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Still Putting Draco's on the Plane · GAS MONEY

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another installment of Gas Money.
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SPEAKER_01: We are recording now, niggas is talking over the introduction, but it's fine because this is the type of promotion that we have going on.
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SPEAKER_01: But to the left of me, I have a illustrious guest.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, we have two guests today, actually.
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SPEAKER_01: Um Godfrey is a regular, so uh I'm introducing Godfrey right now.
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SPEAKER_06: What's up, everybody?
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SPEAKER_06: Thank you for having me again.
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SPEAKER_06: It's a great honor to be back on the Gas Money podcast.
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SPEAKER_06: Um to my left, um, what would you like me to call you?
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SPEAKER_03: Call me Hollywood, and call me Ray, whatever you want to call me.
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SPEAKER_03: So to my left is Hollywood Ray.
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SPEAKER_03: Yo, yo, yo, what's good?
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SPEAKER_03: Hollywood to the left of me, I got my boy Toon.
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SPEAKER_03: Happy birthday, Toon.
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SPEAKER_00: Yo, yo, yo.
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SPEAKER_00: Appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_00: More life.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you, thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the turn?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I just turned 11.
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unknown: Alright, cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh to the left of me, I have Chubbs.
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SPEAKER_02: You already know Chubbs is back in the building in full effect.
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SPEAKER_02: And I guess I'm going to send it back to AG.
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SPEAKER_02: Why do you guess it back?
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SPEAKER_02: Because he's no longer my best friend, so I can't use the words that I usually say.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, makeup.
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SPEAKER_01: This is um not only is it uh Toon's birthday weekend, this is um a Halloween we're Halloween weekend or is it Halloween weekend next month?
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SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's a Hollow Hole weekend.
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SPEAKER_06: Pre-Halloween week.
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SPEAKER_06: Pre-Halloween weekend because it's gonna be November next month.
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SPEAKER_06: That's true.
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SPEAKER_06: In November Fiends for that kind of stuff, but nah, once it's the new month, nah.
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SPEAKER_00: Devil was called.
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SPEAKER_01: So this is definitely Halloween weekend.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, slash Tomb's birthday.
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SPEAKER_01: Slash Toon's birthday.
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SPEAKER_01: Hallow! So how did you guys feel about this uh weekend?
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SPEAKER_01: I was Bible studying, so I wasn't out and about being a harlot.
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SPEAKER_01: How was uh how was the costumes out there, guys?
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SPEAKER_01: Any any interesting costumes?
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SPEAKER_01: I saw Waldo.
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SPEAKER_00: He took up two pages.
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SPEAKER_00: That sure that shirt was terrible.
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SPEAKER_03: Now the thing about I hate about Halloween is that it allows everyone to dress however they want.
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SPEAKER_03: When I mean everybody, I mean women and I mean gay niggas.
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SPEAKER_01: Listen, listen.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many podcasts you've been on.
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SPEAKER_01: But this is not a place for that type of life.
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SPEAKER_01: We call them faggots here.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, niggas is wild.
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SPEAKER_00: Niggas is wild.
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SPEAKER_01: That was it.
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SPEAKER_01: So which letter of the alphabet are you talking about?
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SPEAKER_01: Nah, gay people take jokes very uh, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about the letter they take away.
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SPEAKER_03: It's just everybody, like Halloween, anybody can dress however they want.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: And people's danger.
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SPEAKER_03: Yo, what?
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SPEAKER_06: What men can't dress wild like that.
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SPEAKER_06: What?
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SPEAKER_06: Bro, I saw a nigga in a toga.
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SPEAKER_06: A half toga.
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SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_06: A half toga.
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SPEAKER_06: Give me some detail of what he's wearing, and that'll make me.
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SPEAKER_02: He had the bottom and a gold stripe around his head with no shirt on.
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SPEAKER_02: That's not wild though.
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SPEAKER_03: That's not like they do that shit in collars.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, that's what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_03: I was seeing like I was seeing niggas in dresses.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm not wearing no straight men wearing dresses.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I ain't wearing no.
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SPEAKER_03: It's a costume.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna costume.
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SPEAKER_02: Nigga, I'm not coming out as no blue man or nothing, nigga.
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SPEAKER_02: You crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: I think um women take this holiday much more seriously than men.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because they could dress like a hoe and not be considered a hoe.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let me let me defend the women, because that's I'm a feminist.
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SPEAKER_01: That's my podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: What makes a costume slutty though?
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SPEAKER_02: If you come outside in lingerie with bunny is, that's a slutty costume.
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SPEAKER_01: No, that's a Playboy bunny costume.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: You know niggas gonna be checking you out harder than you the usual, and niggas gonna be plotting.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's my fault, is that niggas' fault?
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SPEAKER_02: It's definitely niggas' fault.
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SPEAKER_01: It's definitely both.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, how's it?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna take it.
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SPEAKER_02: Because you know, you know what comes when you have your ass all out.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm wearing a costume.
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SPEAKER_02: If you come outside and just paste these, you know the attention you're gonna get.
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SPEAKER_02: No, but what costume is that?
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SPEAKER_02: I seen bitches come out and just paste these.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a cardi B.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a cardi B.
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SPEAKER_06: That's a costume.
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SPEAKER_06: You come Halloween is it gives you an opportunity to choose what you're gonna wear, right?
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SPEAKER_06: You get to choose what you're doing.
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SPEAKER_06: So you know the attention that comes with you.
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SPEAKER_06: Why do you keep putting on clothes that are?
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SPEAKER_06: Because they're not draws attention.
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SPEAKER_02: They could do that without getting judged.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's the point of remote.
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SPEAKER_06: It's okay, like I'm no one's judging you, but the thing is, if you have the choice to do something, you decide to go this way with it, knowing that it's gonna bring this much attention, then obviously that's something you've wanted to do normally.
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SPEAKER_06: No.
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SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no.
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SPEAKER_06: Yes.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay, so if they had gave you, all right, do you have a day where as a male you could do anything you want?
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SPEAKER_06: You have a past to do it, whatever you want.
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SPEAKER_06: Whatever.
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SPEAKER_06: What are you doing?
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SPEAKER_01: That's every day.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm fucking couple.
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, that's seriously answer the question though.
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SPEAKER_06: If I had the if I had a day to do whatever I want to do.
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SPEAKER_06: I took it.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't fucking hardly.
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SPEAKER_06: Let me be more specific.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm robbing a bank.
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SPEAKER_06: You have um all crimes are yeah, all crimes are a purge?
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SPEAKER_06: You can do any crime you want.
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SPEAKER_06: What you gonna do?
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SPEAKER_06: Rob the bank.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh, damn, yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: I say about you.
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SPEAKER_06: You want money.
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SPEAKER_06: I need money.
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SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but at your point, so in girls who wear slutty on Halloween, what does that say?
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SPEAKER_00: It's attention.
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SPEAKER_06: It is no no, you see how you differentiate slut from wanting attention, though.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Because when like my one of my theories is like women who wear revealing clothes, they know what attention they're gonna get, and that's what they really want.
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SPEAKER_06: The problem is when the wrong dude gives them the attention.
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SPEAKER_03: I I'm gonna disagree.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna disagree.
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SPEAKER_03: You disagree?
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SPEAKER_03: I'ma disagree.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh so the whole thing when we talk about Halloween and about how it gives you like an opportunity for anybody to wear whatever they want.
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SPEAKER_03: So guys do it too as well.
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SPEAKER_03: They wear either it's a fucking stupid ass costume, because they want attention, gay ass costume, and they they do it for the attention.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Like I've seen guys wearing dress, like, why would you wear a dress?
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SPEAKER_03: You have the opportunity to be anything.
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SPEAKER_03: If I have the opportunity to wear any costume, I'm fucking being Spider-Man.
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SPEAKER_03: That's you though.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm being Spider-Man, I'm Batman.
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SPEAKER_03: Why would niggas fight?
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SPEAKER_01: No, no, I understand what you're saying.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're attacking women for wanting a don't attach attacking to me.
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SPEAKER_06: No, no, we're not attacking like I see it.
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SPEAKER_02: We're just saying they do it for attention.
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SPEAKER_02: They're just like men.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they do it.
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SPEAKER_02: Like you said, when these men are doing that, what are they doing for attention?
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SPEAKER_02: And they hope that a girl can be like young man.
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SPEAKER_06: If you as a male wearing a dress, you're not trying to attract no woman, you're trying to be funny, which is cool.
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SPEAKER_02: But if they come out trying to be like Young Thug, like an outfit that young thought will wear, young thug.
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SPEAKER_01: They would try to be funny.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting right here.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
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SPEAKER_01: He's a me like close right now.
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SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to check that real fast.
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SPEAKER_01: But the point that I don't understand is because we started this conversation, remember, this is recorded, calling women sluts for dressing how.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't call that.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about you in particular.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at right at you.
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SPEAKER_01: Just to make it clear.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Calling women sluts for dressing how they want.
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SPEAKER_02: No, I didn't say that they're sluts for dressing how they want.
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SPEAKER_02: So why are they sluts?
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SPEAKER_02: I said that they have a day to be slutty without being judged as a slut.
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SPEAKER_01: So then why are we even talking about them like that?
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SPEAKER_01: It's like a slut purge or something?
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SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Because it's kill all sluts.
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SPEAKER_00: It's legit the slut.
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SPEAKER_00: I seen a whole ass out yesterday.
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SPEAKER_00: I wasn't there, but I'm mad.
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SPEAKER_00: I see pussy out.
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SPEAKER_00: I see pussy out.
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SPEAKER_01: No, that's true.
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SPEAKER_01: I probably saw that too if I was there, but I wasn't there.
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SPEAKER_00: But exactly I would have spoken to that girl the the weekend before, just like I spoke to her this weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's just out of changes.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, you can't say what you can't say that.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't say that.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I've seen some women that look legit, hideous, but because they had their tits out, niggas was hammer them.
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SPEAKER_02: So whose call is that though?
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SPEAKER_01: Why are we blaming the women?
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SPEAKER_01: But I'm blaming everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: Put yourself in a woman's perspective.
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SPEAKER_01: If I'm a woman, I know every day out of the year when I go out with my homegirls, I get no attention.
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SPEAKER_01: But Halloween is the one time where I can have my tits and ass out, and it's acceptable, and I can finally get the same attention that my pretty homegirl got.
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SPEAKER_01: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: I never said she's a slut.
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SPEAKER_02: So why what makes up a slut?
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SPEAKER_02: I said Halloween is a day that they could come out dressed as a slut.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, but what is that is what I'm asking.
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SPEAKER_02: And not Okay, they could come out dressed revealing and not get judged.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, but women dress revealing every day.
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SPEAKER_02: They could dress slutty and not get judged.
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SPEAKER_02: When you say when I say slutty, if you come outside in a fucking thong and some fishnets, you're dressing slutty.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Not really.
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SPEAKER_02: Nigga, what do prostitutes wear?
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SPEAKER_02: But if it's a costume with slutty.
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SPEAKER_02: Because um you're associating with what slutts wear.
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SPEAKER_02: So what did you dress up as like last year?
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SPEAKER_02: Who was that last year?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know, master.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
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SPEAKER_00: Was it no?
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SPEAKER_02: Last year, I think.
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SPEAKER_02: Did I do Mike Jones last year?
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SPEAKER_00: You didn't dress up last year.
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SPEAKER_00: We was in A.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, I didn't dress up last year.
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SPEAKER_02: The last time you wore a costume, you didn't.
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SPEAKER_02: The last time I wore a costume, I did Mike Jones, I did Ice Cube.
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SPEAKER_02: So you were rappers, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Does that make you a rapper?
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SPEAKER_02: No, but I do wish I could be a rapper.
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SPEAKER_02: So then why don't you just go be a rapper?
8:57
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm trash when it comes to rapping.
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SPEAKER_02: My pen skills is trash, my delivery is trash.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a whole different uh argument.
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SPEAKER_01: The point I'm saying, just because you do something, the Playboy money doesn't make you a slut.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what I do.
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SPEAKER_02: I never said you're slut.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a day that you could dress slut.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a good idea.
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SPEAKER_03: This is one thing.
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SPEAKER_03: This is one thing I gotta say, because this is actually something I saw.
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SPEAKER_03: So a friend uh that uh previously worked with, she sent me a picture.
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SPEAKER_03: She was like um her homegirl.
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SPEAKER_03: She dressed it up as a as a sexy cat.
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SPEAKER_03: She sent her the picture of the sexy cat.
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SPEAKER_03: She was dressed as a typical sexy cat that you would see on Halloween.
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SPEAKER_03: Fishnets, uh the bodysuit joint, and she to top it all off, she had fucking little ear joints going her head.
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SPEAKER_03: So her friend Dina, like they both planned to be sexy cats.
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SPEAKER_03: So she sent her her picture before they went out.
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SPEAKER_03: Dina sent her her picture before she went out, and her sexy cat, like, she wore regular clothes.
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SPEAKER_03: Like she wore what like she just wore, she had on jeans, she had on shoes, and she had on sweater, she had regular clothes, she had a tail, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: She just had a uh she she had like a uh a little mask.
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SPEAKER_03: It was like a big, like a big ass fucking like a super, like one of them big fucking head cat like the mascot shits, and it was like a fucking cute cat.
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SPEAKER_03: Like she was.
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SPEAKER_01: She's trying to be sexy.
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SPEAKER_01: That's sexy cat?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it could be a little bit of a little bit of a cat.
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SPEAKER_00: What was her ass?
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SPEAKER_00: So that's a slutty cat, nigga.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, semantic.
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SPEAKER_02: If the cat looked cute, you won't say it's a sexy cat?
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SPEAKER_03: No, because cute is sexy with two.
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SPEAKER_03: When you talk about slutty, the first thing you gotta do is define what a slut is.
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SPEAKER_03: That's what I'm trying to get.
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SPEAKER_02: So a slutty outfit is what?
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SPEAKER_02: Let God figure this point out.
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SPEAKER_06: Before I even go about the slutty part, just notice that um, you know, Hollywood said that if he could be anything on Halloween, he'd be Spider-Man or Batman.
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SPEAKER_06: Batman, right?
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SPEAKER_06: He chose two superheroes.
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SPEAKER_06: So you have the option to choose something you want to be in a fantasy land.
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SPEAKER_06: This man chooses to be a superhero.
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SPEAKER_06: When it comes to certain women, why do you choose to be something that is revealing your body?
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SPEAKER_06: What is that?
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SPEAKER_06: Why?
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SPEAKER_06: Why have you not?
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SPEAKER_06: With all the new superheroes we have and pushing women, why are you not dressed up as a bigger one?
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SPEAKER_06: Well, I actually chose a world or Shuri or Ray from Star Wars.
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SPEAKER_06: I chose to wear a sexy cat outfit.
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SPEAKER_06: Of all the things, all these fantasy characters and whatever you want to be, this is what I chose.
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SPEAKER_06: What does that say about your intention?
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SPEAKER_01: I wish there was a woman in the list and be beautiful.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I would think things along that line.
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SPEAKER_06: That's not beauty.
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SPEAKER_01: So you're not beautiful, you're not beautiful without that?
11:28
SPEAKER_06: No, no, hold on.
11:29
SPEAKER_06: Let me go back to the city.
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SPEAKER_06: You're not a super girl without the shit.
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SPEAKER_06: Let's say normally you get no attention when you go out.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: As a woman, right?
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SPEAKER_06: All year round.
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SPEAKER_06: So this year on Halloween, you decide to wear something where you decide to wear something where your titties and your butt is out, right?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Just know that when you do that, they're not, they're not, all attention you get is not because of you.
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SPEAKER_06: It's really because your titties and your butt out.
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SPEAKER_06: It's because of my costume.
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SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_06: It's clear, it's clear that you're using, you know, your physical features to get attention.
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SPEAKER_06: What does that say?
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SPEAKER_06: That you have to lower and degrade yourself in order to get attention?
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SPEAKER_01: If I don't look at it as lower and degrading myself, then I would just disagree with what you're saying.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like I'm degrading myself.
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SPEAKER_01: But she but normally she gets no attention.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I don't get to have my my best assets are hidden because it's not acceptable.
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SPEAKER_06: So if I was naked, I'd get more attention.
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SPEAKER_06: Most women, if they were naked, would get attention to be honest.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's fair.
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SPEAKER_01: No, you're absolutely correct.
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SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_06: That's what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_01: So really, really good looking ones.
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SPEAKER_06: This goes into a bigger topic, but I'm just making the point that, you know, if you have the option to be what you want on a certain day, why do you try why do you decide to take clothes off?
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SPEAKER_06: Versus, because that's what you really want to do.
12:34
SPEAKER_06: None of us are women.
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SPEAKER_06: But you don't want to be judged.
12:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm giving you my opinion.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Hey, no, no.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: I want to know a man's perspective.
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SPEAKER_01: So the woman that you've seen dressed quote unquote slutty, like, do you give her less or more attention?
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SPEAKER_01: Do you like like what do you do as a man?
12:47
SPEAKER_02: As a man, I'm beyond she gets more attention.
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SPEAKER_01: So then why would I why would I not dress that way then?
12:52
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
12:52
SPEAKER_01: Like if I'm a woman looking for attention, we all agree that men and women are both looking for attention when they dress.
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SPEAKER_02: The reason why they're not gonna do that on the regular, because society would judge on a regular.
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SPEAKER_01: But you're why are we shitting on the girls just doing a better job?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, you know what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, we're all looking for attention.
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SPEAKER_06: I just made the point that we're not we don't have the same uh intention behind what a kind of attention.
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SPEAKER_06: Okay, that's cheating, that's cheating, that's cheating, that's cheating.
13:16
SPEAKER_06: That's not cheating.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that is cheating.
13:17
SPEAKER_06: You just said you wanted to be Batman.
13:19
SPEAKER_03: I'm saying none of I'm saying like women that like that like go overboard and like go over the top at like dressing slutty and like getting out for attention, that like that's cheating right there.
13:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, obviously, you know, like come on, we all know sex sells.
13:35
SPEAKER_03: So exactly.
13:36
SPEAKER_03: So like so if I'm a woman and I got on some fucking red bottoms, well, I'm not even gonna say if I was a woman, but if there's a there's a woman, there's a woman she got on some red bottoms, she got on some some sexy jeans, she got some fashion over jeans on, and she got a sexy top on.
13:57
SPEAKER_03: And then there's another girl, and she looks good.
13:58
SPEAKER_03: She got her hair done and everything, nails done and everything.
14:01
SPEAKER_03: She looks good.
14:03
SPEAKER_03: And you got another girl though.
14:05
SPEAKER_03: She could be she could be average.
14:07
SPEAKER_03: She look she a little bit average than the other girl that that's bad.
14:10
SPEAKER_03: She an eight.
14:11
SPEAKER_03: This girl probably like a six, but she got on like the fucking fish nets.
14:17
SPEAKER_03: That six is gonna get more attention.
14:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that six is gonna get more attention because she's showing out more attention.
14:21
SPEAKER_03: You know why I'm coming down?
14:22
SPEAKER_02: Nigga's gonna look at it like this.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: She's already half her villain, she's showing more.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: It's probably an easier kill because she's comfortable.
14:29
SPEAKER_02: So I'm blaming the men.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: Boom.
14:31
SPEAKER_06: Right there is what the point I was getting to.
14:33
SPEAKER_06: The fact that you're looking and saying, well, she's showing something, which means she has an intention behind it.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like she's trying to all sexy Halloween.
14:40
SPEAKER_06: They're like, they're looking for that attention, and maybe certain in certain cases, something more than just attention.
14:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
14:45
SPEAKER_06: You know what I'm saying?
14:45
SPEAKER_02: On a regular day, being judged.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they look like if they come out in that fishnet shit, it's gonna be like, Alright, what are you doing?
14:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, you feel me?
14:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm wearing a costume.
14:54
SPEAKER_02: No, no, I'm saying on a regular day.
14:57
SPEAKER_02: But let's say it's a regular day and it's not like Halloween, and they come out in that outfit, they're gonna stand out because nobody's really gonna have a costume on, and people are gonna more like look like, alright, that's a little.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you get what I'm saying?
15:08
SPEAKER_02: But because you're allowed to wear still gonna try to fucking fewer.
15:12
SPEAKER_03: That's not that's not necessarily.
15:14
SPEAKER_03: But that's not true.
15:15
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know what?
15:16
SPEAKER_03: No, no, AG's is judged.
15:17
SPEAKER_03: AG's, yeah, yeah, right.
15:19
SPEAKER_03: You gotta blame the niggas because that's not necessary, right?
15:21
SPEAKER_03: All the time.
15:22
SPEAKER_03: As a woman, it it's not maybe this could be the only time that I can come out with fish nets on and I want to do it.
15:27
SPEAKER_03: And yeah, and and at the end of the day, it's like it's all about who that person is and what that person's intention is.
15:34
SPEAKER_03: Like an after-school program right now.
15:35
SPEAKER_03: Let's be honest, bro.
15:36
SPEAKER_03: Chill, no, it is you can't necessarily just blame the next one.
15:40
SPEAKER_03: I hear what you're saying, but nah, not gonna do that.
15:42
SPEAKER_03: Watch them out.
15:43
SPEAKER_03: You gotta you just gotta blame the people because sometimes, like, yeah, we've taken enough L's for what other people do as men.
15:49
SPEAKER_03: You feel me?
15:50
SPEAKER_03: Like, that's like a big thing.
15:53
SPEAKER_06: But if you're gonna blame the women, if you're gonna blame the women, you gotta blame the men.
15:55
SPEAKER_06: I'm not blaming women.
15:56
SPEAKER_06: What I'm saying is bring balance blame.
15:57
SPEAKER_06: So who do we blame God for?
15:58
SPEAKER_06: One of the first first of all, it's individuals.
16:00
SPEAKER_06: So I don't want to hear all men that kind of be used.
16:02
SPEAKER_06: Women like to do that.
16:02
SPEAKER_06: Don't put all of us into one category.
16:04
SPEAKER_06: Saying we can't put all women into one category.
16:06
SPEAKER_06: That's the majority.
16:07
SPEAKER_06: Right.
16:07
SPEAKER_06: But anyway, my point is simply this.
16:09
SPEAKER_06: Listen, when you go out like that, you're going to get attention from certain men.
16:13
SPEAKER_06: There's five of us in this room.
16:14
SPEAKER_06: All five of us could see a woman walk by and something wild and be like, you know what?
16:16
SPEAKER_06: I ain't gonna try her.
16:18
SPEAKER_06: She's gonna walk a couple more blocks.
16:19
SPEAKER_06: Some dude will try her.
16:20
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
16:20
SPEAKER_06: You get what I'm saying?
16:21
SPEAKER_06: We're not a monolith.
16:22
SPEAKER_06: Right, we're not a monolith.
16:23
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
16:23
SPEAKER_06: So when we sit here, we make it seem like, oh, it's men's fault.
16:26
SPEAKER_06: How is it men's fault?
16:27
SPEAKER_06: Men are not, not all men are doing what you're saying they're doing or what you think they're doing.
16:30
SPEAKER_06: But the majority of men.
16:31
SPEAKER_02: But how do you know that?
16:33
SPEAKER_06: Because I'm not sorry.
16:34
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'll be outside.
16:36
SPEAKER_06: You be you be you be you'll be in high.
16:40
SPEAKER_06: Now, what I'm showing you too is that a man's only weakness to me is that we have no control of our sexuality.
16:46
SPEAKER_06: We go too hard at whatever we're doing.
16:47
SPEAKER_06: Have you seen the extents men have gone to to get a nut?
16:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, absolutely.
16:50
SPEAKER_06: To get with a girl, like niggas will lie, create an entire world for her.
16:53
SPEAKER_06: Oh no, absolutely.
16:53
SPEAKER_06: As soon as he gets a nut, like, yo, it was a whole it was all a fairy tale.
16:56
SPEAKER_06: Like, this is the stuff we do.
16:57
SPEAKER_02: You're definitely right.
16:57
SPEAKER_06: That's our weakness.
16:58
SPEAKER_06: Like you said, sex sells.
16:59
SPEAKER_06: But this is my thing.
17:02
SPEAKER_01: But this is why I think.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: She has a following of women that do not know.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she has a reality show.
17:09
SPEAKER_06: She does.
17:09
SPEAKER_06: Because they live vicariously through her.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: So sex sells for women as well.
17:13
SPEAKER_06: Yo, they do everything but the sex part though.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: That's fine, but they definitely sell.
17:17
SPEAKER_06: But how did she get on?
17:18
SPEAKER_06: And it's easy as well with a man and who knew about her?
17:22
SPEAKER_01: The the black people.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: From who?
17:24
SPEAKER_06: Nah, nah, nah.
17:24
SPEAKER_06: No, no.
17:24
SPEAKER_06: Who did she date?
17:25
SPEAKER_06: Ray J.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: Ray J.
17:26
SPEAKER_06: Right.
17:27
SPEAKER_06: He had a lot of.
17:27
SPEAKER_06: Who knew about that?
17:28
SPEAKER_01: Like the consumer, uh, Smith.
17:30
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, no.
17:30
SPEAKER_06: Before who she dated after that, my bad.
17:32
SPEAKER_06: Football player.
17:33
SPEAKER_06: Reggie Bush.
17:34
SPEAKER_06: Reggie Bush.
17:35
SPEAKER_06: We saw him, we saw her on his arm.
17:37
SPEAKER_06: We was like, oh, that's Kim Kardashian.
17:38
SPEAKER_06: She did the sex tape with um what you call it.
17:40
SPEAKER_06: She for dangled that into a whole bunch of other relationships, lead him to Kanye.
17:43
SPEAKER_06: Now people know about her, and women for some reason live vicariously through slugs.
17:47
SPEAKER_06: That's why they like Cardi B, all these things, right?
17:48
SPEAKER_06: And I'm not blaming women for that.
17:50
SPEAKER_06: What I'm saying is she was sold to us as what sexy.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:55
SPEAKER_06: And that's our that's men's weakness.
17:57
SPEAKER_06: So when we sit here and we make it like okay for women to sell sex on a on one day and make us seem like monsters for falling for the same thing we've been falling for for the since the beginning of time, it's irresponsible.
18:08
SPEAKER_06: Especially when we know for a fact that's the weakness.
18:11
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
18:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you this is why I say you can't blame men because it's like I'm not trying to be I'm trying to bring balance.
18:17
SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay, okay.
18:18
SPEAKER_06: I was about to say, yeah, it's 50-50.
18:19
SPEAKER_06: That's what I'm saying.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: So listen, they know what they're doing, and we know what we're doing.
18:25
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like as long as we both can agree we know what we're doing, you can't sit here and be like, yo, it's your fault.
18:28
SPEAKER_06: No, it's your fault.
18:30
SPEAKER_06: Everybody's a blame.
18:30
SPEAKER_06: Listen, when I go on Halloween, I know women are gonna wear certain clothing.
18:33
SPEAKER_06: That's why I'll I'll look, and that's it.
18:36
SPEAKER_06: There's gonna be another one that walks by that looks that good, if not better.
18:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
18:39
SPEAKER_06: Period.
18:40
unknown: Okay.
18:40
SPEAKER_06: Oh, that's bullshit.
18:41
SPEAKER_06: But we're not gonna blame women for that.
18:42
SPEAKER_06: Tell me.
18:43
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna tell you why.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Who you blame?
18:45
SPEAKER_00: Hold on, who you blame?
18:47
SPEAKER_00: Well the reason why.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: So you are to blame.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hell yeah.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: Just like how I blame women for how like I carry myself.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: I get a haircut very often, not for myself.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't give a fuck.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: But I know women.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, not that I don't want to hair.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: You want to look nice.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: Of course you want to look nice.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: But there's times I'll let my shit to me a little because I don't give a fuck.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
19:10
SPEAKER_00: I dress a certain way.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I like looking nice, but why do I dress this way?
19:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can look good in gap.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: JC Penny shirt.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, why do I exactly?
19:19
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think that's a good one?
19:20
SPEAKER_00: You can look nice in Avenger T-shirt.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: But because I go places and the niggas that get the looks be the niggas that's making the most money on themselves or like by the strippy.
19:29
SPEAKER_01: Why do they just pop blame women for that?
19:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I blame women for that.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: Does society at large blame women for that?
19:34
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: Of course not.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: That's why we balance.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: I think that's his um.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: No, I I get what you're saying about the balance, but it's not it's not my fault why I do what I do most of the time.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: If I'm looking for attention of the opposite sex, obviously.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: So like I said, with the haircut and shit, if the only if the majority of the main reason behind why I'm getting a haircut, I care about looking so nice, is because of women, you have to put blame on the women.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: You say you won't blame on the men though.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm talking about as far as like attention.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: So the way I do certain shit for what yeah, I would say for attention, because you want people to see you if you're like, if you're leveling up in life, you don't want to be maybe people do want to be behind closed doors with that shit, but if I when I level up in life, I'm gonna put that shit on in your face.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: Not on some like brag and shit, but I need people to acknowledge my hard work.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: But do you ever wonder if that's uh uh um like a trait of because we're black, really and truly?
20:34
SPEAKER_02: Because if you really think about it, look at like the guy that made women and men in general, though.
20:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but look at the guy that made my space.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: Let's the dude Tom.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: You don't hear nothing about him, you don't see nothing about him, but you know he got a shit ton of money, but he's not putting it out there.
20:48
SPEAKER_02: You get what I'm saying?
20:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: So is it just because of us as like who we are?
20:52
SPEAKER_06: If we're still on the subject of slutty women and whatnot, then it's all women who do that.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: He's saying he's saying like if he made it big, he would put it out there.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I'll just uh no, as far as the telling.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: So like I'm saying, like a for women, I could like relate what I what I get attention for to what women get attention for, that's why they dress a little bit slutty.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because that's the thing.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: I think your uh argument is actually very good, but it's suited for an another subject.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: So just hold on to it.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: I want to stay on this battle of the sexes thing just for a little bit longer.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: Cause I think that ultimately men are losing the battle of the sexes in this last ten to twenty years because of like social media and like look at I think Halloween is probably one of the biggest social media holidays.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: Because I think Halloween is the uh one of the biggest social media holidays.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: Let me just show you a contradiction.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: No, it is, because it's not.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: Not really, because if you think about it, the reason why the reason why Friends Giving really started is because of like everybody want to be so acquainted with like the social media friends and all that shit and post that and all that shit.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: And technically Halloween isn't the only holiday you get dressed and go out and drink.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Of course not.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: So like social media wise.
22:06
SPEAKER_03: I seen so many people, they throwing throwback Thursdays of their Halloween pictures from like 2014 all the way coming to right now.
22:15
SPEAKER_03: So that's like they going crazy.
22:17
SPEAKER_03: But think about it.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: If you go to like a uh what is it called?
22:19
SPEAKER_00: Santa Con or whatever, yeah.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: If if if I put if I participated in one and then the next one came around, I still throw up a uh TBT to that too.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: So But Halloween, but the reason why I can see about Santa Conference.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: The reason why I can see I can't wait.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: So for sure it doesn't pull up.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: Or if I'm if I'm like in shape, if I'm if I'm super in shape, like my friend Godfrey here, I will show up like a little bit more of a sexier Santa.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's not it's not gonna do something.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: That's not Santa.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: But that's not saying that.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you this much.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you this much.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you this much.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: If you see a fat, uh sexy cat woman, she's still not catwoman?
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Because she's she's not sexy.
23:01
SPEAKER_06: Nah.
23:02
SPEAKER_06: But she's not a sexy cat woman, she's just a cat woman.
23:05
SPEAKER_06: She's not my type of sexy cat woman.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Because you're saying if Santa with his chest and arms out is not a Santa.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: It's not.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: I was not Santa.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: No, no.
23:17
SPEAKER_06: He's not a child appropriate Santa.
23:19
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
23:19
SPEAKER_06: Alright, no, let me say something real quick.
23:20
SPEAKER_06: Remember, Halloween used to be for kids.
23:22
SPEAKER_06: I just want you to know.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: That's the point I'm gonna do.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: So that's the crazy part.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: Sure, of course.
23:27
SPEAKER_06: But when you were a kid, you you dressed up as a superhero.
23:29
SPEAKER_06: Oh, that's cool, that's what's up.
23:31
SPEAKER_06: Kit Lil Girls was little princesses or whatever they were, they might have been a superhero too.
23:34
SPEAKER_06: When you get older, men are still dressing up as superheroes.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: Women are dressing up as cats.
23:38
SPEAKER_06: What is that?
23:39
SPEAKER_06: Why?
23:39
SPEAKER_02: And a super nurses with no bottoms.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: Because man, you know, but men, uh, majority of men pick dumbass costumes.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: Like funny, goofy shit.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Why is that?
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Naruto's a nigga.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: We just narrow.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: I've seen a lot of Naruto cross there.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: But you know, you know, you know, you know what's crazy though.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Come on, that type of shit is stupid.
24:02
SPEAKER_02: I see the nigga at the T-Rex that had the um the nigga riding on top of the T-Rex.
24:07
SPEAKER_02: I see stupid shit like that.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Is there a sexy man costume?
24:09
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, you do a fireman and shit.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: I didn't see any sexy men.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: So nobody no man was trying to be sexy.
24:15
SPEAKER_03: But that's what I'm saying, but you don't know what this guy was, but he maybe I know he what it was.
24:20
SPEAKER_03: He had all pink, he had on all pink, and he had like a uh You trying to be a pimp named Slickback?
24:25
SPEAKER_03: Like uh an emerald medallion.
24:27
SPEAKER_03: You trying to be a pimp named Slipback.
24:28
SPEAKER_03: Well, maybe that's what he was.
24:30
SPEAKER_03: But I guess I guess you can call it uh him going for being like like a sexy uh male costume.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: Yo, that was one.
24:39
SPEAKER_03: Well I'm pretty sure there was a lot more.
24:41
SPEAKER_03: If you want to be yo, listen.
24:42
SPEAKER_03: I mean like a.
24:44
SPEAKER_03: What would you call a sexy male costume?
24:45
SPEAKER_03: Because like a cop with no shape.
