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THE AFFECTS OF PORN ON MEN!? · Relatables

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  Speaker 1: Coming up on Relatables.
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  Speaker 2: I strongly believe that a man and a woman cannot
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  Speaker 2: be best friends. As toxic as this may sound, men
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  Speaker 2: really will only be friend in the best friend's sense
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  Speaker 2: a female because they want something more.
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  Speaker 3: I completely disagree. I think that's completely fine, and it
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  Speaker 3: all comes down to trust. In the end, it all
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  Speaker 3: comes down to trust. So maybe this is becoming a
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  Speaker 3: trust problem for you. I went to therapy for the
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  Speaker 3: first time. I've got a voice message of before and after.
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  Speaker 1: Overall feelings probably nerves seven out of ten and relatable.
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  Speaker 2: The Relatables podcast is hosted by myself, Jake Craig aka.
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  Speaker 1: Big d and my partner in crime, Oddie Clark. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: big m Yeah. The good thing about your one is
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  Speaker 1: it can allude to something else. Well, yours could be well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what could mine be? Big man? Jina, big muff? What
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? A muff is a vagina? Oh? I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a bit of a rude.
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  Speaker 3: I was just trying to hype you up man. Welcome
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  Speaker 3: back everybody too. This is the first proper episode.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first.
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  Speaker 2: Proper I mean not I mean stimulated.
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  Speaker 1: It's a proper episode, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: But for one of twenty twenty five, which I'm really
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  Speaker 3: excited to record.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know if this is your first
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  Speaker 2: time here. I guess it's a good place to start.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome. Yeah, welcome all the baddies.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome all the baddies. And if you're an existing baddie,
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  Speaker 2: we love you. Thanks for coming into twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: And New Year knew us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, new Year knew me. I hate that saying, but
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  Speaker 1: it actually is kind of a semi new relatable. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a fan of like New Year's resolutions. Really are you?
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  Speaker 2: In the past? I have been, but I found when
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  Speaker 2: people do a bunch, it's like I'm guilty as well
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  Speaker 2: if I do a bunch, I don't ever do one.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe after we do our first segment.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say you just agreed with me? Then you
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  Speaker 1: don't like resolutions? No, I don't. You said you do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like I agreed with you.
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  Speaker 1: We're agreeing too much, man. Yeah. Yeah, And that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do to start the New year is argue.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have We're going to try and attempt
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  Speaker 2: an argument, a stage argument.
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  Speaker 1: Because me and Jake agree too much stage. But not scripted, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Not scripted at all. This is all coming from our
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  Speaker 3: free will. Off the cuff, Yeah, off the cuff. Today's
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  Speaker 3: argument is going to be girls and guys can be
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  Speaker 3: best friends. How this is going to work is one
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  Speaker 3: of us is going to flip a coin and whoever
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  Speaker 3: wins gets to pick which side of the argument.
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  Speaker 1: They argue for.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and we all know where Jake and I stand
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  Speaker 3: on this. Yep, this is a hill we're willing to
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  Speaker 3: die on that girls and guys can't be emphasis on
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  Speaker 3: best best friends. They be friends with girls, but you
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  Speaker 3: can't be best you can't be friends.
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  Speaker 1: And we've never been proven wrong. Yeah not yet. I
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  Speaker 1: will say I read a dilemma that I chose not
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  Speaker 1: to bring to the episode that it may have proved
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  Speaker 1: us wrong.
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  Speaker 2: So you want to put a coin? Okay, Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: that's an argument. Should we just quickly state we're not
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  Speaker 2: don't shy away. Also, you can send us argument topics. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll think of them obviously. But if you have good
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  Speaker 2: if you want to hear us argue about something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, do it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So you want to call it on me ode?
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  Speaker 1: This is one with the king on it it's a
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  Speaker 1: new coin because we're part of the common we'll keep
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  Speaker 1: this one in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you call it in the air?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, heads, Oh it's tail. What do you want so
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  Speaker 1: I get to choose. I would like to argue that
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  Speaker 1: guys and girls cannot be best damn it, because that's
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  Speaker 1: what you actually believe.
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  Speaker 2: You can start Okay, okay, okay, I guess this is
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  Speaker 2: of us. No serious guys. We should have like ominous
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  Speaker 2: music of this because you'd.
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  Speaker 1: Like being a debater. We're gonna get good at this.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit of improv. Okay, ready, yeah, ready, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I strongly believe that a man and a woman cannot
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  Speaker 2: be best friends because I look at it as coming
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  Speaker 2: from a male. As toxic as this may sound, men
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  Speaker 2: really will only be friend in the best friends sense
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  Speaker 2: a female because they want something more.
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  Speaker 3: Completely disagree, because is that? Are you sexualizing the relationship? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what I'm saying, men's sexualized relation. I think
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  Speaker 3: girls and guys can be best friends in a completely
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  Speaker 3: platonic situation where there is no sex involved.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is completely fine. Yeah yeah, well, how.
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  Speaker 2: Would you feel if each if the male and the
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  Speaker 2: female that are quote unquote best friends. We're both in
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  Speaker 2: a relationship heterosexually. So the guy was with a girl
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  Speaker 2: and the girl was with a guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's completely fine, and it all comes down
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  Speaker 3: to trust in the end.
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  Speaker 1: It all comes down to trust.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as the partner on the other side of those
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  Speaker 3: relationships of the best friends, they just have to trust
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  Speaker 3: that their partner will not dive into the sexual side
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  Speaker 3: of a relationship is just completely platonic as best friends. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: So maybe this is becoming a trust problem for you.
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  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to kindly and respectfully disagree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're respectful, and I would like fuck okay.
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  Speaker 2: So look the way I look at it is coming
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  Speaker 2: from where.
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  Speaker 1: I stand at it.
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  Speaker 2: Right of a man is quite often sexualizing a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I think a guy and a girl can be friends,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe they can be best friends while both single.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think personally in my own life experience, I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen it work out right. But I do feel
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  Speaker 2: as though once the male gets a girlfriend and maybe
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  Speaker 2: the female still single. As a respect thing for me,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how. I don't know if it's all
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  Speaker 2: that respectful to be spending a lot of time one
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  Speaker 2: on one with another female and vice versa. I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe if the female was to get a boyfriend, I could, like,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I'd fully understand if the boyfriend felt a
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  Speaker 2: little bit weird that she spent a lot of one
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  Speaker 2: on one time with the male. Because when you have
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  Speaker 2: a fight, who do you go to?
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  Speaker 1: Your best friend? True?
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  Speaker 2: Whenever thing, when stuff happens to do you go to
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  Speaker 2: your bestment?
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  Speaker 1: When you have sex with the first time, who do
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  Speaker 1: you go for?
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  Speaker 3: You?
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  Speaker 1: Your best friend? Like?
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  Speaker 2: And I think I could be thinking I could be
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  Speaker 2: stuck in the stone age, you know, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe that it could work.
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  Speaker 1: Are you saying that?
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  Speaker 3: When said because all relationships fight that if when the
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  Speaker 3: friend comes to the best friend of the opposite sex,
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  Speaker 3: they have an ulterior automotive in the back of their
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  Speaker 3: mind and they're always going to pick the best friend
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  Speaker 3: and they're thinking about how can I be the next
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  Speaker 3: relationship if they are best friends?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So I would like to point out that the
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  Speaker 2: reason I think I haven't pointed out for me, the
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  Speaker 2: main reason I do think that are going to go
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  Speaker 2: I can't be best friends is because one of them
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  Speaker 2: has an ulterior motive, right, And so in my argument's sake,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any argument if there's neither.
