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12/29/2025 The Dave Allen Show on 580 Live - Emmett Pepper, Richard Lindsay, Danny Jones · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 3: The country, the United States of America, the state West Virginia,
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  Speaker 3: the city Charleston. This is the Dave Allen Show on
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  Speaker 4: of the show. I like you. I'm as confused as
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  Speaker 4: We took off Christmas morning and the day after Christmas,
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  Speaker 4: but we're back again programming. Note, I will not be
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  Speaker 4: doing the local show tomorrow. Dale Cooper will be subbing
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  Speaker 4: for me tomorrow. It's some medical things going on I
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  Speaker 4: got to take care of. But I should be back
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  Speaker 4: in time form Enterre News midday tomorrow with Amanda Bear.
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  Speaker 4: We'll boo do both shows on New Year's Eve, the
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  Speaker 4: local show on Wednesday morning. We're going to kind of
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  Speaker 4: do a year in review politically speaking. Still working down
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  Speaker 4: the lineup. I do know that we've confirmed Steven Allen
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  Speaker 4: that no local show on New Year's Day. Don't know
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  Speaker 4: about Friday's local show yet, still waiting on word from
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  Speaker 4: up on a high about that there is going to
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  Speaker 4: be an afternoon show on Friday, though I do know that.
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  Speaker 4: So I think you're all caught up for now coming
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  Speaker 4: up on this show, this particular show right now, coming
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  Speaker 4: up a little bit later. Danny Jones is going to
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  Speaker 4: stop by as he does every Monday. Also, Judge Rich
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  Speaker 4: Lindsay is going to join this for a recap on
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  Speaker 4: his first year on the bench. And your calls and
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  Speaker 4: text to welcome to Bigley Pigliy Wiggly hotline three zero
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  Speaker 4: four three four five fifty eight fifty eight. Tony the
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  Speaker 4: zero and we'll welcome into the show now. Attorney Charleston
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  Speaker 4: City Councilman also policy director for Energy Efficient West Virginia,
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  Speaker 4: and Pepper's here. How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 4: I got to listen to that Christmas show. That's a
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  Speaker 4: great line up. Those are also of my favorite people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's somebody told me complimented, said what a
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  Speaker 4: great show it was. I said, well, it wasn't because
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  Speaker 4: of me. I can tell you that it was because
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  Speaker 4: of Pushkin and Amos Steele and of course all the
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  Speaker 4: other folks we threw in there as well, and Elisha
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  Speaker 4: is just fantastic. So yeah, it's a great show. It
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  Speaker 4: was a was a great show. I mean, I several
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  Speaker 4: people really love the music, and I mean they just
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  Speaker 4: he used to get people sitting around and jamming a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, and I, who have no musical ability whatsoever,
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  Speaker 4: just try to play along.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Likewise, I used to do radio show together. Actually okay
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  Speaker 7: on the little station here.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I got you.
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  Speaker 8: I guess.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well she's fantastic talent. I mean, she really really is.
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  Speaker 4: And she and the interesting thing about that show is
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  Speaker 4: it is you know, uh, Pushkin and Johnny Compton who's
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  Speaker 4: a name of Steele, had gone back and forth, you know,
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  Speaker 4: texting thing they rehearsed in the green room. That's the
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  Speaker 4: only time that they ever got together. And just watching
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  Speaker 4: to me as a non musical person, watching the way
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  Speaker 4: musical minds work and just saying, okay, well let's do
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  Speaker 4: it in this key, and just jumping in and knowing
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  Speaker 4: that you know, maybe they didn't know the music, but
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  Speaker 4: they figured it out, and.
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  Speaker 6: It was It's amazing. It's magic to me.
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  Speaker 4: It's magic to me. Yeah, I didn't realize. So I
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  Speaker 4: actually wrote all that out. You wear a lot of hats,
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  Speaker 4: Attorney Charleston City Councilman, director for Energy Efficient West Virginia.
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  Speaker 4: But primarily what I one to focus on today, and
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  Speaker 4: you and I talked about this a little bit over
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  Speaker 4: the weekend. Is your role as an attorney, particularly when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to student loans, and you've got some concerns
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  Speaker 4: as it has to do with the Department of Education.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some there's some things coming up that people
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  Speaker 7: should be aware of and make sure that they're protected
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  Speaker 7: if they have student loans. The BIDAMIN or the big
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  Speaker 7: The administration, the Trump administration, a lot of them has
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  Speaker 7: announced that they're going to start garnishing wages for student
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  Speaker 7: loans that are in default. And one of the concerns
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  Speaker 7: I have is that there's going to be people who
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  Speaker 7: don't even realize they're in default. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 7: people it's out of side, out of mind, and they're
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  Speaker 7: like maybe maybe they forgot about me, you know. But
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  Speaker 7: so there's a concern that you know, if they're in default,
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  Speaker 7: that that that could that they could start heading having
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  Speaker 7: their wages garnished. And if they don't have their address
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  Speaker 7: updated with this with the federal government on, you know,
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  Speaker 7: this Department of Education, they may not get noticed of
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  Speaker 7: it and it might be a big surprise.