24:47
SPEAKER_03: Every Halloween, every Halloween, I just dress up.
24:49
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
24:50
SPEAKER_03: But it's a thing, like that's a thing like yo, like I didn't have to wear shoes.
24:54
SPEAKER_03: I wore shoes.
24:55
SPEAKER_02: If you think about if you think about what they would consider a sexy man cop a male, a sexy male costume, it would have to be like what's in these strip clubs?
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Either a brawly person that's a firefighter, a brother person that's a cop with no undershirt.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: But that has to be never really a costume, is that just the dude like showing off the if I got the fireman pants on?
25:16
SPEAKER_02: That's what they're holding on.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: You gotta think about fireman pants with just the um the suspenders with no shorts.
25:23
SPEAKER_06: The cop uh uniforms with the shorts.
25:25
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, why is it that they they dress up as a cop and a firefighter?
25:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
25:31
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna bring something to the city.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what's about to be a little bit more.
25:41
SPEAKER_03: Oh, fuck you, nigga.
25:41
SPEAKER_03: I just go.
25:49
SPEAKER_03: You think about the costumes that they wear.
25:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:52
SPEAKER_03: It's like a say um like a uh a superhero costume or anything like that.
25:56
SPEAKER_03: As guys grow up and stuff like that, like their costumes don't really change.
26:00
SPEAKER_03: Like as women, as women, like as women, like if you think of as a little girl, like they're not wearing like sexy costumes.
26:07
SPEAKER_03: But if you think about it, they're gonna be like, wearing like the regular costumes, they don't change like a fairy or whatever.
26:11
SPEAKER_03: No, they don't change.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: As they get older, it gets more available.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: No, if you so I'm gonna put it like this.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna show you how it doesn't change, right?
26:20
SPEAKER_02: When girls are younger, there's still gonna be cops, nurses, bunnies, um, Easter bunnies, fairies, all that.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: They'll be superheroes, right?
26:27
SPEAKER_02: They'll just probably have like a longer skirt.
26:29
SPEAKER_02: Now they'll still be nurses, but they don't have a skirt.
26:31
SPEAKER_02: They just had the one piece, the bodysuit.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: But it's still the same cops.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: I got two pieces.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: They just lost options.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: They lost accessories.
26:38
SPEAKER_06: Comic-con.
26:39
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
26:40
SPEAKER_06: Grown men go there, full cosplay.
26:42
SPEAKER_06: Women do too.
26:43
SPEAKER_06: They go there for the purpose of dressing up as their favorite character, right?
26:45
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
26:46
SPEAKER_06: The girls you see out here wearing study outfits, they don't go to Comic-Con.
26:49
SPEAKER_06: That's something you can go in.
26:50
SPEAKER_06: Halloween is a Comic-Con.
26:51
SPEAKER_06: It's not the same thing.
26:52
SPEAKER_06: Nah, it's not the same thing.
26:53
SPEAKER_06: Comic Con's about fandom.
26:54
SPEAKER_06: Like, I'm a fan of this.
26:55
SPEAKER_06: Like, yeah.
26:55
SPEAKER_06: Men go there.
26:56
SPEAKER_06: I would I really want to go.
26:58
SPEAKER_06: You think half these women's hearing Ray Kage, right?
27:00
SPEAKER_06: It doesn't matter.
27:01
SPEAKER_06: It doesn't have to be a few.
27:02
SPEAKER_06: The character from Naruto.
27:03
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
27:03
SPEAKER_06: Because of like, uh in a fantasy world, that's the character you'd want to be like.
27:07
SPEAKER_06: On Halloween, women choose to dress a certain way because that's what they really want to be like deep down.
27:11
SPEAKER_06: That's why they live vicariously through certain um celebrities.
27:14
SPEAKER_06: My point is.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: By the way, I want you to know a lot of girls going to nursing.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: A lot of girls go into nursing hoping to snag a doctor, just so you know.
27:25
SPEAKER_06: That's the attention behind one of those jobs, by the way.
27:28
SPEAKER_06: Or at least a side quest, put it that way.
27:30
SPEAKER_06: But that's what I'm saying.
27:30
SPEAKER_02: So you're trying to tell me, oh, these women for hollering porno.
27:34
SPEAKER_06: But based on what we're seeing, like if you have the opportunity to dress up and be anything you want, you decide to wear something revealing and tell something about your intention.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: So, but I don't say that because if you think about it, I did Mike Jones because everybody always told me I look like Mike Jones.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: I didn't do it for attention.
27:49
SPEAKER_06: I just didn't have much and I was like, the male, you were you're a male though, you know what I mean?
27:52
SPEAKER_06: So that's a different mentality.
27:53
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
27:54
SPEAKER_06: Alright, so um, question for two though.
27:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
27:56
SPEAKER_06: I had a question for you.
27:57
SPEAKER_06: So you're uh artist, hip-hop artist, right?
27:59
SPEAKER_06: So in your music videos, you have the opportunity to create this world that goes with the song.
28:04
SPEAKER_06: What is what are like three things that you definitely want to show?
28:07
SPEAKER_00: Money, cash, hold.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pretty much.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: What's your intention behind that?
28:11
SPEAKER_00: What's with small success, flexing on your own?
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, you know, how lifestyle, uh, a wonderful lifestyle.
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Is it a wonderful?
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Who's the sucker part?
28:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a wonderful lifestyle.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be a good transition.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: But that's big.
28:22
SPEAKER_06: And then you have alright, so now you have like Cardi B, right?
28:25
SPEAKER_06: What does she put in her videos?
28:26
SPEAKER_06: And all these, how about you?
28:29
SPEAKER_06: All the most successful female rap artists.
28:31
SPEAKER_06: What do they sell to you within?
28:32
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
28:34
SPEAKER_06: Boom.
28:35
SPEAKER_06: And uh Rap City, by the way.
28:36
SPEAKER_06: Please go listen to that.
28:37
SPEAKER_06: I mean, she's a big she's the best female rap.
28:39
SPEAKER_06: No, but see, also the audience, the audience has changed.
28:42
SPEAKER_06: The audience has changed.
28:43
SPEAKER_06: Like now, but it's been like that since um since Lil Kim came in.
28:46
SPEAKER_06: But you just have different variations of Lil' Kim right now.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a that's a fact.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: That's a fact.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm showing you.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, who was first?
28:52
SPEAKER_02: Lil' Kim or Foxy Brown?
28:53
SPEAKER_00: Who was first?
28:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm saying around the same time.
28:56
SPEAKER_03: Lil Kim.
28:57
SPEAKER_03: Lil' Kim.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: No, I think Foxy was first.
28:59
SPEAKER_03: Foxy, when Foxy started coming out, first was like late 90s.
29:04
SPEAKER_03: If you think about Foxy, you used to be on some sex too.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: Like late, late 80s.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: So you got to think about she what are we having new generation at Lil Kim or new generations of Foxy?
29:14
SPEAKER_01: Nah, it's Lil Kim, because Lil Kim did the fucking squat pose with the lollipop.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: And that was it, then that was it.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: That's all we needed to see.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: But is that really women's fault?
29:23
SPEAKER_00: That's the same thing.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: What?
29:25
SPEAKER_00: Come on, come on, come on.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: You gonna blame a nigga because she won't tell me she could get all her knees on this?
29:30
SPEAKER_00: I never was in that like circle, so I don't know what the conversations were like.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: But if you ask Little Kim or Chuck in an interview, she said Biggie wanted to do that.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no though.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about Come on.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: These are you could my bad.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: Nah, I got it.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: I get why would you say no because it's uh probably against your morals and shit.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: But you telling me all I gotta do is rap about this shit so I can get the fuck about the hood, I'ma just do that.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: Alright, that's your problem.
29:56
SPEAKER_06: I'm not like that.
29:57
SPEAKER_06: No, I see what you're saying.
29:58
SPEAKER_06: Integrity matters, and like it's a difference.
30:00
SPEAKER_06: So what women is they have integrity that is like based on their physical too.
30:04
SPEAKER_06: So I I've always respected women who who, regardless of what's going on around them, say, I'm not gonna show my body for attention.
30:09
SPEAKER_06: The right dude is gonna see me and he's gonna, you know, warm me.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: Please introduce me to those guys.
30:14
SPEAKER_06: That's just how I'm out here.
30:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no, even if you're gonna be able to do it.
30:16
SPEAKER_06: When you go on Halloween, just know you can't.
30:17
SPEAKER_06: But do we blame her?
30:18
SPEAKER_06: That's what they don't blame.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm not blaming her.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: I think this is a good uh way time to transition because Kanye West has recently dropped an album called Jesus is King.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it really came out.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: Um he had to remove a lot of verses from the black.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: There's like rappers like my guy Young Doug, he like made a joke on Twitter like, oh, Kanye removed my verse, like is it still gonna be on there?
30:40
SPEAKER_01: Because he's really approaching hip-hop in a very this is a demonic music.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: And he he's taken hip-hop at large and looked at it like he he he was shitting on Meek Mills subliminally, like, how you gonna push police reform, but your music is telling me how to get locked up.
31:01
SPEAKER_01: Like your music is telling me what to do to go to jail.
31:04
SPEAKER_01: Now you lost me.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: And this is this is very polarizing shit.
31:07
SPEAKER_01: Just because of his mind, brother, I'm probably nose, man.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: So, but Kanye has been making like the last hit that he's had before I don't know if there's gonna be any hits off of Jesus King, because the type of music it is, it's not for mainstream uh hip hop.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: But his last hit was I'm a sick fuck.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: I like a quick fuck.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: So a lot of people are like, how can you judge anybody if that was your last body of work that you presented to us?
31:35
SPEAKER_01: Kim Kardashian is your wife.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: How can you judge anybody if this is who you chose to shack up with for the rest of your life?
31:42
SPEAKER_01: But then again, I just give Kanye some bail.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: He recently in one of the Kardashian shows, he straight up told Kim, like, yo, I don't this the way you dress, the way you carry yourself, this can't work anymore with my new lifestyle.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: She told him, well, that's just a nick, nigga.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: Your personal journey, Kanye.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm on my own journey, and I don't have to subscribe to the things that you uh subscribe to.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: So as hip hop fanatics that we all are in the room, I'm just speaking for y'all.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: And people that want to be in the industry, I'm just speaking for y'all.
32:09
SPEAKER_01: How do y'all feel about Kanye attacking hip hop?
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Fuck him as a whole.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: He has no right to fucking say shit.
32:17
SPEAKER_03: Fuck him.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: That's it, that's that's it.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's that's pretty surface.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: Easy.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:23
SPEAKER_02: You ain't got no easy in Serato.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: I was just waiting to hear.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Fuck him.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: I was waiting to hear everything.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: I think Kanye has the most invested interest.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: So I really give him the just to just to uh go back to the whole Meek point where he was saying the shit about uh He didn't say Meek's name, but he was clearly talking about prisoners.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: Prison reform and still rapping about things that could like get somebody locked up.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, at the end of the day, that's a story that he's um that he's trying to tell for somebody that's in that situation still.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: So even though I stand behind something as as far as prison reform, doesn't mean that that the the kid in the inner cities that's still dealing with these issues, his I shouldn't keep telling his story because it kind of goes against.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: No.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: Still putting Draco's on the plane, nigga, it's not no problem.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: That's for my save.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: That's not a good thing.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: That's for my save.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: That's not an inner case.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: That's for Sid's life.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, because I'm also I'm also telling you my life.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: So in my first verse, if I'm saying how me and my team have to move militant because there's people out here that that hate on niggas that's getting some money, but then also in my second verse, I'm telling you how I used to be in your situation with probably a few tweaks because the you know the shit got a mom sound good.
33:33
SPEAKER_00: So like I still I'm still telling you my story.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm still speaking about that kid, and I'm still telling you about my life.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: I still gotta carry these guns.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: That's probably most likely legal guns because I have the money for it.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: But he doesn't say that part, though.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: But hey, you you kid, yeah, because come on, put that fit that in a bar.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: Nah, you probably could.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: You probably could.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: You still putting these license Draco's on the plate, niggas won't work.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: Nah, you're talking about dirty, man.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: That's part of my illness.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: But also, I gotta empty sale.
34:00
SPEAKER_07: I can get I can get my guns.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: I can get my guns clean.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: You as a as a kid in the in the in the hood, I don't know where to get a gun clean, besides like a gun store.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: But if I need a gun tomorrow, nigga, I gotta go get an illegal gun.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: Because me low says so.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Nah, that's not that's not.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: That's not because he says so.
34:16
SPEAKER_02: He's telling me something protected his life.
34:19
SPEAKER_02: It's just what's more easier for me to access.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: So Kanye's full of shit is what y'all saying.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: I think Kanye's full of shit because my thing.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: He has a point, but he doesn't have the right to judge.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Wait, why not?
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Because you don't have a clean slate either, bro.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: Nobody has a clean slate.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: That's the point.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: So why are we judging each other?
34:35
SPEAKER_01: No, but it's not judgment.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: It's like facts.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: Like I don't know what you're saying.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: No, but that's what he's saying is true.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: It could be true.
34:41
SPEAKER_02: Alright, that's like me saying, yo, your hair looks nappy.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
34:45
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: Right?
34:46
SPEAKER_02: And your hair really do look nappy.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: It's a fact, but I'm judging you.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: Because for me saying that, that sound that could be to you taking me as me criticizing you, me, you know, hating on you.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but if you're telling you the truth, I can't be upset.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: Because you don't see your hair is nappy, obviously.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: Yo.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: In this argument, just for this argument.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: Just for this argument, we're gonna pretend that my hair is nappy.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but if you telling me that and it's the truth, I cannot be upset at the truth.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: But why does he why does he have to tell you that?
35:18
SPEAKER_00: Because he's Nah, if he wasn't in front, if he was like a stranger over shit.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, it doesn't matter why he's telling me, it doesn't remove the fact that it's the truth.
35:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what Kanye's motive is, but it's the truth.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: It can be the truth.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: But he doesn't have he doesn't have the right to judge.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: I don't understand.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't have the right he doesn't have the right to step up and say that.
35:37
SPEAKER_02: Put it in his music too.
35:39
SPEAKER_02: Nah, he said this in an interview.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
35:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
35:42
SPEAKER_02: Like I said, you don't have the right because if you really think about it, bro.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: I think y'all butthurt, man.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: Nah, it's not it's not nothing about being butthurt.
35:49
SPEAKER_02: It's like if I make a song and I really say, yo, I used to sell drugs or whatever the case may be, like, okay, Jay-Z.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Why he ain't judge Jay-Z.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: I'll talk about Jay.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Jay-Z told niggas how to smuggle Coke on the plane.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
36:01
SPEAKER_02: When he's like, oh, you put the shit in the court.
36:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but why but why is it that you're targeting him when Jay-Z doing the same shit now?
36:08
SPEAKER_02: No, he just happened to stumble upon the prison reform.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Nah, I think you're just trying to pick somebody that's that's not either above you that could demolish your career, bro.
36:16
SPEAKER_02: He never said, bro.
36:18
SPEAKER_02: But who but who else is there?
36:19
SPEAKER_02: A lot of rappers rap like that.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but who else is doing prison reform and rapping about that?
36:26
SPEAKER_02: Jay-Z is still out here rapping like that?
36:28
SPEAKER_02: That frequently.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: But he never said we still rapping.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: Jay-Z's absolutely making coke bars and shit like that.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: I listen to Jay Z.
36:35
SPEAKER_01: He's also part of the prison reform shit too.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: We've been talking about Jay?
36:38
SPEAKER_02: But how much out there is Jay-Z doing it right now.
36:42
SPEAKER_02: Why does that mean that's what I'm saying?
36:44
SPEAKER_01: That's how I determine who you're talking about.
36:46
SPEAKER_01: No, that's bullshit.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, don't let don't leave a gray area.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: To me, he's talking about hip hop at large.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: It just has to be a good thing.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: Don't leave a gray area.
36:52
SPEAKER_01: Because if you move the prison reform to, hey, why are you rapping about uh cooking up dope in a crock pot, but then you're gonna tell other niggas that, oh nah, what you're supposed to do is stay in school.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna donate$10,000 to your college.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: The two things don't matter.
37:04
SPEAKER_06: You're talking about uplifting women and black women, but you still got girls twerk twerking in your videos.
37:08
SPEAKER_06: He easily said that, and that's every rap episode.
37:10
SPEAKER_06: Now, if you would have said that, that's a more general statement.
37:13
SPEAKER_06: You get what I'm saying?
37:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, something like that would have been better because you're making a general statement.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: But James is like narrowing it down to a selective two that we could pinpoint and say it's me.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: But the point is bigger than just prim prison reform.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: His point is that hip hop music is detrimental.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: And I can't remember how to do it.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: That's irrelevant.
37:37
SPEAKER_06: Nigga, kill for easy these days.
37:40
SPEAKER_06: We've already talked about this many times that hip hop in and of itself is very dangerous.
37:45
SPEAKER_06: As a culture, as a culture, as a music genre is phenomenal as long as you can separate it from the culture as a way of life.
37:52
SPEAKER_06: Unfortunately for us as black people, we've turned it into our culture because we don't know our true culture.
37:56
SPEAKER_06: So we live it and we rap and listen to it all the time.
37:59
SPEAKER_06: You know what I'm saying?
38:00
SPEAKER_06: Like the idea that you can have all these women that you're sleeping with, uh people actually do that, and now we have a bunch of children who are not being raised properly because of that.
38:08
SPEAKER_06: So it becomes an actual lifestyle.
38:09
SPEAKER_06: It becomes an actual lifestyle.
38:10
SPEAKER_06: So white kids and other race white kids can listen to it.
38:12
SPEAKER_06: They enjoy it as a genre of music, they live it out for a certain stage of life, but they don't go as far as living it out to the end of their lives.
38:19
SPEAKER_06: Separate it from their real lives.
38:20
SPEAKER_02: No, they don't, because if you think about it, look at the way Eminem used to rap, right?
38:23
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, listen to listen to me.
38:25
SPEAKER_02: Look how Eminem used to rap about killing, killing your mother, this and third.
38:28
SPEAKER_03: Has he done any of those things?
38:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, don't talk about Eminem like that, alright?
38:31
SPEAKER_03: But no, listen to how he used to rap.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: These white kids are still doing that just to this day.
38:36
SPEAKER_02: Nobody's raping their mom, bro.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Like, not raping your mom, but they'll walk around like not giving a fuck about their mother saying, yo, fuck you, mom, go in the house.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: Like, you get what I'm saying?
38:43
SPEAKER_06: Black men don't usually curse their mama.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: But that's what I'm saying.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: So how can you say just hip hop?
38:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, we listen to this type of shit, but we as a black man, yeah.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: As a black man, we don't disrespect our mothers like how they are, and they're looking up to Eminem and like these white rappers that's disrespecting their mothers.
38:57
SPEAKER_02: You get what I'm saying?
38:58
SPEAKER_02: So they are making hip-hop their culture too, but they're doing it in a different lay in a different aspect.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: I think Eminem is a poor example, though.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Because Eminem's um stardom was because of his lyrical ability and the fact that he was a white top five mother making lyrical rap music.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't think nobody wanted to be Eminem.
39:17
SPEAKER_01: People want to be future.
39:18
SPEAKER_01: People want to be Meet Mill.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: People want to be Gucci Man.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: People want to be these people.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: But what do you say people want to be Meet Meal?
39:25
SPEAKER_01: Like as well.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: Because he has the bikes to change the girls, the cars.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: That's not necessarily wanna be him because there's other people that have that.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: I just gave his other people too.
39:32
SPEAKER_02: But you don't want to be the lawyer.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: Does anybody want to be um Malcolm Martin Luther King?
39:37
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't hear that.
39:37
SPEAKER_01: The average dude does not want to want to say that.
39:39
SPEAKER_01: Nobody wants Martin Luther King.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what that comes with.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't want to know.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: What does that come with?
39:43
SPEAKER_00: I don't want die.
39:44
SPEAKER_00: Responsibility?
39:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about the like life.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: Nah, but you said Martin Luther King.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about the life, right?
39:56
SPEAKER_00: You're talking about like he got killed.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: Nah, I mean, like, I'm not talking about the life though.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about as far as like, you mean standing up for black people, like being that image from Martin Luther King?
40:06
SPEAKER_01: Like, if if you line up 10 black kids in this room right now and ask them yo, who you want to be like, it's gonna be a sports player or one of the rappers.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: And of course, if you ask them, of course, it's gonna be because they have money, cars, success, the lifestyle that everybody wants.
40:20
SPEAKER_01: Everybody wants to be a good thing.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: Which is pushed heavily in hip hop.
40:23
SPEAKER_02: There you go.
40:24
SPEAKER_02: But it's put it's not just pushed just in hip-hop.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: So let me ask you a question.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: If hip hop was about respecting your your um your wife, um no flashy jewelry, investing in property, making sure your family is safe, one woman at a time, well, one woman for the rest of your life, and you drive a Prius, would it be popular?
40:41
SPEAKER_01: No.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh, but hold on, hold on.
40:43
SPEAKER_06: This is why I don't know who Rap City is in the car.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: Just the rappers.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: What?
40:47
SPEAKER_01: Of a genre.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
40:49
SPEAKER_02: Don't rap about or don't make music about that shit.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: Name another thing.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: That's a good argument.
40:54
SPEAKER_06: Well, you care what other genre doesn't?
40:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
40:56
SPEAKER_06: Country music.
40:57
SPEAKER_06: That's a lot of things.
40:57
SPEAKER_06: That's a lot of.
40:58
SPEAKER_06: What?
40:59
SPEAKER_06: They don't talk about the same things that hip-hop does.
41:01
SPEAKER_06: They don't talk about killing that their actual own race.
41:03
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
41:03
SPEAKER_06: Who talks about that but us?
41:05
SPEAKER_02: But okay, just kill anyone.
41:07
SPEAKER_02: Just kill anyone.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: Killing's the only thing you can say that.
41:10
SPEAKER_06: They don't do that.
41:11
SPEAKER_06: Killing is four cars either.
41:15
unknown: Oh my.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Hold on, hold on.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: Country.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: Nah, nah.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: You can't speak all country music.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
41:22
SPEAKER_00: They talk about being a star.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: But they talk about being a drunk music.
41:28
SPEAKER_06: This is a song called Chicken Fry.
41:30
SPEAKER_06: This is all about patriotism and you know being American.
41:32
SPEAKER_06: Just want some simple chicken fry.
41:33
SPEAKER_06: Um, how's the lyrics go?
41:37
SPEAKER_06: Talking about drinking beer on a Friday night.
41:38
SPEAKER_06: Regular, regular American stuff.
41:40
SPEAKER_06: And that's one of the topics.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: That's regular American stuff.
41:43
SPEAKER_06: According to that culture, right?
41:44
SPEAKER_06: So Midwest.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: So why we can't they?
41:46
SPEAKER_00: You see how they got rules for their shit?
41:47
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean rules?
41:48
SPEAKER_00: You said so, like we said you get the pepper chicken.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that.
41:52
SPEAKER_00: My American culture is what these niggas is talking about.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: Drop a baby.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: Why?
41:57
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
42:00
SPEAKER_06: Hold on, hold on, hold on.
42:03
SPEAKER_06: Draco on the plane is your reality.
42:06
SPEAKER_06: What?
42:08
SPEAKER_02: If I'm to go anywhere and keep a Draco on the plane and not get stopped, bro.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: Is that even a running, bro?
42:13
SPEAKER_02: Not even.
42:14
SPEAKER_02: But not even.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: It's coming to life right now.
42:20
SPEAKER_00: So we can talk about this Draco on the plane shit.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: So think about it.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: Nipsey, Nipsey died, right?
42:26
SPEAKER_00: He got killed in front of his place of business.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna play this card.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: No, no, I'm just saying.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell you why.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell you why Draco was on the plane bringing guns because there's been a list of rappers that have been killed.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: Let me just say something without a weapon on them.
42:42
SPEAKER_06: You wanna know why?
42:42
SPEAKER_06: Why?
42:43
SPEAKER_06: Because he needs to separate himself from that gang lifestyle and do what he was doing, he would have been fine.
42:47
SPEAKER_06: But he was still trying to do, he was trying to have a he was trying to balance being hood and also doing greatness for his own.
42:51
SPEAKER_06: No, he wasn't because at the end of the day.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: No, because at the end of it, Nipsey was cutting the whole gang shit out.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: Alright, Sack Bundle.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: Bro, he was putting that shit to a bat burner.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: He wasn't.
43:05
SPEAKER_02: No, he wasn't.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: He was still great.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: What is neighborhood?
43:09
SPEAKER_02: Is that the nickname that I'm giving?
43:10
SPEAKER_02: How am I just gonna tell you about no combo?
43:12
SPEAKER_02: But how do you think that's the case?
43:13
SPEAKER_00: But my tea hood is like going back to the gang.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: I didn't say that.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: What did you say?
43:18
SPEAKER_06: He was doing good stuff, right?
43:19
SPEAKER_06: That stuff is great, but he was still playing the Crip side of it.
43:22
SPEAKER_06: And that's where that, that's where the energy comes from.
43:24
SPEAKER_06: You have to turn it on.
43:25
SPEAKER_06: And it goes back to Kanye because this is the thing.
43:27
SPEAKER_06: When you decide I'm gonna go from being this to this, you cannot straddle the fence.
43:30
SPEAKER_06: You gotta completely, completely dedicate yourself to changing.
43:33
SPEAKER_06: Or else the old stuff is gonna get you.
43:36
SPEAKER_06: That's why people in the world who love Kanye West are saying, saying, but you just said this though like last year.
43:41
SPEAKER_06: That's how it happens.
43:41
SPEAKER_06: You have to go back and say, I don't do any of that no more.
43:43
SPEAKER_06: Everything I did was wrong.
43:44
SPEAKER_06: Bro, listen.
43:45
SPEAKER_06: And then go to your new life.
43:46
SPEAKER_06: Unless you try to straddle a fence, one of them is gonna conflict.
43:49
SPEAKER_06: So Kanye never straddled the fence?
43:51
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying that's what that's the problem he's having right now.
43:54
SPEAKER_06: Is that he's he's changing, but his old life is not he has not renounced it and said, I don't do that, I was wrong for that.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: And therefore he can wait, we'll wait to judge anybody.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: We'll wait.
44:05
SPEAKER_03: We'll wait to say that that's a project.
44:07
SPEAKER_06: I believe he is changing.
44:08
SPEAKER_06: I don't.
44:08
SPEAKER_06: Hold on, I do believe he's changing.
44:10
SPEAKER_06: The problem is he did not sit down under someone to teach him how to go about this change right now.
44:13
SPEAKER_06: I don't think he's changing.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: But he said this.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: He straight up said, I'm at the point I am right now in my transition, I can't quote strip uh scripture.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: I haven't learned enough.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: Right.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: But that's not gonna stop me from And that's what Christians have a problem.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: Trying to specifically mean to understand that hip hop as it's current, like the way it exists right now, is detrimental to everybody.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: Listen social media.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: I wish I could be kind of like a shortcut.
44:36
SPEAKER_01: Y'all niggas ain't taking away big drip from the city.
44:38
SPEAKER_06: He needs to step away from how this is appear for like two years, study up, and know what he's talking about, and then reemerge.
44:45
SPEAKER_06: He's not gonna have the same, he's not gonna have the same hype line because they're not gonna want to hear that new message.
44:49
SPEAKER_06: But him actually exemplifying that I've stepped away from this side of the culture, now I can talk about it and say this is why it was wrong and this is why I stepped away.
44:56
SPEAKER_06: He's too close to it still in order for him to talk and you know.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Can I give you all my perspective just real fast?
45:00
SPEAKER_06: Go for it.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: I think that it's possible to just separate the two things.
45:05
SPEAKER_01: I love hip hop, but completely.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: The music is is is awful morally, but that shit slaps.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: Like it does.
45:13
SPEAKER_01: It's it's motivating, it teaches me things about life that I don't have to I don't have to go through putting Draco's on the plane because somebody else did that.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: So I don't have to do that myself.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, is he is he too?
45:25
SPEAKER_01: And realizing how hard it is because I didn't have to do it myself.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: What those Draco's for?
45:29
SPEAKER_01: But to protect yourself.
45:30
SPEAKER_01: He's he's not from Hoodos.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't have to be in a gang to put if I buy a gun for protection.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: I believe in that, yes.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: Have a gun for protection.
45:37
SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm not affiliated to any gang.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Who are those guns for?
45:41
SPEAKER_00: To protect me.
45:43
SPEAKER_06: Robbers.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: Tell me, not anybody.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: You know how many niggas get you.
45:49
SPEAKER_06: You know how many people are gonna do it.
45:50
SPEAKER_06: I believe that, but the thing is we're not talking about that in hip hop.
45:52
SPEAKER_06: We're just talking about blowing other niggas' brains out.
45:54
SPEAKER_06: Nigga, you robbers happening.
45:56
SPEAKER_06: This is what have been my problems.
45:57
SPEAKER_06: All right, that's true.
45:58
SPEAKER_06: But I think I just had one issue with gangsters.
46:01
SPEAKER_06: For all these guns y'all got, we only waste those bullets on ourselves.
46:03
SPEAKER_06: But okay, I've never heard of anyone, no black dude, spraying no crowd of white people.
46:08
SPEAKER_06: Never heard of them ever protecting people from being beat down by God.
46:11
SPEAKER_06: Godfrey.
46:11
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
46:12
SPEAKER_06: You see, I don't think that's fair.
46:12
SPEAKER_06: Hold on, hold on.
46:13
SPEAKER_01: So the Black Panther, the Black Panther Party did that.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: But they were not teaching, they were uplifting the neighborhood.
46:19
SPEAKER_01: The government said, Any black people that are gonna go around killing white people, the government made an example out of them.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: So if I'm a gang and I'm starting a gang and it's just to protect my neighborhood, and I why I paid attention to the Black Panthers, I can't say that we're gonna be anti-white.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: Because they're gonna the government's full force is gonna come.
46:33
SPEAKER_06: Alright, cool.
46:33
SPEAKER_06: I understand that.
46:34
SPEAKER_06: But the thing is, the difference with the uh Black Panther party is that they were building hospitals and schools.
46:38
SPEAKER_06: It was like we're trying to build another body.
46:39
SPEAKER_06: So they were Twitter on the fence.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: How are they on defense?
46:44
SPEAKER_01: If you're saying they were killing people, they were defending black people from police.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: They had their own white KKK, they had their own.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: They were defending black people.
46:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay, they were defending.
46:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right?
46:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
46:54
SPEAKER_02: And through that whole defending, were they actually committing acts of killing to people?
46:59
SPEAKER_01: I I can't speak on that a hundred percent, but I'm pretty sure if you're defending a neighborhood from the KKK, there had to be some somebody had to die.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, somebody had to die.
47:08
SPEAKER_02: That's understandable.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right?
47:10
SPEAKER_02: Of course it is.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: But if you're trying to help, like I understand you're defending yourself, but killing is always still a bad thing.
47:19
SPEAKER_02: Even in defense.
47:20
SPEAKER_02: No.
47:21
SPEAKER_02: I disagree.
47:21
SPEAKER_02: You get what I'm saying?
47:22
SPEAKER_02: Because if you really think about it.
47:25
SPEAKER_02: You say you disagree, but Godfrey said when Toon said he bring Draco on the plane to defend yourself.
47:31
SPEAKER_02: I never said that, y'all.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just saying.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: That was the ball that we were going back and forth, right?
47:36
SPEAKER_02: About bringing bringing Draco on the plane to defend yourself, right?
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Nah, he meek didn't say that.
47:42
SPEAKER_02: He didn't say to defend himself, but we're gonna assume that he said to defend yourself.
47:44
SPEAKER_00: First of all, let's all just understand that one this is music.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: So he probably doesn't even own a Draco.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
47:51
SPEAKER_01: But the black kid that's listening to this is like, hold on.
47:53
SPEAKER_01: He can't afford a Draco.
47:54
SPEAKER_01: I need to find one.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna find the closest thing to a Draco.
47:56
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be a Glock, and I'm gonna use this to assault the nigga on my block.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: Because we want some assault with it.
48:01
SPEAKER_05: Music is always a reflection of a culture, though.
48:03
SPEAKER_02: The only thing I'm going to say is Music is a reflection of a culture.
48:07
SPEAKER_02: Music does influence the culture.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: It influences you.
48:11
SPEAKER_02: I've had a couple of things.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm not my name.
48:13
SPEAKER_02: I'll be out.
48:14
SPEAKER_02: I'll listen to drill music and I'll be in my car, and I know for a fact if there's a gun sitting in my car, I'm going to jail.
48:19
SPEAKER_02: By the way, couldn't you?
48:20
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm shooting somebody.
48:21
SPEAKER_02: You don't think that's just look, I can't get a gun.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: Hold on, no.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, I could get a gun, but I'm not.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: Let's be serious.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: Alright, look.
48:30
SPEAKER_01: Remove the character that you're putting on.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: So you're telling me that if you're listening to a song and you're telling me as an adult male, that if there was a gun next to you, you would have gone to jail.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: That's not destructive.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: Because I was learning that shit right off.
48:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I'm not saying you're lying about it.
48:41
SPEAKER_01: But I agree with you.
48:42
SPEAKER_02: But that's not destructive that a song is making you feel that way?
48:46
SPEAKER_02: No, because how could you say that?
48:49
SPEAKER_02: How could you say, like, all right, so how I look at it is when I listen to certain music, yes, I do get into a character.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: But I also know the right thing about myself.
48:59
SPEAKER_02: You just literally told us the opposite.
49:00
SPEAKER_02: You said if there was a gun there.
49:02
SPEAKER_02: If I was in the streets and I had a gun, I could see why I would go around shooting.
49:07
SPEAKER_02: This is recorded.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: And if I had a gun, yes, I would have let it off.
49:10
SPEAKER_02: But I'm not, I'm not that ignorant to go sit there, go buy a gun and start shooting.
49:15
SPEAKER_02: No, the music does make niggas do that, but the big thing about it.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: You know me.
49:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna go out a gun, go buy a gun because it's like I feel like I gotta shoot somebody.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: You get what I'm saying?
49:24
SPEAKER_01: Let me give an example.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
49:26
SPEAKER_01: Can I give you an example?
49:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go ahead.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: There was a night that we were all out and we were listening to drill music 20 minutes prior to going out.
49:33
SPEAKER_01: And because of that music, you and your friend.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh shit, yeah.
49:36
SPEAKER_01: You and your friend got into something.
49:38
SPEAKER_01: So you don't think that's destructive?
49:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna tell you right now, music is spiritual fellows.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: I think I think it was more to be.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: So you blame them on the alcohol.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: So how many, how many people?
49:46
SPEAKER_01: Nah, that drill music honestly didn't do shit to me.
49:48
SPEAKER_01: But how didn't say you?
49:49
SPEAKER_01: I didn't mention you.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: It didn't do shit to me.
49:50
SPEAKER_01: So then I just felt like I just want to make this point.
49:55
SPEAKER_01: So the hundreds of times that we've been out drinking and we were playing calyps and dance hall music, I think we didn't want to fight your friend.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: But we also went back out after that and listened to drill music.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: That's the path of the music.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but if you really think about we went out and listened to drill music after that and didn't have anything.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: But I feel like the reason why that Pacific night got that escalated because the music that I was playing, people didn't like in the car, so they was already getting angry.
50:24
SPEAKER_02: And then the outcome.
50:30
SPEAKER_05: Where was drill music originated?
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Bro, bro, if you go, if you're mad and you start drinking, you're gonna get more angry.
50:37
SPEAKER_06: Where did drill music originate?
50:39
SPEAKER_06: Chicago.
50:40
SPEAKER_06: Chicago.
50:40
SPEAKER_06: What's going on in Chicago?
50:41
SPEAKER_06: What was going on in Chicago with that?
50:42
SPEAKER_06: Black on black vibe.
50:43
SPEAKER_06: A lot of it, right?
50:44
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
50:44
SPEAKER_00: We know why though.
50:45
SPEAKER_06: Where did NWA come from?
50:48
SPEAKER_06: What was going on there?
50:49
SPEAKER_06: What kind of music did they put out?
50:50
SPEAKER_06: Black on black vibe.
50:51
SPEAKER_06: Yo, the music is a big thing.
50:52
SPEAKER_06: Oh, not all of it.
50:53
SPEAKER_06: But now you know why you're not.
50:54
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
50:54
SPEAKER_03: What I'm saying is at the end of the day, it's like, and and what they was really trying to say is like what they was living and what they were going through, that was the type of shit.
51:03
SPEAKER_03: That was the type of shit that they was rapping about.
51:05
SPEAKER_03: How could you blame them?
51:06
SPEAKER_03: How could you blame them?
51:08
SPEAKER_06: I see what you're saying, but we're going on per parathetical data right now.
51:11
SPEAKER_06: Meaning, I see this and this is the result, versus me speaking for what I feel about what they might have been going on.
51:16
SPEAKER_06: I can't speak for that.
51:18
SPEAKER_01: And he's dead.
51:20
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
51:21
SPEAKER_06: That was not gang.
51:22
SPEAKER_06: No, I'm not saying that.
51:24
SPEAKER_01: Ice Crew wasn't a gangbanger.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: Dr.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: Dre's not a gangbanger.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: These dudes were just really good at making the music.
51:29
SPEAKER_01: The only person that lived that life for him was Easy E.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: So Easy E didn't even write his shit.
51:35
SPEAKER_06: He's still around.
51:36
SPEAKER_06: He was a valid.
51:37
SPEAKER_06: Like people knew they were real because of EZ.
51:38
SPEAKER_06: You're still around it.
51:39
SPEAKER_03: If you're around that environment, why can't I rap about it?
51:42
SPEAKER_06: You can rap about it, but just know that that's what's on the music.
51:45
SPEAKER_06: That's what the music promotes.
51:46
SPEAKER_06: That's what that's the source of the music.
51:49
SPEAKER_03: I'm pretty sure they understood that that they were putting it out of the city.
51:51
SPEAKER_06: But does that average person understand that?
51:53
SPEAKER_06: And why did they get rise to start them so fast with the help of industry?
51:56
SPEAKER_06: I'm on Toon Side.
51:56
SPEAKER_01: Unless it's like I don't blame hip-hop.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't blame hip-hop either.
51:59
SPEAKER_01: I blame parents.
52:01
SPEAKER_02: That's why I do that.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: I blame the hip.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: Why?
52:03
SPEAKER_01: I blame her that.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: Because my mother taught my mother taught me straight up to be a gentleman to which you go.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: So I could listen to these songs about fuck bitches fucking moms.
52:11
SPEAKER_02: But when it comes down to I'd speak to a woman, I don't sit there and be like, oh shit, bitch.
52:15
SPEAKER_02: Like, you get what I'm saying?
52:16
SPEAKER_02: I don't curse her out the way these music do because I have respect for my parents.
52:19
SPEAKER_02: I just my parents told me don't join a gang.
52:22
SPEAKER_02: They taught me why you shouldn't join a gang because of the vibes that comes behind it.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: So I can listen to a still not, you know what I mean?
52:28
SPEAKER_01: I came from a two-parent household and I almost was literally in that same lifestyle.
52:33
SPEAKER_01: Like it was just a decision, like a split decision that I made that did not lead me down.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: And what led you to that?
52:38
SPEAKER_01: What let me roll?
52:39
SPEAKER_01: My parents.
52:40
SPEAKER_01: My parents were like, I thought about my mother.
52:42
SPEAKER_01: That's I swear to God.
52:44
SPEAKER_01: Opportunity was presented to me.
52:46
SPEAKER_01: And I was like accountable.
52:47
SPEAKER_01: No, because my mother would be my way.
52:49
SPEAKER_01: She would not be too cool with it.
52:50
SPEAKER_01: She'll be way too hurt for me to accept that.
52:52
SPEAKER_01: So that's the reason why I did it.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: But there's a lot of people that don't have that luxury.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: They don't like that mom and dad.
52:56
SPEAKER_06: At this stage of our lives, is that going into adulthood as men, like I just find that we have to start thinking about the fact that I can't keep listening.
53:03
SPEAKER_06: Well, not necessarily listening, but uh feeding on music that's sitting here cursing my women.
53:07
SPEAKER_06: Like, I just think that's wild.
53:09
SPEAKER_01: You see, I just affect me.
53:11
SPEAKER_06: Because if you listen to if you listen to you, but the people around you who might not have a as large of a you know reservoir.
53:17
SPEAKER_03: But that's it all boil it all boils down to the decision.
53:19
SPEAKER_03: It's like you make that decision in your life.
53:21
SPEAKER_02: Bro, so what you want me to listen to?
53:22
SPEAKER_02: Country and gospel music?
53:23
SPEAKER_03: I ain't say all that.
53:24
SPEAKER_06: You can listen to hip-hop.
53:25
SPEAKER_06: There's good better sources of hip-hop.
53:26
SPEAKER_06: There's really good hip hop out there that's gonna be a good thing.
53:28
SPEAKER_02: That don't talk about that don't talk about women.
53:30
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna be honest, I don't want to hear that other shit.
53:32
SPEAKER_07: No, that was gonna be the best piece of all those songs, yo.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: I want to hear future talking about pissing on bitches.
53:39
SPEAKER_01: I want to hear attacking.
53:40
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
53:41
SPEAKER_02: I wish I could be that like yo, bro, to be.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to be saying like to be as famous.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
53:48
SPEAKER_02: If you think about it, to be as famous where you could say you damn near almost pissed on a bitch and like they still love you, it sounds cool.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: It sounds cool.
53:56
SPEAKER_02: But do you want to piss on a mother of your children?
53:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to piss on a mother of my children.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: So then what do we do?
54:00
SPEAKER_02: But what I'm saying is you could be as lit to where they could basically accept something like that bad because you're so lit, I do want to be that lit.
54:10
SPEAKER_02: I do want to be that lit in life.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: Think about it.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: Steve Jobs could piss on a bitch and still be lit.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: We don't talk about that.
54:18
SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying, it I it's not you taking it as literally pissing on a bitch.
54:23
SPEAKER_02: I just want to be as lit to where I could damn near be like, I could damn near piss on you, but nigga, I'm still gonna get loved.
54:28
SPEAKER_06: Let me say something.
54:28
SPEAKER_02: That's how lit I want to be in life.
54:30
SPEAKER_02: I want to be that successful.
54:31
SPEAKER_06: So pissing on females, right?
54:33
SPEAKER_06: This is something that I'm getting I guarantee you every man of every race has done.
54:36
SPEAKER_06: There's always there has to be someone who's done some wild stuff to a woman in every culture.
54:41
SPEAKER_06: The difference is we put ours on front front street and sell it.
54:45
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
54:45
SPEAKER_06: Like white men have done wickedness to women before, Asian, Hispanic, all across the board.
54:50
SPEAKER_06: But they don't show that to the world and sell it to the world.
54:53
SPEAKER_06: We're like whores right now.
54:55
SPEAKER_06: Everything we do is yo, yo, look what I got.
54:57
SPEAKER_02: Hashtag Saturdays for the boys.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: And I want to see what you see with those white people.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: What is that?
55:01
SPEAKER_02: What is that?
55:02
SPEAKER_02: It's basically like the shit that goes on in college frat bottom.
55:06
SPEAKER_06: That's not sold as What?
55:07
SPEAKER_02: That's not point.
55:08
SPEAKER_02: That's one of the tr biggest trending shit that goes on on the world.
55:12
SPEAKER_06: As a culture, and it comes from us.
55:14
SPEAKER_06: Everything we do is on the front.
55:15
SPEAKER_06: The amount of big mamas and illegitimate children, all the stuff going on, is put out there.
55:20
SPEAKER_06: This is the this is the representation of us.
55:21
SPEAKER_06: But yeah, but when people do hip hop, they character are characterize us.
55:25
SPEAKER_02: Sad to say, that's on Front Street, but hip-hop is just bigger.
55:29
SPEAKER_02: Bigger than what?
55:30
SPEAKER_02: Bigger than Instagram.
55:32
SPEAKER_02: You get saying that's the only difference.
55:34
SPEAKER_02: If Instagram was as big as hip-hop, then all that shit would be as as emphasized to everybody.
55:41
SPEAKER_02: You get that?
55:42
SPEAKER_01: This is my argument to you.
55:43
SPEAKER_01: Is if we recognize in this room, and we're we're not we're we're so low on the total pole, we can't affect everybody.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: So if we recognize that, you don't think Jay-Z and Meek Mill understand that they are the leaders of the most popular culture in the world?
55:57
SPEAKER_01: Let me that's the first question.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: Yes or no?
55:59
SPEAKER_01: So you agree to that.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: So as a person that understands that, hey, I'm a leader of the most popular culture in the world, shouldn't I kind of steer the music in a more positive way?
56:09
SPEAKER_01: No.
56:10
SPEAKER_01: Because I've seen Jay trying to.
56:11
SPEAKER_01: Why not?
56:11
SPEAKER_01: But why not?
56:12
SPEAKER_01: Why don't you think that's a responsibility?
56:14
SPEAKER_02: You watch the people that did it before you.
56:16
SPEAKER_02: No, no, fuck them.
56:16
SPEAKER_02: No, no, listen, listen.
56:18
SPEAKER_02: Listen, listen.
56:18
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm richer than them.
56:19
SPEAKER_02: You watch the people that had become a big thing.
56:23
SPEAKER_01: No, no, I understand that, but listen on the show.
56:24
SPEAKER_02: So why the fuck am I paying attention to him?
56:26
SPEAKER_02: Because dollars make the world more.
56:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but if now I do that, I don't need any more dollars.
56:34
SPEAKER_02: No, I don't.
56:34
SPEAKER_02: How?
56:35
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean how?
56:36
SPEAKER_02: Because I can put juggles on the plane, nigga.
56:37
SPEAKER_02: What the fuck is your point?
56:40
SPEAKER_02: If I could do that, how am I now?
56:42
SPEAKER_02: How would it look like if I'd be like, oh, let's let's all be saints.
56:45
SPEAKER_02: Let's like, come on, don't you?
56:46
SPEAKER_02: Nobody's supposed to be a saint.
56:48
SPEAKER_01: But that's kind of like what Jay did with the 444 album.
56:51
SPEAKER_01: He stopped.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: That was the issue.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: And he said go to buy properties.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: Notice the amount of safety in his last album.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: But think about it.
56:57
SPEAKER_00: Think about it.
56:57
SPEAKER_00: Think about it.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: Think about it too.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: A lot of the even though, even I looked at what Jay was talking about on that album as the same thing as y'all look at bringing Draco's on a plane.
57:06
SPEAKER_00: I can't buy, what's that, a Bosca?
57:08
SPEAKER_00: Basca?
57:08
SPEAKER_00: How much is that painting?
57:10
SPEAKER_00: Too much money.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: Come on, so he's telling me I shouldn't invest in something that's two million dollars.
57:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:14
SPEAKER_00: Where I'm getting the two million.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: He didn't tell me how to make the two million.
57:17
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
57:17
SPEAKER_00: So what's that gonna lead to?
57:19
SPEAKER_00: Go sell drugs, make that quick.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: Can I answer that real quick?
57:23
SPEAKER_06: Everything in America is based on a pyramid.
57:24
SPEAKER_06: Pyramid.
57:25
SPEAKER_06: So if you're at the top, which is let's say Jay-Z's the top of the pyramid of hip-hop, that those bars was dope to you, but that was for the Meek Mill level, the next level down.
57:33
SPEAKER_06: And if Meek follows, the next level down is gonna do it.
57:35
SPEAKER_06: If they follow, the next level is gonna reach us eventually.
57:37
SPEAKER_06: Because if they're at the top of the culture, it's a trickle-down effect from the top.
57:40
SPEAKER_06: It would trickle down, but where would I get the money to buy it starts from the air?
57:45
SPEAKER_06: No, I see no.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: That song wasn't for you.
57:48
SPEAKER_00: That was for me.
57:50
SPEAKER_00: So those who have the power.
57:51
SPEAKER_00: So good.
57:51
SPEAKER_00: I see what you're saying.
57:52
SPEAKER_00: So now, but also you have to understand like the meeks in the game is like our age, a little bit older.
57:57
SPEAKER_00: So the way their mind work isn't on like the Instagram, quick fame and money type shit.
58:02
SPEAKER_00: They're more on for the like the long haul and shit.
58:04
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, exactly.
58:07
SPEAKER_00: So now when he's talking to the under the underage and you try to give them that same message, that shit goes over their head unless you slot a bar in there, like we still keep Draco's in the plane.
58:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure you can find a motivational bar in that song, but you gotta throw that one in there just so you know, like, just so I can catch the kid that probably isn't listening to all that, like buy real estate and shit like that.
58:27
SPEAKER_00: Because you lose a lot of people.
58:28
SPEAKER_00: No kid can buy real estate.
58:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what a kid could do, go to his barber shop and sweep up.
58:32
SPEAKER_01: That's all right.
58:33
SPEAKER_01: I've never heard that in a bar.
58:35
SPEAKER_01: Also, come on.
58:37
SPEAKER_01: He can start his YouTube page, make money in his house.
58:41
SPEAKER_02: Who said that shit?
58:43
SPEAKER_02: Damn, what the nigga says, something UPS is still hiring.
58:46
SPEAKER_02: That was his diss.
58:47
SPEAKER_02: And also, yeah, but that was a diss, but that is something like that people don't realize that, bro, we're legit always hiring.
58:53
SPEAKER_02: You can always get a job.
58:54
SPEAKER_01: I understand he was dissing you for getting a job.
58:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he's detrimental.
58:59
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
59:00
SPEAKER_01: But you can take it how you want.
59:02
SPEAKER_01: No, you can't.
59:03
SPEAKER_01: If I'm telling you getting a job is whack.
59:04
SPEAKER_01: You can't take that as well.
59:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's cool.
59:06
SPEAKER_01: You can tell me getting a whack.
59:08
SPEAKER_02: You can tell me getting a job is whack, right?
59:10
SPEAKER_02: But if I have a right state of mind to pick out, I he's telling me it's whack, but in real, in realistically, I can use this job to benefit and do something else in my life.
59:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a person that has their head on their shoulders.
59:21
SPEAKER_01: So when they hear that bar, they don't give a fuck about it anyway.
59:23
SPEAKER_01: But also, that's not the average person.
59:25
SPEAKER_01: The average consumer is a person, no disrespect, but they are missing something in their life, either their mom, their father, probably both.
59:32
SPEAKER_01: Some of these these kids are being raised.
59:34
SPEAKER_01: Like, I've heard hundreds of grown men say that, yo, I was raised on Jadakin's bars.
59:37
SPEAKER_01: I was raised, yeah, yeah.
59:38
SPEAKER_01: I was raised on Jay-Z's bars.
59:40
SPEAKER_01: Then why the fuck is your parents not raising you?
59:42
SPEAKER_01: So if you don't have that in your life, then it's on the rappers need to understand that there's some people that are listening to my music and they're taking this shit as gospel.
59:50
SPEAKER_01: So maybe I should be like, instead of putting Drago's on the plane, yo, little homie, go to the barbershop and sweep up.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: Because I did that.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: I didn't put no fucking Drake on the plane.
59:57
SPEAKER_00: Alright, but how about the podcast?
59:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but he's like, But that's not what he did.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: Who?
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: That's not what who did?
1:00:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, Jay-Z, when he was rapping about um smuggling clock, money cash.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, smuggling coke on the plane.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_02: That's the shit that he that they claim he was really doing.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_02: That's my point.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_01: How do you want me to rap about this is what I did, little homie.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_01: I put drugs on a plane and I could have been in jail for the rest of my life getting fucked by a man.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_01: But you know what instead what you should do?
1:00:20
SPEAKER_01: Go to your barbershop, sweet button.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_01: If you listen to the whole, if you listen to the whole bar, if you listen to the two hours.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_02: If you listen to the bar, when he said how to get it on the plane, he said, Hove did that, so I hope you don't have to go through that.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: So he told you.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_01: I know that.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_02: So, so what's wrong here?
1:00:37
SPEAKER_01: No, no, but my my issue.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: He told you this is what I did, but you don't have to go through that.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_00: 90% of his bars are the opposite.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_00: What the fuck you mean I don't have to go through that?
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: I got like, just because you do it, that doesn't change anything.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_06: Like the world has changed though.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_06: You don't have to make money off of selling drugs.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_03: No, that's a fact.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, but you don't make money off of selling drugs.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_03: It just comes down to it, yo.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_03: That's what it comes down to with the whole world.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_03: Like, yo, sex sales, yo, drugs.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like all this shit.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_03: It's like taking over the passport.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_03: That's for a lower level.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_06: I need a fancy car, I need a foreign.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_06: You get there, believe me.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_06: I worked hard for that car.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_06: By the way, there was a guy from Hollis who used to sweep a pair, decided to be a barber.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_06: His name is Oda Barber on Instagram, by the way.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_06: Wait, and he swept not me.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_06: This is uh his name is I can't remember his name, but his name starts with O.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_06: His name is Oda Barber.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_06: He started off sweeping up sweeping a pair, went, got his barber license, started cutting here in one shop, moved to another shop, which is strictly skills on Hollis.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_06: Everyone knows about it.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_06: Famous people go there.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_06: And now I'm seeing him on Instagram cutting Ray Shrimmer's here, cutting um DeAndre Jordan's hair, he's cutting celebrity hair sitting at the front row seats at the Brooklyn Nets and Knicks games because he's that much in demand.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_06: So it's not impossible to rise off of just one skill.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_01: Before you respond, before you respond, before you go another way, he's still in the hip hop world.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_01: What is more obtainable?
1:01:47
SPEAKER_01: This guy sweeping up and owning a shop or you selling drugs and becoming Jay-Z?
1:01:54
SPEAKER_01: Which one is easier to do?
1:01:56
SPEAKER_02: So hell no.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_02: Are you crazy?
1:01:58
SPEAKER_02: 90% of people that sell drugs go to jail for messing ahead.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_02: But do you think that's true?
1:02:02
SPEAKER_02: But do you know how to only care?
1:02:05
SPEAKER_02: No, but listen to what I'm saying.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_02: There's a reason.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_02: You know how much easier it is to be in certain areas of any state that you live in and be able to easier get your hands on dealing drugs than people might bubble up.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_01: What result happens more often?
1:02:20
SPEAKER_01: Do you go to jail from selling drugs or do you become Jay-Z from selling drugs?
1:02:23
SPEAKER_01: You go to jail, but I'm saying that's easier to get into.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_02: That's not what he's saying.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_02: That's not my point.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about the story.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_00: So, like, you're gonna start off as a and then end up Jay-Z, or can you sweep?
1:02:35
SPEAKER_00: Start off sweeping the floor and end up like the top bar.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_00: So they're saying like which one sweeping.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that happens more often.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_02: So why are we not pushing that more often?
1:02:44
SPEAKER_02: Because what?
1:02:45
SPEAKER_02: When we see, it's like what I told this nigga Jod out.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_02: When you see cars, money, you don't think of motivation, you don't think of, you don't think of motivation in the aspect of grinding hard.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_02: You think of quick cash.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_00: I like it.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_00: I like the flashback.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_00: You feel me?
1:03:00
SPEAKER_02: That's what niggas think of.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_02: They don't think of I gotta put in pain.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, you're right, but that's barberry.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_02: But you're right.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_06: We calling him to cut the body.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_02: But this is the thing, you don't think you don't think of when you see somebody that like that, like that has money and you know that they cut hair, you don't think, oh, that only came from cutting hair.
1:03:20
SPEAKER_02: What do you usually think?
1:03:21
SPEAKER_02: Oh, now that nigga probably sold drugs on the side.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because we're ignorant.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_02: That's the image of hip-hop.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_02: Is that not how we're engineering thoughts?
1:03:27
SPEAKER_00: What do a lot of people think?
1:03:28
SPEAKER_00: That's the image of hip hop attached to black people's.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_00: Me and you walk in a club together, and you you the barber, yeah, and I'm the rapper.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:03:37
SPEAKER_00: Where the bitches going?
1:03:38
SPEAKER_00: The rapper.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_00: Come on.
1:03:39
SPEAKER_00: Hold on, hold on, hold on.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_00: Hold on, keep up with me.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_00: Hold on, two more bottles.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: Hold on, hold on, but hold on.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_01: And that's not this responsibility.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_01: Hold on, no, no, no, hold on.
1:03:49
SPEAKER_01: This is my point.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_01: But if the barber and the rapper walk in and they buy the same amount of bottles, they're wearing the same chains, they're wearing the same shoes, they drive the same car, it doesn't matter.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_01: The girls are gonna go to who has these things.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_01: So the nope, nope, nope, nope.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_01: You know where they're gonna go?
1:04:03
SPEAKER_01: To the name.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_01: It comes into social media.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_02: Now, look at look at it like this.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm a top barber, you Jay-Z, right?
1:04:12
SPEAKER_02: That's two different You Meek Mill, I'm a top barber.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_02: That's still too much.
1:04:17
SPEAKER_06: So I'm saying that's a good one.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_06: You blue face Cassidy, not Cassidy on but it's in Casanova.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_06: Go with that.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_02: You Casanova, I'm a barber.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_02: We both make two million dollars.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_02: We both make two million dollars.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_02: We both pop in bottles.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_02: Bitches gonna see Casanova and know him from music and know that's Casanova.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but I and more likely to go there.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm an intelligent barber.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_01: I can put myself in a position to be like, first of all, Casanova, you don't own anything.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_01: You don't even own your music.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: You want to go into that?
1:04:42
SPEAKER_06: Let me raise you a question though.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_06: Go ahead, go ahead.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: No, that was it.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: I was just saying, like, of course, if you want to.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_06: What type of women are you trying to attract, though?
1:04:48
SPEAKER_06: Because bottom feet fucking screen.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_06: I get that point.
1:04:55
SPEAKER_01: Who do you think I'm trying to attract without raping bottles?
1:04:58
SPEAKER_02: A rapper wins at the end of the day when it comes to the body.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_02: If that's your goal.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_02: But no, no, no.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, if you think about it, right?
1:05:04
SPEAKER_02: If I'm going out to pop, let's say, ten bottles, what am I trying to attract?
1:05:08
SPEAKER_02: Let's know that.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_02: You think I'm trying to attract a wife?
1:05:10
SPEAKER_02: You just haven't food.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_02: So I'm trying to have something.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_06: But my point is, like, there's different levels of those kind of women too.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_06: Like, you have the one that everyone smutted out.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_06: Those are easy to attract.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_06: Let me show you the biggest thing.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_06: You really want to get women to give your wife's.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_06: I get a black China.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_06: You could look at the city.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_02: But that's what I'm saying.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_02: If I do if I pop the bottles, right, and a black China approaches, and let's say uh what's um what's a boogie girl, Ella Benz approaching?
1:05:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you right now, I'm going with black China that got smothered out more.
1:05:43
SPEAKER_02: You know why?
1:05:44
SPEAKER_02: Cause I know that's the easier kill, bro.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_02: I know I'm guaranteed to get putsy on the next one.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_02: Black China got more money than Laban, so but I'm I'm just saying, like you know one, you know one for being they're both you know both of them.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_02: You know both of them is But you know one is known for getting fucked.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: If you a rapper and you got money and shit, don't you think all these bitches is fucking?
1:06:04
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_00: You bought that.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_00: Cause put like that.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_02: You ever heard any crazy story come out about a lot of these niggas girls that they fucking?
1:06:11
SPEAKER_02: Crazy stories with you.
1:06:12
SPEAKER_02: Like Ella Bear.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_02: You heard anything about her fucking anybody else?
1:06:15
SPEAKER_02: You got to say anybody.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about in the club.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying there's certain women that's in the industry that you don't hear that they're getting trained out.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_02: But black channels known for sucking dick and giving up putting it.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_02: But every girl does that.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_02: But you already know her track record.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_02: So it's like, what am I gonna do?
1:06:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna take my chances and be like, alright, this woman ain't known for really giving up, but she may give it up.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_02: Or I'm gonna be like, alright.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_02: I came out to have some fun, I know for a fact she gives a bitch of power.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_00: Every bitch in that spot is fucking.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_00: I still think that hip hop has to make some changes because it's destroying a lot of the lives that we don't have.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_06: But would it still be hip hop?
1:06:47
SPEAKER_06: No, that's your hope.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_06: NWA hip hop wasn't that.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_06: Hip hop was moving towards the.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_06: They created some.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no, no, you're right, you're right.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_06: You're right.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_06: Hell yeah.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_00: Because if you can if you tell somebody like if Lupe brings you an album and you tell Lupe we can't sell this shit, like why would the nigga after him try to give that label the same song?
1:07:10
SPEAKER_00: Let me just say they wouldn't.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_00: They gotta flip it up to what the fuck we want to hear.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_00: J-Z said it too.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_06: If the industry or whatever label or whatever power machines behind you pushes you, they can get your stuff sold.
1:07:21
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't think so.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_06: Kendrick's got um damn album is very common and it sold very well.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_01: Nah, but they it's slavery because he has the greatest producers producing his music.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_01: They have people that have an algorithm for what sounds match and make it.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_01: And he's also a great rapper.
1:07:37
SPEAKER_01: But Kendrick has a hundred talk songs talking about if my dick was big as an alpha tower or shit like that.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_01: Like he's he's he's not he's not um absolved from this too.
1:07:45
SPEAKER_01: You gotta throw it in there.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_01: I just think for hip hop culture, it just has to be there.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_01: Or else it's not hip-hop, it's something else.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_06: All right, well, hip-hop has a culture, it has to change, bro.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_06: It's just showing too many lives.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_06: I don't think it can't change.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_06: You gotta step away from it then, because it's doing it's ridiculous.
1:07:59
SPEAKER_06: It's showing us we can't.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_06: Alright, so look, we don't that's a fact.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_06: We the only race not worry about self-preservation.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_06: Alright, so look, look.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_06: We don't lie, yo, it's me.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_06: When I die, I'm done.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_06: My kids good.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_06: Good luck with what you're doing.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_06: Let's bring up another genre.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_06: We have a genocidal culture, man.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_01: Let's bring up another genre.
1:08:15
SPEAKER_01: Reggae.
1:08:16
SPEAKER_01: It's a big part of it, right?
1:08:17
SPEAKER_01: That music is about sex.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_01: No, no, reggae is different.
1:08:19
SPEAKER_01: Reggae is about positivity.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay, not reggae.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_02: Dance hall.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_02: That's about sex.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_02: It's about sex.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_02: But now with the busy song, what's what's that?
1:08:27
SPEAKER_02: What is that considered?
1:08:28
SPEAKER_01: What busy song?
1:08:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, one for cali tech for mech, what is that?
1:08:32
SPEAKER_02: Dance hall, right?
1:08:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a gangster.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_02: Alright, but what that's gangster dance hall.
1:08:36
SPEAKER_02: You have certain shit that, bro, no matter how you put it, every genre, or almost every genre, or a lot of genres, they're gonna have that.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_01: No, but they're black.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_01: That's the point he's making.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_01: Is that so you think all black music is always some negative shit?
1:08:49
SPEAKER_01: Why is that?
1:08:50
SPEAKER_00: It ain't really always negative, man.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_01: Because it's what's gonna sell.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_01: And that and that's the point.
1:08:57
SPEAKER_00: That's what's gonna boil down to what's gonna sell.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_03: And then just to go back to Kanye, is like you should step away from hip hop if that's no, but that's what he tried to do with the album that he released.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_01: There's like no cursing on it.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like gospel.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_02: He wait, he released that song with no with no cursing on everyone.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_02: If you know, if you know how much that that oh, it just came out.
1:09:17
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna see the number the first time.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_02: I don't even say nothing.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_02: But I'm gonna say right now, yeah, but I was.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_02: Especially when church people start getting too, which is ridiculous.
1:09:25
SPEAKER_02: But I don't think no, but this is the thing.
1:09:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that this album is gonna do as big as his last one.
1:09:29
SPEAKER_02: Of course not.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_02: He's came to the black show.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_02: This is my thing.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_02: If it's if you can see the other one, the one that he just did before going so many numbers and this one going on a downhill.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_02: You want hip-hop to go that way, that means hip hop will go on a downhill.
1:09:40
SPEAKER_06: No one said we're going with Kanye's way.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_06: That's not the idea of a successful hip-hop.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_06: What I'm saying is the fact that hip-hop was born out of a place of lack, out of the Bronx, right?
1:09:49
SPEAKER_06: Out of nothingness, shows that black people in of themselves can be very um nuanced and creative out of anything.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_06: So if we birth something out of positivity, it can be just as successful if we get behind the way we do with hip-hop.
1:09:59
SPEAKER_06: That's my thing.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_06: We can step away from hip-hop and create something totally new.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_06: And this is why hip-hop has been able to evolve actually even into a melodic and harm harmony-based form that it is in now, is we can be creative on a different level and bring something new and change our existence and our culture.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_06: I just don't think that people are mature enough to say that yo, this is poison right now.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_06: Either we're gonna fix it or we're gonna step away from it completely.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_06: Because the rest of the world looks at us through the lens of hip-hop.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_06: When I walk into different countries, they expect hip hop-based character, um, character characteristics from it.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna be real with you.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_06: I've had girls be like, yo, this is you're not that type of dude, I would think, from like this, and they don't like that.
1:10:34
SPEAKER_06: You know what I'm saying?
1:10:35
SPEAKER_06: They expect you to be.
1:10:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be real with you, I'm not leaving hip hop alone.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_01: This is my opinion.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_06: But this is as long as you were making that conscious decision, I understand that.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_02: But this is this is what I'm saying.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_02: Like, you say you go and they say that they expect this, and then you they see a real character and then they don't really like it.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_02: So it's like, now if hip-hop does that, then they don't fuck with hip-hop, then now would it our whole existence is our whole culture nobody wanna fuck with it?
1:10:58
SPEAKER_02: No, we just fuck with ourselves.
1:11:01
SPEAKER_06: So it lowers how people look at us and how we look at ourselves.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_06: This is why the average black man does not value another black man.
1:11:08
SPEAKER_01: No, that's some dangerous shit.
1:11:09
SPEAKER_06: Because when I'm listening to hip hop that says nigga, this nigga disrespects me, I gotta do this, that, and the other.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_06: I'm feeding on that from a young child.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_06: I get older, a little bit of disrespect for another black man, and because he is a black man seen through the lens of hip-hop, I can waste his life and not think twice about it.
1:11:22
SPEAKER_06: But I would never think that way about white, Asian, Hispanic, Indian men.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_06: But it's dangerous.
1:11:27
SPEAKER_06: It depends on how suicidal as a people.
1:11:29
SPEAKER_06: It depends on how you grow.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_01: No, but this is my thing.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_02: Not kill them, but like that's what the music is telling you.
1:11:41
SPEAKER_02: Like shoot, but drilling.
1:11:43
SPEAKER_02: You you did it to alright.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't say kill them, but you harm them in a certain way.
1:11:49
SPEAKER_02: Hip hop music do say, like, do make it seem like you gotta kill them and take the money.
1:11:54
SPEAKER_01: Not just any person, it's telling you to kill the nigga on your block.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is true.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_00: I see what you're saying.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_00: That's also trying to kill me.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, you don't hear no other thing.
1:12:02
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm seeing songs about murdering some.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_00: But you also have to listen to the whole thing.
1:12:06
SPEAKER_00: He's saying all the drill music, they're saying that they're right they're trying to kill somebody.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_00: That yeah, that's trying to kill me.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_00: Kill me.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_00: Mind you, when it's not.
1:12:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're not gonna try to kill him?
1:12:19
SPEAKER_06: I'm not see y'all going y'all going too far left with it.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_00: Of course I'll I'll kill somebody who's trying to kill me.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_00: Because in my neighborhood, in my neighborhood, in my neighborhood, I'm born on this block.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_00: Which before me, they was beefing with that block.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_00: Alright.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_00: And anytime I try to go to the store and them niggas is outside, there's a problem.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_00: Alright.
