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Gordon Phillips Author of The Risky Reader - Escaping the Fiat Prison and Leaning in to True Liberty S2-EP22 · SpaceTomatoes

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  Because he's got the truth right there.
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  He had it absolutely nailed.
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  He totally got it completely.
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  But he was hundreds of years ahead of his time.
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  Well, yeah.
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  But you can go back before that, about a century, and you look at Friedrich Bastiat.
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  Friedrich Bastiat, yes, if you have the law.
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  I homeschooled all three of my kids.
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  They listened to that before we called them podcasts.
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  all right everybody welcome back to another episode of the space tomatoes podcast
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  i'm one of your hosts havoc the other guy lx hello welcome back all those things
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  Today we have with us a special guest, Gordon Phillips, a veteran currency trader, financial analyst, author of The Risky Reader, educator, public speaker, futurist, and consultant.
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  Welcome to the show, Gordon. Mr. Phillips.
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  Thank you, gentlemen. It is my pleasure to be here.
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  awesome so it seems to me in looking through your stuff you also play music
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  sure i did yeah i was a professional band leader till i was 40 years old in boston
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  oh really like big band or no i started out on bass r&b was my love
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  soul, R&B, jazz.
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  And then when I couldn't,
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  it was difficult to be a band leader as a bass player
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  because you're at the mercy of the keyboard player and drummers
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  and they have all the expensive equipment.
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  So I taught myself keys.
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  And then I was the first musician in Boston to use MIDI,
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  which is digital musical interface.
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  So I could sound like the Moody Blues with a two-piece setup,
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  myself and a singer.
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  And then I got bored with that
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  and finally started an entertainment agency and had lots of weddings and bar mitzvahs, corporate events.
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  I did that for a long time.
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  And then one day I woke up and I wasn't having fun anymore making music for money.
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  And that's when I learned how to invest.
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  And that just, actually what happened was, we can get into this.
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  A friend called me one day, a guy I knew from a business meetup.
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  Three o'clock in the afternoon, he said, he was agitated.
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  He said, did you know the Federal Reserve is not federal?
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  I said, what?
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  I got to go to the bank.
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  What?
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  He says, your fax machine on?
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  I said, yeah.
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  Because that was state of the art in those days, right?
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  Fax machine.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I came home.
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  The roll had run out.
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  All these Supreme Court decisions on the one.
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  What?
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  I said, up till two in the morning reading it, my brain exploded.
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  And two years later, I was crisscrossing the United States at freedom rallies doing lectures
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  on constitutional taxation from being a bass player.
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  And then from there, I started getting into trading and investing
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  and changed gears again.
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  Then started a family.
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  Had my first child at 53.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Congratulations.
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  Well, thank you.
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  And the youngest right now is 20.
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  And I'll be 80 in November.
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  Really?
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  I still have time.
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  I better let my wife know.
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  Yeah, you will hurry up.
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  Well, that's another area of expertise for you, right? Is de-risking health, right?
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  Well, I'm very active in and very eager learner, researcher into longevity, health extension, life extension, lots of really crazy stuff we can talk about.
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  Wonderful.
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  If you want.
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  Yeah.
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  Wonderful.
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  So what made you decide to get into investing in the first place?
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  Well, I was very active in the constitutional revival movement in the early 1990s.
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  And everybody around me was going down like flies because that was not a popular career choice, shall we say.
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  So I needed to find something that I had a knack for that I was good at.
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  And I'd always loved math.
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  I was in pre-med in college.
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  And so I read every book I could get my hands on, on trading and investing.
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  And I realized it's all math.
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  If you really understand how to do it correctly.
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  And then the crash of 87 had destroyed the retirement nest eggs of a bunch of family and friends.
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  So I stepped in.
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  I said, I think I can help you rebuild your portfolio.
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  you mathematically. And then within a few years, people were getting in touch with me and asking
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  for help. One guy said, will you consult for me? I looked around and said, what? I'm a consultant?
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  I had no idea. Wow. Okay. I guess I'm a consultant. So here we go. We're off to the races and a whole
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  new career. And that was 30 years ago. And that's what I've done ever since. Yeah. Along the way,
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  I learned currency trading because foreign exchange is a lot of fun.
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  And I became affiliated with a firm in Vancouver.
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  We developed software for the training,
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  the currency market.
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  Forex is a,
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  a,
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  it can be a real winner.
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  It can also be a real good way to go broke.
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  Yeah.
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  95%.
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  I teach a very particular trading method.
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  I'm not active teaching anymore,
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  but 95% of probably north of that,
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  of people who get into Forex lose money.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, it's a tough one.
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  I mean, if you get the market right, though,
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  it can be astoundingly beneficial.
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  That sounds like worse odds than the casino.
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  Well, you have to get yourself right.
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  People, they defeat themselves.
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  Even if you give someone a rock-solid trading method
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  with excellent rules, strict money management,
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  they'll still screw it up.
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  because they're trading against themselves.
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  It's very difficult for most people to completely remove emotion from the trading process.
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  And you have to.
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  You have to become a Borg to trade.
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  Any type of investing or speculation, you've got to divorce yourself from that.
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  Make it monopoly money, right?
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  It doesn't exist.
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  it's something that I threw away and you have to really, really put a lot of effort into doing that
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  and training yourself not to freak out. I mean, it's, and it's really difficult to do. I mean,
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  I've, I've tried a few times and it's, you know, I mean, I've had some decent wins doing so, but
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  it's, it's, it's hard on the psyche. It is. My students, you know, the Quorex is about $6
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  trillion a day in volume. I said, think of it as a six trillion gallon tank of water. And you're
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  out there bobbing in the dark all alone. Nobody knows you're there. Nobody cares. You can go under.
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  Nobody will notice.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it's an accelerated commodity type of a market.
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  it well that's the point i guess i'm not making my point very well there used to be these ads on tv
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  for forex made easy software you pay five thousand dollars and go to a hotel seminar there's more
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  flowers on stage in a funeral home and you know tony willis tony whatever his name is up there
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  introducing the speaker everybody's all pumped up and then monday morning you fly back to west
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  oshkosh you're all alone in your hotel room it's raining out i mean your home office all just you
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  Just you and this six trillion gallon tank of currency.
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  Good luck because there's nobody there to give you an attaboy, nobody to congratulate you, nobody to console you.
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  And that's when the devils all come out.
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  I've always said the best form of self-help counseling is to trade.
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  You'll learn more about yourself in the first six months than all the sessions you could go to for the next 10 years.
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  And once you get that under control, then you have a really good chance of actually being profitable.
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  So is Forex trading a big part of your kind of consulting service?
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  No, I don't even bring it up anymore unless someone asks me.
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  If they know I have a reputation and history for teaching, I'll talk to them and possibly take them under my wing.
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  But that's not something that I actively do.
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  So my consulting, 99% of it is risk management.
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  It's hardcore financial risk management for families to prepare them for what's coming, which is going to be a doozy.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  What is coming?
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  Is it going to be worse than 2008?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  It's going to be worse than 1920s.
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  It's going to make the 1920s look friendly.
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  Yeah, you're right.
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  Should I start investing in guns and ammo and stuff like that?
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  Hard supplies?
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  Food?
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  Put food in the bunker?
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  See, I can't give you financial advice, don't you know, because I'm not licensed.
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  But let me just say, it would be very wise to be prepared situationally.
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  Yes, situationally.
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  Which has to do with where do I live?
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  Am I in a high population density area?
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  What do I do when all the neighbors find out that I have a basement full of food because I couldn't keep my mouth shut?
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  there's so much
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  yeah I want to talk about it on a podcast like an idiot
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  yeah you
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  they don't need to know
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  Benjamin Franklin said three can keep a secret
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  if two are dead
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  that's true
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  and the broader that gets
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  the worse it is
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  yeah
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  but to answer your question
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  we're coming into the quote
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  perfect storm
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  of many different cycles
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  converging at the same time
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  Oh, boy.
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  It's going to be one for the history books.
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  Any estimate on how much time I have so I can move from where I'm at?
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  Well, are you familiar with Martin Armstrong?
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  I am not.
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  Well, the greatest recommendation I could make to the two of you is go to armstrongeconomics.com and sign up for his free blog.
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  Basically, you get a bunch of emails in your inbox every day, but they're the same posts that he puts on his blog.
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  Then he has a $15 a month membership.
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  He's the world's number one financial consultant that nobody knows about.
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  He consults with all the major corporations, all the world's governments.
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  He has a computer program that he wrote 40 years ago.
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  I know this sounds unbelievable, but it has forecast sometimes to the day and years in advance.
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  Unbelievably, I mean, market shaking events like the collapse of Russia, like the crash of 87.
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  And there's a movie called The Forecaster, which you can look up.
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  I think you'd have to pay for it.
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  You go to theforecaster.com or whatever it is.
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  You'll never see it on Netflix or Amazon.
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  It was banned in the U.S.
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  played all over the world. It's basically the story about how the CIA went to him for his source code
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  for his program, which he called Socrates. He basically developed the world's first
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  artificial intelligence computer, paid millions of dollars to have a whole team of researchers
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  feed every bit of data he could find going back 5,000 years on any subject you can think of.
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  and the computer generates reports
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  by looking at minutiae,
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  things that a human could never see them.
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  And one of the things that he learned along the way
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  is that every world-shaking event,
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  like 911, for example,
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  the people who perpetrate it
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  move their money in advance of the event
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  to either get it out of harm's way
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  and or to profit from what's coming.
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  And the computer sees that.
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  Yeah, there's actually someone that I do follow, a gentleman named James Corbett.
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  Oh, sure.
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  Actually just did a, well, his book titled Reportage actually calls out that exact thing, the 911 bets.
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  And it's right there in plain, I mean, it's just sitting right there.
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  quite interesting
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  premonitions, if you will.
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  Well, see, Armstrong, Martin Armstrong,
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  was brought in by the SEC after 9-1-1.
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  They wanted to use his software
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  to help figure out who bought the puts.
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  That's the level this guy operates at.
