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Dairy or Dangerous - The Raw Milk Deep Dive · SpaceTomatoes

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  Hi everybody, welcome to the Space Tomatoes podcast.
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  I am one of your hosts, LX, and we also have Mr. Havoc over here.
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  Hey, Havoc.
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  Hello there.
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  Hey.
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  So today we're going to get a little bit of a milk mustache on, maybe.
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  If you don't like milk, too bad, because today I think we're going to be talking about some
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  milk stuff, because I know you've been taking a deep dive down the rabbit hole of milk and
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  the story about raw milk versus pasteurized milk and how it became that way.
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  Because for hundreds and hundreds and thousands of years, people have been eating or drinking,
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  whatever you want to call it.
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  I guess we're eating it or drinking it.
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  I don't know what the correct term is, but milk straight out of whatever animal that you so desire.
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  For my wife and I, we go for the goat milk.
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  But some people prefer cow.
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  There's also other animals, I guess.
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  I don't know. Can you milk the cats?
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  No.
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  I don't know.
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  You know, maybe.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there are other animals, right?
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  I mean, you go internationally and you're going to have different animals.
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  I imagine Mongolia, it's probably, you know, I know.
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  I think yaks milk is something people do as well.
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  I don't know.
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  But it is.
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  It's a, you know, it's a tradition or tradition.
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  And it's a foodstuff from, you know, as early as I could figure out.
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  I mean, you've got Egyptians, you know, showing pictures of milk, you know what I mean, in hieroglyphs, et cetera.
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  So, or at least it looks like a white liquid inside of a, you know, a container.
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  Hard to tell, right?
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  There's not really many of them left that you can just go like, hey, what is this?
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  And they're like, oh, yeah.
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  uh actually there's i was gonna say there aren't any but any more i'm a yeah i i don't
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  i don't well this one threw me for a loop man and i'm nowhere near where i want to be in the
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  research on this i think we're probably going to be doing this uh at least once more so you went
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  Straight down the rabbit hole then, apparently.
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  Well, you know, I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole, but one of the things that I really wanted to find out is, you know, when this change occurred, why?
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  And what were the real reasons?
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  And, you know, while there's some very surface level stuff that's like, oh, yeah, people got sick, it doesn't hold up, right?
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  it just doesn't hold up anytime i ask myself why something happens it usually comes down to one
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  reason and and that is money somehow factors into it and i'm sure you're going to let me know but
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  i'm sure there's a financial gain for somebody that that wanted this to happen you know i i
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  haven't gotten that far okay not yet not yet i mean there's just it's such an incredible rabbit
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  hole to go down. You know, honestly, it seems, you know, to, to anyone looking at it, you would
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  just think, oh yeah, well they made that decision for safety and that's it. Right. Um, but then as
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  we start, you know, getting into some, some of the information that I've found and, you know,
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  I'm using reputable, reputable sources, right. I'm not looking for like, you know, Joe's
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  conspiracy shop.com right i'm you know harvard harvard food law school is is one of the sources
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  that i'm using all right um you know so it's not again this isn't meant to be or it didn't start
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  out as you know some conspiracy idea or something like that and i still don't think it is right um
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  but there's always a but right well you know i mean there's some there's some
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  conspiratorial crap that i've already uncovered and it's just like mind blown like what um and
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  you know uh anything in the day maybe it's not a conspiracy maybe it's just an
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  a fact that's before its time
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  uh okay maybe that's just another name for a conspiracy anymore uh yeah so um yeah and i i
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  just i've been delving into this and i i've got some contact numbers i have people i want to reach
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  out to that are you know uh champion championing the right to choose what food you consume um to
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  you know, uh, to allow people that freedom of choice. And especially when it comes to things
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  that are whole real foods. Right. Um, now before, before we go any further in this,
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  the very first thing I want to say before we even start talking about any of this,
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  you know, we will put them up in a few areas, right? One of the areas that I think I may actually
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  post the videos to and potentially comments, and I will post the links and, you know, other notes
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  and everything related to this podcast, right?
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  This particular episode.
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  And anything we go into like that,
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  I will try and make sure that we do the same there, right?
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  So Telegram channel, you can also find us,
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  So we're trying to expand the ways that you can consume this. If you have other ideas, let us know. Anyway, big, real important statement here, right? I am not a doctor. I'm not a nutritionist. I'm not a lawyer. I don't work for any governmental agency whatsoever, right?
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  everything I'm telling you here, I've sourced, I will include my sources and I'm giving you the
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  information as it was presented, uh, and not trying to, you know, pull some weirdness out of
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  my behind. Right. Uh, you'll see media come through, uh, throughout this podcast as I edited
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  it up to show you what I was looking at. So you can see it verbatim word for word. Um, and hopefully
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  we won't get in any, I don't think so. Cause this is a public forum from a public event that
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  was publicly put out there, but fair use. I think you're allowed to do that.
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  Yeah. I don't, I don't, you know, not my intention to, to do anything that is, you know,
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  trying to take from others work. And in fact, you know, again, all of the presentations and
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  everything else, uh, everything I'm capturing, I will, I will put the links in there. You will
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  have access to the original source information with credit for the people. I'm not going to go
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  through and credit everybody. I'm going to give you the link. You can go look at the source
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  information, et cetera. So did I clear everything I wanted? This is an interesting one, right?
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  So yeah, that's kind of what I've been diving into. And it got weird real quick,
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  like real quick uncomfortably so yeah i don't know that much about it all i know is is i
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  visited you last year and while i was up there well i didn't actually go my wife went to uh they
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  have a a local farm store or around you somewhere somewhere and they were selling uh raw goat milk
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  and my my or actually it was a goat milk kefir or kefir i don't know how you say it
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  but my wife bought me some and I was having a little bit of a flare up with my psoriasis,
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  especially on my, my arms.
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  Um, but I drank that for a few days and it actually got better.
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  So that's kind of what got me turned onto it.
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  And, and the little bit of a peripheral reading I did on like raw milk, it, it didn't really
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  give me a lot of confidence because a lot of people are against it.
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  They're like, you're going to die.
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  You know, it's got bacteria in it.
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  There's a reason the government, you know, does the pasteurization thing.
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  and you're taking your life into your own hands,
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  and then I'm like, eh, people have been doing it for a long time.
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  I could see you want to be trusting of the source where you're coming from.
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  I don't think you want a dirty farm.
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  I think you need to source everyone in place that cleanliness is one of their priorities.
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  But beyond that, I do not think it's going to hurt you.
