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Stephen Smith: Grisly Crime Scene Photos Analyzed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. The photos are out there now.
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Speaker 1: They are photos I believe first used by HBO in
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Speaker 1: an investigative special they did on the Murdogs and including
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Speaker 1: Stephen Smith's death now ruled a homicide. In these photos
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Speaker 1: which we are not showing, but they've been picked up
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Speaker 1: on many outlets and publicized. There are photos of Stephen
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Speaker 1: Smith's body lying literally on the yellow line in the
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Speaker 1: center of the road, and you see his blood on
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Speaker 1: the road, and I can only imagine and what that's
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Speaker 1: doing to his mother, Sandy. This with the backdrop of
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Speaker 1: Alex and Murdog's and his family's home, his possessions, personal
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Speaker 1: photos of family trips and vacations, everything has gone all
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Speaker 1: the block, netting several million dollars. We also learn, as
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Speaker 1: Stephen Smith case is bubbling, we learned that Alexe Murdogg
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Speaker 1: may have planned the murders of at least Maggie, not
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Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul, up to six months prior to the
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Speaker 1: double homicide. I Nancy Grace, guys, thanks for being with
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Speaker 1: us with me. A real expert. Chris McDonough, star of
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Speaker 1: the Interview Room on YouTube. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: Cold Case Foundation dot org. But he is the former
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Speaker 1: homicide detective with well over three hundred homicide cases investigations
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Speaker 1: under his belt. You know, Chris mcdonna, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I'll hardly know where to start with
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Speaker 1: all of this, but let's just start with the crime
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Speaker 1: scene photos. I don't want to show them of Steven
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Speaker 1: Smith's body. I don't think that's what his mother wants
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Speaker 1: right now, but I have seen them, having been pulled
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Speaker 1: from the program on HBO Max, the one I want
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Speaker 1: you to give me your opinion one. First of all,
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Speaker 1: his positioned directly on the center line, the yellow line.
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Speaker 1: You've driven the road, as have I. It's really dark,
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Speaker 1: no street lights, nothing. And I'm telling you, Chris mcdonna,
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Speaker 1: I know you drove it. I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: drove it at night, but you can see a vehicle
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Speaker 1: coming I'm not kidding a mile away, and on this stretch,
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Speaker 1: it's not a curve. It's not like the car could
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Speaker 1: suddenly come out from around a curve and mow him down.
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Speaker 1: He would have seen a car coming mile literally miles away. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think you know you've pointed it out here on
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Speaker 1: your show that when you first see this photograph of
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Speaker 1: this young man laying dead center in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the road, you do have to ask yourselves, well, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute. There was a car that obviously passed him,
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Speaker 1: that called nine one one and said, hey, there's somebody
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the road. You need to get
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Speaker 1: the police out here because somebody's quote going to hit
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Speaker 1: him end quote. Well we go back and we look
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Speaker 1: at this photograph and we think to ourselves, will, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, how did this young man get into that
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Speaker 1: position if there was an automobile accident. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: like he's lying there on his back like in a
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Speaker 1: movie staged and his legs have bent over at the
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Speaker 1: knee to his left, and he's lying there. One arm
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Speaker 1: is left, arm down right beside him, literally placed in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the road. Now, if you keep looking,
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Speaker 1: you see, and this is really important. I'd like you
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Speaker 1: to look at the photo of him. Where you see
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Speaker 1: the blood. It doesn't look like his body has been
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Speaker 1: dragged any distance at all. It looks like the blood
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Speaker 1: is originating from under his head and slowly going off
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Speaker 1: to his right. It's not like he was hit and
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Speaker 1: you see blood along the road to where his body is.
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Speaker 1: It looks like the blood originates right there where he's
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Speaker 1: lying and then just he bleeds out from there. There's
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Speaker 1: no indication that his body was hit by a car
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Speaker 1: and moved any distance at all. Agree. I agree. And
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Speaker 1: if you look, if we look even further to your
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Speaker 1: point at his upper right arm that's sticking out, he
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Speaker 1: appears to have some type of blood transfer that is
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Speaker 1: emanating towards the top of his arm where the majority
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Speaker 1: of the blood is at the bottom on the roadway.
