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Episode 754: Ryan Vail of Larcenia Roe on Their Debut Album "Extraction" - Death Metal Production, and More · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  At the end of the day, we want it to be digestible, we want
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  people to be able to like understand what we're doing.
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  A lot of mixes, a lot of bands that I got too much, too many
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  things going on. But at the end of the day, if
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  you have some really effective timings, really effective
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  caveman rifts, people are going to be happy.
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  What's up everybody, it's your boy Kifi.
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  I am back with another Ghost coman.com interview and I'm
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  super stoked today to be talking to Ryan of Lysenia Rowe.
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  How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic, Keith
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  excited to to be on get to talk about things I'm obsessed with
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  and I kind of put my brain on and try to, you know, share that
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  with somebody else that isn't my wife that's probably tired of
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  hearing it. So.
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  You know, every good, every musician, every band guy ever.
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  It's like The Who actually gets to hear all this stuff outside
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  of my band and my partner. So power to your wife and you.
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  We all can't do what we love, our passions, unless there's a
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  support system and a lot of people don't have one.
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  But just to get things going. Your new album Extraction is
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  coming out on Unique Leader Records in May.
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  The band has not been together very long.
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  So I think it's it's being sort of this like meteoric rise in a
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  way. I feel like this record is super
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  strong and I'm super pumped to talk to you all about it.
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  But let's get the, you know, superhero origin movie scene 1.
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  Where does this band begin? And from, you know, from how
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  basically. Yeah, yeah.
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  So, you know, for a few years, this is pre 2023 Henry Koster,
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  our guitarist, him and I were in a couple projects together and,
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  you know, grinded playing obscure places and, you know,
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  doing the local metal scene here in North Carolina for a while.
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  And we just kind of got, I don't know, we we were just kind of
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  ready to expand what we were doing and wanted to take over
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  full creative from marketing side, just writing a heavier
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  form of music where we felt like we weren't able to really
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  showcase our skills. And so in early 2023, we wrote
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  this song called unhinged, formulated a band name and
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  created a social media account. And we just started doing
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  marketing posts and people were like, what the heck is this
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  coming out released that song. It did really well right away.
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  We never really announced we were.
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  It's kind of like an anonymous type thing at first because it's
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  really just an experiment to see if we could kind of catch some
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  traction. Next thing you know, we released
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  another single, another single released an EP under a year.
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  Were Signs on tour doing all those things full band.
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  Everyone knows who we are. So, you know, within a short,
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  relatively short period of time, we were able to kind of kind of
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  just kind of lift ourselves to a place where we were now building
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  the foundation of the bursting era of Arsenio Row from, you
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  know, our horror imagery to our jump scare kind of on your toes
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  type music structure. We just kind of started
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  formulating this thing that started feeling a little unique,
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  but also felt like us a little strange, a little weird, a
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  little heavy. And so, yeah, we've been super
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  blessed with fans that are really supportive.
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  Kind of blew us away. So all of the thank you is to
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  them for sure. But coming out doing this new
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  album, we're definitely hoping that we can satisfy everyone's
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  kind of initial like, oh, this is awesome, but what are they
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  going to do for the full LP? So that's kind of where we are
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  now. We got to step up to the plate
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  and make sure that we're delivering for everyone.
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  Right on. Thanks for unpacking all that
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  for me. By the way, is Larcenia Roe a
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  place you can go to? Can you take me to it like Funky
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  Town? What is the significance of the
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  name if you feel like you can share?
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  It. Yeah.
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  So realistically, it's just a name I came up with, but it is a
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  play on larceny and Roe, which is like fish eggs.
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  One of the craziest. You know, we do a lot with
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  horror. So like, one of the most
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  horrific things I've ever seen was out out in the wild, you
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  know, like different predators trying to steal the eggs of of
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  other animals. Like, to me, that is like the
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  real estate form of horror ever. And so we kind of just created a
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  name that had, you know, some influences from that and it just
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  kind of rolled off the tongue and it looked interesting.
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  And yeah, it just kind of randomly came up with this.
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  Right on a proverbial fox in the hen house.
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  For real. And and I love all the horror
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  imagery and samples and stuff like that.
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  It really, it kind of reminds me of the early days of death
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  metal, but also grind core. And I think there's a really
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  cool, you know, technical aspect.
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  There's like great technical guitar playing and and type
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  production from you and Henry, but also as San Francisco, San
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  Francisco's behind me also. I love that.
