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Phill Cain - Near Ultimate Victor On The Hardest Game Show Ever! Squid Games: The Challenge · Cats & Pudding with Jennifer Dilandro

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  Speaker 3: This is the Cats in Footing Podcast, a melting pot
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  Speaker 3: of footing and now here's Jen.
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  Speaker 4: Good afternoon everyone, and welcome to Kats and Pudding. And
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  Speaker 4: today I have a wonderful guest, mister Phil Kine, and
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  Speaker 4: he is from a great show that everybody knows. I've
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  Speaker 4: been talking about it for the last two years and
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  Speaker 4: it's called The Squid Games.
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  Speaker 3: So welcome Phil, Welcome to our show. I'm happy to
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  Speaker 3: have you here today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's stope to be here.
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  Speaker 3: You are You're awesome.
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  Speaker 4: And we met at at a party a couple a
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  Speaker 4: couple of months ago when we sure did connected and
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  Speaker 4: I thought you were great and I had said, you're
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  Speaker 4: not a character, but a character. And I really do
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  Speaker 4: love the show. I think it's a great show. Now
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  Speaker 4: we were just actually talking about this. How did you
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  Speaker 4: get on the show? How did it happen? And was
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  Speaker 4: it what you were expecting?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a funny story. So I've been
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  Speaker 1: following some casting pages and stuff online. I do a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of acting on the side, and so I
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  Speaker 1: saw the ad for the show and I just was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whatever, I'll apply. I never saw the original
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  Speaker 1: show or anything, so I was like, yeah, just like
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  Speaker 1: one of those things. And I never heard back from them.
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  Speaker 3: So the original show is a lot different.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So I found out because they ended up casting
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  Speaker 1: me like months and months and months later, and they
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  Speaker 1: sent me the information three days before I flew out,
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  Speaker 1: and so I had three days to catch up on
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  Speaker 1: the original show sort of figure out what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: And by that point I was like, Oh, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be one of those and so I just kind of
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  Speaker 1: went for it.
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  Speaker 3: So it was.
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  Speaker 4: But did you find it fine? Did you know what
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  Speaker 4: was a reality show or you thought it was?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we knew it was a reality show. They
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  Speaker 1: gave us very little information to go off of, though,
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  Speaker 1: like we didn't know anything that was going all, Like
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  Speaker 1: the twists and turns were all very real, like they were.
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  Speaker 1: They would tell us those things like literally as the
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  Speaker 1: show was happening, and so we knew it was a
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  Speaker 1: reality show, but I really didn't know what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not a big reality TV guy, so I've
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  Speaker 1: never really, you know, seen this kind of shows, like
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  Speaker 1: competition shows anything like that, So I just figured you
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  Speaker 1: want for me, I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a good time and don't meet some good people, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 4: Have you already invested in it at this point, but
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  Speaker 4: we were like, who are we Like, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: they're like like murdering people on this show. Is this
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  Speaker 4: gonna be like some crazy like thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna happen to me? It isn't like some weird
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  Speaker 3: twists and turns.
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  Speaker 1: So they did specify in the original contract that they
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  Speaker 1: would not be murdering us, So that was that would
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  Speaker 1: be like the first thing like, hey, this is not real.
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  Speaker 3: No murder will take place.
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  Speaker 1: It's not real exactly. However, when we were in the show,
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  Speaker 1: it definitely felt like some people were dying because like
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  Speaker 1: people would get eliminated, like these close friends that you
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  Speaker 1: made over like these weeks and weeks and then you
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  Speaker 1: would never see them again. And like know, Netflix is
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  Speaker 1: like clapping them in the parking lot outside or like
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  Speaker 1: anything like that until we got out. So it was
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  Speaker 1: like the fear was very real, Like.
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  Speaker 3: What am I getting myself into?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the original show, I don't know if everybody knows it,
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  Speaker 4: but it is it is. It is a game and
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  Speaker 4: there is murder involved. So basically people are fighting for
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  Speaker 4: a big amount of money. So I think in the
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  Speaker 4: original show it was like one hundred billion dollars or
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  Speaker 4: something like that. The Netflix series and they pretty much
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  Speaker 4: people get clipped off if they go to the games.
