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Chicago Bears vs Green Bay Packers Postgame: Wrap It Up with Jacob Infante! · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears 5 game winning streak has come to an end in crushing fashion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears have fallen to the Green Bay Packers 28 to 21, came down to the very last minute, but unable to execute on that final drive, unable to get it into the end zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to wrap it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Jacob and Fonte for the official post game recap show of the second city gridiron YouTube and Facebook channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also live here on my Twitter or
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's a it's a bummer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could have something more exciting to break down things were definitely looking encouraging in that second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the bears were able to turn things around scored 11 points in that third quarter, but they're moving the ball down the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were moving the ball down the field, but that last that interception on fourth down
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they fall to nine and four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot we're going to talk about here on the show today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to start things off Ellis and the Twitter chat says, awful call at the end, but it was the first half that truly cost us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So ultimately I agree, I think that in the NFL, you can never point to one specific player, one specific player, and be like, okay, that's the only reason that they lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the fact that it was, you know, you're down by a touchdown late in the fourth quarter, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It shows that clearly something went wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first half I agree, they went into half time as 14 to three, the bears were down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a brutal first half from start to finish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they actually executed, then who knows exactly how good they could have been and how things could have turned out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the offense just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't executing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the pass protection wasn't good in the first half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It got better in the second half for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams felt a lot more comfortable in the second half, but the first half wasn't very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The run game got a little bit better in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the first half was nothing to really write home about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, yeah, if you kept that that second half level of play going through all four quarters, the bears would have won this game, but that just wasn't the case unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I, for those of you watching live, I tweeted out a video of the, you know, the clip where Caleb Williams, you know, rolled out left and threw it to Cole commit in the end zone, who's clearly covered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a good throw, wasn't a good decision to throw that ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a great call by Ben Johnson to execute, you know, to make that the fourth down play, in my opinion, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb had DJ more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had DJ more on the flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, part it would have been a little bit of a difficult throw, but that's the caliber of throw that Caleb Williams has already made several times in the past that, you know, across his body and it's not necessarily like DJ would have had to, you know, work across his own body and make the catch like he had some space to work with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, underneath and you know, I think that's part of like the high low concept they executed where, you know, if DJ, if Cole can that wasn't open over the top then DJ was going to be open underneath it was a bang bang play, but again, that's a play that an NFL quarterback starting quarterback has to make all that said Caleb Williams wasn't bad today, uh, he wasn't great, uh, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just my take on the matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were, you know, there were highs and there were lows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: going into this game like okay was terrible then you're really overlooking a lot of really overlooking a lot of the good that he did in the second half but if you're also saying oh he was fantastic he was you know he the reason that the bears lost was solely because of the defense or whatever the case might be then I think you're also you know overlooking some things so at
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's it's a much more nuanced conversation than Caleb equals good or Caleb equals bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a little bit of both, honestly, and we saw that today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as we're going through here, a couple of you are mentioning here in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you throw it into combat first read, he's open right out of the gate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a couple of people have mentioned that that combat was wide open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we go through and watch it here, obviously, I can't pull it up necessarily, but if we watch here, Caleb's rolling out to his left, he's got DeAndre Swift coming out of the backfield on like a,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, like go into the flat and I can't really tell from this replay necessarily, but it looks like Caleb might have been a split second to late to actually pull the trigger on combat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, again, I could be wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to check from a different angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I'm looking again here, you can see DJ Moore becomes open as, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: whoever that is that's 24 or 21, I can't see very well, but one of the defenders as you'll see go I've if you're not if you don't have the clip pulled up I definitely recommend you go back and watch it one of the defenders cuts back because they notice a lot of days of keys showing up underneath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: literally like a three-level read where you have commit going over the top and then you have DJ more not necessarily the intermediate but you know like a more mid-level sort of route across you know over towards the sidelines and then the key is underneath
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[SPEAKER_00]: That one defender goes to Zacchaeus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: More was open there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd have to go back and check to see from a different angle if Cole-Comet was truly wide open on that touch-down pass and Caleb just threw it to him late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But all I know at the time that ball is thrown, he wasn't open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With something that the second half might be a little bit more satisfying to watch from a peer like, hey, I'm a bears fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: shitty football again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's my team playing, but the second half should be better with that, but that'll be something that I'm looking forward to checking out and looking a little bit deeper into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and man from the twitter chat says i'm still optimistic about the bears and honestly i think that obviously this wasn't a game this wasn't the bears best game this was a game you know you hope they'd be able to pull off and win uh but i think that it shows that you know they're still a serious team
