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Episode 153: Reviewing "Tales of the Empire" (SPOILERS) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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It's Most Things Kenobi, an elegant podcast for a more
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civilized fandom. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and
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all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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And I'm your host, Leanne. And this week we are talking
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about Tales of the Empire. Yes.
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Which I thought was really good. It was good.
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I I actually liked it better than Tales of the Jedi.
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I did too, and then it was better storytelling.
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Yeah, it was. I will say as soon as the
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episode started though, I felt like for Klimt because it was
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clone Wars animation. It was.
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It was. So fucking good, Oh my.
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God, there were a lot of moments where I was blown away thinking
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like this is animation, like it's just come so far.
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It's crazy, especially if you compare it to season one of
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Clone Wars. Well, you, you can't.
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No, you can't. It's not fair.
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That was a long time ago in an in a technological Galaxy very
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far away. Yes, yeah, things have changed
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for the better for all of us. I actually thought there were
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going to be more episodes. So when the the second set of
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episodes, you know, the second tale was over, I expected like
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three more episodes of somebody else and it was just done.
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I was like, wait, what more? No more.
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I had the same exact experience. I was like, who was the the last
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three going to be about? And then I went, oh, and then I
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went and looked at Tales of the Jedi.
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And that is also only six episodes, but they kind of
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interchanged them. They didn't do all of Ahsoka's
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together and all the Dooku's together.
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So yeah, that I think I liked the format of this group of
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episodes better. Like it.
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It allowed for more development within the story.
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I agree, and it was more cohesive where I I bet it was
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more intentional. I feel like Tales of the Jedi
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was kind of, and Filoni said this, that there were little
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vignettes he made-up on an airplane when he was flying back
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and forth between San Francisco and LA for Mandalorian.
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But Tales of the Empire seems more deliberate, like they
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picked stories they wanted to tell, and they that's why I feel
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like the Ark was more concise and more developed than in Tales
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of the Jedi. I totally agree.
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Yeah, it felt kind of like they were grasping in Tales of the
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Jedi and in Tales of the Empire. It just felt like they knew what
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story they wanted to tell. Yeah, and I really enjoyed the
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stories. I was pleasantly surprised by my
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interest level in the barest set of episodes because I can't
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stand her. I still don't like her, but I
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understand her a little better. I was.
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I was just surprised. I did not think that it would
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end. It ended up the way it ended.
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I was not expecting her character to progress that way.
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Spoiler, spoiler alert, we are going to talk about talk about
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it. So like, if you haven't watched
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it yet, come back, but yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to be general
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in this beginning part in case you have not seen it, but
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proceed it at at your own comfort.
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Level, if you will. I also was surprised.
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I was actually almost disappointed.
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Like, not in a bad way, but I was kind of saddened that it
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that it ended that way for bears 'cause I was like, that's kinda,
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well, first of all, OK, so she's aged right?
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Like but by the end of her story, why didn't the other
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Inquisitor age? I literally had to look that up.
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I googled it. I googled it because I was
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confused. I, I don't know if it's because
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I, I don't know. It could be the species.
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I, I was confused because I, I was only familiar with that
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character from the Kenobi series and I tried to Google if there
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was some interaction with this character in the Clone Wars and
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there there wasn't. So they're implying.
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That she's like an ex ex Jedi, right?
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That's kind of what they're implying about her.
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I I guess I don't like those worm things on her head.
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I didn't like them in the Kenobi show and I was even more like
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turned off by them in this in the in the animated version of
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her character. It's very strange.
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I don't know a lot about her species, so perhaps I should do
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more, I don't know, research to see if she has an aging problem
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or maybe not a problem, I don't know.
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Not an aging problem, it's a. Problem.
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Not a problem you have. I don't know.
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Do you want to talk about Barris's story first?
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Do you want to talk about magistrates?
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Ellsbeth. Elsbeth because I I was.
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I loved both. Either like honestly 'cause I I
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feel the same. I enjoyed both equally.
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OK, well let's go in order. Let's talk about how she became,
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what she became, and I How many times have the Night Sisters
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been attacked at this point? Have they been wiped out?