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  Like there's just gnarly, brutal parts.
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  It's not just the vocals, there's just like very good.
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  It's not even breakdowns. It's just heavy grooving parts
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  that I like and I think it's almost maybe the most underrated
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  aspect of the band. Yeah, that's that's cool here
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  because our structure is to try to take something chaotic but
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  make it absorbable or, you know, palatable for for like obviously
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  we are making music for, you know, smaller niche of
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  listeners. But at the end of the day, we
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  wanted to be digestible. We want people to be able to
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  like understand what we're doing.
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  A lot of mixes, a lot of bands. I got too much, too many things
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  going on. But at the end of the day, if
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  you have some really effective timings, really effective
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  caveman rifts, people are going to be happy The the crowds going
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  to react. So yeah, it's honestly just our
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  our goal is to execute on simplified, simplified points
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  that I think every band does. But they tried a little too
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  much. They tried to do too much.
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  Well, you know, kind of that philosophy is like if it's a if
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  you have too much of a good thing, do say less and do less.
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  But also like if a band is very good at one thing, they lean
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  into it because they're good at it.
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  And I know that from my time in music and making music and not
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  just being a YouTube person but or a website journalist or
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  whatever. But yeah, man, I love how you
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  put songs together. I, I, I know you and Henry wrote
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  and produced the whole record basically.
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  So I love how you put stuff together.
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  Interestingly enough, you signed to Unique Leader.
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  And like I said, this has been a very fast come up for people
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  that are not familiar with. The band is formed just a few
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  years ago as we are in, you know, heading toward mid 2025
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  and your record comes out in May.
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  How did you get connected on with Unique Leader and on their
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  radar? I.
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  I think, well, they reached out to us just they just want to
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  have a conversation just to kind of fill us out.
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  I think they caught wind of us from actually some other labels
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  that were friends with them and they were just discussing bands
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  from what I've heard. And we were just kind of popped
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  off, you know, off the radar. A lot of like reactors were
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  reacting to our music. So we had kind of that buzz
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  happening and I think they just caught window that sound and
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  they just wanted to discuss. I we actually, it's kind of
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  crazy. Basically when we first started
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  the band, we talked about, hey, like, you know, if this does
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  work, like if we did sign to a label, like who do you want to
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  sign with? And the only label we said was
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  unique later. And so we were, you know, when
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  the conversation came up, you know, we, we acted like, Oh
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  yeah, let's look at the let's look at the contract.
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  Let's look at it. We we were already sold, you
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  know, from the time they first reached out our way.
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  So for us, there's a no brainer. We think that they fit what
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  we're trying to do and I think we fit them in a strange way.
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  Traditionally they're very death metal oriented, so we are a
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  little bit more of a different dynamic, but I think they've
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  kind of taken a step and taking some death core bands and slam
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  and we kind of fit right in the middle of both of those.
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  And so I think that we bring a really cool flavor to the label.
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  The lineup is obviously so good right now.
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  Peeling fleshes and found magnets ours.
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  So for us, we were super, super excited and just felt like it
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  was Susan, no brainer. Yeah, This is not in any way of
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  paid endorsement. We do review a lot of unique
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  Leaders records here at Ghost Cult and I'm never bored with
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  their like there's no band that has come out on that label in
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  memory that I would like. Nah, they're all they very
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  selective. It should be you you.
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  I love the vibe you just presented there about just
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  coming with them. And I think it it's definitely a
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  mutual thing where their label benefits from having a little
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  more diverse bands now and breaking out of their kind of
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  own shell a little. And also for y'all, they get
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  right, they clearly get you and they are behind you.
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  And that's important for a young band that's still, you know,
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  kind of finding their footing in the bigger world. 100%.
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  And and peeling flesh is a good model because you see where
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  they're also growing, growing, growing and getting on people's
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  radar and getting bigger and bigger tours and some vests.
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  So like that's my hope for y'all also.
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  Yeah, no, we, we're huge fans of a lot of bands that are on the
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  label, like they're bands that we take influence from.
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  So it's it, it really does, you know, make us feel good.
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  And another point on that is they give us the freedom to, you
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  know, roll with our own creative as well.
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  And that was huge for us because we do kind of have this unique
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  thing going with our imagery and a lot of people don't really
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  understand what we're doing to this day.
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  And that's kind of how we want it.
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  So they are all always open to our thought, our creative.
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  So it gave us the ability to keep doing our thing and grow,
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  expand that. Right on before I delve into the
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  music a little bit more and a few things I love, you know, I
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  love that you Rep your home state in your hometown.