1:12:35
SPEAKER_00: I can't, like, what am I supposed to do?
1:12:36
SPEAKER_00: Move?
1:12:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm smoking.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_06: I'm not saying I can't move, right?
1:12:39
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna say if you have to like not defend yourself because America's based on having arms to defend yourself.
1:12:43
SPEAKER_06: However, when the the primary target is other people who look like me, and it's being pushed in the music that my people will assume.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_00: It's my song, it's my song, and then I mean I get what you're saying.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_00: It's a reason why.
1:12:54
SPEAKER_00: You shouldn't defend yourself at all.
1:12:55
SPEAKER_00: I'm saying I under I understand what you're saying as far as like this music is being pushed to like our children and shit like that, but it's also my reality.
1:13:03
SPEAKER_00: So when I give this song to the labels and or whoever, and they decide like this is gonna be the song of the summer, unfortunately, it's my harsh reality, but it's still like reality.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_00: It's not like I'm trying to like tell the black kid that isn't used to this life or hasn't ever seen this life, this is what you should be doing.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_00: No, but this is what I'm saying.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking to this kid that is your reality.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_01: But this is my argument, not mine.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_01: What if there was a song that came out that summer that said, yo, I know our blocks don't fuck with each other, but let's go play ball together.
1:13:32
SPEAKER_01: Instead of the weight song it, not gonna sell, but no, no, no, no, no, no.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_01: Hypothetical world, what if that was the song of the summer?
1:13:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, yo, instead of killing an ops, let's go play ball without the bigger.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_01: It would have an effect.
1:13:47
SPEAKER_01: You know what's gonna happen for it?
1:13:48
SPEAKER_01: You know what's gonna happen?
1:13:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna show you what's the one.
1:13:50
SPEAKER_02: If it's the song of the summer, yes it would.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna show you what's gonna happen.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be a lot of this.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, let's go play ball together.
1:13:56
SPEAKER_02: And you dying on that basketball court, nigga.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_02: That's what's gonna happen.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_00: Or even or even you wanna add uh more shit to it.
1:14:02
SPEAKER_00: But how am I supposed to feel that way if if I lost somebody because of this?
1:14:06
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
1:14:07
SPEAKER_00: That's the reality of the movie.
1:14:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
1:14:08
SPEAKER_01: But I just think the music makes it worse.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_01: That's my thing.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_01: Like the music doesn't tell you to go put the guns down and fight.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_01: Fuck it.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_00: He killed your cousin, nobody should die in the music.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_00: And also I think y'all put a lot of like responsibility on the music itself.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's uh a lot to put blame on.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_00: But if they have if they are saying in another note that you shouldn't be living like this off of the music, doesn't that like cross each other out?
1:14:32
SPEAKER_00: You see what I'm saying?
1:14:33
SPEAKER_01: No, because to me there's 90 bars of you should be living like this, and there's one bar about you shouldn't be living like this.
1:14:38
SPEAKER_00: Or if I have an interview, if you care about me enough as an artist to like actually follow up on everything I've done, including interviews, I'm and I'm saying positive stuff in there, that's still that's more than that three-minute song.
1:14:48
SPEAKER_01: Because how many times do you listen to the interview?
1:14:50
SPEAKER_01: Once.
1:14:50
SPEAKER_01: Listen to the song every day.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but uh, I could also be a part of many, like so like like what we said about the Meek shit.
1:14:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even though we hear what he hear in his music, if I see him do a post a hundred times about prison reform, yeah, it's doing the same amount of work.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm playing the song, I'm remembering the lyrics.
1:15:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm when I go to the club, I'm not watching a fucking interview.
1:15:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm not looking at his Instagram post.
1:15:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm listening to the song where he says, still putting Draco's on the plane, nigga.
1:15:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm hearing it 100 miles per hour.
1:15:18
SPEAKER_01: So when in my subconscious, I'm thinking, I gotta put Draco's on the plane, nigga.
1:15:23
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
1:15:23
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's just very detrimental.
1:15:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that.
1:15:27
SPEAKER_00: Why we don't uh get onto the positive notes?
1:15:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, these niggas say a hundred positive ones.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but no, they don't.
1:15:32
SPEAKER_00: They're just that's the shoes.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_00: No, if they say 100 and a million negative ones, let me ask you a lot of things.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_00: Let me ask all the other questions give his mom uh$10,000 a hundred times.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_00: He said that in a bar?
1:15:44
SPEAKER_00: He said that in a bar.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_01: But how many bars does he have about dirt bikes?
1:15:47
SPEAKER_01: More than those.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_01: But that's his life.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_01: He wants to talk about them.
1:15:53
SPEAKER_01: How'd he get in jail the last time he went to jail?
1:15:55
SPEAKER_01: For riding a dirt bike.
1:15:57
SPEAKER_01: That's my point.
1:15:58
SPEAKER_02: But this is the thing, like, no, no, no.
1:16:00
SPEAKER_02: But riding a dirt bike in every state, and everyone.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_02: It's illegal.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1:16:05
SPEAKER_02: It's illegal where he's from.
1:16:06
SPEAKER_02: No, it's illegal, it's illegal to ride a dirt bike on public streets.
1:16:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's illegal.
1:16:10
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's across the 50 states, if I'm not mistaken.
1:16:13
SPEAKER_01: You need to have a license plate and a turn signal and some mirror so you can see, nigga.
1:16:17
SPEAKER_02: But this is my whole thing about this, right?
1:16:19
SPEAKER_02: Do you think, do you think deeper down than just hip-hop and rap, that not only just the music, but we are engineered this way?
1:16:27
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:16:27
SPEAKER_02: I think Because if you think about it, I think it's a dumbass argument.
1:16:30
SPEAKER_02: No, no, listen.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_02: Think about the people.
1:16:33
SPEAKER_02: Think about it like this, right?
1:16:34
SPEAKER_02: We're engineered this way as just our our people.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_02: Because do white people listen to hip-hop?
1:16:39
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:16:40
SPEAKER_02: You get into uh argument with white people in the club, what's the first thing, yo, bro?
1:16:45
SPEAKER_01: No, they're calling the cops.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_02: You feel me?
1:16:47
SPEAKER_02: But they don't get as hostile as like we do.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_06: Hold on, let me say something real quick, just by the way.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_06: If you get into altercation with somebody who you see the lens of hip hop, right?
1:16:54
SPEAKER_06: Like this dude might be a thug, right?
1:16:56
SPEAKER_06: And you you come from a culture of yo, I need to survive or I need to s preserve myself, you're going to back down, not because you feel like well, you might be.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_06: You might actually be afraid of him, but that might be be that's because through you're seeing them through the lens of hip hop.
1:17:09
SPEAKER_06: Now, me as a black man willing to throw my life away over this one altercation is stupid.
1:17:14
SPEAKER_06: I wanted to let everyone know that.
1:17:16
SPEAKER_06: I'm willing to die in this moment.
1:17:17
SPEAKER_06: Boondocks talked about it, a nigga moment.
1:17:19
SPEAKER_06: That's why they called it a nigga moment.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_06: It's the dumbest thing in the world.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_06: But that but that's single.
1:17:23
SPEAKER_06: But that's what I'm trying to say.
1:17:25
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that we would just engineered that way?
1:17:27
SPEAKER_02: It's not just hip-hop.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_02: It's not engineering.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_02: Because put it like this.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_02: Listen, look at me.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_02: You can ask him.
1:17:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't don't listen.
1:17:32
SPEAKER_02: If I listen to hip-hop, engineering.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_02: If I listen to hip-hop, that's maybe out of a hundred percent, that's maybe 30%.
1:17:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm more listening to Soka Reggae Dancehall.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_02: But if I'm in the club and something happens, I do get hostile, like, like how they say a nigga moment.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_02: You get what I'm saying?
1:17:48
SPEAKER_02: And I do get that character, but it's not because I listen to straight hip hop.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_01: Nah, but you participate in hip-hop culture more than you do dancehall culture, though.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
1:17:55
SPEAKER_01: How do you dress?
1:17:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:17:57
SPEAKER_01: How do you talk?
1:17:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_01: That's hip-hop culture.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_02: But do you think that just how we was engineered?
1:18:02
SPEAKER_02: No, I just answered.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's just hip hop.
1:18:06
SPEAKER_00: You guys are saying hip-hop culture and black culture is the same thing.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_00: That's what it is.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_00: I agree.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_00: I think it's true.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_00: It's done more good than it's not.
1:18:18
SPEAKER_01: I see more black millionaires than ever under hip-hop culture.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_01: But it's it I can I I would be a fool to say it's not detrimental.
1:18:25
SPEAKER_01: Nah, of course.
1:18:26
SPEAKER_06: 1.1% is what you see on TV with the success.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_00: No, but who's under this who's under the umbrella of hip-hop?
1:18:31
SPEAKER_00: Again, just rappers?
1:18:33
SPEAKER_06: What do you mean?
1:18:33
SPEAKER_06: Nah, it's starting to be a good thing.
1:18:34
SPEAKER_06: It's a culture.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_06: It's a culture.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_06: It's like they're seeing all black people through hip-hop.
1:18:39
SPEAKER_06: Put it this way, if I have dirty glasses and I look around, I'm like, yo, this place looks mad dirty, essentially.
1:18:44
SPEAKER_06: Hip hop are the dirty glasses, and when you look at a black person, it translates to lower value, dumb nigga.
1:18:49
SPEAKER_06: Because why is Russell Wilson a cornball brother?
1:18:52
SPEAKER_01: Why?
1:18:53
SPEAKER_06: Great point.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_00: Why is Future lit?
1:18:55
SPEAKER_00: Let's not forget.
1:18:57
SPEAKER_00: Let's not forget.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, as a white woman of the next thing, but that's not how he ended his life, though.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_01: Just saying.
1:19:04
SPEAKER_01: You don't always believe in black women.
1:19:05
SPEAKER_01: No, but we don't know what his circumstances are.
1:19:07
SPEAKER_01: I lost that because I I just want to know why do we consider Tiger Woods, Russell Wilson, dudes that carried themselves in the body?
1:19:14
SPEAKER_00: Tiger Woods wasn't Tiger Woods, and this is like not my full belief, but I believe this is why Tiger Woods was uh looked at as a cornball.
1:19:21
SPEAKER_00: One, he wasn't 100% black.
1:19:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_00: And uh he just wasn't raised.
1:19:26
SPEAKER_00: His daddy's black, you know.
1:19:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, so yeah, I guess you could say that.
1:19:29
SPEAKER_00: But he didn't want to be 100% black.
1:19:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he denied a lot of that shit.
1:19:33
SPEAKER_00: We still claimed him though.
1:19:35
SPEAKER_00: Because we we show a lot of love and support.
1:19:36
SPEAKER_01: But Russell Wilson, is both his parents black?
1:19:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm uh I'm not a hundred percent sure, but let's just go along with the narrative that he's a hundred percent black.
1:19:43
unknown: Facts.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_00: Somebody can do that.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm gonna answer the question real.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_00: So I I know we call him a cornball just because we're comparing him to future, and future is like, you know, king cool.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_00: So but if you had a son, what would you rather him be?
1:19:56
SPEAKER_01: I'd rather him be Russell Wilson.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_01: But so then how is he a cornball, though?
1:19:59
SPEAKER_01: That's what I don't want to do.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_01: No, I mean the unfortunately he's corny.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, unfortunately.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_00: Hip hop has translated into like when it meant something to not giving a fuck.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_00: So like hip hop is like, let's see who can give a fuck the least.
1:20:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:20:13
SPEAKER_00: So the nigga that's killing the most people, robbing the most people, and the woman that's the most slutty.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_00: No, you're right.
1:20:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, you're right.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_00: But now let me speak for the average person that just because a successful black family.
1:20:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's more his dad is Martin Luther King, nigga.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm trying to say.
1:20:28
SPEAKER_01: I hate the Martin Luther King dad.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_01: I want future.
1:20:32
SPEAKER_01: No, I mean because absent dad?
1:20:33
SPEAKER_01: That's what I don't get it.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_06: What?
1:20:36
SPEAKER_06: That's crazy.
1:20:37
SPEAKER_06: Nike do how many kids he got?
1:20:39
SPEAKER_06: 10?
1:20:39
unknown: Eight.
1:20:40
SPEAKER_06: Allegedly.
1:20:41
SPEAKER_06: How many different women?
1:20:42
unknown: Eight.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_06: That's not conducive to a healthy.
1:20:46
SPEAKER_06: Of course.
1:20:49
SPEAKER_06: But he also is a successful black man.
1:20:51
SPEAKER_01: No, he is, and we can't take that away from him.
1:20:53
SPEAKER_01: Alright.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_01: So like maybe moms can take some money from him every month or something.
1:20:56
SPEAKER_01: We don't know the same.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_01: What does he own?
1:21:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we already see what type of nigga he was losing a 360.
1:21:04
SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, every rapper like that.
1:21:07
SPEAKER_00: But let's let's stop blaming all the rappers.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_00: Why we don't blame the consumers?
1:21:10
SPEAKER_00: I can't.
1:21:11
SPEAKER_00: Why do I want them the We're not blaming the rappers?
1:21:14
SPEAKER_06: It's also the consumers.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_06: It's both sides.
1:21:16
SPEAKER_06: You wanna know why I don't blame the rappers as much, though?
1:21:18
SPEAKER_06: Is because at the end of the day, there's someone at the top of their leg their label who is telling them that this is what sells, and that's what we want you to do.
1:21:23
SPEAKER_02: Because this is what the fuck I want.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't want that.
1:21:27
SPEAKER_06: Is engineering.
1:21:28
SPEAKER_06: So if we get flooded with hip hop regularly with this message, after a while, you're gonna want it.
1:21:32
SPEAKER_06: Anything you do enough, I'm gonna start listening to EBM again.
1:21:37
SPEAKER_06: My point is this simple.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_06: Like at the end of the day, if you're consuming that, and by the way, it's 80% of white teens who are consuming hip-hop.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_06: So they're living through it, but not experiencing the actual reality of it.
1:21:48
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but of course movies.
1:21:49
SPEAKER_06: Everybody wants to be black until you are.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_06: So you have everybody wants to be a nigga, but nobody wants to be a nigga, like Moody said.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_06: Except that we are the ones being hurt by it.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_00: Nah, that's right.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_00: Because like you said, we don't, as black people, we don't cut off what is hip-hop and what should be the culture.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_01: Hip hop when it started wasn't just music.
1:22:10
SPEAKER_01: It was a culture.
1:22:10
SPEAKER_01: It was a culture.
1:22:11
SPEAKER_01: It still is a culture, it's the number one culture.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_00: It's a hip-hop Bible that is legit.
1:22:15
SPEAKER_00: But also there has to be a separation because the people that's running hip-hop is not of the culture.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, now that's the issue.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so that when you go to a record label, it's not you're not talking to another black man like, hey bro, um, I don't really want to make music about killing my my other fellow man.
1:22:31
SPEAKER_01: It's a room full of room.
1:22:32
SPEAKER_01: When Bobby Schmerder was there, people seeing him dancing in front of white folk, and we're just like, oh, this isn't weird.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_01: This is regular like I just don't think that we understand powerful, and we have to just take responsibility.
1:22:44
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
1:22:45
SPEAKER_01: Like the average person.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_01: Both sides needed.
1:22:48
SPEAKER_01: Just we had the same argument about men and women.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_01: Both sides need to take responsibility.
1:22:51
SPEAKER_01: Like you said, why can separate?
1:22:54
SPEAKER_00: Like you said, why is Rakim broke compared to Jay-Z?
1:22:56
SPEAKER_01: Because Rakim wasn't making music in this era.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_00: That's one reason.
1:22:59
SPEAKER_01: And Rakim, that's one reason.
1:23:00
SPEAKER_00: And if Rakim was making music in this era, you think it would be the same music?
1:23:04
SPEAKER_00: Like he will he will he would fall into the mold that's going on right now, right?
1:23:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
1:23:08
SPEAKER_00: That's why.
1:23:09
SPEAKER_00: I think back then when when it was more positivity and we was kind of controlling the music and the sound that came out, it was it was yeah, it was a way smaller scale.
1:23:18
SPEAKER_00: It was just like.
1:23:20
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:23:21
SPEAKER_00: Now it's about no, my friends have to kill your friends.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_00: And I think that all that doesn't come from the rapper.
1:23:25
SPEAKER_00: I the the first rapper that probably started talking about that shit, probably obviously, he was in control of that.
1:23:29
SPEAKER_00: But as far as like when money started to get start coming in and the crowd started growing, that was more of the the the the the label's fault and the the consumer's fault.
1:23:39
SPEAKER_00: Because if a rap if it if KRS was to rap today, niggas is cutting that off.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_06: If you put it in the beat is fire and his producer's nice, he was.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_06: Y'all just said that about um what's his name?
1:23:50
SPEAKER_06: Uh Kendrick though.
1:23:52
SPEAKER_06: Like he had the greatest algorithmists and all that stuff.
1:23:54
SPEAKER_06: If you put the right music behind it and with good lyrics and whatnot, it can sell.
1:23:58
SPEAKER_00: Nah, but the beat.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_00: I would hope so.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_00: No, because you you you said things about Nas.
1:24:02
SPEAKER_00: Then you he worked with Kanye on his on that last year, right?
1:24:05
SPEAKER_00: Did you like any beats over there?
1:24:06
SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't listen to any of that shit.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_06: What?
1:24:07
SPEAKER_00: His Nas' album?
1:24:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_00: A couple of the songs I liked, honestly.
1:24:10
SPEAKER_00: You liked it?
1:24:11
SPEAKER_06: A couple of them, yeah.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_00: I didn't really, I didn't really like the the.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_06: I have a weird taste in music though.
1:24:15
SPEAKER_06: Like I like what you have, like trumpets, like one of my favorite songs with because of the actual like music behind it is trophies.
1:24:21
SPEAKER_06: Din dun dun dun.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_06: Something about that is fire.
1:24:23
SPEAKER_06: Like to this.
1:24:23
SPEAKER_06: Let me show you something.
1:24:24
SPEAKER_06: I have a different taste in music.
1:24:25
SPEAKER_02: This is why I'm gonna blame the consumers.
1:24:28
SPEAKER_02: You blaming yourself right now, just because I'm gonna show you something.
1:24:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_02: Brooklyn rap, right?
1:24:33
SPEAKER_02: Came from where?
1:24:34
SPEAKER_02: Here we go.
1:24:34
SPEAKER_02: Came from where?
1:24:35
SPEAKER_02: It's a Chicago sound.
1:24:36
SPEAKER_01: The current Brooklyn rap?
1:24:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's drill music.
1:24:38
SPEAKER_02: It's a drill music Chicago sound.
1:24:40
SPEAKER_02: Why did that really start coming to New York?
1:24:43
SPEAKER_02: Because when we started hearing niggas like Chief Keith and all these niggas started talking that drill shit, we was fucking with it.
1:24:49
SPEAKER_02: It started rocking in the clubs.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_01: We weren't it wasn't that we were fucking with it, it's that that was what was presented to us.
1:24:54
SPEAKER_01: And niggas was fucking it.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_05: And they're talking about Chicago that they give you the music for it.
1:25:00
SPEAKER_02: So we also, as a consumer, had the option to say no.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_01: No, you didn't.
1:25:04
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
1:25:05
SPEAKER_01: Because when you turn on the radio, that's what you heard.
1:25:07
SPEAKER_01: When you went to YouTube, that's what was there.
1:25:09
SPEAKER_01: You still don't like Welcome to the Party.
1:25:11
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know.
1:25:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't like I don't listen to this music unless I'm partying.
1:25:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm exposing to it.
1:25:16
SPEAKER_02: You're exposed to it, but you still don't like it as a person.
1:25:19
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely not.
1:25:20
SPEAKER_02: So how many people, other people do you think are out there like that?
1:25:22
SPEAKER_01: No, but the majority of us, we can't avoid it.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_01: I hate the song, but I hear it every weekend.
1:25:27
SPEAKER_01: But it's still And I dance to it every weekend, and I know the lyrics.
1:25:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you still but you still hate it.
1:25:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but do you not understand why that works that way?
1:25:34
SPEAKER_00: I see what you're saying.
1:25:34
SPEAKER_01: No matter if I hate or like the song, I'm programmed.
1:25:37
SPEAKER_01: I know the lyrics more than I know anything.
1:25:39
SPEAKER_01: That's engineering, actually.
1:25:41
SPEAKER_01: That's engineering because the people at the top are like, yo, we are going to make this type of music the number one thing.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_01: Because KRS one's music about black positivity, it could probably sell just as much as is Godfrey's argument and some of my argument, but we are just it's just not being pushed because the record labels know that I'd rather these people destroy themselves.
1:26:01
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so has has hip hop affected affected you positive?
1:26:05
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:26:06
SPEAKER_00: So that's the reason I'm doing podcasts.
1:26:08
SPEAKER_00: So why can't why that's what I'm saying?
1:26:10
SPEAKER_06: Why do we highlight it how does how is it affect this positive?
1:26:13
SPEAKER_06: Because we've already uh identified how it does negatives.
1:26:15
SPEAKER_06: Tell me the positives.
1:26:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it gives me the hustler spirit that nothing else has given.
1:26:21
SPEAKER_06: Alright, cool.
1:26:21
SPEAKER_06: Go ahead.
1:26:22
SPEAKER_06: What else?
1:26:22
SPEAKER_01: That's perfect.
1:26:23
SPEAKER_01: It really gave me a few years.
1:26:24
SPEAKER_01: That one thing that I could have got from a YouTube video.
1:26:26
SPEAKER_06: Now you're right though, but you're hustling.
1:26:28
SPEAKER_06: Or I could have looked at my father who's Caribbean like, this guy hustled to get me where I'm at today and got that same spirit.
1:26:33
SPEAKER_06: But it's easy.
1:26:33
SPEAKER_06: I'm having a father who taught me.
1:26:34
SPEAKER_06: You're right, you're right.
1:26:35
SPEAKER_03: That's easy to have to be here at the end.
1:26:37
SPEAKER_03: There are rappers that are like that.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_03: Like, look at like he goes faster through music.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_03: Elokuja, he's like a rapper that's like he didn't like talk about like he's not on right now.
1:26:45
SPEAKER_03: He ain't a rapper.
1:26:46
SPEAKER_03: I mean, but yo, he had a long ass career.
1:26:48
SPEAKER_03: I love Elo Kuz.
1:26:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, El O Kuza, absolutely.
1:26:50
SPEAKER_01: He's one of the greatest rappers of all time.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:26:53
SPEAKER_01: And he had music, Mama said knock you out.
1:26:54
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Mama said, I'm gonna kill my black friends.
1:26:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:26:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, come on, son.
1:26:58
SPEAKER_06: But also, y'all remember back hip hop was not the number one genre in the world.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_06: That's what I'm saying.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_06: When it became the number one genre and he started making money off of it, they changed and tweaked the message.
1:27:06
SPEAKER_06: So I'm blaming the West Coast.
1:27:08
SPEAKER_04: That's the way it went from the West Coast to the South, and then from the South to Chicago.
1:27:12
SPEAKER_04: Nah, I'm playing the South.
1:27:13
SPEAKER_04: I'm playing this.
1:27:14
SPEAKER_04: Nah, they did some funny shit with the fucking.
1:27:17
SPEAKER_01: They started to just drink your heart.
1:27:18
SPEAKER_01: Nah, they started bringing it up.
1:27:20
SPEAKER_01: You know why?
1:27:20
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
1:27:23
SPEAKER_02: You don't think I add because you're a freak?
1:27:24
SPEAKER_02: How?
1:27:25
SPEAKER_02: Like, come on, son.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_02: Be serious.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_02: That shit slaps, though.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_02: Fact.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_02: Like, we're a movie.
1:27:29
SPEAKER_02: And you want me to just to not listen to shit like that?
1:27:31
SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't say that.
1:27:31
SPEAKER_01: I just said we have to just look at it objectively and understand that.
1:27:35
SPEAKER_02: Like that's on the people.
1:27:36
SPEAKER_02: Oh, hold on, hold on.
1:27:38
SPEAKER_02: Now that we're talking about music, I just want to look at you and be happy to tell you that you heard three pop smoke songs in one night in a club.
1:27:46
SPEAKER_02: I did?
1:27:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:27:47
SPEAKER_02: Because they played three different songs yesterday, and I had to sit there and I it just popped in my head that when you was like, nigga, I only hear one song, I'll never hear another one.
1:27:54
SPEAKER_02: I had to think back and think just now.
1:27:56
SPEAKER_02: Niggas is growing.
1:27:59
SPEAKER_02: You feel.
1:28:01
SPEAKER_02: I actually do feel good because when I said something and I said that I have an ear for shit like this and yeah was like, nigga, he ain't gonna have more than two songs that's playing in the club, and he got three, and I'm like why do you feel good about this?
1:28:12
SPEAKER_02: It's not getting you any money.
1:28:14
SPEAKER_02: Nah, I don't feel good because of like that.
1:28:16
SPEAKER_02: I just feel good because I was right.
1:28:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay, about this.
1:28:20
SPEAKER_00: You see how much, you see how much you see how much you pop pop smoke.
1:28:23
SPEAKER_00: And like when pop smoke was coming up, you see how like you did like your due diligence.
1:28:27
SPEAKER_00: What's my diligence?
1:28:29
SPEAKER_00: Like you owned.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, cool.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_00: You see how you do that?
1:28:34
SPEAKER_00: Why you don't why you don't ever do that for me, nigga?
1:28:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't ever do that for you, nigga.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_02: I can show you videos of my friend, the same one that y'all motherfucker try to badge.
1:28:41
SPEAKER_02: Why do I hang out with a Donald Trump supporter sitting there playing bowling in their crib or in their car, driving around?
1:28:46
SPEAKER_02: You say you got the video?
1:28:47
SPEAKER_02: It's black lady.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_02: I can get the video.
1:28:48
SPEAKER_03: What is that doing for his music?
1:28:51
SPEAKER_02: But if you think about, if you think about it, that's the only thing that I did for possible, was tell my friend that, yo, I like this song, I think it's fire.
1:28:57
SPEAKER_01: Nah, but I heard the song before you told me anything about it.
1:28:59
SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
1:29:00
SPEAKER_02: But what did I do to y'all?
1:29:01
SPEAKER_02: All I did was brought the song like, yo, I think this song is fire.
1:29:03
SPEAKER_02: They have overs on the I like, uh I think they're fire.
1:29:06
SPEAKER_02: You had the opportunity to take it on or what you I didn't go out there and make his song go platinum.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you be blasting that shit.
1:29:12
SPEAKER_02: But nigga, I how when bowling came out, was I not blasting bowling?
1:29:16
SPEAKER_02: Did I not tell you let's do a video?
1:29:18
SPEAKER_01: Besides y'all personal beef, we should put a button on this uh a button, a Joe button?
1:29:23
SPEAKER_01: No, uh just a regular button.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_01: On this uh hip-hop uh conversation.
1:29:27
SPEAKER_01: I want to take personally Gottfried and Toon to Task.
1:29:31
SPEAKER_01: So with all this information that we have, because you can say the same exact thing about the the music I mean the um the film industry in Hollywood, we can say almost the same exact thing about how negative and evil and demonic it is, but yet you guys still want to be a part of these businesses and these corporations and these cultures.
1:29:50
SPEAKER_01: So now that you guys know how negative these things are, does it make you feel like hey, I can't do this, even though this is what I'm good at?
1:30:01
SPEAKER_06: You love the film industry, you kind of painted it in a narrative.
1:30:04
SPEAKER_06: I like that you uh did that to make it seem like you know it can't be it can be uh demonic.
1:30:08
SPEAKER_06: And there there are those aspects, sure.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_06: Um, but the difference with um and not not even the difference, music and film are actually on the same level in this.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_06: I think so too.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_06: There are many outlets to put it out there, but besides having to go through the industry, and you can be on just because you made a a hot a fire song, and you can decide to take the deal and you know, go about it the their way, become f rich and famous overnight and make the music they want you to make by signing a contract, or you can stay independent and fadangle that same success into money, into and whatever.
1:30:37
SPEAKER_06: Same thing goes for film.
1:30:38
SPEAKER_01: How many independent um actors do we know that have made it?
1:30:43
SPEAKER_06: Um you see them here and there, they're just not bad.
1:30:45
SPEAKER_06: I don't think they've got to be able to do it.
1:30:46
SPEAKER_06: If your ultimate the thing is, if your ultimate goal as an artist, whatever your artistry is, is to be rich and famous, then you'll you'll have to give something up for that.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so what is your ultimate goal?
1:30:55
SPEAKER_06: I want to use my artistry honestly to affect my culture in a positive way.
1:30:58
SPEAKER_06: I want to be able to make films n not like Tyler Perry.
1:31:02
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean.
1:31:02
SPEAKER_01: Like if he uh He has created his own lane though, which I definitely respect.
1:31:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that that part of that.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_06: Which is somehow going right back into the same mold.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_06: But anyway, I understand that he's definitely opened up a lot of uh positive black roles for sure, like his new show Sisters, which is someone I know is on that show, Ebony Obsidian, go check her out.
1:31:17
SPEAKER_06: Um but um the goal should be to open up avenues for other people to not have to go through what you're going through.
1:31:24
SPEAKER_06: Okay, you know what I'm saying?
1:31:25
SPEAKER_06: Like even with Jay-Z, the what you were just talking about, he went through the whole drug away, and thank God he made to the top, and he's able to turn around and be like, don't do it like I did.
1:31:32
SPEAKER_06: That's the goal.
1:31:32
SPEAKER_06: So you want to open up avenues behind you for other people to give a positive representation of whatever your movement is.
1:31:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:31:40
SPEAKER_06: So if you're willing to sacrifice the fame and fortune and notoriety in order to make your point and do what you want to do, do what you have to do as an artist and have the independence to do it, it's gonna come with some sacrifice and you have to be willing to do that.
1:31:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's possible, honestly.
1:31:53
SPEAKER_01: I think it is because we don't know any independent famous actors, like the two.
1:31:58
SPEAKER_06: When you say that, like who's us?
1:32:00
SPEAKER_06: The people in this room?
1:32:01
SPEAKER_01: Like the common man.
1:32:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, like I'm not into film like that.
1:32:04
SPEAKER_06: But those with the minds to go and look for it will do it.
1:32:06
SPEAKER_06: Now when you get older, you gotta want to do that.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_01: You know, how do I I can't become Will Smith doing it the way that you're talking about?
1:32:12
SPEAKER_06: Of course not, but why do I want to be Will Smith?
1:32:13
SPEAKER_01: Because that's what I want to be, is really six degrees separation.
1:32:15
SPEAKER_06: Um what I'm gonna say to you is Godfrey, let me ask you a question.
1:32:18
SPEAKER_06: What I'm holding on let me say one more thing too.
1:32:20
SPEAKER_06: Um I lost the thought.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_06: Go ahead.
1:32:22
SPEAKER_01: I just lost.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're you're you want to respond to him?
1:32:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:32:25
SPEAKER_02: Because you said you said Tyler Perry has open roles for black people, yes, people, but he's also going back the route of He went back into the industry.
1:32:35
SPEAKER_02: The industry route.
1:32:36
SPEAKER_02: Why do you think that happened?
1:32:38
SPEAKER_06: Because um there's an aspect to what he used to get there that is aligned with what the industry is promoting.
1:32:45
SPEAKER_06: Which is and uh him in a dress, that that went on too long for my liking.
1:32:49
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was a it effeminizes the black man, and because he's 6'5 and he's a he's a masculine-looking man, but he's uh presenting himself, he's uh effeminizing the masculine image, it goes aligned, it aligns with certain uh things.
1:33:02
SPEAKER_06: In that same way, and you know, unfortunately.
1:33:05
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:33:06
SPEAKER_01: When they take the biggest, strongest, healthiest black male they can find on the plantation and rape him in front of everybody.
1:33:12
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:33:13
SPEAKER_06: Basically.
1:33:14
SPEAKER_06: And that everyone who's under him, all the other not as they're like, that's our strongest.
1:33:19
SPEAKER_01: They're doing that to him.
1:33:20
SPEAKER_03: Wait, wait, wait.
1:33:21
SPEAKER_03: Who the the slave owners was doing that?
1:33:24
SPEAKER_03: They know that, bro?
1:33:24
SPEAKER_03: Yo, yo, that's what that yo, don't they dumb down what slavery was.
1:33:28
SPEAKER_02: That's why so anti-Now, this is my thing.
1:33:32
SPEAKER_02: Now, if you're saying gator babies too when you get a chance to get it.
1:33:35
SPEAKER_02: If you said that's wild.
1:33:36
SPEAKER_02: Y'all want to be friends with the gate babies?
1:33:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure.
1:33:40
SPEAKER_01: There's good white people out there.
1:33:41
SPEAKER_06: So I thought transgenerational epigenetic inheritance.
1:33:44
SPEAKER_02: Godfrey, you said that this hat that the wearing the dress went on too long, this that and the third.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_02: And you said that you felt like he went back there because there was just something in the industry.
1:33:54
SPEAKER_06: The way I know that is because he came up off of plays when he was playing Madea, right?
1:33:57
SPEAKER_06: And yeah, once he transitioned into film, I thought that he could have done three or four films where he was still Madea, and then from there he had enough notoriety where he could just leave that alone.
1:34:05
SPEAKER_06: But it still pops up in almost somewhere in his films, you're gonna see Madea.
1:34:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, now let me ask you a question.
1:34:10
SPEAKER_02: Do you ever think it's because that is my niche, that's my moneymaker, that's what sells, so I'm gonna do what you're gonna to keep making my coins.
1:34:18
SPEAKER_02: And that's my argument against joining the industry.
1:34:20
SPEAKER_02: Jay-Z stopped selling drugs.
1:34:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on.
1:34:23
SPEAKER_02: See, this is now this is my analysis about the whole situation.
1:34:26
SPEAKER_02: Stay with the film though, but I don't see my example.