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Several times. I think that was supposed to be
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the time from. Cloned the time, yeah.
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That that's I kept. I really kept expecting Mother
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Chausen to appear somewhere and she.
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Did me too and she didn't, you know, it's it's always great to
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see Grievous always loved seeing him, loved being like hey bro,
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still the same. It was good.
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I wish he had more lines. I know, but it's he's just, he's
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just a figure, you know, he's. And they weren't anticipating
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the mother of Elle's Morgan. I'll say Morgan, the mother of
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Morgan, was not anticipating that other lightsaber, but I
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was. Yeah, I know.
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I It made me wonder like the did the Night Sisters not know
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Grievous or what he was capable of?
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I don't know but I loved her Half Moon Staffs.
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That was cool as fuck. Oh my God, Chris the Sickle.
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This, yeah. Yeah.
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And I noticed with them that she, like, imbued it, you know,
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with magic. And then as first of all,
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whatever she did made it impossible for the lightsaber to
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cut through those weapons. Which I saw very cool.
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Very cool, but then as they got more and more damaged you could
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see the spell like reducing all the way down to just like above
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the handles. Yeah, which was really nice.
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That was a nice touch. It was smart.
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I didn't even notice that until I kind of watched the second
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time around and then I saw how like deliberate that was, that
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it was like decaying around until she only had a little bit
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of protection left. That was cool, but very sad.
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Poor boy. Yeah, I But you know, what's
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funny about all of this is I have said since day one that
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Star Wars is about choices and she made a very deliberate
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choice. Clarence agrees.
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Don't know if you heard that. Yeah, she made a very deliberate
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choice. And and it goes back to the
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title of the episodes. It was like hate anger, like
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the, you know, which is the Yoda quote that I love that he says
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to to Anakin. And so you can choose revenge.
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You can choose a life of hate and anger, or you can choose to
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carry on in a peaceful manner and not seek revenge.
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I mean, it's, it's kind of like Luke.
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Luke made a much better choice. He lost his family and
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everything he'd ever known and had other atrocities happen in
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his lifetime beyond that point. And it's like he never made the
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choice to turn into what Morgan did, you know?
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What the thing that really struck me by the end of actually
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both of these arcs because of the the other Sister Inquisitor,
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not Barris's. Choices but.
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They're so miserable and totally none of their revenge or their
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anger satisfies the emptiness inside them and they still just
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progress through their whole lives angry and like they never
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achieve the real, I don't know, satisfaction or full circle that
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they're seeking. So it's.
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It's never enough. It's never enough.
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Yeah. And it just leaves you feeling
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empty. And they can't.
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As smart as they are, they never connect those dots, you know?
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Well, it's their identity. At this point, what happened to
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them becomes their identity and they can't separate from it
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because they don't know who they be without this terrible thing
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that happened to them that defines who they become down the
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road. Like they attach to that and
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they never let go. It's just like Vader, Vader
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attached to this hate to Obi Wan and never let it go.
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Never. And it's you see that in real
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life. Oh yeah, it's just.
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Astonishing. And all it does is eat you up.
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That's it. And make you really unpleasant
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to be around. I really, really, really loved
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that we got to see that village that Morgan goes to that
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obviously Mando and Ahsoka come to.
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Oh, you see the staff, how she got that best guard staff that
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ends up with Mando. We got to see those villagers
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again. How terrible.
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I mean, like that's the, that is a population of humanity
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speaking on behalf of humanity of like you told us this would
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get better. You told us if we did the thing
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you told us to do, we would get compensation.
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And it never comes. It's just lie after lie after
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lie. And, and then we get then we get
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younger Thrawn, but like older Thrawn, but not as old Thrawn.
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I was like, there he is. I was very thrilled.
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It was and he wasn't. He was he just Admiral 'cause he
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wasn't in his full uniform. Yet no.
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He. Yeah.
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And he was Clone Wars style throne, which we've never seen.
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We've only ever seen Rebels. And his like the guy who came to
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Elspeth, who of course I cannot remember his name now, his
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assistant or whatever. He's from the Legends books.