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  But the reason I brought it up,
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  you asked me what the time frame was.
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  He's projecting
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  that the bottom
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  of this whole mess
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  is going to be 2032.
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  Yep.
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  There's been a number of people
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  that are saying 2032 is going to be
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  kind of that gate.
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  Yeah.
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  Whether it's the opening of the gate
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  or that's the bottom of it,
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  I'm not positive.
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  You know, hard to say.
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  Well, when I do risk consulting,
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  I break it down.
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  There's political risk, geopolitical risk,
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  dollar risk.
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  market risk, asset risk, situational risk.
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  And then there's also, excuse me, the psychological and emotional
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  and, of course, spiritual component.
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  And you've got to get all of those lined up.
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  And I've been teaching this for years, and there isn't a lot of time left.
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  But I've got a bunch of buddies.
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  We get together a couple nights a week on Zoom
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  and share information with each other.
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  And my little happy little tribe is pretty, pretty prepared, including with my kids.
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  Yeah.
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  The three kids, I have three children.
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  We all live together right now.
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  That's awesome.
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  Yeah.
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  One's 20, one's 24, and one's 26.
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  And I'll be 80 in November.
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  So it's just a little different.
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  It's a great way of living.
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  To be honest with you, it harkens back to the way we were pre-1940s, right?
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  If you look at the way societies and families were run, there were larger families and they lived in the same house or potentially built houses on the property for the children.
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  But the family unit kind of stuck together, right?
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  And there was a lot more resiliency in that because the families were also, you know, especially through the depression, but even prior to that, right?
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  There was a real need to have at least some food production, the ability to maintain things, stitch clothes, you know, cobble for shoes, you know, things of this nature, as well as, you know, equipment, maintenance, you know, woodwork, steel work, etc.
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  Oh, sure. If you were 80 years old, you were born at home, you died at home. If you were 80 years old, you shucked peas and corn along with the four-year-olds. You always did something productive until the last days of your life. Everybody worked together as a team.
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  And then when your kids would get married, you'd carve off a piece of land just over the hill where you couldn't see each other, a little bit of privacy, and they'd have their property.
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  And then in those days, the first year, maybe you'd clean up the big rocks, pull the big rocks out and build the stone walls, get uproot the trees.
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  The following year, you might dig a cellar hole in between planting and harvesting.
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  Maybe by two or three years later, you'd framed a place that you could live in.
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  And then the Rockefellers came along.
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  In the early 1900s, the zoning laws were passed such that you had to go from groundbreaking to occupancy within one to two years and drove everybody into the arms of the bankers.
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  It's one of the many schemes that got foisted on us.
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  So, it's like it's a conspiracy.
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  Yeah.
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  Where's my hat?
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  I might seem to find it somewhere.
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  We all have one.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm in different colors for different occasions.
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  I just, I'm prepared.
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  It's risk preparation.
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  How do you get them to hold the color?
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  Because I've tried like dry erase markers and paint and it just chips right off the foil.
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  Just spray paint.
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  Yeah.
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  Go the sheep route.
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  There you go.
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  There you go.
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  Even talking about the stuff happening before 9-11, the different players in motion, that
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  would tend to make people think that it was a conspiracy as well.
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  Almost like everything's planned to happen.
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  If there were no conspiracy, we would have no history.
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  There's a lot of truth to that.
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  legislatures. Now, to call it a conspiracy is to diminish what they're doing. They're just making
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  plans. They're making plans for the future, for the future that they want for, quote, their planet.
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  Yeah, I think it was.
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  Now, when you say it, it sounds logical. When I say it, people look at me like I'm crazy.
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  Maybe I just don't say it well enough, I guess.
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  But no one said you're not. I'm just, I'm just.
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  That's true.
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  Keep our options open.
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  I think it was Robert Higgs who said, what was it?
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  It was, whatever you believe they are doing, it's far worse.
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  It is.
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  I'm sure.
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  Yeah.
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  And they've already been doing it for longer than you were aware they're doing it.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Well, they project, right?
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  I mean, it's all projected out there.
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  It's just, for some reason, never covered or talked about.
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  but you know
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  people are looking
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  is that me?
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  Is your smoke alarm going off?
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  Is that me?
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  I don't think so
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  It's not me
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  My son's here
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  Was that us?
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  Not me
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  Okay, so his son just came out of his office and shook his head though
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  Okay
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  Well, I don't know
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  It was the NSA. We must have said the magic word. Remember the old Groucho Mark show? You bet your life. We must have just said the magic word. The bird came down with $100. Remember?
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  Yep. So the interesting thing is, is I actually had this discussion with someone today. And if you remember back in the day, Eisenhower actually warned about the technocratic elite.
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  Sure.
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  Right.
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  Which is a striking weirdness because he was one of the people that ushered in the military.
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  That's what I was going to say.
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  Wasn't he part of it too?
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  Complex, right?
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  So it's one of those things, though, you'll hear it said 40 years before you actually see it in practice.
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  Well, if you follow Catherine Austin Fitz, she made the point, she knows where all the financial bodies are buried in Washington.
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  She made the point that starting in the early 1990s is when the ultra elite made the decision to form what she calls the breakaway civilization and to start stealing the money funneling it out the back door into their black private projects
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  And 9-1-1, which was simultaneously a gold heist, a bond fraud, and an insurance scam, was critical to moving that forward.
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  We had the banking regulations and the Patriot Act.
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  And this is all very complex.
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  These are many, these conspiracies, we'll call them, have many, many, many moving parts.
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  And they're planned years in advance, painstakingly planned years in advance and executed.
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  But they make a lot of mistakes.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  They made a lot of mistakes on 9-1-1.
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  Technology helps us look back now and spot some of those mistakes.
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  but it's pretty easy to figure out the who won who who what where when and how and why
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  all the things you would ask in a criminal investigation that's been solved 9-1-1's been
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  solved right down to who did it and uh with that and a dollar get you a cup of coffee well actually
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  more like five dollars these days right because it's great to be informed so we can go to parties
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  and outsmart each other like the guy who's i know more about the 9-1-1 than you do you know like
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  Like it's somehow stock and trade to be the most informed person in the block.
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  But the question is, what are they going to do next?
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  And how do we prepare ourselves to not just survive, but thrive through what they're going to do next?
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  That's my mission when I work with clients.
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  I'd say agorism.
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  An agorist life, right, is really what it comes down to.
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  is you know you can't you cannot win against the system you you cannot beat them they they have
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  ungodly amount of resources to make sure that that is not a possibility right and they call it a level
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  playing field it's not it never will it was and it never will be however what you can do is exit
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  there's nothing stopping you or preventing you from exiting. It's just, you have to be
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  logical about how you exit, which is one of the reasons I live on a farm, raise livestock,
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  grow food, have perennials and fruit trees and berry plants and all that good stuff because of
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  the fact that one of the key things for survival is going to be your food, right? I would list that
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  as priority number one, defense being priority number two, right?
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  Yep.
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  Yeah, so.
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  No, I agree.
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  I've been arguing, helping my friends.
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  The time to do what you just said is absolutely now.
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  You have to do it in any way that you can,
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  even if it means joining an intentional community.
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  Yeah, I would say it was already out there.
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  It was probably six years ago.
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  Let me be frank.
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  For anyone watching this, right,
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  If you think you are going to wait until a situation occurs and then just go put some seeds in the ground and find some chickens and life is going to be happy-go-lucky and you're going to be okay, you are wrong and you will suffer the consequences.
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  It takes years, if not longer, to effectively learn how to manage, preserve, and produce foodstuffs for yourself.
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  So if you weren't doing it right this moment, you are way behind, in my opinion.
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  What if I just know somebody that has all those things and has a spare bedroom?
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  I've already told you, all you got to do is get here.
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  That becomes the problem, though.
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  That's a long trip from where you are to where I am.
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  Well, if worse comes to worse, you buy.
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  I sold it a couple years ago, but I had a 1993 30-foot diesel, Class C diesel RV.
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  Got solar panels on the top, batteries.
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  You can boondock.
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  You can go anywhere.
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  You can follow the sun.
• 25:10
  You can go pick blueberries, pick strawberries, work as a farmhand.
• 25:15
  If there's a storm coming, drive away.
• 25:18
  And that might be a last resort plan C for people who don't have the means to buy enough property to grow their own food on.
• 25:26
  And maybe plan B would be to join a cooperative or an intentional community where like-minded people have already gotten started.
• 25:34
  And all you have to do is buy into their, like a share of what they've created, you know.
• 25:41
  But I agree with you, have it completely.
• 25:42
  It's a food, clothing, and shelter have as long as hierarchy of needs.
• 25:46
  You got to eat.
• 25:48
  Yep.
• 25:49
  And then you got to not be homeless.
• 25:52
  Yeah.
• 25:52
  And then you've got to be able to defend yourself against people who want to take what you own.
• 25:56
  And they will.
• 25:57
  And that's another thing.
• 25:59
  Being further away from populated areas is going to be essential.
• 26:03
  Yes.
• 26:03
  Because I don't care how badass you think you are or how much of a whatever you've got set up, defensive BS.
• 26:12
  Look, if you're in a suburban or more populated area, you will be overrun by thousands of people.
• 26:23
  It's not going to be like 10 people or four people.
• 26:27
  It's going to be a throng and you have no hope.
• 26:31
  There is none, right?
• 26:32
  So, wow.
• 26:36
  Here's the positive thing, though.
• 26:38
  You can make a difference.
• 26:40
  You can change things.
• 26:42
  you can change things at least for you and your family and your community.
• 26:47
  And the way to do that is to exit and build.
• 26:50
  Right.
• 26:51
  And,
• 26:51
  and literally those intentional communities may be something that you should
• 26:56
  look into.
• 26:56
  Right.
• 26:57
  They,
• 26:58
  there are some wonderful people that have started some all over the United
• 27:02
  States and Mexico,
• 27:04
  in Europe,
• 27:05
  there are,
• 27:06
  you know,
• 27:06
  South America,
• 27:08
  Central America.