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  I love the South and I love Raleigh and and North Carolina
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  in general. I almost moved there 15 years
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  ago and it had a very vibrant death metal and black metal
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  scene specifically. And I haven't been back in a
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  while. Sorry to all my friends watching
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  this that no, I haven't been back in a while.
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  I'm not that great a friend, but I moved out West so I'm further
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  away now than when I was on on the East Coast.
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  But what's this scene like there that you came from?
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  Now I know I go back to like Volume 11, which is long gone.
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  I know there's still a handful of places to play, but like,
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  what's it like there now? So big, big, you know, like our
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  background before we started Arsenia is a lot of bands kind
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  of leaned toward a hardcore adjacent vibe.
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  Hardcores big thing about our buddy Dylan, he actually he's
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  actually our booking agent now and he is one of the kind of the
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  heart and soul of the hardcore scene in the Raleigh area.
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  He puts on Overcome Fest every year in the Greensboro area.
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  So a lot of the local bands that used to play at this place
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  called School Kid Records is like this little record shop.
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  And that's where all the kids would go fight each other and
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  depend, you know? And so he really built something
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  really cool there that expanded. And they no longer do shows
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  there anymore, probably for good reason.
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  But yeah, hardcore has been the big, big thing.
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  But there's some some really good deathcore coming up right
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  now. But you know, it's kind of
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  fizzled out a little bit in a sense compared to like some of
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  the older venues, like venues have changed a little bit.
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  There's upcoming venues. You see a lot of new things
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  coming up. I think like the post Covad era,
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  you have a lot of, you had a lot of DIY shows being put on and
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  now those DIY shows are, you know, those bands that we're
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  doing it are opening up their own venues now, which is really
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  cool. So you know, just learning kind
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  of, I'm not originally from Raleigh, I'm originally from New
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  England, but this is where we're all from is where we all kind of
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  originated. So we definitely wrapped that in
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  our music as well. So yeah, I'd say definitely
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  hardcore is kind of a vibe here for sure.
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  Right on. Where are you from in New
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  England? I'm from Maine.
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  Yeah, whereabouts? So I'm from like the western
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  foothills area, this little town called Bethel up and it's around
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  Sunday River Ski Mountain, so kind of the middle of nowhere.
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  But it's definitely a interesting way to grow up and
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  move down here. Back in 2019 and won't be moving
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  anytime. Yeah, I know the South is great.
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  I've, I've been through Maine quite a bit, including like the
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  No Man's Land by Sunday River where there's like no cell
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  service and a lot of bear and Gator jerky for sale for some
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  reason, like strange Cheerios and, and taxidermy shops, which
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  is where the Gator comes from because there's no Gators.
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  And, but Maine is gorgeous and I, and I have a lot of fond
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  memories. I, I lived in Boston for a long
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  time. As everyone knows.
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  That's why it's this. So I have a lot of fun and a lot
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  of strong love, fond memories and strong love for New England
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  as well. Some things you can't get down
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  South, but other things you have like cookout and sheets.
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  So like I want to go to those things.
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  I made a big. Difference.
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  Man, that was big. Difference.
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  Growing up it was 40 minutes to drive to a McDonald's and now I
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  got I got cooked out. Yeah, why would you go to fast
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  food, even Chick-fil-A? Meh.
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  Meh. I don't know why people lose
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  their shit over it. I'd much rather go to like a mom
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  and pop shack for a plate of BBQ then.
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  So here's a fun other thing. So like you wear your, you know,
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  the band's regionalness on their sleeve.
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  I think there's some references here people are not going to get
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  like Carolina crowd killer and Carrie ain't no Raleigh.
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  Have been to Carrie and I have friends that live in the area.
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  The only remarkable thing about Carrie is like the wing place,
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  the bar wing place, if it's still there, Carolina wing spot
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  or something. But yeah, those are some fun
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  references. Are there other like Easter eggs
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  on the record of of things from North Carolina people may not
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  know automatically? No, not, not Carolina based.
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  I will say kind of the whole name behind the carrying or
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  always thing. That song is actually kind of a
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  love song. It was just it was really funny
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  when you listen to it, you're wait a minute, what?
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  But when I first moved down here, my wife and I, we moved to
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  Carrie and just it was all right.
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  But then, you know, we grew our life and we ended up buying a
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  house in Raleigh married. So just kind of I was like a
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  little bit of like a little bit of a love story, you could say,
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  but the song super, you know, heavy.
