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Nick Viall One-on-One: From The Bachelor to Real Life · Reality with The King

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Speaker 2: King the reality icon, the host who does the most
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Speaker 2: nickle intro. Listen, I'm so happy to talk to you.
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Speaker 3: I'm happy, I'm happy to be with you. Thanks for
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Speaker 3: thanks for having.
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Speaker 2: Me so a little behind the scenes t So, I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna tell you all how much of a great guy
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Speaker 2: Nick is, because I know people think, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: he's this or that. Listen. In real life, I had
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Speaker 2: a studio book.
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Speaker 3: From my guy. An hour ago, no one showed up.
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Speaker 2: His publicist and Nick were like, let's just pivot and
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Speaker 2: come to our studio.
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Speaker 3: And Nick was like, do you need a ride? I'm like,
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Speaker 3: I can catch an uber or left or the train.
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Speaker 2: He's like, come ride with me, dude. So listen all
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Speaker 2: of that talk about what this guy does or doesn't do.
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Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you he is the nicest and
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for pivoting the way you did.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand Nick, why people think you're a bad guy.
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Speaker 3: Get that. You know, I have opinions, you know, and
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Speaker 3: I'm white, I'm straight, so well you know. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean listen, I think, as you know, you know,
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Speaker 3: just like I think the reality TV space is, you
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Speaker 3: have to embrace the discourse. You know. I'm always like
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Speaker 3: reminding my team it is not our jobs to be liked.
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Speaker 3: It is our job to like give things people to
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Speaker 3: care about. You know. We want people to be engaged
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Speaker 3: in what we're doing. We want them to certainly enjoy
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Speaker 3: being liked, and we want people to agree with us
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Speaker 3: at times, but it's more important that they care. It's
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Speaker 3: not interesting to just say the popular thing. We're also
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Speaker 3: not trying to say things just to be divisive either,
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Speaker 3: you know, We're not. You know, there's I'm a huge
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Speaker 3: sports fan and I find it irritating. There's like a
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Speaker 3: gentleman named Skip Bayliss. For those of you who follow
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Speaker 3: sports you would know. But like there's certain people in
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Speaker 3: sports who are just they say things knowing it's going
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Speaker 3: to get people riled up, like knowing it's going to
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Speaker 3: be they don't even believe in what they're saying. And
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Speaker 3: that's certainly something that we we we don't do that,
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Speaker 3: but we are willing to, like, you know, have an
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Speaker 3: opinion and allow people disagree with it. And I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, and and and like in Reality TV, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's just like I always kind of equate it to
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Speaker 3: sports because we cover Reality V like sports, where like
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Speaker 3: I love I love rooting against the Minnesota Vikings as
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Speaker 3: much as I enjoy rooting for my Green Bay Packers,
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Speaker 3: you know. So it's like it's it's fun to like
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Speaker 3: hate on things, as we know as humans, we do
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Speaker 3: that all the time. And sports is like an outlet
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Speaker 3: for people to like have a you know, hopefully a
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Speaker 3: healthy amount of hate. And I think Reality TV for
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Speaker 3: its fans offer that same outlet where like we're not
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Speaker 3: just rooting for for Meredith Marx, you know, sometimes we're
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Speaker 3: rooting against Brittany Bateman. Now I'm a Britney Bateman, Stan,
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Speaker 3: but you know what I'm saying, Like we you know,
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Speaker 3: we we pick our sides, and so when we are
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Speaker 3: giving our commentary about you know, various characters online, that
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Speaker 3: often comes with talking our shit for people who are like,
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Speaker 3: you know, don't talk shit about Lisa Barlowe. You know,
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Speaker 3: they're like, that's my queen. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: And I'm out there being like, well, you know, I
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Speaker 3: got something you have to say, you know, and that
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Speaker 3: is often met with, you know, feedback.
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Speaker 2: Listen. I'm fascinated by you because you are a straight
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Speaker 2: white male, you're married, you have a beautiful daughter, River,
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Speaker 2: but you understand housewives in a way that I haven't
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Speaker 2: heard from a straight guy talk to me about, Like,
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Speaker 2: how are you able to understand the complexities of housewives
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Speaker 2: the way you do a football game.
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you. I feel like when
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Speaker 3: especially Bravo World, they're very protective of their Bravo celebrities.
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Speaker 3: So it's been an initiation to just like when we
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Speaker 3: were like, hey, we're you know, we're gonna start talking
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Speaker 3: about Bravo, and I think that was met with a
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Speaker 3: lot of like oh really, you know, obviously I come
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Speaker 3: from the reality TV space being a part of like Batterination,
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Speaker 3: and just like I think they're all all realit. TV
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Speaker 3: isn't made the same, but there are all there are
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Speaker 3: a lot of similarities just how really TV is produced
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Speaker 3: and just kind of those inner working So I definitely
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Speaker 3: have a PhD in reality TV in general, and and
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Speaker 3: I think that's helped just relate to from a TV standpoint.
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Speaker 3: Ever since I've been a part of Batriination, I've had
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Speaker 3: an audience predominantly of women. I have six sisters. I
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Speaker 3: as someone who's as a straight male who's dated women,
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Speaker 3: have always tried to be someone who is willing to
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Speaker 3: learn and with the goal of being like a good partner.
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Speaker 3: And I've always just been fascinated with interpersonal relationships in
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Speaker 3: general as someone who like you know, has built part
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Speaker 3: of our show is just giving like relationship advice to
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Speaker 3: all people a lot. Again, with my audience being predominantly women,
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Speaker 3: I've learned from them as much as I hope they've
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Speaker 3: learned from me. And so again, like I also you
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Speaker 3: know not to go you know super deep. I think
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Speaker 3: you know clearly, we obviously live in a time where
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Speaker 3: identity is often talked about, you know, in terms of
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Speaker 3: like who we are. But I still I really think
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Speaker 3: as someone who as a straight white guy who's covered
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Speaker 3: really TV and has had an audience of women and
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Speaker 3: has learned from them as much as I have that
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Speaker 3: as people, we have way more similarities than we have differences.
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Speaker 3: You know, there are certainly differences that you know, we
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Speaker 3: all have. And so when it comes to interpersonal relationships
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Speaker 3: and the things that trigger us and how our egos
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Speaker 3: play a role in decisions that we make, humans will
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Speaker 3: human and I think, you know, not trying to I again,
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Speaker 3: so to that degree, I've often looked for the ways
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Speaker 3: I'm more similar with my audience or with like the
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Speaker 3: Bravo house with the Housewives. I've been activated before, I
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Speaker 3: have led with my ego. I have felt embarrassed, I
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Speaker 3: have felt humiliated. I have been prideful, you know, I,
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Speaker 3: you know, in all those things, and like that's ultimately
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Speaker 3: what we're breaking down with Housewives, and so I think,
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Speaker 3: I think all of that kind of goes into it.
