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Willows Weep: The Cursed House That Wouldn’t Die Featuring Weekly Bizarre. · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings are going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the occult Rejects. Today, I'm joined by
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  Speaker 1: Montana and Jessica, the hosts of Weekly Bizarre, a podcast
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  Speaker 1: where paranormal encounters, dark folklore, cursed objects, strange crimes, and
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  Speaker 1: unexplained stories are approached with curiosity, humor, and just the
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  Speaker 1: right amount of skepticism. Today, we're digging into Willow's Weep,
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  Speaker 1: the old Indiana farmhouse that became known throughout paranormal media
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  Speaker 1: as one of the most disturbing and supposedly most evil
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  Speaker 1: houses in America. The property became associated with reports of
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  Speaker 1: whispering voices, shadow figures, violent encounters, unexplained deaths, and an
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  Speaker 1: architectural layout that some claim resembled an inverted cross. Montana
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  Speaker 1: and Jessica recently explored those stories in their own episode,
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  Speaker 1: The Cursed House of Willow's Weep. But this is more
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  Speaker 1: than a haunted house story. It is also a story
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  Speaker 1: about how legends are created, repeated, commercialized, and sometimes challenged.
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  Speaker 1: Former owners disputed the haunting narrative and argued that real
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  Speaker 1: family tragedies had been distorted for paranormal entertainment. The house
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  Speaker 1: was ultimately demolished in May twenty twenty four, but destroying
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  Speaker 1: the building did not destroy the legend. So today we're
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  Speaker 1: going to separate documented history from paranormal folklore, examine the
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  Speaker 1: activity surrounding Willow's Weep, and ask a much stranger question.
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  Speaker 1: When a haunted house is torn down, does the haunting
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  Speaker 1: end or does it simply lose its address? And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's enough out of me, and let me introduce the Loon.
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  Speaker 1: I got the loon joining us today or joining me?
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  Speaker 1: And now Montana Jessco, what is going on, Judith? How
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  Speaker 3: and lightning experience. So I look forward to this one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's always great having them on, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. You just always look forward
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  Speaker 1: to you jumping on with me, and Montana will go
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  Speaker 1: with you first. What is going on? Montana?
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  Speaker 3: The hell?
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  Speaker 1: Agrees, Oh nice, nice, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like we got to make you guys go viral, right,
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  Speaker 3: tell you you.
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  Speaker 6: Got to get all dressed up in fancy to go
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  Speaker 1: Tell you, well, thank you very much for making the
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  Speaker 1: Montana and jes of course, of course, and jess what
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  Speaker 1: is going on? Please let everybody know what's up with
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  Speaker 6: First of all, thanks so much for letting us come
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  Speaker 6: back on the show. I always have such a good time,
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  Speaker 6: and I was so happy to see that Judith was
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  Speaker 6: going to be here. Love having her around. She's so
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  Speaker 6: awesome too, So Hi Judah. But yes, I mean, you
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  Speaker 6: guys have done a pretty good job at covering everything
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  Speaker 6: everywhere Weekly Bizarre Podcast. If you guys want to contact us,
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  Speaker 6: you can email us at Weekly Bizar Podcast at gmail
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  Speaker 6: if you have topics you'd like us to cover, We're
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  Speaker 6: always open to that. So yeah, that's about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were just recently on Bennett's broadcasting Seeds
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  Speaker 1: too correct for people who listen or know who he
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  Speaker 1: is or want to like like their work, go check
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  Speaker 1: out that episode because I think you could. You talked
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  Speaker 1: about a bunch of different things on that correct. I
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  Speaker 1: could be wrong about that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he just kind of wanted to get to know
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  Speaker 6: us a little bit, I think. So it's just a
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  Speaker 6: little bit of our backstory, some of the paranormal activity
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  Speaker 6: we've experienced, UFO stuff a little all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Nice, it was fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so go check that out. I definitely suggested no
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  Speaker 1: with this, uh, with this topic, How did you how
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  Speaker 1: did you come across this. Was it like kind of
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  Speaker 1: like going down a rabbit hole on finding this one?
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  Speaker 1: Or did you come across somebody else covering it and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, wow, this sounds pretty sick. How did you?
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  Speaker 6: I came up with it a long time, Like, I
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  Speaker 6: came across it a long time ago, and it took
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  Speaker 6: me a while to actually do the episode, so I
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  Speaker 6: can't really remember, to be honest, I think it was
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  Speaker 6: the documentary that I saw on YouTube and I had
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  Speaker 6: never heard about it before, so that's where I got
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  Speaker 6: a lot of this information. And yeah, it's been a
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  Speaker 6: long time ago and I finally got around to doing
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  Speaker 6: it again.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, even when you guys I think originally did
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  Speaker 1: it when I asked you to come on, that's even
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  Speaker 1: been like a month probably since then too, So.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I dusted off my notes for this, so
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  Speaker 6: I might be a little rusty.
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  Speaker 1: But but so what was it I guess about this
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  Speaker 1: one that got you? It made you think you want
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  Speaker 1: to cover this one?
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  Speaker 6: Well, partly because we'd never really done anything like this
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  Speaker 6: before on our podcast and so that was intriguing for me.
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  Speaker 6: And also just the fact that it's considered or was
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  Speaker 6: considered to allegedly be one of the most haunted places,
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  Speaker 6: and I really wanted to see if that was true
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  Speaker 6: or not, which I don't know. There's always the skeptics,
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  Speaker 6: you know, people that think yeah it was, and then
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  Speaker 6: there are others that think it was just a complete hoax.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, you can decide for yourselves what you think.
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  Speaker 6: But I definitely think that there's more to it than
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  Speaker 6: the house itself, which will definitely get into because I've
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  Speaker 6: got a lot of side quests for this, a lot
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  Speaker 6: of just a lot of things that seem to coincide
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  Speaker 6: with the things happening here that I just had to
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  Speaker 6: look further into, which is where you guys will come
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  Speaker 6: in with maybe your opinions and your knowledge on this
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  Speaker 6: kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So sounds good. So yeah, I guess where do you
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  Speaker 1: want to begin with this?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I guess I'll just begin at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, to know if there was a backstory, if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to jump into the first murder, you know who knows?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I will. I'm always pretty thorough, as you have
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  Speaker 6: probably figured out now, so I love to go into
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  Speaker 6: the backstories.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you're again because you're rather thorough.
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  Speaker 6: Go get your drinks, guys, settle in. It's going to
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  Speaker 6: be a while. No, you did actually a pretty good
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  Speaker 6: job with your intro. You covered pretty much everything I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Going to talk about, so oh good. Cool.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So, as you had said, this house is it
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  Speaker 6: was considered one of the most haunted in America, one
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  Speaker 6: of the most evil places in North America, and it's
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  Speaker 6: even been considered considered a portal to hell by some
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  Speaker 6: paranormal investigators. And you'll see why as we go along,
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  Speaker 6: and it makes a lot of sense. We actually both
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  Speaker 6: think that that's a possibility if this is not just
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  Speaker 6: a big hoax, of course, and this house has a
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  Speaker 6: pretty dark history. It's it's seen seven deaths, including three
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  Speaker 6: suicides SOT yes, trigger warning there. I mean that's a
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  Speaker 6: huge subject here. I mean this, it seems like people
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  Speaker 6: that go to this house are drawn to that kind
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  Speaker 6: of energy and like almost feel like an overwhelm of
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  Speaker 6: control that makes them start feeling like they want to
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  Speaker 6: harm themselves things like that. So it's it's something's going
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  Speaker 6: on here, which is why I'm hoping you guys can
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  Speaker 6: give me your input too, because it's it's pretty dark.
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  Speaker 6: It's pretty dark, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, there was a just a kind of like even
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  Speaker 1: gives me a little bit of vibes with even the
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  Speaker 1: way the town looks at it, and then how other
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  Speaker 1: people will look at it a lot of almost like
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  Speaker 1: the Amityville horror House. How like I knew people my
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  Speaker 1: friend lived right across the street from the house, Like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't friends with them when that happened, obviously, but.
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  Speaker 4: It's still there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and uh, you know he obviously like kind
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  Speaker 1: of is you know, he was into a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of the conspiracy and the whole situation with that house.
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  Speaker 1: But even he said, like people in that area like
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  Speaker 1: they were just like, get the fuck out of here,
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  Speaker 1: don't come by and look at the house. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to, like they didn't think of it as like
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  Speaker 1: how we would that it was just a normal rather
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  Speaker 1: you know, normal tragedy, that there wasn't anything screwed up
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  Speaker 1: or crazy about it. Yeah, it kind of reminds me
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of like how maybe people are looking
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  Speaker 1: at this they're like either it's just you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: just normal life, or you got the paranormal investigators are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: something crazy is with this place.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't imagine, like the people that live because
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  Speaker 6: this is a small little town that this happens in.
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  Speaker 6: This is in western Indiana. It's Cayuga, I guess is
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  Speaker 6: the name of the town that this is in. And
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  Speaker 6: when we were talking on our episode about it finally
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  Speaker 6: being demolished, I was wondering if part of that had
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  Speaker 6: to do with the people that live in that little
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  Speaker 6: village were probably so sick and tired of people coming
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  Speaker 6: to visit the house, like constantly in and out in
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  Speaker 6: their quiet, little sleepy town.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just like a population of a thousand people.
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  Speaker 6: It's a very small little place.
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  Speaker 3: How back does the history goes for that town? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like any like prior to this house, do you know
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  Speaker 3: of any like folk tales about that area?
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  Speaker 6: Kind of some of it sounds like it could be hearsay,
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  Speaker 6: but there was a big Native American presence in the area.
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  Speaker 6: So one of the big theories here is that there
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  Speaker 6: was some type of a massacre that occurred on these grounds,
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  Speaker 6: because they've found a lot of like old pottery things
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  Speaker 6: like that to show that, yes, they had inhabited this area.
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  Speaker 6: And it makes a lot of sense because there, I
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  Speaker 6: guess are two major waterways that run through this little town,
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  Speaker 6: and that was very important for Native Americans to post
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  Speaker 6: up near water. So it's definitely a guarantee that Native
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  Speaker 6: Americans did live in this area. But as far as
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  Speaker 6: the massacre story, I'm not so sure. I couldn't find
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  Speaker 6: anything to verify that that actually happened, but it is
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  Speaker 6: part of the lore, and I guess it was eighteen
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  Speaker 6: twenty seven when this town was actually developed, so that
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  Speaker 6: gives you a little timeline of when they settled in
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  Speaker 6: in this little area, just.