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I don't know if he's in the the new books as well, but he was
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originally in the Legends book. And the, I don't know, Rook, I
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think it's Rook is the name the assassin that he sends to, Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I recognized him.
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Yes, I was like, he's from the original Throne trilogy.
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I, I, I definitely recognized him.
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I said, I said, I know this guy and I was trying to search in my
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brain and that and, and it came to me, you know, eventually when
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Throne came, I was like, I get it.
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It all makes sense. I now see I haven't read the new
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books you have right. Yes, yes.
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So I don't know if that character is in the new books,
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but. Well, it's at this point Thrawn
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is aware of who Vader is and the whole thing, which we'll get to
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when we get to Barris's story. I just really love these Easter
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eggs that they throw at us for the people who know.
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It doesn't take away from the story for the people who don't
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know. But it's so gratifying to see
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and understand and know. Like, hey, this is from this
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book, and that's from this comic, and that's from this part
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of the show. And it's fun.
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It was really fun. I really liked.
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It yeah, I enjoyed that a lot yeah.
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I I have forgotten about in that village where Morgan is out in
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front of the magistrates gates there's like the like the
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stockades that they keep people in.
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I had. Totally.
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Forgotten about that and it's so medieval and horrific.
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It's really really they're like on display for like a warning.
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I I can't. But let's talk about the New
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Republic Senate Representative Senator.
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Was she a senator? I don't know but something.
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OK, I felt so bad for that individual, but her species I've
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never seen before and I thought it was so interesting.
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Like her fingers, her amphibious.
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She looked amphibious, but obviously she's above water like
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a like, what's what's our friends?
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The mother of their names. Yes, thank you.
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So, like, I don't know if she is, but I need to look that up.
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And I forgot all about looking that up, but I really thought
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she was beautiful. I thought she was A and she was
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so naive though, you could tell like, Oh my God.
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I know, I know. Just from the minute she walks
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out, you're like, well, she's gonna die.
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Yeah. Not gonna be good.
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She's far too sweet to survive. Yeah, it's really sad because I
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think evil individuals really take advantage of good
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individuals because their kindness and their goodness can
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make them naive or put them in a position where they're on the
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weaker end of things because they want to believe there's
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good in everyone and there just isn't sometimes.
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Yeah. And it's a hard lesson to learn.
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So, so the, the, the beeper, the speaker, the little voice thing
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that she was going to give, who did that contact?
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Ahsoka. That's what I thought, was it
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Ahsoka's voice. I think it was Rosario Dawson's
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voice. OK, 'cause I listened to it two
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or three times and I I thought so, but I wasn't quite sure.
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So that was very cool that that was the tie in.
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I assumed it was 'cause it sounded enough like her.
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I mean I suppose they could add someone else voice it, but I I'm
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assuming that's why Ahsoka goes there in Mandalora.
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Yes, 'cause she received. A distress signal.
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And they torched that whole, which was like.
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Hard to watch. Yeah, I really can't with people
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who destroy nature, OK, But when Ahsoka and Mando both get there,
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it's like freshly soot. It's like freshly charred.
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I guess. Lack of a better term, but I was
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like trying to put the timeline together.
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It's just very sad. It's very sad.
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Yeah, but it was really good. I thought it was a really a
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smart way of tying in. The only part of Mando I
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enjoyed. I mean it's.
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It's what you said though. They're so miserable.
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Yeah. And they never ever quite
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they're looking for some sort of validation.
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If you ever notice, all of these individuals are seeking approval
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or acceptance and they'll take it wherever they can, even if it
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means stooping to the lowest level.
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Yeah. I didn't realize that Morgan
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Elsbeth came up with the design of that specific fighter with
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the pointed. They, they just left out some
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major educational years of her life where she'd be an engineer,
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I guess. I don't know.
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I was like. Shit, I, I think that's great.
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We love women in in STEM, including engineers.
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But maybe not, maybe not for the the Empire.
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Well it does explain though why she's so loyal to Thrawn in the
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Ahsoka series. Because he took her seriously.
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He had no intention of double crossing her.
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He seemed to respect her like all the way up through the end
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of her storyline in Ahsoka. Which, looking now at her arc as
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much as we've got, what a wasted life she had.