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Speaker 3: And then you know, I also try to bring the
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Speaker 3: level of perspective that we're as the outsider, you know,
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Speaker 3: you know, as the person who like from you know,
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Speaker 3: from the male point of view, you know, which again
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Speaker 3: is part often criticized and critiqued, but like I also
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Speaker 3: think even for my you know, like our critics of
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Speaker 3: our show are number ones, you know, we love them
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Speaker 3: like without without them, you know, it's hard to have
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Speaker 3: a show, especially the type of show that we have, because,
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Speaker 3: like you, people like you know, they want they want
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Speaker 3: to listen because like I hope, I hope that we're
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Speaker 3: creating a community with a common shared interest in like
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Speaker 3: housewives and reality TV. And just like as a sports fan,
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Speaker 3: I am looking for takes not just to agree with,
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Speaker 3: but also to disagree with. I want to like I
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Speaker 3: want them to like make me think about well that's
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Speaker 3: an interesting point, or like, you know, just to to
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Speaker 3: care about things. I think we live in a world
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Speaker 3: where it's it's it's hard to care about things these days,
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Speaker 3: or are we're told to care about things that like
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Speaker 3: honestly are just so goddamn divisive that like reality TV
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Speaker 3: brings it it's like hopefully something that is fun, a
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Speaker 3: little messy, a little but ultimately like something that brings
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Speaker 3: us together.
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Speaker 2: No, I could not agree with you more. And I
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Speaker 2: think the reason why your podcast is such a huge
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Speaker 2: success is because you do have a voice in this
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Speaker 2: reality landscape. I mean, we always talk about the Housewives fandom,
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Speaker 2: but what I have learned Nick, is there is nothing
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Speaker 2: like the Bachelor Nation.
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Speaker 3: I think Bravo is its match for sure.
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Speaker 2: Who has the craziest fan base Bachelor Nation or Housewives?
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Speaker 3: I think I think both. And here's what I mean
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Speaker 3: by that is because like as okay, so as someone
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Speaker 3: who comes from Batchnation, Yeah, i was the villain on
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Speaker 3: my first at least first season, debatable on the second season.
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Speaker 3: But I've always been like controversial and this was before
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Speaker 3: I ever watched vander Pump or Housewives. And I was
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Speaker 3: controversial for interrupting or you know. I was controversial for
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Speaker 3: like not being there to make friends, you know, uh
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Speaker 3: where Jack's was controversial for fucking a stripper in Vegas
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Speaker 3: and gaslighting his friends and multiply and cheating, you know,
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Speaker 3: getting arrested and cheating on his partner. And so the
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Speaker 3: for me, it was like, wait, I started watching Bravo,
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Speaker 3: I was like, excuse me, what are they? What is
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Speaker 3: going on in this universe? And so just the level
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Speaker 3: of like just the things that people are doing and so,
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Speaker 3: which is why you could argue that Bravo Nation is
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Speaker 3: way more intense because they are they're sweating the small stuff,
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Speaker 3: you know, they're freaking out over just absolutely nothing, you know,
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Speaker 3: where you're just like, wait, how how is this? How
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Speaker 3: are people reacting to this? Because it's you know, it's
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Speaker 3: network television, it's ABC, Disney and so like they're they're
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Speaker 3: not really talk you know, like so and so I
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Speaker 3: think that it's it's creating because people. I think people
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Speaker 3: just want to they want drama on their lives. We
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Speaker 3: all say we don't want drama, and we all we
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Speaker 3: all do, and so I think Brava, I mean, I
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Speaker 3: think batter Nation, It's fan base is often looking for
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Speaker 3: things that it's not even there. They're you know, they're
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Speaker 3: blowing things out of proportion. They will see a scene
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Speaker 3: between two people and and then be so confidently convinced
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Speaker 3: that that person's gasoling this other person, where it's like
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Speaker 3: are you sure? Like are you are we watching the
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Speaker 3: same thing? Like maybe, but like you might be jumping
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Speaker 3: to conclusions where I think you have Bravo World where
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Speaker 3: you're you they in the best possible way, they're you know,
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Speaker 3: it's cable. They you know, they have a lot more leeway.
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Speaker 3: They're talking about some way more messier topics, and so
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Speaker 3: then you have other things that are more mundane, that
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Speaker 3: are kind of like swept under the rug. Right. But
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Speaker 3: that being said, I think the intensity is probably the
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Speaker 3: same both fan bases, you know, like like well, like
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Speaker 3: Love Island, right, Like Love Island right now number one,
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Speaker 3: it's the number one, right. And I was talking to
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Speaker 3: a former Bachelor producer and he was like, listen, like
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Speaker 3: is you know, because then that's when you have people
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Speaker 3: like stalking the talent, right finding old tweets. Look, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's like people will like bring up the you know,
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Speaker 3: something from like eight years ago. I'm like, where did
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Speaker 3: they find this stuff? And it would be like someone
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Speaker 3: who like I went to a party with this person
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Speaker 3: and I knew them and they're in the background of
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Speaker 3: the photo and they're you know, but like that just
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Speaker 3: speaks to how popular that that show is. Because the
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Speaker 3: larger the fan base there there are, they're crazy online
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Speaker 3: people everywhere, and so the larger the show, the more
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Speaker 3: popular the show, the more intense fan base becomes. And
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Speaker 3: so but to that point, I'm just saying, like you
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Speaker 3: know blog Bravo has its bloggers, they have their people
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Speaker 3: on Reddit, they have their people deep diving its cast members.
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Speaker 3: Bacher Nation has it as well. And at the height
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Speaker 3: of batternation. Yeah, it's just like they you know, they're
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Speaker 3: they're doing the background checks, you know, like you know,
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Speaker 3: to get on the show. You know, all these people
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Speaker 3: say they have background checks, and then and then all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, the fans get involved and they're like, no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: let's let's will we'll do the background checks and you
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Speaker 3: and you really know how popular a show is when
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Speaker 3: they're you know, I don't think it's that productive or
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Speaker 3: often right, but like when they're when they're deep diving
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Speaker 3: every little thing about their past and critiquing every little
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Speaker 3: thing and making you know, and breaking it down and
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Speaker 3: you know, and all those things. But I would say
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Speaker 3: equally intense, but just intense in different ways.
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Speaker 2: And that's the thing about you, because you have this
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Speaker 2: confidence and you are like this tall, attractive man you
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Speaker 2: clearly can probably you're married now, but I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 2: there's single days. There's never been a woman who was
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Speaker 2: like not interested in you.
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Speaker 3: Sure does that?
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a tall glass of water Natalie, you
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Speaker 2: did well, my girl. With that being said, you're one
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Speaker 2: of eleven children growing up in a Catholic household, you're
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Speaker 2: the second oldest. Correct, I'm one of ten kids?
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Speaker 3: Oh really?
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Speaker 2: Yes, no, so I get you. Listen, I'm the middle.
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Speaker 2: I'm number five out of ten. You're number two out
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Speaker 2: of eleven. I still felt that as a child growing
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Speaker 2: up in that big household, you always had to find
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Speaker 2: your place and your own identity outside of your siblings.
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Speaker 2: And it's not sort of coincidental that you and I
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Speaker 2: coming from big families, we sort of carved our own path.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to you earlier about this on the
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Speaker 2: drive here. I am so impressed with you because there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of bachelors who's done a season infamous times
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Speaker 2: you never hear from them again. And I think there's
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Speaker 2: something about you and I growing up in big families
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Speaker 2: to where when shit got tough, you had your siblings
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Speaker 2: humbling you and you.
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Speaker 3: Have to figure shit out.
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Speaker 2: And do you credit your childhood with the way you've
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Speaker 2: been able to even surpass your predecessors on Bachelor?
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Speaker 3: And you're very humble.
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Speaker 2: But I said this to you earlier, Nick, you have
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Speaker 2: really built this media empire.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I called it a media boutique. Yea,
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Speaker 3: I hope to We're growing, you know, I'm very proud
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Speaker 3: of how we've grown. You know, we just moved into
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Speaker 3: a brand new office space and a brand new studio,
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Speaker 3: which is very exciting for us. And the first office
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Speaker 3: space that like we rented was like I had. It
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Speaker 3: was like me and tular employees, and I was like,
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Speaker 3: I don't even know if we need this, but like sure,
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Speaker 3: you know, trying to like act the part. So it's
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Speaker 3: very exciting to like to grow. But like obviously we're
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Speaker 3: still very small and boutiquey. But yeah, I definitely think
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Speaker 3: my family upbringing played a role. Right Like we were.