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  Speaker 3: Out of my curiosity. To one more question, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 3: before you get into it, No, are there mounds in
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  Speaker 3: this area, because someone brought that up, and that has
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  Speaker 3: been brought up with other Native American historical sites.
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  Speaker 6: In the research, I'm not exactly sure if there were
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  Speaker 6: actual mounds or not, but as far they did find,
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  Speaker 6: like I said, artifacts and traces of them being there,
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  Speaker 6: so I don't know. I think a lot of that
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  Speaker 6: is largely speculated around the burial sites and things. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not so sure that it's actual fact that there were
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  Speaker 6: burial sites there. So sorry, I'm not sure. Okay, So
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  Speaker 6: I'll talk a little bit about the house itself before
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  Speaker 6: we kind of go into theories and whatnot. So the
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  Speaker 6: house itself was built in eighteen ninety. And I messed
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  Speaker 6: this up when I was talking on our episode, I
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  Speaker 6: said it was on Elm Street.
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  Speaker 1: Oh if it was, I guess it wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: That North Elm Tree Road close. I like Elm Street better.
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  Speaker 6: It's not a very big house. It's just about fourteen
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  Speaker 6: hundreds square feet. It's got three bedrooms and a bathroom.
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  Speaker 6: And like Nick said in the beginning, the floor plan
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  Speaker 6: forms across which looks to be inverted, and that opens
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  Speaker 6: a whole can of worms. And actually, before we go on,
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  Speaker 6: what are you guys' opinions on like the symbol of
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  Speaker 6: an inverted cross, Like what do you think that symbolizes?
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  Speaker 1: I think it'd be used in multiple different ways. I
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  Speaker 1: did notice just from looking into it, like real quick,
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  Speaker 1: just now I was asking chat J'll be honest, I
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  Speaker 1: was asking chut apt to look into the property and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I did mention that the cross is facing east,
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  Speaker 1: believe it or not. To me, there would be more
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  Speaker 1: of a either a ceremonial magic or even a Christian
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  Speaker 1: a Catholic church they build their things towards the east.
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  Speaker 1: So I even wonder if that matches that type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then like if you did have graves or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, orld have to be on a certain side
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  Speaker 1: of the church as well. But yeah, the churches are
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  Speaker 1: normally built facing the east, so the upside on cross,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's upside down, it's facing the east.
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  Speaker 6: Oh that's interesting. What about you, Judith, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: See what the masses? I know they think it's a
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  Speaker 3: satanistic but at the same time, you have to consider
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  Speaker 3: that the upside down cross does represent also the way
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  Speaker 3: Saint Peter died too. And actually when she said that,
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  Speaker 3: that was the first thing I thought about is I
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  Speaker 3: was like Saint Peter. I was like, why why would
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  Speaker 3: they have that? But that's where my mind goes. But
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  Speaker 3: I know where the masses go upside down cross, it's
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  Speaker 3: to the beholder. I don't think much about them. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: I just know when I hear that, I know everybody
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  Speaker 3: around me is thinking this, and I'm like, okay, I'll
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  Speaker 3: keep my mouth shut. But most people forget that peace
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  Speaker 3: was crucified that way exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that up. I forgot I totally
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  Speaker 1: always forget about that. Thank you much.
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  Speaker 6: Well, if you hadn't I was going to so I
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  Speaker 6: don't even need to do that now. I had a
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  Speaker 6: feeling one of you would say something about it, So
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  Speaker 6: that's why I wanted to ask, first.
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  Speaker 1: What do you what's your thoughts on that?
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  Speaker 6: I definitely I don't know. I feel like people that
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  Speaker 6: don't have understandings of like symbols like that can get
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  Speaker 6: ideas that probably aren't accurate because they don't have the knowledge.
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  Speaker 6: Like Judith was saying, it's actually it wasn't really a
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  Speaker 6: bad symbol until it was because people, you know, it
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  Speaker 6: evolved that way. So to me, I mean, it's a stretch.
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  Speaker 6: You could be looking into things because you want to
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  Speaker 6: believe kind of thing, you know, which several things like
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  Speaker 6: that kind of happen in the story. So and that's
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  Speaker 6: just the first. But but yeah, it's like people interpreting
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  Speaker 6: symbols in a way that it has been evolved to
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  Speaker 6: believe that it's actual evil stuff when it really isn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would even say, like you're saying about
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  Speaker 1: people maybe misunderstanding it, I would even say a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people probably more then, don't misuse it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you see it pissed off seventeen year old
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  Speaker 1: kid in school wrote an upside down cross on his
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  Speaker 1: notebook because he's whatever trying to be an edge lord,
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  Speaker 1: you know whatever. You know what I'm saying. All of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, it thinks you know that that's satanic, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, is it really? And maybe was a
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  Speaker 1: kid using it in the wrong way too, Like you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm getting at. It's just the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: gets all fucked up in my opinion.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: At Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, all right, So this is the part that got
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  Speaker 6: you interested, Nick, So we'll get into this a little bit,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm excited to hear what you both have to
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  Speaker 6: say about this too. So the land and this is
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  Speaker 6: where I think stuff is coming from. I think I
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  Speaker 6: don't think it's the house itself. I think it's the land.
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  Speaker 6: I think something is going on here, if there was
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  Speaker 6: a massacre there or some something tragic must have happened
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  Speaker 6: at one time or another for this dark energy to
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  Speaker 6: manifest itself here. And one of the things I stumbled
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  Speaker 6: upon was the line the stone tape theory and the
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  Speaker 6: house itself where it sits, there are large deposits of
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  Speaker 6: clay and limestone in the earth beneath it, and limestone
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  Speaker 6: is notorious for harboring energies like that, so I thought
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  Speaker 6: that was interesting. I'm like, I wonder if that could
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  Speaker 6: have anything to do with this, because really, the overwhelming energy.
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  Speaker 4: Here is.
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  Speaker 6: It's very heavy and very dark, and it's very consuming
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  Speaker 6: to the people that are near it. So it makes
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  Speaker 6: sense that something would be holding this energy here. And
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  Speaker 6: I guess a lot of Indiana sits on these limestone deposits.
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  Speaker 1: Did you happen to know anything about like running water
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  Speaker 1: anywhere nearby or underneath the house or anywhere close to that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, not underneath the house itself, but there were
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  Speaker 6: two major rivers that connect here. I don't know if
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  Speaker 6: that has anything to do with what you're talking about
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  Speaker 6: or what you're asking about, but that's the only running
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  Speaker 6: water I know of, is there were two rivers that
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  Speaker 6: converge somewhere very near the little town.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes they say that that helps with limestone or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Do those rivers cross?
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  Speaker 6: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: And I have one more question, because you were talking
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  Speaker 3: about the limestone and energy of the land, have they
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  Speaker 3: had any legitimate psychics go there and talk about being
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: overwhelmed with energy? And also how is there still a
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Native American presence there? And do they avoid that land
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: like the plague.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: That's actually a really good question. I'm not sure that
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: the latter part. I don't think that there's still a
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Native American presence that still resides there, but that I'm
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: very curious if they are avoiding that, And that actually
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: kind of goes into my own personal theory, which we'll
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: get into later because I'm getting sidetracked. We'll get there
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: in a minute. But I don't think so. What was
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: your first question, though?
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Have they had any legitimate psychics to go there, and
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: if they have, have they ever complained about being overwhelmed
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: with energy?
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: Now that one I'm unsure of too. In the documentary,
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: I don't think so. During the documentary, there were people
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: that were part of paranormal research teams that went in
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: and documented it, and there was one woman in particular,
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: which we'll talk about too, who was very overwhelmed and
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: had to leave and she could not re enter the home.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: And this was due to the fact that she was
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: being overwhelmed by feelings of self harm, so she had
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: to she had to cut ties with She was kind
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: of being the vessel where they had these earphones she
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: had a headset on, and so she couldn't hear what
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: the people with her were asking, and so she was
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: trying to answer through what she was hearing, like them
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: communicating to her, and during that she had to cut
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: it off and leave because it was overwhelming her with
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: the dread. Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: See, sometimes I've even wondered, like you know these you
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: know how like sometimes people like, oh, it might be
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the ground, or might be the property, it's really not
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the house, or it's not the person. And when people
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: like you're just a regular person just shows up and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: gets this feeling, I've wondered like like how we were
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you know, thinking before maybe there's running water on limestone,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: but maybe there's something that's going on in that area
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that creates an energy. But who says it doesn't create
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a frequency that it would just normally make somebody become
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: terrified in their mind and do something weird. Like maybe
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it's something that would just affect people regardless in that sense,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and it's not even a ghost, it's just a type
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of frequency being made from whatever's going on, you know
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Kind of Yeah, absolutely.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: A possibility sometimes with some haunted places. If it is
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: actually more of that instead of.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Like ghosts well, isn't it When we did Bobby Macki's
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Music World that the well that was haunted. The guy
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: wasn't a paranormal investigator, but he went in to prove
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: that that was a type of frequency that gives people
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: those that feeling of they're being haunted or what makes
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: them feel the dread and all that. And the well
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: was made out of limestone, and that also have to
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: correlate with the water, right because it's a well.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: And didn't weren't you talking about the fact that there
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: was some sort of like a vibration that he could
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: feel and near that well, And the same thing happened
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: at this house. As soon as one of the investigators
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: went in, they put their hand to the floor and
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: they're like, I can feel like a vibration. So that
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: really makes sense with what you're saying, Nick, like it
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: could be some sort of energetic frequency being omitted.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: That's like, I mean, I'll be totally honest with you.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I even chalk up to and I don't think a
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: lot of people agree with me, but sometimes I think
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: when people all the demons, demons a demonic possession you're
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: picking up a frequency that just makes you crazy. I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: think stupid shit. Sound like some actual spiritual guy that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like came out of the ground. Obviously not off of
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a cloud because he's a demon, so he's not on clouds.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I guess came out of hell phone uneath the ground
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and possessed you. It's a frequency that just fucking does
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: something crazy to you.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: That's why I'm crazy, because I have an ITAs, so
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: I have a constant oh my head.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: See, I'm gonna start using that too, because I have
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that myself. I didn't know I could use that for
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: being crazy you.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: So, do you guys know anything about the stone tape theory?