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're going to Green Bay, it's one of the more hostile environments for an opposing team to go to, you know, in the cold weather with a, you know, a die hard packers fan base, like that's not an easy environment to win in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that going into this game admittedly I expected the bears to lose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that, you know, a good handful of others did too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously you're not hoping the bears lose, but I think this is one where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The packers are just a really good team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they weren't perfect today, but they played pretty damn good football for a majority of that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They deserve a lot of credit for how we'll coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were for how Jeff Hathley looked, especially in the first half that deep that Packers defense was fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even in the second half, I mean, Caleb was still pressure to decent amount.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just able to get out of those sacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Packers deserve a lot of credit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are a very good team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get those two teams in two weeks at Soldier Field, I mean, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually I don't think that there's like a seven point slant from, you know, for being the home team or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the bear's work competitive in a difficult environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Packers team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe is much better than the Packers team last year, especially in week 18, that the bear's ended up playing and beating at Lambo field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm still optimistic too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was one where I mean, it would have been great to win and coming so close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just stings obviously, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, there's only so much, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still plenty of football left still plenty of football off to play this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the Browns next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the Packers again, 49ers and Lions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still believe if you go two of two in those games, which I think they can't, I think they're likely to beat the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in the NFL, you know, never say never who knows, but I think they're likely to beat the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they can beat one of those three teams, if they can beat one of those three teams, the Packers
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[SPEAKER_00]: the lions at home and then the 49ers, I think that's in San Francisco, but still 49ers aren't invincible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I get it losing to the packers, always sucks, no matter what, no matter what year it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it could have been a lot worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they showed a lot of fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They showed
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm still optimistic on that end, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tough loss, but, you know, it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking for a comment to pull up here and if anybody's got any questions or anything that we want to or anything you want to point out that I can talk to here, just feel free to let me know in the chat on Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, wherever you're watching it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, if you're just joining now, welcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is wrap it up with Jacob and Fonte, the official post game show of the second city grid iron network.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also the most viewed fucking bears post game show on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, to my own horn because I have the fragile ego, but it's fun to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the place to be you guys are a lot of fun and you provide a lot of insightful content that's excited to chat about with you guys here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steven Fonte coming in, we got beat up in the trenches and as much as I hate to say it, we were out coach today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, for the most part, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that especially in the first half, it wasn't even close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Jeff Hathley, the Packers defensive coordinator, coach circles around Ben Johnson and Matt Muffler, coach circles around Denis Allen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that down the stretch, Ben Johnson made the capable adjustments and the offense looked a lot better in the second half,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, I mean, I think for the most part, the trenches, the packers did a good job of putting pressure on, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Packers did a good job of putting pressure on Caleb Williams throughout the course of the game and yeah, I mean in the trenches as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Packers pass protection was a lot better than the bears pass rush today even going back to, you know, one of those touchdowns where they, you know, they sent what was it like six or seven defenders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, even in a loss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a fucking child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, I, so for those of you who are only listening to the audio version, I did the six, seven thing because I'm immature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I realized if somebody were listening, you probably have kids who do the six, seven thing and you're like, God, this six, seven thing sucks, but I did it because I am worthless.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'm joking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm with you for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't it says Jacob I'm just so sad we came to compete in the second half and I'm just so beat up about the fact it ended like that I'm with you man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's easy to get lost in the the negativity of oh damn the bears just lost they lost the packers and it came down to the wire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, it's a competitive team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, they rallied back in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're putting together 18 of your 21 points coming in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the passing attack looked a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The separation looked better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb was playing on time a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really impressive turnaround, genuinely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, obviously, for it to end in an interception late in the fourth quarter, it stings for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I keep trying to remind myself that this is the first season of Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you can't win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't win them all and be competitive against a perennial playoff team, a perennial NFC North contender in the Green Bay Packers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it sucks to lose it sucks to lose but this this at least to me this doesn't sting nearly as much as the ravens game did where the ravens were playing bad football and Tyler Huntley was the quarterback and it's like why the hell did they lose that game by that much this game at least it was a pretty pretty full strength packers team on the road yeah so