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Speaker 1: So at some point, either a he had to be
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Speaker 1: moving or b he was moved that would cause that
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Speaker 1: type of transfer. Now that would have to be examined
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Speaker 1: a little bit closer, but that is also another part
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Speaker 1: of this blood pattern analysis share that just sticks out
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Speaker 1: almost immediately. The position of his legs as well. NaN's him,
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Speaker 1: and you've commented on it numerous times about how they're
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Speaker 1: just folded there. What I would be interested in knowing
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Speaker 1: is that the autopsy are there impressions or bruising underneath
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Speaker 1: the ankles where his legs are positioned, because that will
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Speaker 1: tell us if potentially somebody carried him from the top
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Speaker 1: somebody at the top I underneath his arms, which would
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Speaker 1: cause that potential transfer on the right arm or at
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Speaker 1: the bottom a second person by the ankle's position in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the roadway. Okay, could you say that
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Speaker 1: one more time about the position of the legs of
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Speaker 1: Steven Smith's legs. I mean, I've never I've handled a
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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of dead body cases, homicide suicides.
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Speaker 1: I've never except for a woman that was lying in bed.
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Speaker 1: She was lying in bed when her husband murdered her
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Speaker 1: and set it up to look like suicide. That's the
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Speaker 1: only time I've ever seen someone just lying there like
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Speaker 1: sleeping beauty. Until this, usually you know their limbs or
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Speaker 1: askew and odd, odd configurations that don't look natural. Here,
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Speaker 1: it's like he's been lying there reading and he just
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Speaker 1: his legs folded over and he's just lying there. You
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Speaker 1: would you repeat your analysis one more time? Yes, And
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Speaker 1: that is typically into a potential indication that the body
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Speaker 1: was picked up and moved to this position, not that
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Speaker 1: the young man was walking in the middle of the
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Speaker 1: roadway and was struck by a car and ended up
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Speaker 1: in this position. But this positioning, I would submit to you,
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Speaker 1: is more consistent with potentially even two people moving this
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Speaker 1: body to this point because you would have to have
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Speaker 1: somebody at the ankles, and you would have to have
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Speaker 1: somebody at the top and typically under the armpit shoulders,
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Speaker 1: as if you're doing the remember the old fireman carry
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Speaker 1: yep where you yeah, and then kind of somebody get
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Speaker 1: the ankles and then middle the boom drop him and
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Speaker 1: if they dropped him hypothetically, and that would cause the
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Speaker 1: type of head bleed that we're seeing. There. What I'm
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Speaker 1: not seeing and I would like to see the autopsic photographs,
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Speaker 1: is any onset of lividity not We're not able to
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Speaker 1: see that in these particular photographs. I don't see any don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't see any rigor. I would not expect his
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Speaker 1: legs to be in that position if rigor has set in.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about that? No, I
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Speaker 1: agree with you one hundred percent. I'm not seeing any
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the death of a teen boy,
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Speaker 1: Stephen Smith, that has been connected to the Murdog family.
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Speaker 1: The proximity of his body being within eight minutes of
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Speaker 1: the Murdog hunting lodge. I mean, is that a coincidence?
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Speaker 1: Now again, let me reiterate, Alex Murdoch's surviving son that
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Speaker 1: he didn't kill. Is Buster Murdog, who has vehemently denied
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Speaker 1: any connection to Stephen Smith's death. Now, is it a
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Speaker 1: coincidence that he's found so close to Moselle, the Murdoch
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Speaker 1: hunting lodge. And another thing, would that be his normal
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Speaker 1: route home from school? He was at school at night school,
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Speaker 1: studying nursing. Would that be his route home out in
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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere by Moselle. That is a great question.
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Speaker 1: And you know what's really eerie about this as well,
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Speaker 1: matching is right down the road about I think it's
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Speaker 1: less than four miles is where Mallory Beaches are lay
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Speaker 1: to rest. So if you lead the cemetery Ramlory Beaches
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Speaker 1: and go towards where Stephen Smith is found, they're on
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Speaker 1: the exact same road. And so that is there a
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Speaker 1: familiarity with this region right to this individual who potentially
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Speaker 1: did this. And that's what I started looking at internally
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Speaker 1: in my mind was okay, well, let's let's take a
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Speaker 1: look at this kid's shoes. And that's when I started
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Speaker 1: looking at his shoes because you know, everybody was talking
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Speaker 1: about you and I have talked about it here that
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Speaker 1: you know, it's a shipped by a car. Typically those
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Speaker 1: shoes are going to airborne, but in this case, his
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Speaker 1: shoes are on. And so you know, as we talk
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Speaker 1: even earlier today, those shoes tell us a lot of
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Speaker 1: information about the potential environments where the showman could have been.