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  I mean, that's just in my opinion.
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  But your mileage may vary.
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  so i mean if you have a if you get sick or die it's your problem not ours if you have any kind
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  of medical conditions where you uh yeah where you know you maybe consult a doctor before doing it
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  but they might not tell you uh it's a great idea i don't know this is just my personal experience
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  they're not they're they're they're absolutely 100 not going to tell you
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  that that you're going to be okay doing it right i highly doubt it okay let me take that back i'm
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  to walk all that back. I'm going to say I would be absolutely shocked and amazed if, if a medical
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  professional told you, yeah, go for it. You're fine. Right. And again, this is, you know,
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  I can't speak for the medical professional, but I can imagine if I was in that situation, look,
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  I'm just, we're just podcast hosts, right? If you, you know, I mean, there's a lot of places
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  get information from. Right. Um, anyway, we, you know, I felt it, we both felt it was necessary to
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  kind of have that little spiel at the front. Like, Hey, look, we're not, you know, professionals.
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  We're not giving you advice here. We're not telling you what to do. What we're doing is
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  talking about a subject. We're going through information that we've found. Um, now I will say
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  that I am biased towards raw milk. Okay. Um, I'm not against so much pasteurized milk. Uh, I just,
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  there, there are, there are a number of reasons that I prefer it. Not the least of which is
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  tastes better. Um, it's, it's got a lot of active, active live enzymes and cultures in it that
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  are, you know, good for your body, right? Babies drink raw milk.
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  Hmm. Maybe there's a reason for that, right? We don't pasteurize mother's breast milk.
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  Now, again, you're telling me, okay, well, you know, different situation. It is. I'm not going
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  to go there, right? But at the same time, there's no requirement for that, right? So yeah, it's an
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  interesting one. It really is.
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  I mean for me I always been like my diet was not very expanse And so like when it was first suggested to me to try even the kefir which is fermented milk
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  So, I mean, to me, that was like, you know, I don't want to drink fermented milk.
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  I'm thinking like, you know, it's got like chunks floating around in it and stuff.
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  You know, like that's the whole thing about raw milk.
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  So if – I didn't know this.
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  So if you leave raw milk on the counter, like unrefrigerated, it's going to turn into sour cream or some other kind of milk product that you can eat and you're not going to die.
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  If you leave store-bought pasteurized milk on the counter, it's going to become rancid and moldy and you're going to die if you drink it or get very, very sick probably.
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  at the very at the very least it's unappetizing and inedible so my guess is it'll come out quicker
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  than it went in yeah so i mean in my mind when you know like when i first heard you know of
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  fermented milk you know the kefir stuff i'm thinking like in my brain like when you leave
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  milk on the counter that's what you're gonna get some chunky nasty you know like
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  stuff you can't even stand the smell of which is it's that's not the case right yeah yeah no it was
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  it was interesting so you know yeah man this is just so expansive and i'm like i feel so lost in
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  this as well because i'm literally just scratching the surface and i've been researching the crap out
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  this all week. And just to give you an idea all week, like I've probably spent six, seven hours.
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  Okay. So I say all week and it's not like I'm sitting here all day. I have a job, right? I have
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  to do stuff to make a living. Uh, so, but I am, you know, actively researching this stuff and,
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  you know, uh, you know, let me take that back. It's gotta be more than seven hours because I've,
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  I've gone through at least two or three, uh,
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  hour plus things, uh, debates, presentations, et cetera.
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  Wow. As well. Uh, so yeah, it's probably more like 12 hours, right?
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  Impressive. Yeah. Yeah. So a few things I learned, uh,
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  you're familiar with the term outbreak, right? What is it?
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  Outbreak. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  outbreak like oh we had an outbreak right do you know what an outbreak is no well i mean take a
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  guess take a guess the like the definition of it how do you yeah how do you actually say oh well
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  this is an outbreak but that wasn't i what do you think what do you think i mean just use your gut
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  right you've heard the term just like a high incidence of something happening i would say
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  yeah yeah that's that was me too i was like oh my gosh this is
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  an outbreak you know there's got to be thousands of people infected like in 2020 say we had an
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  outbreak of some kind of virus right exactly an outbreak right you think outbreak and it
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  you may hit my head lots of people affected by it right my head goes oh my gosh so many people
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  An outbreak, it is considered an outbreak when two or more people are affected.
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  Really?
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  Two or more.
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  Interesting.
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  Yes.
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  So you either have an incident, a solo incident, or an outbreak.
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  So right off the bat, put your mindset there, right?
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  Whenever you hear outbreak, it doesn't mean what your brain thinks, or at least what my brain automatically goes to, which is outbreak.
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  Oh, my gosh.
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  Hundreds, thousands, hundreds of millions, billions of people have been affected.
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  That's what I would think, right?
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  Two.
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  Two.
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  That's all it takes.
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  Yep.
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  Now, I'm not saying that's it for all outbreaks, but that's all that is required for it to be considered an outbreak.
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  That is literally what an outbreak is.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So that was eyeopening.
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  I mean, no, it was to me, my whole, my whole thought is an outbreak means, holy crap, we're
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  screwed.
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  You know what I mean?
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  This is a big deal.
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  Oh, it's an outbreak of E. coli.
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  Yeah.
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  These two dudes at it.
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  Hmm.
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  Okay.
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  Okay. So, yeah, from there it gets even weirder, right? Let's see if I can get through some of this stuff. I'm trying to go through some of my...
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  I mean, we all kind of know what we learned in elementary school or middle school, right, about Louis Pasteur.
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  And that's about the extent of what I know about pasteurization.
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  But it was like people were getting sick, so they heated it up, and now people don't get sick, right?
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  That's it.
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  That's about all I know.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  so one of the things i found which was interesting and this is in a presentation again from the harvard
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  food law school so the harvard school of law has different portions of their law schools right
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  and this one is their food law right okay yeah this is harvard we've heard of them they seem to
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  be pretty reasonably intelligent people been around for a while yeah might might consider
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  them a heightened authority, right? But this is from a presentation from that.
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  And I'm not saying that these are Harvard professors or anything like that. I did not
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  get that far into it, right? I haven't delved into the credentials of each individuals
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  in the presentation, but it was put on, promoted, and sponsored by the Harvard Food Law School.