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: Had you heard of this before? I haven't, No, I'll shoot.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: I was hoping you had, because I don't really know
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: a whole lot about it, and I was hoping you did.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I've been heard of me hearing it come up, though
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: someone else mentioned stone tape theory to me recently.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Oh really, yeah, I guess. It is a theory that
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: emerged in the seventies, and it suggests that certain materials
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: can record emotional traumatic events. Limestone limestone exactly, and according
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: to the theory, intense emotions, murders, grief, violence, tear, things
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: like that that happen here can be imprinted on the environment.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: So this is where I'm like, could it have been
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: something like really traumatic that happened here?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Which actually, I'm sorry that there was a question I
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: was going to ask you earlier, but now that you
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: mentioned this, I have to ask it. Has anyone gone
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: through and checked the density and the of the limestone
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: in and around that property, even around the town how?
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: I don't think so? Mm hmm, No, I don't think so.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: And there are a lot of things And this is
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: where I get skeptical, because there are a lot of
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: things as we talk about this, and I'm like, why not,
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Like why wouldn't they do something like that? Why aren't
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: they testing this oil? Why aren't they excavating what's going on?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: You also have another issue which actually someone in the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: chat is brought up too. Uh, the vicinity of those
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: rivers does matter too with that, because someone didn't reminded
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: me that in the chat that water holes memory as well.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: So you have the limestone and those two waters, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if they crossed together, which makes
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: a crust room. If that's all in place. It could
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: be off the charts on that land.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, it's like everything's layering up to just create
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: this disaster.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Really uh real quick. I didn't want to mention this
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: because you mentioned that there was a river that was
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: close by right two. Yeah, a million River Eugene. This plot,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the plot that this house is on, is considered section
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: thirty one of Eugene Township the Indiana dn R maps
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: is that familiar river does pass through that actual section
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of land, So I mean it could be Actually, the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: water could be really close to the house actually, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it does have aquifers underneath it, the til Veneer aquifier system.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So that's some interesting stuff as long as as well
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: as the limestone, sandstone shale minor mudstone coal. Yeah, so
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you got some interesting shit just in that one piece
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: of property maybe yeah, oh, you know, the right tools
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to maybe make some weird shit happen or at least
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: conduct some sort of probably static electricity or emf mm hmm.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: So back to the stone tape theory. According to people
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: who believe this, ghosts may not actually be spirits, but
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: instead witnesses may be experiencing a replay of past events
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: embedded within the stone.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So that is interesting. You know, they are coming out
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: with uh uh, they're coming out with a way to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: transferringe for information through static electricity, m just through static
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And if that's possible, who's to say past memories can't
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: start popping up on people with the static electricity around it,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, That totally.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Be a vessel for that. It'd be like experiment on me.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: But but but it brings the question though, why is
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: some people overwhelmed with it, with the feeling of the
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: past events to why some people probably doesn't. I'm sure
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: there's people who've been there be like, eh, I don't
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: feel nothing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I telling you know, maybe.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know. It's a good question. So some other
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: places that are considered some of these like stone tape
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: places are a lot of times in caves, underground rivers,
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: limestone caverns, and some examples are where the Belwich area
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: was in Tennessee. They think that could be one of
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: those types of places. Mammoth Cave in Kentucky which Montana.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: You said, you've been there, but you can't really remember
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: it very well because the whether it was shitty or something.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: M hm, So I experienced nothing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: And then of course, numerous haunted sites throughout Appalachia. So
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, of course.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: It's Appalachia. Okay.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: So the other there are two rivers here we go.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Like I said, I had to dust my notes off,
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: so I can't remember what I wrote, but it's the
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: Vermilion River and the Wabash River are both here and
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: some of the stuff. What did you say, right?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Is that what you said?
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: All right, sorry, just sounds familiar to me.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh okay, so sorry, guys, it's been like a
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: month since I've done this. I guess there it is
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: alleged that there are burial mounds that exist in the area.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jug, you were right? Was it jug or Vintage
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: that was mentioning that too? And I guess they were
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: right you were. So if the mounds are there, is
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that where they found some of the stuff they dug up.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: To yeap arrowheads, pottery, fragments and other artifacts that were
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: for like gardening or digging. Things like that they dug
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: up or found. I don't know if they dug them up,
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: but they found them. Because it doesn't sound like people
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: are digging enough, in my opinion, get to digging what's
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: going on here? So for me a big part of
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: this and we haven't even really talked about it. Where
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: the house even gets its name from is willows Weep.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: There's a willow tree that sits outside of the house,
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: And to me, I feel like this has some significance
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: to what's going on here too, especially if there was
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: a Native American presence, because weren't willow trees really significant
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: to Native American people as far as like being kind
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: of a place for spiritual connection with the dead or
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: things like that. And I'm like, I wonder if at
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: one time this was a place for that. I don't know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I don't know how old the tree is, but it
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: looks really old. It looks like it's been there a
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: long time.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: That and also from what I'm gathering from everybody else's
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: research when it comes to Native American mounds, is that
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: that's usually a grand gathering place for all different types
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: of tribes along the continents north, central and south. If
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I think I forgot his name, I think it was
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: William Nick. You had on we talked about the mounds
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: in North Carolina and how they were coming from other
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: countries too. So from what I'm seeing by connecting the
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: dots is that these were also a big gathering place
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: for different tribes as well, so they could have you
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: don't know what type of religious practices they had there,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: if they gathered for religious purposes, if they gathered a
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: trade and everything else. Another question, is there a mountain?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Are there mountains near this place?
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: I don't think so. No. I think it's it's pretty
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: flat where this is.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: It's Indiana, so proud.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Indiana. So no, that's nice and flat, nice
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: and flat, just like, oh I am lops of it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: Eastern high it is actually very hilly saw mountains.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: It's different hells. Yeah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Is that the case? Is that the case that a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: paranormal investigator even bought the house at some point?
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Yes? Yes, and that's who ended up tearing it down,
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: to which I couldn't believe. Like that's one of the
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: things where I'm.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Like, hold on, did did he tear it down? Last year.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Twenty twenty four?
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, I was off by Yeah. I think I did
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: catch the our video clip of him tearing it down.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't understand exactly, but I remember seeing that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, which I'm still I have a lot of questions
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: about that. But I am wondering if there's more to
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: it to Like I was saying, if the towns people
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: were like, Okay, I've had enough of this crap. I've
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: had enough people coming in and out. Something needs to
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: be done. Like maybe they were just creating so much
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: of a disturbance there that I wonder if his hand
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: was forced to do that or I don't know. I
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: don't know. It's weird to me though, especially if it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: such a hub for this kind of thing and he
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: could be making money off of it by having people
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: come in, like paranormal investigators coming in. I don't know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: it's just strange.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Real quick, I know we mentioned something with mountains. I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: just want to throw this in there real quick. Supposedly,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I think there's a million Vermilion County History published in
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: eighteen seventy four, and then it was also mentioned somewhere
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: else that there has been rumors of opposed that mounds
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: were from the Native American, possibly some lost race. So
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they thought maybe as tech built mound builders did supposedly
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: build mounds in Eugene alongside Newport as well, so there
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: could have been mounds through that area at some point.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe not that property, but you know, there could have
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: been mounts out.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: There, and as people know, one of the most common
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: paranormal beliefs is if burial sites are disturbed, spirits become restless.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: And a lot of people think that this is what
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: is happening in this area. And this is definitely not
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: unique to Native American traditions. I mean, we've got, like
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: I was saying on our episode here in Ohio, we
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: have a lot of Native American mounds all over the place.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: And Ohio's spooky. It's a spooky place.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I can see that, actually, I can see it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: A lot going on. Yeah, it's unsettling. Like I always
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: talk about my hometown, it's in southeastern Ohio. It's Athens
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: where OU is, and it is it's a creepy place.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of really weird energy there. It's not
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: flat and like most of Ohio, it's actually rolling hills
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: and very different than what you know of Ohio. But uh, yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: it's there's a lot going on there, a lot.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: You know. Dave Chappelle owns a huge piece of property.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Out there, Yellow Springs.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's where he did not far from
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: us Netflix. He did one of his Netflix stand ups
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: when I was back yard, I think it was during
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: COVID from them. Yeah, I was like this ship, this
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: guy lives in Ohio.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Ohio. Actually a lot of famous people come out
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: of Ohio. I can see that, probably because they're all weird,
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: and Ohio is weird.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Not much to do. You actually learn shit, you know
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You teach yourself like some sort of talent,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: or you just get into something.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Heart of it all.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: So, one of the most intriguing aspects of the Willow's
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: Weep case is the recurring claim that whatever may be
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: present there doesn't simply haunt people, it appears to affect
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: them emotionally. Multiple of the investigators that have gone through
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: here have reported intense dread, depression, hopelessness, sudden anger, thoughts
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: of self harm, feelings of being watched or manipulated. And
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: throughout history, many cultures have described entities that are believed
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: to feed on exactly those emotions. And this took me
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: down a rabbit hole, of course, and it really I
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: don't know. I was just kind of on the Native
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: American thing, like, Okay, what fits with entities from this realm?
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: And do you guys have any any thing? Before I
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: get into it, it comes to mind.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: You have me at the edge of my seat right now.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Reminds me of poultry guys.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Mm hm, say to gain, what was that that say
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: that last sentence again? Because I was looking at the chat,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: So I actually kind of missed something that you said.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: I don't even remember what it was. Let me scroll
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: back up here. What did I say?
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: She's old?
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: I'm old.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I forgot what you said. The chat
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: fucked me. I was reading. I was reading Tara like
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Sarah still, Oh.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: I think I said that. Throughout history, many cultures have
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: described entities that are believed to feed on exactly those emotions,
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: which were, you know, intense dread. People who are depressed
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: are more susceptible feelings of hopelessness, anger, thoughts of self harm,
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: things like that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: You know, those are like the things that kind of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: put you into being in tune with the fucked up
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: things that make you even worse. Yeah, you know what
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So yeah, interesting, Okay.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: So this brings me to Judith. You want me to
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: go on?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, please?