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  And so most people would never guess that, but we really want
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  to kind of do something to honor the area.
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  Carolina crowd killer, you know, featured Dustin from Phil, who's
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  also Carolina native. So we wanted to kind of
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  represent we feel like we have like a cool little dynamic of a
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  small group of bands from the area that are doing something in
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  the extreme side of music. So we want to come out and kind
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  of take some claim to it as well.
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  We kind of wanted to say, hey, like we want to represent North
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  Carolina and we want people to get behind us.
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  So it's kind of kind of the approach to it.
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  But yeah, there's no other no other little Carolina Easter
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  eggs in there. But there's definitely some eggy
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  stuff in there. Edgy mess, right?
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  Yeah. We've interviewed filth and I
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  love them so much. They're so fun.
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  We talked to them last year. You have a couple of the other
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  features on the record, which I think is also a lot of fun,
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  brings a lot of flavor to the record.
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  You want to talk about those? Yeah, so we have Wandell from
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  Bulbadinia, so another label mate and a big fan of that band
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  for a very long time now. And so when it came to looking
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  for a feature, we want to do 1 with a band from the label that
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  we loved. And he was super easy to work
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  with. Very, very excited to, you know,
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  that that's one of my favorite songs to play live.
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  We've played it before it was released and the crowd always
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  loved it. So that was definitely a song
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  where it's just straight, just knuckle dragging in your face
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  type type song. So he was a great fit on that.
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  And then Alex Kohler, original vocalist, Chelsea Grin, kind of
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  self explained there. I took a lot of influence from
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  from Chelsea Grin and kind of formulating like my high vocals
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  kind of that early raw Chelsea Grin sound was something that
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  I've always kind of leaned into and related to.
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  So it's really cool to have him on the album and that song.
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  I'm very, very excited to see people's reaction to it when it
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  drops on the 16th. And right on.
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  Yeah, now it's a killer track. And Alex hasn't been doing that
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  many features in his new, you know, kind of this new era for
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  him. So I think this is really great.
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  It's a really great spot. And he's not been overexposed,
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  right? New music out, definitely, but
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  not too many side deal, you know, side jobs there.
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  So super cool. And yeah, I, I also got to give
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  a shout out to, again, I mentioned the production and the
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  guitars earlier and you mentioned the vocals, which I
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  think I like that they're kind of all over the map.
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  But I think like the important thing when you have kind of like
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  a very, you mentioned chaotic kind of sections is that the
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  drums don't get lost, right? Because in the chaos of the
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  music, drums still need to drive the track.
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  And I like the production on the drums on this record quite a bit
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  actually. Like some of the best this year
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  actually. So that's another nod to you and
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  and Henry and the fine work you guys did.
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  Yeah, no, that's, that's huge because the amount of time I
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  spent mixing those things, it was, I mean, it took us weeks
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  and weeks and weeks just to get the snare mixed correctly.
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  And kind of it is challenging. There's there's, you know, these
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  metal production Wizards that do all their things with all their
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  plugins and all that. And I'm big on trying to
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  simplify things. And so this is my first time
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  doing a full album mix and, you know, touching every instrument.
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  I've always done vocal production, but this is my first
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  time mixing it and I'm very kind of impressed.
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  Not well, yeah, I guess I'm impressed with myself a little
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  bit just based off of people's reaction.
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  I didn't. I was so worried that it just
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  sounded like dog shit. So when when people started
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  giving me compliments, I'm like, OK, And then I've been hearing
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  it quite a bit that people really like the production.
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  I think that was a big goal. Just jumping from our EP
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  Dereliction to the LP extraction was let's try to just elevate
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  what we were doing, make it cleaner, make it sound more
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  expensive. It wasn't more expensive.
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  We just got better I think. And we kind of just spent a
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  little bit more time on it and did some processes a little
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  different, but we still used our kind of not so ideal way of of
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  writing music. And it's what kind of gives us
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  our unique. Sound.
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  Is that just how you come together and bring in parts?
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  Are you talking about just overall your, you know, vision
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  for the band and the sound of the band?
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  Yeah. Well, so Henry, Henry
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  essentially will write most of the instrumental compositions,
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  sends it to me, I'll chop it up. And we do things just very
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  backwards compared to like what a traditional producer would do.
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  And so a lot of it is just like, we're going to do it our way
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  because it's whatever it takes to get the specific sound.