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Speaker 3: My parents were very blue collar. I had amazing parents
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Speaker 3: in an amazing childhood, but like out of necessity, I saw
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Speaker 3: I always saw them worry about money. And I again,
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Speaker 3: I had a very privileged and great childhood relative to
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Speaker 3: like you know, the I guess so many people. But
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Speaker 3: like again, I always saw my parents worry about money. Uh.
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Speaker 3: They gave us everything we needed, but everything we wanted
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Speaker 3: we had to earn, you know, and so rip. But
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Speaker 3: our neighbor who recently just passed, like my first job
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Speaker 3: was in my I have a great my mom has
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Speaker 3: an amazing work ethic. I get my work ethic from
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Speaker 3: my mom. But my first job was being like seven
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Speaker 3: eight years old and our neighbors were tearing out their
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Speaker 3: old floor and I was just like with like a
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Speaker 3: thing like screw being the floor for like two bucks
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Speaker 3: an hour or like the next day at church, I
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Speaker 3: couldn't move my hands. But that was, you know, and
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Speaker 3: I remember they were like, you know, you can stop.
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Speaker 3: But like, you know, I've always had that, you know again,
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Speaker 3: like I wanted things, my parents couldn't afford it, and
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Speaker 3: so you know, the ability to earn was something that
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Speaker 3: like it allowed me to do things. So I think
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Speaker 3: maybe that was instilled in me early on, and then
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Speaker 3: like I guess like just you know, I've I've carried
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Speaker 3: that forward and you know, I do have you know,
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Speaker 3: I've been asked a lot recently in terms of like
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Speaker 3: what what I thinks has separated me from my peers
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Speaker 3: and allowed us, you know, me and my team to
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Speaker 3: have the success that we've had. But I think a
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Speaker 3: lot of people would would would roll their eyes about
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Speaker 3: people calling me humble. I have an immense amount of
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Speaker 3: confidence in myself, that is for sure, and that's not bad. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and but yeah, I mean I've given feedback to my peers,
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Speaker 3: various peers at time that wasn't i know, wasn't received
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Speaker 3: very well about like, don't be a reality TV diva.
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Speaker 3: Understand the difference between the access you have and the
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Speaker 3: credibility you have. And I've always said, like being on
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Speaker 3: reality TV as a reality TV star gives you almost
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Speaker 3: unlimited access in this in this town, which is infinitely invaluable.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes sense, but it's super valuable.
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Speaker 3: But it gives you no credibility.
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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.
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Speaker 3: You're a circus act to some people, but you're still
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Speaker 3: getting in rooms. And if you're getting in rooms with people,
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Speaker 3: you have a chance to build your own credibility because
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Speaker 3: like you're starting at the bottom, you know, like you know,
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Speaker 3: they have low expectations of you. They think you're probably
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Speaker 3: dumb and don't have the same whatever work ethic, but
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Speaker 3: whatever you do show them. Uh. And then if you
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Speaker 3: have humility and if you talk about if you ask
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Speaker 3: for help rather than for or you've asked for advice
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Speaker 3: or for help in terms of like guidance, but not
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Speaker 3: necessarily like a favor, or you don't come in with
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Speaker 3: an expectation of, Hey, I'm the lead of this show
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Speaker 3: and I'm a big deal in what acting jobs do
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Speaker 3: you have for me? I'm from the Midwest, and so
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Speaker 3: when I went on The Bachelor, even as like the villain,
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Speaker 3: everyone in my circle in the Midwest was like, you've
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Speaker 3: made it. You know, you were it. We're gonna you're
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Speaker 3: you're gonna be on this billboard, You're gonna be getting this,
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Speaker 3: and you're gonna be getting that. Because to them it
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Speaker 3: was like it was a huge deal. You know, for
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Speaker 3: three years, I was on ABC every Monday night, you know,
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Speaker 3: for various things. But it it you don't have any credibility.
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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of I think a lot
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Speaker 3: of people you know burn bridges and and and there's
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Speaker 3: a like sense of entitlement I think for some people.
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Speaker 3: And and I also like tried and failed at a
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Speaker 3: lot of things. You know, between coming off of Dancing
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Speaker 3: with Stars Dancing with the Stars, which is I think
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Speaker 3: you know you have you know, the Bachelor kind of trajectory.
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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you transition, get you hope, you
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Speaker 3: get dancing with the stars, and then it's kind of
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Speaker 3: like then things get real slow, real fast. And like
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Speaker 3: I said, I, you know, I there was a period
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Speaker 3: of time where I was on ABC every Monday night
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Speaker 3: for two plus years, which you you kind of take
20:40
Speaker 3: for granted at the time, and then all of a sudden,
20:42
Speaker 3: you're just you're done. You know. Then you might get
20:45
Speaker 3: an opportunity here, a stunt cast there, and and things
20:49
Speaker 3: like that, but things slow down real fast, and I
20:53
Speaker 3: you know, I had to figure it out, and I've
20:56
Speaker 3: you know, I did a lot of I did try to.
20:58
Speaker 3: I tried and failed at a lot of things, and
21:00
Speaker 3: I finally, yeah, I found my thing in podcasting. And
21:05
Speaker 3: I've I was lucky enough to you know, I was
21:08
Speaker 3: I was thirty three when I when I got on TV,
21:10
Speaker 3: so I had the benefit of having a decade long
21:15
Speaker 3: career in corporate America. And I just was like, so
21:18
Speaker 3: I knew what I was giving up in the sense
21:20
Speaker 3: that like, I didn't move to La to like party,
21:26
Speaker 3: and I didn't move to La to like I came
21:30
Speaker 3: here to work, you know, I was just trying to
21:31
Speaker 3: pivot my career and so with that said, you know
21:37
Speaker 3: I I you know, I always you know, coming from Corford, America,
21:41
Speaker 3: you have this kind of Monday through Friday mindset. Uh
21:44
Speaker 3: even like and there are a lot of days I
21:45
Speaker 3: just had nothing, nothing to do, you know, I was like,
21:48
Speaker 3: what do I do today? And you have this very
21:50
Speaker 3: like anxious feeling of being unproductive, and so there are
21:54
Speaker 3: still days I was like, I guess I'll I don't know,
21:57
Speaker 3: but I would go to the coffee shop and go
21:59
Speaker 3: to coffee, and like when I was in sales and
22:02
Speaker 3: i'd work from home. I tried to stay busy and
22:04
Speaker 3: be productive. And whether it was networking or whether I
22:06
Speaker 3: was taking improv classes or things like that, I just
22:09
Speaker 3: I tried to figure it out. And I think I
22:10
Speaker 3: just kind of I had that mindset that this is
22:13
Speaker 3: a job, rather than a mindset of like how how
22:17
Speaker 3: more famous I can be because I don't, I don't
22:21
Speaker 3: even like I I'd rather just have money and power
22:23
Speaker 3: and like you can take the fame.
22:25
Speaker 2: You don't like being famous.
22:27
Speaker 3: I'm aware of its advantages and I certainly appreciate the
22:30
Speaker 3: things that come with it, but it's a headache. I mean, Ben,
22:34
Speaker 3: I think Ben Affleck was recently interviewed, and I forget
22:36
Speaker 3: where about something like this. The money's great, access is great,
22:41
Speaker 3: you know, but the the what does fame really gets you?