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: And Montana tells me, I'm not supposed to say this,
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: but for the sake of people needing to understand what
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about. I'm going to say it and this
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: is the wind to go. Have you heard of the window?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I couldn't tell you much about it, so
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: if you explain it for me.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: When I was looking this up, it said there were
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: other names for it, and one of them was the
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: Spirit of Winter. So that's how I will That's what
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: i'll call it from here on, is the Spirit of Winter,
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: because I don't want know when to go up in
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: my house. Leave me alone, quest say enough going on.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: It's bad cho.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: It's like a cryptocha. Oh well something like that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Ish.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's weird and it's actually which we'll get
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: into in a minute. It doesn't look like how it's
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: been interpreted to look, which really sucks because I think
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: it looks so cool, honestly. But it comes from Algonquin
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Algonquin Algonquin folklore, and it's a supernatural being found in
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: the traditions of several indigenous peoples of the Great Lakes
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Regions and parts of Canada. And it's often portrayed as
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: a monster with antlers, and it looks it's so cool.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: It's like tall, it's got almost like a like a
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: skull in antlers, but apparently that's not accurate. And it's
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: supposed to look like a super tall kind of humanoid
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: thing that's emaciated and almost rotting, like the flesh is
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: falling off of it. It's rotting. It's it's supposed to
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: be associated with cannibalism. So this is like the entity
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: that that's I think where it came from. And I
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: have my own theories on this too, because I'm thinking, Okay,
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: this is this is a cold entity from a cold place.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: It's associated with winter, it's associated with indigenous tribes. I'm like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: what if this was something that came about when times
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: were tough for them, like in the winter, when they
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: couldn't find food and people were getting so ravenously hungry
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: that they were looking at each other like hmm, that's
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: a snack, that's a meal, you know what I mean.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: And you know how those things can form folklore. So
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I wonder if that's where this entity came
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: from in the first place. Is maybe from times of
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: famine where people were so hungry that they'd eat anything
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: and stories arose and thus is the spirit of winter.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: But allegedly this thing is right in line with how
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: these people are feeling like it prays on the week,
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: it prays on people who you know are depressed or
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: or maybe have ongoing issues with things like that. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: don't know I made the connection. What do you think?
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: Do you think it's a stretch?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, for me, it would make sense why we
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: have never there's no one talking about any past massacres
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: happening there.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: It's a religious it is a mounds are known for
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: religious gatherings. The Aztecs were known to make human sacrifices,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: so if this land they were practicing some form of this, Yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: that would make sense. Imagine if you're being the one told, hey,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: you're being sacrificed for us for the winter, those are
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: the feelings you're gonna have. You have the limestone, the water.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just assuming I'm not saying this happened, and no
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: one would really write that down in history because it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: frowned upon.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think I do find it interesting
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: just that you mentioned again, with these people that seem
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to you know, maybe just be going through shit or
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: have stuff going on in the heads, seem to be
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: most susceptible mm hmm. You know, and you you know what.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I I think just just from looking at the stuff,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: when it comes down to magic and just like how
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you can kind of manipulate yourself or be influenced. I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: think it's important to actually understand what's going on inside
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: people's heads that have these experiences. And I think a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: lot of times you just I don't think you did.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think like it. I think a lot of
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: times like maybe they kind of leave that out because
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, if the person seems a
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: little loft, it kind of discredits the whole situation. But like, no,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that may actually help you actually figure out not discrediting
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the situation. Is it only happening again to certain people,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you know? You know, I feel like you're not discrediting,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: it's helping to actually refine what's going on.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Also, the people who are probably there won't admit it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: They're going through a bad season in their life at
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: the time of the year.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I don't want to seem crazy. So yeah, no, for real.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: And I think if you actually really probably knew what
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was going on a lot, I think maybe you'd see
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: more of a commonality. And again, not discrediting it, I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: think it might show that maybe somehow you're just more
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: susceptible to that shit at that moment because the frame
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: of monument.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: Completely agree, all right, So not to jump, well, actually
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: to jump all the way back to when the house
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: was built. I thought that this would be good to
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: put in here, because man, this is nuts. Like the
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: from the very beginning after this house was built, shit
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: was going wrong, like just right out of the gate.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: So that's what makes me feel like it was whatever
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: this is was already there, Like I think it was
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: already there before the house was ever built. Just seems
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: like it to me, I would think, Okay, Montana, do
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: you remember this part? Jesse Sykes, John Sykes. Okay, So
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: before the house was built, the property belonged to Jesse Sykes,
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: who is John Sykes's father. John Sykes is the man
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: who actually built the house, and they were among the
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: early settlers here in the area. Jesse was often described
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: as cruel, abusive, deeply unpleasant. Yeah. Yeah, he was not
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: a nice guy. He did not have a good reputation.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: He was a grump ass, and some tellings alleged that
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: he essayed his daughter. And this part really pissed me
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: off because the more I looked into that to see
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: if it was actually a thing. I saw where he
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: was fined seven hundred dollars and then released after he
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: was arrested for essaying his daughter. Like, Oh, that's that's fabulous,
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: that's nice.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: So year was this, do you have a year?
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Well, the house was built, what was an eighteen.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Ninety I think that's what you said.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: Eighteen ninety Yeah, so it was late eighteen hundreds.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah. And another claim about Jesse is and keep in
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: mind this is the father of the guy that builds
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: the house. Just in case you guys didn't catch that,
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: but he also suffered from epileptic fits, so he was
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: he would have seizures too, So this ties into pretty
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: horrific scene here in a minute. So allegedly Jesse and
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: this was after the house was built, so they were
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: all living in the house together, they had a little farm.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: It's alleged that Jesse was eaten by his hogs alive,
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: eaten alive by his hogs on this property.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so apparently he.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, how did they get you? Oh?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I mean they are big. I guess.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: We were both so intrigued by this because we just
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: couldn't quite wrap our brains around it. And Montana actually
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: looked it up to see why hogs would eat humans, and.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would if you probably didn't feed him for
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: a few weeks. They need anything.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, But he apparently went out to feed them before
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: his own supper and had a seizure. This is what
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: they alleged happened. Had a seizure went down, and they
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: just started to feast on him. And I hate to
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: say stuff like this because I am somebody who I
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: love my poetic justice, but I'm like, if he did
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: do those things to his daughter and he ended this way,
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: they it says that they nowed off his junk. They
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: ate as junk, they ate his intestines. They started eating
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: off like his feet and stuff before his daughter found him.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: And when she did find him, he was still alive,
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: I guess, and so she like pulled him into the
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: house and that's where he eventually died. But I don't know, that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Is interesting that you did mention the animal going for
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the junk. People may not know this, but that actually
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: happens a lot more with wild animals that they will
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: go for that area and sometimes I just I don't know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: why I'm tosted this and I just trying to make
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a point because you're proving it again. Sometimes it's not
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: always some satanist who cut off the kids junk. It
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: could have literally been an animal in the woods that
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: did that. You know, they've shown cases where animals have
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: actually chewed certain parts of the body. But yeah, people
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: will still want to say, some sick motherfucker cut that off,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: you know. So there you go. You have an example
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: of an animal going straight for the generals.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and in my opinion, if he is guilty of
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: his claims, sorry not sorry.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: You know, no, that is that's kind of like the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: ending of was that red dragon maybe or something where
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: there was just like sick, twisted do that was in
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: a wheelchair and I think I don't know if it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Was an Hannibal.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hannibal, Hannibal. Yeah, Yeah, they tossed him inside there
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and it's fucking got it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: It was so messed up. And speaking of Hannibal, the
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: spirit of Winter was depicted in that all the way through,
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: do you remember, Yeah, Like it's what Hannibal was like
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: when it would show him as that thing with antlers,
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: That's what that was.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: That was the yeah, you know that was even in
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the TV show. Yeah, holy fuck. I never even realized that. Yeah,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: they showed that a lot when they did that, Hannibal.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I think it was only off for a few seasons.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: You're showing antlers all the time.
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: Totems, totem poles, they showed those a lot in the series,
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: and there was even one episode that was like based
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: on totems, and it was, but instead they stacked the
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: bodies of the victims as like a totem.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I've heard of that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: Nice creepy. So apparently there was an actual obituary tasting
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: for this that like it actually did happen, and it
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: was titled Cayuga Citizen Devoured by Hogs. I don't know
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: if it's legit or not, but it goes into all
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: the detail about the fact that he had succumbed to
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: a seizure and was found by his daughter half eaten,
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: on and on. So whether it's actual fact or not,
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but if it is, I wouldn't be surprised. Okay,
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: So now we go on to John, who was the
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: one that built the house. He was the son of
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: Jesse and he ended up staying in the house with
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: his wife, Manie, and some sources say that they had
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: a daughter, but I'm not sure if they did or not.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: Neither here nor there really, But the point here is
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: why I'm bringing this stuff up. I'm kind of starting
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: from the beginning to tell about some of the deaths
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: that have happened here and just how odd they are.
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: So that Jesse he was the first one that was
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: pretty odd. And then I guess John died in the
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: house as well, and most of the accounts that I
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: looked into place him places death in the bathtub, but
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: details surrounding it are kind of unclear. But it's alleged
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: that he took his own life. So there's the first.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Unliving definitely interesting man. That place a place obviously focks
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: people's heads up.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: And some of the stuff I was reading said that
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: many his wife also died in the house, and she
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: actually died before John, but she had contracted pneumonia and
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: succumbed to that, and I guess in his grief he
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: took his own life. So put a pin in that
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: pneumonia thing though, because that comes up in a minute.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: It's one of my theories here because I'm like, Okay,
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: that's a little strange, So put a pin in the
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: keep that in mind that she died from that in
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: the house. Okay. So the next family that some shit
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: went down was the Skinner family, and apparently Curtis and
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: Cheryl Skinner purchased the home in the nineties. Cheryl died
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: in the home in two thousand and one at age
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: forty two of a heart attack, and then Curtis later
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: died in six at age sixty three, allegedly from a
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: self inflicted gunshot wound. And in the documentary and it
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: showed a chair that he supposedly was sitting in when
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: he did this, that's still sitting in the house. I
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: don't know. I don't know if that's actually true or not,
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: or if people just kind of put a spin on
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: it to make it interesting. But there it is.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: So far, we have two suicides there.
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right, And when Montana and I were doing this episode,
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: we there's actually a third a third and again it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: another man. And she kind of put two and two
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: together here. She's like, it's always the men that are
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: taking their lives here, and two of them were grief.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: Seems like they were in grief, like they were grieving
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: the deaths of their wives. So it all fits with
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: like whatever this is is preying on people that are
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: feeling despair, people that are, you know, going through something.
