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Trump and Epstein: What the New York Times Revealed About Their Real Relationship (Part 2) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the New York Times article
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  about the relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein once again.
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  The authors of this article are Nicholas Confessor and Julie
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  Tait Sex talk and office hours. Sometimes the phone would
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  ring in mister Trump's office at Trump Tower. The caller,
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  the mysterious Jeffrey, as mister Trump described him in a
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  two thousand and four book of business Advice, never gave
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  a last name, nor did he need to, mister Trump wrote.
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  A few times a week, the phone would ring in
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  mister Epstein's office in the Villard Houses on Madison Avenue.
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  Mister Trump would be on the line. On one occasion,
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  recalled an Epstein assistant from the mid nineties, Mister Trump
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  refused to give any name at all. The White House
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  spokeswoman declined to say whether mister Trump book was referring
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  to a different Jeffrey, but the two talked at least
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  three times a week during the mid late nineties, According
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  to a second Epstein assistant from the period. The first assistant,
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  who often worked late recalled that sometimes that when the
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  office emptied out, mister Epstein would check to see that
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  she was at her desk and put mister Trump on speaker.
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  Mister Trump, she said, seemed to enjoy regalling mister Epstein
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  with tales of his sexual exploits, and mister Epstein seemed
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  to delight and how uncomfortable it made her to overhear them.
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  And that's a power play, for sure. That's what people do.
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  Right I'm on the phone with this guy. Let me
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  put it on speaker so I can flex and show
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  exactly the kind of power that me and my buddies
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  have over women. And it's something that Epstein did quite
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  a bit. She remembered one call in the mid nineties
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  on which the two men discussed how much pubic hair
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  a particular woman had and whether there was enough for
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  mister Epstein to floss his teeth with. Like, what, hold on,
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  wait a minute, talking about floss in your teeth with
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  pubic hair? You sick, disgusting piece of garbage. What sort
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  of degenerate mind even thinks up something like that? Have
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  you ever been sitting around saying to yourself, you know what,
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  I bet I could lost my teeth with someone's pubic hair.
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  The whole last thing is just weird and disgusting. On another,
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  mister Trump told mister Epstein about having sex with another
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  woman on a pool table. The former assistant said, and look,
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  I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
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  any of this is criminal. We don't know, we have
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  no idea, but it's the kind of conversations that in
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  the past would have sunk somebody if they were president.
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  So have we fallen that far as a society where
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  this kind of thing is just okay because it's your guy.
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  That is some wild shit. Because I promise you right now,
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  if this was Joe Biden who had this conversation with
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  Jeffrey Epstein, we would never heard the end of it.
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  The same people that told us about Tom Hanks and
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  Adreno chrome would have been talking about reptilians and you
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  name it. But now those same people are making excuses
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  for this kind of behavior from Donald Trump. None of
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  it's okay and all of it's disgusting. A woman known
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  in court records as Jane Doe, who mister Epstein traffic
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  during the mid nineties, beginning in her early years, testified
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  in Miss Maxwell's criminal trial in twenty twenty one, that
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  Epstein often put famous friends on speakerphone in front of
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  other people. And that's what I was talking about previously.
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  That's something that Jeffrey Epstein did quite a bit. According
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  to a lot of reports, the cause with mister Trump
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  continued through the later years of the men's friendship. According
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  to a third former employee who worked for mister Epstein
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  on and off through most of the two thousands and
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  also recalled them putting mister Trump on speaker, they would
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  talk about pageants or modeling shows for which countries women
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  were in vogue in the fashion world. Sometimes, the third
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  employee said, mister Trump went on so long that mister Epstein,
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  whose attention span was famously short, would leave the room
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  while his friend was still talking. That certainly tracks certainly
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  the kind of thing that Epstein did. And if you
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  think that Jeffrey Epstein was impressed by Donald Trump, you're crazy.
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  At this point, Jeffrey Epstein was more powerful than Donald Trump.
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  Keep that in mind. Trump might have had a few bucks,
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  but he wasn't protected like Jeffrey Epstein was. Maria Farmer,
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  an artist who said that she was sexually assaulted by
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  miss Maxwell and mister Epstein during the mid nineteen nineties,
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  till the Times in twenty nineteen that mister Epstein had
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  one summoned her to meet mister Trump at the Villard
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  House's office. Mister Trump leered at her, she said, before
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  mister Epstein informed him that she is not for you.