22:44
Speaker 3: It's a headache, you know, Like other than like you're
22:47
Speaker 3: filling your ego of importance and things like that, it's
22:49
Speaker 3: there's it brings unnecessary attention. And I at the stage
22:55
Speaker 3: of my life where I am trying to make my
22:57
Speaker 3: world smaller and my my you know, my family, my
23:01
Speaker 3: immediate family, my wife, my daughter, We're trying to grow
23:03
Speaker 3: our family obviously, my extended family, my siblings, my friends.
23:08
Speaker 3: Like I only care about that. I'm I'm almost completely offline,
23:14
Speaker 3: you know. I'm lucky enough to have people post for me.
23:20
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm eighty five percent offline, you know, but
23:23
Speaker 3: like sports and stuff, but like, yeah, I'm just tunnel vision.
23:26
Speaker 3: Like creatively, I don't. I used to like look at
23:30
Speaker 3: charts and I used to look at numbers. I'm lucky
23:32
Speaker 3: enough to have people do that for me. I'm only
23:34
Speaker 3: thinking about the future. I don't like I you know,
23:37
Speaker 3: if someone if if we're heading the wrong direction from
23:40
Speaker 3: a show standpoint, I have people to like let me know.
23:42
Speaker 3: But for the most part, I'm only focused on like
23:45
Speaker 3: making the next show, growing the show, and like again,
23:50
Speaker 3: like I'm very focused on like where my energy is going,
23:52
Speaker 3: you know, And so our energy is not intangible. It
23:57
Speaker 3: is not like what you think about matter, if you're
24:00
Speaker 3: thinking about whatever, I don't know, Like as fun as
24:03
Speaker 3: this is to think about housewives, like, you know, I'm
24:05
Speaker 3: lucky enough that I can think about housewives and it's
24:07
Speaker 3: a part of my business, you know, But if I am,
24:10
Speaker 3: if I am thinking about, for example, a criticism I
24:14
Speaker 3: might receive from a fan or an audience member, that
24:18
Speaker 3: ultimately is just criticism, right maybe not you not you know,
24:21
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything wrong other than like said something
24:23
Speaker 3: that upsets someone, and and they have the right to
24:27
Speaker 3: feel the way they feel. It serves me. It doesn't
24:31
Speaker 3: serve me to dwell on that, to focus on that,
24:34
Speaker 3: to get people to like me. That's not my responsibility.
24:39
Speaker 3: It is not my job. It's I have to take
24:43
Speaker 3: care of my people. I have employees to you know,
24:47
Speaker 3: try to mentor or and be a good boss to them,
24:49
Speaker 3: and family members to be a good family member and
24:51
Speaker 3: friends and be a good friends. Like I am not
24:53
Speaker 3: trying to be likable to my audience.
24:59
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I want to get back to, like
25:03
Speaker 2: you said, you were once considered this villain, this controversial
25:06
Speaker 2: figure when you enter the Bachelor landscape. I did an
25:13
Speaker 2: interview with Tiffany Pollard, who goes by New York and
25:16
Speaker 2: she's known for the flavor of Love, and I did
25:20
Speaker 2: an interview with her, and she said, I knew going
25:22
Speaker 2: in that I played up this character because it benefited me,
25:27
Speaker 2: and that's how it was able getty spin offs and
25:29
Speaker 2: be iconic and being a house of villains as of today.
25:33
Speaker 2: Was it methodical for you entering that space or did
25:38
Speaker 2: you unfortunately get on some people call the villain edit, Yeah,
25:41
Speaker 2: and you kind of just lean into it.
25:43
Speaker 3: It was definitely not methodical, and I certainly didn't lean
25:47
Speaker 3: into it because like, as much as like I just said,
25:49
Speaker 3: it's not my job to be liked, I want to
25:51
Speaker 3: be liked. I'd prefer to be liked. I've never enjoyed
25:55
Speaker 3: being the villain. And because like, because the way Bachelor
26:01
Speaker 3: Nation is, like I always say, like one thing I
26:05
Speaker 3: learned about that show is like it taught you that
26:07
Speaker 3: you're you can feel in love and not be in love.
26:10
Speaker 3: It's a manufactured world that manufactures feelings, but the feelings
26:13
Speaker 3: I felt in that moment were very real. And with
26:16
Speaker 3: that being said, it is I think it is emotionally
26:20
Speaker 3: hard for that universe because, like, from what I understand
26:25
Speaker 3: about like the different like the say Bravo World, in
26:28
Speaker 3: Bachelor World, Bachelor is the most one of the most authentic.
26:32
Speaker 3: It is incredibly stage, but it's in no way scripted,
26:37
Speaker 3: you know, in my stage, I mean, you know, it's
26:39
Speaker 3: a it's a stage atmosphere. Love is blind, you know, pods,
26:42
Speaker 3: that's a state, that's a controlled atmosphere. You know, so
26:45
Speaker 3: like they are. It's a literal science experiment of like
26:49
Speaker 3: these are the parameters in which you're falling in love,
26:51
Speaker 3: but like the conversations you want to have, like that's up,
26:54
Speaker 3: that's up to you. And so if you're in that
26:57
Speaker 3: environment and you are feeling these intense feelings, it sucks
27:02
Speaker 3: to be made the villain for something that feels authentic
27:05
Speaker 3: to you and you're leading with your heart and you're
27:09
Speaker 3: and you're doing and then have that be portrayed in
27:12
Speaker 3: a way that you were like, well that's first of all,
27:15
Speaker 3: that's not what happened. Second of all, like it sucks
27:18
Speaker 3: to have something that was so emotionally like meaningful to
27:21
Speaker 3: you be be you know, critiqued and torn apart rather
27:24
Speaker 3: than being like, hey, I'm just playing a character and
27:27
Speaker 3: like you know, and things like that. But I never
27:31
Speaker 3: cared enough to have it change me trying to be
27:37
Speaker 3: authentic because I just learned early on that like, they're
27:42
Speaker 3: gonna do what they want to do, and by day,
27:44
Speaker 3: I mean the networks, the people in the editing room,
27:47
Speaker 3: like they are they can you know, I still think
27:51
Speaker 3: more people in reality TV are made to look better
27:53
Speaker 3: than they are made to look worse, but no one
27:56
Speaker 3: acknowledges that, as we talked about on my show the
27:59
Speaker 3: other day. But every once in a while, someone gets
28:02
Speaker 3: a bad beat, someone takes it on the chin. You know,
28:05
Speaker 3: sometimes you are portraying in a way that feels unfair
28:10
Speaker 3: and there's nothing you can do about it, but the
28:12
Speaker 3: most thing you can do. And I think and that's
28:15
Speaker 3: why Bravo, like any reality TV star, if you have
28:18
Speaker 3: the benefit of being on multiple seasons, like if it's
28:21
Speaker 3: a one off, you know, there's only so much. You know,
28:24
Speaker 3: sometimes you take it on the chain and there's not
28:25
Speaker 3: much you can do, right, But if you're a housewife.