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I just got a text from one of my boys I used to work with who he's a Packers fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just texted me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, nothing else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to I'm going to get to that in a second here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He got me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He got me good, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, as Kiwi Bear says in the chat here, that third and two, we have three guys making it combined $45 million that missed the tackle on Josh Jacobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a tough run in particular.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Josh Jacobs is an incredible running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have a player that caliber naturally, he's going to be a little bit tougher to tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but even still, I think that there are a couple instances where the bears defenders were a little bit too aggressive in pursuit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like over pursuing their angles, overshooting and not putting themselves in the right position, breaking down in space, a little bit of a bummer for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: not to say that the run defense was consistently bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are a couple of players where they're able to hold their own in the trenches and we're able to, you know, plug up running lanes for Jacobs and mostly for Jacobs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a manual Wilson had like three touches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew's angry says, the whole them do a field goal there on that, if it seemed that last drive, and I think we win it or get to OT.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you know, they were in field goal range at the time that the bears, you know, at the time of the bears through that interception.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if you're able to hold them to a field goal, you play that a lot differently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're a little bit more conservative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, you definitely would have gone for the field goal at fourth and one there, at least I would have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you could, you know, argue, send it to overtime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could argue until the cows come on, be like, hey, what maybe the packer, maybe the packer's offense was going to be able to get back in a field of old range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think it definitely stung, uh, given up that last touchdown for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what have been, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: would have been huge if the bears didn't allow even just a field goal there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you would have tacked that a lot differently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You would have won the clock down a lot more than the bears did too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, you know, still did a decent job of running the clock down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They went 60 yards, ran down a little over three minutes off the clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's a bummer to think about, I mean, obviously the defense had its moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nation on right called, you know, they had that offensive pass in interference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have had an interception for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in position to pick them all off if he didn't get, you know, the pass in interference against him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then CJ Gardner Johnson had that pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bear's offense wasn't able to capitalize on it because the bear's offense and the first half was absolute ass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's tough to look like to point it and be like, oh, if, you know, this one played it and happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this one played it and happened to think about how things would have done differently, I think that the bear said a little bit more momentum at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you get to overtime, I mean, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all purely hypothetical, but yeah, I mean, you could certainly make the argument something can happen there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: David in the chat says jail and johnson atrocious tackling effort, he must not be healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a liability right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's one thing where I'll admit, like I don't want to be too harsh on jail and johnson because he's been through a lot this year to be able to, you know, battle through, you know, multiple injuries and, you know, to come back the way he has anything is commendable, but I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't break and down specifically in my, like my Patreon breakdowns where I do scout on reports on a handful of bears players every single week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't break them down last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I will this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he did look like a maybe a step slower last week and this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, the secondary didn't do all that great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't key in on Jalen specifically and coverage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But tackling, yeah, I mean, I think that it wasn't necessarily his best game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'd be the first to admit that I don't know if it's a matter of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Still not being 100% or what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, I noticed that a little bit last week, Jayland didn't look too hot, and then today, the secondary and general didn't tackle very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jayland had some missed opportunities too, but yeah, it's tough to think about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Astrix in the chat here says,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's an asterisk, right?
19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on, let me see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is an asterisk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So too much man in blitzing and not enough pressure, result in an easy touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the, Dennis Allen, I've given him a lot of credit this year for dialing up the pressure with blitzes like being able to,
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[SPEAKER_00]: adding to that, you know, to generate pressure by the scheme more so than the individual play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the defensive line wasn't all that good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to be honest as far as generating pressure with the with the front four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been an issue for most of this year.
