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Outlast - Part 4 · Replay Reviews

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We just had to jump right into this.
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We just finished watching Outlast.
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Kathy, how are you feeling?
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What is your immediate reaction?
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What?
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I'm like, not confused, but I'm like, what?
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It just like, what just happened?
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Uh, yeah.
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In shock, disbelief?
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Should we just get into the out of context summary and start going on this?
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We have to, let's do it.
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Outlast part four.
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Okay, in this episode, we find a romantic email that most likely led to an HR meeting.
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Father Martin is either a really good mechanic or a really bad one.
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And I don't think any of us will ever look at butterflies the same way ever again.
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Okay, scene one summary.
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Miles is chased as he retrieves his camera only to find himself in another run in with Chris Walker.
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We get some background on Wernicke's part in all of this and Father
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Martin makes a bold move.
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So we walk past this cell.
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It's this weird gate and we meet this guy and he goes like, only one way out, only one way.
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And you're wondering, is he a staff?
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Is he a patient?
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Is he trying to help him or is he just trying to lead him the wrong direction and get killed?
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I'm wondering, my gut is telling me he's one of Father Martin's people.
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Cause of just the only one way out, only one way.
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And I feel like he's sort of directing him, but at the same time, he also says,
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How do you know you're not a patient?
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Which we also heard someone else say last time.
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So is this just something that the patients are hearing regularly?
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Maybe it's part of the treatment and that's why multiple ones are repeating it.
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So are these just things planted in their brain?
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was a patient and they heard it many, many times during their
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therapy sessions.
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So after his run in with Chris Walker, Miles finds a document titled Billy's Dreams.
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And this is an email from some guy named Kurt about a conversation with Billy or William Hope
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is his full name.
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And Kurt writes, he says he's been talking to Dr. Wernicke again for his therapy in the white
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place.
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Kurt seems to think that this is a delusion and says, his dead doctor is a
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doctor friend is filling his head with more German folklore.
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Dr. Wernicke told him the only thing that can kill the Walrider are vampiric butterflies
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vomited from a demon.
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And these butterflies also partake in the consumption of nipple blood.
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So what is up with Germany?
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Are you guys okay?
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Why does so much of your folklore contain things that drink blood from nipples?
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Also, is it real?
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Is this real folklore?
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I need to know now.
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For any of our listeners out there who knows the answer, please respond.
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We need to know.
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Yeah, I have a list of questions.
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So the first one is, are we sure it's delusion?
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Is this white place really a place that exists or is he just lying about it?
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But I have a feeling that he's not delusional.
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And these are my notes at that time.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's interesting because it seems like that's something that we keep seeing
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different sides of is a lot of the patients are convinced that this is real.
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And it seems like Dr. Wernicke thinks this is real.
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But a lot of the documents written by staff members think people are delusional.
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In that document, they also talk about over a glass of wine.
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Let's talk some more with a smiley face.
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You have to wonder what kind of person can do this kind of job for that extended time frame
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and still be okay with having a glass of wine with a coworker.
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Like they either have no empathy or they really are able to compartmentalize their feelings.
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Kurt's shooting a shot.
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He's email flirting here.
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I mean, is this a great workplace romance that never was?
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I feel like we need a DLC or a spinoff game.
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Like, where were these two when everything went to chaos in Mount Massive?
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I want to think they're like in a supply closet, necking, and then all of a sudden, like, alarms go off.
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I need to know.
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I want to know what the story is with these two.
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All right.
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So Miles quickly finds another document titled The Spirit Breach.
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And it is a document translated from German from 1938.
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And it discusses concerns over Dr. Warnocky's morphogenic engine.
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The author writes, if I had not witnessed it myself, I would not believe it had happened.
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I believe Warnocky's method has breached the spiritual realm.
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Something crossed from the other side.
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It sounds like Warnocky created the morphogenic engine, right?
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This is where the Walrider came from.
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I don't know.
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Because that's the other thing is that even though we kind of already saw the Walrider,
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I still don't believe it is real.
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How do you use an engine and create something from nothing to actual matter?
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So I feel like this engine doesn't even work.
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And then also, so this person writes, if I had not witnessed it myself,
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I would not believe it had happened.
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So is this why Father Martin is so obsessed with having a witness?
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Because maybe he read this document or he experienced
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a similar feeling of if he hadn't seen it, he wouldn't believe it.
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And he wants the world to believe it, so he's having Miles be his witness.
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Is this why he's so obsessed with that, do you think?
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case because everyone else that he can have as witnesses
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are all people in there that aren't really going to go out to the world.