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  And I remember Maria telling me that directly, and she
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  also said it in the interview that I did with
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  her both times. So there's no doubt in my mind
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  that Trump was around quite a bit. I think the
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  only thing that we don't know now for sure is
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  how deep it ran, and if Trump was involved in
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  any kind of criminal behavior, well other than the cover up,
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  because that's certainly happening. I don't even think that's a debate.
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  This summer, a spokesman from mister Trump denied that the
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  President had ever set foot in mister Epstein's office. The
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  first former assistant, though, recall mister Trump meeting there briefly
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  with mister Epstein at least several times during the mid nineties.
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  Her account was supported by Mark Epstein, mister Epstein's brother,
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  who said that Jeffrey had told him that mister Trump
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  visited very frequently, and Mark Epstein has been adamant about
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  that for years now. He's talked about how Jeffrey Epstein
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  and Donald Trump were very close. And it's not just
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  Mark Epstein saying it. We have a lot of people
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  who have come forward now and who have corroborated the story.
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  He was at the office all the time back then,
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  mister Epstein said in an interview with The Times Daily.
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  Handwritten notes kept by the first former assistant and reviewed
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  by the Times suggests that mister Trump was a regular
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  presence in mister Epstein's life. The notes, spanning several months
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  in the late nineteen ninety four, have not been previously reported. Well,
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  that's interesting, and I'm guessing they're talking about Leslie Groff here?
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  Is that who they interviewed? Who else could it be?
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  Some pages contain instructions to call mister Trump or return
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  his call. One note reminded the assistant to call mister
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  Trump's office to see if he was flying to Florida tomorrow.
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  Another recorded that a package would be arriving with an
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  invitation tomorrow. Lago events. On one page of instructions about
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  invitations for an upcoming party, mister Trump was to be invited,
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  but only if his ex wife, Havanna, with whom Miss
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  Maxwell was friendly, declined. Their relationship was riddled with undertones
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  of envy and disdain. Mister Epstein seemed to hold a
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  low opinion of his friend's business acumen, according to the
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  former employees and others who knew him. Well, that's par
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  for the course. Epstein didn't have friends, He had people
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  that he could use and climb on. And if Trump
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  was dumb enough to think he was friends with Epstein,
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  more's the pity. On one occasion around two thousand and one,
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  the third four employee said mister Epstein was annoyed after
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  mister Trump called him. He later told the employee that
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  mister Trump was short on cash and wanted to ride
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  on mister Epstein's plane. Well, Trump certainly was going through
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  some money problems back in the day when everything failed
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  up in Atlantic City, you know, when people were pressing
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  for their debts to be repaid. Trump certainly was in
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  a crunch. Now, did he have any kind of business
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  with Epstein as far as financial, I don't know, but
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  it seems likely. And that's another reason that I think
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  Trump is so worried about the files coming out, he
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  knows that he might be exposed by his financial dealings
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  with Jeffrey Epstein. During the early years of their friendship,
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  mister Trump was racing toward a reckoning over the billions
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  of dollars he had borrowed to assemble his struggling empire,
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  including casinos, hotels, an airline, and a yacht. According to
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  former Epstein employees, mister Trump seemed attracted to the financier's
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  wealth and business network, especially because Trump couldn't get loans
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  at the time. Nobody was going to offer him money.
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  So where's he going to get that money? You go
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  to a guy like Jeffrey fucking Epstein. You want to
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  talk about a middleman, You want to talk about somebody
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  that has access to billions. You're looking at him. It's
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  unclear whether mister Epstein, who ostensibly specialized in offering tax
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  and estate planning for wealthy clients, helped mister Trump navigate
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  his financial problems, but in his twenty twenty memoir of
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  representing Epstein victims relentless pursuit, the Florida lawyer Bradley J.
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  Edwards wrote that mister Epstein had claimed to some young
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  women that he had bailed his friend out of bankruptcy.
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  Boys and girls, that is bad news for Donald Trump
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  if that's the case. Was that money declared, did he
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  pay taxes on it? Where did that money originate? Did
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  it originate from a place of criminality? All of these
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  things you're going to have to be explored. Even as
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  he dismissed mister Trump's stillmaking, mister Epstein, who could be
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  socially offered at other people's parties, seemed to admire his
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  friend's brash confidence and access to higher realms of nightlife
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  and celebrity. He frequently mentioned his friendship with mister Trump,
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  according to several accusers, telling one he had a bedroom
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  reserved at Mar a Lago. Take that with a grain
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  of salt. Epstein was certainly a liar, So we have
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  to take things that he said with a grain of salt.