20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Montez, what's been good?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dexter's been solid, rushing the passer, but other than that, there hasn't been a consistent force in that pass rush all year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, I mean, a man heavy approach and, you know, it works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're secondary strong, but the secondary wasn't performing very well today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The blitzing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, usually they've done a pretty good job of dialing up the blitz and using that to generate pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't the case this go around, which sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you know, it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, and that's going to result in easy touch shots, especially when you have speedy receivers down the field, like Jayden Reed and Christian Watson.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Christian Watson's been really cooking the last couple weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to get him credit for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, he's dealt with injuries throughout his NFL career, but he's
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[SPEAKER_00]: is living up to its potential a little bit more recently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So given credit for that, but yeah, the defense, that's the downfall of having to rely heavily on the blitz to generate pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it puts a lot of pressure on your secondary to do well in, you know, on an island in those one-on-one situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't do that, then it's,
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of your your swimming up shit's creep without a paddle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So pretty brutal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, as more lemon heads, please mention in the chat, three touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We blitz DBs who got no pressure, which sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not not great not great to think about what he Davis OMG he's so cute is he single yes i am single i know right wow this is crazy oh my god ha ha wow uh yes so there's any if there's any ladies out there trying to make me feel better about my team blowing uh blowing a lead against the divisional rival hit me up dms
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[SPEAKER_00]: think they're open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the DMs are open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So send me whatever, please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that leads us to the rest of this game where the bears lose 28 to 21 against the Green Bay Packers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if anybody has any questions, feel free to fire them away in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm realizing, I need to text my buddy back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a Packers fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just texted me, hey, and I'm sending him the nothing to smile about in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Picture with the guy at the Bears hat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm gonna take the respectful approach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna say, good game, honestly, you guys out coached us, which is fair, in the first half, especially,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Half we had us in a blender, those first few quarters, sucks to lose like that, but at least we were competitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Realistically, I think the the packers did out coach the bears things definitely got better in the second half, but overall if they're if they're more efficient the first half and that's probably a game they win, but I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: House Beer Hall says Jacob and Fonte is better than Nick McLeod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean my God, so I'll give I'll give Nick McLeod credit He did have one pass break up in the second half, which was pretty nice But yeah, that that he's been I don't know if it's still the case, but I know at one point when he was targeted It was a 158.3 allowed targeted pass rating so that was
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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty rough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, me and Adam responsible for two past break ups, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, we'll have to go back and watch that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I know early on in the early on in the game wasn't too hot, and this year just hasn't been great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, if you don't have Kyler Gordon, who suffered a growing injury, that's what Adam out for most of the last few weeks than he came back, then he got hurt and warm ups, which obviously that stings, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: whenever, you know, you don't have your starting nickel corner back naturally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means, you know, you go to the next man up who's down further down on the depth chart for a reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which, which sucks shall be says beautiful decor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this actually I wish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that this was mine to core, which this was my apartment, but I'm actually at my dad's right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he is plays looks a lot more professional and a lot more adult than mine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can see the clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this looks pretty nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The clock is pretty sweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this is a Louis V gun, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Louis Vuitton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is, this is messing with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if you're listening to this live on the podcast, you're probably not going to be, you're probably going to be annoyed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a Louis Vuitton Louis Vuitton Tommy gun in the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So hell yeah, thank you Shelby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think the backdrop looks pretty sweet too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I came over to watch the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's in the city and I'm in the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, hell yeah, why not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan King says, I don't know about anybody else, but that game made me excited for these bears packers, games in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Silly mistakes, but the team played with passion, which has been severely lacking the last several years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we touched a little bit about it, about the optimism coming out of this game earlier in the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think that this was a game where a lot of what went wrong is pretty coachable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: from a pure talent perspective, I don't come away from that like, oh, the bears are significantly less talented than the Packers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Packers won the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could argue they're the more talented team, but I don't think it's a massive discrepancy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if the bears play a clean game of football, they probably would have been able to win that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, granted, the Packers made some mistakes too down the line, but,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, it's goes to show how many years of failure the Bears have had against the Packers last year's final game excluded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was the, that's the only game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep in mind, that's the only game the Bears have won against Green Bay in the entire decade of the 2020s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most other games have been pretty decisively green Bay all the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, I mean, was also