1:34:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that he definitely stopped drugs today.
1:34:32
SPEAKER_02: What?
1:34:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't think personally, but I think he has people around him that doesn't have dirty work.
1:34:38
SPEAKER_02: That's my opinion.
1:34:39
SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
1:34:40
SPEAKER_01: I think he got niggas doing dirty work, but that's neither here nor there.
1:34:43
SPEAKER_02: Jay-Z still somehow, somewhere has his foot in drugs.
1:34:46
SPEAKER_02: But that's neither here nor there.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_02: Like I said, if I go and I create my own black film, right?
1:34:56
SPEAKER_02: It does absolutely well.
1:34:57
SPEAKER_02: Get out.
1:34:58
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:34:59
SPEAKER_02: Now, the industry offers me a deal that they could guarantee me to make, let's say, six times the amount next year, right?
1:35:05
SPEAKER_02: I take the deal because I'm like, you know what?
1:35:07
SPEAKER_02: I have a family feed, I had kids.
1:35:09
SPEAKER_02: You gotta wear a six.
1:35:10
SPEAKER_02: No, I gotta wear, I gotta do the same thing I did in Madea.
1:35:13
SPEAKER_02: But in a dress.
1:35:14
SPEAKER_02: No, Madea had a dress.
1:35:15
SPEAKER_02: I gotta do the same thing, and they guarantee I can make six times my coins.
1:35:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do it because you you I look at it, I may have a mouth to feed, I may have kids.
1:35:23
SPEAKER_02: It's not even about that.
1:35:24
SPEAKER_02: I may have kids, I may have a family that wanna get out the hood.
1:35:27
SPEAKER_02: You never know what your stipulation could be.
1:35:31
SPEAKER_02: Are they excuses?
1:35:33
SPEAKER_06: Yes, they are, because everyone likes to likes to play that game where it's like, oh, I'm trying to feed mouths.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_06: You can still feed mouths.
1:35:38
SPEAKER_06: You don't have to have six figures to do that.
1:35:40
SPEAKER_06: You're gonna be able to do it.
1:35:40
SPEAKER_06: But you gotta think about it.
1:35:41
SPEAKER_06: Oh, not six or seven, eight figures.
1:35:42
SPEAKER_06: But you gotta think about you want it.
1:35:44
SPEAKER_06: It no longer is about me feeding mouths.
1:35:46
SPEAKER_06: You gotta think about it.
1:35:50
SPEAKER_00: Feed them and like live the way I want to live.
1:35:52
SPEAKER_06: Yo, listen, if your impact is if you gotta think about it.
1:35:55
SPEAKER_06: One of the time, gentlemen.
1:35:56
SPEAKER_06: That is far more, that goes way more than the money that you just have.
1:36:00
SPEAKER_06: And I guarantee you, you can still use that.
1:36:02
SPEAKER_06: You see, there's different levels to money.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_06: You hear about the$10 million, and there's a guy who might have$2 million.
1:36:07
SPEAKER_06: That two million dollars, if stewarded the right way, can turn into$10 million in the next generation and a hundred in the next.
1:36:12
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:36:13
SPEAKER_06: So we don't necessarily have to make the most by compromising our integrity and our culture and our families and our self-image.
1:36:20
SPEAKER_06: To get it ten.
1:36:21
SPEAKER_06: Godfrey, listen.
1:36:22
SPEAKER_02: You want to fast the fastest money.
1:36:25
SPEAKER_02: Godfrey, listen to the money.
1:36:28
SPEAKER_02: In the next generation, and that's why.
1:36:30
SPEAKER_02: In the next generation.
1:36:32
SPEAKER_02: You're living for the next generation.
1:36:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, but you're one in every so few handful.
1:36:36
SPEAKER_02: Because a lot of motherfuckers these days, we're living for today because tomorrow's never promised.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_02: So if you could tell me that I could get six times my cat my coins tomorrow, guess what the fuck I am doing?
1:36:47
SPEAKER_02: If I wore a dress in the first woman, you told me all I gotta do is the same shit and I got six times my coins.
1:36:53
SPEAKER_02: I am going to do the same shit and get six times my coins.
1:36:56
SPEAKER_02: Alright, Botti Martin.
1:36:57
SPEAKER_02: I can't tell you, I can't tell you that I'm gonna do it for 20 years.
1:37:01
SPEAKER_02: That's a little off to me that you did it that long.
1:37:04
SPEAKER_02: But if you tell me, but that's what I'm saying.
1:37:06
SPEAKER_02: But if you tell me, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1:37:09
SPEAKER_02: See, that's what I'm saying.
1:37:10
SPEAKER_02: When you turn the boat.
1:37:11
SPEAKER_01: 20 years and address for 100 million dollars?
1:37:13
SPEAKER_02: Nigga, for 100 million dollars for 20 years.
1:37:16
SPEAKER_02: 100 billion for 20 fucking years.
1:37:18
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you're gonna wear the dress.
1:37:19
SPEAKER_02: How many films I got doing 20 years?
1:37:21
SPEAKER_02: You have to do it in address.
1:37:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't give a fuck.
1:37:24
SPEAKER_01: When I say dress, you gotta wear it.
1:37:25
SPEAKER_01: You're a whole million dollars.
1:37:27
SPEAKER_01: You expensive.
1:37:29
SPEAKER_01: I can't, I can't.
1:37:32
SPEAKER_01: How much money that is?
1:37:37
SPEAKER_02: Just say that.
1:37:38
SPEAKER_06: Your children would never look at you like a man.
1:37:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be how you're gonna be honest.
1:37:42
SPEAKER_02: My daddy gotta wear a dress.
1:37:45
SPEAKER_02: But you could go to school in a band at the age of 14.
1:37:49
SPEAKER_02: I mean your daddy with a dress.
1:37:50
SPEAKER_02: You gotta test the yo.
1:37:53
SPEAKER_01: They drop you over in the dress.
1:37:55
SPEAKER_01: People gonna use your dad's name joke.
1:37:58
SPEAKER_01: Like, you gonna say that and you know what I'm gonna tell that nigga?
1:38:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm fucking your sister, your mom, and your bitch, with my tesla, niggas.
1:38:06
SPEAKER_02: So nigga, young dog won't address.
1:38:08
SPEAKER_02: What we say?
1:38:10
SPEAKER_02: But y'all niggas still like this nigga.
1:38:12
SPEAKER_02: Don't say y'all niggas come on.
1:38:15
SPEAKER_02: I'm getting my coins.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_02: That's my thing.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_00: So you was gonna live for like a separate.
1:38:21
SPEAKER_00: If you tell me 20 years, why can't I?
1:38:23
SPEAKER_00: You tell me 20 years?
1:38:26
SPEAKER_00: So let's save every average person.
1:38:28
SPEAKER_00: So Martin Launch was to save you.
1:38:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm not talking about saving the average person.
1:38:32
SPEAKER_06: I'm talking about saving our people.
1:38:33
SPEAKER_06: So let me ask you question.
1:38:33
SPEAKER_02: Martin Launchmore.
1:38:35
SPEAKER_02: What's Martin Launchwrong?
1:38:36
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
1:38:37
SPEAKER_01: I think that was his idea.
1:38:38
SPEAKER_01: I think that's the difference.
1:38:39
SPEAKER_01: I was we talking about Tyler Perry late.
1:38:40
SPEAKER_01: Because Martin Launchmore addressed.
1:38:41
SPEAKER_01: Nah, but I think that was his idea, though.
1:38:44
SPEAKER_06: That's the difference.
1:38:45
SPEAKER_02: So when Tyler Perry did his first thing, that was the thing.
1:38:50
SPEAKER_06: He was too big at that point to still be doing stuff like Big Mama's house, bro.
1:38:53
SPEAKER_02: I think it's wrong.
1:38:54
SPEAKER_02: Bro, my nigga in his TV show, he was Shenana and all that.
1:38:57
SPEAKER_02: That was his idea he wrote that.
1:38:58
SPEAKER_06: He wrote that.
1:38:59
SPEAKER_02: So, so but but that's what I'm saying.
1:39:00
SPEAKER_02: In Medea, Tyler Perry wrote that.
1:39:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he wrote the plays and stuff like that.
1:39:04
SPEAKER_01: But his theme is you should move away from that eventually.
1:39:06
SPEAKER_02: Bro, but if this is what's making me my coins, why am I gonna change my niche to maybe not make my coins?
1:39:12
SPEAKER_02: That's how niggas look.
1:39:13
SPEAKER_03: And that's something that he created.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_03: Because think about it.
1:39:15
SPEAKER_03: Think about it.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_03: That's why rappers get stuck in that one lane.
1:39:18
SPEAKER_02: Because if I made my money and I would kept making my money off a drill rap, a lot of rappers ain't gonna switch because I was making my coins.
1:39:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna smoke you right now.
1:39:26
SPEAKER_01: Who's the most rich and relevant rapper right now?
1:39:29
SPEAKER_01: Drake.
1:39:30
SPEAKER_01: You don't think it's Drake?
1:39:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Drake.
1:39:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay, how many different times has this dude reinvented himself?
1:39:34
SPEAKER_01: One out of how many, nigga?
1:39:36
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm trying to show.
1:39:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna use the exit.
1:39:39
SPEAKER_01: But that's what I'm saying.
1:39:39
SPEAKER_01: One out of how many.
1:39:40
SPEAKER_01: You gotta look at the statistics, bro.
1:39:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Kanye is another one.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_01: He reinvents reinvents himself every album.
1:39:45
SPEAKER_01: Kanye's still making his coins?
1:39:47
SPEAKER_01: Yo, Kanye is rich as fuck.
1:39:49
SPEAKER_01: Drake is rich.
1:39:50
SPEAKER_01: He's still making the same amount of coins.
1:39:51
SPEAKER_01: He's making more money.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_01: No, he's not.
1:39:53
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he is.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna argue with me.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_01: How much he gets?
1:39:55
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna see how much this album.
1:39:57
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna see how much this album sells.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_01: No, he don't give a these dudes don't give a fuck about music no more.
1:40:03
SPEAKER_02: Then that's their problem.
1:40:04
SPEAKER_02: They do it out of real problem.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_02: Alright, you gonna wear a problem?
1:40:07
SPEAKER_01: That's why it would never change.
1:40:08
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna wear dress for 100 bills.
1:40:09
SPEAKER_01: We're cool with that.
1:40:11
SPEAKER_02: I know you would.
1:40:12
SPEAKER_02: I would.
1:40:12
SPEAKER_02: For$100 billion, I'll put it on for a movie.
1:40:15
SPEAKER_02: I know that.
1:40:15
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
1:40:16
SPEAKER_02: It's fine.
1:40:16
SPEAKER_02: So for$100 billion, you wouldn't.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_01: I would.
1:40:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry with it.
1:40:18
SPEAKER_01: What if they do something?
1:40:19
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so when I give my$100 bill, I give you a pill.
1:40:21
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, but I'm just not gonna wear a dress.
1:40:23
SPEAKER_01: Because at the end of the day, I want to be able to go home and do much.
1:40:25
SPEAKER_01: Discipline my children.
1:40:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it nigga, if I'm still disciplining my children, there's no way they could be mad that I played Big Mama's house for 20 million.
1:40:40
SPEAKER_02: For a movie.
1:40:42
SPEAKER_02: It's a fairy tale.
1:40:46
SPEAKER_00: Come on, bro.
1:40:46
SPEAKER_00: That's not gonna happen.
1:40:50
SPEAKER_00: So let me ask you a question.
1:40:52
SPEAKER_01: Will Smith's kids look at look at him like that?
1:40:54
SPEAKER_01: Will Smith's kids are weird as fuck.
1:41:00
SPEAKER_06: Nah, but Will Smith, I don't think he's ever wore a dress.
1:41:02
SPEAKER_06: He just had that one film.
1:41:03
SPEAKER_06: I remember him in the address.
1:41:05
SPEAKER_01: Um you see Will Smith in the dress?
1:41:06
SPEAKER_01: Didn't he play a gay role?
1:41:09
SPEAKER_06: He plays gay roll or he even did the gay role in the world.
1:41:13
SPEAKER_02: So now let me ask you a question.
1:41:15
SPEAKER_02: It's still there, nigga.
1:41:16
SPEAKER_02: No, I know.
1:41:18
SPEAKER_02: As me knowing you, as me knowing that, right?
1:41:20
SPEAKER_02: Let's say me and Jaden were the same year, right?
1:41:22
SPEAKER_02: I could be like, Jaden, your father kissed a man, bitch.
1:41:25
SPEAKER_02: Like, the fuck?
1:41:26
SPEAKER_02: You still have that over your head.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_00: I would rather wear a dress than a nigga could tell me I'm gay.
1:41:31
SPEAKER_00: It's not like how when we was going to school.
1:41:32
SPEAKER_00: It's 2019.
1:41:34
SPEAKER_00: These kids ain't gonna make fun of you for having a dad that wears a dress.
1:41:37
SPEAKER_00: You are drunk.
1:41:37
SPEAKER_00: They're gonna be like, They're gonna be like, oh shit, my dad wears a dress too.
1:41:40
SPEAKER_00: You are drunk.
1:41:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, bro.
1:41:44
SPEAKER_06: Now you said yo, the schools you went to with nigger nickname.
1:41:48
SPEAKER_01: We was getting our ass cut.
1:41:49
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna come to school with your dad on a dress.
1:41:54
SPEAKER_01: Even if they don't make fun of you in the shit, bro.
1:41:56
SPEAKER_01: They can't do shit.
1:41:57
SPEAKER_06: Even if they don't make you fun of you in school, like there's something called like social media.
1:42:01
SPEAKER_06: You'll be tagged in all kinds of wild memes.
1:42:06
SPEAKER_00: So you never answer the question.
1:42:08
SPEAKER_00: Of course I'm gonna keep making music even though it's uh destinal to the to our people.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_00: So you don't think that um that wasn't really my question.
1:42:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that wasn't the first question.
1:42:17
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:42:17
SPEAKER_01: I was asked that.
1:42:18
SPEAKER_06: It's called a Freudian slip.
1:42:20
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we should.
1:42:20
SPEAKER_01: I just want you to um now that you know the industry you're getting into, it's very like this rapper's like the Y OK Osiris kid.
1:42:26
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, I don't know if I'm saying his name right.
1:42:28
SPEAKER_01: He recently said that the music industry is the devil.
1:42:30
SPEAKER_00: Now you know why he said that?
1:42:31
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:42:32
SPEAKER_00: He just dropped a project.
1:42:33
SPEAKER_00: You know how much that shit did?
1:42:34
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't know.
1:42:35
SPEAKER_00: She did less than 10,000 in a week.
1:42:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:42:37
SPEAKER_00: Now a nigga like me, like a thousand in a week is like really, really, really good.
1:42:42
SPEAKER_00: If you have a major behind you and you're doing less than ten thousand in a week, you might as well be the nigga on the block.
1:42:47
SPEAKER_00: You might as well be me.
1:42:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:42:49
SPEAKER_00: Like, and I'm pretty sure he's in a deal with the the labels funding him a lot of money.
1:42:52
SPEAKER_00: So all he looked at an album, all he looked at the album is now I'm a slave, because somehow I gotta pay the shit.
1:42:57
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because they put you on the shelf if you're not successful.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_05: You're stuck in a contract.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_05: You can't even make it.
1:43:01
SPEAKER_00: What am I gonna say?
1:43:02
SPEAKER_00: The same, I'm signed to a label, right?
1:43:04
SPEAKER_00: And I'm telling everybody that as soon as you sign on the dollar line, you are you are s you you sold your soul.
1:43:10
SPEAKER_00: So what are you saying?
1:43:11
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
1:43:12
SPEAKER_00: You didn't know that before you signed the deal?
1:43:14
SPEAKER_06: They do know that.
1:43:15
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:43:15
SPEAKER_00: But why do you wait until your album flops to say that?
1:43:18
SPEAKER_00: Because nobody thinks the album's gonna flop, I think.
1:43:20
SPEAKER_00: I think Cool, yeah, right?
1:43:21
SPEAKER_00: You think that, but as soon as it flops and you you looking for a way to like promote your shit, which way do you go?
1:43:27
SPEAKER_00: You gotta jump out the window.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_06: That's my main thing.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_06: Is like if you were gonna sit here, look at the contract and agree to it, bet.
1:43:32
SPEAKER_06: Just be prepared for what comes with that.
1:43:34
SPEAKER_06: If you're gonna sign a hundred million dollar contract and wear a dress, be prepared for the 20-year contract you have to live through.
1:43:40
SPEAKER_06: You might feel like in your telling, yo, this is getting out of hand, b you on a c you're in a 20-year contract though.
1:43:44
SPEAKER_00: And it's and it's probably what you're saying.
1:43:46
SPEAKER_06: You might develop mentally and decide, like, I don't want to do this anymore.
1:43:48
SPEAKER_06: I want to do something for my people, but you're in a 20-year contract.
1:43:50
SPEAKER_01: So knowing so knowing all of this, you still want to go away from gung house.
1:43:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think a lot of niggas be like frying and shit.
1:43:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think that why K do I like I think that's just a whole stunt.
1:43:59
SPEAKER_01: So you don't think there's any delight.
1:44:00
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
1:44:01
SPEAKER_01: I think there definitely is.
1:44:02
SPEAKER_01: I think it definitely is.
1:44:03
SPEAKER_01: I think it definitely is.
1:44:04
SPEAKER_00: Nah, I think I think there definitely is.
1:44:06
SPEAKER_00: I just think in his case, first of all, this day and age, there's more control the artist has than you may think.
1:44:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:44:11
SPEAKER_00: I guess like in the film thing, we were talking about the independent shit.
1:44:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, I wouldn't know how that worked.
1:44:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:44:15
SPEAKER_00: But for the music shit, you could definitely own all your shit with and make a lot of money without like ever signing a major deal.
1:44:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I believe so.
1:44:23
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, to the faster you want to move up the chain, you should sign with a major.
1:44:27
SPEAKER_00: But you could make like this kid, this dude Russ, that nigga's killing.
1:44:31
SPEAKER_00: And I don't think he signed to anybody.
1:44:33
SPEAKER_00: He's an anomaly, though.
1:44:34
SPEAKER_00: His dad can't get a lot of things.
1:44:37
SPEAKER_00: Of course, and you even got chances kind of like the same too.
1:44:39
SPEAKER_00: Like his situation is special.
1:44:41
SPEAKER_00: But you could you could be somebody that dead ass could get in and get out.
1:44:44
SPEAKER_00: Like a J.
1:44:44
SPEAKER_00: Cole, obviously, he's a special type of artist as well.
1:44:47
SPEAKER_00: But you could easily decide you want to make the money you want to make, you could come and get that money and just move behind the scenes.
1:44:53
SPEAKER_00: You could be a still family man, you could be somebody like uh like Dave V S I bring up a lot.
1:44:57
SPEAKER_00: He's he's not super famous, but he's super comfortable, and I don't think to be in that level of hip hop, you don't have to sell your soul to get to that point.
1:45:05
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:45:06
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to.
1:45:06
SPEAKER_01: But what what is your goal though?
1:45:08
SPEAKER_01: Do you want to be in the upper excellent hip-hop?
1:45:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I want to be one of the biggest niggas ever.
1:45:11
SPEAKER_01: So to get there, you don't think you have to compromise some integrity?
1:45:14
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you have to be more loyal to whatever the movement is.
1:45:18
SPEAKER_01: Do I have to do anything gay?
1:45:19
SPEAKER_01: No, you just have to make music about, you know, like we're gonna we want to put some image of you that you're a gangster, killer, rapper, and you know better now.
1:45:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm I'm sure.
1:45:28
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if you want to make that type of music.
1:45:30
SPEAKER_01: Like you want to make parties.
1:45:32
SPEAKER_00: If I can't make the music I want to make, that that would be the most thing that would stop me from.
1:45:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's my thing.
1:45:37
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna sit down with an exec, you're gonna bring all these party songs and be like, this is cool and all, but we want you to add more lyrics about you killing people.
1:45:45
SPEAKER_00: Can I chime in real quick?
1:45:46
SPEAKER_06: Let's make it happen.
1:45:47
SPEAKER_06: Can I chime in real quick on the case?
1:45:48
SPEAKER_00: Because you don't have to stand on the music you make.
1:45:51
SPEAKER_00: Clearly, it shows with 6ix9ine.
1:45:53
SPEAKER_00: This nigga's about to come out.
1:45:54
SPEAKER_00: We don't know whether he's gonna sell or not, but there's obviously some interest.
1:45:58
SPEAKER_00: There's some interest for his music.
1:45:59
SPEAKER_00: I think he might be able to get it.
1:46:00
SPEAKER_00: So we know you know he's not a gangster, we know he's a ri, but he still has enough interest to continue making music.
1:46:05
SPEAKER_00: You know what's the crazy part about it?
1:46:07
SPEAKER_02: How much his stock has risen.
1:46:10
SPEAKER_02: Has risen.
1:46:11
SPEAKER_02: Rose has rise, risen, has risen.
1:46:15
SPEAKER_02: His integrity since you're saying, but he gave up his integrity, right?
1:46:20
SPEAKER_02: To us.
1:46:21
SPEAKER_02: You have a mess.
1:46:22
SPEAKER_02: No, nigga, not to him.
1:46:23
SPEAKER_02: He gave up his way.
1:46:24
SPEAKER_01: Why do you think these people keep making songs about how they fucking sad and angry and oh they don't care, they can't trust their friends.
1:46:31
SPEAKER_01: They make a lot of depressing shit because they give up something when they think alone.
1:46:36
SPEAKER_02: If you really sit back and think about it, like to use 6ix9ine as an example, he gave up Hernandez as a gave up integrity once he cooperated, you know, because now it's like you look like a rat that no matter how much niggas could say this and third, you rat or whatever, niggas don't like rats.
1:46:54
SPEAKER_02: Nobody likes rat.
1:46:55
SPEAKER_02: Rats don't like rats.
1:46:56
SPEAKER_00: Supposedly.
1:47:00
SPEAKER_02: That's the image, that's the image that everybody portrays today.
1:47:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
1:47:04
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:47:04
SPEAKER_02: Nobody likes rats.
1:47:05
SPEAKER_02: And he sat he sat there and sacrificed the fact that knowing everybody's gonna know he came out as a rat.
1:47:10
SPEAKER_02: And then that third, and the fact that your stock rose after that, like, that is crazy.
1:47:19
SPEAKER_02: Like that people out here that saying that we don't fuck with rats still are chiming in for that.
1:47:23
SPEAKER_02: Like, think about like this.
1:47:25
SPEAKER_02: If everybody said that they didn't give a fuck about a rat and everybody knew that he was gonna snitch.
1:47:29
SPEAKER_02: Everybody knew he was gonna snitch from day one, right?
1:47:31
SPEAKER_02: Because besides you.
1:47:32
SPEAKER_02: Because well, whatever.
1:47:34
SPEAKER_02: But because everybody could sit back and put themselves in that position if you really sit back and think about it.
1:47:39
SPEAKER_02: Like, no, I wasn't writing about yeah, but like there's certain people that was that won't rap, but if you put a common regular person in that situation where all that alleged stuff that they said happened to him and his babs and everything, that if it really happened, a lot of motherfuckers are gonna snitch in this world.
1:47:54
SPEAKER_01: I think most people that don't have integrity would have snitched.
1:47:57
SPEAKER_00: That's literally what you have to do is weigh with integrity or 47 years.
1:48:01
SPEAKER_00: Nigga, 47 to life.
1:48:03
SPEAKER_00: You think I'm saying it's always gonna be something that cup comes at a cost.
1:48:06
SPEAKER_01: To life.
1:48:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna lose that.
1:48:08
SPEAKER_01: Remember, 47 to life.
1:48:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm gonna me per it's dumb, but my integrity is.
1:48:12
SPEAKER_00: You're also gonna be in I I understand, like, if if I definitely was in in a six nine position, I would have took the years because I participated in this shit.
1:48:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the only reason I would have racked.
1:48:21
SPEAKER_05: That's a man's decision by the way, what you just said.
1:48:23
SPEAKER_00: But also, like, if if if if I'm still if I'm in this lifestyle and like they try to pin me for some shit, and I only way out is to snitch, what are you gonna do?
1:48:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, let's say, like, I'm still in this gang life, but these niggas try to plant a gun on me.
1:48:37
SPEAKER_00: What but you know whose gun it is.
1:48:39
SPEAKER_00: You supposed to still like stand on that?
1:48:41
SPEAKER_00: Because you blame a man if he doesn't stand on that.
1:48:43
SPEAKER_06: Right.
1:48:44
SPEAKER_06: Can we can we say something real quick?
1:48:45
SPEAKER_06: This is why I went wrong saying what I was saying before.
1:48:47
SPEAKER_06: Like, if it's you have two decisions in front of you.
1:48:49
SPEAKER_06: You have two types of thieves.
1:48:50
SPEAKER_06: One person gets caught by the cops, they cry, oh, please forgive me if they get in there in front of the judge, please let me go.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_06: I'm sorry, I'm gonna change my life, yada yada, I'll snitch on whoever.
1:48:57
SPEAKER_06: Other person, they say, I bet yeah, I did that.
1:49:00
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna take the years.
1:49:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:49:01
SPEAKER_06: The difference is one person knew there's a chance I'm gonna get years for this, and they knew the cost of what the lifestyle or the choice he was gonna make, and they said, I'm willing to deal with it.
1:49:09
SPEAKER_06: If you're not willing to take what comes with your decisions, then that's not the decision you should make.
1:49:13
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:49:14
SPEAKER_06: And that is a decision, that's something you have to come to with yourself in all aspects of life.
1:49:17
SPEAKER_06: So if you know you're taking a risk, you have to know that the worst case scenario is this, and I'm willing to live with that.
1:49:23
SPEAKER_01: So, Godfrey, let me ask you a question.
1:49:24
SPEAKER_01: These should be the final thoughts, by the way, on this topic.
1:49:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is the final question.
1:49:27
SPEAKER_02: Godfrey, let me ask you a question because I want to see your input on this.
1:49:30
SPEAKER_02: Let's say all five of us is riding in the car.
1:49:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:49:32
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:49:33
SPEAKER_02: It's my car, right?
1:49:35
SPEAKER_02: We're riding around, we go apart, we get pulled over.
1:49:38
SPEAKER_02: There's a gun in the trunk.
1:49:40
SPEAKER_02: They everybody keeps quiet.
1:49:43
SPEAKER_02: They tell everybody straight up, yo, if nobody admits that it's their gun, everybody gain two years.
1:49:49
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:49:50
SPEAKER_02: Whose gun is it?
1:49:50
SPEAKER_02: It's my gun.
1:49:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at you.
1:49:52
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:49:52
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, hold on, hold on.
1:49:53
SPEAKER_02: Listen, listen, listen, listen.
1:49:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's up to you, yeah.
1:49:57
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna be like, you know what?
1:49:58
SPEAKER_02: Everybody gets two years.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:50:00
SPEAKER_02: It's my gun.
1:50:01
SPEAKER_02: But if I admit to the gun, they're giving me 12 years.
1:50:04
SPEAKER_02: Nigga, you better eat that.
1:50:07
SPEAKER_02: You want to split.
1:50:08
SPEAKER_02: Nah, but that's what I'm saying.
1:50:10
SPEAKER_02: As real niggas, would a real would a real man not be like, you know what?
1:50:13
SPEAKER_02: I knew for a fact fact I put myself in the predicament of being in the car with this gun.
1:50:16
SPEAKER_02: Fuck it.
1:50:17
SPEAKER_02: We'll all take the two years.
1:50:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everybody knew the gun was it.
1:50:20
SPEAKER_02: I made that decision, guys.
1:50:21
SPEAKER_02: You feel me?
1:50:21
SPEAKER_02: Would would you take the gun?
1:50:23
SPEAKER_02: Would you take the charge and take two years, even though that gun has nothing to you?
1:50:28
SPEAKER_02: I would have wanted.
1:50:28
SPEAKER_06: Let me answer that question for you real quick.
1:50:30
SPEAKER_06: If I'm answering by like putting myself in your position.
1:50:32
SPEAKER_06: It's my car, my gun.
1:50:34
SPEAKER_06: I'm not letting y'all take two years for me.
1:50:35
SPEAKER_06: I'm taking my 12 years from my gun and my car.
1:50:38
SPEAKER_01: I would have done the same thing.
1:50:39
SPEAKER_06: That's what it is.
1:50:40
SPEAKER_06: That's the decision I'm talking about.
1:50:42
SPEAKER_06: That's not what he told you.
1:50:43
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
1:50:44
SPEAKER_02: But I understand my two years.
1:50:47
SPEAKER_06: First of all, it's a weird situation to be in because like No, we all best of friends.
1:50:51
SPEAKER_06: Alright.
1:50:52
SPEAKER_06: The cops can tell you what they want to tell you, but if you say I didn't had no idea there was a gun in the car, and you say, like, I don't even know what's going on, like I don't know anything about this, they can't give you two years just because you were there.
1:51:00
SPEAKER_06: They cannot do that.
1:51:01
SPEAKER_06: Nah, they they I know because they threaten you, and that's what catches a lot of people.
1:51:04
SPEAKER_06: They say, Oh, you're about to get this.
1:51:05
SPEAKER_06: He already squealed on you.
1:51:06
SPEAKER_06: People fall for that.
1:51:08
SPEAKER_02: But the only thing you gotta do, tell them straight up, test it for DNA.
1:51:11
SPEAKER_02: But the situation is we're best of friends.
1:51:14
SPEAKER_02: Would you legit be on some like, nah, we all don't know just so we could all get two years and everybody be home?
1:51:21
SPEAKER_02: Or would you be on some shit like, nah, like nigga, you like you gotta take that gun.
1:51:25
SPEAKER_02: You feel me?
1:51:26
SPEAKER_01: I would want you to take it, I would want you to take the gun charge, but I would also I would still be mad at you if I ended up with two years, but I'm not gonna snitch.
1:51:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna say it's your gun.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_01: But I would definitely be upset at you if you didn't take the time.
1:51:39
SPEAKER_01: I would expect you to say this my gun.
1:51:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would want you to take the time.
1:51:42
SPEAKER_02: You would expect me to take the time.
1:51:43
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, right?
1:51:44
SPEAKER_06: Because if you're my best of friends, I would understand that you know each other on that level.
1:51:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, but would you be mad if we all spoke and be like, all right, listen.
1:51:52
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:51:52
SPEAKER_01: Because if we all spoke, I'm the one nigga like, no, I think Daddy should go to fucking jail for him.
1:51:57
SPEAKER_01: But hold on, right there if you like.
1:51:58
SPEAKER_01: I agree.
1:51:59
SPEAKER_01: You would destroy it.
1:52:00
SPEAKER_01: All five of our lives.
1:52:01
SPEAKER_01: I brought this gun out to protect us.
1:52:02
SPEAKER_01: I'll be like, I didn't tell you to do that.
1:52:04
SPEAKER_01: Really?
1:52:06
SPEAKER_06: Am I willing to destroy five lives or just mine for a decision I made?
1:52:09
SPEAKER_01: Because it's not just the two years.
1:52:10
SPEAKER_01: We all get out, can't get a fucking job.
1:52:12
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
1:52:12
SPEAKER_01: You all gonna be fucked up.
1:52:14
SPEAKER_01: I get out before y'all got me.
1:52:16
SPEAKER_06: But if if all four, all five of us messed up, that's five lives, five families.
1:52:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm not right.
1:52:21
SPEAKER_00: So we knew he came out with the gun to protect us.
1:52:24
SPEAKER_00: Like in case we get to the game.
1:52:28
SPEAKER_01: I know this, but if we get stopped, what's gonna happen?
1:52:30
SPEAKER_01: You better take that fucking chart.
1:52:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's it.
1:52:33
SPEAKER_01: Nah, nah, nah.
1:52:34
SPEAKER_03: At that point, I'm telling the jail, just leave the gun in the car then.
1:52:40
SPEAKER_03: If we about to leave and like I know you got the gun in the car, I'd be like, yo, just leave that, leave that in the house.
1:52:45
SPEAKER_03: But what if he's like, nah, I don't care.
1:52:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like that.
1:52:48
SPEAKER_02: Last time we went out, these niggas was front on the city.
1:52:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like or the last time we went to this area, some niggas really try to let off.
1:52:53
SPEAKER_02: Like, we should have known it.
1:52:55
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna say, like, if we the best friends, y'all know me.
1:52:57
SPEAKER_06: I'm like, nah, bro.
1:52:58
SPEAKER_06: I'm not about that like.
1:52:59
SPEAKER_01: So if you say we go, I'ma go.
1:53:00
SPEAKER_06: Y'all gonna understand me.
1:53:01
SPEAKER_01: But I'm gonna be I'm gonna be pissed if we go to jail, all of them.
1:53:04
SPEAKER_02: Like, see, cause that's why I'm not gonna snitch that.
1:53:06
SPEAKER_02: How all how I put myself in that predicament.
1:53:08
SPEAKER_02: I would be mad if you don't man up.
1:53:12
SPEAKER_02: But if like, you know like how they they tell you whatever the deal, the plea deal, and then we all sit down, like, alright, what we doing?
1:53:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, if you brought it up, let's say it's your gun and you brought it up, yeah.
1:53:21
SPEAKER_02: To me, like, yo, I think we should all just take the two so we all come home.
1:53:25
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't, I wouldn't I wouldn't, I wouldn't just jump at you and be like, you're fucking crazy because at the end of the day, how I look at it is it's it's a fucked up, and it's like you're you're you're you're basically in uh behind a wall in a hard place.
1:53:40
SPEAKER_02: Like it's a fucked up situation.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_02: It's not true.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_02: And I know for a fact you can take 12 years, but the shit that could go on could be worse, and you could end up being like, you know, kill dying in jail or killing yourself than taking the two years and what you call it.
1:53:55
SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
1:53:56
SPEAKER_02: Because if you really think about it, you take that 12 and you die.
1:54:02
SPEAKER_01: Because we all go get out looking each other, so we be working now.
