory that it has during the war. And
38:34
Speaker 13: President Trump today even said there need to be elections
38:38
Speaker 13: in Ukraine because Zelenski isn't democratic. It's bizarre to have
38:46
Speaker 13: Putin's terms coming out of the American president's mouth. What
38:50
Speaker 13: are America's terms for ending the war?
38:52
Speaker 6: Yeah?
38:53
Speaker 2: Exactly now thinking this through though, Also, if there were
38:57
Speaker 2: British troops there and say German or French because they're
39:01
Speaker 2: members of NATO, would that effectively rope in a US guarantee?
39:07
Speaker 13: I think that's the Europeans hope. So British Prime Minister
39:11
Speaker 13: Keir Starmer has actively said he's open to putting peacekeeping
39:16
Speaker 13: troops in, but they'd need a US backstop, which is
39:20
Speaker 13: another way of saying they'd need an American security guarantee,
39:24
Speaker 13: and that's something Donald Trump has said he won't give.
39:27
Speaker 2: Well, nearly out of time, Michael, but can you just
39:29
Speaker 2: give me your thoughts on these repugnant trades now of
39:33
Speaker 2: children's body, children's bodies and their mother's body for.
39:38
Speaker 1: Terrorists in Israeli jails.
39:41
Speaker 13: Well, if Hamas wanted to harden Israeli policy and make
39:45
Speaker 13: it more likely that the war resumes, how they're parading
39:50
Speaker 13: these damaged hostages and now dead young children and their
39:54
Speaker 13: mothers is the best way for them to restart the war.
39:58
Speaker 13: It'll harden Israeli hearts as it should.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it. Michael Schubridge
40:04
Speaker 2: there from strategic analysis. Australia got to take a break.
40:07
Speaker 2: On the other side of it, we've got the Wednesday Wrangle.
40:09
Speaker 2: Danika de Georgio joins us this week with Justin Smith.
40:13
Speaker 2: Voters rejecting a big Australia immigration strategy.
40:17
Speaker 1: That'll be a big issue in the campaign.
40:18
Speaker 2: Plus more on Clive Palmer's new trumpet of Patriots Party.
40:28
Speaker 2: It being Wednesday LEDs wrangle, but with a twist this week,
40:31
Speaker 2: filling in for Liz Storer is the fantastic Danika de Georgiosday's.
40:36
Speaker 1: Great to see you, Denika, and.
40:37
Speaker 2: Your opponent in Melbourne is Justin Smith, broadcast and author.
40:42
Speaker 1: Good to see you both. Let's first start off with it.
40:45
Speaker 1: What I think is going to be a big election issue.
40:48
Speaker 2: And a survey today, a new survey out today showing
40:51
Speaker 2: that most Australians don't want the levels of immigration we've
40:56
Speaker 2: got at the moment. This doesn't surprise anybody justin I
40:58
Speaker 2: think we want to hear a lot more of it
41:00
Speaker 2: between now and polling day.
41:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a big one.
41:04
Speaker 14: But I wonder this because I'll be the first guy
41:06
Speaker 14: to put my hand up and say, do most Australians
41:10
Speaker 14: who said that they don't believe in immigration or they
41:14
Speaker 14: believe that we should drop immigration, the most Australians actually
41:18
Speaker 14: understand it, because I wouldn't have the first clue whether
41:21
Speaker 14: we've got the number right or wrong, or what the
41:23
Speaker 14: exact number should be. I mean, And so when you
41:27
Speaker 14: throw this question out there, it's like when you throw
41:29
Speaker 14: out the question about the death penalty to people believe
41:31
Speaker 14: in the death penalty, that usually hits in the.
41:33
Speaker 1: Majority as well.
41:34
Speaker 14: I would just say, with the greatest of respect to
41:36
Speaker 14: a majority of my fellow Australians, I would say, they
41:39
Speaker 14: wouldn't have the first bloody clue works.
41:42
Speaker 2: I have a higher opinion of Australian voters and I
41:45
Speaker 2: think they understand this implicitly, Denique.
41:47
Speaker 1: I mean, the point is that our current net migration is.
41:50
Speaker 2: About some of them, is about double what it was
41:54
Speaker 2: at a high peak, you know, at the really height
41:56
Speaker 2: of our immigration boom under the in the Howard years
41:59
Speaker 2: when it was orderly but high. We're getting something over
42:02
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand people a year. We're talking five hundred
42:05
Speaker 2: thousand a year.
42:06
Speaker 10: Well, there's been more than one point one million that
42:08
Speaker 10: have come into this country since Labor took office. And
42:11
Speaker 10: the reality is, Chris, nobody ever voted for a big Australia.
42:15
Speaker 10: Yet here we are living a big Australia in the
42:18
Speaker 10: middle of a housing crisis where people can't pay their rents,
42:20
Speaker 10: can't find accommodation, the homelessness crisis has gotten worse. So
42:24
Speaker 10: I actually disagree with Justin. I think Australians are acutely.