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  Speaker 4: Well and when you think about it, I mean, one
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  Speaker 4: of the chances that somebody has the same address, you
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  Speaker 4: know that they had twenty years ago when they were
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  Speaker 4: in college.
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  Speaker 7: Right, and hopefully they've been on there since then, thirty
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  Speaker 7: whatever the case may be, right, right, Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: so just got to make sure it's updated and stuff
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  Speaker 7: like that, because there's been a lot of pausing, you know,
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  Speaker 7: even just the last five years, there was you know,
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  Speaker 7: there's the pause for COVID and so you know, maybe
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  Speaker 7: that people have moved and just didn't think to go
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  Speaker 7: on the student one website.
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  Speaker 4: you don't know, Kennhut, all right, I'm just gonna ask
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  Speaker 4: an obvious question here, not trying to be argumentative or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that, but it's question's got to be asked,
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  Speaker 4: is what's the problem with that? I mean, if they
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  Speaker 4: took out the loans, shouldn't they have to pay them back?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean yeah, yes, could be you know, it
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  Speaker 7: depends on their situation and stuff like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: the weird thing about student loans is, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 7: a bankruptcy attorney. That's what I do most of the
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  Speaker 7: that's the hat I wear most of the right, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: And so what we see with that, unfortunately, they're treated
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  Speaker 7: a lot differently, uh than other debts, and so you
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  Speaker 7: can't it's very very difficult. Now that I have had
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  Speaker 7: some success in the last you know, a couple of
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  Speaker 7: years to help people get out of student owners through bankruptcy, but.
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  Speaker 6: It's very difficult to do that.
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  Speaker 7: You have to you know, jump through some hoops and
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  Speaker 7: there's some you know, it's not everybody can. So that's
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  Speaker 7: one thing is that it's it's you can't even if
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  Speaker 7: you're in the situation where you're you're drowning in debt,
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  Speaker 7: you have to find bankruptcy. You're still stuck with those
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  Speaker 7: and even in that context, and it's it's a little
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  Speaker 7: bit walking. So I'm not going to get into it,
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  Speaker 7: but basically, you know, you can be in bankruptcy and
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  Speaker 7: there's a kind of bankruptcy we have to make payments
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  Speaker 7: and stuff, and you actually the student loans will get
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  Speaker 7: treated worse than other debts that you have that you can.
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  Speaker 4: Uh congress, you know, so I think, I mean you
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  Speaker 4: would think that a debt is a debt. I mean
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  Speaker 4: that's as a total outside I mean you would think
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  Speaker 4: that a debt is a debt. I mean that's as
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  Speaker 4: a total outsider looking in. A debt is a debt
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  Speaker 4: is a debt. And you know, I don't know why
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  Speaker 4: it would be treated.
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  Speaker 7: In so taxes, for instance, you know, you can't get
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  Speaker 7: your taxes dis char if you you know, we're you
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  Speaker 7: have one hundred thousand dollars taxes or something from last year.
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  Speaker 7: You can't just fall bankruptcy and get rid of those.
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  Speaker 7: But if you do make payments, they get paid first.
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  Speaker 7: But student loans it's not like that. It's that you
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  Speaker 7: just they're just treated like every other debt, except you
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  Speaker 7: can't get rid of them. And a lot of that
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  Speaker 7: goes back to I mean, these a lot of the
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  Speaker 7: court cases and stuff, they hasn't they haven't changed this
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  Speaker 7: for a long time. So a lot of the court
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  Speaker 7: cases and stuff are from the nineties, from uh, you know,
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  Speaker 7: even sometimes the eighties whatever like this is and things
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  Speaker 7: aren't way different in terms of student loans since then.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I went to school in the in the
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  Speaker 7: late nineties. You probably think went in their early nineties
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  Speaker 7: or late eighties.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't have to say that, but go ahead, okay, sorry,
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  Speaker 4: but you know.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's different now.
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  Speaker 7: It's a lot more expensive that the debt amounts are
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  Speaker 7: a lot more and so, you know, unfortunately, I think
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  Speaker 7: that there, you know, it was there was a lot
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  Speaker 7: of it was misunderstood about how that was and so
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  Speaker 7: and nothing's changed since then because that's the precedent.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and one of one of the terms that I
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  Speaker 4: have heard, and again we're talking with Attorney Immit Pepper,
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  Speaker 4: one of the terms I've heard is the term predatory
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  Speaker 4: lenders h and that you know, look, nobody is saying
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  Speaker 4: and I've been very adamant about this, and you're saying, yes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you do need to pay it back. But
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  Speaker 4: but there is there any onus, on on the lending
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  Speaker 4: institutions or the government or whomever that these loans came from.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and and there actually are some protections around that.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, so like, for instance, you know, Mountain State
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  Speaker 7: University that went out of business.