28:28
Speaker 3: If you've been a recurring character like I was for
28:30
Speaker 3: a period of time on Bachelor, if you can be authentic,
28:35
Speaker 3: you know people, you will find your fan base, you
28:38
Speaker 3: will find your lane. There will be people who say,
28:41
Speaker 3: you know what, I resonate with that person, I fuck
28:44
Speaker 3: with him or her. And you know, Ashley ian Connetti
28:47
Speaker 3: for Bachtriination, seems like she's gonna be a new housewife
28:50
Speaker 3: from Rhode Island, Okay, But like she is someone who
28:54
Speaker 3: like her first appearance on Bachelor, she was she had
28:58
Speaker 3: a big personality and she was goofy and a little eccentric,
29:02
Speaker 3: and she was met with because of Batterination, which is
29:04
Speaker 3: like they like their very prim and proper polite. You
29:08
Speaker 3: know that those are all the fan favorites season one.
29:11
Speaker 3: It's just like the unproblematic king or queens who are
29:14
Speaker 3: just like gentlemen and ladies and whatever. And Ashley was Ashley,
29:20
Speaker 3: and she got a lot of criticism season one, but
29:22
Speaker 3: she kept coming back and she was always the same Ashley,
29:25
Speaker 3: and so that was like, now I can trust that person,
29:28
Speaker 3: you know. And I think when when you see housewives
29:31
Speaker 3: be consistent with who they are, you know, we you'll
29:35
Speaker 3: it's not about Yeah you have, you'll have your critics.
29:38
Speaker 3: But it's like, and so many people, I will say
29:41
Speaker 3: in batter Nation, and I've said this to a handful
29:43
Speaker 3: of alumni, they make the mistake of expecting to be
29:48
Speaker 3: universally loved, you know, because a lot of them will
29:51
Speaker 3: go on our first season and be the overwhelming fan favorites.
29:55
Speaker 3: But like, and you can get you can that can
29:57
Speaker 3: happen in a one off situation. You know, for a
29:59
Speaker 3: one season you could be the fan favorite and it's
30:01
Speaker 3: hard to find criticism. But people are the people don't
30:07
Speaker 3: That gets boring. So when you go back, people are
30:09
Speaker 3: gonna be like, all right, what can we hate? You know,
30:14
Speaker 3: And it's just like and I think some people can
30:15
Speaker 3: handle that. And I think that's you know, to go
30:18
Speaker 3: on reality TV and expect to be universally loved is
30:21
Speaker 3: a little arrogant, you know, because because reality TV it's
30:25
Speaker 3: it's we are. The reason why it's so fun to
30:29
Speaker 3: watch is because we're all. It's it's like it's the
30:33
Speaker 3: Sex and the City. I'm Miranda, you know kind of thing.
30:36
Speaker 3: You're you're finding you're who am I? And who are
30:38
Speaker 3: the people who I am?
30:39
Speaker 2: Not?
30:40
Speaker 3: You know, and you want to protect the people you
30:42
Speaker 3: connect with, and you want to you know, kind of
30:46
Speaker 3: criticize the people you don't because sometimes the people you're
30:49
Speaker 3: watching on reality, like the people who hate me, you know,
30:53
Speaker 3: they don't know me, but I guarantee I remind them
30:56
Speaker 3: of someone they dated or fuck them over, and not
30:58
Speaker 3: that you know, not that I am that person, but
31:00
Speaker 3: they only have to see one moment of from something
31:04
Speaker 3: they see on TV or something they heard on my
31:06
Speaker 3: show to be like to be triggered, to be activated
31:09
Speaker 3: and be like, I don't know why it is about
31:11
Speaker 3: his face, but I fuck you. I do not fuck
31:13
Speaker 3: with him, you know. And it's not me. It's just
31:16
Speaker 3: someone that they can that I remind them of, you know.
31:19
Speaker 3: And so I've learned to accept that and not try
31:24
Speaker 3: to fight it.
31:27
Speaker 2: Well, no, I think it's the fact that you embrace
31:29
Speaker 2: it all and listen, you're humble to me in the
31:33
Speaker 2: sense of and this is coming from a producer who's
31:36
Speaker 2: done Housewives since two thousand and eight, so that's like
31:39
Speaker 2: going on, you know, more than seventeen years. And when
31:44
Speaker 2: former housewives are off the show and they try to
31:49
Speaker 2: dibble and dabble in other things, I always say to them,
31:52
Speaker 2: but you have to be consistent if you want to
31:54
Speaker 2: do something outside of that show. The viol Files is
31:59
Speaker 2: a humongous fucking hit. Dude, It's a huge podcast. It's no, no, no,
32:07
Speaker 2: it's huge. And the reason why I want to give
32:09
Speaker 2: you credit for the success of that nick is because
32:14
Speaker 2: I know so many reality starts with potential, but their
32:19
Speaker 2: lack of consistency derails them from ever being seen outside
32:24
Speaker 2: of anything than their previous effort. Your consistency of this
32:28
Speaker 2: podcast has made it arguably, you know, a top ten
32:32
Speaker 2: of podcasts that people love. You are able to get
32:36
Speaker 2: all the guests you want. I'm sure no one tells
32:38
Speaker 2: you no for real, but talk to me about the
32:41
Speaker 2: fact that the life after reality television is hard and
32:47
Speaker 2: you can fall in terms of being infamous.
32:50
Speaker 3: But dude, you were.
32:51
Speaker 2: Able to really be consistent, and I really want you
32:53
Speaker 2: to talk about the fact that it's not like somebody
32:56
Speaker 2: give you a podcasts and all of a sudden it's
32:58
Speaker 2: a hit. Like I was on hit show and he
33:01
Speaker 2: has a team.
33:03
Speaker 3: You have a team.
33:04
Speaker 2: This is a real business. This is a real fucking business,
33:08
Speaker 2: and it's all because you were able to reach your
33:11
Speaker 2: sales background being one of a loving children. You were
33:15
Speaker 2: able to say I got this opportunity. Other things failed,
33:17
Speaker 2: but at least I did it. But talk to me
33:20
Speaker 2: about the consistency. That really afforded you to say, like, dude,
33:25
Speaker 2: you have a fucking hit mainstream podcast as a former
33:30
Speaker 2: reality star.
33:32
Speaker 3: Thanks again for the compliment. I always say, like shavings
33:35
Speaker 3: make a pile. I learned that in my corporate days,
33:38
Speaker 3: but I really believe in it. Right. It's like you
33:41
Speaker 3: and you always have to play the long game. And
33:43
Speaker 3: that's something I think a lot of people in the
33:45
Speaker 3: reality TV space don't do or or understand. It's like,
33:52
Speaker 3: you know, you can't live and die by every success
33:55
Speaker 3: or failure. When you're high, you gotta like you gotta
33:58
Speaker 3: humble yourself and know it won't last. When you're low,
34:00
Speaker 3: you also have to like pick yourself up and know
34:03
Speaker 3: it won't last, and just again be be consistent. I
34:07
Speaker 3: also just like love what I do and I love
34:10
Speaker 3: it and I always like, you know, the confidence is
34:13
Speaker 3: like I've always liked. When I started the show, there
34:16
Speaker 3: was always a part of me that was like I
34:19
Speaker 3: deserve to be this, you know, like I not that
34:23
Speaker 3: I deserve, but this show deserves to be talked about
34:26
Speaker 3: with the biggest shows out there before it ever was.