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Speaker 1: You know, another issue I have with the car if
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Speaker 1: a car was traveling I haven't heard anyone asked this.
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Speaker 1: If a car is traveling down that road at the
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Speaker 1: space limits fifty five at fifty five, would it the boy?
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't there be an indication that Stephen Smith was, you know,
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Speaker 1: tumble down the road, pushed down the road and stead
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Speaker 1: of just lying there in one fixed position. Yes, And
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Speaker 1: you would typically see what remember what road rap you
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Speaker 1: would typically see, especially on asphalt like this, you may
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Speaker 1: even see the body and being, you know, just bones
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Speaker 1: broken in various places. And if this was a hypothetical
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Speaker 1: a mirror you know, strike, then you're going to see
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Speaker 1: parts of that mirror. You may even see parts of
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Speaker 1: the skull, because if there's a high velocity of a
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Speaker 1: vehicle and impacting a stationary object such as a human body,
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Speaker 1: you're going to have a lot of damage that mirror.
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Speaker 1: Potentially you're going to see those parts there. And I
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Speaker 1: think that was a huge red flag for the Shoth
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Speaker 1: Carolina Highest Patrol going getting into this break from the
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Speaker 1: get call. Now the murdog family is saying they had
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with Stephen Smith's death. Number One, the
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Speaker 1: body is in very close proximity to Moselle, the Murdog
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Speaker 1: hunting lodge where Gloria Satterfield met her death and Paul
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Speaker 1: and Maggie Murdoch met their death death. Also we have
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Speaker 1: Randy Murdog, the brother of double killer Alex Murdog. According
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Speaker 1: to Stephanie Smith, now that is Stephen Smith's sister, quote,
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Speaker 1: Randy Murdog was the second person to call my dad
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Speaker 1: after the coroner. That's quite the coincidence, isn't it that
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Speaker 1: at that time, right after the coroner calls are Murdog
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Speaker 1: calls Randy Murdog, second person to call my dad after
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Speaker 1: the coroner. He wanted to take the case and said
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Speaker 1: it would be free of charge. That's a creepy echo,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. That's what Murdog Alex Murdoch said to the
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Speaker 1: Sadderfield family. Yeah, boy, doesn't that sound strange? At four
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Speaker 1: o'clock in the mornial That all of a shad lugino.
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Speaker 1: There's an attorney involved right from the gut goal. The
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Speaker 1: investigation hasn't even kicked off yet. Okay, speaking of Alex Murdagg,
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Speaker 1: I mean coincidence. Yes, I never believe in coincidence. Is
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Speaker 1: when it comes to criminal law, but I can't build
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Speaker 1: a case on a coincidence or rumors or gossip at
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Speaker 1: the Pig Louigly. But I do want to talk to
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Speaker 1: you about another issue regarding Alex and murdag. Chris mcdunna.
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdunna is joining me from the interview room. You
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Speaker 1: can find him on YouTube. That's his YouTube channel. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the startling, the disturbing facts emerging
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Speaker 1: that Alex Murdog may have planned Maggie's death at least
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Speaker 1: six months before he murdered her. What's that theory all about?
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna. So I interview Mark Tinsley, who is the
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Speaker 1: right the attorney from Malory Beach. He tells us and
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Speaker 1: tells me that I went back him to Maggie's Facebook
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Speaker 1: post and I was trying to establish and you'll know
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Speaker 1: the legal terminology to this better than anybody answer, But
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Speaker 1: what he was to try to establish was did did
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Speaker 1: the Murdochs have this knowledge that Paul was a heavy drinker?
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Speaker 1: And if show, could he tie that into the boat
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Speaker 1: crash potentially Paul being the driver? And if show, does
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Speaker 1: that show you know, a liability to the family because
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Speaker 1: they knew that this young man and had a propensity
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Speaker 1: towards you know, reckless behavior. Show what he did is
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Speaker 1: he went to the Facebook page screenshot all of Maggie's
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Speaker 1: post involving Paul in you know, poses with alcohol. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's got pictures of him on the beach, he s
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Speaker 1: got pictures of you know, him drinking at the bars,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And the list goes on. And what was
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Speaker 1: interesting about that? And remember he testified about that in
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Speaker 1: Mornoch's trial. But but he told me, he said, the
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Speaker 1: light didn't go on until after the conviction, or excuse me,
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Speaker 1: until after I started hearing additional evidence in the trial.