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  it is listed on the harvard site under the harvard law school site under their harvard food laws
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  and it's got the presentation in there so once again this is not you know like oh yeah okay it
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  was no it's it's right there right anyway uh part of the presentation they were coming across and
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  one of the things i'd never even heard was around raw milk and tooth decay which is kind of
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  interesting considering we just had a nifty conversation on fluoride right tooth decay
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  fluoride now this was back in 1943 and uh according to the notes the person was it was
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  james c thompson pasteurized milk a national menace the kingston chronicle chronicle from
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  Edinburgh, Scotland, 1943, comma five. I'm guessing episode five, month five. I'm not positive.
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  The statement is Dr. Evelyn Sprosson of the London hospital in and a quotation in certain
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  institutions, children who were brought up on raw milk had perfect teeth and no decay.
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  the result is so striking and unusual that it will undoubtedly be made the subject of further inquiry
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  right that's an interesting one it's not not a thing that i had thought about but
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  as a benefit of raw milk right i mean had you thought about teeth no i no i mean i i had always
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  heard that you know if you if a baby sleeps with like a bottle in his mouth or something that their
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  teeth can decay because there's high sugar content in milk, but I didn't hear that it could
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  help your teeth at all. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't either. So there you go. There's another portion.
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  Now, here's the interesting thing is they were going to go on. I got to go look at my notes again
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  because there's just so much and do a study on tooth decay. However, that study was halted.
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  hmm okay the reason it was halted there was a magazine magazine i have no idea if they're still
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  in publication or not but it was the coronet magazine and this was may 1945 okay and it was
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  an article in that magazine and it said it was a seemingly factual article about a town called
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  Crossroads USA, which doesn't exist.
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  Yes.
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  I was going to say it sounds made up.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, it was about a town called Crossroads USA does not exist where many died from undulant
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  fever contracted by raw milk or from raw milk.
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  Do they have an outbreak there?
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  Well, here's the whole problem.
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  Not only is Crossroads USA fictional, there was no outbreak of undulant fever.
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  So that stopped the study on tooth decay.
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  And this is where I started to go, hmm, this is in the mid 1940s.
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  What?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So in the Journal of Food Protection, Volume 74, Number 11, 2011, 2011, pages 1814.
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  That is 1814 through 1832.
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  One of the things that is stated in there is overall, the results of this review revealed that high quality scientific evidence to support potential benefits of raw milk consumption
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  is generally lacking and that the public should interpret any claims with caution.
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  All right.
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  So now I want you to take that statement and I want you to mirror,
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  just combine that with what I just told you.
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  Right.
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  They found teeth in children drinking raw milk.
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  They were going to do a study.
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  Suddenly a magazine releases a hit piece on a town that doesn't exist for a problem that didn't occur. Now, you know, not saying that, you know, undulant fever hasn't ever been something that has occurred. But as of right now, I have not found evidence of that. Although it is peppered in things. There is no link to this being a documented case that I've found yet.
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  okay i'm going to keep looking because i do want to see where the truth in things is right but what
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  i can tell you is to date there are like very very very few uh studies done on raw milk period
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  almost all of the studies are are done on pasteurized milk showing how it's it's fine
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  you know it's totally good right they don't all they do is tend to bias against everything else
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  and why pasteurized is better so there's nothing in there that goes through and looks at raw milk
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  and says here are the benefits of raw milk here are the risks here you know everything else
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  and and really lays out what this means you know what is raw milk is it you know it how
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  how substantially different is it right um and one thing that i found as well and i do have
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  follow-ups on this as well is a thing on some of the enzymes uh and this is pretty in in this is
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  pretty interesting right and this is about the destruction of built-in safety systems by
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  pasteurization. And this is cited, uh, this sites, uh, scientific American from December,
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  1995, as well as the Lancet from 17th of November, 1984. Uh, and what it has here is in it,
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  it measures out breast milk, raw milk, and then pasteurized UHT and infant formula. Okay.
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  In this, we've got the components, B lymphocytes, macrophages, neutrophils, lymphocytes, IgA, IgG antibodies, B12 binding protein, bifidus factor, medium chain fatty acids, fibronectin, gamma interferon, lactoferrin,
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  ferrin lactoperoxidase lysozyme mucin
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  Say that four times fast.
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  Yeah, no thanks. Hormones and growth factors. I'm not even certain what hormones and growth
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  factors are, but I would imagine they're things related to hormonal regulation and growth of
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  you know, cells, et cetera, right? It's my imagination. I just said, it's my imagination.
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  Anyway, in each of the case, in the breast milk column and the raw milk column, they are all
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  active. In the pasteurized milk, you have, so you have most of them inactivated and some reduced,
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  and the UHT milk, the ultra high temp or what we're calling ultra pasteurized, which is a European
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  thing for a while. Ultra high, well, I don't know that they're the same actually, but in another
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  point of research I need to do. And as well in that one, almost all of them, only three of them,
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  the hormones, the mucin and the medium chain fatty acids are reduced, but not inactivated.
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  and then in infant formula the only thing that is reduced is medium chain fatty acids everything
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  else is inactivated some of these i recognize right off the bat right as things that your body
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  does want you need right i'm not again a doctor i'm not a medical professional but you know it is
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  worth looking at like things like b12 binding protein uh that's that's not a bad thing right
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  Most of these things, in fact, are all around gut health and, you know, general cellular health, etc., right? So, you know, it starts to make you wonder, why this, right?
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  And so the first thing you come to is some statements, which are, I guess for me, a little bit bizarre, right?
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  All right.
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  And this leads me to the next piece.
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  And this was a statement made.
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  So this is John F. Sheehan, Director of Division of Plant and Dairy Food Safety, Office of Food Safety, Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, United States Food and Drug Administration.
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  Can you imagine having to put that on a business card?
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  The backside of the business card just for like that.
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  And this is before the Health and Government Operations Committee for the Maryland House of Delegates, March 15th of 2007.
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  All right. This is the statement they made. Raw milk should not be consumed by anyone at any time for any reason.
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  Let me repeat that. Raw milk should not be consumed by anyone at any time for any reason.
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  FDA's opinion in this matter is entirely consistent with that of the American Medical Association, which holds as policy the position that all milk sold for human consumption should be required to be pasteurized.
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  And this is referenced as H-150.980, milk and human health. Not sure what that reference is to. I may have zoned out a little bit during this part of the presentation.
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  So you look at that statement and you go, hmm, really?
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  No one at any time for any reason should ever do this, which makes you start to go, wow, this stuff must be dangerous, right?
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  Well, you would think because when you look it up online, I'm sure most people would Google it.
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  That's probably one of the things that comes up, and that's probably the reason why these people are parroting that when people inquire about the raw milk situation.
• 30:19
  They just regurgitate that statement that, you know, absolutely not.