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I was totally thinking the same thing.
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Her end does not is. It's not.
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It's just not good enough. Yes, yes.
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The character I feel like had so much potential and not just like
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as a character to develop, but as a person.
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Like if that was your life, it's so unsatisfied.
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You know? I feel like she she kept
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striving to help Thron do whatever Thron does and for her
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own satisfaction and never really got there, even though I
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think she felt honored to have the blade that she fought Ahsoka
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with. But like, to what end?
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To die quickly. That end.
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And like I said in in that fight with Ahsoka, I enjoyed watching
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her more 'cause she's actually like a martial arts expert.
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So. Totally agree.
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Hands down fantastic get. She deserves all the kudos.
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It was really, yeah, I really enjoy her.
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She's great. Isn't Bruce Lee her uncle or
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godfather or something? She's like somehow related to
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Bruce Lee. Which is just, it's a quick
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question I don't know the answer to that is amazing, actually.
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Shit, she's a badass everywhere. I I don't know, she just seems
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so genuinely excited to be in the show when we saw her in in
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celebration in London. And I love anyone who's excited
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to be on a show or as a character or anyone who's just
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like completely thrilled to a child.
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Like Joy and I, I got that vibe from her, which I appreciate so
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very much. I also got that vibe from Diego
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Luna at Celebration. Yeah, it was Anaheim, and he was
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holding up the poster from the show.
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And he's like, yeah, everybody just like, frame this and put it
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up in your living rooms. Like, look at me, I'm on a show.
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I did a thing. I.
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Did a Star Wars. It was really.
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Cool though, it was adorable. Well, that that brings us to Old
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Barris's storyline. Yeah, she still looks like she
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was having a very miserable life in prison.
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They kept her hands bound in prison.
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Yeah, yeah, I bet you they were force cuffs, that's why.
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Yeah, probably to keep her from doing.
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And of course, her view right out her window was the Jedi
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Temple. Yeah, and she watched it all go
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down and it's kind of fucked up. It's so fucked up because the
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best part of it for me was her, when they brought her in, they
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were testing her, all this stuff with the Inquisitors and making
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her a, a, a sister and whatever. And then like Anakin strolls in
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as Vader. Yeah.
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And like, do you think he knew that would have been real
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fucking awkward? Oh, I'm sure he knew because her
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helmet wasn't on yet. No, so I'm sitting here as a
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viewer thinking how awkward and awful is this twist of the
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fates, right? He was a Jedi when he discovered
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how wrong she was for framing Ahsoka and all this stuff and
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brought justice to Ahsoka. Ahsoka has now left the Order.
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Anakin has now turned from a Jedi to a Sith and now is facing
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the person that he put in jail for doing the same fucking
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thing. Like what a terrible twit.
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Anakin's story is so awful. It's just like how does he sit
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there in the Vader suit and is like seeing all of this and not
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re reliving like how wrong he was to do what he did.
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I actually wonder if he's the one who suggested Barris.
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Probably. 'Cause he knew she was in
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prison, he knew what her her loyalties were not to the Jedi.
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So she would have been one of the more likely people to to
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join the Empire I guess I mean. It that makes sense?
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Because he, he's. I hate that though.
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I I hate all of. This.
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He's so twisted. He really, it's just, it's just
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it really, OK, I got that out. I just needed to get all that
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out. I am not surprised that they
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were pitted against each other and one had to kill the other.
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Yeah. And I was not surprised that
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Barris had no problem doing it. Well she and she almost did it
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in self-defense. She wasn't going to do it until
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that other guy turned against her.
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She she really straddles the line.
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Yeah, a killer be killed, she'll do it.
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But then when the sister slaughters the village, I think
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that was pretty horrifying to Barris.
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Yeah, she used her kindness, I guess, to help the little kid
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give her what she needed without force.
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Very Jedi thing to do. But like, Oh my God, she's like,
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holy shit. I don't know.
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I I don't know. I do love the Jason Isaacs came
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back as the Inquisitor. I just.
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Yes, yes. I love Jason Isaacs and.