close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears, they're still playing Green Bay competitively, but I think as this is a better Green Bay team as some of what we've seen last year, I do think that this is a better bears team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that showed in the way that they bounced back and the way that they didn't quit and so the way that they adjusted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, in,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in eberfluous era, in probably a mattenaggy era, you're not seeing as much of that second half adjustment, that ability to diagnose, all right, what went wrong, how can we fix that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what Ben Johnson's getting paid the bigsbox for, is to be able to identify what the problems are and what moves to be able to make what coaching adjustments to make to bounce back in the second half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it works, you know, I mean, obviously it didn't work in the form of a win, but they got a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bummed out the bears lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime you lose to Green Bay, it sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, bears fans know as good as anyone, losing due your main division arrival is always pretty bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I feel like things are a little bit better this go around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: House Beer Hall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My guys over at House Beer Hall say if you could give the opposite of a game ball game fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To one offensive player one defensive player who to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm checking here too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I got distracted because I have the attention span of a squirrel and I'm checking on Twitter to see how the show is doing right now right now we're doing pretty solid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: little under 4,300 people watching live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Much appreciate it, but get to the question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not dodging it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To one offensive player and one defensive player and a game fall so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, coming out of that game, DJ Moore got targeted three times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He only called one pass for negative four yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the one where they had him go in motion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They ran the, they ran the jet sleep to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was the jet sweep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he got tackled after the line of skirmish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I obviously, like, you know, I tweeted out after the fact that you had DJ more open across the middle of the field, it would have been a little bit tougher, but it's one that Caleb Williams is it's a type of throw that Caleb Williams has made before, but all in all, I mean, DJ more when you didn't have a doonset, you needed more to step up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he did consistently nearly enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in the first half, I mean, you're looking, guys just aren't able to get open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: DJ was one of those guys who wasn't able to get open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in the second half, you saw more opportunities, show up for Luther Burton, for Colston Lovelin, for Cole Comet, a little bit down the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even Devon Duvernay had a nice grab down the field on that 24 yard pickup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But DJ just consistently wasn't, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: around he wasn't open very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to seeing with the alt-22s to say to see if you know that backs up what I saw on the broadcast tape because you can ever identify for 100 percent what happens from just the broadcast tape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have the alt-22 that provides a much better understanding of what went wrong and where it went wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Defense though that's a little bit
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[SPEAKER_00]: to one defensive player specifically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I might just cheat and say the whole defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, on first glance, Jervon Dexter was an amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grady Jarrett didn't really generate much pressure up the middle on passing downs, Andrew Billings is, you know, a little bit, you know, used a little bit more as a run defender, which is interesting because I thought he was a little bit better as a past rush or actually last two seasons under E reflux, but, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's very little pressure up the middle from that defensive tackle room and I think that that didn't really get Jordan love off platform very often and didn't disrupt a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he had like a strong pocket to work with pretty consistently and when you have a clean pocket to work with it makes it a lot tougher to disrupt place if you're a defense if you're a secondary, especially if you're if you're blowing these assignments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then, you know, you have a clean pocket, the quarterback's going to be able to exploit that and he's going to be able to get them all to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll I'll go the defensive tackle for I know that's a little bit cheating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say definitively one man over everybody else, but I think that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Austin Booker had some plays in the run game, rushing the passer, just didn't really move the needle for me, Montes, sweat, had a sack, not a bad game for Montes, sweat, obviously whenever you have a sack, that's not a bad game per se.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the pressure and just what the pressures just weren't, what they needed to be from the defensive line entirely and the lack of the pressure of the middle was pretty lackluster
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Yankee also mentions in the chat here defense brisker jacuan brisker that that's honestly a pretty good one I know on that One of the depots I think it was Watson I think it was Watson where brisker was
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[SPEAKER_00]: presented way too much cushion across the middle of the field and they blitz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They ran at six or seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, guys rushing the passer and then they relied heavily on the defensive backs and brisker was playing a little bit too passive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, naturally, I know safety, you're a little bit more used to playing awful in a skirmish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not playing as much impressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That clearly wasn't as assignment, but even then
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's way too much cushion and then at the top of the route where, you know, you're making your, you're accelerating out of your breaks at the top of your route and you have all this cushion to work with immediately that it's definitely in up pill battle for your for your receivers to work with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: afford to be a little bit late in those diagnoses and to be a little bit more cushiony and coverage like he doesn't have that Kevin Byrd sort of range or like a primate Jackson where you know maybe like a little bit more explosive sort of speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, briskers are good athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he's lead enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from a speed perspective to where he can afford to consistently be more cushiony and coverage and allow that initial separation off the top of the route and then jump those routes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just clearly it didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll have to touch down on that specific place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.