• 27:09
  There are a ton of them.
• 27:10
  Right.
• 27:11
  And they are looking for people that are like-minded and want to make a change.
• 27:15
  Yep.
• 27:16
  No, I agree.
• 27:16
  You just got to make sure you don't accidentally join a cult because I know there's a fine line in there.
• 27:23
  That's funny.
• 27:23
  I've been telling my friends for years, nobody on a white horse is going to come save you.
• 27:29
  You can't change what's going on in the swamp.
• 27:32
  There's nothing you can do at the macro level to change the collapse of empire.
• 27:38
  There's nothing you can do.
• 27:39
  but you can be very strong here. And then you can be strong for your children,
• 27:46
  your family, your friends, your fellow churchgoers, your neighbors, whatever the tribe is that you
• 27:50
  consider to your tribe. Now, if you want to, once you've done that, if you want to get on a soapbox
• 27:55
  and try to have a larger voice, run for local politics, whatever, that's great. But you've got
• 28:01
  to start at home and be ready and resilient and ready for what's coming. And you can't do it
• 28:08
  around other people.
• 28:11
  Yeah.
• 28:13
  Because as one writer said,
• 28:15
  anarchy is just nine meals away.
• 28:17
  Pretty much, right?
• 28:19
  And I'd like to also point out
• 28:21
  there's a common misconception, right?
• 28:24
  I mean, societally,
• 28:25
  we've been trained to think that,
• 28:27
  you know,
• 28:28
  whenever you hear the word anarchy,
• 28:30
  that is, you know,
• 28:31
  destruction and maiming and...
• 28:35
  Oh, I know.
• 28:35
  ...just craziness.
• 28:37
  And really, that's...
• 28:37
  That's, you were born an anarchist.
• 28:41
  Yeah.
• 28:41
  You were.
• 28:42
  There was no, you know, there's no ruler over, you're just.
• 28:47
  I was, I was using the term as people commonly consume it to be.
• 28:51
  I totally agree with you.
• 28:52
  Yeah.
• 28:53
  I just, I, that's one of those things I'm kind of like, uh, you know, I, I want that.
• 28:58
  I want society to start to understand that, that, that, that actual term has been, you
• 29:04
  know, kind of captured to equate to bad things.
• 29:09
  And, you know, what it essentially stands for, not essentially, it's, you know, two pieces,
• 29:16
  two different words, an and arky, right?
• 29:21
  One is without and the other is rulers.
• 29:24
  That's literally what anarchy means.
• 29:27
  That's it.
• 29:27
  so you can assign it burning cars and trashing homes and all this stuff that if you want to but
• 29:35
  it's it's like saying that a pool is actually uh you know good term to use for the sky it doesn't
• 29:43
  equate it's yeah definitely incorrect a friend of mine joked he said the worst possible form of
• 29:51
  government would be a geiner key. It's government by 100% by women. I'm only kidding, ladies. I was
• 29:58
  only kidding, just having a little fun. I mean...
• 30:04
  Don't, no, let's just change it. Save yourself, Havoc. Don't go there.
• 30:08
  My wife.
• 30:13
  No.
• 30:13
  Our job is to figure them out. Go ahead.
• 30:16
  Right, right. So one of the other areas you focus on that you said was constitutional taxation. What does that mean exactly?
• 30:28
  Well, all the money powers that the federal government is authorized to perform are in the Constitution.
• 30:38
  most people have never read it
• 30:42
  literally never read it
• 30:44
  I mean never actually read it
• 30:47
  you can read it in 20 minutes
• 30:49
  at the average adult reading speed
• 30:50
  you can go to the National Archives
• 30:53
  and worship it behind bulletproof glass
• 30:55
  and a very serious armed marine
• 30:57
  walk by and gape at it
• 30:59
  as if it were the Mona Lisa
• 31:00
  but most people have never read it
• 31:03
  when you read it
• 31:04
  you discover that there are two
• 31:06
  types of taxes authorized to be collected under the Constitution, which are direct taxes
• 31:12
  and indirect taxes. You're also taught in school that the 16th Amendment amended the Constitution
• 31:20
  to allow for the collection of an income tax, and then the red herring, although true,
• 31:26
  is that it was never lawfully ratified, which is a moot point because it did not amend the
• 31:32
  Constitution. It was a psychological operation to worm in the 1916 income tax, 13 income tax,
• 31:43
  along with the Federal Reserve and the passage of the 16th Amendment within the same nine months
• 31:49
  in the same year as a match set. Because you have to have a confiscatory income tax
• 31:55
  to stabilize the purchasing power of fiat money.
• 31:59
  Well, if you're going to base your economy on debt and the ability to create money out of thin air where it never existed, you've got to backfill that with something, right?
• 32:15
  Yeah.
• 32:15
  And that's essentially what that is, is, you know, they took liberties, I will say, with the way things were stated to us that made it seem that at the end of the day, well, they did.
• 32:39
  They tried.
• 32:40
  No.
• 32:40
  They tried.
• 32:41
  You're breaking my heart here.
• 32:42
  Come on.
• 32:43
  Where's the Kleenex?
• 32:44
  Right.
• 32:45
  They made it seem like this was part of their authority, but there's a Supreme Court case that actually came in. I think it was not too long after that, 10, 12 years after that. And the judgment in the case was that the 16th Amendment conferred no new taxation authority.
• 33:08
  No new power of taxation were the exact words.
• 33:10
  Oh, okay. It was.
• 33:11
  So let's talk about it. Why is that true? Why is that true?
• 33:14
  How was the 16th Amendment of PSYOP?
• 33:20
  I'm not trying to quiz you.
• 33:21
  I'm asking you rhetorically.
• 33:23
  I can go there if you want.
• 33:24
  I don't know if you want the weekend lecture or the five-minute.
• 33:27
  No, let's go with the weekend lecture.
• 33:30
  That's the best part.
• 33:32
  Let's get into it.
• 33:34
  Well, direct taxes are apportioned among the states.
• 33:38
  There's no authority in the Constitution to directly tax the individual, tax the citizen.
• 33:42
  So in the era of the founders, the idea of the federal government having any debt that carried over from year to year was just unacceptable and unheard of.
• 33:53
  And debts might be accumulated to pursue or prosecute a war, and then you'd pay them off as quickly as you could.
• 33:59
  So the way I like to joke about it, just suppose right today that Trump decided to invade Canada.
• 34:05
  And Congress passes the Let's Invade Canada Act.
• 34:08
  It's going to cost $435 billion.
• 34:12
  Well, it just so happens there's 435 representatives in the House of Representatives.
• 34:16
  New Hampshire has two.
• 34:18
  I don't have the exact count in California, but it's in the 30s or 50s.
• 34:23
  Texas is like 30, right?
• 34:24
  It's uniform throughout the state.
• 34:26
  That's why there's a census every 10 years.
• 34:29
  So New Hampshire would owe two 435ths of that apportionment, which would come from the State
• 34:36
  Department to the legislature of the state of New Hampshire demanding that payment. Or they send in
• 34:44
  federal troops like Washington and Hamilton did over the Whiskey Rebellion. So now I get a letter
• 34:51
  in the mail from the State Department of Revenue saying, Mr. Phillips, you and your family each
• 34:56
  owe your... Let me back up a little bit. Now New Hampshire's got to figure out how they're going to
• 35:02
  raise their $2 billion, which is $2,400, right? Well, they're going to apportion that somehow
• 35:10
  under the state's constitution and try to collect it from the good people of New Hampshire.
• 35:16
  And I get a letter in the mailbox that says, have your check payable to the State Department of
• 35:19
  Revenue by next Tuesday. And everyone's out in the street with pitchforks and actually today with
• 35:26
  TV remotes and cell phones. I guess we've gone past torches and pitchforks. And now there's this
• 35:33
  massive riotous blowback to Congress of massive protests. We're not going to pay it. Congress
• 35:40
  said, ooh, that wasn't a good idea. We better rescind that bill. So it was a measure. It was a
• 35:46
  deliberate, very, very difficult to move through legislative process to get one of these direct
• 35:56
  taxes a portion. We've only had five in America's history, and they were all in the late 1800s.
• 36:03
  They could vote tomorrow morning to apportion a direct tax to all the states and pay off the
• 36:07
  entire federal debt if they wanted to. So indirect taxes, theoretically, there's nothing of that
• 36:18
  tier of value unless you sold everything and everyone.
• 36:24
  Right. Yeah. They're working on it.
• 36:26
  All of your corporate assets.
• 36:29
  Yes.
• 36:30
  Yes, Erwin.
• 36:31
  I agree.
• 36:32
  So now getting into the income tax, the income tax has unique, I should say indirect taxes have unique properties.
• 36:42
  For one thing, they're uniform throughout the states.
• 36:46
  They're excises intended originally on imposts, imports, and duties.
• 36:51
  and they're avoidable
• 36:53
  because you don't have to participate
• 36:57
  in the activity that's taxed.
• 36:59
  Putting a stamp on a letter,
• 37:00
  it's an excise tax.
• 37:02
  Use the internet,
• 37:03
  you're paying the Al Gore internet tax, right?
• 37:07
  You pump gasoline,
• 37:08
  regardless of the price of the pump,
• 37:10
  there's a core amount embedded within that price
• 37:13
  that takes care of the motor vehicle fuel excise tax.
• 37:16
  And so when you get into the 16th Amendment, it said Congress, the income can be basically from whatever source arrived without apportionment, enumeration or apportionment among the states.
• 37:33
  Well, indirect taxes were never subject to the rule of apportionment, ever.
• 37:39
  And what happened was, if you read the Supreme Court decisions, it's almost like they're mocking Congress.
• 37:45
  Like, you've got to be crazy.
• 37:46
  There's no new power of taxation here.
• 37:49
  But it created the authority in the minds of the people that something new and hitherto unknown,
• 37:55
  like this new somehow bastard hybrid tax that was somewhere in between direct and indirect had been foisted on the people.