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I there's really no other person that can do it, or should do it
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for that matter. I really wish they had him do it
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in live action. I don't know why they didn't,
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because he's an excellent actor. Maybe.
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Maybe he didn't want to wear the things on his ears.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe. I mean, you never know if it's
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the person turning it down, you know?
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Yeah, and not not that. Oh gosh, I can't remember his
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name now. I feel terrible for forgetting
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his name. The guy who played him, the
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Inquisitor in Kenobi. Oh, I don't remember, I.
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He did a fine job, but Jason Isaacs, it's his, he's no one
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does the things with his voice like Jason Isaacs does.
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It's. Very true.
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It's true. Yeah, he's great.
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I love him in Harry Potter, I love him in Peter Pan.
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I just. He's so good at being evil.
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A. 100% I I really enjoyed the back and forth between the
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Inquisitor and Barris. I don't know, I just I would
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really liked that she became a hermit hippie in like Siberia if
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you will and I liked her little clan of creatures that she hung
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out with. What planet was that?
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I don't remember but I did recognize Anna Graves voice in
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there as one of her companions. Oh, I didn't.
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What? Yeah, the tall, the taller.
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What I didn't know. I should.
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It was her. I think it was her.
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I'm not 100% sure. I didn't check.
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Yeah. That's cool.
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I actually wondered if Barris is part of the path.
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Oh. I know that that she is a
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healer, but she told her companions to take that family
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with this force sensitive child and go to another planet and
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there'd be someone waiting for them.
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I didn't think it what I I thought she meant Ahsoka, to be
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honest, she said a friend or a or a an acquaintance.
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Interesting, I wonder if she would they be friends though
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since she framed. No.
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Oh absolutely not. But I don't I don't know what
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other friends she has. Quinlan, Voss.
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Maybe. I mean, Quinlan seems friendly.
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I don't know. I, I, I honestly don't know.
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I don't know. I wonder if they'll expand on
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that ever under any. Well, I mean, how cool would it
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be if, if they ever do season 2 of Tales of the Jedi, they pick
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up that story? And.
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We see what's like how it's tied into the larger picture.
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That would be really cool. But you.
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Know I thought the planet looked like crate with that giant wall
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you think so too yeah it's. Probably not though, because.
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I don't think it is. The timeline doesn't work, I
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don't think. But I mean it looked, I don't
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remember crate being like frigid cold, whipping winds, etcetera.
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No. And it didn't have the red soil,
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but it didn't. It was very.
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Similar like creature, ice creature.
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Like it gave me the exact same vibes.
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Yeah, exactly. I I do, I do like the the
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representation of getting lost in a cave with mirrors.
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You don't know where you're at. That's claustrophobia 101 and I
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was feeling it. Yeah.
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I would freak the fuck out and I liked the lesson that was
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attached to it. I did too.
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I thought it was really well executed.
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I think the title of the episode was like the Way out or
25:05
something. 'Cause she, yeah, she said.
25:09
You know the way out. Yeah, and, and but she
25:12
questioned the, the, the sister, she questioned, there's no way
25:17
out, is there? But she was talking about out
25:19
getting out of this level of misery and this, this dedication
25:24
to the Sith and the Empire and the, not the Sith, the Empire
25:28
and like Palpatine and the sisters and all this stuff.
25:30
It was so metaphorical and literal.
25:34
It's just, and, and she was like swinging that lightsaber at the
25:37
rocks. I was like, I feel that.
25:38
I fucking feel this. Where you're so frustrated and
25:42
you don't know what to do, so you just lash out.
25:44
I get. It yeah.
25:46
And she was, she is like the Morgan character, right?
25:49
Like, she spends her whole life with this anger and murdering
25:54
villagers and, and having like, giving no quarter to anybody,
25:58
you know, And she is miserable. And she's spent this time
26:02
tracking bears down and it's still just full of rage.
26:06
And that I think that's what Barris means.
26:08
The way out is like you just have to let it go.
26:13
Yeah, 'cause Barris let go of her, her wrongdoings, she let go
26:17
of her attachment to the fact that she did this thing, it cost
26:20
her, and then she made a completely different decision
26:22
and moved on and was more in tune with herself and more at
26:28
peace. Yeah.