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  Speaker 6: There's a lot there's other colleges.
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  Speaker 7: Like that they can be treated a little bit if
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  Speaker 7: it's worth talking to turn your somebody about. If you
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  Speaker 7: have a situation where your school you know, went under,
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  Speaker 7: you know, it could be that that's a reason to
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  Speaker 7: get rid of the student loans because it's you know,
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  Speaker 7: the value that you were getting was not what you
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  Speaker 7: thought you were getting what you should should have gotten.
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  Speaker 6: And there's things like that. But but yeah, you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, and just to be clear, this this new thing
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  Speaker 7: with Garnish forth, this is only for the federally backed
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  Speaker 7: student loans. There's also the private student loans that some
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  Speaker 7: of those are very predatory especially and then but yeah,
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  Speaker 7: if there's an issue with the school, there's things you
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  Speaker 7: can do with that. So there there are options for
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  Speaker 7: things like that. But look, I mean there's somebody's on
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  Speaker 7: social Security, somebody's you know, in their sixties or seventies
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  Speaker 7: and they still have student loans.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: There are some situations where it's still very challenging to
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  Speaker 7: be able to get rid of them. And and it
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  Speaker 7: just something about that seems wrong because they've been making
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  Speaker 7: a lot of times, they've been making payments well over
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  Speaker 7: the amount that they've actually you know, borrow double or
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  Speaker 7: something like that or more. And and so you know, yes,
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  Speaker 7: people should pay their debts, no question about that.
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  Speaker 6: But there are you know, there are laws in place.
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  Speaker 7: There are you know, steam releases in place, so that
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  Speaker 7: where you know, if there's an issue where they should
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  Speaker 7: be able to wipe out debt and start fresh. That's
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  Speaker 7: what bankruptcy has been has been around for hundreds of
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  Speaker 7: years for you know, in our you know, I don't
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  Speaker 7: wanna say this flip on our president uses everybody uses
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  Speaker 7: it because it's it is a tool that's that is fair,
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  Speaker 7: and there's a there's a process. But unfortunately, with student loans,
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  Speaker 7: there's no way out.
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  Speaker 4: And so how does that change. That's a congressional thing
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  Speaker 4: that would have to change in congress. Yeah, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 4: We have a text here. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: can help with this or not, but it says, is
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  Speaker 4: there any type of support or relief you can get
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  Speaker 4: for your student loan payments if your spouse was declared
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  Speaker 4: disabled by their doctor but took like six or seven
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  Speaker 4: years to get any type of money, so you are
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  Speaker 4: a one income family with no welfare at all.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not gonna give avice on the area. It could
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  Speaker 7: be there could be something there. Yeah, I mean there's
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  Speaker 7: it's every situation is different and I talk to people
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  Speaker 7: all the time about this, and there's each situation has
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  Speaker 7: its own unique things, and there may be good options
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  Speaker 7: for making it less burden some so you can actually
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  Speaker 7: afford to make it. And look, I mean that's that
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  Speaker 7: is the truck, you know, just putting in the you know,
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  Speaker 7: their perspective, the Trump administrations say, look, we need to
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  Speaker 7: get more payments coming in, and you know, just garnishing
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  Speaker 7: someone's wages, making it so they can't live that isn't
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  Speaker 7: necessarily going to I mean, I guess get some money in,
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  Speaker 7: but but it's not going to be good for our
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  Speaker 7: for our I don't think. And so you know, there's
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  Speaker 7: there's things that we can do being paractive. This is
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  Speaker 7: not something where you can just partick your head in
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  Speaker 7: the sand. You have to be proact. You have to
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  Speaker 7: look into it. If you get the notice, you got
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  Speaker 7: to do something about it. And there are things you
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  Speaker 7: can do.
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  Speaker 4: So you would urge them to contact an attorney, contact
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  Speaker 4: an attorney or you know, there's actually stuff you can do.
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  Speaker 7: If you get yours, you should in the notice find
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  Speaker 7: out that you can dispute it, and there's a basis
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  Speaker 7: for it, but you know, you can dispute it. There's
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  Speaker 7: some bases that you could actually get out from under
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  Speaker 7: that you can also it's called rehabilitate your loan, where
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  Speaker 7: you can get you can get out of default.
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  Speaker 6: There are ways you can you can do that.