• 30:24
  You shouldn't eat it.
• 30:25
  You shouldn't consume it.
• 30:26
  It's going to kill you.
• 30:27
  Like, so what they have for proof or evidence of why, they really can't say.
• 30:33
  yeah so the the the proof is essentially because we said so outbreak information from
• 30:44
  long time ago really when did we start pasteurizing everything do you know the date on that stuff
• 30:52
  oh i don't have the exact date but i think the the mandates came in in the late 80s
• 31:00
  oh really i think that was it but i'll have again not there yet i i got stuck on things like
• 31:08
  now why would you say something like that i mean honestly this is this is akin to the
• 31:15
  you know schedule one interpretation of marijuana not valid for any medical use just
• 31:22
  it's just you know terrible stuff to cocaine isn't a schedule one it's schedule two that's
• 31:30
  crazy right what what this is the uh the same government giving us the food pyramid telling
• 31:37
  us that uh most of our diet should come comprised of grains right okay yeah and so those are the
• 31:46
  kinds of things where okay look yeah maybe i am conspiracy minded in general or let's let's just
• 31:52
  take it to the realist, the real place that it is. It's not that I'm conspiracy minded. I would
• 31:59
  love for there not to be any conspiracies in the world. I really would. I'm interested
• 32:04
  and I am highly distrustful of the people that put out legislation about how we should live our
• 32:15
  lives. And I think everyone should be. I think if you are trusting of these entities, you've made a
• 32:21
  very bad mistake somewhere in your life. And you really need to rethink this. Okay. Now, that being
• 32:29
  said, the first thing that comes to mind after I'm starting to go through all this stuff is, well,
• 32:36
  this stuff's got to be killing people left and right. Right. And I'm drinking it. I'm going to,
• 32:41
  you know, am I going to die? I mean, I'm going to die dead. I'm not sick. I've never been or,
• 32:46
  or you know not had an issue right but wow like no time ever never nobody should ever ever touch
• 32:56
  this stuff it's so bad that that statement right there is kind of like yeah don't drink bleach
• 33:04
  nobody ever at any time should ever drink bleach yeah i'm gonna agree like household bleach in a
• 33:11
  container yeah don't freaking drink it ever for anything any reason period just don't okay that
• 33:18
  i'm gonna stand behind why well that's pretty freaking obvious but now i start hearing this
• 33:25
  stuff and it's from our government and they're telling us oh this you know this is the most
• 33:31
  problematic thing ever to occur and uh you know what's what's my brain do really
• 33:40
  gotta be a lot of people that have been fucked messed up with this stuff right excuse my language
• 33:46
  there now the one thing i will caveat on this there are a lot less people that do this with
• 33:55
  raw milk that we know of okay and that is a very very important part one of the things is very hard
• 34:04
  to determine when it comes to things like raw milk, which is banned. Well, not necessarily.
• 34:11
  It's banned for interstate commerce because the federal government cannot regulate what you sell
• 34:16
  inside of your state, right? Well, unless it's federally prohibited, right? But in this case,
• 34:24
  it's milk and the states have the right to make up their own. So there are states out there with
• 34:29
  lenient laws, regulations they put in place to test and make sure it's clean and probably labels
• 34:36
  that say, if you drink this, you're going to die. It is not our fault. So go away, please.
• 34:41
  But that being said, I started just thinking about life in general, right? Where else do I
• 34:50
  hear stuff like this and it's it's not often you hear that strong and firm of a stance against food
• 34:59
  right so i started thinking about it and the first thing that comes to mind is warning
• 35:07
  consuming meats that are raw or undercooked maybe right and you see these on menus
• 35:16
  You go to a restaurant, you're like, oh, raw or undercooked meat, dangerous, okay.
• 35:26
  But you can order it, right?
• 35:28
  Yeah.
• 35:30
  And more people get sick and or die and or are hospitalized from eating raw meats than raw milk.
• 35:41
  But let's take it a step further.
• 35:43
  What about for the vegetarians and the vegans out there and, you know, happy land?
• 35:48
  Let's go where they are because they're probably not eating meat, right?
• 35:52
  So it doesn't even apply.
• 35:54
  Why would I care about that?
• 35:55
  You know, I'm not going to drink raw milk.
• 35:57
  I'm going to be vegan, so I don't care about this anyway.
• 36:00
  But if I'm vegetarian, maybe.
• 36:04
  Just to give you some numbers, okay?
• 36:06
  Raw milk, the estimated, and this is estimated.
• 36:11
  And again, it's not legal in a lot of places.
• 36:14
  So when something's not legal, people have a very strong urge not to self-report, right?
• 36:21
  So what they know is there's 10 million people, 10 million people that drink raw milk or consume raw milk.
• 36:31
  I don't know, maybe they're snorting it or something, you know, injecting raw milk.
• 36:36
  But I think you just drank it.
• 36:38
  They buy it for the cat or dog, right?
• 36:42
  Legally.
• 36:44
  You can buy it for your pets, yes, which I do.
• 36:50
  And then I take it home and I give it to my pets.
• 36:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:55
  so anyway um raw milk equates it comes out to something uh around
• 37:11
  one-tenth one-tenth of the estimated illnesses
• 37:19
  from raw spinach it comes down to one tenth of the estimated deaths from raw spinach
• 37:30
  okay now again there's less people consuming but if you took that 10 and made it a hundred million
• 37:38
  saying one in three people in the entire of the use us was consuming raw milk you'd be looking at
• 37:44
  the same numbers as raw spinach but there's not even a freaking warning label on spinach right
• 37:50
  i mean do you did you know raw spinach has caused 125 000 reported illnesses so they were bad enough
• 37:59
  that someone reported them in the last 25 years i did not know it was that many i have seen recalls
• 38:06
  on certain uh you know things they listeria and e coli and whatever else you know on this produce
• 38:12
  Which is another weird thing.
• 38:16
  You know what two of the primary reasons they ban raw milk?
• 38:22
  They might have Listeria or E. coli.
• 38:25
  Really?
• 38:27
  Yes, really.
• 38:29
  There are others, but it's a pretty small list.
• 38:34
  And E. coli and Listeria are two.
• 38:41
  then they're the same as spinach right and i would i would guess that it's probably from the
• 38:46
  same causes which would be unsanitary conditions that the stuff is being produced in you know
• 38:51
  farm animals by nature they're you know in the mud getting dirty you know rolling around in their own
• 38:57
  poop at points and and if you don clean them before you milk them i sure that some of that stuff can transfer or even in the you know the containerization part you know putting it in the bottles and stuff
• 39:09
  If people don't use caution with that.