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  Speaker 1: If neither one of them have an ulterior motive, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have an argument for that.
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  Speaker 2: But my argument is that one of them always has
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  Speaker 2: an ulterior motive, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree that ninety nine percent. At the time,
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  Speaker 1: the guy normally has anterior automotive, and he's probably liked
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  Speaker 1: the girl for a couple of years. But that's beside
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  Speaker 1: the point.
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  Speaker 3: I think it all comes down to, I see where
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  Speaker 3: you're coming from. Yeah, and I think it works when
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  Speaker 3: the guy especially is a good guy, which for most
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  Speaker 3: of the time they're not, I think.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Agree with you completely, but to a certain extent, I
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  Speaker 3: think girls and guys the reason you think they can't
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  Speaker 3: be best friends is because men have ulterior automotives, and
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  Speaker 3: these men are trapped and are happy to play on
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  Speaker 3: the sidelines and wait for their chance. But it can
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  Speaker 3: work if guys were nicer, okay, and like they were
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  Speaker 3: men of their word.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I would like to say that we're speaking from
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  Speaker 2: male experience, right.
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  Speaker 1: We would like girls we know and.
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  Speaker 2: We know how men think, right, But who's to say.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's more common for a man to
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  Speaker 2: have an ulterior motive than the woman. But if the
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  Speaker 2: woman has an ulterior motive, I've heard little whispers in
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  Speaker 2: the air before that. Apparently females can also get quite
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  Speaker 2: feisty and not give a fuck about their gender, just
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  Speaker 2: like men won't give a fuck about the other dude.
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  Speaker 2: They will break girl code, just like guys will break
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  Speaker 2: guy code.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I.
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  Speaker 3: Think it is completely individualized, and I think I'm out.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm out. Let me hear you with one
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  Speaker 1: more thing, How confident would you be if you if
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  Speaker 1: we could sit down a guy best friend with one
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  Speaker 1: of those polygraph tests, not very confident.
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  Speaker 3: I'd have to know the guy. I'd have to actually
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  Speaker 3: know the guy and know he's a good bloke. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and know he didn't have lar automotives, and know if.
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  Speaker 1: You were putting money on it, I can't have given up.
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  Speaker 1: You see the guys looking at their girl best friend
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  Speaker 1: like they're in love. You see that they always do.
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  Speaker 3: You see that little eye flicker in their eye and
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  Speaker 3: they're like my best friends.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm out. That was a tough Actually it is
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  Speaker 1: hard to do.
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  Speaker 3: That was tough, but any guy anyway, guys, I think also,
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  Speaker 3: like Jake said, start sending any interesting arguments you guys
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  Speaker 3: would like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fun. I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: fully stand like I don't. I don't know if I'm
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  Speaker 2: willing to fully die on the hill where of like
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  Speaker 2: the avenue I.
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  Speaker 1: Was coming out, but I really was. I think you've
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  Speaker 1: got to see that. Also, one of us is going
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  Speaker 1: to have to be toxic. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the
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  Speaker 1: fun thing. Yeah, that's the fun side of it.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's playing on that it's not completely what we
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  Speaker 3: believe you trying to win the argument.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I will say is actually I
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  Speaker 2: reckon the hardest part will be being toxic.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we need to get better at. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna hard.
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  Speaker 3: But Jake, after that argument, we have a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a big announcement.
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  Speaker 2: Don't we We do.
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  Speaker 1: Jake has been a very very good co host and
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  Speaker 1: going out of his way to get a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a giveaway for you guys something to start your
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  Speaker 1: year off with a with a.
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  Speaker 3: Bang bang hidden within this episode, there will be one
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  Speaker 3: QR code that takes you to a Google doc where
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  Speaker 3: you can.
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  Speaker 2: Enter the giveaway to win two Gracy Abrams tickets for Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: All you have to do is firstly watch the episode
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  Speaker 1: There might be a few decoys. Jake, let's catch up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's catch up. It's been a while.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get into our catch up, I have an
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  Speaker 3: announcement for everyone listening. A congratulation. Here's a handshake man
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  Speaker 3: and shape and you know it's serious when I didn't
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  Speaker 3: pull away. Yeah, congratulations on.
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  Speaker 1: A whole year of sobriety.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no alcohol touched Jake's lips in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: four and he said that at the start of the year.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that was a New Years resolution.
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  Speaker 3: Was a resolution, and you did it and it's easier
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  Speaker 3: said than done. So congratulations, man, Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I'm it's funny you had the
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  Speaker 1: word sobriety makes it sound like I needed to.
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  Speaker 3: So I was thinking when I was bringing it up, like,
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  Speaker 3: but it is still sobriety is it is onred percent.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone comes from different reasons to why they don't want
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  Speaker 3: to touch alcohol, if it's abuse or if you just
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  Speaker 3: don't like it, or if.
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  Speaker 1: It's anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: So either way the word is it's a hard thing
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  Speaker 3: to do, especially with when we talk about peer pressure,
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  Speaker 3: friends going out everything like that. So it's so normalized
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  Speaker 3: in social settings. So congrats for that. How do you feel,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel good, the I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking to my dad because they moved to
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  Speaker 2: Queensland and I was up there with him and he
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  Speaker 2: was having a wine and I was having like a
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  Speaker 2: diet coke and it was in the same glass and zero.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually coke zero.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for the correction and.
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  Speaker 1: Big different and so sence, I know you.
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  Speaker 2: I had fizzing when I took a sip. The balls
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  Speaker 2: were hitting my nose and so he had his red
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  Speaker 2: wine and then he was joking around. He was like,
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  Speaker 2: I just got my coke zero here, and I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we should switch, And then he did. He asked me,
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  Speaker 2: he was like, oh, he's like, how'd you go this year?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, I was sweet.
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  Speaker 2: You so you didn't feel He's like, you didn't feel
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  Speaker 2: any any urge and I was like nah, And I
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  Speaker 2: kind of thought about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the reason is because when I.
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  Speaker 2: Was a cole years ago, obviously, like when we were
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: drinking most weekends, it was during that time, I would
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  Speaker 2: only drink on the weekends and just like same as you, like,
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  Speaker 2: we wouldn't drink through the week no, no, no, we wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: come home from work and have a drink to.
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  Speaker 1: Run special occasions if we wanted to party.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And like most weekends we just wanted to go party.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then like I think during the week, if I
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  Speaker 2: went out to like the pub for dinner, I would
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  Speaker 2: have had a beer, right, But I never got to
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  Speaker 2: a point where every day I'd come home and crack
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  Speaker 2: open a couple of beers, just like relax and wind
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  Speaker 2: down from work. And I think that might be the
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  Speaker 2: reason that I don't ever feel any sort of need
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  Speaker 2: to need to yeah, because I never got to the
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  Speaker 2: point where I used it to Relax were classified as
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  Speaker 2: bins drinkers.
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  Speaker 1: We only really drunk to other drunk.
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  Speaker 3: If we didn't really drink in the pub, would have
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  Speaker 3: the occasional beer, but that was like once a month,
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  Speaker 3: if that, which I think because I'm similar, I only
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  Speaker 3: drank three.