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  And there's no doubt about that. Does that mean everything
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  he said was bullshit? No? And how do we know, Well,
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  we have to use evidence to back up the comments
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  he's making. Even after they fell out, mister Epstein kept
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  a framed photo of himself with mister Trump and his
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  future third wife, Malanya, on a credenza in his upper
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  east side dining room. And you have to understand that
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  the pictures on the walls at Epstein's house was like
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  a menagerie, right, That was his collection of people that
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  he felt he had power over. I mean, do we
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  have to talk about Bill Clinton in the blue dress? Well,
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  you think Epstein just did that out of the blue?
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  Does the power play folks? Just like the picture Trump
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  on this credenza the party circuit. A few years into
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  mister Trump's friendship with mister Epstein, Avonna Trump filed for divorce.
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  Mister Trump's affair with Marlon Maples, a former pageant contestant,
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  was running hot and cold. In ninety two, he invited
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  NBC Tomorrow Lago to shoot a video for a feature
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  about his post divorce life on the talk show A
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  Closer Look. I love beautiful women, I love going out
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  with beautiful women, and I love women in general, he
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  said in the footage, And look nothing wrong with that. Hell,
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  I love beautiful women, I love going out with beautiful women,
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  I love being around them, and I'm sure that most
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  heterosexual males out there feel the same way. But at
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  the same time, I don't look at women as a
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  piece of meat. Or something to be conquered. They're my equals,
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  my peers, my friends, my sister, my wife, whatever. But
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  these sons of bitches, they have a whole different outlook
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  on life, and they look at people as commodities, as
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  opposed to people. So there's nothing wrong with liking beautiful
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  women and wanting to be around them. There's something completely
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  and utterly wrong with abusing them. The cameras captured him
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  and mister Epstein at the Palm Beach estate, surrounded by
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  cheerleaders from the Miami Dolphins and Buffalo Bills. In the video,
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  mister Trump grabs a smiling woman from the rear and
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  pass her on the behind. In another clip, he appears
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  to point toward women on the dance floor and mister
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  Epstein doubles over, laughing at something his friend whispered. Can
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  you imagine what kind of vile nonsense these two guys
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  were talking about. In January of ninety three, mister Trump
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  held another party at mar A Lago, this one to
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  kick off a beauty pageant he was bringing to Atlantic
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  City with two business partners, George Harrainy and Jill Harth.
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  Two dozen or so potential contestants were flown in to
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  meet mister Trump. The only other guest at the party,
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  mister Horny told The Times in twenty nineteen, was mister Epstein.
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  But remember, folks, they weren't that close, right, They weren't friends.
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  Hardly knew the guy, never saw him, certainly never hung
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  out with him. And this is what I'm talking about
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  with Trump lying to everybody's face. You can say that
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  you didn't do anything wrong, you can say you didn't
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  do anything criminal, but you can't try and recreate history.
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  We all know what happened. We all know that you
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  guys were close, and it's all documented. So if you're
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  lying about that, what else are you lying about? Daring
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  dinner that night? Miss Heart alleged in a ninety seven lawsuit,
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  mister Trump groped her under the table, then cornered her
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  in a bedroom normally used by his daughter Yvanka, and
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  forcibly kissed, fondled, and restrained her from leaving. And that
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  lawsuit was filed in ninety seven, long before Trump was
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  quote unquote a target of a Democrat hoax. So what's
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  the answer to that? Just gonna write it off, No
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  big deal. These kinds of things happen well, if you're
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  a scumbag, maybe later in the pre dawn hours, she
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  alleged in the suit, mister Trump also sneaked into a
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  bedroom being used by a twenty two year old contestant,
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  climbing onto her bed uninvited. He groped her too, according
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  to the suit. Mister Trump has denied the allegations by
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  Miss Harth, who declined to comment. The pageant partnership later fizzled,
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  leading mister Horney to separately sue mister Trump in ninety
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  five for breach of contract. Miss Harth said she withdrew
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  her subsequent harassment lawsuit as a condition for settling the
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  contract dispute. She went on to briefly date mister Trump,
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  that whole situation's odd. I don't know enough about that
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  to break it down, but we have to keep in
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  mind there are people out there that are looking for
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  a bag, people that are gonna make all kinds of
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  crazy allegations because they know they're going to get paid.