• 39:12
  So, I mean, for me, I kind of want to know where it's coming from.
• 39:17
  So, like, I visit the farm personally where I get it from and I observe the conditions that it is produced in.
• 39:24
  And if you go to one of these places and they do not allow you to observe those conditions, then I would probably pass on it.
• 39:32
  Bye.
• 39:34
  I'm out.
• 39:35
  Right.
• 39:35
  Sorry.
• 39:36
  Right.
• 39:36
  Yeah.
• 39:37
  And the other test is, look, any farmer that has a decent operation that wants to sell you things is likely to be very amenable to a farm visit.
• 39:51
  Right.
• 39:51
  They may not be able to give you a full farm tour and all that stuff, but if you said, hey, would you mind if I came by? I'll hang back. I'll be out of the way. Just kind of want to see your operation. I'd like to learn a little bit about it. I haven't met anyone that said no. So that's an important part.
• 40:09
  The other part is, you know, hey, look, I buy this stuff for my pets, right?
• 40:14
  And one of the first questions I ask is, do you and your family drink this?
• 40:20
  Do you have children?
• 40:21
  Do they drink this?
• 40:23
  And you know what the answer invariably is?
• 40:26
  Oh, yeah.
• 40:29
  Okay.
• 40:30
  That's, you know, this is a person that's trusting their own children, and they raise the animals, and they're trusting their own lives, right?
• 40:37
  Their own self.
• 40:39
  So they believe in this product.
• 40:41
  Okay.
• 40:42
  That's a good selling point for me.
• 40:44
  Again, make your own decisions, but I would highly urge farm visit and talk to the people.
• 40:49
  Just talk to them, you know, just keep in mind that, you know, when you're ordering this stuff from these people and you're ordering it for your pets, that you, you know, your safety of your pets should be as important to you as your children.
• 41:04
  Right.
• 41:05
  Absolutely.
• 41:06
  It is to me.
• 41:06
  Right.
• 41:07
  So treat it as such.
• 41:11
  I mean, on the flip side, nobody's probably ever visited where they get their store milk from.
• 41:18
  And you probably wouldn't be happy with what you saw when you went there.
• 41:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:28
  It's absolutely insane.
• 41:30
  especially in a high production you know a facility like that when when you know the cost
• 41:38
  is is a big factor and they're trying to move as many of these animals as possible probably probably
• 41:44
  you know i'm sure they have some kind of sanitary you know procedure but you know speed is is probably
• 41:50
  more paramount than the than the quality but i i don't know i mean i i've seen some videos of you
• 41:56
  know guys doing the hoof trimming in these facilities and it's it's not like you know
• 42:01
  it's not like a hospital in there it's a pretty dirty nasty place let me let me let me be fair
• 42:09
  on that one right i mean hoof trimming is is a vastly different thing right and we trim our
• 42:15
  our we used to trim our horses hooves on on our dirt barn floor so you're not getting the sanitary
• 42:22
  environment right right that being said i don't want to disparage anyone right so i you know
• 42:28
  benefit of the doubt but i i too have seen you know video footage i've been to farms where i i
• 42:37
  wouldn't trust anything that came off that farm personally you know so it's a good it's a good
• 42:43
  question you you you know if you're sitting there going oh this is crazy you know why do you
• 42:49
  wholeheartedly and totally like just blindly believe the milk that's on the shelf is okay
• 43:00
  what what is it that makes you feel is it because the government said so right that that that and
• 43:08
  and if so you know i i don't want to cause any kind of like you know glitch to occur for you
• 43:17
  but at the same time, maybe you should question that. Maybe you should at least question that,
• 43:21
  right? I'm not saying, you know, change your mindset or anything else, but, but maybe go back
• 43:26
  to like, you know, just question it. Like, like put yourself through the questions of, of why,
• 43:33
  you know, why, why is this safer? What makes this safer than the farm I can go visit and talk to
• 43:39
  that is literally feeding their own children with the product they're creating. Uh, and that's not
• 43:45
  okay. But this factory farm that I can't get, I can't, you can't even get on the property.
• 43:50
  They wouldn't even let you near their operation period. They won't. And in fact, part of that is
• 43:56
  government regulations, right? You need to go through all your, your, uh, biosafety training
• 44:03
  and everything else to be able to go on these things right now. You know, I am not saying you
• 44:08
  can't, you probably could with the right, you know, work and everything else, but they're going
• 44:13
  to make you go through a bunch of biosafety protocols and everything else they're not just
• 44:17
  going to allow you to walk up and see what's going on right and i'm not saying that you know regular
• 44:22
  farmer doesn't have those in place they do but you can observe from a distance there and they won't
• 44:29
  they won't be like no you know you can't whereas most factory farms would be like a hell no no
• 44:35
  we're not we're not open to people right right i mean i'm sure there's some of that you know
• 44:41
  as a liability they don't want people getting hurt on their property but you know the other part of it
• 44:45
  is it is you know it is it is liability it's regulation it's it's you know biosecurity right
• 44:53
  they have to be you know secure in their product and their stuff and part of it is through is
• 44:59
  because they don't want bad press they've done that before they opened up and next thing you
• 45:04
  know you've got documentary films coming from Michael Moore on the factory farming and you know
• 45:10
  These guys take a hit. This is their livelihood. So it's not just as simple as, oh, well, because of government regulations. No, some of it has to do with they've been exposed by people being on their farms before.
• 45:24
  so you know there is that and there's you know a known issue on on large farms and i'm not saying
• 45:34
  that it's a prevalent issue i'm not saying that it's even an issue that is even you know in every
• 45:39
  state across all of these large farms but there there is a known issue of animal abuse going on
• 45:47
  as well uh you know so those are the other things you know they most of those farms they want nothing
• 45:54
  do with that because that's just bad publicity and next thing you know they're you know tanking
• 45:59
  and going bankrupt and losing their farm right right so those are the bigger the bigger corporate
• 46:06
  conglomerations i would i would assume you know that yeah very very very large companies yeah
• 46:13
  well it does yeah exactly but it doesn't even have to be a large farm
• 46:18
  right so when you see these chicken houses right and you go by one thing i think a lot of people
• 46:25
  don't understand is that's not the farmers chicken houses right no those are tyson food corp those
• 46:32
  are pilgrim food corp those are these guys come in the farmer signs a loan and basically repays
• 46:39
  through operations over time until they own that and what they typically do is once they get to a
• 46:45
  point where they've paid off enough and they're, they're in good shape and they're making money,
• 46:49
  a little bit of money is they'll do another one for another chicken house. And so you'll see a
• 46:54
  farmer have one big bro, you know, chicken house. And then maybe a few years later, you'll see
• 46:59
  another one. And then maybe, you know, a couple of years later, you'll see another two come in,
• 47:04
  you know, and, and usually I haven't seen many of them around here, at least that are more than
• 47:09
  five or six of them on a single property.