26:30
With herself, which is great. Wouldn't have expected it
26:33
though. I thought for sure she'd be an
26:35
evil little bitch the rest of her life, but I guess not
26:38
everyone has the ability to change everyone.
26:41
You had said fairly recently that she was a healer, and I had
26:45
never, yes, known that. And so now we get to see that
26:49
she left the Jedi, left the Empire, and ended up using her
26:54
power to help other people and heal people.
26:57
I think that is actually the best redemption.
27:01
Oh 100% how do you make up for something killing innocent
27:04
people? Heal, heal, heal yourself, heal
27:07
others. And I pretty sure that Jedi that
27:10
What is the damn character's name with the worms on her head.
27:12
What? I don't know, I think she's like
27:14
the second sister or something like that, but.
27:16
OK, well I'll just refer to her as Sister Kept.
27:19
Calling her something like. And she's like, that's not my
27:22
name anymore. Yeah, like Lena.
27:24
Lena. I can't remember.
27:25
But yeah, it was very Anakin slash Vader When when he's like,
27:28
I'm no longer that person, that's not my name anymore,
27:30
don't call me that, etcetera. Exactly.
27:33
She she like, attempted to kill that Jedi on the top of that
27:36
rock on the the hillside and Barris said he's not dead yet.
27:42
And she then went on to like, I believe healed him.
27:45
And that's what like I guess was the catalyst to her thinking
27:49
like I should do this from now on and try and help and heal and
27:52
stuff. So maybe he's her friend that
27:54
she sends. Oh, maybe.
27:56
I'm sorry, they the the character was pronouns.
27:59
Were they? Did you notice that?
28:02
I did not, but that's good to know.
28:03
I I. I thought that was interesting.
28:05
Like what an interesting choice to to choose that and just like.
28:09
Not that's great they. Didn't like call attention to
28:11
it, they just did it. And I thought that's why I
28:13
didn't notice it, yeah. That was very interesting.
28:16
That's the way it should be, but maybe that is the friend.
28:20
I didn't think of that. Yeah.
28:22
I did not think of that. Good, good catch.
28:24
I don't know. A lot was left to open to
28:25
interpretation. I don't know that Barris was
28:27
dead at the end. Right.
28:29
They didn't show her die. She just said I won't let you
28:31
die in here. So that doesn't mean that she
28:33
didn't die altogether. Yeah, she could have put her in
28:37
her Hut and set the Hut on fire. That would have been like a
28:40
proper that's. The way I wanted.
28:42
To send off. Yeah.
28:44
Yeah. Well, you in a boat?
28:45
Yes. The Viking boat on fire.
28:49
Yes. I want to be flung up to the
28:53
ceiling and cut in half by Vader's lightsaber.
28:57
That's not weird at all. What a way to go.
29:01
Yay. And then Barris can heal me.
29:06
She can put me back together. I don't know, I I enjoyed both
29:12
sets of stories. I really thought they were well
29:14
done. It really really, really,
29:16
really, really really makes me want a three episode arc of
29:21
motherfucking Qui Gon Jinn Young Obi Wan Kenobi and Satine Crees
29:27
on their goddamn dream. Give us the three.
29:30
You don't have to expose everything, but wouldn't it be a
29:33
great three episode arc? Would it not?
29:35
People would die. They should really consider it
29:39
after Tales of the Empire and what they did.
29:40
They really could. They could cover Qui Gon's
29:43
depth, they could cover Satine's depth and Obi Wan who could
29:46
always, always use more background on him.
29:50
Oh yeah, I'm never satisfied. There's never enough.
29:54
I just don't know how it would hurt those 3 characters to give
29:57
them a little bit more. It would be awesome I'm I'm all
30:02
for a whole miniseries on it. Give me 12 Well.
30:05
Yeah, but I mean, I'm just asking for three episodes here.
30:07
Disney. Hello.
30:08
Like, I'm not asking for it either.
30:11
I'm not the only one. Everyone who's listening and
30:13
James Arnold Taylor. Yeah.