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  Speaker 7: And then of course maybe the last choice would be,
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  Speaker 7: you know, something like bankruptcy. But none of these are
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  Speaker 7: great options. None of them are silver bullets.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I before we let you go, I'll ask you
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  Speaker 4: about a couple of the other hats you you wear.
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  Speaker 4: What's what's what's coming in the new year from Energy
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  Speaker 4: Efficient West Virginia.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we just issued so the governor has this fifty
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  Speaker 7: by fifty plan, So fifty gigawats by twenty fifty. So
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  Speaker 7: that's tripling the amount of power that we have on
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  Speaker 7: the grid. And we just sent a comment send. I'm
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  Speaker 7: happy to send it to you, and I think I
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  Speaker 7: send it to Jeff over here this morning about that plan.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, our perspective is, look, we need to
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  Speaker 7: be doing If we're going to be doing that, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know if that's a good idea or a bad
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  Speaker 7: idea to have that much power, but we definitely need
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  Speaker 7: to be doing everything. We need to be doing things
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  Speaker 7: to help rate payers to take control of their bills.
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  Speaker 7: So having battery to make it easier for that battery
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  Speaker 7: back up make it easy for you to have their
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  Speaker 7: own power.
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  Speaker 4: I want to ask you before we let you go
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  Speaker 4: about your at large seat on Charleston City Council? Do
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  Speaker 4: you have it? Is there a council meeting tonight?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 4: I thought they might take off for the for the hobbidays.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna run for reelection?
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  Speaker 6: I haven't announced jet.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, all right, but you can
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  Speaker 4: always come here and announce one way they are okay, okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you will make it a thing. Yeah, I'll even let
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  Speaker 4: you bring donuts. Isn't that nice of me?
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  Speaker 6: I will do that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but Pepper, I appreciate youall. Wait a minute, if
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  Speaker 4: you file bankruptcy, will you lose your house? So it's
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  Speaker 4: a texture. I mean, I guess it depends on the situation.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean most of the time, we well, I
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  Speaker 7: just say, I mean the way the kind of bankruptcy
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  Speaker 7: that we file is the kind that we you know,
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  Speaker 7: we would make sure that you protect your house. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: we don't we don't file bankruptcy where people lose their
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  Speaker 7: house if they don't want to.
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  Speaker 4: Lindsay Hainy doing my friend. Hey, good morning man, how
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  Speaker 4: you doing. You know I'm doing well. This is kind
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  Speaker 4: of interesting. I've been doing the show. It'll be six
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  Speaker 4: years in May. This may be the first time that
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  Speaker 4: I've ever had a guest to be on back to
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  Speaker 4: back shows. Now, there may have been something with the
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  Speaker 4: Wednesday show and then now you're back again. So you
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  Speaker 4: just want to take the job. Is that what you
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  Speaker 4: want to know?
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  Speaker 11: I said, can I be judge? If you take this job,
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  Speaker 11: I might want to trade up with you. I don't know,
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  Speaker 11: certain days you probably do. Maybe maybe I'm just a
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  Speaker 11: this afterwards, And I don't know what the ratings are,
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  Speaker 11: but I got a hope and believe that the Christmas
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  Speaker 4: Not because of the host. I can tell you that
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  Speaker 11: The first year I was on it was with Caitlyn
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  Speaker 4: She was great.
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  Speaker 11: And then Elisha's been here a couple of years for violin,
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  Speaker 11: and then I didn't even know the amous band steal
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  Speaker 11: Yeah existed, and it's been on my Spotify since the show.
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  Speaker 4: It's so, I mean, are they fantastic or what? Great?
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  Speaker 4: And it's that's just that's my kind of music. That's
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  Speaker 4: all right, so all right, So what happened to you
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 11: You know, I took the family up to Cleveland yesterday
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  Speaker 11: thinking that the Steelers were gonna win the AFC North there.
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  Speaker 11: I wanted to be there for it. And no, no, good, no, no,
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  Speaker 11: not happening. The worst game I think I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 11: definitely the worst game I've seen in person. And then
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  Speaker 11: I like to watch baseball. I like to go to
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  Speaker 11: PNC Park and watch the Pirates, and uh so I
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  Speaker 11: rarely go to football games, and this is probably like
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  Speaker 11: the third or fourth one. And I didn't realize by
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  Speaker 11: looking on stub Hub with the where we were. We
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  Speaker 11: ended up we were in the nosebleed, so we were
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  Speaker 11: right there. That lake effect wind was coming in right
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  Speaker 11: across our faces at the very top, and it was wet,
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  Speaker 11: and the Steelers put put together probably the worst game
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  Speaker 11: I've seen all season.