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  Speaker 4: They if they don't make it, they die basically, so
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  Speaker 4: and it's like some screwed up games that they have
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  Speaker 4: to play. So you guys had to play similar games.
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  Speaker 4: Whell like the cutout cookie thing with the umbrella. Nobody
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  Speaker 4: wants the umbrella. They wave the umbrella exactly. The circle
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  Speaker 4: is the easiest right to get it out. Now, how
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  Speaker 4: did you feel about Like are you a person who
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  Speaker 4: could play games?
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  Speaker 3: Are you like a gaming part? Like you know, do
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  Speaker 3: you like games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I like games.
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  Speaker 3: Because you would call them all like puzzles.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them were kind of puzzles. Most
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  Speaker 1: of it was luck based, if I'm being honest, but
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  Speaker 1: it was it was a fun challenge, and like I like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an athlete, like I play sports, I play professional quadball,
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  Speaker 1: and so I love you know, the competition side of it,
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  Speaker 1: you know that, like who's going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: make it? Stuff like that, And so some of them,
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  Speaker 1: like like Red Like green Light for example, that was
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  Speaker 1: very much like a physical game. Like that was basically
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  Speaker 1: who could last longest, you know, who could stay still
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  Speaker 1: the longest, stuff like that, And that was easily the
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  Speaker 1: hardest one. But when it came to things like rolling
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  Speaker 1: the dice or you know, like rock paper scissors like
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that, like a lot of it really is luck.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And I had another one of your cast members, Dash
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  Speaker 4: on the show, and he was saying, we love.
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  Speaker 3: Dash, we do that.
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  Speaker 4: He said that the Red Like green Light was actually
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  Speaker 4: from what you were watching on the show, it took
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  Speaker 4: so much longer, and you were really and to stand
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  Speaker 4: still that long and to stand like in the position that.
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  Speaker 3: You're stopped at and it is very taxing on the body.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it was tough.
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  Speaker 3: So how many hours was it did it take?
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  Speaker 1: I want to say it was something like eight hours
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  Speaker 1: that we were playing. Yeah, it was eight hours of
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  Speaker 1: like no bathroom breaks. It was so cold the entire
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  Speaker 1: time we were there, and and we had to when
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  Speaker 1: we would freeze, we had to hold that position for
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  Speaker 1: like fifteen to thirty minutes at a time because they
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  Speaker 1: had to come around do all the camera panning, they
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  Speaker 1: had to check all the censors, all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: because like like the Squid game, like they make it
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  Speaker 1: seem like it all happened very quickly, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of those like games took like the entire day to
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  Speaker 1: film just because of like production stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 1: so but during Red, like green Light, it was very real,
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  Speaker 1: like we had to freeze for that long and that
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  Speaker 1: was just like it was almost as mentally taxing as
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  Speaker 1: it was physically, Like it was very difficult physically to
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  Speaker 1: get through. But just like keeping your like brain occupied
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  Speaker 1: like for that long, like what are you supposed to
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  Speaker 1: think about? You can't talk, you can't like do anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, so you have to tell.
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  Speaker 4: You're doing a sitting and worrying about I can't move
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  Speaker 4: because I have all this money.
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  Speaker 3: It's sa like, now, how much money was it stayed
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  Speaker 3: for the show?
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  Speaker 1: It was four and a half million dollars. Wow?
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  Speaker 3: Wow? Tax deductible?
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  Speaker 1: Uh yes, I believe the winner did have to pay taxes.
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  Speaker 3: So don't get about to your mill. That's not bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad.
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  Speaker 3: Not too bad.
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  Speaker 4: And did you feel like you had a real shot,
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  Speaker 4: like in the big Well, when did you feel it?
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  Speaker 3: Because you got pretty far?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a second place.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you got really fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean so did you think you were going to
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  Speaker 3: get that far? In well? Luck?
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be so honest. At no point during the
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  Speaker 1: entire game, I never thought I was going to make
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  Speaker 1: it that far. Really, like I was going just to
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  Speaker 1: have a good time. I was like listen, one in
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty six contestants, like come on, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way. But then getting closer and closer to the end,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like maybe I'll stick it out
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  Speaker 1: a little longer. And then being in like the final three,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like I might actually
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  Speaker 1: do this. Yeah. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And then and to nobody second pers got anything only the.