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: So I don't know, it's strange that friend.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: That's very interesting, creepy. Yeah, and like you can't even so,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: what's the odds of these people of two people back
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: to back, like getting murdered suicide style in the same house,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like I can't even
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: say that's even a pie, I mean a coincidence. Yeah,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: it's just I'm pretty sure those are probably real suicide
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: So like, wow, that's just really weird to me that
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: And I'd even say the other ship prize, it seems
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: like very fucked up in the head type shit mm hmmm.
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: Very dark, very very dark exactly not as dark as
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: it gets. So this brings us to Brenda Johnson. Good
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: old Brenda. Brenda is not the brightest bob in the box,
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: no offense Brenda, but she ends up buying the house
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: in twenty twelve, and she bought it with the intention
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: of like renovating it, fixing it up because it needed it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: But I guess shortly after she purchased the house she
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: was speaking with one of the elderly neighbors, and this
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: lady was in her late nineties, and the woman claimed
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: to remember that a family had rented the house sometime
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: during the forties and fifties, and the family consisted of
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: a woman, her young daughter, and approximately oh Her daughter
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: was approximately five or six years old, and then she
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: had an older son believed to be in his late
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: teens or early twenties. Local rumors suggested that the woman
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: had been married several times, and the old woman claimed
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: that all three husbands had died under mysterious circumstances, but
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: there was never any documentation confirming these claims. It's just
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: what this little lady was talking about. So and again,
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: all of this information. Like they were interviewing Brenda on
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: this documentary. You can find it. It's on YouTube. I
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: think it might be on Netflix too, I'm not sure.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: But she's just telling telling her stories about this place.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: But I guess the little girl that this little old
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: lady was talking about had disappeared, and according to her,
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: she was never seen or heard from again. There was
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: never a widespread search and there were no major community
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: response that was recalled at all, like it was just
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: kind of swept under the rug. So that was really strange.
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: And then after that happened, this little old lady also
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: claimed that after the girl's disappearance, the older son was
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: found hanging inside the house. It was like he was
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: he had hung himself, like in a threshold of the
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: house between I don't know, the living room and dining
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: room or something, and it shows like when they're walking
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: through the house, they kind of showed where he was.
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: But again, there are no records of this, so she
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: wasn't sure if she was just talking out of her
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: ass or if this actually happened. But nonetheless, I figured
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: it was worth mentioning because it's just more just really
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: dark stuff. And again it was a male. It's weird to.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Me outside of the original owner. Basically, as usually something
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: happens to the female on the property, either they get
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: sick or missing or something, and then the male, a
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: male that you would think was close to them, is
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: the one who took their life. It's like this repeating cycle.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: Yes, and it keeps repeating because we can't really count
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: that one as the three suicides in the story because
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: it was never proven. But there's another one. There's another one.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: And this this was talked about by a woman named Gretchen,
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: who she wanted to remain anonymous, so they like literally
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: like blotted out her face and changed her voice and everything,
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: which I thought was kind of weird. But anyway, she
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: had a friend who at one time or another had
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: moved into this house after his wife had passed away.
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: Once again, it's like what is going on here? And
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: he became incredibly distraught, and when she went to visit
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: it was she said he was like a completely different person.
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: It's like this, she couldn't even really recognize him the
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: way he was behaving and acting. And then eventually he
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: took his own life in that house, and according to Gretchen,
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: she couldn't believe. She's like, I never would have imagined
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: that he would have done something like this because she
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: knew him her whole life, I guess. And yeah, he
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: took his life there as well. So once again we've
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: got that same recurring theme, grieving husband. Nothing's really happening
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: to I mean, the women are dying, but like, what's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: the setup here? It's very strange, and I don't think
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: I've seen anybody connect those dots before, like any of
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: my research nobody was really talking about that or like
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: even the investigators going in, they were so focused on
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: Jesse Sykes that they couldn't see anything else. And I'll
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: talk about that here shortly, because they show going in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: with like the EVP and things like that, and you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: can hear the voices coming through and they have their
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: own preconceived notion of what they're hearing, I think, because
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: they're so focused on the Jesse Sykes thing. But to me,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: I heard something completely different, completely different. So yeah, nobody's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: nobody's connecting these dots. Nobody's talking about the fact that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: the women are dying, the men are grieving, and then
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: they're taking their lives.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that is like I'm sorry, I'm not saying
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: much because I'm actually thinking about it. It's like fucking bizarre.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: You're right, it is. It's almost like a read just
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: a story like in a loop.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Yeap or relieve or reliving a tragedy that has already occurred.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's imprinting on the people with the situation.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: Ooh, that gave me chills. Ooh that's creepy. Yeah, but
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: it sounds right because it was trying to do it again.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: It was trying to do it again with Brenda. So
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: after I'm like, aren't you glad you bought this house? Brenda,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: what the heck? There's a lot going on here. But
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: her husband, I guess, was he didn't believe that anything
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: was going on in the house. And let me, I
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: gotta skipet on my notes here because I don't want
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: to get this wrong. But I'm pretty sure anytime that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: he went into the house, he would get sick, like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: really sick to the point where he was being hospitalized sick,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: which that's strange, but yeah, anytime he'd go in, he'd
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: get nausea, headaches, dizziness, general feelings of sickness, extreme fatigue.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: And I guess what changed his mind, because I think
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: he was just thinking this is coincidence. But according to Brenda,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: he eventually saw a man inside the house accompanied by
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: a young girl, and this is when the first medical
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: like major medical incident happened. So according to his condition
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: became really serious. He was started having severe chest pains
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: enough so that he was taken to the hospital and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: he ended up having to have a pacemaker put in.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: And then the second medical incident with him, he was
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: suffering from headaches, weakness, difficulty getting out of bed, and
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: worsened to the point where again they had to call
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: an ambulance. He was transported to the hospital, became unresponsive,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: and doctors finally discovered that he had three brain aneurysms.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I don't know if there's any correlation there,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: but it just it sounds like extreme right, Like these
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: things can kill you. So once again it's targeting the man.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Did he have a woman living with him or he
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: lived there alone?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: Well, they didn't live there. So while they they bought
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: the house, Brenda and her husband, who do all this
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: shit's happening to, they were going there to renovate, and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: while they were renovating it, they were still living somewhere else,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: so they were only going there to like when they
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: wanted to fix shuit up, And every time they would
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: go there, he would fall incredibly ill like this, to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: the point where he stopped going and she ended up
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: getting a handyman to help her with stuff, and he
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: started experiencing stuff. So yeah, it's an ongoing pattern. I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: don't know, it's strange, and I guess with this handyman,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: they were outside working on the roof for something and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: had pulled their truck up to side of the house
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: because they couldn't quite reach with the ladder, so they
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: put the ladder in the back of the truck. He
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: climbs up and starts working, doing whatever he's doing, and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: then suddenly the ladder starts to like shake to the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: point where it throws him off. So again a mail
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: is being targeted here.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: That's really interesting.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, But according I thought this was kind of funny.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: According to the maintenance guy, he after the fall and everything,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: he claimed that in his mind's eye he saw the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: image of a woman rushing toward him, and he says
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: that the woman shouted, get the fuck out of my house.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: That was weird, all right, So he never went back, he.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Did.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and after that happened to him, after he got
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: thrown off the ladder, Brenda decided, oh, climb up there
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: and finish the job, and anything happened to her. As
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: soon as she got up there, ladder starts shaking. But
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: she got down before anything happened to her, apparently, But yeah.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: She was determined to get that house red of.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it took her a while to really
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: believe that something was going on here. But by the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: time they did this documentary, she wouldn't even go in
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: the house. It starts off the documentary and she's standing
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: out there waiting for them, and she's like just being
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: on this land, like I don't want to be here.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: I don't want to be here. Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: Did it say I'm sorry? Did it say how much
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: she bought it for?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: I don't think so.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see someone bought it at some point for
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: twenty two thousand, But I don't know if that was.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: Her that I think was the paranormal investigator high which
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: I can't remember his name, but i'd get to that.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: I can't believe I cannot remember his name, John Sparks,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: Dave Spinks, Dave Spinks.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: There it is.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, so he's actually the one. He's the one
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: talking with Brenda at the beginning of the documentary when
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: she's standing out there like I'm not going in there?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: Have that another didn't happened?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: What was she like that because just a latter situation
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: or did other things happen to her?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: Other things happened? Well, I mean her husband, that's pretty huge.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: The fact that he was getting so sick he was
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: hospitalized every time he would visit it's a pretty big deal.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: But she didn't stop after that. Nope.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: And one time they were renovated and I guess a
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: board or something went flying and hit her son in
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: the head. And then my notes say, here is another
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: thing that had happened was according to Brenda, there had
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: been a cross that was hanging on one of the walls.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: And like I said, they were only there. They were
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: in and out, so they were only there when they
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: were renovating. So she came back to renovate one day
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: and this cross had been burned and knocked to the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: floor and allegedly left a mark on the wall behind it,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: which she interpreted to look like the goat head of Bapphaming.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: It was like in that shape.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: But again.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I did see it, and I could
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: see where you could think because they do show the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: burn mark. They do show it, but I mean that's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: up to interpretation. I think you'd have to see it yourself.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I do have I do have a question about Brenda.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Out of everything you investigated, is she the only one?