1:54:06
SPEAKER_01: So how about UPS to go to the room?
1:54:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say we didn't get stopped.
1:54:13
SPEAKER_00: They kind of had the gun on me, really.
1:54:15
SPEAKER_00: That's fine though.
1:54:16
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:54:18
SPEAKER_00: Who taking shot?
1:54:20
SPEAKER_00: I blacked the gun out like y'all niggas better back up.
1:54:22
SPEAKER_00: And then the end of the whole situation.
1:54:26
SPEAKER_00: On the way home after that, like we get pulled over.
1:54:28
SPEAKER_01: Now, like even though we like you saved the soul, take the take the charge, uh take the 12, nigga.
1:54:34
SPEAKER_01: We go to the screen.
1:54:37
SPEAKER_00: We all do two.
1:54:38
SPEAKER_00: They're gonna separate us.
1:54:40
SPEAKER_06: Going to jail for two years and having some beef on the block, like both of those can equate to death just so you know.
1:54:45
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, but listen, our saved all our lives.
1:54:48
SPEAKER_06: Let's let me save all our lives again.
1:54:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm not snitching on myself.
1:54:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm not snitching.
1:54:54
SPEAKER_01: You say I don't give a fuck.
1:54:55
SPEAKER_01: We all go to jail.
1:54:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna be like, damn, I fucked the wrong nigga.
1:54:58
SPEAKER_01: That's me.
1:54:59
SPEAKER_01: That's all me.
1:55:00
SPEAKER_01: We not the best of friends no more.
1:55:03
SPEAKER_02: That's all I'm saying.
1:55:04
SPEAKER_00: It's the blame.
1:55:05
SPEAKER_00: You gotta like.
1:55:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm blaming myself.
1:55:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm blaming my brother.
1:55:07
SPEAKER_02: That that that's a really different type of nigga.
1:55:10
SPEAKER_02: Bobby took the plea to get this nigga.
1:55:12
SPEAKER_02: That's the they were both done.
1:55:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:55:14
SPEAKER_02: I didn't do nothing.
1:55:15
SPEAKER_02: I get what you said.
1:55:16
SPEAKER_02: Alright, so so like all right, so put like this.
1:55:18
SPEAKER_02: Now we all in the car.
1:55:19
SPEAKER_02: We all got a gun in the car.
1:55:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:55:21
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:55:25
SPEAKER_02: If one person takes one person take the chart, we getting 12.
1:55:28
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:55:28
SPEAKER_02: If we all keep quiet, we all get four.
1:55:30
SPEAKER_02: Nigga, what state is this?
1:55:36
SPEAKER_06: Nigga, we get four.
1:55:36
SPEAKER_02: When they say four, you're not gonna sit there and just keep quiet?
1:55:39
SPEAKER_06: They might nah, it was 40, my biggest.
1:55:40
SPEAKER_02: If we all had guns on this, then we should all do our time.
1:55:42
SPEAKER_02: We should all take 12 each.
1:55:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you want one of the guns?
1:55:47
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
1:55:48
SPEAKER_02: Look, if they found four guns, same situation.
1:55:50
SPEAKER_02: If we don't talk, we get four years.
1:55:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:55:53
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:55:53
SPEAKER_02: No, we don't.
1:55:54
SPEAKER_02: If somebody takes the gun, they get 25 years.
1:55:56
SPEAKER_02: No, we just all don't tell you.
1:55:58
SPEAKER_03: All the guns?
1:55:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, one more.
1:56:00
SPEAKER_03: We all had guns in there.
1:56:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we all guns.
1:56:02
SPEAKER_03: If we all had guns, who the who would we dumb enough to take all the guns?
1:56:06
SPEAKER_02: Nah, I'm just asking you for me, because it's my car, so they're gonna antagonize me first.
1:56:11
SPEAKER_02: The only thing that changes the situation is.
1:56:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we we all we all successfully.
1:56:16
SPEAKER_06: We wouldn't even be in that car, by the way.
1:56:18
SPEAKER_06: But anyway, but just for the sake of the argument, then I would I would expect for us to get together and be like, yo, one of us has to take this so the all four of us, all five of us don't go down.
1:56:25
SPEAKER_02: So I gotta take 25 fucking years just because y'all all had to be one of the gun in the car?
1:56:30
SPEAKER_01: That's why the wire is the greatest show of all time.
1:56:32
SPEAKER_01: You ever watch The Wire?
1:56:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm rewatching that.
1:56:33
SPEAKER_01: There's a nigga that we bae in that show.
1:56:34
SPEAKER_01: The nigga that isn't that in that meme that everybody likes when he's like, oh, yeah, that nigga is sat in the box for the rest of his life and his family was taken care of.
1:56:41
SPEAKER_02: That's some next level.
1:56:42
SPEAKER_02: Sat in the box.
1:56:43
SPEAKER_02: He got life.
1:56:44
SPEAKER_02: Bro, I can't see I can't put myself through that, bro.
1:56:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because you're not a gangster, so don't do gangster shit.
1:56:49
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
1:56:49
SPEAKER_02: To be caught in a situation like that and one of us gotta take life so everybody can live free.
1:56:54
SPEAKER_02: Because he's not gonna do no bars, though.
1:56:56
SPEAKER_02: He's not running the operation.
1:56:57
SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, I understand I'd rather I'd rather me be in jail and have y'all around to help take care of my family than all of us being jailed.
1:57:04
SPEAKER_00: Somebody else gonna be fucking our girls now.
1:57:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but if we don't talk, we just get like 15.
1:57:09
SPEAKER_00: Ah, man, of course we do the nah see.
1:57:12
SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of time and compared to one nigga to one nigga to take life.
1:57:17
SPEAKER_00: Bro, it's good.
1:57:19
SPEAKER_00: If we all take 15 years, that's ruining, that's ruining everybody.
1:57:23
SPEAKER_02: But one nigga take life?
1:57:25
SPEAKER_02: That's what happened in the wall.
1:57:26
SPEAKER_00: Who you blaming it on?
1:57:28
SPEAKER_00: That's the fucked up situation.
1:57:29
SPEAKER_02: That's the fucked up situation.
1:57:30
SPEAKER_02: Who we gonna all wrap so he can take life?
1:57:32
SPEAKER_01: And we all gotta think we all understood what the situation is.
1:57:35
SPEAKER_02: And you think out of this room, one of us would be like whoever's the youngest gotta go on.
1:57:39
SPEAKER_02: Whoever's the youngest gotta take the life.
1:57:40
SPEAKER_00: Whoever's the youngest gotta do it.
1:57:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, nah, it's whoever's the least successful.
1:57:44
SPEAKER_01: What if all right let's say blows tomorrow and we in a car and it's Toon's gun, but he's the moneymaker of our group.
1:57:53
SPEAKER_01: Somebody gotta go down, man.
1:57:54
SPEAKER_01: The road manager's from here.
1:57:56
SPEAKER_01: Who's the youngest?
1:57:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the road manager is.
1:57:57
SPEAKER_01: Who the youngest is a?
1:57:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't think it should be age, it should be who does the least.
1:58:01
SPEAKER_02: The nigga that carries the bags, you gotta take the gun.
1:58:03
SPEAKER_02: But what if the nigga that's carrying the bag is the reason why niggas blue because he's the one that's gonna be.
1:58:11
SPEAKER_02: What if you knew the right people?
1:58:15
SPEAKER_00: If the black man knew the most people, he wouldn't be the just the.
1:58:19
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:58:19
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:58:20
SPEAKER_02: Because it could be, all right, let's say it's a situation like this.
1:58:22
SPEAKER_02: Nah, we're not going on this rabbit.
1:58:25
SPEAKER_02: AG knows how to how to manage money the right way and get the best investments, right?
1:58:29
SPEAKER_02: Ray knows how to get like the best venues, right?
1:58:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh Godfrey knows how to, let's say, engineer your music, right?
1:58:38
SPEAKER_02: But I'm the one that's carrying the bags, but I know more celebrities than everybody to plug you in.
1:58:42
SPEAKER_02: You want to be carrying bags, right?
1:58:45
SPEAKER_01: That's not gonna happen.
1:58:46
SPEAKER_01: Like, the fucking thing.
1:58:47
SPEAKER_01: Even with that scenario, you're going to jail.
1:58:48
SPEAKER_01: So I mean that ain't changing me.
1:58:50
SPEAKER_01: Hey, that's fucked up.
1:58:51
SPEAKER_01: You can know all the celebrities you want.
1:58:52
SPEAKER_01: Somebody gotta engineer the music that makes us money.
1:58:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:58:54
SPEAKER_01: Somebody has to get us the venues that make us.
1:58:56
SPEAKER_01: How would you know more celebrity?
1:58:57
SPEAKER_01: Somebody has to manage the money.
1:58:58
SPEAKER_02: No, because let's say I was let's say like the same guy I do now.
1:59:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm in two or more celebrities.
1:59:03
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't, it doesn't matter.
1:59:04
SPEAKER_01: You can just give us a numbers from jail.
1:59:06
SPEAKER_01: So in this situation, we better hire some dumb dumb that's gonna take them charges.
1:59:10
SPEAKER_01: He's not a dumb dumb.
1:59:11
SPEAKER_01: He's a nigga that's like, yo, I don't have any skills, but this guy's giving me, I'm from his block, and I'll carry the bags.
1:59:16
SPEAKER_01: This is I can make money for my family this way.
1:59:18
SPEAKER_06: And when you get out, he got mug for you for the years you did.
1:59:21
SPEAKER_06: Nigga, he got life.
1:59:22
SPEAKER_06: He has life.
1:59:24
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna have money in your car.
1:59:25
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're hiring a dumb dumb in this situation.
1:59:28
SPEAKER_00: We ain't gonna get caught.
1:59:29
SPEAKER_00: Huh?
1:59:30
SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna get caught with no guns.
1:59:31
SPEAKER_00: That's the thing.
1:59:32
SPEAKER_00: If you're that successful, you probably wouldn't.
1:59:33
SPEAKER_00: But you have to sneak the Draco's on the plane.
1:59:36
SPEAKER_01: That's the name of the episode.
1:59:37
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
1:59:38
SPEAKER_01: He didn't say sneak.
1:59:39
SPEAKER_01: He lets you know he's on the plane.
1:59:42
SPEAKER_01: All right, let's talk about sports, man.
1:59:43
SPEAKER_01: The NBA's fucking back.
1:59:45
SPEAKER_01: Um football is uh full fledged.
1:59:47
SPEAKER_01: Does anybody care about baseball?
1:59:48
SPEAKER_01: There's no white people in the room.
1:59:52
SPEAKER_02: The only thing that I know is fucking um, I think it was Houston was losing.
1:59:56
SPEAKER_03: I think.
1:59:56
SPEAKER_02: Nashon is gonna win though.
1:59:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:59:58
SPEAKER_02: That shit is crazy.
1:59:59
SPEAKER_02: They won already?
2:00:00
SPEAKER_02: No, I think they got one more game.
2:00:04
SPEAKER_02: Is this 3-0?
2:00:05
SPEAKER_01: I think it was 3-0.
2:00:06
SPEAKER_01: No, but niggas come back from that all the time in baseball games.
2:00:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, but hold on though.
2:00:09
SPEAKER_02: But bro, they already seen they already seen um the other teams ace.
2:00:12
SPEAKER_02: Verlane already pitched.
2:00:13
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know how to do it.
2:00:15
SPEAKER_02: Who the fuck is Verland, bro?
2:00:16
SPEAKER_02: He's one of the he was one of the strong, like one of the top pitchers in the poll.
2:00:21
SPEAKER_01: Now that the NBA is back.
2:00:23
SPEAKER_01: I want to hear y'all bold predictions.
2:00:24
SPEAKER_00: Not for a Knicks fan.
2:00:27
SPEAKER_06: Uh my bold predictions Chris Godfrey's being first.
2:00:30
SPEAKER_06: I'm a New York Knicks fan loyal.
2:00:31
SPEAKER_06: So, you know, ladies, if you could be a Knicks fan, that means you could you could live that uh that that faithful black man life.
2:00:38
SPEAKER_01: That means he's a loser.
2:00:40
SPEAKER_01: Say what you want to say.
2:00:41
SPEAKER_06: He doesn't mind settling.
2:00:43
SPEAKER_06: All right, so let me know what it is.
2:00:45
SPEAKER_06: Let me make my bold predictions.
2:00:47
SPEAKER_06: Number one.
2:00:47
SPEAKER_06: I believe uh number one, I I'm I'm pulling for Damian Lillard to be MVP.
2:00:51
SPEAKER_06: All he has to do is be top three in the West.
2:00:54
SPEAKER_06: To be in top three in the West and have um average more than 28 points, seven or six assists, and uh about five rebounds.
2:00:59
SPEAKER_06: He'll be good to go.
2:01:00
SPEAKER_06: He is not after his playoff, what he did in the playoffs last year, he's in that group of people who are primed by the by the Warriors.
2:01:06
SPEAKER_06: But what did he do to what did he do to Russell Wilson?
2:01:10
SPEAKER_06: Destroying him.
2:01:10
SPEAKER_06: So he right now, in the like in the social media or the media's eyes, he's a darling.
2:01:15
SPEAKER_06: He's up there.
2:01:16
SPEAKER_06: He's a step down from Steph Curry on his best day.
2:01:19
SPEAKER_06: On Steph Curry on his best day.
2:01:20
SPEAKER_06: So I think he can he has a poll for MVP.
2:01:22
SPEAKER_06: Um for rookies, I think Zion Williamson's not gonna have a successful rookie success um season.
2:01:30
SPEAKER_06: I think RJ Barrett's gonna have a better rookie season.
2:01:32
SPEAKER_06: Uh in terms of rookie of the year, I want to say RJ Barrett, but there are a lot of promising, there's a lot of promising um rookies score more than 15 when they play that.
2:01:43
SPEAKER_06: He's not scored less than 16 points so far.
2:01:45
SPEAKER_06: His last game was 26.7 rebounds.
2:01:49
SPEAKER_06: That's a lot.
2:01:49
SPEAKER_06: So he's prime.
2:01:50
SPEAKER_06: And the the thing is about the team, you have to understand when you're gal when you're looking at who's gonna be rookie of the year, the team around them, if they're the more trash they are, the more opportunity they have to shine.
2:01:58
SPEAKER_06: That's true.
2:01:58
SPEAKER_06: That is true.
2:01:59
SPEAKER_06: So he's in a good place.
2:02:00
SPEAKER_06: Like the tick the players who are on team, the team, the players who are on teams like uh, for instance, the guy on the heat, he he can't get enough touches because like Butler is there, but you just can't.
2:02:07
SPEAKER_06: Luca was in a good place because there was no one to do it.
2:02:11
SPEAKER_06: He was nice and he gets his Tyler Heroes.
2:02:15
SPEAKER_06: When when um Jimmy Butler's there, he's not gonna get as many touches.
2:02:18
SPEAKER_06: Like, for instance, with Luca last year, like he got many touches because and he could have got more, but Dennis Lee Jr.
2:02:23
SPEAKER_06: was still there.
2:02:23
SPEAKER_06: But um, you know, he's gonna get more now because he's the focal point of the team.
2:02:26
SPEAKER_06: But I think RJ Brown's gonna be that guy on the championship.
2:02:29
SPEAKER_06: I have a hard time with this only because uh next year.
2:02:35
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
2:02:35
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna say I wanna say the Clippers, but um It's tough because the West is still the West and I can see the Lakers making a run.
2:02:42
SPEAKER_06: Um there's a lot of moving parts, but I wanna I'm gonna pull for the Clippers as a champions, and I think they're gonna go end up going against um the 76ers in the final.
2:02:49
SPEAKER_06: The 76ers are up yet as the champions, but I think they're gonna show up this year out of the east, they're gonna merge out of the east.
2:02:55
SPEAKER_06: Nah, I see the bucks.
2:02:56
SPEAKER_03: I agree, nah.
2:02:57
SPEAKER_03: I definitely agree.
2:02:58
SPEAKER_03: I see the Bucks getting there.
2:02:59
SPEAKER_03: Western Conference final is gonna be LA or LA.
2:03:04
SPEAKER_03: Yes, it is.
2:03:05
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
2:03:05
SPEAKER_03: It's gonna I don't know.
2:03:07
SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be a good one.
2:03:10
SPEAKER_03: Unless they're on the same side early, unless they play each other early, it's gonna be a good thing.
2:03:14
SPEAKER_03: I still see Golden State finding a way to get the other thing.
2:03:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, they want scared.
2:03:20
SPEAKER_03: Everybody listen, listen.
2:03:22
SPEAKER_02: Why is my defensive player of the year?
2:03:24
SPEAKER_02: I still feel like Golden State could find a way to get through the playoffs.
2:03:29
SPEAKER_02: They're not gonna win the finals.
2:03:32
SPEAKER_02: They might not be in the finals, but I could see them get into the playoffs.
2:03:35
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs.
2:03:37
SPEAKER_01: That's my hot take.
2:03:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, AG don't think that.
2:03:40
SPEAKER_06: Last year we didn't foresee LeBron not making the playoffs, but we already know that Steph is not making the playoffs.
2:03:45
SPEAKER_06: That's kind of crazy, bro.
2:03:46
SPEAKER_06: I think they're the same person, but I'm just saying, like, Steph Curry is awesome.
2:03:49
SPEAKER_06: He's the only unanimous MVP right now.
2:03:51
SPEAKER_01: Like, yo, that's I hate that argument.
2:03:53
SPEAKER_01: That's bro.
2:03:54
SPEAKER_06: And by the way, he averaged 23 points that year.
2:03:56
SPEAKER_06: And he's averaging 23 points right now.
2:03:58
SPEAKER_06: You gotta understand L's around.
2:04:00
SPEAKER_06: Without Clay Thompson and KD, it's different.
2:04:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's gonna lose.
2:04:03
SPEAKER_01: They're not gonna win enough games.
2:04:05
SPEAKER_01: They just can't do it.
2:04:05
SPEAKER_01: They don't have to be a lot of people.
2:04:06
SPEAKER_06: But also, they have D Lo right now, so they have to get the chemistry down pack now last time.
2:04:10
SPEAKER_01: They're not making a playoff.
2:04:11
SPEAKER_02: Russell's not gonna be able to pull off what KD could pull off.
2:04:14
SPEAKER_02: Who thinks he can do that?
2:04:15
SPEAKER_02: Or nowhere close.
2:04:17
SPEAKER_02: Of course not.
2:04:17
SPEAKER_02: But he's still nowhere close.
2:04:18
SPEAKER_02: He could be still be serviceable.
2:04:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't see D'Angelo's team.
2:04:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't see every every highlight I've seen of the Warriors this season has had D'Angelo Russell in in that play.
2:04:30
SPEAKER_00: Yo.
2:04:31
SPEAKER_00: And I'm telling you, I have yet to see, and I'm not even gonna be able to do that.
2:04:33
SPEAKER_00: It's only three games, bro.
2:04:34
SPEAKER_00: It's only three games.
2:04:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying, if I'm Steph Curry and this is my team, like, and we we're not playing that great, I should at least be in a game.
2:04:41
SPEAKER_00: And we have nobody else to throw the ball.
2:04:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, nigga, it was a it was 11 to 0 in that clippers game, and I see D'Angelo Russell get the ball.
2:04:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like if LeBron was to do that, niggas is up in arms about that.
2:04:54
SPEAKER_00: You can't tell me if if LeBron was involved in a game and he was down 35 to 70 by halftime.
2:05:01
SPEAKER_00: Who are they playing again?
2:05:02
SPEAKER_00: Come on.
2:05:02
SPEAKER_00: Fucking OKC.
2:05:04
SPEAKER_00: A team that's not slated to make a playoff, bro.
2:05:06
SPEAKER_00: Come on, man.
2:05:06
SPEAKER_01: So a non-playoff team has 73 points.
2:05:09
SPEAKER_01: No more.
2:05:10
SPEAKER_00: I just think Steph Curry, Steph Curry only took 18 shots.
2:05:15
SPEAKER_00: I think they also shoot the ball.
2:05:17
SPEAKER_06: Hold on.
2:05:19
SPEAKER_06: He averaged less than 18 shots when he was he won the unanimous MVP.
2:05:22
SPEAKER_06: Meaning that he was a good one.
2:05:23
SPEAKER_06: Who's on that team?
2:05:24
SPEAKER_06: Clay KD.
2:05:25
SPEAKER_06: They were having a big thing.
2:05:26
SPEAKER_06: People came there to shoot the ball.
2:05:27
SPEAKER_06: All right, Steve.
2:05:29
SPEAKER_06: It was Clay.
2:05:30
SPEAKER_06: It wasn't KD with it.
2:05:31
SPEAKER_00: Steph, Steph, you're literally here by yourself, my brother.
2:05:33
SPEAKER_00: KD left.
2:05:34
SPEAKER_00: Clay's hurt.
2:05:35
SPEAKER_00: Shoot the ball, nigga.
2:05:37
SPEAKER_00: But who dare to take the pressure off of him?
2:05:40
SPEAKER_00: 18 shots is not good if you're a fish.
2:05:44
SPEAKER_00: If you are 18, how many points?
2:05:48
SPEAKER_02: If you take all those 18 minutes, let me show you the difference, though.
2:05:51
SPEAKER_02: Back when he was taking 18, there was players to take the pressure away from him.
2:05:55
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
2:05:56
SPEAKER_02: Now I have nobody to take the pressure away.
2:05:58
SPEAKER_02: So how am I supposed to get more than 18 shots off if everybody's worried about me?
2:06:03
SPEAKER_00: Steph is not sitting there uh crossing the game.
2:06:06
SPEAKER_00: How many times you think I'm gribble dribble pull up in your face?
2:06:08
SPEAKER_00: No, he doesn't even have to do that.
2:06:11
SPEAKER_00: All the greats did it.
2:06:12
SPEAKER_00: You expected to take more shots when you are the star.
2:06:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I have nobody else to roll.
2:06:18
SPEAKER_02: Because he's unanimous MVP.
2:06:20
SPEAKER_02: Yo, it's a first of all things.
2:06:21
SPEAKER_02: First of all, that's Draymond gotta step up and start fucking Raymond.
2:06:25
SPEAKER_02: Draymond's never gonna be what he was before.
2:06:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't understand how we went from him being able to shoot Korea to now he can't score.
2:06:33
SPEAKER_02: Like what's the fucking going on?
2:06:35
SPEAKER_00: Yo, they have to rebuild.
2:06:37
SPEAKER_00: They have to rebuild.
2:06:37
SPEAKER_00: Where's the rest?
2:06:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure, like Eric, Eric Gordon has to take more than 18 shots a game.
2:06:43
SPEAKER_00: Eric Gordon?
2:06:44
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't?
2:06:45
SPEAKER_00: Eric Gordon?
2:06:46
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
2:06:46
SPEAKER_00: It's taking 18 more than 18 shots on a James Harden team.
2:06:49
SPEAKER_00: That's a lot.
2:06:49
SPEAKER_00: Think about it.
2:06:50
SPEAKER_00: Think about it.
2:06:51
SPEAKER_00: How many possessions you think he's gonna be able to do?
2:06:53
SPEAKER_00: How many possessions?
2:06:55
SPEAKER_00: Alright, maybe not average a game.
2:06:57
SPEAKER_00: Right?
2:06:57
SPEAKER_00: He can.
2:06:58
SPEAKER_00: He can, right?
2:06:59
SPEAKER_00: And that's not like crazy.
2:07:00
SPEAKER_00: It's not like you think I mean, right?
2:07:03
SPEAKER_00: He can take 18 shots.
2:07:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, that was that was a little me jumping out the window.
2:07:07
SPEAKER_00: But if he takes 18 shots for like a supporting cast, that's like what you expect from a shooter that like you give him the ball 18 times because you know he can make a majority of those shots.
2:07:18
SPEAKER_00: If you are a star or the superstar of the team, you're supposed to be carrying us 18 shots is way too low.
2:07:24
SPEAKER_00: You want Steph Curry by himself if they carry us?
2:07:27
SPEAKER_00: This is my problem.
2:07:28
SPEAKER_00: Where's the wrestling offense coming from?
2:07:29
SPEAKER_01: This is my problem.
2:07:30
SPEAKER_01: When it was two years ago, Steph Curry was in the argument of hey, he's just as good or in the same tier as the LeBrons, the Kevin Durant of the league.
2:07:40
SPEAKER_01: For his possession, for his position.
2:07:43
SPEAKER_06: There's only four superstars in the NBA.
2:07:45
SPEAKER_06: And he's not one of them.
2:07:46
SPEAKER_06: KD, LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry.
2:07:49
SPEAKER_06: Those are the four.
2:07:50
SPEAKER_06: It's Giannis.
2:07:51
SPEAKER_06: No, it's not.
2:07:54
SPEAKER_06: You missed this one, though.
2:07:54
SPEAKER_06: But there are stipulations to be a superstar.
2:07:57
SPEAKER_01: And he's checked them all off.
2:07:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't, but I think that's why your your stipulations don't work in real life because we're seeing it, and he's not a superstar.
2:08:05
SPEAKER_01: But this three games.
2:08:07
SPEAKER_01: No, you're right about that.
2:08:08
SPEAKER_01: But I think it's a good thing.
2:08:08
SPEAKER_01: I was looking at his body of work.
2:08:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't look at his body of work.
2:08:13
SPEAKER_01: No, it hasn't, because when he first came in the league, he didn't have all those places.
2:08:16
SPEAKER_01: Of course he wasn't a superstar.
2:08:17
SPEAKER_01: He was a rookie, but he was still dropping the same numbers we're seeing now.
2:08:20
SPEAKER_01: When did he become a superstar, Godfrey?
2:08:21
SPEAKER_01: Well, he started winning.
2:08:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because he started to check off those stipulations.
2:08:24
SPEAKER_01: And he had a team around him.
2:08:25
SPEAKER_01: Now we're seeing him without this team.
2:08:26
SPEAKER_04: Yo, over the past scoring.
2:08:28
SPEAKER_04: Over the past.
2:08:29
SPEAKER_04: There's no highlight probably.
2:08:30
SPEAKER_02: If he had other old players that wasn't great or top-notch players, he would be scoring more.
2:08:36
SPEAKER_02: All he needs is somebody that could also be like, okay, you know what?
2:08:40
SPEAKER_02: I can't maybe a stronger, stronger defense on him.
2:08:45
SPEAKER_01: Kawhi Leonard doesn't have that Kevin Durant doesn't have.
2:08:48
SPEAKER_01: Go back.
2:08:48
SPEAKER_01: Michael Jordan didn't have these excuses.
2:08:50
SPEAKER_01: These guys weren't winning until they got their players.
2:08:52
SPEAKER_01: I understand that.
2:08:53
SPEAKER_01: But they weren't going out and scoring 10 points a game.
2:08:55
SPEAKER_01: All right, bad.
2:08:55
SPEAKER_01: They weren't going out and scoring 20 points a game.
2:08:57
SPEAKER_01: Michael Jordan's putting up like 30 something.
2:08:58
SPEAKER_01: LeBron James is taking his team to the finals.
2:09:00
SPEAKER_01: So now he's taking their last year, though.
2:09:03
SPEAKER_06: Huh?
2:09:03
SPEAKER_06: He was taking their last year.
2:09:04
SPEAKER_06: So let me throw it.
2:09:05
SPEAKER_06: Let me add a question.
2:09:06
SPEAKER_06: When LeBron lost in the finals, he had all excuses.
2:09:08
SPEAKER_06: He said they said Kevin, they said Kevin, um, what's his name was in there?
2:09:10
SPEAKER_06: Kevin Love and Kyrie was.
2:09:12
SPEAKER_06: That's an excuse.
2:09:12
SPEAKER_06: And that's I'm okay with that because you want to know why?
2:09:14
SPEAKER_06: The whole team is not there.
2:09:16
SPEAKER_06: Steph Curry's a is very the system they built in Golden State requires ball movement with efficient shooters.
2:09:20
SPEAKER_06: So he just lost two of them.
2:09:22
SPEAKER_01: He needs a system.
2:09:23
SPEAKER_06: No, he doesn't need a system.
2:09:24
SPEAKER_06: I think he does.
2:09:26
SPEAKER_06: No, no.
2:09:26
SPEAKER_03: That doesn't make him a bad player.
2:09:28
SPEAKER_03: You put Stephen Curry on another team.
2:09:29
SPEAKER_03: Do you think he's a superstar player?
2:09:31
SPEAKER_03: No, we're seeing it right now.
2:09:33
SPEAKER_03: If you put him on another team, put him on a rock about that.
2:09:36
SPEAKER_03: Like that, that Golden War.
2:09:38
SPEAKER_03: Alright, let me put it this way.
2:09:39
SPEAKER_01: Put him on the Kings.
2:09:40
SPEAKER_06: The five levels.
2:09:41
SPEAKER_06: We're running five.
2:09:42
SPEAKER_06: We're playing ball.
2:09:42
SPEAKER_06: We're running fives.
2:09:43
SPEAKER_06: We know each other, we got the system down.
2:09:44
SPEAKER_06: We know we pass it here.
2:09:46
SPEAKER_06: If we play, if we play the way we're playing, I know, I know to be, or I know Toon's gonna be right there for me and make a pass.
2:09:51
SPEAKER_06: We got that chemistry down.
2:09:52
SPEAKER_06: Toon, the next game you say you're not playing, he says he's not playing, and I can play with two new people.
2:09:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:09:57
SPEAKER_06: We're about to play seven, we're about to say, play seven straight games again with a bunch of people.
2:10:00
SPEAKER_06: Is that not gonna affect how we play?
2:10:02
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
2:10:02
SPEAKER_06: But if you're a superstar some wins, absolutely.
2:10:04
SPEAKER_01: But if you're a superstar, you might lose, win, it doesn't matter.
2:10:07
SPEAKER_01: But your play is gonna be still superstar level.
2:10:09
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
2:10:10
SPEAKER_01: Is Steph playing like a superstar?
2:10:11
SPEAKER_01: No, because right now no.
2:10:12
SPEAKER_01: No, because he's the focal point right now.
2:10:14
SPEAKER_01: AJ is AJ, let me show you.
2:10:19
SPEAKER_06: But let's not forget in the finals last year when they went down, he dropped the 47 like this.
2:10:23
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and they lost.
2:10:23
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, AJ.
2:10:24
SPEAKER_01: He played like a superstar.
2:10:28
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
2:10:29
SPEAKER_06: So he's not doing that right now.
2:10:30
SPEAKER_06: That's not.
2:10:31
SPEAKER_06: We're not.
2:10:31
SPEAKER_06: What I'm saying is he acts as that didn't just happen.
2:10:33
SPEAKER_06: It's not like that.
2:10:34
SPEAKER_06: I'm not a racing man.
2:10:35
SPEAKER_06: I'm not a racist.
2:10:36
SPEAKER_06: He didn't fall off the cliff right now.
2:10:37
SPEAKER_06: What we're looking at is someone who's adjusting to a new team, new system.
2:10:41
SPEAKER_06: I agree.
2:10:41
SPEAKER_06: With other teams and players who have who have caught up to what his team has been doing.
2:10:46
SPEAKER_06: That's very important.
2:10:47
SPEAKER_01: It's only three games.
2:10:49
SPEAKER_01: If Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis, whoever you want to put in that screen.
2:10:55
SPEAKER_01: He's scaling me.
2:11:01
SPEAKER_01: It's just not acceptable.
2:11:02
SPEAKER_01: How much was Jordan scoring on the Wizards?
2:11:04
SPEAKER_01: He was an old ass man.
2:11:06
SPEAKER_01: He was scoring 20.
2:11:07
SPEAKER_06: But is it acceptable to score eight in a finals game?
2:11:09
SPEAKER_06: No, that's Wayne Way.
2:11:11
SPEAKER_06: Alright, so that's what I'm saying.
2:11:12
SPEAKER_06: So like we didn't say we didn't throw LeBron out because of that.
2:11:14
SPEAKER_06: Yo, that's the window because of that.
2:11:16
SPEAKER_06: That was a series versus a season.
2:11:18
SPEAKER_06: Alright, so if LeBron's first three games and they lost two.
2:11:22
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but he had 18, right?
2:11:23
SPEAKER_06: And we were like, yo, yo, that yo, he's wilding.
2:11:24
SPEAKER_06: Oh, I thought LeBron looks old.
2:11:26
SPEAKER_01: I still think he looks old.
2:11:27
SPEAKER_06: We have to give him time to come back.
2:11:29
SPEAKER_06: Three games not for us to be like, yo, Steph Curry's a bum.
2:11:32
SPEAKER_01: I think this is not uh, yeah.
2:11:34
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm not gonna argue a prediction now.
2:11:36
SPEAKER_01: I think absolutely Steph Curry isn't gonna expose himself this season.
2:11:38
SPEAKER_01: No, he's not, and he's not gonna be the superstar that people think.
2:11:40
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what I think.
2:11:41
SPEAKER_01: That's honestly what I think.
2:11:42
SPEAKER_06: Yo, let's get down to this whole um this issue with people that people have with Steph Curry and with LeBron James.
2:11:46
SPEAKER_06: I think that there's a there's a very, very interesting dynamic that people have when it comes to the two and I'm like, we're ri a lot of people are really ready to bash Steph Curry.
2:11:53
SPEAKER_06: They don't dislike the Golden State words, they don't they dislike Steph Curry, and I don't know why.
2:11:57
SPEAKER_06: I don't I don't have a problem with Steph Curry.
2:11:59
SPEAKER_06: He has changed the way bash.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_06: Basketball is played.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_06: He's opened up opportunities for people who are not blessed with all the athleticism.
2:12:03
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
2:12:04
SPEAKER_06: And on athletics, so why is it that we're that we're so ready to bash him, but yet we're praising this guy, LeBron, who's a phenomenal player, but he's blessed with so many physical gifts that the average person is not played with.
2:12:14
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
2:12:14
SPEAKER_06: He does not have.
2:12:15
SPEAKER_01: I can relate more to Steph Curry than I canceled.