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  Speaker 1: First No, yeah, just Winter Takes All.
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  Speaker 4: This was just no, it was just like you're going
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  Speaker 4: to do it for and that was it, just to
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  Speaker 4: go full money.
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  Speaker 1: Just thought to be a fun experience. I mean they
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  Speaker 1: covered like hotels, they covered food, room and board and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that, and flights and all that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was just Winter Takes All.
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  Speaker 3: For was inside this warehouse with all those people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first two nights were nice because we got
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  Speaker 1: to quarantines in the hotel. But then yeah, the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the time we were stuck in that massive door
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  Speaker 1: room set.
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  Speaker 3: But I bet you it was a lot of fun
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  Speaker 3: though at times. Was it fun?
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  Speaker 1: It was, yeah, I like I like to say it
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  Speaker 1: was equal parts fun and traumatic because like the games,
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  Speaker 1: so I there were rumors that people were hooking up. However,
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  Speaker 1: I think because we were like in the same because
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  Speaker 1: we were wearing the same clothes the entire time, so
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  Speaker 1: wearing the same clothes, like not really getting to shower
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  Speaker 1: when we wanted to stuff like that, like being covered
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  Speaker 1: in those like pajamas and stuff. It wasn't really the
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  Speaker 1: most like enticing the situation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, So wait a minute, what do you mean
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  Speaker 4: you didn't get to shower.
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  Speaker 1: So so we did get to shower, but but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times it was like on their like production schedules,
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  Speaker 1: so like there were times where like we couldn't you know, shower,
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  Speaker 1: couldn't like use the bathrooms or anything like that because
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  Speaker 1: they had us specifically in the room playing the games
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And even like for me, the
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  Speaker 1: last I think three days, they didn't let me wash
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  Speaker 1: my hair because they were like, okay, quick five minute
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  Speaker 1: showers only, and I'm like, girl, like, it takes a
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  Speaker 1: little longer than that for these luscious locks, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So so that's why it was really
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing because I had these huge flakes of dan drope
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  Speaker 1: that I got called out on on Twitter.
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  Speaker 3: For like somebody my shampoo, baby, Yeah, that's what.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't have anything like take anything, We no no
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  Speaker 1: products or anything yet. So I was low key suffering.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know if I would have been able to handle that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't wash my hair all the time anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: I have to be honest. I only washed my hair
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  Speaker 3: once a week.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Oh my god, it looks stunning you.
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  Speaker 4: Know why, because I was told that the more you
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  Speaker 4: wash your hair, the less lust it has because the
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  Speaker 4: natural oils. But listen, after a while, it's gonna look greasy.
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  Speaker 4: If you're in a hot suit and you're sweating, you know,
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  Speaker 4: your scalp looks gross.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what happens.
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  Speaker 4: That's trying to put a little dry shampoo. But if
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  Speaker 4: I didn't have that dry shampool, I would have died.
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  Speaker 3: I would have died. I would have been like, oh my.
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  Speaker 4: God, So did you do you feel like you formed
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  Speaker 4: a lot of bonds with people.
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  Speaker 3: On the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I like to say nothing bonds
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  Speaker 1: people like trauma. So and because we didn't have our
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  Speaker 1: cell phones, we didn't have any other games to play.
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  Speaker 1: We did literally didn't have anything to do besides just
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  Speaker 1: sit and talk to each other and hear each other's
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  Speaker 1: stories and befriend each other. And for like seventeen days straight,
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  Speaker 1: there was nothing else to do. So we became really close,
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  Speaker 1: really fast. So there was honestly, really nice and so
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  Speaker 1: I walked away with some I think lifelong friendships, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm really stoked about. That was definitely the best part
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  Speaker 1: of the entire thing.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think is the most What did you get? Like,
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  Speaker 3: if you could.