42:27
Speaker 1: Aware to the number going on. Well, what do you
42:29
Speaker 1: want the number to be?
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Speaker 7: There?
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Speaker 10: Put it this way, Justin Peter Dutton has vowed to
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Speaker 10: cut net migration to one hundred and forty thousand per year,
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Speaker 10: and you've got economists coming out like Leif van Nonslin.
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Speaker 1: They say that that is not even enough.
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Speaker 10: It needs to be lower because we're running on a
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Speaker 10: Ponzi scheme economy right now.
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Speaker 1: It is the only thing that is.
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Speaker 10: Propping up this economy is our immigration rate. Without that,
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Speaker 10: we'd be stuffed, but we are stuff regardless.
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Speaker 1: I'm interesting, I know what the figure is.
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Speaker 14: I'm just saying that you cannot just talk against immigration
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Speaker 14: as though it's going to be terrific if we cut
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Speaker 14: at the you know, the three of us know that
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Speaker 14: the economy just doesn't work that way. Again, I'm not
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Speaker 14: saying but should be. But I think most people are
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Speaker 14: clueless on there.
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Speaker 2: Nobody's saying eliminate immigration here, justin The point is that
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Speaker 2: even labor has admitted that its own program is running
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Speaker 2: out of control. They want to cut it back, but
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Speaker 2: they've just failed to do so. So I think the
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Speaker 2: fact that it needs to be trimmed is agreed by everybody.
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Speaker 2: It's a matter of a government having the capacity to
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Speaker 2: do it. I do just want to go to the US, though,
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Speaker 2: because this is one of the few issues I think
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Speaker 2: is directly mirrored between these two political environments, if you like,
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Speaker 2: because border protection and immigration has been a massive problem
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Speaker 2: under the Democrats in the US.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at Christynames. She's the new Secretary for
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Speaker 1: Homeland Security.
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Speaker 2: This is her message not just to Americans, but the
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Speaker 2: people who want to be Americans.
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Speaker 15: Let me deliver a message from President Trump to the world.
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Speaker 15: If you are considering entering America illegally, don't even think
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Speaker 15: about it. Let me be clear, if you come to
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Speaker 15: our country and you break our laws, we will hunt
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Speaker 15: you down. Criminals are not welcome in the United States.
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Speaker 15: For too long, week leadership has left our borders wide open,
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Speaker 15: flooding our communities with drugs, human trafficking, and violent criminals. Well,
44:22
Speaker 15: those days are over. Under President Trump, we are defending
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Speaker 15: American families and restoring their safety. If you try to
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Speaker 15: enter illegally, you will be caught, you will be removed.
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Speaker 2: And you will never return to think you shades of
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Speaker 2: John Howard on steroids.
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Speaker 10: Oh isn't it just brilliant to hear that? You know,
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Speaker 10: Donald Trump ran on a make America Great CAMPAI. I
44:45
Speaker 10: don't know why Justin's laughing. I think this is a
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Speaker 10: very strong This is a strong message. This is a
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Speaker 10: sort of messaging Justin that we need here in this
44:52
Speaker 10: country right now because let's ah, yeah, no, but let's
44:55
Speaker 10: not forget justin that we let three thousand gozends into
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Speaker 10: this country without proper visa checks, with little to know
45:03
Speaker 10: security checks. The majority of Ghazans supported the October seven massacre.
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Speaker 10: Look at the High Court decision where there were a
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Speaker 10: certain amount of criminals, and it's alleged that many of
45:14
Speaker 10: them then committed further crimes once they were let out.
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Speaker 10: Why haven't we got strong messaging and strong leadership in
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Speaker 10: this country like that?
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Speaker 2: Just before I got to Justin, I think the three
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Speaker 2: thousand visas have been issued, but about half of them
45:26
Speaker 2: have actually been brought into this country. But justin, surely
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Speaker 2: we've been through this argument so many times. Immigration, yes,
45:33
Speaker 2: but orderly you can't just open the.
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Speaker 1: Borders to illegal immigrants, even criminals.
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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, absolutely, but let's not let's not get turned
45:43
Speaker 14: racist as we do it. And you look, when you
45:46
Speaker 14: look at that there no nothing from Daneka. No, I
45:52
Speaker 14: didn't mean that about Daneka. But when you have a
45:54
Speaker 14: look at that campaign from Trump, the first thing I
45:56
Speaker 14: would say is that why is it that all the
45:58
Speaker 14: Trump cabinets look like they've been AI generated? And the
46:02
Speaker 14: second thing is they talk about keeping criminals out of America.
46:06
Speaker 14: That just that campaign. You look at that spot again,
46:09
Speaker 14: that absolutely smacks of racism. They weren't too particularly keen
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Speaker 14: about keeping criminals out of the White House, but they
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Speaker 14: seem to be wanting to keep them out with this campaign.
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Speaker 1: I think that's an appallance.