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  Speaker 4: So well, at least your team is still playing for
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  Speaker 4: a division title next weekend. You know, the Cowboys will
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  Speaker 4: play the Giants to close out the season without making
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs. But you know, people just get all bothered
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  Speaker 4: when I say this. Dak Prescott had an incredible year.
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  Speaker 4: He's a cowboy. He had an MVP type year except
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  Speaker 4: for the defense. We could score thirty eight, but the
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: other team was scoring forty five and fifty or something
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  Speaker 4: like that. But you know, the offensive offensive explosion for
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  Speaker 4: the Cowboys, but unfortunately a defensive explosion on the other way.
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  Speaker 4: So we can't stop anybody. All right, So I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to ask you about about your first year on the
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  Speaker 4: bench overall. Overall, your takeaway overall, I like my job.
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  Speaker 11: I like being judge, and I think, you know, as
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: far as a takeaway, I think that the judges here
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  Speaker 11: in this Circuit Court of Kanall County, and the prosecutors
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  Speaker 11: and defense attorneys in the bar here in Kanall County
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  Speaker 11: just do a pretty good job. I mean really, I
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  Speaker 11: mean as a lawyer, I practice for sixteen years before
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  Speaker 11: it became a judge. And you know, as a lawyer
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  Speaker 11: you always have your complaints and criticisms about, you know,
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  Speaker 11: how certain circuits or certain judges do this, that or
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  Speaker 11: the other. But no complaints from what I can tell.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think we all do a pretty good job.
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  Speaker 11: And it is as far as the substance of the cases.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, you go in knowing that, for example, abuse
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  Speaker 11: neglect cases and truancy cases are going to take up
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  Speaker 11: a lot of your dock at juvenile cases, but you
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  Speaker 11: don't realize how much until you're actually there in it,
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  Speaker 11: and you know, you try to work and do the
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  Speaker 11: best you can, you know, and administer justice where you
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  Speaker 11: can and try to get resolution where you can, which
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  Speaker 11: I think is important. So that's kind of I don't
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  Speaker 11: know if that's what you're asking. That's kind of my
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  Speaker 11: view of it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, was that everything that you expected to be
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  Speaker 4: and what kind of surprises did you?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 11: I mean, again, I think everyone tells you and you
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: read stories in the paper about again, you know, some
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: of the horrific things that come out of those abuse
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  Speaker 11: and neglect cases, and then you're in it and you
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: actually see where you know, evil does exist in the world,
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  Speaker 11: and uh that that can be tough to taste.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I always thought you're absolutely right about that.
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  Speaker 4: I always thought when when you're dealing and you're on
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  Speaker 4: the bench in a in a small community and let's
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  Speaker 4: face them by West Virginia standards, Charleston is a large community,
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  Speaker 4: but by nationwide standards, it's a small community. And you
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: are tasked judge with with situations where you I don't
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: know that you're going to know the people necessarily, but
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: you certainly know the areas that they come from, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: and and you see a lot of the same type cases.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I would think that would make a little bit more difficult.
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: As a judge.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit.
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: I mean other than other than the Again, the the
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  Speaker 11: the scenario, scenarios and circumstances that may make part of
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: may may make some people's nightmares that you see in
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: front of you, the fact patterns. The other thing too
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: is that the you know, being able to put your
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  Speaker 11: own opinion aside and just do what the law says,
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  Speaker 11: and that that that that's that can be tough. And
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  Speaker 11: you know there have been I've had a number of
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  Speaker 11: cases and I can't go into details. So firstly, but
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  Speaker 11: where you know, uh, citizen Lindsey or former state Senator
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  Speaker 11: Lindsay may have thought one thing, but the law says
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  Speaker 11: the other. And then that that's so important to follow
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  Speaker 11: through as a judge, to do what the law requires.
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  Speaker 4: That goes back to your training as an attorney too,
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  Speaker 4: because I mean as an attorney, you know, you've you've
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: got to work with your clients on on just yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and I just had an attorney on right before you
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: and yeah, and you have to you have to you
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: have to take a look at the law, you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: and uh and not and not always your opinions.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely and it and it's just to do that because
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  Speaker 11: you know, the judiciary is the consistency and stability of
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  Speaker 11: our government, right. That's why you there are certain rules
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: in place like stereodecisives, which is a fancy way of
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: saying judges must follow precedent because that's what the electorate
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  Speaker 11: and the government require to stabilize the system of government
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  Speaker 11: that we have the luxury of having here in America.
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  Speaker 11: So I think that's important. That's an important role for
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  Speaker 11: judges to fulfill.