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  Speaker 4: Say one thing that you got out of this experience,
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  Speaker 4: what would be the thing that you would say, Well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think it taught me a lot about myself. I think
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  Speaker 1: I learned that I'm definitely a lot more able to withstand,
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  Speaker 1: a lot more than I thought I was. It definitely
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  Speaker 1: taught me that coming so close to the money too,
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  Speaker 1: was huge for me, because like, originally I went in,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, whatever, I'm just gonna have some fun,
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  Speaker 1: just gonna do whatever and then go back home. But
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  Speaker 1: getting so close to the money, it really started to
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  Speaker 1: make me think, like, oh my god, what would I
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  Speaker 1: do with this money? Like I would do I would
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  Speaker 1: finally start that band that I always wanted to. I
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  Speaker 1: would like do all this stuff for my friends, and
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  Speaker 1: I would do all the stuff for my community. And
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  Speaker 1: getting so close to the money and then losing when
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  Speaker 1: I got out, I was like, well, I don't actually
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  Speaker 1: need all that money to start that stuff, so like
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  Speaker 1: so I did. So when I got out of the show,
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  Speaker 1: I started a band We're called Six Ways to Set
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of like my main project now and
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  Speaker 1: I'm really stoked on it and I'm definitely you know,
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  Speaker 1: spending a lot more time with friends, and I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: all these things that like I've always like wanted to do,
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  Speaker 1: always said like oh one day, one day, one day.
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  Speaker 1: But now it kind of gave me the energy and
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  Speaker 1: the and the the platform too, yeah, and the push
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  Speaker 1: to be able to pursue a lot of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing any acting? Have you gotten any
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  Speaker 3: jobs since?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Not yet? It has been slim pickins. I'm not gonna lie,
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  Speaker 1: but I am looking. So if anyone's out there and hiring,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking, uh because yeah, because it is something that
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  Speaker 1: like I always wanted to do, but I was always like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be too hard, it's gonna I could
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  Speaker 1: spend years and decades, you know, in this industry and
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  Speaker 1: not really make it anywhere. But this show really did
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  Speaker 1: give me a significant push that I really want to
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  Speaker 1: try to capitalize on. So I am looking for acting gigs,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing music stuff, and so it's all kind of
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  Speaker 1: coming together.
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  Speaker 4: You know, what, if you do what you love, if
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  Speaker 4: you could say that, if you could say that you
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  Speaker 4: would you love doing every day that you'll never work.
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  Speaker 3: A day in your life. And that's the truth.
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  Speaker 4: And also you want to be able to monetize it obviously, right,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, of course being a musician or being
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  Speaker 4: you know, an actor. Of course there's not not everybody's
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  Speaker 4: going to be at a list of level.
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  Speaker 3: So, but there are there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who are.
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  Speaker 4: Working, working actors. I'm a friends with a few of them.
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  Speaker 4: Kouncer and not Ducci who also helps me co host
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  Speaker 4: this show. She's a prime example. She's not you know,
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  Speaker 4: let's say, I don't want to say an A list
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  Speaker 4: or I think she's an A lister, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: she's not where she's making fifty million dollars a project,
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  Speaker 4: but she does make a living out of it and
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  Speaker 4: she does what she loves.
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  Speaker 3: So if you do, there are abilities for that to happen.
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  Speaker 3: So just keep pushing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all. Keep just trying to enjoy this life.
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  Speaker 1: Do good stuff, do cool stuff, and make some friends
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  Speaker 1: along the way. And how old you I'm twenty nine.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you're still a baby.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a little Any any relationships in the.
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  Speaker 1: Horizon, No, I am currently single. I am looking though,
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  Speaker 1: So if there's any ladies out there are in need
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  Speaker 1: of something, you know, a little loving let me.
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  Speaker 3: Know, do you want to meet married with kids one day?
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  Speaker 1: No? Kids, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I could see it be it's such a
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  Speaker 3: great day.
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  Speaker 1: I think I would be really good at it. But
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  Speaker 1: I honestly just want to be I'm very much about
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  Speaker 1: like freedom, Like I want to be free to do
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  Speaker 1: whatever at any time, you know, give me a random
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  Speaker 1: call in the middle of the night. Oh let's go
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  Speaker 1: do this, Okay. You know, I don't want to have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about being tied down anything specific. So I
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  Speaker 1: definitely don't think kids. But I think i'd like to
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  Speaker 1: get married someday. You know, I'm a big lover, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a big romantic, I'm a big you know, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm very sappy kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of Yeah, I can see that, but you know, you
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  Speaker 4: might change your mind. You're still young, you're still thirty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and you know guys can have kids up until in there,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Not mean Actually I got to resect me when I
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  Speaker 1: was twenty three, so yeah, no.