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: What was her and her family the only ones that
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: got affected by things physically? But not like getting sick,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: but I mean, like the board flying at him and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, and the ladder.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: As far as I know, yes, but again maybe not
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: because a lot of this stuff happened a long time ago,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: and things were happening and they just didn't talk about it. Yeah,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: but but yeah, So that was another incident. Then I
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: guess that she had some visitors at the house one day.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: They were all standing out in the yard and apparently
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: these visitors were talking negatively about the house or the tree,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: the willow tree, something like that, and according to Brenda,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: after they had left, they all ended up in a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: car accident and we're all three like in critical care
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: after that. So there's another incident. And they were all men.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: They were men, Okay, keep playing, And this one was
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: kind of off the beaten path that we're going down
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: here because this is nothing like this has happened up
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: to now. So she was having a gathering, I guess
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: Brenda at Willow's Weep where friends and family were visiting.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: Several adults were inside having dinner, and a three year
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: old niece named Emily was also present. At one point,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: family members noticed that Emily was standing outside waving toward
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: an upstairs window, and so they went out and there.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: They asked her, like, who were you waving at? And
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: Emily alleged that there was a little girl up in
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: the window that she was waving to, saying hi to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: this little girl up in the window. So this is
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: the second time a little girl has been seen.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: That reminds me of Bammyvihor right there.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, her friend was her friend Jody Jony something like that.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: I remember, and the movie I remember that. Yeah, that's interesting.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: So they figured that she was just you know, using
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: her imagination. But then things escalated and pretty quickly, I guess,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: Emily began screaming, so they rushed back out to see
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: what had happened, and she said the little girl came
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: down from the window and bit me, And initially they
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: again didn't believe her. But however they not later noticed
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: that she had bite on the side of her face,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: so something had bit her in the face. And she
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: was three, So she was three years old, so to
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: say something like that, that's a pretty big deal. That's
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: a pretty big thing to make up for a three
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: year old, all right. So this is this is the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: part where I'm like, why wasn't more done about this?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: This is the cross space that was under the house.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: There was a fire pit under there, like a ring
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: of stones, like an actual fire pit. And I don't
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: know if this was something that was known up to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: this point, but her maintenance man, the one that just
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: couldn't take a hint. What, I'll go under there and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: I'll investigate and see what's going on with this. So
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: while he was under there, he saw a large amount
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: of dirt roughly six feet in length and oval shaped
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: in appearance, so, believing something might be buried there, he
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: began to move the dirt aside with a stick, and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: according to him, something happened immediately after disturbing the area.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: He claimed that he suddenly felt an unseen force physically
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: attack him. He described it as feeling restrained, feeling grabbed,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: being unable to move freely, and fighting desperately to escape,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: but he couldn't, but he used all of his strength
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: and eventually was able to force his way back toward
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: the cross Bace entrance. And when he emerged, he had
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: found a bone, an actual bone. And they take this
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: bone and Brenda actually allegedly takes it to her doctor
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: to see what it is. I'm like, why would you
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: take a bone to your doctor for him to see
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: what it is. That's weird to me. But apparently it
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: was a child's bone based on the size she said.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: She wasn't too bright, this is why me. But to me,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: I'm like, why this is the only thing that I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: could find that was done with this bone? Like why
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: on earth wouldn't you want to know what that bone was,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: where it came from, like DNA something?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: But what year was this?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: This was what twenty twelve, like somewhere around twenty twelve,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: Like we've had enough technology at that point to where
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: a lot more could have been done with that bone.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: But that's it. She took it to her doctor. He's like, yeah,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: that's a kid's bone. So she and I guess specifically
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: the part of the arm and elbow bone. But she
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: takes it back to the house and throws it back
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: under there, and that's it. That's a wrap.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: There's so much wrong with that whole situation right there.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: It goes back to when the house was built because
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: that mound was there. Because I can't see anyone creating
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: that after the house is built. That means that house
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: was built on a mountain.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: Yes, And like I was saying, when we did this episode,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: and like, what if it was a Native American armbone?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: Like what if it was a child from then? Like
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: why wouldn't you want to investigate further? Why wouldn't you
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: want to get some DNA from that.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Especially with the history of the one missing child, which
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: I doubt it was her.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: But even for me, I think, well, I don't know,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I think I might have tried to. I don't know
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: if I would have dug too much, but I think
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I might have looked for more than one bone to
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: just start showing off its evidence as well, not discrediting it.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: But like I think I even would I would have
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: done something besides just being okay with one bone. Either
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: would I had tested or I would have looked for
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: more to get someone's attention.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: I wonder if at this point they were just so
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: done and so shaken up, because I mean even the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: maintenance man himself, like when he came out from under
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: that house, was scared by the sounds of things. So
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: maybe they just wanted to be done with it.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, does h doesn't I know I mentioned
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: it earlier, but I don't have it in front of
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: me yet. Doesn't this also tie into I don't think
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: it's really all that credited. But supposedly there's rumors that
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: there was a grimoire found down there with some sort
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: of witchcraft book.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, under the floorboards. I'm not sure if this
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: was the same time that the floorboard flew and hit
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: her son in the face, but I think it was
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: closely related because they had been working on the floor
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: and they were taking up the old hardwood. And apparently
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: the book was found in a corner of the room,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: like the main room of the house, and it had
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: a pentagram on the front. And I can't remember. Let
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: me see if I have this, did you look it
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: up to see if you could find what it was called.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: I think I wrote it down somewhere, but I can't
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: remember what the name of it was. I think it
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: was something like does this something actually exists? But I
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: can't remember what the something was.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it supposedly in the nineteen fifties, when they
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: were they were replacing the floor floorboard, like you said,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: they found that completely different situation. It wasn't the same
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: time the ship was downstairs. I got that confused. I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: thought it was the same time. Oh yeah, I think
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: that thing when you said they found that other stuff
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: with the firepit kind of thing that was separate as well.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but yeah, they do think that
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: there is a yeah supposed you like rymore so I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: find that weird.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's strange. So after all this shit goes down,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: Brenda's like okay, I'm done. So she is the one
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: who sells the house to Dave Spanks and I guess
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: he purchased it in twenty nineteen. And this is another
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: thing that I find as wild, like why didn't he
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: do more with this pit and bone and things like that,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: Like why wouldn't he want to know more? I don't
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: understand unless it just never existed. This it's just all hearsay.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, from the stories that you tell
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: earlier obviously all that stuff. I mean, I think there's
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: something going on, regardless if it's the property or what.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I don't know. I just I mean,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: once the paranormal investigator gets involved, I just get a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: little iffy on why what's going on? I don't like
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: that's sound shitty, but they hate to say that, but
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: once they buy the property, it's just like who knows
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: the intentions? Like who's to say, like those stories are
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: true about the grim wore and the shit downstairs. You know,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know the prior the prior owner told
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: me these stories on I bought it. You know, it
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: adds to the whole woo. Not that you even needed,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, But it does help.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: I think, so the paranormal griff. And then if you
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: tear it down, there's no proof of anything exactly, and
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: then you can so then nobody can ever dispute anything
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: you said.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Yep, which actually brings me up to the question is
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: has this property ever stayed vacant at any long length
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: of time? Because a lot of the stuff they found
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: could could have been pranks put in there by kids too.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: Could have been ben I don't I'm not sure. I'm
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: sure that it probably was. I would imagine it probably
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: did set vacant a time or two.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I would even be I think it would still be
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: interesting to go there, even though I mean obviously that
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: so what's there is a vacant lot now, because I
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: even think that should still be setsy. You can use RV.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Just park an RV there for a few days and
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: see if you start getting fucking crazy. Thoughts and feelings
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: to get the fuck out.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: So then you're not sure if he ended up selling
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: the land or not. I don't know if Dave still
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: owns it or what. And I want to know, Like
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: I wonder if the willow tree is still.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: There, Like there's so much research, I'd still be doing
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: all that shit, even just with the property.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, but the problem with the research is that it
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: will be incomplete because there's a lot of investigation that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: should have occurred that has not occurred on that land.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: We don't know how big the deposits are there. I'm wondering, Yes,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: he found a bone there, but is there other body
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: parts on that property? Because prior to the house being
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: built there, it could have been a grave site for
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: all we.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: Know exactly it could have been. And why wouldn't you
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: want to know, especially as an investigator, Like why aren't
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: you investigating? And if you decide to hair down the house,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: wouldn't that be the perfect opportunity to just kind of
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: excavate further? I don't know. It's weird.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: So I looked it up and it says that the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: book they found wasn't a cult book that was on
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: necromancy and dark rituals, So I don't know if.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: That has anything to do with it or not.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: A Legendly, what year did they find that?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah? What year did they say they found out?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: I don't see that. I have to dig a little deeper.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: For me. That does matter because if it was anywhere
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: near the seventies and eighties satanic panic and that back then,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: all the all those kids that were revolting, that would
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: have been a nice prank. She's renovating the place, right,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: was it being renovated or lived in?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: Renovated?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: So it's being renovated.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I found it out.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Oh no, it's being renovated. You want to spook some kids?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: What do they do out here? Nick? At that psyche board?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: That's like a big challenge for kids. You want to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: scare somebody, you put little gems.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: Like that, Oh for sure?