34:29
Speaker 3: I just I always acted like it should and I
34:33
Speaker 3: still act like that. People definitely say no to us
34:40
Speaker 3: for various reasons, but like, you know, it's funny when
34:44
Speaker 3: my publicist is here with us, and if you heard
34:48
Speaker 3: my manager, I'm always bitching, like I act like this
34:51
Speaker 3: show as failing every day. Yeah, I asked my wife,
34:57
Speaker 3: like it's I am in a constant stay of panic
35:02
Speaker 3: about how this show is doing. And that's something I
35:04
Speaker 3: personally have to work on a little bit. But there,
35:06
Speaker 3: you know, and that is like just like managing my
35:09
Speaker 3: mental health and having that balance. But and I think
35:12
Speaker 3: that comes from like being one of eleven, that scarcity mindset,
35:16
Speaker 3: you know of like just like you know, and I'll
35:22
Speaker 3: go away, you know, like and but yeah, and I'm
35:25
Speaker 3: you know, my I'm always like my wife and I
35:27
Speaker 3: talk about that a lot, where it's just like we
35:29
Speaker 3: are very grateful of where we're at in our lives,
35:31
Speaker 3: but there's a recognition that it's it's not guaranteed in
35:34
Speaker 3: the future, and so like we want to keep working hard.
35:36
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, like listen, I'm lucky enough to
35:40
Speaker 3: do this for a living and so it's kind of like, well,
35:42
Speaker 3: let's see what we can build it, you know, And yeah,
35:48
Speaker 3: and I'm doing things I never imagined I would do,
35:51
Speaker 3: you know, And yeah, I don't know. It's just like
35:57
Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of fun and and it's it's
36:00
Speaker 3: cool to see and like more importantly, like now, it's
36:03
Speaker 3: just like at first, I was just trying to you know,
36:09
Speaker 3: you know, when you first start making money in this space,
36:11
Speaker 3: it's because I can get social like Instagram or whatever
36:14
Speaker 3: and things like that. And I was just like in
36:17
Speaker 3: times of change, but like you know, seven six, seven years,
36:21
Speaker 3: eight years ago, I was like this, this is, this
36:23
Speaker 3: is I'm not this is not going to be available
36:25
Speaker 3: for me in a while. You know. I didn't realize
36:28
Speaker 3: the influencer market would take off the way it did.
36:30
Speaker 3: But either way, I was always focused on assuming that
36:35
Speaker 3: my ability to make money off of Instagram was going
36:37
Speaker 3: to go away. And I certainly didn't want to rely
36:40
Speaker 3: on having to go in front of the camera as
36:43
Speaker 3: a reality TV starter survive. I was, you know, I
36:46
Speaker 3: didn't want to rely on that. So I was just
36:48
Speaker 3: always trying to figure out could I make something for
36:53
Speaker 3: myself in this space? Of entertainment that I could it
36:59
Speaker 3: could be my own. And so that was step one.
37:01
Speaker 3: It was just like I was trying not to have
37:04
Speaker 3: to go back to my old job. That was the
37:06
Speaker 3: only goal, Like build something that's sustainable so that you
37:11
Speaker 3: don't have to call up some people and be like, hey, man,
37:13
Speaker 3: like can I come back? You know? And and then
37:18
Speaker 3: once I accomplished that goal, it was more like, well,
37:22
Speaker 3: how big can it go? And now now I get
37:23
Speaker 3: to take care of my family and you know, and
37:25
Speaker 3: my parents and do some amazing things that I never
37:32
Speaker 3: would have imagined doing. And and now I've had. I
37:35
Speaker 3: have everything I possibly want, and now I'm just trying
37:37
Speaker 3: to maintain.
37:41
Speaker 2: Who's the one guess you want on your show, your
37:45
Speaker 2: dream guest?
37:47
Speaker 3: Well, if I say in reality, there's reality TV and
37:52
Speaker 3: there's non reality. Okay, So I've always said Lana del
37:56
Speaker 3: Rey in terms of I know she's a big fan
37:59
Speaker 3: of reality TV. If I her to be incredibly fascinating,
38:01
Speaker 3: I love her music, Harry Styles would I would be
38:08
Speaker 3: a big fan. I've always been a big fan of
38:11
Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds, and I've met him a few times, and
38:15
Speaker 3: I hope to have him on in the reality space.
38:22
Speaker 3: I really want I really honestly want Heather bro No,
38:26
Speaker 3: I've had Heather out de bro On, so I would
38:28
Speaker 3: have loved Heather Solake. Yeah. Oh only because well, when
38:34
Speaker 3: I Heather was supposed to come on, what happened. Heather's afraid.
38:37
Speaker 3: I Also, I think Heather's mad at me because I've
38:39
Speaker 3: had Monicon. They're they're fickle over there. When I first
38:45
Speaker 3: met Heather. When I first met Heather, it was at
38:47
Speaker 3: the time it was at the Variety like forty most
38:49
Speaker 3: powerful women in in in really TV and I I
38:53
Speaker 3: hadn't watched it like yet, and Heather approaches me and
38:58
Speaker 3: she's like, Nick, I need come on your show. I
39:00
Speaker 3: was like, great, my wife's like that it's fucking and
39:03
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, you know. And then I quickly was
39:07
Speaker 3: like oh I quickly and then and that's when I
39:11
Speaker 3: started watching quickly immediately became a fan of Salt, like
39:14
Speaker 3: it's so good. And then Heather kind of chickened out.
39:21
Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, I've learned how like you
39:24
Speaker 3: know when yeah, uh is she chickened out? Whatever I
39:28
Speaker 3: want to say it, I think she checked out. They
39:30
Speaker 3: do yeah, And and and since then she's been kind
39:34
Speaker 3: of just punting. And then we've had Monica on a
39:37
Speaker 3: couple of times, and listen, I don't know what's going
39:40
Speaker 3: on with that. I've met Monica. You know, I'm not
39:43
Speaker 3: saying she's my ride and or die of any means,
39:46
Speaker 3: and I'm not telling her my deepest, darkest secrets. But like,
39:50
Speaker 3: I don't think she seems alright to me. Ye, she's
39:55
Speaker 3: been pretty real and authentic, and I mean compared to
40:00
Speaker 3: I don't anyway, so, but I think there's a lot
40:02
Speaker 3: of sensitivity there. But I think I'm a huge fan
40:06
Speaker 3: of Heather as a housewife, and I think her I
40:10
Speaker 3: don't think she realizes her own potential, and I think
40:15
Speaker 3: she's probably one of the smartest of that group. And
40:20
Speaker 3: maybe this is all part of her calculation, But I
40:24
Speaker 3: think whenever she's ready to step up and be Queen Bee,
40:29
Speaker 3: she could be, you know, but right now she is
40:33
Speaker 3: She's just still willing to follow Lisa Barlow or Jenshaw
40:37
Speaker 3: even though Jen's in prison. And I think when Gina
40:43
Speaker 3: uh was like is it last season, talked about Heather
40:46
Speaker 3: was always like the girl in high school who wanted
40:48
Speaker 3: to be friends with like the popular girls. Like I
40:50
Speaker 3: was like, Oh my god, that makes so much sense.
40:55
Speaker 3: And I just think, you know, like he there's a
40:56
Speaker 3: really strong woman, and I find her to just I
41:00
Speaker 3: think she's funny and I think she's got a lot there.
41:05
Speaker 3: But I would love to have a conversation with her
41:07
Speaker 3: about her, like her, how she moves and and why
41:11
Speaker 3: she moves the way she does. So I think that
41:14
Speaker 3: would be a really fascinating conversation. So I hope, Heather,
41:19
Speaker 3: if you're out there, I mean she's I've I've I've
41:22
Speaker 3: sent her a handful of texts.
41:25
Speaker 2: Does she respond to them?
41:26
Speaker 3: She sometimes does, you know, sometimes she says she's not
41:29
Speaker 3: doing any press right now. Nick, you are so likable.