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38:39
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[SPEAKER_00]: So more lemon heads, please, says, how can we start better,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, the last couple weeks, the bears haven't been as consistent firing out of the gates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that was something early in the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears did a good job of scripting plays that worked to Caleb's strength a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think part of it is the bears just didn't run the ball very much that early, or they didn't run effectively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to go, if you go drive by drive here, which I'm going to do, that first play, DeAndre Swift up the middle for five yards on first down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It nice encouraging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Second and five Caleb Williams pass and complete short left to Luther Burton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then third and five Caleb scrambles right for first down panel offence of holding on to our now right penalty You lose ten yards and then Caleb is in complete deep to DJ more than that's a three not on the opening drive I'd rely a little bit more on the run game because maybe this is just me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Caleb is For better or worse a little bit of a slow starter and he's someone who heats up as the game goes on I'm earth
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[SPEAKER_00]: the, I'm trying to think of the best way to put it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, if he eats up as the game goes on, or he gets cold, as the game goes on, as an ice in his veins, as an iceman, whatever the fuck you want to call him, whatever, point is he gets better in the second half, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the more comfortable he gets, getting a feel for the defense, getting a feel for how they cover, I think the better he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I think that some of that comes down to putting some of the pressure off of putting some of the pressure off of Caleb right out of the gate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I go here too, let's go to the second drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first pass was that in completion where it looked like Colston level and caught it and then
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[SPEAKER_00]: It turned out to be an incomplete pass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: False start by colst and loveland, pass and complete on second and 15, passing, complete on second and on third and 15, fourth and 15.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously you're seeing
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[SPEAKER_00]: penalties are playing into this for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's making it a lot more difficult to string momentum together when your offense of line is getting called for holding or you're getting called for false starts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the, that's one of the things that's a little bit of a bummer about the bear's offense is they do a really good job of keeping defenses guessing with pre-snap motion and also kind of through that kind of revealing to the quarterback what kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it works well, it works really well, and it's effective for the offense, but your whole team has to be on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't be having guys, you know, hitting these false starts like, you know, level and had one, and it darned all rights had a few over the course of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Theo Bennett, it's had some over the course when he was starting a love tackle to, I think Jonah Jackson maybe has had two or three or so over the course of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to go back and check, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: false starts naturally are a bit more of an issue for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you when you rely on that pre-snap motion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd say run the ball as key starting out of the gate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears do a really good job when they set the tone early and what I think their best at right now is just running it up the middle and then using that to open up play action or to
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[SPEAKER_00]: keep the defense guessing and then stretch the ball down the field a little bit on those you know deep passes across the middle of the field where Caleb's been really good this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Outside of the numbers across the hash marks on the sidelines I mean that's a different story but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if you take a little bit more of a run heavy approach, that allows Caleb to ease into it a little bit more, I think, and then get him comfortable for the second half, so that depending on what the score is, what kind of situation you're in, he's a little bit more warm, and I mean, you probably don't have as much, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You probably don't have as much panic about down the stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like the the use of both Swift and the non guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Swift was a little bit better today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had 4.8 yards per carry on 13 runs, monon guy at 4.1 on 14 carries, but I feel like they're still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even if Swift was a little bit better today, I think they're both still talented running backs, obviously, and you need to get them both involved in the offense by, you know, I mean, it's necessary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that you have a...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Traditional like bruiser type of running back in menonga used tough and can run in between the tackles and can find those open lanes consistently and squeeze through those, you know, squeeze through those lanes as a downhill runner and then you have swift who can win the, you know, the, the outside zone, the wide zone runs he can, he's shown he's gotten better at being able to cut inside on those sort of runs, but he can also, you know, cut outside of the tackles as well and make those work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's another thing, too, I think that you have those two really talented running backs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think lean on that early, lean on that early because unless there's some sort of disaster, I mean, you're not playing from two, three scores behind to open up your first offensive drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, come on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you have plenty of time to work with, play your brand of football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were a little too eager to throw the ball right out of the gate and Caleb wasn't ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and that and I think just halfly the pressure that he was able to generate with the blitzes, the offensive line wasn't ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'd just say run the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little bit of a, you know, a general term.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, you know, maybe monogas a little better on inside zones, swift a little bit better on outside zone and wide zone, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: adjust that a little bit, you know, so that's the way that I'd go with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: David said, I just want Caleb to hit one deep ball from the pocket like we do with love and may every week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that you look at the two quarterbacks play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously Jordan love was the superior quarterback over Caleb Williams today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's definitely been the case this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan love is the superior quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that
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[SPEAKER_00]: As fun as it is to be like, Oh, Jordan love whatever the fuck I don't want who cares.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I again keep getting distracted, but I think that there's still some instances on tape where there's just a lack of