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And don't have a camera.
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There's a comment about cellular regeneration.
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And I'm wondering if that is why you have a lot of disfigured monsters
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and all those scary dudes with their donks out.
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Is that why a lot of their faces are so scarred up?
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Because they either were mutilated and then there's some cells that were regenerated.
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And then you have that Frankenstein's monster kind of look to it?
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Or is it because it's part of getting closer to the spiritual realm?
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Like you have to inflict pain on yourself first to get there?
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Yeah, it's a good question.
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And I don't know if it's a one size fits all because in part one,
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we found that document about Chris Walker and he was self-mutilating,
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removing skin from his forehead and stuff.
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So Father Martin sends a messenger to Miles, leading him to the theater where he sees a video.
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Let's listen to this audio from the video before we discuss it.
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The exit interview recorded December 27th, 1985 in Los Alamos, New Mexico.
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Clearance Sierra Alpha. Subject Dr. Rudolf Wernicke 14866.
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The films are real.
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There was no alteration to the footage at all? No trickery?
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None.
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In June of 1943, you recorded three instances of spontaneous bleeding.
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So during that time, half a dozen test subjects began to develop brain tumors?
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Yes. The autopsy revealed that the tumors were pure lead.
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It killed them?
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Can you explain why the results could not be reproduced in the United States?
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I have my theories.
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My homeland in those years.
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It's impossible to understand the things we felt,
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but we believed.
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The overwhelming fear, ecstatic rage and English birds are insufficient.
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More than hope.
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A human mind in that environment is capable of extraordinary things.
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You're saying the experiment needed...
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A proximity to death, to overwhelming madness.
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Only a test subject who had witnessed enough horror was capable of activating the engine.
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Do you believe your test subjects achieved something supernatural?
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No.
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Do you think that they contacted something supernatural?
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Nothing is supernatural.
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Then what was it? You said Project Wellrider was a gateway. A gateway to what?
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It's like, what is going on? That's a lot of information to take in.
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What it sounds like, and it's hard to put this into words, but it sounds like
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the results were achieved in Germany because of the state of mind of people.
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And so I don't know if that's referring to the patients, the subjects.
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So do you think that's why things have been going wrong here?
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Because they couldn't replicate that same state of mind?
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And that's why these experiments are resulting in a lot of messed up people and all this crap happening?
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Well, at the same time, when am I first just playing the devil's advocate?
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Is it not working? Because it doesn't exist, and these people are also just
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patients who escaped and are making this whole thing up.
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But then at the same time, we saw the Wellrider. Another thing,
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is from watching the video, I have a note just about needing to see horror in order to
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almost use that as the means to get there.
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Is that why people are inflicting harm on themselves that they need to witness enough
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horror, whether it's on someone else or on themselves?
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Is that why they're disfigured and it's so bloody down there?
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I'm wondering if they're purposely doing that.
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Just to get to see the Wellrider or summon him.
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So that's raised an interesting point because, yes, he says only a test subject who had witnessed
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enough horror was capable of activating the engine.
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And after this video ends, Miles takes a note.
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And it seems like whatever he saw in this video, he's still seeing in his brain.
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He says he sees like Rorschach tests.
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And he's been through a lot of things.
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And he's been through a lot in however many hours or days he's been in this building.
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So do you think he has witnessed enough horror to activate the engine?
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Do you think he is now basically a patient?
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Oh my gosh, I think you're right.
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Well, and I think we sort of discussed this last episode and we'll probably dig into it
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later in this one as well.
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But what is the point of the engine?
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And I don't know if we get any closer to that when the interviewer asks
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another question.
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He says, you said Project Wallrider was a gateway.
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A gateway to what?
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And then Warnocky doesn't respond.
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And in the last document we found, he said, I believe Warnocky's method has breached
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the spiritual realm, something crossed from the other side.
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So is it a gateway to like the spiritual realm?
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And is that what lets the Wallrider in?
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So then in that case, is the goal of the Morphogenic Engine to summon the Wallrider?
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And if so, why?
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It gets so confusing.
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So the note one, there's just one comment about how he feels or hears the buzzing.
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And is that the static that we're talking about?
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I think so.
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The static and the buzzing and then earlier when he was like hearing things,
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I think that's just all the same thing.
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It's just maybe getting worse now after seeing this video.
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So leaving the theater, Miles walks by a patient who hides in a locker and says,
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You have to find Warnocky.
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Only way.
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So is he dead or is he not?
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Seems like every person we run into, one of them says he's dead, one of them says he's alive.