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  Speaker 4: Talking again with Judge Richard Lindsay, It's nine thirty Dave
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  Speaker 11: Rich?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, because here's what you hear all the time,
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  Speaker 4: and again this kind of goes back to what you
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  Speaker 4: said about following the law. There is a conception, misconception
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  Speaker 4: whatever all over where people say, well, you know the
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's some horrific case or maybe not a
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  Speaker 4: horrific case, and they read the headlines. You know that
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  Speaker 4: the people don't feel that that the penalties were harsh enough.
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  Speaker 4: And I would think that's one of the misconceptions sometimes
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  Speaker 4: is that as judges you are tasked again with doing
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  Speaker 4: what the law says when they're sentencing guidelines and things
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  Speaker 4: like that. Is that one of the biggest misconceptions, you think.
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  Speaker 11: You know, I think that that that probably is the case.
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  Speaker 11: I mean I think that, you know, most people don't
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  Speaker 11: know enough about the law. And that's no criticism of them.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, most people don't find themselves in the judicial building, right,
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  Speaker 11: Most people don't find themselves in hiring lawyers or or
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  Speaker 11: before courts. So it's kind of a unique circumstance for them,
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  Speaker 11: especially without that experience. And you know, I think that
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  Speaker 11: the I think the judiciary we could do a little
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  Speaker 11: bit more in educating the public. But that's for a
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  Speaker 11: different day. But but as far as a misconception, I
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  Speaker 11: think you're correct, Dave. I mean I think that you know,
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  Speaker 11: you see a headline and you see someone get a
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  Speaker 11: sentence that you can't understand. More often than not, judges
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  Speaker 11: really don't have a choice. It's not like you can
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  Speaker 11: add any more time than what the statute allows for
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  Speaker 11: a particular penalty or a plea. And and so I
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  Speaker 11: you know, I would just ask those folks who may
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: be upset with any any decision of judge makes try
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  Speaker 11: to do take take a breath, maybe do a little
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  Speaker 11: research and figure out, you know, whether or not you
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  Speaker 11: believe he or she did the right thing.
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  Speaker 4: And you're a former legislator, as you mentioned, you were
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  Speaker 4: state state senator. Some of those things, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: probably just I know you can't do this, but you
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  Speaker 4: I'm going by what the law says here.
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  Speaker 11: Yet absolutely absolutely they you know, the legislature, they they
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  Speaker 11: make the law. Right that just like any any eighth
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  Speaker 11: grade Civics course, right, you know, the executive enforces the law,
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  Speaker 11: the legislature makes a law, and the judiciary interprets the law.
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  Speaker 11: So it you know that if you keep that in mind,
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  Speaker 11: and then like I said, you know, take a moment
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  Speaker 11: in time or a couple of moments to take a
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  Speaker 11: look at what actually is happening, then I think people
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  Speaker 11: would be more be more comfortable with any decision. Having
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  Speaker 11: said that, like I said, I think that you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: we could probably do more as judges or as a
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: judiciary and educating the public. And I know the Supreme
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: Court's done a good job of opening the process up
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: to the public. They've got a lot of things going
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  Speaker 11: on over there at the Capitol Building that is more interactive,
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  Speaker 11: and they go see justices, go see students at schools
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  Speaker 11: throughout the state. And I think that's good too.
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  Speaker 4: So go back to your time as a legislator, a
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  Speaker 4: state senator. What what was it that What were some
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: of the things that you encountered as a legislator that
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  Speaker 4: you think may may help you out as a judge.
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: I think that, you know, one of the things I've
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: always prided myself and when I was in the legislature
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  Speaker 11: and just generally speaking, and I enjoy being around people
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  Speaker 11: and I try to take I try to give them
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: as much opportunity to talk to me. And that's what
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: was the same with the legislature. I was always available
• 27:16
  Speaker 11: to my constituents to talk to me and to hear
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: me out if they disagreed with me, or hear me
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: out to try to help them. And I try to
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: take that same type of direction in the courtroom. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: really try to take my time and explain my decision
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: one way or the other. Give everyone an opportunity to speak.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: I think half the time, you know, people just want
• 27:38
  Speaker 11: that opportunity to be heard by somebody. And if you
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: have a claim or a controversy in my courtroom, I
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: always try to make the extra effort to give you
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: that time to speak.
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  Speaker 4: So so Richard Lindsay, it's always a pleasure to have
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: you on the show, my friend. It's always too quick.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: I mean, you know, I got the time, man, I know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: I appreciate you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk
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  Speaker 11: to you. I saw the mayor in before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah you know, yeah, I.
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: Guess he's taking up Mayor Mondays now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's on every Monday.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We got to sell. We're trying to sell some books
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  Speaker 4: for him. I hear you. I hear you. By the way,
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  Speaker 4: if you haven't gotten I will get an update on
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  Speaker 4: what the status of the books are. You got to
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  Speaker 4: read the book. Well, last I heard it was sold
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: out yet it is, but you're supposed to be more
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: coming in so after the first of the years. So
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: we'll talk to Danny about that. Read the book, rich
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  Speaker 4: you'll you'll really enjoy it, all right. I would. I
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  Speaker 4: would give you my copy, But our goal is to
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  Speaker 4: out a little money there, buddy. I'll get to the
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show, twenty two minutes away from
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  Speaker 4: ten Texas. The Conservatives are the whiniest group of people.