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that on that one, I'm a little
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: iffy on on the whole Grimar situation because that means whoever.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: If that's the case, that means someone along the lines
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: probably was messing around. But there's no documentation of those
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: nefarious type of behavior going on there that matches that.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Now, just to me, it just doesn't seem like a
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: normal kind of haunting situation.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: That doesn't for me.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: The later people who own the house is susceptible to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: the stories that the town people say and the stories
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: that come with the land, so that that day could
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: be seeing what they heard from these people. So I'm
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: not really putting much much into what they they say
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: quote unquote happened the maintenance guy. I feel sorry for him.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: He should have walked away after the ladder. But that's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: just my opinion. But the earlier ones, that's where the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: the repeat situation keeps happening. That's the ones that I'm
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: more concerned about, because that gives you more core of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: what might have happened on that land that no one
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: is saying.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah see, like so many's even see Trevor's mentioning
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: that the necromancer thing, that's what I was kind of
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: getting that here. Just my opinion though Still I don't
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: think a grimoire or some kind of necromance and the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: necronomicon inside the basement, you know, inside the floorboards, joking around.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: I don't see what was going on there. I should
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: resemble anything that most people would even assume even comes
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: with that shit or not enough in my my opinion,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: you know, to me, I just I feel like most
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: of that shit is I think mental, more mental and halluciogenic.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: What if the reason that book was there in the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: first place is because shit was going down and whoever
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: was living there at the time was just trying to
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: figure it out, you know, like they were looking for
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: some kind of research or resource.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: Most people around that time probably would have brought in
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: a preest for an exorcism or a blessing of the house.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: DEA's never been done.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: It was the nineteen fifties. They found the book, Like
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: Nick said.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: Did they put it back?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: Does that say.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: Because I know that Brenda was talking about that, but
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: finding that book and the documentary unless I'm mixing things up,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: But I wonder if they put the book back.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: You know what if she's mentioned that and the book
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: was found in the nineteen fifths to support what I
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: just said, the people who are who came after were
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: influenced by word of mouth. If you tell me I
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: bought a house and it's quote unquote haunted, yeah, I'm
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: gonna start seeing things in the dark. Yeah, because it's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: already in my mind.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's even like the whole thing. I even said
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: with even if you do that whole thing, what's that
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: bloody Mary? I mean obviously probably not can really see
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: something that extreme. But like you know, I was talking
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: about how scrying or even doing that if you once
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: you once you start dimming the lights and you're staring
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: at something reflective and your brain can't see is clear anymore,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: it starts filling in the gaps just so you can
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: have you know, be okay that you understand, like your
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: mind has to has to have an answer, it's gonna
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: go crazy. So it just you know, fixes this image
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: and sometimes it may not be correct. Doesn't mean that
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: it's fucking demon in the mirror now, It just means
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: that you're looking at a blurry image of an incorrect
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: image of your face.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: Also, I think you mentioned it earlier and someone did
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: mention it here again, the house was shaped in what
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: looks like an upside down cross. Now we're also talking
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: about a different time, a different decade. You also back then,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: if you had a farmhouse and you could actually you're
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: in Ohio, So if you go to southern Ohio and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: you drive through Homage Country, you'll see the Heck's symbol
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: on most barnyards toward off evil and everything else. So
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: what did that mean to them back then that he
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: shaped it in that form, because that upside down cross
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: thing is a more modern concept to us than it
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: probably was to them.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: Right, good point.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: To answer your question. They did not put the book
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: back that once they uncovered it. They just chose to
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: remove it from the property. But because they moved it
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: from the property, believers, the lore is they claimed that
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: removing the book from its hiding spy is actually what
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: unleashed or intensified the aggressive paranormal activity and negative energy.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: That depends on when it was placed there. They found
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: it in the fifties. They don't know when it was
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: placed there, right.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 6: Correct, Like was it placed there when it was built?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: I doubt it.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: It would have had to been after most likely.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we hope to know. Even what's the name of
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: the grim wore? Yeah? I mean, like, let's be real,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: I mean like somebody could have put out likely you
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: could have bought a book in the eighties by Llewellyn something,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: someone wrote Someone's grimoire around here, and somebody who doesn't
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: know jack shit about it's going to think that's a
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: grim war No, Grimoire is fucking seventeen hundred and fifteen
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: hundreds eleven, you know what I'm saying. And you're looking
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: at a book that's, you know, from nineteen seventy, and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: you're just confused, thinking it's something different.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's there.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: It's never been publicly revealed the name.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: And they believed that the book was put there about
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: the time the house was built, so about eighteen ninety.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: Where are you looking, Internet.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: Because I'm pretty sure in the documentary they showed the book. Oh,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: they showed a photo of it, because I think I
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: wrote it down and I can't find where. I can't
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: find it in my notes.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: It's also be can you date the book? Can they
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: date it? Carbon dated?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: And see what I can remember from just visually remembering
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: the book in the documentary. It was black and it
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: almost looked like a paperback book. Though it was like
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: a paperback book. It was black and it had a
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: red pentagram on the front.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: It's like fucking the necronomicon.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: Probably no to me.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and again that could have been completely fake. Who knows.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I'd like, yo, that's that's just the hype of the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: story that doesn't need any hYP opinion.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: Well, based on the historical context about the book, how
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: it looks whatever, it's about one twenty to forty years old,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: so they're claiming about one hundred and thirty six years old.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 6: Really, I don't know so good segue, Nick, what you
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: were talking about where like you see kind of what
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: you want to see to fill in the blanks. This
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: is what annoyed the shit out of me about the
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: documentary because this is based That's how I felt about
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: every investigator that went through there. It's like, you're so
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: fixated on this one idea that you're not open to
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: anything else.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I was even saying before, like, find
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: out what's going on inside these people's heads. Even it
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: makes them look cool. Cool. Maybe that's what's part of
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: the reason why they getting tapped into Snett, discrediting the situations,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: giving you more to work with and how to define
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: you know my opinion.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: Yep, they were going through There was this one guy
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: in particular, his name was Eric Connor, and they showed
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 6: a lot of him going through. But before that, I
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: think is when Dave Spink's team went in. They stayed
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: the whole night. The one chick was the one that
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: had to leave and not come back in. Well. Then
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: on another occasion, Eric Connor came in. But both groups
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: or both teams were so fixated on Jesse Sykes and
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: it being him who was the evil presence in this
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: house that they were just hyper fixated on it. Everything
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: was it was him trying to communicate it was him.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: They were hearing through the EVP and like, I'm not
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: hearing this. So when Eric went through, he was, you know,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: shouting out things and saying if you can hear me,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: pull my finger, that kind of bullshit. But at one point, Oh,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: that's a family joke I bring up all the time.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: It's so stupid. But but he was getting like all
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: these really creepy sounding noises coming through, which I don't
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: know how you guys feel about that kind of stuff,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: but I mean, I believe that things are going on,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: like things are coming through, whether they're electromagnetic frequencies whatever.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: But he's, oh, it sounds like this guttural scream, like
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: like Jesse's angry and he wants us to get the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: hell out of here. And that's what they all said.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: They're like, he wants us to leave. He wants us
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: to get out, get that out of his house. But
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: what I was hearing almost sounded like a cough to me,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 6: like something was coughing. And this is where I wanted
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: you to remember that pemonia and how the woman died
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 6: of pneumonia. But that's what it sounded like to me.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: It sounded like something was coughing. I don't know, you know,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: take it with a grain of salt or whatever, but
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: it didn't. I just didn't feel what they were feeling.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: It didn't seem like it had anything to do with
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: Jesse Sykes at all. And honestly, it probably wasn't the
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: sound of somebody coughing. It's probably something much darker and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: much more involved. But it's just one of those things.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: It's like once you get hyper fixated on something, it
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: kind of takes the fun out of it.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: She yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: That's why I discredit a certain like I would say
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy pass, I not discredit. I won't take them
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: into serious account because, like I said, they have the influence.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: Also that the Jesse, I don't know how much of
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: that would be. Theatrics, you know, it's very dramatic. She
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: gets sick, she can't come back in. I think the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: piece that people are not looking at is that the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: first owner, the first death occurred before that house was built.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: So whatever cycle is going through that land has something
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: to do prior to them having that land. I feel
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: I agree the limestone. I see where Montana said it
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: sounds like poultageist because this does sound like the Poltegeist
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: movie if it went on.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: So now here there, that's the book that was supposedly found.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: That's the book that was found.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, and yeah, let me let me take this off
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: the screen. Well all right, so now listen, this.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: Is actually aker.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: There's actually information about this, so yes, they have sure
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: the book. David Spink's official Willow's Wheat page includes a
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: photograph of the bodily worn copy of the same booklet
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: pictured above and what it actually is. It is a
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: twenty five page staple bound religious booklet published by the
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Worldwide Church of God in nineteen eighty nine. So it
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: gives me the ISBN number and everything, So then I'm
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: just using I'm using chut GBT. Then it actually now
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: is trying to correct itself, saying that it must be
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: wrong about being found in the nineteen fifties, because that's
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: impossible to the books from nineteen eighty nine.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, so.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I like when I was trying to get out before,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I believe there's something wrong with the ground. But I'm sorry,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: this is paranormal Investigator anything. Bought that property to pimp
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: out the story and try to make money over it.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: I think you're right.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't do anything different.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: He got the results he wanted because I'm sure he
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: got enough views and subscribers after that too.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: But maybe that's like your shit wrong with that place anyway.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would like to check it out. I don't know.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: I think it would be cool if the tree was
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: still standing, Like I wonder if they tore the tree
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: down to but I'd be bringing a shovel but probably
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: really regret it.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: But I will. I will add to that book though.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: It is about channeling. Communication with the dead is our
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: real spirit world, the spirit guides of channelers and dreams
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: dreamers in the spirit world. That's all like the contents
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: inside that book, so you know it does deal with
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: but still it doesn't match what was said earlier nineteen
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: fifty is that's impossible.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I could have sworn that Brenda was the one
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: that found it when she was pulling up the floor.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: But I could be wrong. I don't know, I'm old,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: so yeah, probably Dave. Yeah, Dave ends up tearing it
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: down in twenty twenty four, saying that it had done
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: enough damage that needed to go, which sounds like a
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: bunch of horse shit to me. He was probably just
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 6: trying to cover his tracks.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: It sounds as shady as when they tore down that.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys follow true crime when
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: they tore down the Idaho four house or were just
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: like really.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 6: Like and all the four and every single trial even done.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and every single every single victim is cremated. Seriously, Yeah,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: there's no proof of anything with that crime anymore.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: I didn't know that.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Fucked it makes no sense. Yeah, not to get off
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: on that one. It's just when you're still looking into
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: that shit, you're like, what, what's the odds of all
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: four parents deciding to burn their kids? That just makes
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: no sense? And then you demolish the house too, Like
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: how the fuck? I don't know.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes me wonder was there ever a fire pit?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: Was there ever a bone?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Was?
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: Like it should still be there?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Even though they tore down the house. That's why I
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: wonder if the house, if that land is vacant or
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: is it or does he still owns that land.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yo, I would go there.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: I'd like you're saying, golf.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: No, I would definitely that. I would definitely go there
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: and see see if something weird. So let's pop it
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: into my head after a while.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: The one thing that would make me leary of going,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: and I again talked about this in our episode, is
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: because I'm somebody who I've always suffered with depression and
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: things like that. I wonder if I would be more
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: susceptible to something like that might make me think twice
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: about going, Like would that thing want to problem or something?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: The problem is you already know the history of it,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: so that already is going to influence how you feel
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: when you hit that ground. The best experiment to try
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: is to and I hate.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: To send somebody.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just bring them, Yeah, just bring them there and
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: just see how they react to it without telling them
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: the history.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: That's why I ask if a psychic was there, if
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: they bring what a legitimate sech see that happened. There's
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: never been a psychic on there. There's never been any
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: documentation of a priest going there to at least bless
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: the house, bless the land, bless the house, or anything
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: like that. And back then when it was built and
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: it was purchased, I do believe people were that religious
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: where they would if they had a clergyman, they'd be like,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: can you come and bless this land so it could
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: be fruitful. Yeah, not to avoid anything else, but just that.
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  Speaker 3: And that's not that's not even document it as being done.
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  Speaker 3: That's not even spoken us.
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  Speaker 6: Nope, not at all, not at all. And I would
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  Speaker 6: love to watch something like that. That was one of
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  Speaker 6: the things that irritated me the most is like the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: people going in to investigate they already that would be
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: much more interesting to me. So yeah, totally agree.