41:35
Speaker 2: I don't understand why people don't like you. You give
41:40
Speaker 2: me Ryan Reynolds, by the way, it's no surprise that
41:43
Speaker 2: you want him. You're like Ryan Reynolds esque to me.
41:47
Speaker 3: I would refer to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds on
41:50
Speaker 3: my Bachelor season, which, honestly, I'll take it's.
41:55
Speaker 1: I.
41:55
Speaker 3: I told him that when I first met him, and
41:58
Speaker 3: he reminded me that Walmart is an American brand with
42:02
Speaker 3: some great deals. I love it.
42:06
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of great deals, listen, dude, you made a
42:09
Speaker 2: deal with God. When you met your wife Natalie. I
42:14
Speaker 2: was able to meet her when I was on your podcast,
42:19
Speaker 2: and she is so sweet, so beautiful. I love the
42:23
Speaker 2: fact that she slid in your d MS, which I'm like,
42:28
Speaker 2: score for you. But I want to ask you this
42:31
Speaker 2: because listen, I'm sure she wasn't the first to do that.
42:36
Speaker 2: When that happened, where you sort of like like, what
42:39
Speaker 2: made you respond to it?
42:41
Speaker 3: Well, may respond to it? I mean I mean that listens.
42:45
Speaker 3: Instagram's a visual platform. You know, you know what I mean.
42:53
Speaker 3: But once once we met in person, wait, wait, wait,
42:58
Speaker 3: do you remember what she said to you? Yeah, she
43:00
Speaker 3: said you're unreal.
43:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the lifetime spoop of the Bachelor's show unreal.
43:06
Speaker 3: No, I don't think. I don't. I don't know. I
43:08
Speaker 3: don't think it was a pun, but you know it
43:10
Speaker 3: could have been. And you said, I don't, I don't
43:15
Speaker 3: remember specifically. I went and found a picture of her
43:19
Speaker 3: that she posted and replied to that with like a
43:21
Speaker 3: question of some kind. She was like walking on the beach,
43:27
Speaker 3: obviously in a bathing suit, and it was like, you know,
43:32
Speaker 3: like the short it's something about walking on water, and
43:34
Speaker 3: I like, are you Jesus or something or something stupid.
43:39
Speaker 3: It you know, when you're in the moment, it sounds charming,
43:43
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm listen, I'm I'm you know, I'm lucky
43:46
Speaker 3: in so many ways to have now as my partner.
43:49
Speaker 3: And I say partner not to be politically correct, but
43:52
Speaker 3: I say it because she's truly my partner. And that's
43:55
Speaker 3: something I definitely learned from my parents as as like
43:57
Speaker 3: they've always operated as a team even when raising their kids.
44:02
Speaker 3: Like for us, they were a united front, and we
44:06
Speaker 3: we were very much a team, whether it's parenting our daughter,
44:11
Speaker 3: holding each other accountable in our relationship. You know, I
44:16
Speaker 3: mean it sounds corny, but like she is. We spend
44:18
Speaker 3: all our time together. She's my best friend in that
44:20
Speaker 3: sense of like she's the person I run ideas by,
44:24
Speaker 3: you know, and she has she's got, I think, an
44:29
Speaker 3: incredible taste and a keen eye. And then also like
44:33
Speaker 3: she's one of the she's incredibly funny, and I think,
44:37
Speaker 3: you know when we you know, this show was three
44:41
Speaker 3: or some years in existence when I met her, and
44:43
Speaker 3: she was a surgical tech had she had her own thing,
44:46
Speaker 3: and at the time when I met her, I very
44:48
Speaker 3: much like loved that she had her own thing, and
44:51
Speaker 3: she was passionate about her own thing. And then like,
44:55
Speaker 3: you know, when we like went public and you know,
44:58
Speaker 3: she you know, it was like eventually when you're gonna
45:00
Speaker 3: have a girlfriend on the show, and then you know,
45:02
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I took a while. We took
45:04
Speaker 3: a while, and it happened, and then I was like,
45:06
Speaker 3: she's funny. You know, she's like she was kind of
45:08
Speaker 3: a natural. And then it wasn't. I don't remember like
45:14
Speaker 3: being like a I don't remember like having like a
45:20
Speaker 3: very specific thought about like or a pitch, but it
45:24
Speaker 3: kind of happened organically, and I was like, yeah, you know,
45:28
Speaker 3: like I've always been a male host with an audience
45:30
Speaker 3: of women. We've always had women voices on this show.
45:34
Speaker 3: Most of our guests are predominantly women. But I was like, she,
45:40
Speaker 3: you know, I always felt like she was like I
45:43
Speaker 3: think I when I as more she came on, I
45:45
Speaker 3: felt like, you know, you really you're kind of the
45:47
Speaker 3: missing piece of this show in a sense. And we
45:51
Speaker 3: started doing the going deeper episodes, and again, I think
45:55
Speaker 3: I've put a lot of effort as an interviewer and
45:58
Speaker 3: as a host understanding who my audiences understanding that as
46:03
Speaker 3: a straight white male, I have to be self aware
46:09
Speaker 3: about the topics we cover and the questions I ask
46:13
Speaker 3: and things like that. And I I think I do
46:15
Speaker 3: a good job of handling those topics and having the
46:18
Speaker 3: appropriate amount of empathy. But having my wife by my
46:22
Speaker 3: side as a woman who has her own lived experiences
46:28
Speaker 3: and in adversity she's had to overcome. Yeah, I mean
46:33
Speaker 3: it rounds out, you know, some of those conversations in
46:35
Speaker 3: the best possible way. And again, I think she's hilarious
46:38
Speaker 3: and she's a lot of fun and and yeah, to me,
46:43
Speaker 3: I I always say like she's the star of of
46:45
Speaker 3: of the show. She's the star of our relationship. I
46:49
Speaker 3: work really hard and I know enough to be dangerous,
46:53
Speaker 3: but like she is effortless in her talents and she's
46:57
Speaker 3: she's like she's a great partner both in life and
46:59
Speaker 3: on the show. Know I mean, there're a Kleenex.
47:03
Speaker 2: So that was so kind.
47:05
Speaker 3: Oh it's all true.
47:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean, it's the it's the fact that
47:09
Speaker 2: you're able to emote in that way because you know,
47:14
Speaker 2: it's it's it's nice to hear a husband speak of
47:19
Speaker 2: his wife in that way. So I find that to be.
47:24
Speaker 3: I think it's well, thank you, and uh, I think
47:27
Speaker 3: it's really important. As someone who like talks about relationships,
47:30
Speaker 3: I think it's really important for couples to protect their
47:34
Speaker 3: relationship to I mean, I I'll have blown out like now,
47:38
Speaker 3: and I will be out with other people and couples
47:40
Speaker 3: where it's like the way they will bicker in front
47:43
Speaker 3: of us or other people, you know, like I always
47:49
Speaker 3: you know, we now like that we work hard on
47:52
Speaker 3: our relationship and like every relationship, you know, like we
47:55
Speaker 3: work through issues and we work through things. But we
47:58
Speaker 3: very much when I'm great, like, we protect our relationship,
48:01
Speaker 3: you know, and so we you know, we do couples therapy,
48:04
Speaker 3: we work through you know. And so I think it's important,
48:08
Speaker 3: especially for men to speak kindly publicly about their partners
48:15
Speaker 3: and advocate for their partners. And again, nothing I'm saying
48:19
Speaker 3: is nothing I don't believe about my wife. But I
48:24
Speaker 3: think it's very you know, it's just like you just
48:25
Speaker 3: see so many couples out there, like you know, you're like,
48:30
Speaker 3: oh my god, Chad. Yeah, it's just you see it
48:38
Speaker 3: in some of the BRAVA celebrities where it's just the
48:40
Speaker 3: way they throw their partners under the bus. It's like,
48:42
Speaker 3: oh my god, like like you know, it's just like, hey,
48:49
Speaker 3: you're willing to take the bullet for me today. You know,
48:51
Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god. You know, but yeah, and
48:55
Speaker 3: you know, I think you know, and you know, for
48:59
Speaker 3: all the it's the couples I think in reality TV
49:03
Speaker 3: who have been able to work. You know, I think
49:07
Speaker 3: probably the common threat is they've prioritized their relationships over
49:11
Speaker 3: their brand with their audience and play the long game
49:17
Speaker 3: and haven't sold anyone out for their own personal benefit.