• 38:01
  But what had happened prior to that in the early 1900s is all the big moguls and financiers and all the Vanderbilts and the Rockefellers and all these folks had, this is prior to radio.
• 38:20
  The medium of the day was the newspaper.
• 38:22
  So they bought up controlling interest in about 25 of the top newspapers, mostly along the eastern seaboard.
• 38:29
  And for several years, it said the income tax is coming, but you won't pay it.
• 38:36
  It's 1% tax, and we're going to soak the rich, which really sold well in Main Street.
• 38:43
  Which is weird.
• 38:44
  It's almost like history has repeated itself.
• 38:48
  Well, it rhymes.
• 38:48
  It doesn't repeat.
• 38:49
  It rhymes, right?
• 38:49
  It does rhyme.
• 38:51
  And so what the wealthy had already done is they had sheltered all of their assets in complex trusts.
• 38:56
  then they buy up the newspapers and tell the people the income tax is coming then they buy
• 39:03
  up congress and they make sure that the income tax act the federal reserve act and the 16th
• 39:08
  amendment again are all passed as a package deal and they guarantee the transfer of wealth
• 39:13
  from the first producers of money who get it for nothing to the end users who pay through the nose
• 39:21
  their whole life as it literally melts away like like an ice cube in the palm of their hand
• 39:25
  it's lost 97% of its purchasing power.
• 39:29
  Well, I mean, when you've got inflation built in as a, as a,
• 39:32
  as a mode of economic condition,
• 39:36
  then you are debasing your own currency over time. There,
• 39:40
  there's no other way to look at that.
• 39:42
  Well, if you want to have some fun, um, I just,
• 39:45
  I use this as a teaching example is a used cars towards the end of their life
• 39:50
  depreciated about 12% per year. Okay.
• 39:54
  and the Federal Reserve note, and we'll call it the dollar,
• 39:57
  has been losing purchasing power of a true inflation of about 6% per year for the last 25 years.
• 40:04
  So if you're holding your life savings in a 401k or IRA,
• 40:08
  it's losing value only half as fast as a used car.
• 40:15
  Yeah.
• 40:17
  Gives you a second, what?
• 40:20
  That's a friend of mine.
• 40:21
  That's what it took to wake you up, huh?
• 40:23
  Now you get it.
• 40:24
  Yeah, I mean, you just look at it and you see a lot of it now today with younger generations being upset at the older generations for their better conditions and easier money and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
• 40:44
  um in one thing that they seem to always focus in on and one can make their own speculation as to
• 40:54
  why this is but you know they always focus in on this older generation like you had this and
• 41:00
  you squandered it you allowed this to happen well it's your fault personally i looked it up
• 41:05
  right okay boomer exactly but but what what actually if you were to look at it from the
• 41:11
  standpoint of the people that they're blaming now and go back, you know, six years from that,
• 41:17
  you'd see the same thing, right? And, and it's just the way the system is set up. If you want
• 41:23
  to be mad at someone, be mad at the system, be mad at the fact that this is the way the system
• 41:29
  is designed Be mad at 1913 where we essentially sold our entire and this isn even true true statement but I going to say it anyway even though I know 100 this isn truth But at that point we effectively sold our entire
• 41:48
  economy over to a group of bankers, essentially. That's true. It's not an overstatement.
• 41:55
  It was a multi-generational dynastic. Go ahead. Well, the only thing I want to say about that is
• 42:03
  that was occurring far before that, right? It just wasn't written into law at that point,
• 42:10
  right? So it was occurring, it was happening, but at a far slower pace, which is where you saw these
• 42:16
  long-term areas where people think people had it so good. But remember, these same people had to
• 42:21
  grow food in their garden because food was not something you could count on having.
• 42:28
  Right. And there was no Walmart.
• 42:30
  Yeah. No, there was not. So-
• 42:33
  You know, the history of it becomes something, if you really care to look into it, it wasn't the generation like my father that created this mess, right?
• 42:44
  Although arguably, you know, a portion of them had a hand to play in it.
• 42:49
  We all do to some extent, right?
• 42:52
  Unless you're sitting there going, nope, I'm not going to be a party to this.
• 42:56
  I'm not going to participate in it and I'm going to get out of it.
• 42:59
  And that's on you.
• 43:01
  Yeah.
• 43:01
  No, I totally agree. This has been a deliberate, engineered takeover of the rebel colonies that the city of London was not able to capture at the end of the 1700s.
• 43:16
  They came back in 1812, weren't successful, and then tried to divide the North and the South by funding both sides of the war between the states.
• 43:28
  and then they fomented the great crash,
• 43:33
  many crashes throughout the 1800s,
• 43:35
  many depressions,
• 43:36
  all the way through World War I, World War II,
• 43:39
  the whole expansion of empire.
• 43:41
  And then today we see Trump sitting down
• 43:44
  with this joker
• 43:49
  who's called the King of England.
• 43:51
  I wouldn't pay this guy to empty my septic tank.
• 43:54
  In a room that's trimmed with gold leaf
• 43:57
  and we're right back where we started.
• 44:01
  Caligula hosts Chuck.
• 44:04
  Absolutely.
• 44:05
  That's my take on the meeting in Washington.
• 44:07
  Caligula and Chuck get together, shake hands.
• 44:11
  Their wives are looking all pretty and dolled up
• 44:13
  in $5,000 Gucci dresses.
• 44:16
  The average person out there can't afford to eat at Shoney's anymore.
• 44:20
  They're skipping meals to feed their kid and even feed their dog.
• 44:24
  and this is going to go down like a dumpster fire it's going to get very bad and i'm a very
• 44:33
  optimistic fun-loving guy i my friend of mine said you could have been a stand-up comic in another
• 44:38
  life i enjoy tossing babies into the air as much as any guy does to the horror of their wives
• 44:46
  of their mothers.
• 44:48
  But I'm a realist, hard-nosed, and it's coming.
• 44:54
  And it's going to be bad, very bad.
• 44:57
  Yeah.
• 44:58
  I do say.
• 44:59
  I might be jumping ahead too much,
• 45:01
  like just flipping to the back of the book,
• 45:03
  but what is the end game for these people?
• 45:07
  Well, it's ultimate control.
• 45:09
  It's to turn the world into a digital prison camp
• 45:12
  with ultimate control over food, water, travel, communication, reproduction.
• 45:21
  They're heavily engaged in DOD population campaign.
• 45:24
  They've been poisoning the people for 50, 60 years.
• 45:27
  All they're doing is speeding things up.
• 45:31
  And having a 100% programmable currency, if the people allow it, and I think they will,
• 45:39
  The 95% of the public has never resisted tyranny throughout human history.
• 45:43
  That's not a condemnation of our fellow man.
• 45:46
  It's just the truth.
• 45:47
  They're either growing food.
• 45:48
  They're hard at work.
• 45:49
  They don't have a minute to think for themselves.
• 45:51
  They wake up at the very last minute when things are so bad,
• 45:54
  they have no choice but to go out to the street.
• 45:56
  And by then they're already trapped.
• 46:01
  Cage doors are closed.
• 46:02
  I'm pretty sure I've read that book.
• 46:04
  I'm pretty sure.
• 46:05
  Yeah, that four-digit book.
• 46:08
  Yeah.
• 46:08
  It wasn't supposed to be a manual, but, you know, hey.
• 46:14
  Yeah, and Animal Farm.
• 46:17
  Right, yeah.
• 46:18
  I like the closing message, right?
• 46:22
  Imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.
• 46:28
  Forever, yeah.
• 46:30
  Yeah.
• 46:30
  We're heading in that direction.
• 46:34
  They're very good at it.
• 46:35
  Are you familiar with The Great Taking by David Webb?
• 46:38
  I am not, actually.
• 46:40
  Boy, that's another one.
• 46:41
  Write that one down.
• 46:42
  You can go to thegreattaking.com, and you can watch the documentary for free, or you can read his book for free.
• 46:50
  Former hedge fund manager, he did research into how the Uniform Commercial Code, starting in the 90s once again, was modified in all 50 states to allow for the taking of equity.
• 47:07
  encumbered with debt in a banking crisis. You no longer have traditional, historic,
• 47:16
  common law, constitutional title to your property. It's one of the most important things you can do.
• 47:23
  I'm telling you is watch that video, The Great Taking. And he and other people are traveling the
• 47:30
  country, speaking with legislators in all the states, trying to get them to wake up
• 47:34
  and take action and being met with tremendous resistance,
• 47:39
  all financed by the banking lobby.
• 47:42
  Yeah, that's one area for me that's always been,
• 47:47
  not always, but at least for quite some time now.
• 47:52
  The idea that you could get the people that are benefiting
• 47:56
  from the current system to vote that power and money away from themselves
• 48:03
  seems to me like a pipe dream.
• 48:07
  It's a fairy tale.
• 48:09
  And I've never really truly understood
• 48:11
  why people actually believe that, right?
• 48:14
  I mean, why would you believe
• 48:16
  that voting, no matter who you get in there,
• 48:21
  is going to cause these people to say,
• 48:24
  oh, no, you're right, we have too much power.
• 48:26
  We're going to give some up.
• 48:28
  You're right, we're making way too much money.
• 48:30
  We're going to give that up too.
• 48:31
  And, you know, we don't need all this pomp and circumstance.
• 48:34
  We're going to give that up too.
• 48:36
  It's ridiculous.
• 48:38
  We're going to get back up 100 yards and ask, who has the power to vote in the first place?
• 48:42
  Well, you know—
• 48:44
  Forty percent of the public is illiterate.
• 48:45
  They can't do basic math on a calculator.
• 48:48
  They've never read the Constitution.
• 48:49
  You ask these teenagers, they think we separated from Canada in 1776.
• 48:55
  And if they can fog a mirror, they have the right to go in and select people who can write—
• 49:01
  laws and put on paper words that make us do what they command us to do. Otherwise,
• 49:08
  we suffer fees and penalties. And they call it legislation. And half of them are a bunch of
• 49:16
  free... It looks like a bar scene from Star Wars in Congress. Literally. And we're going to ask
• 49:23
  these people, state by state by state, to go against how their bread is buttered?