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He also finds another document.
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There is flesh eating bacteria in the building.
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I actually thought that is this a side effect or maybe some kind of reverse engineering
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gone wrong where they're perhaps trying to get to the other side of the story?
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Or maybe they're trying to purposely introduce flesh eating bacteria just to see if the cell
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regeneration works.
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And maybe that it like escaped the lab or whatever.
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And that's why it's like widespread.
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But maybe in order to prove that they can do cellular regeneration, they had to start
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with getting rid of cells and what better way.
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That makes sense.
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And maybe that's what makes the patients look so disfigured.
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They have bacteria thrown on them and then cellular regeneration tested on them.
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I think that's it.
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I think you figured it out.
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I think so too.
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So Miles finds the key that was left for him behind the light in the theater, as the patient
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said, and then he has to walk back through the main room.
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There's a lot of cheekage in this part.
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The SDWDOs are back.
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Still, Dong's out.
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We've found him and we have to find another key.
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We should have been keeping track of how many keys does Miles need to find in each episode.
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Seriously.
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And it's ironic how Father Martin's like, come find me, but I'm going to keep hiding.
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Like, we're not playing hide and seek, dude.
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If you want me to find you, just stay right there and I'll come find you.
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While we're searching for this elusive key, Miles takes another note after seeing a patient
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knelt in a praying stance by a static television, and he writes, the static again, a patient
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knelt in prayer.
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Maybe he bought Father Martin's line of bullshit.
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Maybe he hears what I hear, but more clearly.
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Maybe it's his way out of this place.
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The priest called it the gospel of sand.
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So I don't know if this answers your question about the static at all or makes it any more clear.
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It doesn't, but okay.
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Did you have any notes on that note?
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No, I was just confused on who's controlling it all so they can all hear it or what did
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they do to train them all to be praying to the sound of the static.
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So here's my understanding as of now.
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The end of that video that Miles saw, you saw like the Rorschach type things, and I
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think that is what imprints in the patient's brains.
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And then they start hearing things and seeing things that resemble like static.
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So then when they see something staticky, like a television that just sort of like sparks
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it, or they're drawn to it in some way.
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And then out of that, Father Martin built this religion and called it the gospel of
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sand.
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And so now they're following that.
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Is sand the static then?
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I think so.
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Okay.
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So Miles continues on and sees many patients silently praying in their rooms.
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Father Martin has amassed quite the following here.
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I don't know if you have any notes on this section of the game.
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I have a comment about like the feeding to our Lord.
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So in that note, they're talking about needing to pretty much sacrifice themselves, which
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I don't know if I'm going to assume correctly, but I'm thinking that's the wall rider that
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they're trying to feed.
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It says that it has to use their blood and it kind of explains why it's so freaking
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bloody in this location.
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I'm assuming, but based off of what we see in just a couple of minutes, I'm pretty sure
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Father Martin wrote this note.
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And it also explains why he's, I mean, other than his enjoyment of finger painting, why
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he's so obsessed in writing with blood.
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He says, write your gospel in my flesh.
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He says, write your gospel in my flesh.
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Father Martin is an intense man.
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Throughout this area of the game, you can really tell the atmosphere has changed.
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We're not being chased.
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Everyone's calm, but it feels like right before a storm rolls in.
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You know what I mean?
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And soon we'll see why the atmosphere has changed as we enter the chapel Father Martin
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has been secured to a cross.
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And tell someone to light him on fire.
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What was your immediate reaction?
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You saw, I was just so in shock.
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I was like, what is going on?
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Why is he letting these people burn himself and tie him and who tied him?
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He willingly let them burn him to death.
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But before his demise, he's got something to say, Kathy.
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As miles enters, you can hear him saying to another follower, we will join the wall writer
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in just a moment.
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So is that what he thinks happens?
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Like when they die, they join the war, right?
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Or like, or is he thinking he'll get possessed?
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Because he also then at some point mentioned his freedom from death.
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So does he not think he's going to die here?
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He probably really does believe that he needs blood to feed the war writer.
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And it's probably the final step.
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Maybe he thinks that it's going to turn him into atoms so he can speak with the war writer.
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Not really sure what his line of thought is, especially thinking that he's going to
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take us?
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Dude, you're the only one being burned right now.
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How is this an us situation?
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I guess just to keep going, when Father Martin sees Miles, he says to him, you alone shall
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escape to tell them this is your penultimate act of witness.
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He's obsessed with having a witness.
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And I don't know if like we said earlier, it's because of when you see the war writer,
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you just need someone else to believe it.