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Speaker 14: I think that's a disgusting campaign to be free.
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Speaker 10: It's got nothing to do with racism, justin it is
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Speaker 10: about being strong. Well, we're watching the same clip putting
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Speaker 10: your country first. That is that is a warning to
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Speaker 10: people to say no, if you are a criminal, you're
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Speaker 10: not going to become this country.
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Speaker 14: I don't shape has committed crimes. And I hope you're president.
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Speaker 2: I hope you're not being sexist either by suggesting the
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Speaker 2: Christian nome is AI generated or something. But let's stay
46:45
Speaker 2: in the US because there's female well they're fake and
46:51
Speaker 2: they're phony, apparently the Trump cabinet. Let's let's stick with
46:55
Speaker 2: Trump because today you gave an extraordinary interview to Sean Hannitsy,
46:58
Speaker 2: a joint interview between Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
47:01
Speaker 1: Here's what Elon Musk had to say about the President.
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Speaker 1: The President has been so unfairly attacked in the media.
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Speaker 1: It's truly outrageous.
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Speaker 9: And I've spent at this point spent a lot of
47:13
Speaker 9: time with President and not once have I seen him
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Speaker 9: do something that was mean.
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Speaker 2: Or cruel or on no surprise, Elon Musk likes Donald Trump.
47:24
Speaker 2: But let me throw in another grape here. Bring it
47:26
Speaker 2: back to Australia so we can get a word from
47:28
Speaker 2: each of our panelists on the joint topic if you like,
47:31
Speaker 2: because he's Clive Palmer who's clearly running now as Australia's
47:36
Speaker 2: rotund Donald Trump.
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Speaker 6: Very appropriate for this election because it's the Trump pet
47:43
Speaker 6: of patriots, it's that Trump. But I'm more than happy
47:46
Speaker 6: to spend my funds on something predictive, defending the writer
47:50
Speaker 6: of free speech, and whatever's required to be spent, it
47:53
Speaker 6: will be spent.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know reality TV. That's what politics
47:58
Speaker 2: has become, justin here and in the un US.
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Speaker 14: Well, Clive certainly was an AI generated for a start,
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Speaker 14: but I that you've got to admire. You've got to
48:09
Speaker 14: admire his tenacity, don't you. The Australian people have already
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Speaker 14: well and truly said what they think about Clive Palmer.
48:16
Speaker 14: Yet he's coming back. He's given it one more go,
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Speaker 14: and that's probably the worst name for a political party
48:22
Speaker 14: I've ever heard.
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Speaker 11: What is it?
48:23
Speaker 14: Samuel Johnson said that Patriotism is the last refuge of
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Speaker 14: the scoundrel.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's hilarious, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: We're about to be bombarded by Clive Palmer ads again.
48:31
Speaker 10: I think that's why it's heady. I've got to say though,
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Speaker 10: I know, I know, but on paper, I've got to
48:37
Speaker 10: say this really quickly.
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Speaker 1: Chris.
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Speaker 10: On paper, I actually think it doesn't look too bad.
48:41
Speaker 10: He's rallying for policies like a reduction in him trans athletes,
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Speaker 10: rescinding Kevin Rudd's posting to the US a.
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Speaker 1: Trumpet, a trumpet for everyone at least. A problem with this.
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Speaker 14: The problem with this is Clive part trump patrol.
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Speaker 2: Now we've only got a few seconds left, but I've
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Speaker 2: got to get your take.
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Speaker 1: De Nico call me if you like. But the alb
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Speaker 1: and Easy spread in the Women's Weekly, look at this.
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Speaker 10: Look at this beautiful moment, Chris holding hands, strolling through
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Speaker 10: a forest.
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Speaker 1: He's got his poloce.
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Speaker 10: He's the everyday man.
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Speaker 1: Don't you know?
49:13
Speaker 10: He grew up in social housing and now he's in love.
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Speaker 1: Look at him.
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Speaker 2: How about that single mother social housing and he's in
49:19
Speaker 2: the lodge.
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Speaker 1: You ever heard that story, Justin? And will you be
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Speaker 1: invited to the wedding? No, I don't think.
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Speaker 14: I don't think my invite will be in the mail,
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Speaker 14: but love it. Who are we to deny love for anybody, mate,
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Speaker 14: for any politician either side?
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Speaker 2: As my grandmother was wont to say. I am told
49:37
Speaker 2: the young ones must have their loves, and we're all
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Speaker 2: young at heart.
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Speaker 1: Good on them. Thanks for joining us, j Niicla. Great
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Speaker 1: to see you. Denik. Will be back here at five
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Speaker 1: o'clock on Friday night, Justin. Thank you for joining us again.
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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week.
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Speaker 2: That is all the time we've got for you to
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Speaker 2: I don't forget the Anti Semitism summit tomorrow. I'll be
49:53
Speaker 2: involved in that and have a full wrap up for
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Speaker 2: you here tomorrow night at five.
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Speaker 1: Here's Quidlin