• 47:14
  That doesn't mean they don't exist, but that's kind of how that operates.
• 47:18
  So these are family farms that have grown.
• 47:21
  They're in the corporate world because they've essentially signed up with a corporate conglomerate
• 47:27
  type of a situation, and they help fund infrastructure, and they help fund.
• 47:33
  It's kind of like setting up a franchise, right?
• 47:35
  so you've got the name brand you've got the sales avenue you've got you know a plan you've got the
• 47:43
  processes the biosecurity is laid out you know exactly how it's built what's inside it how it
• 47:49
  comes everything is laid out for you right so you know not a bad deal for a farmer
• 47:54
  yeah i've been to one of those facilities before it i i don't think it would be enjoyable to live
• 48:03
  been one is a chicken but that's that's neither here nor there uh yeah i i i was delivering uh
• 48:10
  some concrete out to to a place uh one of those you know long chicken building things and
• 48:16
  it was actually pretty miserable that the the space that they kind of crammed them into and
• 48:23
  the the flies the flies were horrible or i couldn't even roll the windows down to the on
• 48:30
  the truck because if you did there would be a hundred flies in there within a matter of seconds
• 48:34
  oh yeah yeah and the smell flies the smell yeah well and part of that is the density
• 48:41
  you've got a very dense cohabitation uh you've got you know obviously manure when things are that
• 48:48
  dense right there's no way to get around that you don't see a lot of manure i mean there's manure
• 48:53
  in our pastures you don't see a lot of manure there because we have enough pasture space for
• 48:58
  the animals excuse me so yeah and and we use things these little uh they're basically wasps
• 49:07
  but they're tiny they're they're like you know the size of a gnat literally they can't hurt you
• 49:14
  they can't do anything to you so no no sweat what they do is they go find the larvae of the the
• 49:20
  flies and then they attack them right and so we we get these things called fly predators is what
• 49:27
  they're called fly predators i don't know what the scientific name of those are i i've seen it i i've
• 49:33
  but it's not a name that i've remembered um but we set those out and basically as they hatch they
• 49:39
  just go out find the larvae and you know basically stop the fly population from reproducing so it's
• 49:47
  been a huge difference but yeah that's another problem right nice but i mean their whole reason
• 49:53
  for those farms is how you can get a what four dollar
• 49:55
  foroster at a costco or or sam's club i don't think there'd be any other way to
• 50:01
  do that no unless you're going that dense and
• 50:05
  that you know that many uh there there isn't really a way to do
• 50:09
  that on the flip side you know that's that's where government
• 50:13
  you know subsidies start to come in and stuff like this like the most recent
• 50:17
  bird flu thing right and they just cull
• 50:21
  entire farms, not just a chicken house. I mean, sometimes it's just the house, but quite typically
• 50:28
  they'll call the whole farm. And one of the ways they do this, I'm not saying this is how they do
• 50:34
  it all the time, but one of the ways they do this is they flood that entire environment with foam
• 50:40
  and suffocate all the chickens. Now, to give you an idea, these chickens are in very little space
• 50:49
  to themselves and they're in one of those houses so they are stacked in there and then you see
• 50:55
  trucks full of carcasses and they take them to the dump and dump them
• 51:00
  it's pretty interesting yeah well whatever you do don't don't look up uh how expiration date
• 51:08
  started in the yeah so another interesting thing and you kind of alluded to this in the beginning
• 51:17
  right is uh you know one of the presentations was was talking about uh you know uh protection
• 51:23
  raw milk offers people and the the title the the header on it is raw milk protects against asthma
• 51:31
  and allergies really um four european studies have all given the same results drinking raw
• 51:37
  milk is highly protective against asthma allergies and eczema children all right and this is in
• 51:46
  Lancet 2001, October 6th, I believe,
• 51:53
  as well as in J allergy synimmunol in 2006, January,
• 52:02
  as well as in clinical and experimental allergy
• 52:05
  2007 may as well as in the journal of allergy and clinical immunology online august 29 to 2011
• 52:15
  most recent study showed that boiling the milk removed the perfect the protective effect these
• 52:22
  findings dovetail with numerous reports we have received of children recovering from asthma
• 52:27
  allergies and eczema when consuming raw milk asthma kills around 5,500 people every year
• 52:36
  okay and the solution to the milk problem the milk problem was solved predominantly by outlawing
• 52:45
  inner city swill dairies right and these are again places that just unsanitary they're just
• 52:53
  you know, basically creating the dregs of milk, uh, improved hygiene, right. We've learned a lot,
• 53:00
  right. Uh, a lot of the, the, you know, outbreaks we've seen of other things, uh, come down to
• 53:08
  sanitary conditions, like people not washing their freaking hands. Oh man. Don't even get me started
• 53:13
  on that. It, it, dude, it, it, every time, like, so like normally when we go to Sam's club, we,
• 53:20
  we fill up with,
• 53:21
  with gas before we go in there and I'm like a hand washer.
• 53:24
  It was just one of my things.
• 53:26
  So I'll go in the bathroom,
• 53:27
  wash my hands.
• 53:27
  It amazes me every time people coming out of the stall,
• 53:31
  coming off of the urinal,
• 53:33
  dude,
• 53:33
  right out the door.
• 53:34
  It,
• 53:34
  it,
• 53:35
  so like,
• 53:36
  I'm not a handshaker.
• 53:37
  I don't,
• 53:38
  I don't really,
• 53:38
  unless I know you,
• 53:40
  I don't probably hug you,
• 53:42
  but they would like,
• 53:43
  and then,
• 53:43
  you know,
• 53:44
  like I'm not being unfriendly.
• 53:46
  I shake your hand.
• 53:48
  Yeah.
• 53:48
  I'm not being unfriendly.
• 53:49
  It's like, it's, it's gross, man.
• 53:52
  I just can't believe that many people just don't care.
• 53:57
  Well, and it's worse.
• 53:59
  What I was referencing was more along the, the, the lines of, you know,
• 54:03
  viral outbreaks that have occurred.