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  Speaker 3: Or at least try to excavate and find out if
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: there's any you know, other things other than what's in
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: the mound there.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So why I hate ghost adventures?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: Same?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean even for me, like let's say if
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: this house, like if the property was the house was
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: still standing on the property and I was able to
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: go there, I mean like even for me, I'd be
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: like like I'd probably send my drone up. Yeah, I
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: would try to check the surroundings so much, and I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: feel like you never get that much with even what
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: you see on TV, at least mainstream goes hunting shows.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, they may look into the history, but like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: my opinion, it's like they get there and they go
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll look like around the area, but you pretty
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: much go into the place and they start going over
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: the history and this and that. It's like, how about
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: during the day you actually start looking at the surrounding
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: area during the pta you realize what the fuck's even
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: around before you go inside the house.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't even have that much experience
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 6: with stuff like this, and it seems very obvious, like
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: why wouldn't that be one of the first things you'd
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: want to do, especially with the feeling that people were getting.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: It just seems like so much more than a ghost
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 6: haunting a house.
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  Speaker 3: With the with the buying of the property, I think
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: I forgot what I can't recall what it's called. Usually,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: if you're buying property, you usually have someone come and
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: take a look and take samples of the soil, and
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: you know how much percentage of maybe limestone is down there.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: Or what other minerals are there as well, the water
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: table and stuff like that. No one's looked into that
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: to find out to add that in there. And I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: don't know if they have it on record. I don't
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: know if you saw that while you were doing your
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: research that they had the property information.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: Nop.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 6: But I didn't dig that deeply. But it would be
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: nice to know.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Definitely interesting situation here, Yeah, I definitely think it's something
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of stuff though a lot yo. You know,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: like we were were pretty far in before we got
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: to the first murder of the first death. Yeah, I
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: was looking at the No, no, not at all. I
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: was looking at the time and I was like, yo,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: we haven't even got to anybody who died yet. Not
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: like even even when I was telling myself I was
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: probably shut up and let to talk, but I was
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: just it was a lot to that story. I think
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: a very interesting situation. I find that the property very
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: interesting to me. I don't think it has to do
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: with the house the land.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 6: Have either of you ever been someplace like that that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 6: had an energy like that?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, And I get the hell out of Dodge.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: And it's not even like tied to like me thinking
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: that there was anything wrong with the place, like literally
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: just walked into places or just just like something's not
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: right here.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 6: I where I grew up, there is an old lunatic
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: asylum that was shut down, a huge, beautiful asylum, and
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: I actually got the privilege to tore it. And even
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 6: though it's shut down, like it's pretty much the way
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 6: that it was, like nothing has been changed really, and
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: it's probably the closest thing that I can relate to
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: what this must have felt like the energy. I walked
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: from one corridor to another and instantly felt that feeling.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: It was like heavy dread, and then once we were
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 6: through that part of the building, it was gone. So
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: it always just makes me think about that feeling is
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: probably what people feel when they're on this land. I
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 6: don't know, but.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I've had that experience over at a Pilgrim State on
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Long Island with the buildings out there when I didn't Yeah,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: I've had this experience multiple times for other reasons, but
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: this one, when I went into that place, it wasn't
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: in the mindset that I was like thinking I was
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: going to get grated out of creeped out. I went
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: in there, so I actually wanted to see what the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: place looked like and see if there was any files
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: of like the crazy patients and see just like what
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: kind of weird shit was going on in it. And
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: there was files. I never kept any of them. But
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: there was a time where I walked into a room
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: that just like it was like an open It was
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: almost like a section of the place. It wasn't just
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: one specific room. It's kind of like a section of
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: the building. And like even like you could tell it
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: was for something different, because like even the style of
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: the whole hallways and all that shit were different. Something
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: did not feel right, and I was just like, yo,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, I not were I don't know. It's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: like I don't think I'm gonna get attacked by a ghost,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: but I just don't feel right in here. And everybody
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: else was even just like yo, this one's creepy. We
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: just left. Yeah, So I've even felt like it, like
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: what you had said, it's almost like this feeling of
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: dreaded despair just blows through you for a second. You're
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: like what the fuck. And I was like, yeah, I'm
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: out of this one.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And it was I I wonder, oh it was yeah,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 6: I was gonna ask, Yeah, I know a lot of
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 6: those places are designed for like the paint color had
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: like they picked the paint colors for certain reasons, and
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: that's initially what I thought. I'm like, oh, it's just
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 6: you know, the feeling of it. The room is different
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 6: because it's a different color than the last one. But
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know. The part that I was in was
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 6: it was where the solitary confinement was, and man it
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 6: was it was heavy, heavy, heavy, and there were like
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: I got to go into one of the rooms and
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: it was absolutely terrifying. But they had like the windows
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: had this thing where you could board it up and
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: there was only like one little hole where light could
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: come through. And like I can just imagine, you know,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: back in the day, being closed into one of those
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: rooms and all you get is like one ray of
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: light coming in, like just heavy dark, dark energy.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: It didn't you mention once that those places where had
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: bricks oh frequency, same thing that the limestone situation. The
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: frequencies in those places do trap that type of energy,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: and there red.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Bricks had like some weird ship with the MF. It's
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit if you should pull.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: The ridges because that's the place I'm talking about. It's
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: huge and it's red bricks. That's wild. I didn't know that.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Nick mentioned that one time when we were talking about
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: wonded places.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, that's a perfect thing,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: because Pilgrim State is, like I think it, it might
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: be in the country, the biggest complex ever with red bricks,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Like that's how many red bricks were use it. And
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: it's just like, does that really help? Like I don't
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: know that crazy people even crazier. I don't know. Uh,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Fuck, I don't know. I only really
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: knew of the place originally because when my grandfather came
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: out of World War Two he worked there for a
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: little bit. But I think it might have gotten closed
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: out in this sixties and seventies.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: That could be wrong, okay, but yeah, yeah, the place
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about was closed down in the early nineties.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: So maybe King's There was King's Park and somewhere else
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: I think also hold On Island, right, Judith, was there
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: any other ones you had?
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Kings King the King's Park one.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had that too.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: That's the one the kids go to a lot too.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of these, a lot of these
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: the Pilgrim state. Should you not? Though there was a
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: lot of times that when those buildings got shut down. No, lie,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of those people were just let go into society.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, shit, you not.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: That'surely what happened with a lot of these people there. Now,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: think about that society back out into the human world,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: and what if they even start procreating, like like keeping
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: it real, keeping it real, man, you start getting a
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, it's fucking you know, weird shick
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: and saw what plying. Yeah, it's like getting water.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh it all makes.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: That's what happened. All right, Well, thank you very much,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 6: Thanks for having us again.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Yes, and actually I could see Jess, why
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: you think it's the land.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm totally sold on that as well. Ess,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's the land. Something's up with that ship,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I think for sure. Well, yeah, again, thank you. That
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: was awesome. That was really great. I truly like that one.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: It might have been my favorite so far. That was
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: fucking wild ship, just weird, even though some of the
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: other ones. At the last one you had that chick
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: killing knocking people off. I mean, that's fucking twister. This
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: one's really got me thinking like, wow, this is you
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: know something problem? Yeah, I know it seems like it
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: to me for sure. Uh, Judith, before we wrap it up,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: why don't you let everybody know what's up with you?
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: You could catch me on YouTube x and Spreaker as
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: a loon. I always love having you two on. It's
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: always fun. You always send me down a different rabbit hole.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: Thank you. That's what we're here for this one.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: I'm really because this one has a lot of holes,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: so I might actually look into a few things myself.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: So thank you for that for having me Nick, It's
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: always a pleasure.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, thank you. Yeah, no, for sure. Honestly,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't that they covered it, I was like, damn,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: I won't even probably do an episode on this myself
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: is fucking weirday. We'll see. Thank you though, uh Man Tanna,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: thank you for joining you not knocking you. It was
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: probably the most you ever spoke on the show before
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: was this episode. Time you came on, I was just like,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: go and don't think she does say anything, I swear.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: I talk on our podcast.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: I just let her steal the show.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, topic, I know I've seen reels of you. You
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: know doing it, so I know that happens, I know
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: it exists. So but yeah, no, it was really cool
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: that I can't hear more out of you today. So
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, and thank you for coming on regardless,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: and uh, Jess, thank you very much for coming on.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: Which one of you is you want to promote the show?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: Tell everybody?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: I guess I'll talk it away.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: Thanks Nick.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: It's always fun to be on here, and we do
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: love to see you do this as well. It's always fun,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: especially the rabbit holes. Yeah, that's our side quest, that's
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: what we call them. But again, you can find us
• 1:51:52
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• 1:51:59
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• 1:52:06
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• 1:52:07
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• 1:52:08
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• 1:52:11
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• 1:52:14
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• 1:52:17
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• 1:52:21
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• 1:52:25
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• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: And like and you guys have you guys have YouTube
• 1:52:29
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• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: Weekly bizarre podcast.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, one day. There's no reason why.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding, what was I gonna say?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: I do know from from my experience, I've got a
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: lot better over the times now, So like my editing
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: isn't as like you know, sometimes I just want to
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: blow my brains out editing shows. But I don't think
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: people realize too that, like when they kind of they're
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: not having a guest on to run their mouth to
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: cover the topic, They're covering the topic themselves. This editing
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: this you know, fuck ups when you say shit and
• 1:53:09
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• 1:53:11
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• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're burping. It's happened to me plenty
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: of times. She showed it a Spoots reel.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 6: I left my last episode.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, fuck it, I'll hear
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: that ship in the mic as I'm recording myself. I
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: just it's in my chest. I didn't even Burpen will
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: pick that up. I'm like, God, damn it, I gotta
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: go over that. But you know, so there's a there's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of time spent and when people cover their
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: own solo shit. So yeah, since the fact that you
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: don't charge for anything, you think that's great. Well, I
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: guess whatever. I don't know what's on your Patreon, but
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, I would definitely, you know, check that out,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: you know, because there's a lot of time in there,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, when people do solo shit, that's
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get it.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: So thank you.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know for myself doing that. It's just
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and you guys have very thorough or I
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: think at least when you come on the show you all. Yeah,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it might be a mess on yours. I
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: don't know you pretty well, you know, but thank thank
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: you both. Thank you everybody in the chat. That is
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: what's up. I appreciate everybody. There was some great stuff
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: in there, a lot of awesome things being said by
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: some of the uh, some of the listeners, the watchers,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: I guess people, if you catch the replay, maybe even
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: check out some of the thoughts and things people are
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: saying in the chat with this one. And that's where
• 1:54:31
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• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: And uh, that's it and until the next one, everybody,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: do well later, close your words.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: Look into the darkness, find the blazing story.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Focus on.
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  Speaker 2: It would be called the eclipse. Don't feel in pictures.
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