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  Speaker 3: No, what pushed you to do that? What made you
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: do that?
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: I mean I just like I looked at all the
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: different like possibilities for my future, and like what I wanted,
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: what I wanted out of life, what I wanted out
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: of love stuff like that, and just like kids just
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: like never really fit in the picture. And I'm gonna
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: be so honest. I used to be a teacher, and
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: so for many years I feel like I got my
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: fill of like kids, Like I love kids. I love
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: working with kids. It's so much fun. Like when I
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: was teaching, like with some of the most fun I've
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: ever had. But in my house, I'd rather not.
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what, everybody, you know what, but
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: it's it's tweeches on, you know.
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: And you are around a lot of kids when you
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: were teaching.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: Did you teach fifth grade?
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Oh boy?
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they're fun. They're they're super excited. It's fun
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: to see like spark yeah no, literally yeah, but they're
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: they're a riot. They're a lot of fun.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: That's when the whole moones start changing, it exactly, That's
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: where it goes that the fifth, sixth, and seventh is
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: when they're starting to change.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: Do you miss it?
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: I honestly do. I miss working with kids. I miss
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: the energy of it all because they're just so fun.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Like literally any second could be like a really funny
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: experience or like a really like whatever. But it also
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: kind of contributed to me getting burnt out pretty fast
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: because like it is like a twenty four hour job,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Like you've got to stay on your toes the entire time.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: You always got to be watching because if you turn
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: around for one second, they'll explode or do something crazy.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: But I do miss the energy because they're they're just
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: much fun.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: What did you so now?
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: Besides doing your bands, are you doing anything else?
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: Is there any like businesses on the horizon?
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm mainly just doing music and acting right now
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: and just kind of using this quid game to kind
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: of capitalize on all that kind of stuff and finally
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: have a platform to be able to push all my stuff.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: But the music is the main thing that I'm into
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Are you playing anywhere?
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're playing all around. We actually have a show
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: on December seventh at the Delancey in Manhattan, so if
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: anybody's around, come by. It'll be a good time. Seven
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: thirty I think. Don't quote me on it, but it's
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: on our social media and.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: We'll we'll get that to we'll get to that at
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: the end of the interview. We'll get to all your information.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like that, Now that you've done the
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: reality shows, do you feel like, is that where do
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: you still want to maybe go on a reality show
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: again or just want to geared towards the acting.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my skill set is a little bit
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: more leaning towards acting, because like the reality show was fun,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: but it's it's difficult. First of all, it's difficult to
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: make money on reality TV because unless you're like an
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: influencer or something like that. And I try I do
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: in the influencer thing for like a few months after
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Squid Game and it's just like it burned me out
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: really fast. I was like, I don't want to have
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: to like stay on my phone all day and like
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: do all that kind of stuff. So I'm definitely a
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: little bit of geared more towards like hosting, like you know,
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: stuff like this. Yeah, like hosting or acting stuff like
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: that is definitely a little bit more for my skill set.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: And honestly, like squid Game was fun, but it was
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: really stressful, like just being in there, like constantly being
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: under so much pressure, like having to like watch like
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: my social interactions and you know, like not be fed
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: in the way that I wanted to be and stuff
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: like that was definitely very taxing, so I wouldn't like
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: rush back into it. But the food was the food
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: was atrocious.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: You why were they doing that?