• 54:05
  And a lot of those, you know, were solved by improved hygiene,
• 54:10
  literally sanitization and improved hygiene. Right.
• 54:13
  Another thing that has been a big solution to the milk problem is improved water treatment, as well as the replacement of the horse with the car.
• 54:27
  Sounds weird, but there's no poo on the streets all over the place anymore, right?
• 54:32
  Well, I mean, a couple of towns that I don't want to call them out by name, but there might be some poop in the street.
• 54:40
  Okay.
• 54:41
  They're a poop map.
• 54:42
  yeah that's okay but we don't have raw milk producers in that no no doing that on the street
• 54:50
  like we used to uh the certified raw milk movement which is a reality right there was a a whole
• 54:58
  you know thing and there still is right uh i can't remember the name of the foundation
• 55:04
  go back here i don't have it um yeah but okay so it's it's a it's an organization i can't recall
• 55:17
  the name of it i think it starts with a w but their site is www.realmilk.com they've got some
• 55:27
  great stuff on there as well if you're interested in learning a little bit if you're interested in
• 55:31
  getting some some more information as well and we will continue to do some more uh
• 55:37
  informationals on this particular topic because as i said there's so much here uh that that i i
• 55:45
  just didn't have time to scratch the surface man i would have had to spend weeks of all day every
• 55:52
  day and i can't spend that kind of time on this sort of thing right so it's it's been quite the
• 55:58
  rabbit hole um and as far as it goes what i'm seeing is is a very very very hardcore push away
• 56:07
  from raw milk uh and we even said that pasteurization was great and now we're going to
• 56:15
  ultra pasteurized but why was there a problem with pasteurization
• 56:22
  do we need to like make it even more pasteurized i yeah no i didn't ever even really thought about
• 56:30
  that so yeah they've uh changed that too huh that will go look for something that's not ultra
• 56:36
  pasteurized in your local grocery store right just try and find regular pasteurized milk
• 56:41
  well find finding the raw milk was a challenge so when we got back home and we tried to find it here
• 56:46
  uh the the options were very very few so sprouts actually did have some goat milk but still you i
• 56:55
  don't know where it's coming from you know and it is labeled for for pet consumption only i think
• 57:00
  you know by law they all have to have that then it was uh very expensive in our states they do
• 57:07
  i think there you know there are other states uh i think uh some of the western states uh actually actually allow the sale of ramen for consumption My state in particular does allow herd share
• 57:23
  So you can go to a farmer and say, yes, I would like to buy a share of herd or maybe multiples if they even allow that.
• 57:32
  They may not.
• 57:32
  most of them contain it to one share which gets you you know a a quantity per x amount of time
• 57:40
  of product right okay um so yeah yeah when we first when we first wanted it we like they told
• 57:50
  us we don't have enough product for everybody that's wanting it so i mean goats apparently
• 57:55
  don't make as much as you know a huge dairy cow so so it was that we had to get on a waiting list
• 58:01
  and kind of work our way up there.
• 58:02
  And, you know, we get it every week now.
• 58:05
  My wife is making the key for herself.
• 58:07
  So we have to kind of keep it going.
• 58:12
  Yeah, their production's a third to a sixth of a cow,
• 58:19
  of a dairy cow.
• 58:20
  So depending on the goat, right, and the cow.
• 58:25
  It's going to wildly vary.
• 58:27
  um but uh yeah cow i think is anywhere from four to seven gallons of milk per milking
• 58:34
  right and a goat is you know somewhere between uh half and and one and a half gallons per milking
• 58:40
  depending on the goat yeah we were just out there the other day and uh yeah they all they all have
• 58:45
  names they get about i think 30 of them maybe 40 and they they all look healthy and you know
• 58:51
  yeah i went with you yeah you were out there pretty little farm yeah happy animals it's all
• 59:02
  you can ask for man if animals look happy you're probably in the right place right you know that's
• 59:08
  that's that's a thing very true as a human as a human being i think most of us are endowed with
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  the ability to see an animal and be able to recognize whether they're happy or not
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  that's true that's true some people without conscience don't don't really care but
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  i guess they do not care but i think they can still recognize that right i would imagine maybe
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  not but um yeah so this this is an interesting thing and really the the thing that just come
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  keeps coming back to me is why is this stance so hardcore on this so have you figured out that
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  reason yet or no i have not okay and i am i am hitting brick wall after brick wall uh in trying
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  to get further i mean i actually had a couple sessions with some ai as well and started going
• 1:00:05
  down that rabbit hole and then got stonewalled i mean like you were talking about the
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  i'm sorry like you were talking about the marijuana thing it kind of sounds similar to that like they
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  just came across like with this stance that it has no use of anything and nobody should consume it
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  and then they put out you know the propaganda to make everybody believe that yeah which and and
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  that's what it's it feels like right uh the the ai sessions went to stonewalling and then
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  you know even to the point of of telling me why it was dangerous and don't do it and you know
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  here's more studies on why you can't or why this is better or this is healthier and you know blah
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  blah blah blah blah and i'm like okay well what about this side and they're like oh no but you
• 1:00:51
  you need to understand the risks and it's it's bad and blah blah blah and i'm like well why and
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  they're like oh because all this and i'm like but hasn't been solved with sanitization and
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  you know hygiene and and a number of other issues you know things including tools etc
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  and they're like yes but no i wonder if well uh hygiene is better people sterilize their buckets
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  everything la la la but it's dangerous don't do it it'll die i mean i guess it could be dangerous
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  if you try to milk a bull or something maybe i don't know that's a bad idea unless you got the
• 1:01:31
  bull pinned up real and he's in the mood uh in which case i don't know why you're doing this or
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  why i even thought about that why did you bring that no we're not going there don't milk mail
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  but okay i'm stopping now nope nope nope nope nope
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  just freaking no uh and everybody will be happy to know that this this episode will actually come
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  and any associated episode with this content on raw milk
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  is going to come with its own thumbnail as well.
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  So you'll easily be able to pick them out,
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  create a nice little custom one.
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  I think everyone will recognize it sometime.
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  I'm going to give it away.
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  I think you'll be able to see it and go,
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  ha, that's good.
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  You know we hit big time if we get the blue warning box on YouTube that says that the federal government has discouraged the drinking of raw milk and you know has a whole disclaimer thing about there Yeah I wouldn be surprised if they have one
• 1:02:33
  Yeah.
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  I fully expect we're going to get informational notes as well as potentially
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  community notes on this one. And that's fine. Right.