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Or do you think Father Martin somehow got his connections to reach out to Miles and
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get Miles there to get Miles to do his witness and he can go back out and report it?
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So let's talk about why do we think he wants a witness?
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Is it to prove the existence of the war writer?
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Is it to show the outside world what's going on in this asylum?
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I feel like just because of the actions Father Martin has done to other people, he wants
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Miles there to help spread the word of the religion, not because he wants to spread the
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word of people being hurt here.
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So that is interesting because I mean, you can kind of tell he's, I think, referencing
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or pulling in some like Catholic influence into his fake religion.
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And I think that there is a witness in the biblical apocalypse.
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So that might also be why he is obsessed with it.
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But then he also displayed the key that Miles has been looking for.
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So this pretty much confirms that he has been giving Miles the runaround.
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He's just been yanking his chain, placing keys, probably locking doors so he has to
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go certain directions.
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He made him go here to witness this.
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He stopped him from escaping just so that he would film this moment.
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I feel like once you get to know him, though, this is normal behavior.
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Although he does say that he fixed the elevator.
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So did he?
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Does that slightly redeem him a little bit?
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I don't think it's him.
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I think it's his buddies there.
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His SDWDOs.
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But Miles does take a note after witnessing Father Martin's death.
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Did you have anything that you want to comment on that note?
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Yeah, he was willing to burn himself.
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Miles and I had the same reaction, like, what the ****?
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Yeah, pretty much.
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But I think this brings us to us so long for Father Martin.
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The guy I never trusted.
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The doughy priest, as Miles calls him.
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There's a reason why I didn't really trust him.
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I don't think he really redeems himself.
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If he wanted to redeem himself, he would apologize to Miles and say,
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let me walk you out and make sure he escapes.
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And instead of just going like, I fixed the elevator and the rest is up to you.
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Well, he also like considering how the SDWDOs, the two of them who are standing by the door,
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open the door and doesn't chase Miles, I feel like we can thank Father Martin
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for not telling these people to kill him or anything.
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Yeah, I mean, at the beginning of the game, they said,
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I think that they wanted to eat his tongue and liver.
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So I guess they don't want to do that anymore.
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So that's progress.
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But it seems like he could have had them escort Miles out of the building.
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So you're right about that.
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I will say, Father Martin is nothing if not committed.
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And even though he was stringing Miles along, he at least wasn't trying to kill him,
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which we can't say the same for a lot of characters in this game.
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Although based on a note Miles took, it does seem like he did kill somebody.
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I mean, overall, I think there's a lot worse running around in the asylum.
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And I do think a lot of the negative things he did were a result of mistreatment
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and or the effects of the morphogenic engine.
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So for me, I felt like I had to make a new category.
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I think it is neutral.
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That's one thing is that you can't judge him as a person without going through everything.
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Like, that's unfair.
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I landed on, I think he's a mother.
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It's just a different category.
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He's a misunderstood mother.
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My leaning similar thoughts, but it's a bit off.
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I feel like he's in the neutral because this man has whether or not he did all that crazy
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stuff to Miles.
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He went through a lot himself.
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He's not in the right mind frame to really be judged like that's we have to use the new
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category for him.
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It's not fair to judge them when they aren't sane to begin with.
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So I think he's in the neutral.
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I don't even think he's I just feel like he's unjudgeable in a way.
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Yeah, it's like his actions are mother category.
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Yeah, that's true.
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But the reasoning behind them is not.
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So long, Father Martin.
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Kathy didn't like you very much.
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I thought you were all right.
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I just couldn't trust you.
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After leaving the chapel, Miles is chased yet again by Chris Walker, but he eventually
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makes it to the elevator.
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When the elevator goes down farther than expected, Miles finds himself discovering the answers
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to many of our questions.
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Okay, first question.
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Father Martin said that he fixed the elevator.
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So do you think he's just really bad at fixing elevators?
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Or is he really good and he rigged it to go down all the way to the lab so that Miles
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would witness what's down there?
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Considering where we are at this point in time, I'm going to say that he didn't know
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there was that basement and he just set the elevator to go down and not realizing down
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means different when you have more than one floor.
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I think he only thought there's only going to be ground level and it was going to send
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you there.
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So you think he's just a really bad mechanic?
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I don't think he's a bad mechanic.
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I think he just didn't know all the facts.
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Yeah, the elevator goes down kind of far and it opens to a pretty stark contrast, environmentally
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speaking, to what we've seen so far.
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It's very clean.