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  Speaker 1: Times last year. I think maybe twice Fred again on
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  Speaker 1: my birthday? No twice?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you're into balley, did you only drink once?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I only drink on my birthday? Well fuck yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: so you only drank twice and I only drink get
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  Speaker 1: fucked up? Yeah, like I did it.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't go out on New Year's but I went
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  Speaker 3: out on the second and saw someone at the Ivy
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney. Yeah, Sammy Virgie, which was actually really fun.
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  Speaker 1: I had a great time.
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  Speaker 2: So actually, last year you only drank once?
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  Speaker 1: No, no Fred again?
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  Speaker 2: And oh sorry, so the one you're talking about for second,
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  Speaker 2: you're counting in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so I'm already one for this year,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't see it. I didn't want to put
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  Speaker 3: too much pressure on myself because I've done the no drinking.
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  Speaker 1: Thing before too, and each to your own.
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  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you for doing that, but I also
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  Speaker 3: wanted to, like, if something pops up, I didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to have in the back of my mind, I feel
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  Speaker 3: guilty if I want to drunk at a festival or something,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, if I think that's cool, I want to
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  Speaker 3: go do it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if you want to do something, yeah, should
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  Speaker 1: be allowed to do it. Yeah, exactly, like if you
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  Speaker 1: want to eat a piece of cake.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I'm working out at the moment and I
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  Speaker 3: feel guilty, Like I've got a big diet plan. I
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  Speaker 3: feel guilty if I eat a bar chocolate. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 3: I put this pressure on myself, that's one of my problems.
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  Speaker 3: I feel guilty of doing something like that. So I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to put any pressure around drinking and partying
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  Speaker 3: because if something did up come up, I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: be like, yeah, let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also pointed not put pressure around it because
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  Speaker 2: you don't do it often. You know, you could take
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  Speaker 2: into account that you did it twice last year. It's
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  Speaker 2: like there would have been plenty of opportunities to do
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  Speaker 2: it more than twice.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, heaps.
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  Speaker 2: Like even I I like socially, you and I together,
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  Speaker 2: there was situations where we could have had a drink
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: and we didn't.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you didn't at the same time.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, We've have plenty of times where we can still
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: have any news resolutions. So I actually stuck to a
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: resolution last year, But did you get any this year?
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Sort of subconsciously, do you have any for this year
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: news resolutions? I want to get on the cover of
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Men's Health magazine Australia. Yeah, that's one of my things
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: actually sick. If you've seen my Instagram and TikTok, I've
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: got a little series go on doing that and I
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: actually want to get the most shredded I've ever been.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: That's one of my goals. Well you're pretty shredded right now.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm a month into like a twelve week
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: cut so see where I'm actually really enjoying it, like
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of getting addicted to it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: And then New Year's Resolution, there's a lot of.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Stuff podcasts wise, like the best podcast is I'm a
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: big man of things like that. Yeah, but nothing that
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: I went on our New Year's was actually me and
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: my girlfriend went down to the beach and wrote out goals,
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: not necessarily resolutions, goals for the twenty twenty five and
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: we wrote them down and then I've got them on
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: a piece of paper on my desk at home.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: What about you any resolutions? I was.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I went into it this year thinking like like I
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: was like, I hate the word resolution.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: How do I feel like resolution means like change yourself? Yeah,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: there's something problem with me.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I think for the past couple of years, we've definitely
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: leaned into it. Like the first episode of those years
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: was what's our resolutions? Yeah, it's a whole probably had
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: nothing to talk about, so we were like, I feel.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: About it resolution.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: There's so much pressure on like the start of the
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: year to being like I've got to be a better
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: version of myself. Yeah, And I think it's okay just
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: to step back and be like if you're just doing
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: fine beforehand and just chilling doing your thing, like you
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: don't need a resolution?
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're happy, why do you need to change?
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I So I've looked at it. I feel like we've
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: given advice before of like maybe we had a dilemma
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: or a question of like how do you how do
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I stay into the gym?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: How do I stay motivated in the gym? And I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: think I remember giving advice of being.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Like just don't don't set too many gym goals at once,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: you know, just like get in the habit of going
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: going there and walking on the treadmill for five minutes
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: a day just so you're actually going there, and then
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: like one of those days, you're just going to feel
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: like doing more. And so I got really like last
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: year for someone like I went to the gym. To
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: be fair, I guess if you look at the whole year,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I would have gone to the gym a lot, but
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: without any actual like proper motivation and that type of stuff.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And then I remember, I just remember, like when I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: first fell in love.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: With it, I fucking loved it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: You were so fucking my little ADHD brain just went hey, Yra,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and I just got so hyper focused on it and
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I missed that. And so I was talking to Beth
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I just want to I don't
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: want to set any goals, but I just want to
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: like love it again. And so my main goal, I
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: think resolution is just I don't want to be a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: certain look, I don't want to be a certain weight,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be able to lift a certain amount.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I just want to love it again. Oh that's actually
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a really healthy goal.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what I want to start doing is like
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: just start Like I remember, it used to be a
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: full part of my day where it was like a
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: non negotiable thing. But then to the back end of
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: last year, I could easily be like, I'll just edit
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: instead of go to the gym, because I feel like
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I'm doing something while I'm editing, and it's like, I'll
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: just do that instead.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: It's funny you've brought up motivation there. Yeah, so you
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: think you've lost motivation. I think I maybe.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I've been thinking a lot about motivation, especially at the
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: start of the year, and like you said, we got
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to ask a lot of questions, how do you stay motivated
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: in the gym? How to stay motivated with the podcast
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and everything around that.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about it. And I don't
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: particularly like the word motivation because I don't like any
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: words to say every word in the English station.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Actually, because I think it gets mislabeled because I don't
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: think any one person. I don't think you have less
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: motivation than me to go to the gym. I think
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: it gets mis labeled in a sense because motivation isn't anything.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: No, I guess it's just the word we use to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: say when someone's good at something like I'm so motivated
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: in the gym.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: But realistically, you just got to strip back what I've
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: talked about it before, systems in your life to go
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: to the gym and stay cons and make it easier
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: to go to the gym, like for me or for you,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: just go buy some pre work and out through record,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: go have a scoop, and then you got to go
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: put this today good stuff, like put the systems in
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: place to keep you, in quotes motivated, to make it
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: easier to do the things that you aren't motivated for.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Because I'm not motivated anymore than any person at post
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: videos or go to the gym or anything like that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I've just put the systems in place where I can
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: go easily.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah when I have to. Yeah, fucking good point. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, even stripping it back to like any the gym,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: any exercise, going to do cardio, Like you don't want
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: to do those things.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Like especially no cardio, especially I don't know how you've
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: been doing. It's I don't want to do those things.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I've set up systems like I go there and I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: have I have one lolly because I like this lolly.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, if I eat this lolly on the way
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: of the gym and then do my cardio. And I'm
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: addicted to this next Netflix series called mad Men. Oh
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that's right, yea you told me about It's like advertising
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: in the sixties, very weird show. I don't know how
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I got onto it, but yeah, it's good and I'm
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: enjoying going to the gym and war walking on the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: stairs and doing thirty minutes of stairs whilst watching this show.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I guess if you look at it, it's like you
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: would look at as like. So it's like, this is
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: my time where I get to binge of show guilt free.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I get to watch like three episodes.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get my lowry and then after I feel
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: really good and it's it's sort of like running high.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Like runners high.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: You feel so good after it because you like, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: accomplish something and did something I didn't want to do,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and there's growth in that. So rather than being motivator,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: is looking at it as something when you do something
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: you don't want to do, that's when you grow.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Yeah, So I don't know
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: what's the fucking do cardia?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: When you compare yourself to all these people on social
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: media and stuff, and they look good. They got to