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  Speaker 4: We'll talk a little bit of whether Chris Lawrence is
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• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Danny Jones is here. Hey, doing man, I'm doing all right.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Thank you for being here. So what's the deal with
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: the tire man? You posted this picture on social media
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: of your tire got just basically slashed by our bridge.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Talk about it.
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  Speaker 12: We were all coming back from Jarrett in town, you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: we were all coming back from Cracker Barrel. So we're
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: crossing the bridge going to the east end and right
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: there at the beginning of the bridge. I want people
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: to know this and watch out for it, because I'm
• 32:21
  Speaker 12: not the only one people have told me, and it
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: my tire hit that hit whatever it was there and
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: it put a hole in the tire big enough for
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: Jarrett to put his fists through.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, it didn't look like that's not your run
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: of the mill. I hit a pothole, flat tire. It
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: looks like that. I mean that thing was demolished at
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: the picture I saw this posting.
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: It was and it's going to take me till tomorrow
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: to get a tire to fit it. I so went
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: up last night and the Cadillac wouldn't start. So I
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: went up this morning. I said, I give it another shot,
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: and it started.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: So I'm driving the Cadillac.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Okay. Look, now, explain exactly where what bridge that we're
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: talking about.
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: Outside or the Canall City Bridge.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Okay. Let's suppose you're.
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: Coming back from from you actually be heading west okay, okay,
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: but you're heading to the east end and right at
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: the beginning of the bridge that's where the hole is
• 33:27
  Speaker 12: and can All City Bridge Okay.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: And this is like a major, major pothole.
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: It has to be.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: And when did this happen last last night? Okay?
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: And and the funny thing is we got it back
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: and it didn't hurt the rim and uh, it's down
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: at JP Auto who I'd recommend on the west side
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: right now. And but it really tore it up bad.
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: So what I did was I posted the picture the
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: tire and then I notified people of be careful, and
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: I called, I don't know any other legislator, I don't
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: know those are legislators. Now, I called Katie Young, I said,
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: I know this in your area, She says, I don't care,
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: I'll help you. So I told her where it was.
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: And because it's dangerous.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Thirty six street Bridge is a technical name of it,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: according to Attack.
• 34:25
  Speaker 12: And so hopefully they're going to do something in channel thirteen.
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: I saw Savannah Young this morning at Starbucks and and
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: she said she saw it, and she just texted me,
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: I think they're going down look at it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, So be warned if you're going to be tracked.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Because this was late last night. Chances are if they
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: are fixing it that they didn't get it fixed. I mean,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't think that they got it fixing in that
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: short amount of time. Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: Well, and like everything else in your car, when you're
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: you think you're completely innocent on everything, you feel violated,
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: you know. And then I got all this information. You
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: can turn it in and and quarter Claims will pay you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: It'll take forever. And I thought, well, if I do that,
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: the taxpayers have to pay it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: That's you.
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah, right, So I don't know what I'm going to do.
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: I may just eat it, you know. So do you
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: have a good Christmas? I had a real nice Christmas,
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: and and you know, with charity in town.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: When when does he go back?
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: Twelve?
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, so he got him for a while then.
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's it's just you know him and Andrew both.
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: I mean, it just makes me melt. When you're seventy
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: five years old and you have children that age, it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: kind of like having grandchildren. Yeah, it is so one
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: to nineteen, and one's going to be eighteen in February,
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: so it's pretty exciting.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: And he's still enjoying his his time at the military.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: It's hard, yeah, and the way said it would be easy,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: it's really hard. And you went through a military I.
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: Went through three years of military school and then two
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: years in the Marine Corps. Yeah, and I'm still trying
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: to figure out how how the Steelers got beat by
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: the brown How does that happen?
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know it's why I was talking you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Rich Lindsay, the judge is a big Steeler fan, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, at least your team is still alive.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: My team's Dallas and they're you know, they're they're they're out.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: They've been out for a couple of weeks by the Browns. Yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: it's it's pretty bad. Aaron Rodgers did not look good.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: But I mean the Bills also didn't do so well
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: yesterday either. But uh, my wife's family, they're all big
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Bears fans, you know, being from Chicago, so they're they
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: got beat last night, but they're they're feeling pretty good.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: But I like coach.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: I'm a big coach Tomlin guy. And any other time
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: that touchdown in the end zone. I saw to my
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: neighbor about this, who's a Steeler fan. That final play
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: when Rogers put the ball in the end zone, that
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: was past interference. But they're not going to call it
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: on the last play of the game. That was I mean,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: that's that's simply not gonna happen. And Rogers was looking
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: around for a flag and in my opinion, that was
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: past interference. However, they're simply not going to call that
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: on the last player of the game. Do you do
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: New Year's resolutions?