30:14
Yeah. So, I mean, it's not like the
30:17
voice actor is opposed to come and battle about Liam Neeson,
30:20
but come on. We gotta get him while he's
30:23
still here. He's like, I'm million years
30:25
old, so. Hello.
30:28
Put him to use. He's amazing, we say.
30:32
This like every episode with a host of different actors and
30:35
actresses. I know again, the other day I
30:39
saw Sam Witt were talking about how he got the job as Starkiller
30:42
and I was like could. Like we need this, Why this been
30:46
made live? Action, yet my head can't take
30:49
it. I'm here for it.
30:52
I'm here for all of it. I really like Tales of the
30:55
Empire, so I'm pushing for more. How about you?
30:57
Oh yeah, I, I think I liked it better because it was allowed to
31:03
be darker. I think Tales of the Emperor or
31:05
Tales of the Jedi was dark. It dealt with dark subject
31:09
matter for sure, but I felt like they were trying to address much
31:13
larger issues in Tales of the Jedi and it just was too big.
31:19
You couldn't bite off a chunk that big and like, address it in
31:24
15 minutes. That's true, yeah, Yeah.
31:28
Like the whole idea of how Dooku lost faith in the Jedi, there
31:32
was some random backwater. Yeah, I was planning the exact
31:37
same. Yeah, that we're all supposed to
31:38
care about. Whereas what they did here was
31:41
take characters and tie them into existing stuff.
31:45
Both Elsbeth. Elsbeth was part of the Night
31:49
Sisters Falling which is crazy that she was there that day and
31:53
then she tied into Mando. And then of course Barris ties
31:56
into Clone Wars. We already are invested and the
32:02
stuff with Dooku was very obtuse, I think it was.
32:07
I agree. Hard to care because we don't
32:11
see Dooku as a Jedi. We've seen Dooku as a bad guy.
32:15
Yeah, I don't know. That's just kind of my take on
32:19
it, but I'm interested in more for both.
32:21
Like I'm open to seeing more. I love the animation, it's so
32:25
beautiful. I know it's it is really, really
32:28
at its top right now. I mean the shadowing, the little
32:31
effects, the like you mentioned with the the two, what do they
32:35
call what I want to say size, but that's not sickle.
32:38
Thank you. Size is the big one is the big
32:42
one. No, the Grim Reaper has a
32:44
scythe. Yes, that's what I was thinking.
32:47
Wouldn't it be cool if Vader came strolling by with a scythe
32:49
like Oh my God. Hey guys I traded in my my
32:52
Jeddah, not my Jeddah my lightsaber for this and it would
32:56
glow red. That would be fucking.
32:57
Oh my God, that'd be so terrifying.
33:00
Some artist needs to draw for me, please.
33:02
Anyway, that would be absolutely terrifying.
33:04
But yeah, I want more tales of the Empire.
33:06
Yeah, I'm interested. There's so much they could do.
33:09
They could tie into Andor really easily as well.
33:12
Oh, they could. Let's do it.
33:16
We need. What's her name?
33:18
Oh yeah, What is her name? Oh God, it's so deidre, Deidre.
33:23
Thank you. We could get her story.
33:25
Oh my God, we're praying and hoping, hoping and praying here.
33:31
I suspect it'll be dark and very depressing, but awesome.
33:35
Or we could get the back story to the mother of, what's his
33:37
name? Cyril.
33:39
Yeah, Cyril's mother. Let's get that story.
33:43
Tales of Andor, Cyril's mother. Oh my God please I would.
33:49
I would never lose interest. She's one of my favorite.
33:53
I know she's so ridiculous. All right, let's just let's just
33:57
stick to what we know and go from there.
34:08
OK. Our question for you, who do you
34:11
think Barris sent that force sensitive child to?
34:14
Do you? Do you have a theory?
34:16
We've thrown a few around, but we're curious to know what you
34:20
guys think, so let us know. Next week's episode we are going
34:26
to cover the first three episodes of The Acolyte.
34:31
We are interested. We're I was unsure at first and
34:39
then I was turned over into the category of I like this after
34:44
the second episode. Yeah, we are going to discuss
34:47
our thoughts, feelings, theories and all other all other things
34:51
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34:54
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