• 49:28
  Not a chance.
• 49:29
  The whole thing is just, you have to, like George Carlin, he said we have a front row seat to the collapse in America.
• 49:36
  In America, you've got a front row seat.
• 49:39
  Get your popcorn ready.
• 49:40
  Buy some agricultural futures.
• 49:42
  Get your popcorn ready.
• 49:44
  It's a big club, and brother, you're in it.
• 49:47
  Yeah, the club they hit you all over the head with every day.
• 49:50
  Exactly.
• 49:52
  So one of my favorite quotes is from a guy.
• 49:55
  And this gentleman, as well as another gentleman about a century prior in France, have been very influential to me.
• 50:06
  But one of my favorite quotes is, but whether the Constitution really be one thing or another, this much is certain.
• 50:14
  That it has either authorized such a government as we have had or has been powerless to prevent it.
• 50:20
  In either case, it is unfit to exist.
• 50:25
  and that's license thank you thank you no treason the constitution of no authority yes yes yes yes
• 50:33
  thank you boy am i glad uh this is yeah i'm happy you just made my you just made my week
• 50:38
  i can't believe someone else knows that like wow it's kind of kind of validating so thanks go ahead
• 50:45
  yeah absolutely and and the funny thing about this is you know people think you know oh the
• 50:50
  government's gotten so bad. What you have to understand is this gentleman started a letter
• 50:56
  company, the American Letter Mail Company. That's right.
• 50:59
  And it was cheaper, more efficient, faster than the postal service was.
• 51:05
  Yeah.
• 51:06
  The government took him to task because they hate competition.
• 51:12
  Sure, of course.
• 51:13
  I mean, at the end of the day, right? And I would urge anyone to pick up that. It's a very,
• 51:18
  very small book, but it will open your eyes to things happening in the 1800s that you think
• 51:25
  may have started in the 70s, 80s. It did not. No. No, I remember reading him saying,
• 51:31
  I'm paraphrasing, of course, he said, why do I agree to this constitution? I didn't sign it.
• 51:38
  Yeah. I remember the day I read that, my brain froze. It's one of those out-of-body moments
• 51:43
  where you realize something just changed in your world, right?
• 51:47
  He says, I was born into this.
• 51:51
  I didn't agree to this.
• 51:52
  Why do I consent to this?
• 51:54
  I said, wow.
• 51:55
  So my joke has always been,
• 51:59
  a Republican is a Democrat who got mugged.
• 52:02
  Okay, and then a Libertarian is a Republican who got mugged,
• 52:07
  and a Constitutionalist is a Libertarian who got mugged.
• 52:10
  and then if you mug a libertarian,
• 52:14
  you go all the way around until you bump into Nancy Pelosi.
• 52:18
  Oh, gosh.
• 52:20
  But on the way, you pass Lysander.
• 52:22
  Yep.
• 52:24
  Because he's got the truth right there.
• 52:25
  He had it absolutely nailed.
• 52:29
  He totally got it completely.
• 52:31
  But he was hundreds of years ahead of his time.
• 52:35
  Well, yeah.
• 52:36
  Literally.
• 52:36
  You can go back before that about a century
• 52:39
  and you look at Friedrich Bastiat.
• 52:42
  Friedrich Bastiat, yes, if you have the law.
• 52:43
  I homeschooled all three of my kids.
• 52:46
  They listened to that before we called them podcasts.
• 52:49
  Yep.
• 52:50
  They listened to that on replay.
• 52:52
  I didn't record it, but I know someone who did.
• 52:55
  Yeah.
• 52:55
  Oh, yeah, amen.
• 52:56
  And then Economics in One Lesson by Hazlitt.
• 53:01
  Yep.
• 53:01
  All essential, hardcore homeschool.
• 53:05
  How to turn your kids into little rebels normally, kid.
• 53:07
  That's not what I did.
• 53:08
  Well, how to inform them and how to have them gain a better understanding of the system and its underpinnings.
• 53:20
  Yes. My goal was kind of based on the Kenny Rogers song, The Gambler. You got to teach him, you know, he needs to know when to hold him, when to fold him, and when to walk away.
• 53:32
  you got to be smart enough to get along in society be smart enough to know when to act dumb enough
• 53:38
  to get along and don't ever ever be elite don't judge other people don't put people down because
• 53:47
  you know more than they do because you're fortunate that you're better educated i say the same for
• 53:52
  myself i was dumb as a stump till i was 40 when i learned all of this stuff yeah but um i taught
• 53:58
  my kid, we'd hold a penny. There's Abraham Lincoln, the great emancipator who freed the
• 54:06
  slaves and saved the union, don't you know? And then we turn the penny over and it's all dark and
• 54:12
  dirty and corroded. There's the great tyrant who had members of the Maryland state legislature
• 54:19
  arrested so they couldn't secede. He would have had the Southern Army on the other side of the
• 54:24
  Potomac. The things he did could have been attributed to Saddam Hussein.
• 54:30
  And I taught my kids both sides of the story. I said, now one side is the only side your friends
• 54:36
  in public school know. You need to know the truth. Just remember, you're going to want to
• 54:43
  use discretion as to when you reveal what you know. You don't want to be a smarty pants.
• 54:47
  you want to maintain your humility
• 54:51
  but it's my job as your father
• 54:55
  I can't let you get out of the nest as a dummy
• 54:58
  you got to know the truth
• 54:59
  and that's a balance
• 55:01
  it was tricky striking that balance
• 55:04
  with three extremely smart kids
• 55:06
  but I think I succeeded
• 55:08
  they're all very wonderful young people
• 55:11
  they're all doing really well
• 55:12
  yeah I actually ended up in the principal's office
• 55:16
  in high school.
• 55:19
  I'm shocked. I'm really, I'm just curious.
• 55:22
  On this occasion, it was because I turned in a report that was asked to be done,
• 55:28
  which was, you know, do a report on George Washington, right?
• 55:34
  And they're expecting, you know, here's your school material.
• 55:38
  You're going to use that and you're going to write a report
• 55:40
  and it's going to be rosy and colorful and wonderful about this gentleman.
• 55:43
  And I actually went to the UCI, University of California Irvine Library, because that's where I was at the time, and did my studying there.
• 55:54
  And what I came back with was a picture of a gentleman who was morally bankrupt at best and really kind of hit home on those aspects of the man.
• 56:07
  And yeah, I got a trip to the principal's office for that because it was cited, it was sourced from college level material. So it was not inaccurate or not factual. It just wasn't speaking to the narrative that they wanted me to portray.
• 56:25
  And you read what Thomas Payne, his letters to Washington, once Washington was in the White House. He condemned him for acting like a king, riding around in a carriage with plumes on it pulled by white horses.
• 56:39
  Yep. Specifically white horses. They had to be white, all white.
• 56:44
  That's right.
• 56:45
  Yeah. Things you never get to hear.
• 56:48
  And then the farmers in western Pennsylvania who used whiskey as actual barter currency.
• 56:56
  So Hamilton, who was the banker's boy, kept popping in and out of the Constitutional Convention with his orders from abroad, had Washington, who was kind of a little off the beam there in his senior years, entrusted Hamilton.
• 57:13
  and they went riding in with a whole, I don't know how many troops,
• 57:18
  to put down the rebellion to show this new government
• 57:22
  that the anti-federalists feared would become another king,
• 57:26
  did exactly what they thought was going to happen.
• 57:30
  And that was the beginning.
• 57:31
  As a friend of mine once remarked, and I agree,
• 57:34
  the high watermark of this republic was 1860.
• 57:38
  The first damage it received was the Whiskey Rebellion,
• 57:42
  And then we had the Alien and Sedition Act, it was the Patriot Act of their day.
• 57:47
  And then we come up to the war, actually the war of the Lincoln's War, or to be more polite, the war of Southern independence.
• 57:57
  The war of Northern aggression is what true Southerners call it, and properly so.
• 58:02
  That's what I was going to say, but.
• 58:03
  Yeah.
• 58:05
  And then we march, and then the empire gets started in the early 1900s.
• 58:10
  and here we are today with military bases in 200 countries
• 58:13
  and Caligula in the White House.
• 58:17
  And then people say, where do you think it's going from here?
• 58:19
  I say, are you serious?
• 58:20
  Is that a serious question?
• 58:22
  I mean.
• 58:22
  Listen, take a ball, roll it down a hill
• 58:24
  and when it gets two thirds of the way down the hill,
• 58:27
  tell me where it's going from there.
• 58:29
  Right, there you go.
• 58:30
  That's good.
• 58:30
  Well said.
• 58:30
  Down the hill, faster.
• 58:32
  Yeah, yeah.
• 58:33
  Down the hill, much faster actually.
• 58:35
  And if it's a snowball, much bigger.
• 58:38
  True, true.
• 58:39
  Absolutely.
• 58:40
  Absolutely. I love the use of Caligula too, because that's something that I've said a number of times. I also like the term mango Mussolini, but hey, here we are.
• 58:51
  Yeah, that's good. I like that too. I hope Mr. Trump doesn't face the same fate that Mr. Mussolini did. Wouldn't wish that on anybody.
• 58:59
  No, I would call myself a pacifist, right? Except in the course of defense. Outside of defense, I don't see violence as being a viable option in any way, shape, or form at any time.
• 59:19
  I totally agree.
• 59:20
  There are better ways to handle things.
• 59:22
  I totally agree.
• 59:23
  The only real purpose of government is the,
• 59:27
  forgive me for using the word collective
• 59:28
  or the unified expression of the individual right of self-defense.
• 59:33
  That's it.
• 59:34
  And anymore, it's really just a monopoly on violence.
• 59:39
  Absolutely, 100%.
• 59:40
  I mean, there are literally zero, zero laws
• 59:45
  or legislative instances that aren't enforced
• 59:49
  with the eventual threat of death.