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  I think this is a topic worthy of discussion, debate, and actual study.
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  I really do. And to date,
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  there hasn't been, it's all really been one-sided, right? Everything has been around
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  why it's bad, why you shouldn't do it, why pasteurization is good and just as good as,
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  and things like this. But the studies that were planned for raw milk all seemed to evaporate,
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  vaporize, et cetera. And keep in mind that these studies are largely funded by government grants.
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  don't get me wrong there are private endowments as well towards studies but if they get pressure
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  you know it's likely you're not going to see a study on that i'm not saying that that is the
• 1:03:33
  case here however that one instance where the coronet magazine came out and did this thing
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  and nuked a study on tooth decay and this was in the 40s it has never been done since
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  that's why that's 70 was 75 years ago they were going to do it and then this fake article
• 1:03:54
  does this sound like something you might have heard somewhere in recent times
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  yeah it's just a and that's where you know it gets deep man it's like how do you you know
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  researching this stuff is insane oh and by the way i've got some cdc links that are going to be
• 1:04:14
  in this as well uh where they the page no longer exists but the internet does not forget and thanks
• 1:04:23
  to the amazing folks at archive.org and the way back machine i have a copy of that page
• 1:04:31
  so you will have a link to it it will be from archive.org it's going to be a relevant really
• 1:04:37
  long link. And if you look at the link, you'll notice that in the middle of it, it'll have a
• 1:04:43
  ref statement and it'll say the cdc.gov slash, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 1:04:49
  blah, blah, blah, blah, dot PDF. And it's, it's the full link. So we will make sure we get those
• 1:04:55
  out. I will put them on, on the line groups. I'll put them, uh, I will try to put them up on the X
• 1:05:02
  account as well and we'll definitely put these all as well as some show notes etc into the
• 1:05:09
  telegram channel um and uh yeah the telegram channel is you can get to it by putting in a
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  web browser t.me slash space tomatoes that should get you straight to us that's the channel to get
• 1:05:28
  into the chat discussion just go to the comment under the first post there and you will be in our
• 1:05:36
  chat group so if you want to chat with us live you can if you've got ideas for a show that's a great
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  place to put it um etc and uh let me make sure that i have that address correct yes i did t.me
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  slash space
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  tomatoes
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  to be easy enough
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  and if anybody
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  I like reading the comments if anybody has had
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  any personal experience
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  or maybe they
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  completely disagree with what we have to say
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  leave a comment down
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  below let us know
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  maybe if
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  raw milk has killed you let us know
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  we'd like to hear your story
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  if you have died
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  consuming raw milk please leave a comment so we can get you on the show
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  we'll come to you in person studio visit because you're dead so i'm sorry that wasn't nice i hope
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  nobody has no no we don't want anybody to get sick to my research uh what i've found is the
• 1:06:42
  numbers are are are everywhere on that uh but none of them are outside of the single digit range
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  in the last 25 plus years okay so uh none of them um so that's again 10 million people
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  single digit range uh i know there are plenty of things right now and car crashes kill 55 000
• 1:07:10
  people every year right uh spinach has killed 50 people in the last 20 years two people per year
• 1:07:20
  just from spinach if pop i only knew ah man he'd be sad he would he'd just be like dude
• 1:07:28
  hello hey olive you pretty good at that hey you know practice make stupid or something So we going to have an episode part two about raw milk
• 1:07:44
  Oh, without question.
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  I'm actually going to try to get a guest, maybe two, on.
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  I'm going to try to get two guests so that we can do a little panel and a back and forth.
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  Nice.
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  Right?
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  Yeah. I'd like to, I'd like to hear, you know, on, on this, both sides of the story, right. Um, you know, but, you know, keep in mind, I'm not looking for a rabid person on either side of that spectrum.
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  like you know someone who is logical and and able to you know without getting
• 1:08:23
  hyper emotional you know kind of detail out what you know what the reality is what the facts are
• 1:08:31
  and what their thoughts are on both sides right um so yeah but uh yeah another big note if you
• 1:08:39
  happen to be a farmer that, you know, deals with this, that deals with raw milk, uh, sales that
• 1:08:46
  would like to sell your raw milk to people, but can't, uh, or any other circumstance like that,
• 1:08:52
  please, you know, let us know. We'd love to have you on the show. Would love to hear what your,
• 1:08:58
  your thoughts are. Um, you know, your opinions, your facts, your everything, right. Um, and it's
• 1:09:05
  a great way to promote your farm to maybe at least 30 people that's that's a lot 30 that's big 34 i
• 1:09:13
  thought right well on just youtube there's more there's more and they keep growing i don't know
• 1:09:20
  yeah i gotta join the telegram thing i think that sounds pretty pretty interesting good yeah
• 1:09:25
  all right so we'll keep promoting it and letting people know but right now it's fairly dead um
• 1:09:32
  But it is a good place.
• 1:09:33
  The other good thing about Telegram is the video is there for you to download.
• 1:09:37
  So you can download it to your computer or download it to your phone
• 1:09:40
  and watch it on your own device without any connection.
• 1:09:43
  That's handy.
• 1:09:43
  So, yeah, I think so.
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  I do that quite often.
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  Hmm.
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  Nice.
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  It's nice.
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  Yeah.
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  So I think it's about all I had for today.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, yeah.
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  I don't know that much more about it.
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  But you've been.
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  All right.
• 1:10:02
  You've been kicking it in.
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  I have a lot more than I just said.
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  I just, you know, I've been scrambling to try and piece it together so that there's coherent statements in here that are backed up with something.
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  Right.
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  You know, it's one thing to just tell you what my thoughts are on the subject.
• 1:10:19
  It's an entirely different thing to give you some information.
• 1:10:22
  Right.
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  And we wanted to give you both.
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  So.
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  Knowledge is power.
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  Right.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:10:31
  And more research is needed on this because it's definitely something that's been suppressed in a number of ways, right?
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  Legislatively, you know, in a number of ways.
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  If you're interested in looking at the results of something like where this goes wrong and how farmers get treated on this, you can look up the Amos Miller.
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  A-M-O-S Miller.
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  Sounds like it is.
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  I'm not going to spell it for you.
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  If you can't spell Miller, I don't know.
• 1:11:05
  Go look at a beer bottle.
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  Same right there.
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  And look at his story.
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  Look at what happened with his farm and why.
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  right and and you know you kind of look at that and just go really i mean honestly so anyway i think
• 1:11:25
  that is about where i want to leave this right here um and and again we're going to put all this
• 1:11:29
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• 1:11:36
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