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm blanking right now, but I think with Jordan love you feel a lot more comfortable with how he moves the ball down the field and you feel a lot more comfortable with his consistent touch to all levels of the defense attacking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Outside the numbers attacking across the middle of the field, the intermediate game, the deep game, I think that love does a lot better at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Caleb, he's shown flashes, it's just the consistency he's not there yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: more often than not, the bears rely a little bit more on stretching the ball down the field with passes that travel for more air yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as a result of that, I mean, it's going to be more boomer bust, just naturally the further you throw the ball down the fields, that's a higher risk lower, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: lower percentage of completion by default, but I think that Caleb all things considered is throwing the deep ball at a rather above average rate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the intermediates to the hash marks that aren't all that great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the fact that the bears are relying heavily on that deep ball to where it's like, yeah, of course, Caleb's going to go for, you know, less than 50% on passes that travel for more than 20% of air yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every NFL quarterback does, like you can go through and look at the notes and look at the stats over the course of the year, guys with throw when, you know, 40% completion percentage, uh, quote, maybe close to 50%, like 30% for on the deep ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of those completions come from the underneath, which I think that Caleb especially earlier in the year was a little more inconsistent on I think they've kind of shied away from those this seat as the seasons progressed, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at the same time, like the, you saw in the second half, the offense looked pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The offense is still effective in spite of Caleb Williams may be not having the highest completion percentage in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And today it was just under 54.3%, I know that that's, it's far short from the 70% that Ben Johnson set out at the beginning of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think that Ben Johnson has adjusted his game plan a lot more,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I think that that's playing, that's definitely playing a factor in the fact that Caleb's having consistently pretty bad completion percentages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote an article about that at Wendy City Gridiron that shows that in the grand scheme of things from a peer, you look at it from a completion percentage perspective, from a passerrating perspective,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb is in a above average deep ball thrower.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's below average on screens and flat routes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's below average on intermediate passes outside of the hash marks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's really good across the middle of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just statistically, that's the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or that's what the truth has been this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some encouraging, there are some encouraging passes for sure, and then David also clarifies mentioned in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like a go ball, not a deep crosser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The deep crosser, I think Caleb has done pretty good on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The go ball just isn't quite there, and I think that definitely plays into those issues that I mentioned outside of the hash
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, that's not what you want at this stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want them to be better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they're still clearly enough flashers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know some people are, you know, doom and gloom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, okay, I'm not the guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that yes, you clearly still has a lot more work to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, is see the best quarterback in his draft class as things stand right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, definitely not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Drake may is playing much better football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I think you're of the, you're of the opinion where if the bears are winning games and Caleb Williams is improving year after year, then I don't really care what's going on around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't control how Drake may does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't control how Jane Daniels does, which by the way, he hasn't been very good this
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[SPEAKER_00]: or what panics or botanics or nine has done this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can compare Caleb to, you know, anybody else is all the cows come home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As long as he's progressing and as long as he's solely but surely getting the most out of his tools, I think that's what matters most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, could you argue that maybe he's a little bit behind, where some of us that expected, especially the people who are touting him, is always a generational prospect,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought he was, but it's still like one of the better quarterback prospects to come out of the draft in the last 10, 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He still has a long way to go and I think the most encouraging thing is the fact that the bears are winning as many games as they are with Caleb not his full potential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that has me encouraged and it has me thinking like, okay,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This could be something like give this, you know, this year, if you make the playoffs, which it's no guarantee now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, realistically, the bears fell to the seventh seed today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were the number one seed going into this weekend and then now they're the number seven seed and the lions are right on their tail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but the lions have a tough schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The packers have a tough schedule as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be a sure thing and the 49ers have a couple of difficult opponents coming up too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I am going to transition into the closing segment here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob and Fonte is happy ending.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, stroke in the ego because I'm sad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, post game opinions, this is the place to be and I truly believe that and a lot of that comes down to you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you showing sharing your opinions?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just happen to have a platform and I like to hear what you guys have to say going into each and every one of these weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have another question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whitney says, which Chicago sportscaster influencer would you want to do a live with?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to think about that, there may or may not be one person who I've interacted with a lot here that I've floated that idea by there's nothing there's no schedule, but if you've seen my desperate replies, you might on Twitter, you might have an idea for what I'm talking about, but she knows who she is, so let's get it going, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I fucking, I don't know dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's time for the happy ending, so close your eyes, open your mouth and just pray until it's over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The tough loss, it's the tough loss, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that the bears lost this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The five game winning streak is over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're now one and three within the NFC North.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have two more games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have one more against the Packers, one more against the line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty tough schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All things considered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I think the big thing here for the long term to be optimistic about is how the bears adjusted in the second half and how they look better, how the offense improve the past protection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They picked up Blitz's better, but also how the receivers managed to get open and how they managed to exploit the blitz heavy approach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And naturally, I feel like if a defense goes with a