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It's very white.
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And there's a symbol above the door that we've seen a few times, especially written in blood.
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But since we've seen this symbol painted in blood, can we assume Father Martin painted
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it?
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And if so, has he been down here to witness the symbol, to see this symbol?
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Or do you think the Walrider showed him or Warnocki showed him in dreams or something?
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I think it's also other patients who are down there.
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They all paint that like Father Martin probably taught a painting class there where you just
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like fight your own finger, use your paint, your blood as your paint and stuff.
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And then after entering the lobby for the project Walrider lab, I guess, Miles makes a note.
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So pretty much this note is Miles just telling people that if you find my body, just know it's
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Murkoff's fault.
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I'm not crazy.
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I know that's what crazy people say, but I'm not crazy.
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Trust me.
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I have a camera and there's evidence.
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So while exploring the lab, Miles comes across yet another document titled Variant Post Mortem.
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So the first thing I want to note is at the very start of the game, Miles comes across
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that soldier slash security guard.
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He's basically impaled in the library and he says that the variants got out.
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So are the variants the patients then?
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Is that confirmed here?
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What do you think?
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I feel like the way the game is going, it has to be.
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I can't see them explaining this in any other situation.
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So I'm going to say yes.
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Yeah, I mean, it seems like this document is an autopsy report for a Walrider patient.
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They're also mentioning human growth hormones.
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And this also explains why some of the SDWDOs and Chris Walker are just massive in size
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is probably because...
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Kathy.
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What?
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You can't talk about the scary dudes with dongs out and then say they're massive in size
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without me laughing.
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You can't do that to me.
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Oh gosh.
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If only they had...
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I don't know if Etsy has like plushies of SDWDOs.
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Oh God.
25:43
Might send you one.
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This is got way too inappropriate.
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I'm going to cut this out.
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I don't know why you're talking out.
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This is perfect.
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Anyways, so you have human growth hormones and this is why Chris Walker is so big in size.
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What now?
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I'm going to spit out my teeth.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'm sorry.
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It just might take me a minute.
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Okay, go for it.
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I'm going to spit back.
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In that report, they're talking about...
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I think you should be the one who's talking about this, not me.
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At this point, you need to be the one who talks about...
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What is it?
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BDE.
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What is that?
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Big dick energy.
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Oh no.
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I figured it out right after you.
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Why me?
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You're the one who's immature about this.
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Tell me it's not funny.
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I think your reaction is more funny the way you almost spit out your teeth when I'm telling
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you about massive size and dongs out.
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I think I'm ready.
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Okay.
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I think I'm good now.
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Okay.
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So in this document, they're talking about human growth hormones.
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And this explains why Chris Walken's is so big.
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And so...
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Chris Walken's.
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What's his name?
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Walker.
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Walker.
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You're just thinking of Christopher Walken.
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Oh brother.
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Okay, let's see.
27:39
Gotta do that again.
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You look crying.
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Attempt number seven.
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Here we go.
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This is like when in grade school, we were trying to give a presentation through sitting
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in front of me and you wouldn't make me laugh in front of the entire class, but no one could
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see you.
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Did I do that to you?
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Well, we did it to each other.
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Oh, okay.
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Then it was deserved.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, note six.
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So in this document, they also are mentioning how there's human growth hormones.
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And this explains why Chris Walker is pretty large in size and same with SCWTOs.
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I'm just gonna have to mute you, but I'm laughing too.
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I don't know if it's like easier if I like hide myself or if that's funnier or if I just
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need to keep a straight face.
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Like how do I help you?
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I don't want to have to edit this.
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So now I'm ready.
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Okay.
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Take 10.
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Take 10. So in note six, they're talking about human growth hormones.
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And this explains why Chris Walker is massive in size and same with all the SCWTOs why they're
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bigger than others.
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They do have really thick necks.
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I really wanted to pause before I said next, but I couldn't without laughing.
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Sorry, I had to keep going.
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Is that, I mean, were you going to say anything else or did you just want my response?
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Uh, no.
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Just wanting your response.
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I mean, yeah.
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Are they using that?
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Because it sounds like they're trying to create a, well, they say sentient independent swarm.
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So are the hormones just part of that equation in creating a swarm?
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I think that the reason why they wanted those growth hormones is probably to create an army
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that they can also use sleepwalking tricks to control them.
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So I think it goes with an almost like war weapons.
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But this person is clearly struggling with the morality of this project and they call it the
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far-flung theories of a senile Nazi.
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So that's confirmed.
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He was a Nazi.