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: the gym, they're doing cardia.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: They don't want to do that either, that'd be hard.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: They put the systems in place and they do it
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: because they feel like they have to, and then after
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: it they feel good.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think taking away motivations, taking away motivation.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Resolution word? What what a shit word? Yeah? What a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: ship word? Resolution out of motivation.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's just all about stripping back, having fun,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: putting the systems in place to do so, and just
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: enjoying it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Like talking about TV shows quickly start best And I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: started watching the show last night.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Card So you've watched them movie The Gentleman. Yeah, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: don't really like it, or you didn't like the movie
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: or shit, I rated the movie.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: But they made a TV show they did. Yeah, so
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the same director, it's on Netflix. They met, the same
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: director made a TV show. The only one season's out.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: And you know the guy that plays his name's Theo James.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: He plays as a young guy and gentlemen.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: No, no, none of the people in the movie are
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: in this. It's all new people. But the guy that
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: plays the main character is you know, have you watched Diversion?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah? All that guy. Yeah. As soon as we fucking
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: as soon as we turn the first yeah, She's like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: we should watch this, and I was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I like this. And then as soon as we turn
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it on and he's in the first scene, Beth goes yeah, and.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa want?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck you. And I'm also recovering from
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: two crazy spider interactions. Did you watch my steptat I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: said you last night? No, I said you were suppoted
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to go back to it right down, mate. Shit man,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I was about to go to bed. It was like
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: nine forty five, and then this spider came out of nowhere.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Really I was, so I was scared. Fuck I fool.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you about my two interactions after I watched this, say, okay, man,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: that's big.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I can't leave that one. Can't leave that one. Yeah, No,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that was bigger than my interactions.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: But so the two intractions I've had was Henry was
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: here and before bed, I was about to take him
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: for a piss. And you know, when you just come
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: out my door, you could go left down those stairs.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: So I never go down scared. It's actually I never
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: go down there, but to take Henry to piss. I've
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: been going down there because it's just I don't want
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to go all the way up to the top. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: so I was going down. There's no lights on, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I'm just like walking down the stairs slowly, Henry kind
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of pulling because he needs a piss. And then I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: go out to get my phone, turned my torch on.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: As I turn it on just in time.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: There's a spider hanging from a tree and I'm kid
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you not, it was like the matrix. I was like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and it got this fucking close to my face and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's pretty good. And I like fell
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: over and scrambled up the stairs.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Took him all the way up to the top, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, I was like shaking.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And then this morning and then this morning it fucking
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I take Beth to pilates. I took it to.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Plarties and then came home straight away. I was like,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I want to get home early. I'll take you to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: put pilates. We get in the car, We're going over
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the Gladesville Bridge. It was like a busy main road
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: in Sydney, right and I look over in one of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the fucking street lights because it's stillretty dark, shines in
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: my car and then there's just the.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Shadow of a fucking huntsman on the inside of my window.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Beth, this one of the inside.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: She's like, it's all good, just chill and just chill,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and it just starts walking. Oh.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I dropped her off and I sat outside for five
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: minutes trying to kill this thing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Talking about crazy like animal insect encounters. I had a
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: wasp in my car the other day.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: What I want to come over here, come in with
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: what we're doing.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: And then I went to get in my car because
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: it's been really hot around here, so I've been leaving
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: my windows down. If I'm going out again, Yeah, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: don't look it because I have a driveway. One's coming
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: in my driveway.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And then I went to get in my car and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: then there's just some massive wasp man. I freaked out.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And you know how hard that thing is to get
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: out of your car because and if that stings you, yeah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: but I'm dead, probably could die. I know it was Australia.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: It took me a solid like I reckon five five
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: minutes to get that thing out of my car. I
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: was like grabbing a grocery bag, like tryny. I couldn't
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: grab it because I was in the corner of my windscreen.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't touch this thing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Did you have bugs ran in your house?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: No? I didn't even think of that. I was in
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the driveway. I was like, I'm gonna go, oh, well,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: fuck me.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how much of a catch
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: up that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Was talking about insects. I tell you, I'll leave it on.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: One movie's come out.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Let us know. Did you watch Wallace and Grommitt as
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a kid. Yes, you did. There's a new one out
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: just came out on Netflix. What did it take him
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: that long to make it? It looks sick.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Actually, if you want a synopsis of that, let me know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: because I'm gonna watch it soon.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe should we both watch it. I just I just
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: got a new TV today too. It came. It came
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: seventy inches. It looked good. I'll tell you what. It's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: raining here today and I was waiting for my TV.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Got a text saying is here.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I was waiting to for my TV to gum it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: pissing down rain And then they just walk up my
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: driveway and the box is soaked.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It's big seven to take it out straight away. I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: had to take it, but I wasn't planning on doing that,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: big big box. I just fucking took it out of there.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: What did they happen in the back of a ute?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: They missed my driveway and then walked it down the piece.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, thanks to that. Guys, it's not an
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: expensive TV or anything that's weird. Let's get into a day.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, it is time for a couple of dilemmas
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: from the baddies.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: All anonymous, of course.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: If you want to submit one, that'll be in the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: description of this episode, and it's in the link in
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: our Instagram bio.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's all anonymous. Even if you choose not anonymous,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: we still can't see who you are, so.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Because we are geniuses, fucking genius.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, this one. I don't think we've ever had one
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: like this. It's not like super juicy, but it's just tricky, good, okay, tricky.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: How do I stop myself from getting jealous of my boyfriends?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of my boyfriend and his ambitions? Oh okay,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: So my boyfriend and I have been together for eight
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: months now. One thing you should know is he's twelve
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: years older than me. Recently, he's been traveling to visit
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: family and friends.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Which I love for him.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: He's in a place in his life where he's doing great,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: has money, and can take work off. I, on the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: other hand, have two dogs that I can't leave, a
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: low paying job and no money in my savings.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Classic.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I admire him for his hard work and how goal
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: oriented he is. Since he's gone on these trips, I've
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: caught myself comparing and getting jealous of him having so
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: much freedom and money. I have to constantly remind myself
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: he has twelve years on me, and yeah, twelve years
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: on me. He takes care of me like no one
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: else has, and he does try to include me on
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: future trips. I just can't take the time off work.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: On another note, since he's gone on these trips, he
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: will come home and talk about the people he met
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and his friends. He talks so highly of them, saying
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: things like, quote, he's the smartest guy I've met, or
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: quote he has so much going for him, or quote
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I thought I knew how to do life.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Until this trip. I know that sounds weird, but he's
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: not into guys. He's just passionate about.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: His hobbies, and these guys he recently met are his heroes.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I love that he has those kind of people in
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: his life.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, I'm jealous because I can't
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: imagine him saying those things about me. We discussed it,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and he said that he never talks about those guys
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: like that to their face, and he's been saying those
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: types of things more to me, more to me now.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: But I feel weird because I had to tell him
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel natural. How do I overcome this jealousy? Ooh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: this is tricky? So yeah, I just found it hard
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: because it's a jealousy thing, and it's like, yeah, she's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: telling us.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: She knows that he's got twelve years of life on her, but.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Still it's the classic comparison is the thief of joy
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and the grass is always greener. I think it's a
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: big mindset thing for her. I think obviously there's got
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to be a bit of communication in the relationship and say, boys,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: how you feeling to you boyfriend, because he's probably got
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: no idea. Yeah, and the way you phrased it sounded
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: like what you're doing is sad.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Now you're just doing life.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, But I think that's her mindset at the moment.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I think you got to switch your mindset and be like, no,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I'm grinding at the moment. This is like, I'm appreciative
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: of what I'm doing. I've got a good job, I've