• 59:51
  comply or maybe just these fines and they bankrupt you then if they can't do that then
• 59:58
  they shoot you right yeah so interesting stuff so when you when you talk about de-risking finance
• 1:00:08
  for people um what are some of the ways that you help people de-risk as far as finances go
• 1:00:16
  And, you know, from my eyes, I look at that and I, it's a tough one because especially most people are just, you know, fully tuned into fiat.
• 1:00:28
  And I don't know how you de-risk fiat.
• 1:00:33
  Well, you do with hard assets.
• 1:00:35
  So that's the most difficult part of what I do because it's literally culty programming.
• 1:00:42
  We've been marinated in this mindset of the dollar for our whole lives.
• 1:00:45
  People accept they think inflation is just a mild, like catching a cold.
• 1:00:50
  It's just this mild, you know, the dollar.
• 1:00:53
  Here's the way I explain.
• 1:00:55
  I love because people remember visuals and they forget all the words.
• 1:00:58
  If your home shrank in size by 6% per year, within three to five years, you wouldn't be
• 1:01:06
  able to walk through the doorway.
• 1:01:08
  If your car shrank by that amount, within a few years, you couldn't even get behind
• 1:01:12
  the steering wheel.
• 1:01:13
  Most people, probably 99.9% of the American public, their entire lives are priced in dollars.
• 1:01:22
  They buy chewing gum in dollars.
• 1:01:26
  Their 401ks in dollars.
• 1:01:28
  They pay their internet bill in dollars.
• 1:01:30
  When their kid mows the lawn and gets $20 bill, everything's dollars, dollars, dollars.
• 1:01:35
  They're inextricably linked to the dollar.
• 1:01:38
  And they're going to get what the dollar gets.
• 1:01:40
  and what the dollar gets is engineered erosion of purchasing power.
• 1:01:47
  So just as an example, if somebody's, you know, pick an age,
• 1:01:50
  if somebody's 40 years old and you ask Social Security,
• 1:01:56
  based on what I've contributed so far, actually it's been stolen from me,
• 1:01:59
  but we'll be polite and say contributed so far,
• 1:02:02
  what would my monthly check be if I cash this in at 62 and a half?
• 1:02:07
  And they say, oh, yeah, we're going to send you $2,000 a month.
• 1:02:10
  what will that be worth in 35 years from now 25 years from now nobody knows it'll be worth five
• 1:02:18
  years from now it an absolute farce so you pay in if it being withheld from on a w or whatever it being paid in at curtain current purchasing power and paid back to you at seriously debased purchasing power So if you got 100 just to pick a modest number
• 1:02:39
  in your 401k right now, next year it'll buy 94,000 of what it'll buy this year, the following year,
• 1:02:44
  88, then 82, then down the drain you go. And once I can snap them out of their hypnosis
• 1:02:51
  and get them to understand what a crisis that is,
• 1:02:54
  they have to exit the system.
• 1:02:57
  Now, you've got to keep a footprint in the system
• 1:03:00
  to quack like a duck and look and function like a duck
• 1:03:03
  because you've got bills that come in next month
• 1:03:05
  and bills that come in the quarter after that.
• 1:03:08
  You have to have enough money in the system to be normal.
• 1:03:11
  The teller will smile when you show up.
• 1:03:13
  You don't look weird.
• 1:03:14
  It's like being a flock of ducks flying overhead.
• 1:03:16
  You don't want to be the one whose beak is blinking red
• 1:03:20
  you're flying upside down. You just want to blend in, be an ostensibly normal person.
• 1:03:25
  But the bulk of your net worth that's currently denominated in electrons, because that's all it is,
• 1:03:34
  is just magnetized spots on bank hard drives and financial institution hard drives.
• 1:03:39
  You want to move that into hard assets that hold their value against eroding fiat.
• 1:03:45
  Now, you've got a choice of antiques, could be paintings, could be fine art, different types of collectibles, gems, semi-precious gems, land, raw land, developed land, and precious metals.
• 1:03:58
  And of all of those, because of accessibility, fungibility, access, ease of owning, storing, handling, precious metals are the go-to.
• 1:04:08
  then to take it a step further, what class of precious metals?
• 1:04:12
  Because I do believe that when things get really bad,
• 1:04:15
  we're going to see severe capital controls on the ability to own precious metals.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  History says that will happen.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, which is why I advocate rare coins.
• 1:04:28
  That's another whole educational hurdle for people to jump over.
• 1:04:33
  because I can have a silver coin, silver dollar from 1880, let's say,
• 1:04:44
  that's so beat up you can't read the date on it.
• 1:04:46
  It doesn't really have much collectible value.
• 1:04:49
  And there's another one that looks so brand spanking new.
• 1:04:52
  Grandpa must have put it in a sock and stuck it under his toolbox
• 1:04:55
  and somebody just found it.
• 1:04:56
  It's worth $30,000.
• 1:04:58
  So with rare coins, you get the underlying appreciation in spot, which still has much further to go.
• 1:05:07
  But you also get the rarity premium.
• 1:05:11
  And rare coins, numismatics, have never been confiscated by any Western government.
• 1:05:17
  Even Roosevelt's decree in 1933 exempted them.
• 1:05:19
  Yeah, I was going to say, even the gold decree did not include gold coins, right?
• 1:05:27
  Now, gold rounds were included because that's not a coin, right?
• 1:05:33
  But gold coins were excluded from that.
• 1:05:36
  So that's the first thing I do.
• 1:05:41
  It's universal.
• 1:05:43
  Every client, you need to start right there.
• 1:05:45
  And I have a spreadsheet that I use that actually shows what percentage the client needs to move of their, I'll call it electronic money, into precious metals.
• 1:05:57
  And then that forms a new pie chart, and we break it down with gold, silver, platinum rounds, pre-64, junk silver dimes, numismatics, and the correct way to stack.
• 1:06:10
  Then we get into the next big, huge metal burden to overcome is, oh, my God, where am I going to keep all this?
• 1:06:17
  I say, well, bury it in the backyard.
• 1:06:20
  But actually bury it in your neighbor's backyard.
• 1:06:22
  Just don't tell your neighbor.
• 1:06:23
  and now we're now we got the mindset in the right direction and we start i explain if you can't drop
• 1:06:29
  it on your foot you don't own it yeah and if you don't get that go find someone else to work with
• 1:06:35
  because i don't waver on these principles and then there's if you want me to switch the subject
• 1:06:41
  we can talk about other other financial risk mitigation areas but that's the first
• 1:06:47
  big major overlay because it's sitting over their entire life yeah one thing i did not hear you say
• 1:06:56
  and we've had other people in the show talk about this quite a few times bitcoin i noticed you did
• 1:07:02
  not you did not know i mentioned that one time i am not anti-bitcoin i've thought from the very
• 1:07:07
  beginning that everybody should have a one or two or three percent holding in bitcoin
• 1:07:12
  or in crypto generally, and it's purely a speculative play.
• 1:07:18
  It's purely a speculative play.
• 1:07:20
  It has no inherent value.
• 1:07:22
  If the satellite dish goes down, if the bank, if the power grid goes down,
• 1:07:28
  the internet goes down, it's worth exactly zero.
• 1:07:32
  There is no privacy.
• 1:07:34
  They can track it completely.
• 1:07:35
  They have from day one.
• 1:07:37
  And yes, there's Monero and all these other privacy coins,
• 1:07:39
  and they can track those too.
• 1:07:40
  The NSA has quantum computing abilities way beyond what the public's been told.
• 1:07:46
  They can crack anything they want to if they choose to put you under the crosshairs.
• 1:07:51
  One of the, I think one of the key benefits when it does come to something like Bitcoin, though, is that it is highly capable of transactional stuff, right?
• 1:08:04
  Whereas like a precious metal is far less capable of that.
• 1:08:08
  No, I agree.
• 1:08:09
  I agree.
• 1:08:09
  There's no reason not to have a little bit of the action on an app on your phone if you want to go, beep, beep, and I just paid you five bucks like Venmo, except we're using Bitcoin or some other type of crypto.
• 1:08:21
  No problem.
• 1:08:22
  But as far as taking your entire life savings, which some people do, and putting it into Ethereum or Bitcoin or whatever, I think that would be a very risky gamble.
• 1:08:35
  It could be.
• 1:08:36
  And it would also depend, right?
• 1:08:38
  You could also point to people that bought in at $120K and they're at a massive loss.
• 1:08:46
  But you can also point to people that bought in in the early days and they are nowhere near a massive loss.
• 1:08:54
  No, no, I agree.
• 1:08:56
  If you're going to have a well-balanced, diversified portfolio, you make a decision what asset classes you're going to hold and then how you're going to enter each of those classes.
• 1:09:06
  If you're entering a very volatile asset class, you can cost average in and play the game, but you have to have an exit strategy too.
• 1:09:16
  If you're just going to buy and hold and hope for the best, well, that's just roughly a raw gamble.
• 1:09:21
  If you're in the stock market and you know anything about technical analysis and how to read charts and candlesticks on the weekly and monthly chart on the Dow or the S&P 500, it shows you when to exit, when to get off the dance floor.
• 1:09:34
  if you got a 401k just move it into money markets i mean there are risks mitigation protocols for
• 1:09:41
  every asset class if you want to take a flyer on bitcoin and just not have any extra strategy and
• 1:09:47
  worry about it because it could go to a million dollars a coin nobody knows have some fun but
• 1:09:52
  just do it do it with a very prudent portion of your of your portfolio yeah i always say just
• 1:09:59
  money you don't you don't need you don't have to think about right right outside of that you know
• 1:10:06
  hey it's up to you right it's your it's your your life but yeah you know you know throw a little
• 1:10:13
  here a little there if you feel like you know doing that i personally enjoy it um i enjoy some
• 1:10:18
  of the freedom that it brings about sure but at the same time you know look if the electricity stops
• 1:10:25
  it's gone.
• 1:10:27
  Yeah.
• 1:10:29
  With electricity, you're going to stop the money in your bank account
• 1:10:31
  up the street's gone too.
• 1:10:33
  Oh, it is. Yep.