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And it seems like this isn't necessarily 100% rooted in science.
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It seems like there is some aspect that's probably, I mean, from what we've read from
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the spiritual side that makes this project work.
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Anything else on that document?
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No.
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Wow, that took forever.
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Okay.
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I don't know if we need to make note of him seeing the morphogenic engine.
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You used to have been able to solve that, but you don't remember.
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What is it?
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Calculus?
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Mm-hmm.
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Derivatives.
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Don't remember at all anymore.
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So if anyone can solve that equation, hit us up.
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And show your work, please.
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In two different ways for full credit.
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Need proof.
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This is why I never made it to calculus.
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It's stupid.
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It's stupid.
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So Miles continues to explore this lab and is confronted by the Wall Rider.
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And as he runs away from it, he comes face to face with Chris Walker,
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who the Wall Rider just absolutely decimates.
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It's kind of a bit of a jump scare for me.
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I don't know why.
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It was kind of scary.
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Thank goodness I had Jake the alpaca.
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Once again, saves the day.
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He made his salary today.
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He earned his paycheck.
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Why do you think that the Wall Rider killed Chris Walker and then just left and didn't kill Miles?
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I think I know why, but it's going to spoil the ending.
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Okay, well we'll save it then.
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So long, Chris Walker.
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This is another hard one.
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I mean, he's clearly been altered by the morphogenic engine treatment,
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but he has also ripped a fair number of heads off of people's bodies.
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That does not bode well for his judgment in this category.
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But also after seeing Chris Walker die, Miles does take a note.
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And he says, you've escaped one hell, Chris Walker.
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God help me, but I somehow hope you didn't find another.
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That's the thing.
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You know, these patients are warped.
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They're not necessarily bad people.
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And I think Miles is understanding that.
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And even though he is terrified of this person who's been trying to tear him in two,
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he wants him to be at peace. And he even makes another note earlier in the game saying
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that maybe Chris Walker is trying to control this situation.
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And so I think this is another case of just someone being just warped and misunderstood.
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For me, Chris Walker is like the opposite of Father Martin.
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Instead of a misunderstood mother****, he's a misunderstood mother-respector.
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I feel that's a good way of putting it.
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It's not like he's the neutral mother**** where I believe he's the neutral mother****.
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I put Father Martin at, he kind of has some malicious intent,
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although he also really isn't in control of his body.
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So I feel like considering the circumstances, he could have done better,
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but he also could have done a whole lot worse.
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So in terms, he's a bit more on just like further away from being the neutral mother****
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territory, but not a true mother****.
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Yeah, I agree. He's been a constant source of terror for me playing this game.
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He's a good villain. Terrifying to hear him breathing behind you.
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Even though he's, I think, killed more people, I think he has better intentions than Father Martin.
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But Father Martin was just warped in a cult mindset though.
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Yeah.
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So like-
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Who knows if that lady had given him his finger paint, maybe none of this would have happened.
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Right? Right?
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She's the real villain.
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In a way, I feel like they should be both lumped into the same category,
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just because of all the things they've been through.
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I think Miles is right. I think he was trying to contain the situation.
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That makes me think mother-respector.
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I'll take it. I agree.
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Well, we then get a very big question answered.
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We stumble upon a certain Dr. Wernicke, who is alive and in a wheelchair, sealed behind a special door.
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This guy's asking for a lot. Who does he think he is?
34:02
Giving orders to Miles? If you wanted to do it, you'd do it yourself.
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Well, it's interesting because, well, first of all, he says that he's older than Sin,
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and that he is somehow alive because of Billy.
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And it sounds like Billy considers him like a father.
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And he loves him.
34:19
So you would think that Wernicke could leave this room and go kill him,
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because it seems like Billy is controlling things.
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Is he controlling the Walrider?
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Or is the Walrider just feeding off of him somehow?
34:37
If he is controlling the Walrider, you'd think that he would not let it kill Dr. Wernicke.
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So I think that's our big question, is why can't Dr. Wernicke do anything?
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But then, yeah, Dr. Wernicke asks Miles to kill Billy and says it's the only way to undo what he's done.
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So on his way to locate Billy, Miles comes across another document,
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and it's a memo from Dr. Wernicke warning workers not to worship the swarm.
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Did we see what happens if you do worship the swarm with Father Martin?
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Is that what happened to him?
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But do we even know what the swarm is?
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Nope. I don't think so. I don't know.
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I mean, is it the static? Is it the Walrider?
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Do you think the swarm is a swarm of butterflies?
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Those like vampire butterflies they're talking about that could destroy everything?