2:12:17
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
2:12:18
SPEAKER_06: You fine-tune your skills.
2:12:19
SPEAKER_06: You can make it a few.
2:12:20
SPEAKER_01: I would never be LeBron Jack.
2:12:21
SPEAKER_06: So what is it?
2:12:21
SPEAKER_06: What's the problem we have with Steph Curry?
2:12:23
SPEAKER_06: Is he not one of the greatest players we've seen?
2:12:26
SPEAKER_06: That's I think that's a part of it when it comes to black America.
2:12:28
SPEAKER_06: He's too light for black Americans.
2:12:30
SPEAKER_06: Matter of fact, I think it was I think it was Barnes who would confirm it.
2:12:32
SPEAKER_06: He was like, some people have a problem with the way he looks and what he represents.
2:12:36
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, because light skinned brother who's getting smiling.
2:12:39
SPEAKER_06: Super Christian.
2:12:39
SPEAKER_06: You know what I mean?
2:12:40
SPEAKER_06: Super Christian, like the purity look to them.
2:12:42
SPEAKER_06: They feel like he's white.
2:12:45
SPEAKER_01: They just feel like he's white.
2:12:46
SPEAKER_01: They just feel like he's white.
2:12:47
SPEAKER_01: That's not my problem with Steph Curry.
2:12:49
SPEAKER_01: My problem is not with Steph Curry.
2:12:50
SPEAKER_01: My problem is with Steph Curry fans comparing him to the greats.
2:12:54
SPEAKER_06: I don't compare him to LeBron James.
2:12:55
SPEAKER_06: They're two different animals.
2:12:56
SPEAKER_06: I don't shit about it.
2:12:57
SPEAKER_06: Is he in the same, is he in the same class of uh in terms of success and what he's done in his body work and making it?
2:13:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about on paper.
2:13:03
SPEAKER_01: When you put these two players next to each other, LeBron James cannot go out and average 23 points in the first two games.
2:13:09
SPEAKER_01: It's impossible.
2:13:10
SPEAKER_01: It's not impossible.
2:13:11
SPEAKER_01: No, we would look at him in the prime of his career that he was crazy.
2:13:14
SPEAKER_06: Like, no, this is that's around his average right now.
2:13:16
SPEAKER_06: 18-32, but he's about 35.
2:13:19
SPEAKER_06: Like he's both.
2:13:21
SPEAKER_06: We're not taking anything from him.
2:13:22
SPEAKER_06: We're not taking anything from LeBron.
2:13:23
SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying he had 18 points one game, 36, or was it 32?
2:13:27
SPEAKER_06: 32.
2:13:27
SPEAKER_06: It averages out to about 23 points.
2:13:29
SPEAKER_01: This is a washed LeBron.
2:13:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm asking you.
2:13:31
SPEAKER_01: LeBron's not washed.
2:13:32
SPEAKER_01: Well no, no, of course, but he's not the thing.
2:13:33
SPEAKER_01: That's different.
2:13:34
SPEAKER_01: But I'm asking you right now, if LeBron on the heat season and they started that season, and and uh Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch got hurt, right?
2:13:40
SPEAKER_06: Steph Curry's not 25 either, by the way.
2:13:42
SPEAKER_01: No, but he's he's doesn't have the miles that LeBron has, though.
2:13:44
SPEAKER_06: So then they're different thirds.
2:13:46
SPEAKER_06: He doesn't have the miles and he doesn't have the physical attributes either.
2:13:48
SPEAKER_06: I understand that, but Steph Curry's a fresher chicken than LeBron James.
2:13:51
SPEAKER_06: You're comparing you're comparing a lion to a house cat in terms of physical attributes.
2:13:55
SPEAKER_01: No, no, you're moving the goalposts, man.
2:13:57
SPEAKER_06: No, because the thing is, I'm not moving goalposts because LeBron has physical attributes that make it like even if he's not his shots not on, he can go in the paint and get you those buckets.
2:14:04
SPEAKER_06: Okay, but I'm Steph Curry's not blessed with that size.
2:14:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's use Carmelo then.
2:14:08
SPEAKER_01: If a 28-year-old Carmelo and uh how old is Steph?
2:14:11
SPEAKER_01: 30?
2:14:12
SPEAKER_06: 31.
2:14:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay, he's it's Steph still in his prime.
2:14:14
SPEAKER_06: 32, actually.
2:14:15
SPEAKER_01: Is Steph still in his prime?
2:14:16
SPEAKER_06: For his skill set, he can still be successful.
2:14:18
SPEAKER_06: Yes, he's in prime.
2:14:19
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna say that.
2:14:20
SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
2:14:20
SPEAKER_06: Oh, let's say that.
2:14:21
SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
2:14:21
SPEAKER_01: So a prime mellow and a prime Steph Curry, and on a whack team that has no stars, no other stars, right?
2:14:28
SPEAKER_01: Would it be acceptable for Mello to only average 23 points per game?
2:14:31
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sorry.
2:14:31
SPEAKER_01: The Knicks accepted 23.
2:14:33
SPEAKER_01: The Knicks accepted what?
2:14:34
SPEAKER_06: Over the course of three games, sure.
2:14:35
SPEAKER_01: No, no, God forgot.
2:14:37
SPEAKER_01: But that's what we're looking at.
2:14:39
SPEAKER_01: We haven't seen the whole season.
2:14:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you would look at Melo, you liked Melo when he's on the Knicks.
2:14:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:14:43
SPEAKER_01: You would look at Melo like, why the fuck did we get this guy?
2:14:45
SPEAKER_01: He's already put up 23 points per game.
2:14:47
SPEAKER_01: Um is that not what Knicks fans did?
2:14:50
SPEAKER_01: Is it for is it for a season?
2:14:51
SPEAKER_06: Whatever.
2:14:52
SPEAKER_06: Or is it over three games?
2:14:55
SPEAKER_06: I would look at him and I'd be like, he's about to go off a 30 at some point.
2:14:59
SPEAKER_01: No, you said prime Carmelo, so I'm talking about Carmelo.
2:15:02
SPEAKER_06: I'm like, he did 23.
2:15:03
SPEAKER_06: Carmelo likes to get 30 or more.
2:15:04
SPEAKER_06: That's why he's going to get you 30.
2:15:06
SPEAKER_06: So I'm looking at Steph Curry like, yo, this is a nigga that's probably not Carmelo.
2:15:08
SPEAKER_01: No, but Steph Curry's a scorer.
2:15:10
SPEAKER_01: That's what he does.
2:15:10
SPEAKER_01: That's how he impacts the game.
2:15:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I'm looking at it.
2:15:12
SPEAKER_01: That's how he impacts the game.
2:15:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I'm doing more than score.
2:15:14
SPEAKER_01: Like all the shit they were talking about.
2:15:16
SPEAKER_01: He was reverse Shaq.
2:15:17
SPEAKER_01: You see the pressure that Shaq put on the paint.
2:15:19
SPEAKER_01: He puts that pressure on the three-point.
2:15:21
SPEAKER_01: You gotta pick him up from half court.
2:15:22
SPEAKER_01: This is the guy that's giving me 23.
2:15:24
SPEAKER_01: Shaq is not giving me no 23.
2:15:25
SPEAKER_01: You can't compare him to the top.
2:15:28
SPEAKER_02: But if I had nobody else to get the pressure over.
2:15:31
SPEAKER_00: Shaq is taking a hundred shots.
2:15:34
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
2:15:34
SPEAKER_00: I literally looked up other stats.
2:15:36
SPEAKER_06: You said reverse Shaq.
2:15:37
SPEAKER_06: So you look at reverse Shaq.
2:15:38
SPEAKER_06: That means you cannot put those same, those same uh reverse on Steph Curry.
2:15:43
SPEAKER_06: Because he's not he's not that he does not what Shaq was.
2:15:47
SPEAKER_06: He's reverse.
2:15:48
SPEAKER_06: He's the opposite.
2:15:48
SPEAKER_06: No, they're just talking about the reverse, like the impact.
2:15:51
SPEAKER_06: Like Shaq was the impact in the game down low.
2:15:53
SPEAKER_03: You don't know why because the impact in the game from the outside.
2:15:55
SPEAKER_03: You wonder why that's the one.
2:15:57
SPEAKER_06: Nah, you know why it doesn't work?
2:15:59
SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
2:16:00
SPEAKER_03: You know why it doesn't work?
2:16:01
SPEAKER_06: Because Shaq is in the paint.
2:16:03
SPEAKER_06: All I do is throw the ball down to no one is his size.
2:16:05
SPEAKER_06: He can just jump up and dunk.
2:16:06
SPEAKER_06: That's not the same thing.
2:16:07
SPEAKER_06: And I'm the point guard.
2:16:08
SPEAKER_06: I get the ball first.
2:16:10
SPEAKER_06: Nobody can, no, you can't make it.
2:16:12
SPEAKER_06: So what you're saying right now is an inside basket is on the same level as a perimeter shot.
2:16:16
SPEAKER_01: No, that's not the argument.
2:16:17
SPEAKER_01: That's another argument.
2:16:18
SPEAKER_06: But that's where his bread and butter is Steph Curry's bread and butter is from the perimeter, right?
2:16:21
SPEAKER_01: Like you have to guard this guy as soon as he's gonna be a good thing.
2:16:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
2:16:23
SPEAKER_06: No other pack is those are not the same thing.
2:16:26
SPEAKER_06: You can that's a that's a false equivalent.
2:16:28
SPEAKER_06: That's crazy.
2:16:28
SPEAKER_01: No, that's not what the comparison was.
2:16:30
SPEAKER_06: He's reverse Shaq, though.
2:16:31
SPEAKER_01: The comparison was that the Where the impact is at that Shaq had in the paint, you had to send a double.
2:16:35
SPEAKER_06: Yo, you can have an off shoot, you can be off shooting wise.
2:16:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and Shaq was off some games too, but he played the biggest ball.
2:16:40
SPEAKER_06: He was off jumping and putting the basket in, putting the ball in the basket?
2:16:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's crazy.
2:16:44
SPEAKER_01: You play ball before.
2:16:45
SPEAKER_06: My dunk is just off.
2:16:46
SPEAKER_06: I'm just missing the ball.
2:16:47
SPEAKER_01: Governor, Governor, you played ball before, and there's some days that you can't miss a layup, and then some days you can't make one.
2:16:52
SPEAKER_01: But if you were to start my team, you gotta take the ball.
2:16:56
SPEAKER_06: If I'm seven feet tall and I can dunk at will if I'm down there, that's not the same thing as me pulling up.
2:17:01
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not it's not it's not.
2:17:02
SPEAKER_01: All right, but now we both have to take a hundred shots.
2:17:04
SPEAKER_01: Now, let me ask you a question.
2:17:05
SPEAKER_01: Well, why is he not taking a hundred shots?
2:17:07
SPEAKER_06: Three games in, they still have to play.
2:17:10
SPEAKER_06: AG, let me ask you a question.
2:17:11
SPEAKER_06: Let me ask you two.
2:17:13
SPEAKER_06: If it's three games for any other two, where in Steph Curry's where in Steph Curry's career has he showed you that like for a long period of time, he's not gonna be able to give you the buckets you need to be successful on his team.
2:17:23
SPEAKER_06: Where?
2:17:24
SPEAKER_06: Never because he's always had to put it parenthetical data.
2:17:26
SPEAKER_06: He's always had the he has not proven that he can do that yet.
2:17:29
SPEAKER_06: It's like y'all said, we haven't seen LeBron not make the playoffs yet.
2:17:31
SPEAKER_06: Show me first, and I could be like, all right, bet LeBron didn't make playoffs.
2:17:34
SPEAKER_06: So after a while, then we can say whether Steph Curry's watched.
2:17:37
SPEAKER_01: It's because I think that he was just touted as this godless score.
2:17:41
SPEAKER_06: He hasn't been touted like that in a while, bro.
2:17:43
SPEAKER_01: Because of the team is not there.
2:17:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
2:17:45
SPEAKER_06: But before that, he was that.
2:17:46
SPEAKER_06: He won you miss MVC um uh because we have to MVP without it.
2:17:50
SPEAKER_06: He got 73 and 9 record with that.
2:17:53
SPEAKER_06: He had a championship without it.
2:17:54
SPEAKER_06: And it was only claimed Draymond, by the way, with those two.
2:17:56
SPEAKER_06: We have to guard.
2:17:57
SPEAKER_06: Let's not act like as if he had KD all the stuff.
2:17:59
SPEAKER_06: No, no, but we had to guard those guys.
2:18:00
SPEAKER_06: We don't have to guard them no more.
2:18:01
SPEAKER_06: Right, they're not there.
2:18:02
SPEAKER_06: So now we're just harping on him.
2:18:05
SPEAKER_06: We're just harping on stuff.
2:18:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
2:18:07
SPEAKER_01: You gotta take a hundred shots.
2:18:08
SPEAKER_01: Because he's not getting to the paint with the size of a LeBron games, it's not as easy to score those things.
2:18:13
SPEAKER_02: Y'all said, regardless of the fact if he's hot or he's cold, he has to take a hundred shots.
2:18:17
SPEAKER_02: If he's a superstar, yeah.
2:18:18
SPEAKER_02: Now let me ask you a question.
2:18:19
SPEAKER_02: If he is cold, yeah, why am I gonna have him take a hundred shots with four other people?
2:18:24
SPEAKER_02: Who else?
2:18:25
SPEAKER_02: Who else gonna take?
2:18:26
SPEAKER_02: But then he takes a hundred shots, and let's say he missed a hundred shots.
2:18:29
SPEAKER_02: What everybody gonna say, you a fucking ball hawk.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_02: Give up the ball.
2:18:31
SPEAKER_01: You gotta impact the game in another way, man.
2:18:34
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is the Kobe shit.
2:18:35
SPEAKER_01: Y'all niggas loved Kobe.
2:18:36
SPEAKER_01: We live and die by the three.
2:18:38
SPEAKER_01: You tell Cliff Curry the same thing.
2:18:40
SPEAKER_01: You gotta shoot the ball.
2:18:42
SPEAKER_01: He's not shooting enough because I just don't think he's that.
2:18:46
SPEAKER_00: Kobe is never gonna let like the rest of the team take the shots if they need him to take the shots.
2:18:52
SPEAKER_00: That's his that's the shit.
2:18:53
SPEAKER_00: That's literally like take those shots.
2:18:54
SPEAKER_00: But he's also a shooting score.
2:18:57
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I'm saying.
2:19:00
SPEAKER_02: Like, bro, you want me to take a hundred shots, now I'm gonna get more fatigue.
2:19:08
SPEAKER_00: First of all, as a point guard, you're not guarding too much space.
2:19:12
SPEAKER_00: You you you come down to the three-point line.
2:19:14
SPEAKER_00: Majority of the time, the person you guarding doesn't pass, like the the uh free throw line.
2:19:19
SPEAKER_00: So if you think about how far the the point guard has to run up another point, yeah, it's not it's not, you're not getting that tough.
2:19:25
SPEAKER_00: And somebody like Steph, they don't have to work that hard for them baskets if screens are being set.
2:19:29
SPEAKER_00: We're talking from a very fan based.
2:19:31
SPEAKER_00: I gotta shoot.
2:19:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, of course, of course, but uh, but nope.
2:19:36
SPEAKER_00: There's not too many point guards that you have to chase around besides like Damian Lillard.
2:19:40
SPEAKER_06: That's the strategy against Steph Curry, though.
2:19:41
SPEAKER_06: Is it make him chase you and then when it's time to shoot an offense, his legs are?
2:19:44
SPEAKER_06: Steph Curry couldn't gone Fred Vlan feet feet in the playoffs, there's a lot of tread on that tire, too.
2:19:49
SPEAKER_06: He's been to the finals five years in a row, by the way.
2:19:51
SPEAKER_01: All right, LeBron James would laugh.
2:19:52
SPEAKER_01: There's different kinds of injuries ankle injury injuries.
2:19:55
SPEAKER_06: It's just not built the same play.
2:19:57
SPEAKER_06: Of course not, of course not.
2:19:58
SPEAKER_06: I just don't like this crazy.
2:19:59
SPEAKER_06: How's that crazy?
2:20:01
SPEAKER_00: Steph or take more shots.
2:20:02
SPEAKER_00: I will never, I will never take it.
2:20:03
SPEAKER_00: CJ McCullum took 26 shots today.
2:20:06
SPEAKER_00: And I mean he made it.
2:20:07
SPEAKER_00: It was enough.
2:20:08
SPEAKER_00: There was even more shots.
2:20:09
SPEAKER_00: I can I can look that up here.
2:20:10
SPEAKER_00: And you said he was a bum.
2:20:12
SPEAKER_01: I didn't think CJ McCullum's a bum.
2:20:15
SPEAKER_00: He said, Damian Linnard's.
2:20:16
SPEAKER_03: CJ McCullum is definitely a star.
2:20:18
SPEAKER_03: What?
2:20:19
SPEAKER_06: Based on what?
2:20:20
SPEAKER_06: He's the second best player on the players.
2:20:23
SPEAKER_06: That's exactly what I said.
2:20:24
SPEAKER_06: He is just the second best player.
2:20:25
SPEAKER_00: CJ McCullum at the time.
2:20:26
SPEAKER_00: So it's Clay Cut.
2:20:29
SPEAKER_00: CJ McCollum shot 50%, by the way.
2:20:31
SPEAKER_00: 13 of 26, shot 30, made 30.
2:20:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he scored 35.
2:20:35
SPEAKER_00: Damian Lillard shot 10 for 20.
2:20:38
SPEAKER_00: He finished with 28.
2:20:39
SPEAKER_00: Gotta shoot.
2:20:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
2:20:42
SPEAKER_00: You have to shoot 28.
2:20:44
SPEAKER_06: Who?
2:20:44
SPEAKER_06: Damian Linnard.
2:20:45
SPEAKER_06: We had 28.
2:20:45
SPEAKER_06: All right, good, perfect.
2:20:46
SPEAKER_06: That's all I need.
2:20:48
SPEAKER_00: Rodney Hood had 20.
2:20:49
SPEAKER_00: He shot 8 of 12.
2:20:50
SPEAKER_00: Steph Curry played like shit today, alright?
2:20:53
SPEAKER_00: We just have to acknowledge that.
2:20:54
SPEAKER_00: You have to acknowledge that.
2:20:55
SPEAKER_00: You have to think about it.
2:20:56
SPEAKER_00: If Rodney Hoodney Hood, if Rodney Hood took six less shots, I thought Rodney Hood was trash from when I use on the pad.
2:21:06
SPEAKER_06: I remember him being trash.
2:21:07
SPEAKER_00: But let's not overlook the fact that Rodney Hood took six less shots than Steph Curry.
2:21:14
SPEAKER_00: Like, how is that not an issue?
2:21:16
SPEAKER_06: Yo, this is still three games in.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_06: I get it.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_06: We're talking about that.
2:21:19
SPEAKER_06: On a team that lost two of its primary pieces right now, that's the big thing.
2:21:23
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, and I get it.
2:21:24
SPEAKER_00: But that shouldn't, that should that only should lead to Steph Curry being like, you know what?
2:21:29
SPEAKER_06: That means in the first three games of this season, I should be going all out for these first three games and over.
2:21:32
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, no.
2:21:33
SPEAKER_06: I'm not saying kill yourself.
2:21:34
SPEAKER_06: And overcompensate for what we don't have.
2:21:35
SPEAKER_06: Or should I pace myself and we're gonna figure this out?
2:21:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying kill yourself.
2:21:39
SPEAKER_06: At 32 or 31 years old.
2:21:40
SPEAKER_00: But you gotta also, you I'm not saying you should go.
2:21:43
SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying, my point is just don't go crazy with three games.
2:21:45
SPEAKER_06: I mean, if you want to win, I think you're gonna jump in a window too.
2:21:48
SPEAKER_03: If you want to win with the first three regulations, the first three regular season.
2:21:52
SPEAKER_03: How long are you gonna wait it out?
2:21:54
SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
2:21:55
SPEAKER_03: Three games.
2:21:58
SPEAKER_02: How many games is in the season?
2:21:59
SPEAKER_02: But we know we're not going to the finals this year.
2:22:01
SPEAKER_02: All right there.
2:22:04
SPEAKER_02: I got 79 more.
2:22:05
SPEAKER_02: You want me to sit there and go hard to win the first three?
2:22:07
SPEAKER_03: And I'm gonna go to the finals.
2:22:09
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna try to win every single game.
2:22:10
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna play every game.
2:22:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then look at this.
2:22:14
SPEAKER_02: Now I lose my ankle, and now they're go by the whole thing.
2:22:18
SPEAKER_01: Name three players on the Warriors right now.
2:22:20
SPEAKER_01: You can't.
2:22:20
SPEAKER_01: That's not Steph.
2:22:21
SPEAKER_02: That's not Steph.
2:22:23
SPEAKER_02: Clay, DeAndre.
2:22:24
SPEAKER_02: He's not playing.
2:22:24
SPEAKER_02: He's not playing.
2:22:25
SPEAKER_02: D'Angelo Russell.
2:22:27
SPEAKER_02: Andre Russell.
2:22:28
SPEAKER_02: DeAndre Russell.
2:22:29
SPEAKER_02: That's not like the blackest name, though.
2:22:32
SPEAKER_02: Draymond Green, and I can't think of another one.
2:22:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great Warriors fan we have here.
2:22:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:22:39
SPEAKER_00: Amari Spellman.
2:22:40
SPEAKER_00: He took more shots than Stephanie.
2:22:42
SPEAKER_00: Ten shots.
2:22:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's true today.
2:22:44
SPEAKER_00: Who's Amari Spellman?
2:22:45
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
2:22:46
SPEAKER_00: That's who Steph Curry was like hoping, like hoping would help him out with this game.
2:22:50
SPEAKER_00: It's a team game, bro.
2:22:51
SPEAKER_00: That's all I'm saying.
2:22:52
SPEAKER_00: But my brother, it should.
2:22:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm telling you, you gotta look at this box.
2:22:55
SPEAKER_00: It's only three games.
2:22:56
SPEAKER_00: And there's no reason why Steph Curry didn't take more shots.
2:22:58
SPEAKER_01: Can I propose a question to the panel?
2:23:00
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
2:23:00
SPEAKER_01: Who's the best big man in the NBA?
2:23:01
SPEAKER_01: Center.
2:23:02
SPEAKER_06: Right now?
2:23:02
SPEAKER_01: Right now.
2:23:03
SPEAKER_01: Center.
2:23:03
SPEAKER_06: Center.
2:23:04
SPEAKER_06: Joel and B.
2:23:05
SPEAKER_06: Joel and B?
2:23:06
SPEAKER_06: Based on what?
2:23:07
SPEAKER_06: We were talking about in terms of success or just overall?
2:23:09
SPEAKER_01: Like if you were drafting a team right now, just for one season, who's the center you picking?
2:23:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm taking Joel.
2:23:14
SPEAKER_01: Wait, is Yan?
2:23:15
SPEAKER_01: Giannis playing what power forward?
2:23:16
SPEAKER_01: He plays power.
2:23:17
SPEAKER_01: Stop.
2:23:18
SPEAKER_02: Center.
2:23:18
SPEAKER_02: We're just talking about center.
2:23:19
SPEAKER_02: Who else is center?
2:23:20
SPEAKER_02: A lot of great league.
2:23:22
SPEAKER_02: You gotta take Joel.
2:23:23
SPEAKER_06: Damn, I wanna say Jokic so bad, son.
2:23:26
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I guess.
2:23:27
SPEAKER_06: He doesn't play Jokic.
2:23:29
SPEAKER_06: That's the only thing.
2:23:30
SPEAKER_06: Joel, but Embiid is injury prone.
2:23:32
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
2:23:32
SPEAKER_06: You definitely like injury prone players.
2:23:34
SPEAKER_06: I don't like the minute.
2:23:34
SPEAKER_06: He's heard.
2:23:35
SPEAKER_06: I'm going with Jokic then.
2:23:36
SPEAKER_06: Straight up.
2:23:37
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
2:23:37
SPEAKER_01: I don't I think it's between those two guys.
2:23:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm going with Jokic.
2:23:39
SPEAKER_01: Darius doesn't know who we're talking about.
2:23:43
SPEAKER_01: You don't even got a center.
2:23:45
SPEAKER_00: You're talking about the warrior.
2:23:46
SPEAKER_01: They do.
2:23:47
SPEAKER_01: His name is Chris.
2:23:48
SPEAKER_01: No, he's a powerful.
2:23:50
SPEAKER_01: Come on, nigga.
2:23:50
SPEAKER_01: He plays center.
2:23:52
SPEAKER_00: Their starting center is Chris.
2:23:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what's his name?
2:23:55
SPEAKER_00: Marquise Chris or something.
2:23:56
SPEAKER_00: And what is he?
2:23:56
SPEAKER_00: He's a powerful.
2:23:59
SPEAKER_00: Draymond is a power.
2:24:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Steven Adams, baby.
2:24:02
SPEAKER_00: They ain't got no center on that guy.
2:24:03
SPEAKER_03: I felt so bad.
2:24:05
SPEAKER_03: Steven Adams is bigger.
2:24:06
SPEAKER_03: They ain't got no center on the Warriors.
2:24:08
SPEAKER_03: He's hurt.
2:24:10
SPEAKER_03: They're gonna have a long career, honestly.
2:24:11
SPEAKER_03: Draymond Green is not that he's not that tall to start with.
2:24:15
SPEAKER_03: It's not even about the highest.
2:24:16
SPEAKER_06: There's certain things that you can look at.
2:24:18
SPEAKER_06: I'm telling you, I'm saying from a personal training status.
2:24:20
SPEAKER_06: You can see like where people's like physical um disalignments are at.
2:24:24
SPEAKER_06: And that's what I saw with um Zion Williamson.
2:24:28
SPEAKER_06: Tell us more about the Zion though.
2:24:29
SPEAKER_06: Um if you look, his knees go in, which doesn't mean he can't play, but it means that when he walks, you see it.
2:24:35
SPEAKER_06: He always does this little like he goes side to side.
2:24:38
SPEAKER_06: There's more pressure on his knees.
2:24:39
SPEAKER_06: We have a friend like that.
2:24:40
SPEAKER_06: Y'all know he walks like that.
2:24:41
SPEAKER_06: He just has a lot of like little injuries.
2:24:44
SPEAKER_03: Josh.
2:24:46
SPEAKER_06: Like it shows you that the hip is going like this because something is not balanced, right?
2:24:50
SPEAKER_06: So when he lands, he has to work on his mechanics, his deceleration, acceleration, um mechanics and how he lands, or else he's gonna come down bad when his knees are not gonna try to go in.
2:24:58
SPEAKER_06: So when he lands, it's it's he's more prone to you know uh tearing up ligaments essentially because of that.
2:25:04
SPEAKER_06: And um exactly, that's exactly where that came from because of the way he landed at some point toward it.
2:25:09
SPEAKER_06: And probably didn't feel it, but um the only way to really fix it, it's a lot of his genetics is he has to work on certain movements and that's gonna make him have to lose weight because every time it comes down, the weight is uh going it's coming down on his ligaments and just wearing them out.
2:25:22
SPEAKER_01: The pelicans have already straight up said they're not gonna ask to lose any weight.
2:25:31
SPEAKER_06: He's too eighty or five, and the reason why he can dunk whenever everyone moves out of the way is because of that size.
2:25:37
SPEAKER_06: But if he loses the weight, he's gonna last longer, he just won't be the design we know.
2:25:40
SPEAKER_06: He'll be able to jump, he'll basically become like, you know, an athletic wing.
2:25:45
SPEAKER_06: And because he's not gonna have the size, he's not gonna be as effective.
2:25:47
SPEAKER_06: So it's like, what do you want?
2:25:48
SPEAKER_06: Do you want him to be this superstar, jump through the air for like a good five years or maybe four years or less and then go downhill?
2:25:56
SPEAKER_06: Or do you want to lose the weight and preserve him and he just not be what he would have been?
2:25:59
SPEAKER_01: How much do you see him come back from this knee injury?
2:26:02
SPEAKER_01: Not to we're gonna get back to that uh uh question in a second.
2:26:05
SPEAKER_01: But if I'm an owner of the Pelicans, I would rather take the four years of superstar Zion, because we're not winning any games either way.
2:26:12
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna just make a lot of money.
2:26:14
SPEAKER_01: And when he gets hurt, we we lost games either way, so we have draft picks and we just draft again.
2:26:18
SPEAKER_01: But if I'm Zion and his family and his team and his agents, I'm going for the long ball because of course it's basketball shit.
2:26:24
SPEAKER_01: Once you're not a basketball player anymore, it's really slim for me to get a job.
2:26:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh what's your question again, uh?
2:26:29
SPEAKER_02: How do you like how well do you see him coming back from like this type of injury?
2:26:34
SPEAKER_02: Like how it depends on what they do.
2:26:36
SPEAKER_01: I think that um if they repair his meniscus, which sits you out longer, that'll be better for him, but he might not do that.
2:26:42
SPEAKER_01: They might just like remove the whole thing.
2:26:43
SPEAKER_01: We don't really know how bad it is.
2:26:45
SPEAKER_02: I hope they don't remove the whole thing because I don't want that nigga to be a person like Brandon Roy.
2:26:51
SPEAKER_02: I had more in my menus.
2:26:52
SPEAKER_01: Brandon Roy was different, though.
2:26:53
SPEAKER_01: He had degenerative Yeah, he got injured like in high school.
2:26:56
SPEAKER_01: Like he had bad.
2:26:57
SPEAKER_01: It can happen like that.
2:26:59
SPEAKER_06: It starts from an injury and then like if it happens again after a while, you start tearing away the ligaments, or is it the cartilage and he can't come out?
2:27:04
SPEAKER_02: Is it the same leg that he got injured in the um in the college game?
2:27:08
SPEAKER_02: That when he blew out his shoe?
2:27:10
SPEAKER_02: Because that that's what if it's the same leg, I was wondering if it started from that.
2:27:15
SPEAKER_01: But it's like shoes, like exploded.
2:27:17
SPEAKER_01: Look at uh D-Wade.
2:27:18
SPEAKER_01: So D-Wade had an opportunity.
2:27:19
SPEAKER_01: He was in the final four and he had a meniscus injury.
2:27:22
SPEAKER_01: He chose to just remove the whole thing instead of repairing it because he wanted to, he needed his draft stock to be better.
2:27:27
SPEAKER_01: So he chose the money.
2:27:28
SPEAKER_01: His career probably could have been longer, but he would have been drafted lower, got paid less, and we don't know if he would have been the superstar, not in terms of skill, but in terms of where he landed.
2:27:35
SPEAKER_01: Because you know, we can say that Miami worked out perfectly for him.
2:27:37
SPEAKER_01: He got to be the starting shooting guard, everything worked well point guard at first, but everything worked out well because he chose to bet on hey, I need to perform in the final four as opposed to let me sit out.
2:27:47
SPEAKER_01: Like Westbrook when his shit happened with Beverly, he chose to sit out.
2:27:50
SPEAKER_01: So the the Thunders team broke up because Westbrook wasn't there, they were losing in the finals.
2:27:55
SPEAKER_01: So it's really hard as a player to choose which one you want to do when it comes to that specific meniscus thing.
2:28:00
SPEAKER_01: And I feel like as a D-Way fan, I might have told him, like, yo, just get your shit repaired, bro.
2:28:04
SPEAKER_01: But no, no, I think his bet worked out.
2:28:05
SPEAKER_01: He was really blessed.
2:28:06
SPEAKER_01: No, no, he bet yeah, he it worked out perfectly for him.
2:28:09
SPEAKER_06: He had an opportunity to shine, he shined.
2:28:11
SPEAKER_06: He got a championship, Shaq came out.
2:28:12
SPEAKER_06: Three championships.
2:28:13
SPEAKER_06: One was by himself with Shaq or him and Shaq and like.
2:28:16
SPEAKER_02: Look at somebody like Brandon Roy.
2:28:18
SPEAKER_02: Brandon Roy was nasty, but his knees just couldn't perform.
2:28:21
SPEAKER_02: I'll give you a better one, Greg Odin.
2:28:23
SPEAKER_02: That dude was supposed to be Shaq.
2:28:24
SPEAKER_01: T Mac.
2:28:24
SPEAKER_01: I think it was just yo, Greg Odin was the truth, bro.
2:28:27
SPEAKER_02: That's the one with T.
2:28:28
SPEAKER_02: He rolls.
2:28:28
SPEAKER_02: That's a lot of knees.
2:28:31
SPEAKER_01: Why you don't like black people?
2:28:32
SPEAKER_01: Why you describe black people like that?
2:28:34
SPEAKER_01: You remember what this nigga just said?
2:28:36
SPEAKER_01: His face is mad, Droopy.
2:28:37
SPEAKER_01: Describe a white man to me right now.
2:28:40
SPEAKER_01: Who's the name of this person?
2:28:41
SPEAKER_01: Greg Odin.
2:28:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
2:28:45
SPEAKER_02: He looked 40 when he was 20.
2:28:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:28:48
SPEAKER_02: I don't like the way that's a good one.
2:28:48
SPEAKER_02: You remind me of Shoopy the Dog.
2:28:50
SPEAKER_01: I just didn't like the way you said it, nigga.
2:28:52
SPEAKER_01: I never hear you talk about a fancy.
2:28:53
SPEAKER_01: I feel bad.
2:28:55
SPEAKER_06: Greg Odin, he was on a kid.
2:28:57
SPEAKER_06: He was like a big thing.
2:28:59
SPEAKER_06: He wasn't bad.
2:28:59
SPEAKER_06: Nah, my name's Greg Odin.
2:29:00
SPEAKER_01: No, no, homo, he had like one of the biggest dicks ever, too.
2:29:03
SPEAKER_01: Like that was the thing.
2:29:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm dead serious.
2:29:05
SPEAKER_01: And he was mad depressed the fucking thing.
2:29:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm dead serious.
2:29:09
SPEAKER_01: Oh fuck.