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: got two cool dogs. I'm not making that good money,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: but I will be in five years. Yeah, and like
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: switch your mindset a little bit, because it's sort of
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: like the why can't my life.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Be like that kind of mindset? You don't.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Actually, it seems like she's noticed it. I wouldn't say
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: she has a poor me attitude, but it's like if
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: you weren't self aware, then it would be poor me.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Like if you were jealous of him, but you like
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: thought it was fine to be jealous of him, that
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: would be poor me.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: But since yourself awake, I.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Think, yeah, it's really good that you've like realized why
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: you're getting jealous and like you're asking for tips, which
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: is like the first way to get like feel better. Yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: but I think it's very very tricky, and the fact
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: that you sent something in is like the really good
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: step to feeling better. But I think it's just appreciating
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the grind.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I agree. You know what actually is funny.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I listened to this morning because I drove home from
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Beath this morning. I listened to I haven't listened to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Shits and Gigs for a little while, and I listened
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to an episode and they kind of got semi deep,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: which they don't do. Yeah, and so one of them
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was talking about how one thing he found out last
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: year that he'd never known his whole life was that
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: he doesn't so he doesn't care about what he does,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't care if someone judges him, but he
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: really really cares if someone doesn't like him. Someone like
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: let's say you like you. Someone could be indifferent and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: he doesn't care. But if someone is like, oh no,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I don't like you, that really affects him. And so
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: he said he said he never knew that, right, And
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: then he was started watching like this how Alex Hall
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Mosey stuff or something like that. He said, he wasn't
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: watching it nothing about business. It's more about like so
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: there's He had this phrase of I think it's kind
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of just like a roundabout way of saying the grass
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: is always greener because you could have all the things
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: your boyfriend has and be super unhappy and think back
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: to when you didn't have any of that and be like, oh,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: why I was unhappy then because I was comparing myself
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and wanted all that. Now I have all that, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not happy now like I wish I was back then.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I was actually way happier back then. And so it
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: is just like a roundabout way. It's like the grass
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: is always green and you need to It's almost like
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you just have to go through life.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's the dilemma. Cender should build her own
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: personal goals. Yeah, and like look forward to things in
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: your life. I think a big thing I've got lost
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: in it before in a relationship is like you're definitely
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: a team, don't get me wrong, but you're still too
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: individuals and like he's on his journey and just so
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: happens that he's twelve years ahead of you.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: It's a long time.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a long time, and you shouldn't compare at all,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: but you have to put in place things you're looking
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: forward to, grind and then at the end of the year,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: take the week off you deserve.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: And honestly, not that we like this word, but I'm sure,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it motivates you.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's taking it back to me.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing with my cut at the end
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: of it, I'm going to go to a trip for
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Balley because of grinting so much.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: So when you can with work plan of your boyfriend
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: six twelve months in advance and be like, hey, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: know I'm working, he's and your love and traveling, like,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: let's plan something together or if you need a solo trip,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: like make things that you look forward for in your
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: life as well, because it's so easy to get lost
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: in comparison and then also becoming a team in a relationship.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: It's still like you need to prioritize yourself in the relationship,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: which is easier said than done. But that good point,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: it is easier said than done.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you see so.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Many relationships with they become an entity, which you are,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: but you're still your individual self.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It's relationships a tricky.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Actually, Beth and I are talking about moving in and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: we were talking about.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: A little more in death and I was like, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I said, I wanted to say it now because it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: not going to be for a little while, but like
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: we want to do it, and I was thinking, oh,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I said to her, I was like, I really right now,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: she lives an hour and a half away, and so
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: we see each other once twice a week, right, And
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I said to her, I was like, I'm not gonna
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: lie the times when I'm at home, I don't think
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I realize how much I enjoy it because you're a
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: phone call away, which is great, but also it's like,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm just like by myself, get to watch
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: whatever I want to watch, get to work late if
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I want to work late, Like.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: When we're together, I just would like it to.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Be a thing that we can say when we need
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: time alone without it being offensive, Like I want to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: be able to be like, oh, actually I kind of
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: a shit day. Not that I don't want to see you,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: but I kind of just want to like actually chill
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and just watch my own show tonight with my own
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: time for just like an hour.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: We'll like decompress.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: That brings up a good point, taking you back to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: the dilemma as well, setting up boundaries like it's all
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: good and well, your boyfriend's going on all these trips,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: but also when he brings back these things, whichever ones
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: affect you more like, if you're allowed to feel shit.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: If he comes back and says, that was the best
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: trip ever, you should have met blah, you should respect
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy you had the best trip ever. But
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: maybe just refrain from telling me all the details because
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: it makes me feel like, why aren't I doing it?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. Actually, yeah, set the boundaries out,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: like fair enough to get jealous because he probably had
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to fucking time of his life.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you he's oblivious because he's just like,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I got the best trip ever and you're here like,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: oh well, I just look those with my dogs.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I fuck, I reckon I'd be guilty of that. Yeah,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they're coming home from Lare. Was like, it was fucking said,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you should go, you should go. What have you been doing?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I tell you what, get on a business class fight?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: You should go? Literally literally, but I reckon, you got
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: this girl? Yeah? I reckon you got this?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Alrighty next te Lemma? Am I being insecure? Or is
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: he not recognizing how I feel? I've been dating this
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: guy for six months now, and we openly talk about.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Watching porn in our relationship.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: In the early months of our relationship, speaking about it
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: with him, I came to terms with myself that I
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: was no longer going to watch it and felt as
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: though it was disrespectful towards him, and I told him this.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: We spoke about it, and we promised not to do
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: it again. Weeks later, I had the gut feeling that
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: he watched it, so I asked him about it, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: he did say he broke the promise and he has
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: watched it multiple times since we spoke. We spoke about
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: this and I told him that I really really didn't
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: like the idea of him.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Watching it at all.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: He confessed and told me that he was addicted to it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I said that that's okay, and I would help him
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: through it if he wanted to change, which he does.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: He said he wanted to change for me as it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: something I'm not comfortable with. But he's still currently watching
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: porn three to four times a week. I feel like
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing enough, even though we have sex close
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: to every time we see each other, which is probably
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: five times a week.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: What do I do? How do I help him through this?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm being insecure and not doing enough.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: But I just really really feel uncomfortable about the idea
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: of him watching it and feel like it's becoming an
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: issue since he lied to begin with, Please help. I've
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: been listening to you guys since the very start. You've
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: both come such a long way. I love watching your journey.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Keep it up. Thank you. Fuck that's hard, isn't it. Yeah?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: So I mean, like the fact that he promised he
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: wouldn't watch it again and then watch it is just like.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: That's the massive topic for me.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Once may great Mindsseker. Like when I read this to start,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, the bigger issue here is he lied
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: And that's a big takeaway from our pod is. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: like to emphasize being a man of your word. If
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: you're going to say you're going to do something, actually
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: do it. Like I feel like early on in maybe
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: not my relationship, but when I was younger, I used
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: to always say what I thought she.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Wanted to hear. Yeah, I think that's relatable.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And I can I probably still do that sometimes.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because just as a guy, you just say, oh, yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I won't watch porn. I won't watch porn, and then yeah.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You think of it as something that would just be
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: like if you say I won't watch it, and then
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it's like I'm just gonna watch it still and like.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to hide it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such an easy thing to do. That would
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: have been his mindset because he would have seen, like
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: you feeling uncomfortable with it and you're like you would
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: not want to watch it together, and he would have