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  And I'm not saying that's what happened with Miss Harth,
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  but we always have to be cognizant of that. We
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  have to be aware that it happens. According to mister Epstein,
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  he and mister Trump partied at his house too. In
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  a twenty fifteen email exchange with Land and Thomas Junior,
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  then a Times reporter, he recounted a moment when mister
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  Trump so focused on young women swimming in his pool
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  that he walked into a glass door. Mister Epstein also
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  referred to the twenty two year old contestant from that
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  night in ninety three, indicating she had pictures of Donald
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  and girls in bikinis in my kitchen, and providing her
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  email address. The emails, among those released by Congress last month,
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  came as mister Trump led in the polls for the
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  Republican presidential nomination. Mister Thomas, who had once pitched mister
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  Epstein on a sympathetic profile, said he was being approached
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  by people who thought he had juicy info on you
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  and Trump. It's unclear whether the photos of mister Epstein
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  referenced exist. The former contestant cannot be reached for comment.
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  The Times is withholding her name because she has publicly
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  not come forward with her own account of the events.
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  Mister Thomas has said he never received any photographs. He
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  left The Times in twenty nineteen after disclosing that he
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  had solicited a charitable contribution from mister Epstein. That's a
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  whole lass, other can of worms. Another fucking journalist on
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  Epstein's dime. Huh. No wonder the story never got out.
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  In November of nineteen ninety three, mister Trump's chosen pageant
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  contestants flew in from around the world for a week
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  of events at his properties in New York and Atlantic City.
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  At one point, Miss Harth said in her lawsuit, mister
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  Trump demanded that she provide him with access to a
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  seventeen year old check contestant. The suit does not say
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  if she complied or if mister Trump met the contestant.
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  Towards the end of the week, the contestants joined mister
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  Trump for a press luncheon at the Plaza. One contestant,
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  Beatrice coll then, a bank employee and part time model
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  from Switzerland, said in an interview with The Times that
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  during the event, one of mister Trump's employees asked her
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  to meet him privately in a sweet upstairs. Almost as
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  soon as she arrived, Miss Coole said, mister Trump began
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  groping her, kissing her and trying to lift her dress.
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  I yelled, I screamed. I pushed him. She said he
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  didn't want to give up. Like, what do you do
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  with that? Is everybody just lying because they want to
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  lie about Trump? Is that really what you believe? At
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  some point you have to ask yourself how come all
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  these people are making these allegations if they're not true.
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  She said that she was withholding some of the details
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  of what happened because she had been subject to anonymous threats.
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  Miss Coole first described aspects of the episode to The
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  Deli Mel last year. A friend, Pascal Clavez, told The
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  Times that miss Coole recounted the episode at the Plaza
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  to him around two thousand and four. Miss Coole also
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  provided The Times with pictures of documents corroborating her participation
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  in the pageant and of herself with mister Trump. Before
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  the private meeting, she was also approached by mister Epstein.
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  I'm Jeffrey, I'm Don's best friend, she recalled him, saying
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  she was confused at first. Miss Cole said because she
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  didn't seem to be affiliated with the pageant, she didn't
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  understand why he had been allowed into the press luncheon.
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  He said, Don likes you very much. And that their
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  organizing parties at mar A Lago and he would love
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  for you to join. Miss Coole said he would take
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  care of her, her flights, her hotel. You just need
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  to pack and come to the party at mar A Lago,
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  she recalled him, saying, when Miss Cold demurred, mister Epstein
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  tried other tactics, going on about the wealth he kept
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  in Swiss Banks, then about famous friends with whom he
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  could arrange meetings. Epstein knew exactly what he was doing.
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  She said. He had hunting methods. It was a routine.
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  The first to mister Epstein's former assistants interviewed by The Times,
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  said that on dozens of occasions in the mid nineties,
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  the financier Pedophile instructed her to call a pageant winner
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  from somewhere in the world and invited her to visit
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  him in Florida. His standing offer, the assistant said, was
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  an all expense paid trip and five thousand dollars in
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  cash to go shopping on Worth Avenue, pomp Beach, Fame
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  shopping destination. In December of ninety three, not long after
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  the pageant, mister Trump married Miss Maples at the Plot
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  photo show. Mister Epstein in attendance, but the parties continued.
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up episode two right there,
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  and in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where
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  we left off. All of the information that goes with
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  this episode can be found in the description box.