2:29:09
SPEAKER_01: Look it up, sir.
2:29:10
SPEAKER_01: He had a drinking problem because he was like, I got this big dick, all this money.
2:29:14
SPEAKER_01: I can't play ball.
2:29:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm dead serious, man.
2:29:16
SPEAKER_05: Hashtag original man problems.
2:29:19
SPEAKER_05: He was tight.
2:29:19
SPEAKER_01: He had a drinking problem.
2:29:20
SPEAKER_01: He's in the big three now, see?
2:29:22
SPEAKER_01: Big three.
2:29:24
SPEAKER_01: I could have sworn he was in the big play.
2:29:25
SPEAKER_02: Yo, the big three league got some players.
2:29:27
SPEAKER_02: Like who?
2:29:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
2:29:29
SPEAKER_02: You don't know none of them.
2:29:30
SPEAKER_02: They don't know.
2:29:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
2:29:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
2:29:32
SPEAKER_02: I was watching, do you know what the NBA was?
2:29:34
SPEAKER_02: I was watching the Big Three, and I saw like they drafted some new people that just left the NBA and shit.
2:29:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Joe Johnson.
2:29:39
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, they got some good players from the NBA.
2:29:41
SPEAKER_06: But what if like all the star NBA players did not renew their contract and say we're gonna go play for the Big Three?
2:29:44
SPEAKER_06: That's a power move right now.
2:29:46
SPEAKER_06: That would shift all of the power money to the black people's.
2:29:51
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say.
2:29:52
SPEAKER_06: Is that what you want?
2:29:52
SPEAKER_01: That's the first thing.
2:29:53
SPEAKER_01: Is that what you want?
2:29:54
SPEAKER_01: Literally, that's what I was waiting for to be done.
2:29:56
SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna like, yeah, I'll just go back to the city.
2:30:01
SPEAKER_06: But that's what I'm saying.
2:30:02
SPEAKER_06: There's ways to make it happen.
2:30:03
SPEAKER_06: Nah, that's a fact.
2:30:04
SPEAKER_00: But not that he's that guy.
2:30:06
SPEAKER_06: Listen, you gotta remember they finally has to be a sacrifice.
2:30:09
SPEAKER_06: Bro, you gotta remember.
2:30:10
SPEAKER_02: Anytime a black man tries to get their show on TV, there's a lot of shit they gotta get through.
2:30:14
SPEAKER_02: Ice Cube made it and he's making it big.
2:30:16
SPEAKER_02: And now if everybody says fuck the NBA, we're going to the black own, bro, he's getting pulled off TV.
2:30:21
SPEAKER_01: If I'm LeBron, if I'm Carmelo, if I'm D Wade, if I'm uh Chris Paul, as soon as I retire from the NBA with this old smoke, I'm starting a league.
2:30:29
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm gonna team up with Ice Cube.
2:30:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, yo, forget this 303 shit.
2:30:32
SPEAKER_01: Let's make an actual.
2:30:33
SPEAKER_01: We can keep the 303 as like another thing.
2:30:35
SPEAKER_01: But let's make a full league.
2:30:36
SPEAKER_01: Let's make our own NBA.
2:30:37
SPEAKER_06: We can create an automatic black owners.
2:30:40
SPEAKER_06: Not gonna work though.
2:30:40
SPEAKER_06: LeBron got a lifetime Nike contract.
2:30:42
SPEAKER_03: He can't, he just can't do that.
2:30:43
SPEAKER_03: He got a lifetime Nike contract.
2:30:46
SPEAKER_06: How would why would it be bad?
2:30:47
SPEAKER_06: Because I mean that's what I think.
2:30:49
SPEAKER_06: Oh, kids always dream about.
2:30:50
SPEAKER_06: No, I'm not saying make it a black only league.
2:30:52
SPEAKER_06: No, you're creating another option.
2:30:54
SPEAKER_02: Nah, but the only thing like the only reason why I see the three on three work.
2:30:58
SPEAKER_02: The only reason why I see why the three on three really works is because you have these older cats that retired that still want to play.
2:31:04
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not saying get rid of the three-on-three.
2:31:06
SPEAKER_02: I'll keep that too.
2:31:07
SPEAKER_02: Then with the 5-5, now you gotta get all these young players out of college.
2:31:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:31:10
SPEAKER_02: Now when you do that, now they I feel like they'll do the same shit like what they did to LeBron's agent, where it is like, now you gotta have a degree as an agent to talk to certain people.
2:31:20
SPEAKER_02: I feel like there would be certain people that would try to tell like colleges to change their rules of like what they can leave.
2:31:27
SPEAKER_01: Like the players in the He's not in college anymore.
2:31:30
SPEAKER_01: So there's no No, but so then you can't draft the club.
2:31:33
SPEAKER_00: You can't draft like one of the on two.
2:31:38
SPEAKER_00: If the Stapleton obviously has teams like the Lakers and Clippers and all this other shit, and I'll just and I'm bringing money to that, to that, to that place, I could just say like this league, I don't want, I don't know.
2:31:50
SPEAKER_00: But I got the answer for you right now.
2:31:51
SPEAKER_01: If the black players don't play in the NBA, there's nobody's watching it.
2:31:55
SPEAKER_01: So then I have the money, because I have the players.
2:31:58
SPEAKER_01: People want to watch LeBron James Jr.
2:32:00
SPEAKER_01: play.
2:32:00
SPEAKER_01: If LeBron James Jr.
2:32:01
SPEAKER_01: isn't playing in the NBA, and you got a bunch of fucking hillbilly white kids playing basketball, nobody wants to watch him.
2:32:07
SPEAKER_06: The NBA has a monopoly on the NFL.
2:32:08
SPEAKER_02: No, I would say places would start making rules that you can't get like there'll be certain rules, like let's say like a state would say, like, for cod, you have to they recommend, like, or say like the state says you have to do four years or some stupid shit like that.
2:32:22
SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
2:32:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, I feel the government would start putting rules into effect that you as a black owner can't just draft like LeBron Jr.
2:32:29
SPEAKER_02: after his freshman year.
2:32:31
SPEAKER_01: I need to understand.
2:32:31
SPEAKER_01: So put me in this situation.
2:32:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna kill No, I'm gonna just give you my life and then tell me how they will stop me from going to this black-owned league.
2:32:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm a kid, I I just finished my uh senior season, I'm leading all basketball players in the nation and scoring.
2:32:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm black and I want to go play for the National Black League.
2:32:46
SPEAKER_01: Why why can't I go play?
2:32:48
SPEAKER_02: No, alright, so you see how you said you graduated.
2:32:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm in high school.
2:32:51
SPEAKER_02: In your high school?
2:32:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just finished.
2:32:53
SPEAKER_02: Now the government would say it's recommended that you have to go to college before you.
2:32:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm saying like, bro, there's certain law that this government, what you could that it's like, bro, really.
2:33:07
SPEAKER_06: There's no law that says there's no law that says you cannot come out of high school and go play for a random league.
2:33:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I couldn't.
2:33:12
SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying, like, I said the government would start making laws saying shit like that.
2:33:15
SPEAKER_02: The government would jump into work.
2:33:17
SPEAKER_06: That'd be the government jumping into a a business and saying, like, oh, this is what you can't do.
2:33:21
SPEAKER_06: That's unconstitutional.
2:33:22
SPEAKER_02: That'd be unconstitutional.
2:33:23
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
2:33:23
SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
2:33:26
SPEAKER_02: This is not gonna happen.
2:33:26
SPEAKER_02: How are you gonna talk about a black greatness?
2:33:28
SPEAKER_02: MB, I know.
2:33:31
SPEAKER_02: You think about it like this.
2:33:32
SPEAKER_02: All these NBA players, right?
2:33:33
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
2:33:34
SPEAKER_02: Now, all these NBA teams, they are bringing money in somewhere, and the government's eating out of that.
2:33:38
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, they're not bringing in money somehow.
2:33:40
SPEAKER_01: They're bringing in money because people want to watch LeBron James, Kevin DeBrone.
2:33:44
SPEAKER_02: And the government's eating off of that.
2:33:45
SPEAKER_02: Yes, right?
2:33:45
SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows.
2:33:46
SPEAKER_02: Now you start taking that away from them, and the only thing the government can get from these black owned businesses is taxes that you gotta pay.
2:33:52
SPEAKER_01: No, they're gonna they don't they don't give a fuck whether it's black or not.
2:33:54
SPEAKER_01: They just want the money at the end of the day.
2:33:56
SPEAKER_01: So they're like, well, sorry, NBA, y'all didn't do enough to keep these black players, the black league.
2:34:00
SPEAKER_01: Got all the shit now.
2:34:00
SPEAKER_01: Alright, this is your tax, you pay your tax, and that's it.
2:34:03
SPEAKER_01: That's how it works.
2:34:03
SPEAKER_06: They would have to come over.
2:34:04
SPEAKER_06: Like, that's the thing.
2:34:05
SPEAKER_06: We just have to go and do it.
2:34:06
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
2:34:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we need to do that.
2:34:10
SPEAKER_02: Like, I felt like the government would try to find a way, like, nah, like, we're not gonna let my or like the black people own this shit.
2:34:16
SPEAKER_02: Wait, you see what I'm saying?
2:34:18
SPEAKER_02: That's that's why I feel like that's the way that's like that.
2:34:20
SPEAKER_01: The way you're saying is unconstitutional.
2:34:21
SPEAKER_01: What I think they would do, they would just be like, oh, this is a rig, like this league is whack.
2:34:24
SPEAKER_01: They'll try to make like law, like zoning laws, like, oh no, y'all can't build this stadium here, even though they just destroy Brooklyn to build the Barclays.
2:34:31
SPEAKER_01: But that's shit like that.
2:34:33
SPEAKER_01: But that's just we'll still have the product though.
2:34:35
SPEAKER_01: Because we yo, if LeBron James is playing in the fucking PAL down the street, niggas is gonna watch LeBron.
2:34:40
SPEAKER_01: That's not the way they're playing that.
2:34:41
SPEAKER_01: Because the Drew League is successful and they don't have LeBron James there.
2:34:44
SPEAKER_01: Imagine if it doesn't matter how it starts, it's just how we finish it.
2:34:47
SPEAKER_01: Because eventually we're gonna have enough money.
2:34:49
SPEAKER_01: We don't give a fuck about your zoning laws.
2:34:50
SPEAKER_01: We can build a stadium in fucking in an African country and we can all just play in Africa.
2:34:54
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna have to watch.
2:34:56
SPEAKER_01: This is never gonna happen.
2:34:57
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna kill us without even talking about it.
2:34:58
SPEAKER_01: So it's not a good thing.
2:34:59
SPEAKER_01: So what happened?
2:34:59
SPEAKER_02: But isn't there a way that the government can ban it like from showing on TV?
2:35:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh no, because the networks want the money.
2:35:07
SPEAKER_06: YouTube, social media, they're gonna have to jump in on that piece after while it's like yours.
2:35:12
SPEAKER_01: BT is gonna be the first thing.
2:35:13
SPEAKER_01: What about the clothing?
2:35:14
SPEAKER_01: What about the jersey?
2:35:15
SPEAKER_01: We got those games.
2:35:16
SPEAKER_01: Think about that.
2:35:17
SPEAKER_01: Think about how much money they'll be losing if they don't allow the jersey.
2:35:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, these niggas would start being on some shit like how China, you can't watch their shit.
2:35:23
SPEAKER_02: You can't do that.
2:35:26
SPEAKER_06: Bro, the the the motivation of them of this country is money.
2:35:31
SPEAKER_06: So if there's money to be had, they will find a way to get into it.
2:35:34
SPEAKER_06: Even if it's coming out of black hands, once we decide like yo, you have to come through us to get the money, though.
2:35:40
SPEAKER_01: Bill Cosby's a nasty motherfucker.
2:35:41
SPEAKER_01: That's don't do that.
2:35:43
SPEAKER_01: The problem is he don't do it.
2:35:44
SPEAKER_01: He did what he did or whatever.
2:35:47
SPEAKER_02: He had some skeletons and get something on TV and they was like, no.
2:35:50
SPEAKER_02: There was another black guy recently that was trying to get either a TV channel or a show on TV that they was giving him a problem.
2:35:58
SPEAKER_01: The only reason why that's different is because with sports, we control the talent.
2:36:03
SPEAKER_01: Because if you just remove all the black players from most of these leagues, it's just not quality like sports.
2:36:08
SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't watch it.
2:36:09
SPEAKER_01: Like, who's the last American white basketball star?
2:36:13
SPEAKER_01: I think it's Kevin Love.
2:36:15
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that even counts.
2:36:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't even is he full American?
2:36:18
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he's not.
2:36:18
SPEAKER_06: He's not even a star.
2:36:19
SPEAKER_06: He's white.
2:36:19
SPEAKER_06: Are you talking about from America?
2:36:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just America.
2:36:21
SPEAKER_01: Because you know that's a good thing.
2:36:23
SPEAKER_02: I don't think Kevin Love is I don't think Kevin Love is from here.
2:36:26
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he is.
2:36:27
SPEAKER_01: He's American.
2:36:27
SPEAKER_04: Gordon Hayward to a degree.
2:36:29
SPEAKER_01: No, yeah.
2:36:29
SPEAKER_01: But like look at these dudes.
2:36:30
SPEAKER_01: There's one, there's one out of the 500 white people.
2:36:36
SPEAKER_01: I think that's fucking iron.
2:36:38
SPEAKER_01: There's no there's not enough great white basketball players.
2:36:41
SPEAKER_01: But another thing is the NBA and just.
2:36:43
SPEAKER_02: But great American white.
2:36:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no.
2:36:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's even enough great white basketball players.
2:36:47
SPEAKER_02: No, not not not like I'm not saying like great, like great players, but like these players that like Luca that come from like overseas and shit, they're way better.
2:36:53
SPEAKER_02: And they get like than like the American whites.
2:36:56
SPEAKER_02: No, absolutely.
2:36:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's my point.
2:36:58
SPEAKER_01: That's my point.
2:36:59
SPEAKER_02: What the fuck?
2:36:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's my point.
2:37:00
SPEAKER_02: That's my point.
2:37:01
SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
2:37:02
SPEAKER_02: Like if you have if you have a league with like like the overseas league where there's a bunch of Luca Donchis playing, niggas won't watch that shit.
2:37:09
SPEAKER_01: That's just not as exciting as the point.
2:37:11
SPEAKER_01: It's not as exciting as it's like.
2:37:12
SPEAKER_01: Nobody doesn't want to watch that shit.
2:37:13
SPEAKER_01: That's why they come to play in the NBA.
2:37:14
SPEAKER_01: Nobody's watching the European basketball.
2:37:16
SPEAKER_00: Unless it's the Olympics.
2:37:17
SPEAKER_00: What?
2:37:18
SPEAKER_00: A bunch of layups and shit.
2:37:19
SPEAKER_02: Nah, but I'm saying if you have people like Luka Donja that could dunk and all that shit.
2:37:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but Luca Donce is doing stepbacks.
2:37:24
SPEAKER_02: He's not really dunking.
2:37:24
SPEAKER_02: Like imagine a bunch of those.
2:37:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a bunch of things.
2:37:27
SPEAKER_02: Luka's not windmilling, I'm sorry.
2:37:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's not dunking.
2:37:29
SPEAKER_02: No, but I'm saying, imagine like I am imagining it's not a bunch of overseas niggas windmilling.
2:37:35
SPEAKER_02: Yo, you don't have to imagine.
2:37:35
SPEAKER_02: No, but that's not.
2:37:37
SPEAKER_02: What the fuck?
2:37:38
SPEAKER_02: What do you do?
2:37:39
SPEAKER_02: Boostate attributes, bad.
2:37:44
SPEAKER_06: Yo, do you have a white mo player or something?
2:37:46
SPEAKER_06: No, I got a black mop player.
2:37:48
SPEAKER_02: I got a black two-faced mouth player.
2:37:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good one.
2:37:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how the fuck that happened.
2:37:53
SPEAKER_01: Off the top of the head.
2:37:53
SPEAKER_01: Wait, what?
2:37:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh Jeffrey.
2:38:00
SPEAKER_02: Julie Bob.
2:38:01
SPEAKER_02: I really don't know how my mo player came out like that though.
2:38:04
SPEAKER_02: Because we're ugly.
2:38:04
SPEAKER_02: That's that face.
2:38:05
SPEAKER_02: That's that face can't bullshit.
2:38:07
SPEAKER_01: This nigga took a picture of that shit.
2:38:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that shit is funny, but I don't know.
2:38:10
SPEAKER_01: That's a funny thing.
2:38:12
SPEAKER_02: My forehead dark, my cheeks light.
2:38:13
SPEAKER_06: I don't want to say that's wrong, Ben.
2:38:15
SPEAKER_06: Yo, watch RJ Barrett's rise.
2:38:16
SPEAKER_06: I'm calling it from now.
2:38:18
SPEAKER_06: Alright, cool.
2:38:18
SPEAKER_06: RJ Barrett.
2:38:19
SPEAKER_06: RJ Barrett's rise.
2:38:20
SPEAKER_06: He's in a perfect environment.
2:38:21
SPEAKER_06: He wants it.
2:38:22
SPEAKER_06: He has the skill set.
2:38:23
SPEAKER_06: He's a great finisher at the basket.
2:38:25
SPEAKER_06: Y'all work against free throws, but he has the mindset for it, believe me.
2:38:27
SPEAKER_01: No, you Knicks fans, man.
2:38:28
SPEAKER_06: Godfrey sent me.
2:38:30
SPEAKER_06: I didn't say all this about Iman Shumper.
2:38:32
SPEAKER_06: I didn't say all this about even Porzingis.
2:38:33
SPEAKER_06: Porzingis is nice, but I always knew.
2:38:35
SPEAKER_06: Like he looks injury prone to me.
2:38:36
SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you how Godfrey's illusion.
2:38:38
SPEAKER_06: And also the NBA is built for someone like him.
2:38:41
SPEAKER_06: Like we're we're a very wing player dominated league, and he's that.
2:38:44
SPEAKER_06: But he can't shoot, though.
2:38:45
SPEAKER_06: He can shoot.
2:38:46
SPEAKER_00: Godfrey's out of his mind, man.
2:38:47
SPEAKER_00: So three for four.
2:38:48
SPEAKER_00: Godfrey sent me a video of RJ Barrett trying to dunk twice.
2:38:52
SPEAKER_00: He got blocked.
2:38:52
SPEAKER_00: He got blocked twice.
2:38:53
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't understand how to do it.
2:38:54
SPEAKER_00: I was wondering what you showed.
2:38:55
SPEAKER_00: No, you show him that like he has the heart to try to dunk on people.
2:38:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he does.
2:38:59
SPEAKER_00: Dunking on anybody.
2:39:00
SPEAKER_06: I know, but he's still young and he's.
2:39:09
SPEAKER_06: I don't even understand how the fucking thing is.
2:39:12
SPEAKER_06: Yo, I was just trying to show you he's trying.
2:39:21
SPEAKER_01: Kyrie is cooking.
2:39:22
SPEAKER_01: He's doing what Steph Curry's broken.
2:39:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
2:39:25
SPEAKER_01: No, no, but this team has to be top.
2:39:26
SPEAKER_01: No, no, this team has to be top three, top two.
2:39:29
SPEAKER_01: No, they they broke they broke that hold with Westbrook.
2:39:31
SPEAKER_01: Because when he won Mv3.
2:39:33
SPEAKER_01: That triple gumble joint is wild, though.
2:39:35
SPEAKER_06: You know he would to me, I think he was snap padding a little bit.
2:39:38
SPEAKER_01: That joint was wild, though.
2:39:39
SPEAKER_06: The average triple double is you're the MVP, bro.
2:39:41
SPEAKER_01: I think Steph Curry is the I mean Steph Curry.
2:39:43
SPEAKER_01: I think Russell Westbrook is the first MVP to get um to not be a top three seed.
2:39:48
SPEAKER_06: Russell Westbrook?
2:39:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he's the first one.
2:39:50
SPEAKER_06: Because before you had to be one or two, they're trying to spread the MVP ward around.
2:39:53
SPEAKER_06: They won't give it to certain people or back to back and stuff like that.
2:39:56
SPEAKER_06: Because they want to promote uh the league's growth, and they're they're really f fighting if they could to give one to like either Luca or they already gave one to Gianna, so international players like that.
2:40:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying who's like I'm telling you, the bad NBA is gonna be taken over by international players.
2:40:08
SPEAKER_01: They want to make it a worldwide game.
2:40:09
SPEAKER_01: It's all about money, bro.
2:40:10
SPEAKER_01: Because who's the best non-international black player that we have right now?
2:40:14
SPEAKER_01: That's young.
2:40:14
SPEAKER_01: Non-international player?
2:40:15
SPEAKER_01: Because you know what, you know what made me realize that the USA team was terrible because all the black dudes in the Knights are actually from other countries.
2:40:22
SPEAKER_01: The Maverickers, the Mavericks.
2:40:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh, they didn't play.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_01: Because Jason Tatum, he's not better than Giannis.
2:40:29
SPEAKER_01: None of these American blacks are better than Giannis.
2:40:30
SPEAKER_01: Besides Hardy.
2:40:31
SPEAKER_06: No, no, the best players didn't go.
2:40:32
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like hard as well.
2:40:34
SPEAKER_01: Not the super duperstar, because it wasn't the four Olympics, Olympics.
2:40:36
SPEAKER_01: But think about it.
2:40:37
SPEAKER_01: When I was thinking about our young players, a lot of these dudes are not as good as the But is Jason Tatum as good as Giannis on Tobo?
2:40:45
SPEAKER_06: How many Greeks are as good as Giannis onto TikTok?
2:40:46
SPEAKER_06: Oh, there's only one.
2:40:47
SPEAKER_06: Right.
2:40:47
SPEAKER_06: He's a freak in nature.
2:40:48
SPEAKER_06: How many Luka Donchis is there?
2:40:49
SPEAKER_06: Greek freak?
2:40:50
SPEAKER_06: One.
2:40:51
SPEAKER_06: How many um Yokes are there?
2:40:52
SPEAKER_06: Like there's there's not many Chicago.
2:40:53
SPEAKER_01: Those two Porzingas, they're from the same place.
2:40:55
SPEAKER_06: But you gotta understand, like, the guys that are going against Bowman who do play in the league.
2:40:58
SPEAKER_01: Not playing basketball.
2:40:59
SPEAKER_06: Novak?
2:41:00
SPEAKER_06: Wait, he loves the whites.
2:41:01
SPEAKER_06: Nah, that's why I say I know who Novak is.
2:41:03
SPEAKER_06: I'm just like, yo, I'm not sure.
2:41:05
SPEAKER_02: Luka Donchit and um and Perzingas.
2:41:07
SPEAKER_02: I was like, damn, Novak's American Novak.
2:41:09
SPEAKER_02: Wasn't he on the Knicks and wasn't he one of the big names fiat too?
2:41:12
SPEAKER_02: This nigga's nipples is getting hard like white basketball for the biggest biggest bigger.
2:41:16
SPEAKER_02: My nipples is hard as possible.
2:41:17
SPEAKER_02: But wasn't he one of the big white shooters for the why?
2:41:21
SPEAKER_03: Talking about Steve Novak Novak.
2:41:23
SPEAKER_01: You mentioned that Luca is about to bring up fucking Bob Coozie next up to the biggest.
2:41:29
SPEAKER_01: Every fucking white guy has Liga.
2:41:32
SPEAKER_01: He brought up Scalabrini.
2:41:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because my 2K player.
2:41:36
SPEAKER_01: No, this guy is scary.
2:41:38
SPEAKER_02: Nah.
2:41:39
SPEAKER_02: That nigga had that nigga, that was my legend.
2:41:41
SPEAKER_02: What you go for for the Nets?
2:41:43
SPEAKER_01: But we have Giannis, um Joel Embiid.
2:41:47
SPEAKER_01: Joel and Bede.
2:41:48
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of these dudes are not from here.
2:41:49
SPEAKER_06: Yo, listen, I'm not really I'm not ready to look at Giannis and like Joel and Bede and be like, oh, they're not.
2:41:54
SPEAKER_06: Like, because I uh American blacks, listen, we all, yo, they're part of the family to me.
2:41:59
SPEAKER_06: Like, I hate when they try to like, oh, he's from Greece, he's Greek.
2:42:02
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
2:42:03
SPEAKER_06: No, don't play that card.
2:42:05
SPEAKER_06: Now he's Greek.
2:42:06
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
2:42:06
SPEAKER_06: Well, that's that's I don't like that.
2:42:09
SPEAKER_06: Giannis the Greek.
2:42:10
SPEAKER_06: Nah, Giannis, but he's from Greek, he's born there.
2:42:13
SPEAKER_01: But his last name is Ansatokumpo.
2:42:14
SPEAKER_01: He's Nigerian as fuck.
2:42:16
SPEAKER_01: He said he said his culture is not Greek, he's a Nigerian now.
2:42:18
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for that.
2:42:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad he said that.
2:42:19
SPEAKER_06: I'm glad he's not one who's like, I'm a Greek man.
2:42:21
SPEAKER_06: He served in the Greek army, by the way.
2:42:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, he did?
2:42:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, him and his brothers, I think.
2:42:24
SPEAKER_01: And they were still like on the streets?
2:42:26
SPEAKER_06: Huh?
2:42:27
SPEAKER_06: They were still like on the streets and stuff?
2:42:28
SPEAKER_06: They did it when they were older.
2:42:29
SPEAKER_06: Oh, okay, okay, okay.
2:42:30
SPEAKER_06: When they were like already in the NBA and whatnot.
2:42:31
SPEAKER_06: But I just was already in the NBA.
2:42:34
SPEAKER_02: They want to characterize them as like, how the fuck you serve in the military and still being in summer?
2:42:38
SPEAKER_06: It might have been for a little stint, you know, I don't know.
2:42:39
SPEAKER_02: Just like how Shaq became a cop.
2:42:42
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh bro, hold on.
2:42:44
SPEAKER_02: That's my thing.
2:42:45
SPEAKER_02: He became a cop.
2:42:45
SPEAKER_02: And where was he really a cop?
2:42:47
SPEAKER_02: For like a day.
2:42:48
SPEAKER_02: For a day where?
2:42:49
SPEAKER_02: I think that shit was just for the.
2:42:50
SPEAKER_01: Shaq was legit a sheriff.
2:42:51
SPEAKER_01: He's the sheriff in Florida.
2:42:54
SPEAKER_02: But how do you become the sheriff and then like you just lose your job?
2:42:57
SPEAKER_06: He was like, this is not making enough money and go back to TV.
2:43:00
SPEAKER_02: Like, what the fuck?
2:43:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, D.
2:43:01
SPEAKER_06: Part time cop.
2:43:02
SPEAKER_06: We already knew he's gonna do that.
2:43:03
SPEAKER_06: Isn't he part of the DNT?
2:43:06
SPEAKER_02: I thought he was part of the all of the cash balls and that shit.
2:43:08
SPEAKER_06: That's what that's like.
2:43:09
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm glad he's a he's in the success there.
2:43:10
SPEAKER_06: But he started he set it up years ago because I remember him and Charles Barkley had this whole phone deal and he was always kind of in like his transition to the the panel.
2:43:17
SPEAKER_06: I don't like him.
2:43:18
SPEAKER_01: I love D-Way, but I don't think he matches that.
2:43:20
SPEAKER_06: I think he's gonna ruin that uh it's always it's rare that a superstar is good on those panels, to be honest.
2:43:25
SPEAKER_06: Like even Magic with his whole like he's never been good at that kind of thing.
2:43:29
SPEAKER_06: That's what I'm saying.
2:43:29
SPEAKER_06: Didn't D-Wade do it before?
2:43:32
SPEAKER_01: He's been a guest up there.
2:43:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's always been like a guest and like did it, but he wasn't bad to me, in my opinion.
2:43:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's different when you have to do it for the whole season, you know?
2:43:40
SPEAKER_01: True.
2:43:40
SPEAKER_01: Like they have like a good chemistry up there.
2:43:44
SPEAKER_02: Like just like how like even Derrick didn't want to change um the guy that used to announce him even after he died.
2:43:50
SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with you?
2:43:52
SPEAKER_01: Derekida's white?
2:43:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some of him is.
2:43:55
SPEAKER_01: That nigga got green eyes, don't he?
2:43:57
SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, so if uh you guys want to wrap up.
2:44:00
SPEAKER_01: I can't stand this.
2:44:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'll have more to talk about basketball, but sorry, though.
2:44:03
SPEAKER_01: No, we can't.
2:44:04
SPEAKER_06: I don't I guess it's I don't want to get that's too much energy to go into the market.
2:44:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, Garfield, we gotta I mean it's early in the season, that's what it's gonna be.
2:44:10
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
2:44:10
SPEAKER_06: I'm just talking about some of the arguments that people like to have with me in the chat, but they don't give me a lot of things.
2:44:13
SPEAKER_06: Oh no, we can do that.
2:44:14
SPEAKER_06: Like Jordan versus LeBron another time.
2:44:16
SPEAKER_01: Nah, we can we can start off the podcast with that.
2:44:18
SPEAKER_06: That Jordan versus Bron thing has to be just put in shit.
2:44:20
SPEAKER_01: Jordan versus Bron.
2:44:21
SPEAKER_06: For those who know anime, like Michael Jordan is all Mike.
2:44:23
SPEAKER_06: I'll tell you LeBron.
2:44:25
SPEAKER_06: I don't care what anybody says.
2:44:26
SPEAKER_06: Far distant too.
2:44:27
SPEAKER_06: You number two, but you back then.
2:44:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm actually surprised you admit that he's number two.
2:44:31
SPEAKER_06: I mean recent history, sure.
2:44:32
SPEAKER_06: Who's number two?
2:44:33
SPEAKER_01: See how he changed it?
2:44:34
SPEAKER_01: You don't think LeBron James is number two?
2:44:36
SPEAKER_01: In recent history to me, I'm sure.
2:44:38
SPEAKER_02: LeBron James ain't on my list.
2:44:39
SPEAKER_02: At all?
2:44:40
SPEAKER_02: At all.
2:44:40
SPEAKER_02: I don't like it.
2:44:41
SPEAKER_02: He's not one of the ten greatest players of all.
2:44:43
SPEAKER_02: Nah, I'm beyond, I I've never liked LeBron.
2:44:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Persian favorite is a good one.
2:44:47
SPEAKER_06: He's number five or six on my list, honestly.
2:44:49
SPEAKER_02: Personal favorite, he's not on my list.
2:44:50
SPEAKER_02: I think he's he's third.
2:44:51
SPEAKER_02: I never like you, you know the players that I like.
2:44:53
SPEAKER_02: I never like LeBron.
2:44:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you like uh I would put Jamal Covenant.
2:44:56
SPEAKER_01: He thinks Jamal Covenant.
2:44:57
SPEAKER_01: I'll put Paul Pittsburgh.
2:44:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't think the coaster.
2:44:59
SPEAKER_02: Bro, I never, for some reason, I don't, I can't tell you what it is.
2:45:02
SPEAKER_02: From ever since he came in the league, it's like the hype.
2:45:04
SPEAKER_02: I just never like, nah, not even that, nigga.
2:45:07
SPEAKER_06: Yo, put a southern sound on it.
2:45:09
SPEAKER_05: Or his accent on it.
2:45:10
SPEAKER_04: This is hilarious, man.
2:45:12
SPEAKER_06: I something about him I just don't like.
2:45:14
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
2:45:14
SPEAKER_06: Whenever he came in the league, I just didn't like that young man.
2:45:18
SPEAKER_01: Big nose, nappy ass.
2:45:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was like me, huh?
2:45:22
SPEAKER_06: That's the sad part.
2:45:23
SPEAKER_06: Nah, LeBron's been phenomenal, honestly.
2:45:25
SPEAKER_06: This guy, the freak of nature things he's done is just out of this world.
2:45:28
SPEAKER_06: Like, I'm gonna be honest, like, there's no one you want to watch.
2:45:30
SPEAKER_06: Never got fucking injured in him in his prime.
2:45:32
SPEAKER_06: Like, his 2013 campaign, that was ridiculous.
2:45:36
SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
2:45:36
SPEAKER_06: He beat the Wolf.
2:45:37
SPEAKER_01: That game was ridiculous.
2:45:38
SPEAKER_01: When they won the most games off.
2:45:40
SPEAKER_06: We're not gonna talk about that because there's a lot of things that went into that.
2:45:42
SPEAKER_06: Nigga, that's bro.
2:45:43
SPEAKER_06: A lot went into that.
2:45:46
SPEAKER_01: You don't know any of the players.
2:45:48
SPEAKER_02: I'll just actually Steve Kerr.
2:45:54
SPEAKER_01: He knew that name right off the room.
2:45:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, what was the name of the coach that got them to where they was at, though?
2:45:58
SPEAKER_06: The coach they had before that.
2:45:59
SPEAKER_01: The black one.
2:46:04
SPEAKER_01: We gotta stop.
2:46:11
SPEAKER_01: Bob Donovich.
2:46:12
SPEAKER_01: Can you take us out?
2:46:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh Charles with J.
2:46:14
SPEAKER_01: No, I ain't taking y'all nowhere.
2:46:17
SPEAKER_02: Don't bring the gun with you.
2:46:18
SPEAKER_02: So this has definitely been some drill music money.
2:46:22
SPEAKER_02: Definitely, I know these niggas ain't taking a charge for me money.
2:46:26
SPEAKER_02: Definitely AG thinks I'm white.
2:46:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why money.
2:46:29
SPEAKER_02: I wonder why.
2:46:30
SPEAKER_02: But this has definitely been another episode of Gas Money.
2:46:33
SPEAKER_01: Can I get a perfect?
2:46:35
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
2:46:36
SPEAKER_01: That was that was bad.
2:46:37
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
2:46:38
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
2:46:38
SPEAKER_00: I thought he was gonna say it.
2:46:39
SPEAKER_00: That was a lot better.
2:46:40
SPEAKER_02: Nah, I was gonna say no.