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Well, I don't know, because isn't that how you kill the Walrider?
35:30
I think the main question is just what is the swarm?
35:34
So we get to the main lab, and Billy's just floating in an orb watching TV.
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But also at the lab, you see like multiple pawns? Why are there multiple pawns?
35:46
Is it because they want multiple Billy's?
35:50
After Miles starts the process of shutting off Billy's life support,
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the Walrider chases him to another room where he finds the next document, permission to proceed.
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Did they kill Billy's mom?
36:04
It says that Billy is unaware of his mother's death from guide-like
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cardiac arrest.
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They guided her, probably her heart to beat versus not beat.
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And so I think they guided it to not beating.
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Yeah, to me, it sounds like they're probably responsible,
36:30
especially because I think she was trying to sue them or something.
36:35
But Warnocky says in this note that Billy has enormous potential.
36:40
So it sounds like maybe they killed her mom to persuade or to be able to have nothing
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preventing Billy from accepting this treatment.
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Witnessing horror. Maybe they did something to Billy's mom and made him watch it,
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so he would have that amount of horror that he's witnessed in order to be able to run the motor.
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Yeah, that's a good point because we know that they have to have witnessed
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extreme horror.
37:12
So then the Walrider catches up to Miles and attacks him, but again, doesn't kill him.
37:17
So each time Miles is turning off either the power source or following the instructions,
37:23
you hear screams going and you're wondering whose screams are those?
37:27
Is it just Billy or do you think it's a collective what?
37:33
Is it the swarm?
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Oh.
37:37
Because it seems too loud to be Billy because he's far away behind a glass tube in water.
37:43
I was thinking-
37:43
That's going to muffle noise significantly.
37:46
I was actually thinking it was everyone who was praying upstairs.
37:51
Interesting.
37:51
I mean, because the action of turning off a portion of the light support makes me think
37:57
it's affecting Billy, but it sounds like Billy is sort of the catalyst or even the battery
38:04
for the Walrider and whatever's happening.
38:07
So do you think it's the Walrider screaming?
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Is everyone connected to the Walrider and is that what the swarm is?
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Think so.
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I mean, I just don't know what the swarm is, so it's really hard for me to say.
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Yeah, it is hard to say, but it seems like for sure it has to do with Billy because it's
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his life support that's being shut off.
38:27
Speaking of, Miles completes the process of turning off Billy's life support and is attacked
38:32
again by the Walrider and this time it seems pretty clear that the Walrider has entered him,
38:38
possessed him.
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I mean, is that what you saw?
38:42
I didn't see it.
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I only saw that the Walrider just didn't completely rip Miles apart unlike everyone else.
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So are you even sure the Walrider is dead?
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I think Miles thinks it is.
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It seems like it.
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I mean, he says that he broke the connection between Billy and the Walrider.
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I think he says it's over and that he's free, but he's struggling a lot to walk towards
39:10
the exit and he is met by Dr. Warnocky and a bunch of armed guards.
39:16
He is shot many times, like a bit overkill, but as Miles falls you can hear Dr. Warnocky say,
39:24
And then the screen fades to black and we hear what we can assume is the Walrider killing all the guards.
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So is the Walrider possessing Miles?
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Is this so long to Miles?
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Like, what do you think is happening here?
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I don't think it's so long.
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Well, so long to Miles in human form.
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I was just in so much shock when I saw that.
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Like, you went through everything only to die in the end.
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I have like half a page of like post-Miles dying thoughts, but you should go and let me gather my wits.
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I mean, my only not really is just I love this ending.
40:15
I think it's fantastic.
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It leaves you with like enough information to think you know what happened,
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but also enough questions to keep you wondering.
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No, I don't like it.
40:30
Which is where the DLC will come in.
40:33
Yeah, I know you hate it.
40:34
I know.
40:35
You hate a lot of endings that I like.
40:37
I'm learning that very quickly.
40:38
Because I'm the type who wants all the loose ends tied happily ever after and you're like,
40:45
let's kill him off.
40:46
You have to have an impactful ending.
40:48
Otherwise, what's the point?
40:50
You could have impactful endings without freaking killing the protagonist.
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Is he dead though?
40:57
Human Miles died, but he's a host.
40:59
He the way it's screeching everything makes it sound like he is the new wall rider.
41:04
So Miles is dead, but his body's being controlled by the wall rider.
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Is that what we're thinking?
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No, I think he is the like the black stuff.
41:13
When the wall ride is getting you,
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you know what I'm saying?