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: been like, oh, yeah, I'm not going to watch it,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and like I used to do that when I was
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: like eighteen all the time. So I think it's a
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: little bit of immaturity. But the problem of porn is
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: a recurring theme on the podcast. It seems like, yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: we've spoked about it a bit. Actually, after you say something,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: have something to say, which I think it's very individualized,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: and you've done the perfect thing by voicing how you
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: feel and saying you're uncomfortable with it, And.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: The fact that he lied to you is the problem.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's addicted to porn, to say, so
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to speak, as much he says he is, Yeah, I don't.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Know, unless it's like one of those things where a
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: lot of guys will be like, oh, I can't fall
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: asleep without.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: A fucking quick one out.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: True, Like, I don't know he's addicted to his individual circumstances,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: but like they're having sex heaps, Like I don't see
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the need.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: To it's not affecting their sex life. I guess that's
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: a good way to look at it. That's an optimistic thing.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: M Yeah, And I know it's so hard because we
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: keep going dilemmas for girls to understand why guys mas
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: debate and it's definitely just want to emphasize, like it's
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: not an attack on your looks or anything like that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: It's a hymn problem, yeah, of like just the sensation
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: of orgasming. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if this
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: is a rebuttal to that or not, but I was
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: just like, as you're reading it, I was thinking, like, okay,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: so as because we're both males, right and.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Admittedly have both watched like because we have access to it,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: and you know, we were young and we're still pretty young,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: but like have watched probably quite a lot of porn
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: between us, so our take on this, Like I don't
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: want to say we're the wrong person to ask this,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: but like where we I think I can admit, like
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: subconsciously we will try and probably be like hey, like
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: we like we say all the time, kind of like
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: it's not an attack on you.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: It's not He's not doing it to hurt you. He's
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: not doing it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I think you can do something to
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: not hurt someone, but it still hurts, Like you could
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: cheat on your girlfriend and you're like, I'm not doing
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it to hurt her. I'm doing it to fuck this girl,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: like I'm doing it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: For me, but it still hurts.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So it's like I feel like I feel like we
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: get stuck, both of us guilty of it. It's like
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: semi justifying it for the person when like, let's be real,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Paun's pretty fucked.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fuck your mind, it's pretty gnarly, like yeah, yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I think what I struggle with is because I think
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: it's okay in a relationship, which is my belief.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I think that if both people think it's okay, then yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: But because she's done everything right this dilemma center yeah
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: and told her boyfriend voice that she doesn't think it's okay,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: and he lied to it and said they would do it,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I I just maybe like putting in the steps to
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: help him get over it. There's heaps of YouTube tuatorials
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: and even TikTok videos how to not get addicted to porn.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I don't. I always.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're being insecure, yeah, no question, Yeah, no,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're being I think I think your
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: boyfriend has made you feel like you're being insecure by
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: watching it again.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I reckon you should bring up with him
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: just playing. Hey, just bringing up the porn thing again.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I know you said you're addicted, but we can get
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: through this together. Like you said, you want to change,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: but I think you need a change for yourself, not
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: necessarily because I feel uncomfortable. Yeah, Like if you're addicted
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and you recognize it's an addiction, then like being addicted
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to something like a pretty froglem. I mean, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I'm addicted to coffee. But like it's it's like taking accountability.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Like if he wants to get better once, should we
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: get You're not going to fix yourself unless you want
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: to do it for yourself, not because he wants to
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: do it for you, because you're uncomfortable with it. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: think that's make Yeah, that's why you feel insecure because
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: he's like you're the problem.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what's the similar thing, Like I guess, I mean,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: let's just say he like, imagine if he I hate
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: using hypotheticals, but imagine if he didn't like you watching
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: porn and you said you wouldn't watch porn and you
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: kept watching porn, Like you know, I'm also in an
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: argument though, Like I'm a big I I've told Beth
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: has done it a couple of times, and I've told
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: her like I don't like it, and I'll try to
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: never do it to her, and she doesn't.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Do it now.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: But like when someone is trying to justify their feelings
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: by saying, I know you'd feel shit if I did
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: that to you, unless it was a pretty obvious thing
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: of like I did do something dumb and made you
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: feel like shit.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It would make anyone feel shit.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: But if it's like if it's kind of a thing
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that seems like you feel like shit, you're not too
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: sure why, and the way you're trying to justify it
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: is like, imagine if I did this to you, It's like, no,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: don't tell me how I would feel.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of that. I don't
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: know if that's like toxic of me or not, but
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I just hate that so much. It's like, don't don't
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: try and make me feel like shit to try and
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: then yeah, don't be like, imagine if I did that
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I've just I've always hated that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I don't imagine if I did that to you, And
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I think we don't have that much help for you,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: but I think no.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: The biggest tips are voice that he needs to pick
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: up his communication skills with not being a liar yep,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: and then say, if you want to get better, I'm
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: here to help, but this has to be for you,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: not because I feel uncomfortable with it. It's for our
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: relationship and you personally. Yeah, I think that's a takeaway
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: from it.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, it's probably the best advice.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I bet you.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: He's young and he's like nineteen and just banking a lot,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: like not making an excuse, but he should mature a
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: little bit and realize how impactful it is on you
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: as a person and your relationship.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, and also do you think so, I'd say,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you know, personally, I don't think this is a breakup
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: worthy thing, right, But that's because again I don't think
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: watching porn.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I think I think lying is a breakup worthy thing.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair, fair, fair.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I think if like, I.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't even give three strukes in your eye, was going
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: to give the baseball analogy. But I think if he
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: lies again, I wouldn't have got But I think two
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: lies and you're out.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: It's hard a And it's just.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: That's a lying's hard as an individual line. And just
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: make sure you voice that lying is an okay in
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: your relationship.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: And again, you know what the actually the best bit
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of advice probably to give. And it's also like like
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: by no means and we'll never tell someone to break
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: up with someone, right, But like, so you think porn
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: is disrespectful in a relationship, and you don't watch it
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: to respect your partner.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: You don't want your partner to watch it to respect you.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but your partner really likes porn, probably doesn't care
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: to you if you watch porn, right, that doesn't mean
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: he should be allowed to watch porn. But also if
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: you think of it like this, Let's say you started
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: dating someone that was a massive weed smoker and you
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: just really disagreed with drugs, you probably wouldn't date that person. No,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: it's almost like we need to go into relationships these
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: days being like, what's your porn situation, Like, just be honest. Well,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want to fall too deep before we get
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: into a point where I'm like, because I don't like porn.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I think that brings up a good conversation if be
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: had in a relationship. I think anything around sex is
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit taboo, and we think it's not a
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: valid reason to break up, like if you have a
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: different sex or if you like porn or you don't
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: like porn, Like yeah, you think like, oh, that's just
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: that's that's not the big deal.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: When it is, it's fucking huge. Yeah, it's honest.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: It's honestly like someone someone someone likes drugs and someone
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: straighty one eighty. Yeah, like it's the same magnitude.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Like the other day, actually I was for this. Beth
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: and I were going to do something, and I don't
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I think we were just talking about how I hadn't
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: had drop out this year, right, it was nearly the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: end of the last year, and we were talking about
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: how I hadn't had to drop yet, and so I
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: just was jokingly like, oh, if I was a big
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: party boy, that would be like weird for you ay,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: And she was like, I probably wouldn't be with you,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: to be honest, because she's like, I know I've been
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: out twice this year, but you know I've only been
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: out twice. Yeah, And and I was like, it's so fair, Like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: you know, if Beth was a huge drinker from the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: day I met her, I actual probably wouldn't have been
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: with her.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have gone on exactly a second dates.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: But no one says watch your sex drive, like how
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: much porn do you watch?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Is that is it about? Should we start to win that?