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Speaker 1: That wait a minute, when he went to Alec and
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Speaker 1: this was part of the blow up right at the
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Speaker 1: Lawyers Association meeting and hitting him when he went in
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Speaker 1: to talk to Alec, or when al approached him. He
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Speaker 1: gave Alec the opportunity to get Maggie out of the
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Speaker 1: out of the case. He did not he did not
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Speaker 1: want to shoe Maggie. And he told him about this
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Speaker 1: information that he had and submitted it to Murdoch's attorney
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Speaker 1: then at that point, and it was he said about
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Speaker 1: thirty days later Alec refused to basically, you know, let
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Speaker 1: it in. And so what Mark Tinsley said was, I
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Speaker 1: was shocked that this guy was throwing his wife under
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Speaker 1: the bush six months before any of this started to
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Speaker 1: come together. And it was at that moment he had
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Speaker 1: the aha moment after the murders, and this is what
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Speaker 1: he brought to the solicitor's office in the age said, look,
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Speaker 1: there's more to this. This guy's been thinking about this
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Speaker 1: for quite some time. Because he had the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: kick Maggie. Alex Murlog had the choice, the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: remove Maggie from the lawsuit, but he didn't. He did
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Speaker 1: not remove Who wouldn't remove their own wife or husband
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Speaker 1: from a lawsuit for you know, they're gunning for you.
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Speaker 1: Why drag the spouse into it? And he didn't. So
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Speaker 1: how does that tell you he had planned the murder
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Speaker 1: since that moment? Well, it goes to right, malice of
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Speaker 1: forethought and what was he premeditating this whole thing? And
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Speaker 1: now we tie that into the statement that the sister
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Speaker 1: in law tells him when she or that she heard
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Speaker 1: from him when he asked her, when she asked him,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, and he makes the comment the person that
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Speaker 1: did this has been thinking about this a very long time.
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Speaker 1: You're right, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know one
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Speaker 1: thing that it just hit me about Stephen Smith? What
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Speaker 1: about this, Chris mcdonnaugh. I was told that the blue chips,
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Speaker 1: the microscopic chips on Stephen Smith's remains, were discovered at
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Speaker 1: the funeral home, not at the crime lab. If that's true,
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Speaker 1: the crime lab has a lot of explaining to do.
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Speaker 1: And if that's true, that means that that shirt may
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Speaker 1: not still be in existence to be analyzed unless the
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Speaker 1: mother took it and kept it. Yeah, I agree with you,
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Speaker 1: And there's you know, we also have to have to
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Speaker 1: ask ourselves what else potentially have they missed and do
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Speaker 1: they have it even in the chain of custody. Is
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Speaker 1: it somewhere? Hopefully we can we can pray that sled
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Speaker 1: has that chain of custody correctly. Well, I mean, if
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Speaker 1: the sure the blue chips are found at the funeral home,
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Speaker 1: there is no longer a chain of custody. I mean
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Speaker 1: that's over because it's been in the hands of the
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Speaker 1: funeral home and then I guess given back to the family.
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Speaker 1: If the paint hips and I'm talking about microscopic. I
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Speaker 1: don't mean like a paint ship that you take two
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Speaker 1: lows to try to match up paint. Not that kind
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Speaker 1: of chip, not that big. But if it were, if
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Speaker 1: they were discovered at the funeral home, we're up the
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Speaker 1: creek without a paddle on chain of custody. Yeah, yes, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever got anything like that in
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Speaker 1: in your experience? Yes, I have. I have gotten something
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Speaker 1: in where I could show why the chain was broken
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Speaker 1: and I could vouch for where the item had been
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Speaker 1: during the break in the chain. So I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just that's bad. That is bad for the state
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Speaker 1: because those chips could be invaluable. What if they're not
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Speaker 1: chips off of a car. What if there are chips
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Speaker 1: off something else. What have their particles from I don't
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Speaker 1: know about. I don't know what they're from. But if
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Speaker 1: I can't introduce it into evidence because there's no chain
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Speaker 1: of custody, it doesn't even matter. I mean, there's got
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Speaker 1: to be a legal exception for cases like this where
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Speaker 1: you find evidence and it was not kept in a
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Speaker 1: chain of custody. That's a whole other animal we're going
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Speaker 1: to have to deal with. But back to I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to get your opinion on that. Back to Stephen
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Speaker 1: Smith as it relates to the murdogs. You've been to
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Speaker 1: the area and you've driven the roads. The fact that
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Speaker 1: this is so close to Moselle, the hunting Lodge, I mean,
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Speaker 1: can we just be realistic how many cars are out
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Speaker 1: there at that time of the night. I would say
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Speaker 1: it's going to be very limited traffic flow. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I know that South Carolina Hire Patrol even did a
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Speaker 1: traffic flow survey. I think that's on their mate report
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Speaker 1: on their notes. But also more interestingly in the traffic
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Speaker 1: flow into it Shell, the question's going to be he
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Speaker 1: knows this area, and show what's his habit pattern? I know,
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Speaker 1: as you know what we used to call a victrmology.