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: It was horrible? I mean so so I think it
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: was part of the experience was to be like, you know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: tortured and be like, oh, like you know, we're gonna
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: be you know, underfed and like stuff like that. But
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: the food that they would feed us, it was like
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: some of the most gross stuff I've ever had. It
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: was like unsalted, unseasoned. There was like it was like
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: plain rice with like boiled chicken on some days or
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: like for breakfast, they would feed us this this flavorless oatmeal.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: It tasted like tree sap, like it was disgusting, like
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: some of the worst we would've ever had in my
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: entire life. But it really made me appreciate the finer
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: things like assaults and seasoning and things like that exactly. Yeah,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: what I would give.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: And so it's funny because I would want when you
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: watch the Squid Games, you know, when you watch it,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: comparing it to you know, the original show they did,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: they did whisper a lot of the things that went on,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously not the Murda, but you know, it
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: was but.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: I was expecting.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I was expecting that when I when the second season came,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: and that's what I was expecting. I was expecting, like
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: to see what was going to happen now after that,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: and then it became this challenge which was cool, which
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I thought was really cool and I liked and I
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: liked the concept of it.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Now was anybody this wasn't connected.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Directly to the show though, right, They got the kind
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: of well, yeah, to use the name the Squid Games.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of like a spinoff I think,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: just to kind of by the time before season two
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: of the original show, which actually is Premierre in December.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, finally, yeah, but so they kind of they had
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: this idea to this, and you guys film not filmed
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: in London, right London.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in partnership with Studio Lambert, which is
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a British production company.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: But that was great. At least you got to go
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: to England.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you get to see I know, yeah, I
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: didn't get to see much of it. Yeah. I will
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: say though, like they would okay, like like towards the end,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: they would start bringing me like outside for like a
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: few moments just to like kind of soak up a
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of sun. But it was London in the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: middle of the winter, so there was no sun, and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and they wanted to keep us. They didn't want any
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: paparazzi or anybody finding us, and so they would keep
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: us in this like gated like parking lot or whatever.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: But across the way you could see this like wharf
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: that was just like really disgusting and just had like
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: mud and like dead plants and stuff. And I remember
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: seeing a bird in the sky over that and thinking
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and like after like weeks of not seeing the sun,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: and I was like nature is so beautiful, Like we
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: need to do more for this planet, Like we really
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: take it for granted. Like so it really made me
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: like think, you.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Know, so you got so you got definitely now appreciate food. Yeah,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: I definitely appreciate the sun.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I definitely appreciate hate the platt absolutely.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: So it but still sounds like it was a fun experience.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, overall, it was an awesome experience. I'm definitely glad
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: that I did it. Honestly, the biggest thing for me
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: was just the friendships that I made. It definitely, you know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: bonded me to a lot of different people that I
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have otherwise met, which was really awesome. It
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: gave me a platform to be able to promote my
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: music and stuff like that. So overall, a very exciting experience.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe they'll get you on the real Squid Game as
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: like the scripted series.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Listen, I mean, I'm down to go to Korea and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: film some stuff. You guys want, Netflix, I'm here, And
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: That was also so it was also a Netflix show,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: the Challenge, I mean it was the Challenge, I'm saying
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: the Challenge, the Squid Game Challenge. But and it had
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: what was it ten episodes?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, eight to ten episodes, I think. Yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it since it first came out, from
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: being honest.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Did everybody in your family watch it?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I did? Yeah. I did a little watch party with
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: my family and with my friends and stuff. I got
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to take my dad to the big premiere that they
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: had in New York for the final episode, which was
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: really fun.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Anime and the lady with how Sun on
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: right my my wife?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, she's good. But we're still friends. We're
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: hanging out. She's actually working on her own show, mother
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: My if you guys want to check it out. It's
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: very exciting. It's a road show, uh slash charity sort
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of thing. And she actually me and her wrote the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: theme song of it together, which is really fun. Yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and what's what.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Where is that going to be aired? On?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Good question?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: We still yeah, so she's kind of just filming it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but the website is up and the theme
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: song is up.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: So and you wrote it?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we wrote it together. Actually came to my
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: house and in my little like studio basement thing that
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I also live in, and uh, and we wrote the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: song together and produced it. It was really fun.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: She's a nice lady. I met her.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: I only met her for a couple of minutes at
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: the at the party and where we met, but I
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: was so I told it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: To I like to get her on the show as well.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's really fun.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: She's a fun lady, right, and she's close with her son.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: That's that's Leanne was close with her.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, ye was Leanne.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Mine's got a big old family to her husband, Jay
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: is awesome. You know, she's got kids, so she's got