• 1:10:34
  So one of the first things you do...
• 1:10:36
  My life savings.
• 1:10:37
  What's that?
• 1:10:38
  I was going to say, we're going to take my life savings.
• 1:10:40
  I'm going to buy Pokemon cards.
• 1:10:44
  There's a market for that.
• 1:10:46
  There's a market for that, yeah.
• 1:10:47
  One of the first things I have clients do is make sure you've got
• 1:10:50
  at least six months worth of cash.
• 1:10:53
  I'm talking 20s.
• 1:10:55
  at home at home somewhere somewhere yeah somewhere you can get to somewhere where you
• 1:11:03
  and maybe one other human knows where it is yep yeah yeah because you know even in the the worst
• 1:11:12
  case scenario at least for a period of time that will be fungible that's right now that could change
• 1:11:20
  after a couple of months,
• 1:11:23
  a few months or so,
• 1:11:24
  but at least for a period of time,
• 1:11:27
  you would have fungible assets.
• 1:11:31
  And if we had a Venezuela-type
• 1:11:32
  economic experience in the U.S.,
• 1:11:34
  which I don't see happening,
• 1:11:35
  because all the games they're going to play
• 1:11:37
  with digital money,
• 1:11:37
  I think would preclude that.
• 1:11:40
  But that's also an argument
• 1:11:41
  for pre-64 silver dimes as a barter,
• 1:11:46
  as just plain barter.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah, 90% silver.
• 1:11:50
  yep and you can get that fairly cheap too depending you know i i i um i work with well
• 1:11:58
  they're just friends of mine i don't i'm not employed by them but is a rare coins of new
• 1:12:03
  hampshire they're the best they're just what a gem they are nobody even knows about them
• 1:12:09
  rcnh.com rare coins of new hampshire really good solid people patriots fellow travelers they know
• 1:12:18
  the deal. They know where the bodies are buried. They have a lot of very wealthy clients who like
• 1:12:25
  to remain private. They'll come to them with a big check and say, I'm putting a portfolio together
• 1:12:30
  for my daughter for her college graduation. Here's a million-dollar check.
• 1:12:37
  And the folks at RareCoins will say, well, we can fill half of that within six months,
• 1:12:42
  but the other half might take a couple of years. What? They'll go to the big coin shows in New York
• 1:12:48
  can come back with nothing. Their standards are higher than that. Yeah, really, really
• 1:12:56
  good people.
• 1:12:57
  That's a good one. I'll have to keep that in mind.
• 1:13:00
  Mention me only because you'll go to the top of their inbox because their phones are melting,
• 1:13:05
  literally, as you can imagine right now.
• 1:13:07
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:08
  As people are waking up.
• 1:13:10
  Some are.
• 1:13:12
  Well, 5%, 3%. Again, human history.
• 1:13:16
  Yep.
• 1:13:18
  You know, hey, it only takes a few percent to make a huge difference.
• 1:13:24
  Margaret Mead.
• 1:13:25
  Yep.
• 1:13:27
  You're too smart.
• 1:13:28
  You're just too smart for your own good.
• 1:13:29
  No, I just, I was one of those people that was bought into the system, raised by a Navy captain.
• 1:13:40
  And, uh, you know, uh, this was something that it took me quite a, quite a good number of years to unlearn.
• 1:13:52
  Right.
• 1:13:53
  Uh, and several iterations, right.
• 1:13:55
  I went from, you know, party affiliation to, well, this is no good.
• 1:14:01
  This, you know, this is obviously the, this is wrong, uh, to, you know, uh, what was it at the time?
• 1:14:08
  the tea party, right?
• 1:14:13
  Oh, Lord, yeah.
• 1:14:14
  To, wow, yeah, nope, not that either.
• 1:14:17
  To constitutionalists.
• 1:14:20
  Hmm, okay.
• 1:14:23
  Nope, not that either.
• 1:14:25
  To, you know, where do I go from here?
• 1:14:29
  And eventually, yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:31
  And eventually ended up where I am now,
• 1:14:33
  which is, I don't support, condone, or give any credence to that system at all.
• 1:14:42
  I just, I think it's a sham, right?
• 1:14:46
  Yeah, it's like the old saying, you can't see the woods for the trees.
• 1:14:50
  You know, people are standing with their nose to the bark in the middle of the woods.
• 1:14:53
  Is this an elm? Is it an oak? Is it a pine? Is it a maple?
• 1:14:55
  You got to go back to the nearest tall hill, big hill,
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  till you can see the woods and get your perspective.
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  Then you can go back in and have a conversation.
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  Yeah.
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  Otherwise, you just need a blinder sign,
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  like the horse with the blinder sign.
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  Yeah, and of course that led me down the road of, you know,
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  all of the, you know, standard and, you know, known folks, right?
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  You know, Rothbard and, you know, all of the, you know,
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  authors and historical figures that had figured this out, which led me a little bit further into
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  Lysander Spooner, which led me a little further into Friedrich Bastiat, uh, et cetera, et cetera.
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  And the more you go and start really looking into this, the more you realize that this number one
• 1:15:47
  is not new. This, this has always been the game. It's always been the game. Uh, and number two,
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  you realize that you're brought into this and you are given lies through omission
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  that lead you to believe that this is a valid and correct system.
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  And it's the best thing ever.
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  And, oh my gosh, we're so free.
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  And, you know, it's funny, you know, I run across constitutionalists every once in a while
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  And I just ask him, well, you know, first off, which version, right?
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  You know, at which point.
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  But even if you go back to the original, you know, 10 amendments and the Bill of Rights and, you know, you go through the Constitution.
• 1:16:36
  If you go back to that, name one of our rights that hasn't been thoroughly and totally and completely trampled on and bastardized at this point.
• 1:16:47
  Totally. You can't.
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  Yeah. No.
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  What I like to say, Connecticut calls itself the Constitution State. That's what it says on the license plate, right? So you go to Connecticut with a bucket full of $1 bills and you stand in a shopping center. And everybody comes by and says, hey, if you can name any three of the 10 First Amendments of the Constitution, you have to quote them verbatim. Just give me the essence so you understand what they mean.
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  this is a free dollar and for you'll go home with a bucket full of dollar bills oh yeah that's the
• 1:17:23
  condition that we have today and these people as i said earlier and they all vote they vote locally
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  they vote at the state level and they vote federally and there was there was actually some
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  you know if you look at the the framers right and you look at some of the things that they did
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  like number one like you had to be a property owner a land skin in the game skin in the game
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  you had to actually be a part of to actually vote.
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  There were some good ideas, right?
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  Just I tend to side more with the anti-federalists.
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  This is going to go bad.
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  It always does.
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  It always has.
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  Historically, there's never, ever been an occasion
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  where giving power to a federal type of entity
• 1:18:12
  didn't end up exactly where we are today.
• 1:18:15
  so you know my statement to them is what exactly makes you think going back to that would make it
• 1:18:21
  any different what did we get like you know a 50-year reprieve before it starts getting bad
• 1:18:26
  again i mean you know it's it and it's a hard one to take for a lot of people well reality i know
• 1:18:34
  where you're thinking havoc you're thinking if we if we could fix this we just had more government
• 1:18:38
  right? Oh gosh, yes. That was exactly where I was
• 1:18:42
  going with this. I'm sure that's where you were going with that. More oversight, more
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  bureaucracies, more committees, more
• 1:18:50
  hearings. Let's do it. When I homeschooled the kids, we read the
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  Federalist Papers and we read the Anti-Federalist Papers.
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  Understand both sides of the
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  argument. And I bet your kids can even tell time
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  on a clock with hands.
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  They can.
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  Unlike most of the kids
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  They can even do basic math
• 1:19:11
  on a calculator.
• 1:19:12
  It's unbelievable.
• 1:19:13
  They can probably read cursive.
• 1:19:15
  Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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  They can even write their name in cursive.
• 1:19:21
  Just don't do it in front of your friends.
• 1:19:22
  They'll think it's like
• 1:19:23
  black magic or something.
• 1:19:25
  Like, what is that?
• 1:19:27
  You're like invoking the devil?
• 1:19:28
  No, it's just my name.
• 1:19:29
  Is that Arabic?
• 1:19:34
  Yeah, well.
• 1:19:35
  Oh, man.
• 1:19:35
  So where do we go from here? Now that we've solved all the world's problems, what do we talk about next?
• 1:19:41
  Well, I don't know that we've solved them, but we surely have identified some of the key areas of concern.
• 1:19:48
  Yeah, you know, I think, honestly, I could probably talk about this stuff for hours, right? Without question. Not probably. I absolutely could. It's very near and dear to my heart.
• 1:20:03
  But that being said, in the interest of time, et cetera, you know, let's go ahead and start wrapping things up a little bit.
• 1:20:13
  And one of the questions we always like to ask our guests is, you know, we appreciate you very much for giving us your time, right?
• 1:20:22
  And of course, audience, we very much appreciate you for giving us some of your time.
• 1:20:28
  Throughout our lives, we are impacted by an individual.
• 1:20:32
  It could be an author, a sixth grade science teacher, historical figure, it could be mom.
• 1:20:38
  But we like to give our guests an opportunity to shout out that person that was influential to them.
• 1:20:44
  Well, you blew my big announcement earlier.
• 1:20:49
  Oh, no.
• 1:20:50
  Because I told you before we started recording, it's Lysander Spooner.
• 1:20:57
  Lysander Spooner.
• 1:20:58
  Well, I would say that David Henry Thoreau is right up there at the same altitude.
• 1:21:07
  But as far as shifting, and in Bastiat and Hazlitt, there's a bunch of them.
• 1:21:13
  I've read about 5,000 books since I was 30 years old.
• 1:21:19
  And yeah, here we go again.
• 1:21:23
  I can't tell.
• 1:21:24
  It's so high-pitched, you can't tell where it's coming from.
• 1:21:26
  But there's probably about 20 or 30 of those books that are at the very top of the reading pile.