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Speaker 1: What does this young man typically do through habit? What
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Speaker 1: does this young man do? And from everything that we're
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Speaker 1: learning from his mother is walking in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the road and his sister confirms him was just completely
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Speaker 1: out of character for the sky. So then we have
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Speaker 1: to think about and I heard it on your show
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Speaker 1: where Eric Land mentioned an iPad, Well, we know where
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Speaker 1: this young man's phone is. Is this his iPad or
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Speaker 1: is this something that was discovered during the investigative process
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Speaker 1: on these other cases. I think when they're going to
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Speaker 1: be looking at on the phone, which sorry has been cracked.
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Speaker 1: They obviously got the password from a family member or
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Speaker 1: figured it out. I think they're going to be looking
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Speaker 1: at specifically who was he talking to, texting and calling
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Speaker 1: right up to the moment of his death. And I
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Speaker 1: think that they are going to be looking for any
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Speaker 1: evidence as it relates to an alleged upcoming deep sea
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Speaker 1: fishing trip with someone that was wealthy that either had
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Speaker 1: or could get a boat. That someone has been remained nameless.
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Speaker 1: He has remained nameless. He didn't say who, But that's
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Speaker 1: what they're going to be looking for. Plans to go
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Speaker 1: fishing that weekend, who was it with, who was the
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Speaker 1: anonymous suitor, the date, and who was he speaking to
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Speaker 1: that night. That's what they're going to be looking for
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Speaker 1: on that phone. Chris, Yeah, I agree with you in
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Speaker 1: that leads us into what we talk about here on
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Speaker 1: your show. Why those shoe potential at the bottom of
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Speaker 1: those shoes and even the top of those shoes could
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Speaker 1: be very significant in relationship to that wet mud and
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Speaker 1: the dry mud and the wet shoes because there is
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Speaker 1: no water source in the middle of that round. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't enerve no water source at all. So where did
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Speaker 1: that come from? Guys? In the last hours, we will
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Speaker 1: learn a Savannah woman actually finds Murdog family photos after
26:33
Speaker 1: bidding on a camera at the Murdog estate cell. The
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Speaker 1: estate cell netted a couple of million dollars. That's really
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Speaker 1: interesting to me that there were rims of family photos
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Speaker 1: that were undiscovered by SLED. I don't know if any
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Speaker 1: of them they were on memory cards, but that's something
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Speaker 1: I would have wanted to look at just to see what,
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Speaker 1: if anything, it would reveal. Chris. Yeah, and if the
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Speaker 1: search ward says any type of electronic devices, they missed it.
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Speaker 1: And you know, you're one hundred percent right, man, jam
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Speaker 1: And if I came to you as an investigator and
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Speaker 1: you the prosecutor, and I said, hey, we got a problem,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly the conversation we would be having, right, what
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Speaker 1: do you mean, what are you talking about? You know?
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Speaker 1: Eric Bland told us in the last couple of hours
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Speaker 1: that he is assembly a dream team to work on
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Speaker 1: this case, including doctor Kinsey. As you'll recall, Kinsey was
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Speaker 1: a huge home run on the case in the Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog double murder trial. Doctor Michelle Dupree is a fantastic
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Speaker 1: medical examiner, pathologist, former detective in the South Carolina jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: and others. I think it's going to take a team,
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Speaker 1: do you. Yeah. Absolutely, And it sounds like they've assembled
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Speaker 1: an amazing group of individuals who will be able to
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Speaker 1: think through this and bring hopefully some justice to the
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Speaker 1: Showman at least at least kickstarted. Yeah. First order of
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Speaker 1: business is getting the exclamation done. That is number one.
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna, thank you for joining us. We wait as
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Speaker 1: justice and false Goodbye.