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I think it's very valid and it should come out.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, it's so hard as the person
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: you like, oh, he watches heaps of porn, Like that's
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: such a turnoff if you feel and again you feel petty.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you talk to someone on a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: first dat and said how much porn do you watch?
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: To be honest, and the person was honest and you
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: were like, eh, there won't be a second date.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, but it's like people would be like, oh,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: you come on, he can watch porn.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Who cares?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: But again, it's like if you you believe, yeah, it's a.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Weird ey yeah, die on that hill.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, but there's a couple of good takeaways,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: but very tricky situation.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Hopefully there was a little bit of help, and hopefully
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I think I just yeah, I don't know. I think
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: maybe talking about this, there's a good chance we might
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: not be the best people to ask this question because
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: we're always going to be like, oh want sweet.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: It'd probably be good to get someone on who is
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: completely like, has the statistics in the mindset of why
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: porn is so bad for you, which I know it is,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: but we are we're coming from the point of like it's.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Okay in a relationship because we think it's okay.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Okay, Jake, I'm a little bit nervous for
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: this next one. Mate. I have been I can't even
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I have been itching out my skin foot like it's
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: been weeks. It's been weeks.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: To ask you how this went.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I went to therapy for the first time ever in
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: your life, ever in my life, and I have documented
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: the experience and okay, I'm going to call this my
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: experience in therapy Part one.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: So just before Christmas, we always talk about on the
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: pod how therapy would be such a good option for
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: couples or dilemmas or anything like that. And for me,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I found it really hard to justify giving that advice
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: because I've never been and I never had like a
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: foot to stand on, Like it's so good to say,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: go to therapy, but it's such a daunting thing and
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: it's such a big ass yes, And I've always thought
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: to myself, I want to go, and I sort of
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: wanted to. I sort of want to start normalizing going
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: to therapy when you're fine or you're okay. I think
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: there's a stigma behind going to therapy when something bad
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: is going on in your life, and I want to
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: use it as a tool to like any other thing
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: you do with your body or or your mind.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, use it as a tool to get better. Well.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, apparently the best time to go is when
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: you feel like you don't need it, because it gives
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you the tools for when you do need it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and you can actually take in
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: everything you're learning when you're in a semi somewhat good place.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: So I took the accountability and booked therapy. I went
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: to a local therapist around me and person in person,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: which was very daunting and it's quite hard to get in,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: so I was a little bit limited on the therapists. Yes,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I found a psychotherapist which is also technically a counselor, okay,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: which is also cheaper than a clinical psychiatrist or psychologist.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: That good both of them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: And I also wanted to say one also daunting thing
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: or one reason you might not go to therapy is
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: because it's expensive.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, yeah. How much was this?
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: So a psychotherapist, which is a counselor was one hundred
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: everyone's difference cheap, but cheaper for a counselor was hundred
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: and twenty five dollars for the hour, but it gets
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: up to like one hundred and eighty five hundred, two
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: hundred bucks for an actual clinical psychologist or psychiatristow and
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: one of them can diagnose drugs and.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: One of them can't.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: But okay, okay, what you can do is I didn't
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: have like the time or didn't know about it. You
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: can go see your GP and get on a mental
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: health plan mental health treatment plan, and they give you
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: tell them what's going on in your life, and they
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: give you ten subsidized if this is in Australia, subsidized
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: psychology visits and you get about give or take eighty
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: seven dollars off. Wow, which is a lot if you're
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Medicare in Australia. Yes, which so Earlie is pretty good
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: for that, So anyone healthcare system is pretty good.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh wait, it's eighty seven dollars per session.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Oh that's even more.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: That's hectic.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: That's less this because if it's one hundred and thirty five,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: it would be eighty seven.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, okay, that's all right. Still yeah, yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: und one hundred bucks for a secon.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: So if you really want to go, go see a
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: GPEP and you can then get ten healthcare plans and
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: you can get a bit subsidized, which is good about
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: being in Australia because it is very expensive and I
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: understand a lot of people can't afford that.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Even if you're life's great going and pretend like something,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: just tell you to pretend. Oh so you can say
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: everything's fine, but I want a mental health plan?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah really, well.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you'd say it like that, but
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I think I want to talk to someone about the
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: things going on in my life.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, which is GP's not going to
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: question it, No, no, no, no, you could. He would
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: know that you can use as a tool. But my experience,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: what I've done is I've got a voice message of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: before and after. Let's let's play it before and then
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Then I'll play the after. Okay, okay, okay,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: So here we go. Alrighty, So I'm out the front
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of the therapist and that's a bit of a tongue
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: tw his stuff front of the therapist and not gonna lie.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty nervous. My appointment's in like thirteen minutes. Ah,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And I was driving here feeling all right, mad overthinking,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: but less nervous than I thought I was going to
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: be Yesterday. I was dreading and I was like, what
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: did I do this to myself?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: And I just had to keep telling myself, like do
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: things that you don't want to do and you experience
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: growth and hope this will be a really good thing
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: for me and my mental state and game plan going in.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to go in with no game
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: plan and be just completely open minded, just.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Because I overthink so much.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I could plan everything I'm going to talk
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: about in there, but I really want to see, just
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: like what the experience is like, which should be interesting.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing a male, which is interesting. I know I
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: sit on the pod. I'd prefer to see a female,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: but I think it'd be good. Just I don't know.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I'm the thing that's keeping me confident or like making
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: me feel like I'm okay is because I talk to
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Jake for an hour every single week, so that's kind
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: of like a therapist in a way, a therapy session.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so overall, feeling probably nerves seven out of ten.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what to say. I'm going a
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: bit of a red face, but we'll see how we
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: go and I'll see how I feel after. Alrighty, so
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I was low key shitting it. Yeah, and oh, I
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: don't know, I got really nervous.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: And when I walked through the front door, I was
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: sitting in the very very very peaceful in there could
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: be mistaken for a massage therapist, like it was given
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: that vibe. And I don't know why I was so nervous.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I think there was just like I think, fair enough,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: this stigma around therapy just made me really really nervous.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: But as soon as I met my therapist and sat
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: down with him, I felt really comfortable. Obviously they're trying
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: to do that. And I did notice one of his tips.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: He asked me about all my tattoos. So I was like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: easy to talk about.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's crazy. He was playing my game straight away.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, I know that, TI, I'll tell you anyway.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: He's like, this is really cool tatoos like I wouldn't
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: mean anything, and I was like, I know what you're doing.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: You're in my brain already.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So I got this guy was very young, and he
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: was so nice, and I felt so comfortable straight away.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: And I'll play my voice message of how I felt after,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: and then I think we'll talk about it because I
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: kind of explained my experience in there.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, I can go on more detail. So here is
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the after.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, we are done, and where I thoroughly enjoyed that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going to run you through my thinking when I
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: was in the four yer, pretty nervous, not gonna lie.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: One thing I picked up on was there was a
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: lot of lint chocolates when.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: They were giving him. You know in Christmas how they