• 1:21:34
  And certainly the ones, you know, Constitution of No Treason, The Constitution of No Authority is right up there.
• 1:21:44
  But yeah, reading Spooner just took the top of my head off.
• 1:21:50
  I realized that one person, a friend of mine, took it to a really took an extreme.
• 1:21:55
  He said, are you even an American?
• 1:21:58
  I said, okay.
• 1:21:59
  You were born on this landmass through no effort of your own.
• 1:22:05
  They now claim you as a taxpayer on their farm, on their territory.
• 1:22:13
  You can't come and go without paperwork.
• 1:22:16
  You don't do what they say.
• 1:22:17
  They can imprison you.
• 1:22:18
  and aren't you really just a human living on this little mostly water blue beautiful
• 1:22:27
  ball of water going around the sun and and as i taught my kids why are we here the only reason
• 1:22:34
  you're here is to help each other period the i don't care if you're tall short fat ugly black
• 1:22:41
  white purple i don't quite care less what you believe in or don't believe in pick a religion
• 1:22:45
  have fun. I don't care. You're here to help other people. That's it. And government does not act in
• 1:22:54
  that interest. It's here to help itself. Government is a multi-celled organism, which understandably,
• 1:23:00
  like all organisms, seeks to survive and to preserve itself at all causes. And that's what
• 1:23:06
  it will do, as one writer put, when the effluvium hits the rotary airfoil. Because I'm being very
• 1:23:13
  polite. Okay. That's what it will do, and the heck with the rest of us.
• 1:23:19
  We're out there to fend for ourselves.
• 1:23:21
  And it gets back to agorism, anarchy in its truest understanding, taking care of ourselves and empowering ourselves within our heart, our soul, our spirit, our core, and then expanding that to the ones we love and care about in our immediate tribe, if you want to call it that.
• 1:23:44
  But, yeah, I hope that answers your question.
• 1:23:49
  Absolutely.
• 1:23:49
  Absolutely. All right. So you've written a book. Where can people find you? Where can they tune in? What have you got going on? What are you working on next?
• 1:24:01
  Well, thank you. The book is called The Risky Reader. The subtitle is Essays on Fallen Freedoms, Cultural Collapse, and the New America. And you can go to theriskyreader.com. There it is. You can buy it on Amazon. You can read a few chapters for free. There's some embarrassingly nice reviews I've already gotten that I posted on there.
• 1:24:26
  and forgive the cover.
• 1:24:28
  It looks like it was designed by a fifth grader,
• 1:24:31
  which is me.
• 1:24:33
  I'm not a graphic artist.
• 1:24:34
  I'm having somebody professionally work on a new cover,
• 1:24:37
  but it's a compilation of essays I wrote
• 1:24:40
  over a 30-year period.
• 1:24:42
  And I think you'll,
• 1:24:44
  I'll be happy to send a PDF to you, gentlemen,
• 1:24:46
  if you want to share your email addresses.
• 1:24:48
  Absolutely.
• 1:24:49
  I would love that.
• 1:24:50
  Yeah, I'd love to send it to you.
• 1:24:51
  Yeah, I did actually go and read the, it said four chapters, and I'm not certain those are full chapters, but snippets of the chapters.
• 1:25:02
  And yeah, I would be very interested.
• 1:25:05
  I would love to do that.
• 1:25:07
  And as far as the work that I do, I'm kind of semi-retired.
• 1:25:11
  You notice I didn't say retarded, I said semi-retired.
• 1:25:15
  And so the consulting that I do, not as much as I used to, is a family financial risk management.
• 1:25:24
  And you can go to GordonPhillips like me GordonPhillips Two O in Gordon two L in Phillips Click away You see the services that I offer what I do I more than happy to book a complimentary Zoom with anybody
• 1:25:42
  No sales, no pressure, just like talking like we are right now.
• 1:25:45
  It's a friendly conversation.
• 1:25:47
  Who are you?
• 1:25:47
  Where are you in life?
• 1:25:49
  What are your concerns, issues, problems, challenges?
• 1:25:52
  Can I help?
• 1:25:53
  Let's talk about that.
• 1:25:55
  And then we'll see if we take the next step.
• 1:25:57
  If not, we're still friends.
• 1:26:00
  And that's a good way to get you.
• 1:26:02
  You can go to schedulewithgordon.com.
• 1:26:06
  It takes you right to my Google calendar.
• 1:26:10
  And if any of those times don't work for you,
• 1:26:12
  then get in touch with me at the contact page on the website
• 1:26:16
  and we'll figure out something it does.
• 1:26:18
  And that's what I do.
• 1:26:22
  Wonderful.
• 1:26:23
  So, theriskyreader.com?
• 1:26:26
  TheRiskyReader.com.
• 1:26:27
  And GordonPhillips.me.
• 1:26:31
  Yes, sir.
• 1:26:31
  GordonPhillips.me.
• 1:26:33
  Yeah, dot me.
• 1:26:33
  That's me.
• 1:26:34
  Go check him out.
• 1:26:35
  Book a session.
• 1:26:36
  Talk to him.
• 1:26:37
  Yeah.
• 1:26:38
  You have absolutely, I will endorse you.
• 1:26:45
  God bless you.
• 1:26:47
  Just on this conversation.
• 1:26:49
  Well, thank you.
• 1:26:50
  I'm glad we met.
• 1:26:50
  We're obviously fellow travelers.
• 1:26:52
  Absolutely.
• 1:26:53
  And this is the darndest thing, because I've never done podcasts.
• 1:26:56
  before. 30 years ago, I did a ton of radio as a guest.
• 1:27:00
  Oh, really? Yeah, flying around the country, guesting on talk radio
• 1:27:04
  prior to the internet. Yeah.
• 1:27:08
  But I decided to sign up with a podcast service to
• 1:27:12
  promote the book, to get the book out there. Absolutely.
• 1:27:16
  I've met... You guys are great. You really are. I'm not just trying to
• 1:27:20
  falsely flatter you. You guys are really great. I've had a very, very
• 1:27:24
  varied experience with hosts.
• 1:27:28
  Some have been really great.
• 1:27:29
  Some have been interesting.
• 1:27:31
  Let's put it that way.
• 1:27:32
  But we're obviously fellow travelers.
• 1:27:34
  And the takeaway is we're all connected
• 1:27:37
  and we're all here to help each other.
• 1:27:40
  Absolutely.
• 1:27:40
  And it so important to create a network Your network can be physical local but it can also be dispersed and remote virtual so to speak
• 1:27:54
  But we all need each other.
• 1:27:57
  We all need each other.
• 1:27:58
  Absolutely.
• 1:27:59
  Developing that tribe and keeping those people around you, like-minded individuals, is of critical importance in my eyes.
• 1:28:08
  I agree.
• 1:28:09
  I agree.
• 1:28:10
  Awesome.
• 1:28:11
  Alex, anything to wrap up with?
• 1:28:15
  I get the rest of the night.
• 1:28:16
  I don't know where you guys are going.
• 1:28:18
  I'm probably going to make dinner.
• 1:28:20
  There you go.
• 1:28:21
  Probably go outside and shoot it and then make dinner, right?
• 1:28:24
  Well, you know.
• 1:28:25
  Possibly, yeah.
• 1:28:26
  Yeah.
• 1:28:27
  We've got plenty of stuff in freezer camp, so.
• 1:28:31
  I believe it.
• 1:28:32
  We'll probably use that.
• 1:28:33
  And plenty of solar panels to back it up, right?
• 1:28:35
  Yeah.
• 1:28:36
  Well, no solar panels yet, but that's on task for us.
• 1:28:41
  hopefully this year.
• 1:28:43
  Good for you.
• 1:28:45
  But we're off almost every other, well, not almost.
• 1:28:48
  We're off every other service, with the exception of the internet.
• 1:28:52
  Well, Havoc, it's been a pleasure.
• 1:28:54
  I don't know how to pronounce LX.
• 1:28:55
  Is it LX?
• 1:28:56
  Just LX.
• 1:28:57
  LX, okay, I like that.
• 1:29:00
  It's kind of like when Prince became the artist represented by the Ankh symbol.
• 1:29:05
  You could go there.
• 1:29:07
  you know
• 1:29:08
  formerly known as LX
• 1:29:11
  formerly known as LX
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  the anarchist
• 1:29:15
  formerly known as LX
• 1:29:17
  absolutely
• 1:29:17
  I'm sorry what an insult
• 1:29:21
  I didn't mean to imply that
• 1:29:22
  that's me I'm an anarchist
• 1:29:24
  unashamed I am 100%
• 1:29:27
  I fall into the
• 1:29:29
  individualist category of
• 1:29:31
  said
• 1:29:31
  beliefs
• 1:29:34
  ideology
• 1:29:35
  The available buffet of belief systems.
• 1:29:37
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:29:38
  Yeah, a little visible of that.
• 1:29:40
  Yeah.
• 1:29:41
  Yeah. Well, Gordon, Mr. Phillips, it's been wonderful having you on the show. It really
• 1:29:47
  has I would absolutely love to have you back at a later date I think we have topics that we could go on for days about I agree I love to Thank you It been an honor I mean that sincerely I had a blast This has been a really fun hour and a half It refreshing It
• 1:30:08
  like, it's like validating, like, thank you, Jesus. There are other people out there who think
• 1:30:12
  the way I do. You're not alone, Gordon. You know, like, uh, yeah, that was, that was actually a huge
• 1:30:20
  thing for me was finding people that, because for a while there, I kind of felt like I'm all alone
• 1:30:27
  here. Nobody thinks like this. And then it's finding people and you find more and it's refreshing.
• 1:30:35
  It is. I'd love to do this again. Let's share email addresses. You know how to get in touch
• 1:30:39
  with me through the podcast platform, right? Yes, sir. So give me your email address. I'll write to
• 1:30:44
  you. I'll send you guys a copy of the book and we can stay in touch. I'd love to do this again.
• 1:30:51
  It would be my pleasure. Wonderful. Wonderful. All right. Well, thank you very much for giving
• 1:30:56
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