49:22
Speaker 2: No, and I love that. I mean, listen, you two
49:23
Speaker 2: are now holes of eight Netflix dating series launching in
49:29
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, Age of Attraction, which is such a
49:33
Speaker 2: great vehicle for the two of you because you guys
49:35
Speaker 2: have an eighteen year age gap. So what better holes
49:38
Speaker 2: to really showcase that age is nothing but a number
49:41
Speaker 2: when it comes to fighting love. I want to talk
49:45
Speaker 2: about before I let you go, just about that show
49:49
Speaker 2: and how it sort of relates to your relationship because
49:54
Speaker 2: there was an eighteen year age people thinks like, all,
49:56
Speaker 2: that's so interesting.
49:57
Speaker 3: It's a show that focuses on age less dating, and
50:01
Speaker 3: I think the word age gap has over the you
50:03
Speaker 3: know kind of has this like negative connotation. I'm really
50:08
Speaker 3: excited for people to see it. We've heard you know,
50:10
Speaker 3: obviously we're there for filming it, but you don't know
50:13
Speaker 3: what you film and how it gets packaged. We've seen
50:15
Speaker 3: a little bit of it, and the feedback has been
50:20
Speaker 3: really exciting, and I think there's a lot of people
50:22
Speaker 3: involved in this project are very excited for its potential.
50:25
Speaker 3: But you know, well, I guess we'll see. I think,
50:29
Speaker 3: more importantly, I think it's meant to be aspirational and
50:32
Speaker 3: inspirational because we now live in a time where I
50:35
Speaker 3: think we've never been more lonely, you know, and all
50:38
Speaker 3: the single people out there, if you're listening, you're all
50:41
Speaker 3: nodding your heads about how difficult dating is. It is.
50:45
Speaker 3: Everyone feels like there's no good options out there. Obviously,
50:48
Speaker 3: dating apps have stopped really being our friends in terms
50:52
Speaker 3: of actually caring about us matching with people. And and
50:57
Speaker 3: I think this is a this is a show that's
50:59
Speaker 3: going to focus on compatibility, uh, and showing that there
51:04
Speaker 3: are if you are willing to open up your mind, Uh,
51:10
Speaker 3: there are people you can be incredibly compatible with that
51:12
Speaker 3: you might not initially think of, you know, off the
51:17
Speaker 3: bat and then obviously, you know, age plays a role
51:21
Speaker 3: in that. And so it's a show that's going to
51:24
Speaker 3: focus on love and and connections and and it's gonna
51:29
Speaker 3: hopefully inspire people who are struggling finding those connections that
51:35
Speaker 3: there are people out there. And whether it's age or
51:39
Speaker 3: we have so many self limiting beliefs when it comes
51:42
Speaker 3: to dating, or we we decide who our types are,
51:44
Speaker 3: or we have these superficial lists in our head of
51:48
Speaker 3: what they need to be. And that's often perpetuated by
51:51
Speaker 3: like dating apps, right, because like it's like you know six',
51:55
Speaker 3: two you know, finance you, know things like. That but
51:59
Speaker 3: it's it's compatible ability THAT i think what's what makes
52:02
Speaker 3: people really fall in love and stand the test of.
52:04
Speaker 3: Time you, know my wife AND i we have an
52:07
Speaker 3: age difference in our, relationship but without, question easily she's
52:12
Speaker 3: the Person i've been most compatible. With she's the person
52:14
Speaker 3: that is the first Relationship i've ever had where we didn't.
52:17
Speaker 3: Compete we actually we were each other's. Cheerleaders we, Love
52:22
Speaker 3: we spend all our time. Together we like a lot
52:24
Speaker 3: of the SAME tv shows and. Movies we like a
52:27
Speaker 3: lot of the same. Foods you, know everything is not
52:30
Speaker 3: a negotiation with. Us i've been in relationships where you think, like,
52:34
Speaker 3: well love will conquer all and every day is LIKE
52:39
Speaker 3: i don't want to eat, that and she's, like why
52:40
Speaker 3: DON'T i eat? That you, know and you're like every you,
52:42
Speaker 3: know and like, that that just gets. Exhausting like relationships
52:45
Speaker 3: are hard, enough and so like finding people that you
52:48
Speaker 3: are compatible, with that you have the same similar, interests
52:52
Speaker 3: that you share the same. Things you, know we might
52:55
Speaker 3: have an age difference in our, relationship BUT i quickly
52:59
Speaker 3: learned that WHEN i Met, noally she she was excited
53:02
Speaker 3: about like having a, family and AND i was, like, oh,
53:04
Speaker 3: well so AM, i you, know and and and that worked,
53:07
Speaker 3: out you, know and and so you, know she she
53:12
Speaker 3: had a very different child THAN i, had and but you,
53:15
Speaker 3: know in a childhood that like she she was doing
53:19
Speaker 3: a lot of the same things in her late teens
53:20
Speaker 3: and early twenties THAT i was doing in my you,
53:22
Speaker 3: know early, thirties you. Know and so at the time
53:25
Speaker 3: when we, met we were both ready to enter a
53:29
Speaker 3: stage of life that was. Compatible AND i think it's
53:32
Speaker 3: this is a show that was going to focus on
53:34
Speaker 3: looking for the people you're most compatible with and not
53:38
Speaker 3: getting bogged down by you, know what society might think
53:43
Speaker 3: or what your friends might. Think but if you truly
53:45
Speaker 3: can find someone that you enjoy spending time, with that
53:47
Speaker 3: makes you feel, good, uh and that you you, know
53:51
Speaker 3: fall in love, with AND i think there's a lot
53:53
Speaker 3: of hope AND i AND i AND i AND i
53:55
Speaker 3: think that's What age Of attraction is going to bring.
53:57
Speaker 3: People so what's next to?
53:58
Speaker 2: YOU i feel like you've done a lot Of it's,
54:00
Speaker 2: like what's next For?
54:01
Speaker 3: NICK i just want to enjoy WHAT i? Have you, know,
54:04
Speaker 3: OBVIOUSLY i MEAN i will always try to grow envy
54:08
Speaker 3: media in The Viole, files for. SURE i am trying
54:12
Speaker 3: to enjoy WHAT i. Have objectively, Speaking i've surpassed all
54:17
Speaker 3: my wildest, dreams both professionally and. Personally we certainly hope
54:23
Speaker 3: to grow our. Family so a lot of just more
54:29
Speaker 3: of WHAT i, have but also but also working out
54:32
Speaker 3: enjoying it because that's A i'm not good at. That. Yeah, Good,
54:38
Speaker 3: well look where can people feel?
54:39
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54:41
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54:42
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54:43
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54:44
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56:07
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