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the whole, the whole she bang.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Absolutely she won. I mean, now, I mean, have anybody
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: to lose to the parson.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: For you to Yeah, no, honestly, And that honestly made
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: me feel better about the entire thing too, because like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: for the most part, like ninety nine percent of the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: people in there were so sweet, so genuine, so good
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and so like looking around, I was like, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I really think any of us could win in here,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and I would be okay with it because I think
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: everybody's going to do good by the money. I know
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: for certain is going to do good by the money,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and so I'm not I'm not bitter about it in anyway.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: There wasn't any ass assholes in that you that you
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: could say because there was some drama.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: There was a little bit of drama, I will say, though,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I think like we were getting along so well that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of that drama they really had to like
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: hush up a little bit, like like for example, like
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Ashley on the bridge, like that was like so like
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that wasn't at all what they made it seem like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: on TV. Like we were all we were all friends,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you know, we were all hanging out, we were all
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: doing the same thing. But I think I think some
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: people just got a little stressed out when it came
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: time to make these sort of big decisions that that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: could end up in elimination, and so they would catch
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: like that one moment where you slip and then you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: say something bad, and then they would just make the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: whole episode around.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: That's that's the job they need to sell the show.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's reality TV. You know, that's what we
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: signed up for. I guess I am.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I know reality TV. I've been on a couple of shows.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, a lot of it is, a lot of it
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: is scripted, a lot of it is impromptu, and a
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: lot of it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: You know, they want the drama. That's what that's what
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: people are going to watch.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: But I just feel like lately that the reality shows
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: are becoming too negative. Like the show is fun to watch,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: you know, it's more fun because it's something interesting. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I just feel like lately, in the last probably the
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: last five years, it's they've become so negative that I.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Don't even want to watch them anymore.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Like you used to watch them to have like stuff
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: mindless and fun and just like, you know, let me
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: just watch something that I really don't have to think
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: too much about, you know, and just watching somebody else's
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: life at this point. But I just feel like that
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: they've a lot of them are so negative now, you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: they need to they need to turn it back and
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: start getting some fun shows on again.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly show the good side is, you know, because people
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: can be nice, people can be fun. You know, you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: don't have to stick them in these super stressful situations,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And even like on my show,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: like we were all getting along so well, Like I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: cannot emphasize like how close we were and how great
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of a time it was just to meet all these
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: awesome people and get to hang out and have fun,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and a lot of the times on my show, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: think because there were so many contestants, it really felt
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: like it was awesome versus the game instead of like
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: os versus each other, and so that just made it
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: so much nicer. So we were able to get along,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: we were able to make equitable decisions when we could,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I think they shied a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: little bit away from it in the final edit, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that's honestly a huge takeaway for me, Like it really
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: gave me, you know, hope for humanity that you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: people are willing to work together if you know, given
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the proper like you know, the channels to do.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: So, you know what, they were all out There are
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of good people in this world. Just when
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: you think you want to just you know, you want
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: to turn your back on humanity, they they surprised you.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Well, it sound a really good experience, I did.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fine, and so I I think that you're probably
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: going to go on to do some spectacular things.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: And you are well and you know, and you have
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: a good soul, you got a good energy. So that's good.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. I just like to have fun wherever
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I go. That's my main thing, and that's important.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: It's important to keep it light and keep it you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: you know what, any day above grounds a.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Good day, exactly right, and I.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Always appreciate it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: So let everybody know where to find you. Fill on
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: your social media and when your next gig is.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So my social medias are all at Avatar Phil
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge Avatar the Last Airbender fan, and my
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: band is called Six Ways to Saturday. We're also on
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: every major social media. We're on Spotify, Apple Music, check
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: us out. We will be at the Delancey in Manhattan
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: on December seventh. That's going to be our next big show,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: so stay tuned. It's going to be fun. And our
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: new EP, So Much for Forever is out now, so
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: check us out.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Well. I will definitely be at your show. I hope
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I get it. I hope I get invited.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you get a special guest pass.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I'll be in the front.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my, my, my, my, Actually my fiance is a
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: drama too.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So oh I'm exciting. Yes.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of a lot of branch, a
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: lot of I love that. I've just not doing that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: again that I still love to do and I want
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: to come to your show.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for being on my show today.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: It was a great conversation and I hope for you
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: to come back again.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: How things are going.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: For you totally? Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: This is super fun.
• 24:14
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