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, they don't trust their defensive line to get home with four guys, which obviously the packers should, because they have, you know, Micah Parsons and, you know, a really talented defense, you know, you have Rashon Gary out there as well off the edge, Kingsley and Ikbara has shown some encouraging flashes this year and their linebackers can blitz, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: It usually shows that one, you don't trust your defensive line to get home with a foreman rush or two, you don't respect the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like to think that this was more the latter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the packers were like, all right, let's just overwhelm the hell out of Caleb so that he can't make, you know, he can't make accurate throws.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It worked a little bit early, but down the stretch, I mean, Caleb Williams is one of the best in the NFL at avoiding sacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one thing that you can point to where it's like, all right, he's a lead at that with his agility, his escape ability and the contact balance to work through contact, you know, to work through attempted
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the back seven or the back six or the back five or however many it is that you have dropping back in coverage at a given time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the offense to a lot better job of that simultaneously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the defense showed some flashes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't nearly as consistent as it needed to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they got better as the game progressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The second quarter was particularly bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The coverage on the deep all was particularly bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the run game got a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the underneath coverage was better as the game progressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you if you can go forward and figure out exactly how to get these safety's on tracks specifically brisker if you can be able to make sure that he knows what his assignments are and he's able to act on those properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that could go a long way because this bears team they they blitz the pastor at a heavy pretty heavy rate compared to most other teams in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's going to change in the next coming weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what you need to do then is make sure that your defensive backs are executing on their assignments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that you're going to face as for the most part, I mean, the Browns don't have a very good group of receivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 49ers, I mean, their group of receivers are okay, but I mean, it's not a
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an amazing, uh, down the field with your wide receiver sort of receiving aim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's rely on George Kittle and Christian McAfrey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, that's going to be another one where it's underneath, uh, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the lines of good receivers, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the pack and the packers have a pretty good group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 49ers and Browns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you can get away with a little bit more of the blitz down the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, rely on maybe not loading the box, but also disguising some of those plays and having, you know, Kyler Gordon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's, if slash Wendy's healthy, having brisker, having CJ Gardner, Johnson come down field and, you know, rush the passer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I think that you're not gonna, you know, you're not gonna be as pressed for giving up big plays down the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think the packers, as fun as it is to say, oh, they don't have a wider receiver one,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They jaden read is pretty damn good and that all fences a lot better than not now that he's back and Christian Watson's finding is footing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can find a way to, you know, keep them to limit the past the the deep passes down the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel decent about their abilities against the Browns and the 49ers now the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Packers and lions will see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but there's still a lot to be optimistic about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously it sucks when the bears lose to the Packers, but I think this answer to a lot of questions about is this a good team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the answer is yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a good bears team is it a great team maybe not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the, oh, the best team of the NFC like their number one seed showed at the time, maybe not, but it's still a talented squad that's pretty well coached and doesn't give up in the face of adversity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to help them out really really well in the long run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's about going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate all of you guys for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're about a little bit at an hour here for the show over 5K of you listening live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on those said channels or wherever else you get your podcast, much appreciated, bears unfortunately, the five game winning streak comes to an end, 28, 21 against the Green Bay Packers, but we're on to Cleveland and the bears of an opportunity to get
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[SPEAKER_00]: Double-digit wins for the first time since 2018.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if they can get the job done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're hosting Cleveland, they're hosting Green Bay, and they host the Lions in week 18.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three either final four games this season or at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what they can do with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's worth noting, too, that if I can pull this up, they're one and one, two, three, four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're four and one at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the bears are four and one at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to count it out loud again because I'm a child, but they're four and one at home and the remaining three games are all at home, including the one against the Browns next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we go, a quick breakdown of what the playoff race is going to look like the bears are now the seventh seed in the NFC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 49ers are on by this week, but going into next week, the games you want to watch are the, if it'll show up, Packers versus Broncos, they're going to Denver a win for the Bears against the Browns and a loss for the Packers against the Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mean the Bears are back in first place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Lions who are currently right on the Bears tail on the outside looking in on the playoff race, they go to Los Angeles and they play the Rams next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the bears have the potential to get back into the number one, at least the top spot in the NFC North and the 49ers play the Titans, which is again, that they'll probably win, but I don't know, stranger things have happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So quick little breakdown on the playoff race, but again, appreciate every single one of you friendly reminder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've sucks the bears lost, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always next week.
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