41:15
I know what you're saying.
41:16
Same question though.
41:19
Is Miles like, is it just his body?
41:22
Is Miles's soul existence, is that over?
41:27
And the wall rider is just using his body?
41:29
Or does the wall rider need a living human?
41:32
Because we had to kill Billy to break the connection.
41:36
So does the wall rider need a living host for some reason?
41:40
And if so, if it's possessing him,
41:43
whatever you want to call it, can it protect him from death?
41:47
That's the thing though.
41:49
If he needs a living host, why isn't Miles locked up like Billy floating in that goo?
41:57
Why does Billy need to be in that situation in order to be the host?
42:01
But now, Miles doesn't need to be in that same situation.
42:05
I wonder, and this might actually answer the question of why did he not kill Miles
42:11
when he killed Chris Walker?
42:13
He knew he was the host.
42:13
And why did he not kill Miles when he attacked him?
42:17
He knew he had experienced enough horror to be a walking host.
42:21
So maybe Billy didn't experience enough horror to be sentient and be the host,
42:28
so he had to be in that fishbowl.
42:30
But maybe Miles is experienced through all of this.
42:33
Maybe that's enough horror for him to be a strong enough host for the wall rider
42:37
to feed off of while he's still sentient.
42:43
Is that what you were thinking?
42:44
What was your theory?
42:45
Ruthie My theory was that the wall rider already
42:48
knew and recognized Miles as his new host, and that's why he never kills Miles.
42:55
And every time we're fighting, I think he's just really trying to test how strong he is
43:01
if he is a potential new host.
43:04
Although I keep going back and forth about what does being a host mean?
43:08
Host as in that you're just going to feed off of his supply,
43:11
and then you guys are just like partners in crime?
43:15
Or is it that he, the wall rider, takes possession of Miles's body
43:19
and they continue to act on its own?
43:21
Or is it that Miles human form dies, but then his mind, his soul is now in the wall rider?
43:29
Ruthie Yeah, and that's where I'm confused,
43:31
because the way that when the wall rider attacks Miles after killing Billy, he holds him,
43:37
and then it looks like he fuses into him.
43:40
So it seems like what you would think of as a possession.
43:44
But Billy was the host before then, and the wall rider was just free-floating in his demon form.
43:51
So what's the difference?
43:52
What is the host?
43:53
Is it a mental thing?
43:55
Is it a spiritual thing?
43:56
Is it a physical thing?
43:57
Or does that change based on the spectrum of the amount of fear that you've experienced?
44:03
Is Miles just strong enough to be the ultimate host?
44:09
Bekkah So final thoughts on this is I am just really upset and angry that Miles went through
44:16
all that lost fingers, got all that evidence only for to just stay there.
44:21
Miles, why did she even listen to Renekii?
44:25
You know he's not a good guy.
44:28
After everything he went through, this is the outcome.
44:31
He's now stuck there for the rest of his life, or whatever life he has.
44:35
Bekkah Yeah, I mean, maybe he's just the necessary
44:40
sacrifice to sort of break the curse, if you will.
44:44
Did he free anyone or did he make it worse?
44:47
Miles Probably made it worse.
44:48
Bekkah Did you like it though?
44:51
Did you like the game, Kathy?
44:52
Kathy I think it's a good way to get me used to
44:57
horror games, but the ending just made me so upset that it took, like, it shouldn't have taken him
45:05
to do so much only for it to end like this.
45:07
Like, you know what I'm saying?
45:08
It's not proportional.
45:09
Bekkah You're gonna hate the second game.
45:11
Kathy Oh gosh.
45:12
Oh, why are you doing this to me?
45:13
Bekkah No, you'll like it.
45:16
Once we start talking about it, you'll like it.
45:18
Kathy Do you have any final thoughts?
45:21
Bekkah I don't.
45:22
Kathy I am really excited to keep playing this franchise with you.
45:28
I know you're angry, but I think it's because you're invested.
45:32
So I like to see that.
45:33
Bekkah It's close it out.
45:35
Perfect time.
45:35
It's close to midnight.
45:36
Kathy Alright.
45:37
Bekkah Well, we will be summarizing Outlast.
45:41
It'll probably be a shorter episode.
45:43
Did we get anything right?
45:45
Did we get anything wrong?
45:46
Did we miss anything?
45:47
Let us know.
45:48
Email us.
45:49
Message us on Instagram.
45:50
Bekkah That's it.
45:51
Kathy I think you should count us off.
45:52
Bekkah Okay.
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Voice recorder on one, three, two, one.