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  So some things like when we're going back and playing a live
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  show and we have to put together a click track for all of our off
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  time parts, like they are not perfectly synced in.
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  Like a lot of our music isn't perfectly on a grid.
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  And I like that. It's something that I actually
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  take pride in because everything is so cookie cutter these days.
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  Half of what producers are doing is just automated.
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  They're not actually physically touching each note and we're in
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  there literally touching everything essentially.
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  And it kind of just makes it so that it's unique to us, not, you
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  know, somebody else just can't come out and replicate it super
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  easily. But again, we're not doing
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  anything too, too crazy. We don't have a bunch of like
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  symphonic things. I do stuff on that realm too
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  with my other products. So we try to keep Garcinia
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  pretty straightforward and just kind of, yeah, I don't know.
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  It's not ideal though. We'd probably give give some
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  panic attacks to some actual producers if they're watching us
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  do things our way. Right on there we go unmute
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  myself. That's helpful.
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  Any thought that you might go on to produce other bands?
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  You're again, extraction sound and production absolutely 100%
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  not dog shit and you did great and like would you go on to
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  produce other bands? I think, I think it might be a
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  future in that for you guys. Yeah, I, I definitely would.
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  I'm really into kind of the mixing and mastering side.
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  I've, I'm big into songwriting as well.
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  Like I think technically there's going to be people that are out
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  there that are going to be able to work more efficiently.
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  I think that's the number one thing that I would have to just
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  improve on. And that'd be a whole new route
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  because I've never worked with other bands that I wasn't.
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  I'm fine rendering a song 103 times over and over again with
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  the smallest little change in one little second of the song.
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  So I'm fine doing that for myself.
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  But if I'm working with somebody else, I'd want to deliver just
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  very optimally. And so that that would be the
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  only hesitation, I think, because we do things a little
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  rough. But mixing, mastering, I think
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  it's definitely something that I'm open to exploring deeper
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  just because I I do enjoy it. And great answer.
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  I love how your brain works because I'm the same way in a
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  different sense. Just the last couple of
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  questions for you, man. You've been terrific and I'm
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  very grateful to Nikki from Breaking the Law, PR for putting
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  this together and Unique Leader for letting us have the promo
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  early to jam on it and get prepared to talk to you.
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  Obviously horror is a big theme in the band.
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  What is your favorite horror movie ever?
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  My favorite horror movie ever. It's kind of a tough, tough one
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  for me because I have I never have a favorite of anything, but
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  one movie that always stuck with me just based off of it's not
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  like initially scary, but the overall vibe, the the way that
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  they use sounds, the way they use camera work, sinister.
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  I just, I, I love the whole energy and like, it's not
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  necessarily scary, but it leaves you thinking after and the use
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  of just kind of like building up anticipation for something.
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  You hear that in our music. I use that as a direct influence
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  all the time, whether it's silence or just elongating
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  things. So yeah, that movie definitely,
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  definitely always stuck out. Good one, good one, and then any
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  genre. Is there a movie in 2025 you're
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  looking forward to that you haven't seen yet?
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  Something coming out soon? Could be any genre.
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  We'll be on the look of man, I honestly, it's been it's been
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  tough for me to even watch movies recently because I never
• 23:15
  go to the movie theater anymore. It's just like this weird thing.
• 23:19
  I always want to watch it at home, but I'd say definitely
• 23:22
  more into shows I think these days.
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  So I I just finished severance. I'm a huge Severance fan, but
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  I'd say, you know, I'm looking forward to The Last of Us, the
• 23:34
  new season that's coming out. But I'd say Black Mirror is
• 23:38
  probably the one that I'm kind of most interested in just
• 23:40
  because I like the the way the psychological side of things and
• 23:43
  the kind of twisted stories and all that.
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  So. Right on.
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  Severance and Black Mirror are on my list.
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  They're right in my wheelhouse of weird and and scary, so I
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  need to see those. Hey Ryan.
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  Ryan Vale, fantastic meeting you and talking to you today.
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  The brand new album from Lysania Row is coming out on May 16th
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  from Unique Leader Records. That's extraction, pre save,
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  pre-order, all the things web, all the links in the
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  description. Super nice meeting you and
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  picking your brain. I hope we get to do it in person
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  someday or we'll do it again not too long from now.
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  But yeah, thanks so much for hanging out with Ghost Coal
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  today. I appreciate you I.
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  Appreciate it Keith and anytime don't be a stranger hit me up
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  Hope to do it again.