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: give away like little cheap lollies. The psychologists give away
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: linch chocolates. You know they're doing good but I was
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: really nervous. Had met my therapist, absolutely beautiful man, lovely guy,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: and felt very in a very safe environment to talk
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: about my feelings and open up. And we got into it,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: and I got a brief rundown of what he specializes in,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: which was narrative psychology, and he was a counselor, not
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: a clinical psychologist, and he specializes in figuring out where
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: a problem is coming from where you might not be
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: able to see, which was very cool and interesting, and
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: we just got to know each other. He let me
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: know about himself and then I let him know about
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: myself where my head's at the main thing we talked
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: about was burnout and why I feel like I'm burning out,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: which was very interesting. And one of the tools he
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: used to do that was he's not gonna give you
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: the answers. He's trying to, like see if you can
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: voice them yourself, sort of like what me and Jake
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: do on the pod. You don't know, not necessarily something
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: a problem going on in your life, but you don't
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: know when something a really good moment's gonna happen on
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the pod that's really funny, or we have some stimulating
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: conversation because of each other's responses, and he did the
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: same thing, and I figured out a little bit of
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: why I might be burning out or why one of
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: my problems is I can't shut off. That was really
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: really interesting, and time flew by hour did not feel
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: long enough, but I wanted to come into this as
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: a standing point of similar go back to a gym analogy,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: like a boy like, You're not gonna Jake said this
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: to the other day and it resonated with me. You're
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: not gonna get fit or get ripped over night, are.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: You've gotta consistently show up time after time. And I
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: think once a month is a really good tool.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And yeah, okay. So I was just driving home reflecting
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: on the therapy session and I guess the best takeaway
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: from it for what therapy is like is, Jake, You're
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: gonna like this one. The key is always going to
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: be in the beholder, meaning the answers are within yourself.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Is very poetic.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: And what a therapist does, I think he does for
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: me anyway, is allows so if there's a key hole
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: for what the answer is, he makes that key hole
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: just that little bit bigger so you can find it easier.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: And I think that is the best tool of a therapist.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Makes you see what's.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Going on and potentially reveal something that was unable to
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: be seen, and he makes that fix be able to
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: be seen a little bit easier.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: That is sick.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: So this is my personal experience in therapy, and everyone's
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: going to be different. Yeah, but overall, I think it
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: was a very worthwhile experience. And I'll tell you what
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: was nice was every conversation you have with a person
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: like even us on the podcast. You obviously I talk
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: about myself, then I listened to you, and then the
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: conversation flows about your life, then my life. It was
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: really nice to be selfish and talk about yourself for
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: like an hour.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: It was really nice because obviously any normal person, anyone
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: who has like a good self awareness, he's going to
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: talk in like for that to take turns.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes turns about your personal life.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: But it was really nice to go in there and
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: just be like, so this is me, and he asked
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: some really interesting questions about my personal life, and he
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: like says, tell me if I step too far or
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: anything like that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: And it was really nice.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: And a couple of things take away. I appreciated. You
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: don't really sit down and think. It's like forces you
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: to think about things going on in your life. And
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I know I've told you, but it came out, he said,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: it not me, how important and appreciative I am of
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: your relationship for us, and also my girlfriend, how appreciative
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: and how much I love her. It came out, which
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I obviously know I love her, but it was nice
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: to like I had.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: To describe the way I loved her.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was really nice to think in a
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: way of someone else asking the questions and it'd all
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: be about me. And it really felt like a weight
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: was lifted off my shoulder walking out of there, And
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: looking back on it now, it's sort of doesn't comprehend
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: why I was so nervous because he was so simple.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Going in there and talking to a guy. Yeah, it
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: was like the most normal thing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, what did you expect was going to happen? Yeah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: But for some reason it's so daunting. And I've booked
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: in again. I'm going to go once a.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Month, likeing. Oh yeah, and I actually I got lucky
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and I'd really like him. Yeah, I liked him. I
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: like him.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: It was a really good bloke and it was good
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: because he was somewhat young. I think it was maybe
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: mid thirties and he's been a counselor in school, so
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: he sort of like knew what a kid was like
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: and stuff. Mate, And yeah, I would highly recommend, especially
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: if you're in a good point or a bad point
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: in your life.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: And it may be very daunting. But after it, like
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I felt really good. Fuck, I'm proud of you. Thanks.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You should be proud of yourself. I'll tell you what.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: But before, like two or three days out, I was like,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: why the fuck did I do this?
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Or you're an idiot? Like really, I was like, I
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: sort of this is a good thing about the pot.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm doing it for content. I know.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I know it shouldn't be like you're doing it for yourself,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: but you are.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: There was content that made me do it even more
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: and I was like after it, I was like, you're
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: an idioty that was so simple and so good for you.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: And like I walked out of it and I was like, oh.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Good, got I felt it felt rewarding going wow. Yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: And it was a good experience.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: And so you rated going in person.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoyed person. But I like doing like we
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: don't have guests on the pot, like we could have
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: heaps of zoom. I like seeing what the person's like. Yes,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: I really liked that. I didn't want to go on
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: zoom with some person and be in my room and
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: be comfortable. Okay, well that's my experience, but like some people,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: some people might be more comfortable on zoom because it's
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: less daunting.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe out in your I listened to someone
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: talk about it and they said they did do better help,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: which is online. Yeah, and they said that they didn't
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: want to be in their comfortable space, so they went
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: and did it in their car.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Oh fair.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, it's actually not about it.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Online's good too for busy people because it does you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I had to drive there. It takes a bit of
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: your time, like it takes obviously a bit longer.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, man, you should definitely be very proud of
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: yourself once a month. That's pretty sick.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: So that that's going to be a little bit of
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: a new series on the pod is like recapping my
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: tips I've learned for from therapy yep so therapy Part one,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Part two, Part three, and also I also wanted to
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: go there for like a standing point in the future
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: because I'm good now and God forbid something happens in
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: my life or my relationship. But I want to have
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: a standing point for what therapy is like, so when
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I am bad, I don't have the daunting side of
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: going to therapy for the first time and my relationships
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: crumbling and I'm something bad is happening in my life.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: So I want to sort this out now and so
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I can deal with those problems better in the future.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would you have mindset? Good mindset? Yeah? And yeah,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: that was my experience in there. Mate.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Fuck maybe end of twenty twenty five, I might don't.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Don't don't don't feel pressured too, because I did, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: that's my very individualized personal experience. But I think it's good,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: especially for men as well, because it's such a big
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: stigma around men not being able to talk.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: About their feelings.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Like I sat down and talked to a man I've
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: never met before about the things going on in my life. Yeah,
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: and I think we need normalize that a bit more
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: and being like it's okay to not be okay or
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: voice when you're sad as a man.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Shit bro just proud. That's so sick.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks man.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Well that's it guys. Thanks for being a baddie.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks for being a baddi. We'll see you next time. Bye.