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: No?
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't need it. I don't either. I will
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: say this. This is the time of year, though, Danny,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: when people do tend to look back and look ahead,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: and I want to. I want to look back on
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: the national front. Any major surprises for you on the
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: national front, I mean, you know, Trump's popularity on the
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: on a nationwide level continues to go down. Not in
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: West Virginia, though so in any big surprise, Not in
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: West Virginia, though so in any big surprises in the
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: year twenty.
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: Twelve, life, wait and see what happens on this medical front. Okay,
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: let's see what happened. I want to explain something to
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: people about the Affordable Care Act.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: It passed.
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: Two thousand and ten something like that, and they had
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: we were able to get a bunch of Medicare money,
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: I mean Medicaid money. You were able to get it
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: if you wanted it, and we were one of the
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: states said let's go for it. Or I can't remember
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: what year it was, Okay, we'll look it up. But
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: so it really helped this state. You know, we're a
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: poor state. There were two the Affordable Care Act was
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: propped up by taxes, and I'll give you two. One
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: was the medical device tax, and when the Republicans got
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: in charge, boom, it's gone. The second was what's called
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: a Cadillac tax on mainly union healthcare plans because they
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: were so good, they were going to add a tax
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: to those. Well, well, can't have that. So that's another
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: tax that was gone, the Affordable Care Act. Just what
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: the biggest accomplishment of the Affordable Care Act was to
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: tell people you have to insure people. You know people
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: that you can't just tell them you can ensure them.
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: You're going to ensure them. It's an exchange. You can
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: buy insurance. It's expensive, it's got high deductibles, and but
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: it's but that's all it is, really is an exchange.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: The Obamacare Affordable Care Act signed into law by President
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Obama March twenty third, twenty ten.
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and then the Republicans took over, Remember how they
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: got shell liked. The Republicans took over, and they just
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: they wanted to get rid of it just because it
• 40:04
  Speaker 12: was They named it Obamacare, which I noted is a
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: term of disrespect. But then Obama picked it up.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Yes he wasn't the first one that said it, but
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: he kind of took and ran with it.
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: And if they'd have left those taxes in place, it
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: may it may have helped drive the price down. But
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: if you're going to drive the price something down, you've
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: got to have money coming in to make that work.
• 40:39
  Speaker 12: And when you strip away the taxes to make that happen,
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: the price is going to go up. And that's what
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: happened to the.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Affordable Care Act became not so affordable.
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: Well, in the Affordable Care Act is a Republican plan.
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: You know, the guys that came up with it were Republicans.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about the some of the election stuff, of course,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: you know, we we we saw some Democrats uh uh
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: that were elected in some pretty contentious races, and Republican
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: governors and things of that nature. New Jersey, uh, Virginia
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: has its first female. It wasn't that much of a
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: surprise because some of those areas were we were you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: blue areas.
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: Anyway, they yeah, it wasn't a big deal, right, Okay, what.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: About Mundammie though, you were the first person that I
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: had heard anywhere especially you know.
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: You better watch what's gonna happen in New York.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: To come on this show. Whenever he announced he was running,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: and you said keep an eye on this, and and
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: he won, and he won handily, well in New York City.
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: Let me tell you something about him. Here's what he's
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: going to learn pretty quickly. They're going to have a
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: bad winner up there, and he's going to learn what
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: it what it's like to have to deal with snowplows
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: and garbage and picking up garbage with snowplows or I mean,
• 42:01
  Speaker 12: being mayor is not just about It's not an exercise
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: in philosophy. And Albany is not going to allow him
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: to do some of this socialist baby talk raising taxes
• 42:26
  Speaker 12: on people. And if they do raise taxes on people,
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: I mean, no, I don't know where Steven Schwartzman. He
• 42:34
  Speaker 12: lives in the most expensive building in New York. He
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: lives in John D. Rockefeller, the first One's old apartment,
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: And I don't know where his legal residence is. But
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: he's a multi, multi, multi billion billion billionaire, and I
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: was thinking he could keep that apartment and he could
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: stay there five and a half months a year, and
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: he could moved to Florida. And and that's what a
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: lot of them will do if it gets real bad.
• 43:07
  Speaker 12: And it's already I mean, people have already left. They've
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: left California and they've left New York over the taxes, right.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I got a couple of friends of mine who are
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: from southern West Virginia. They both live in New York City,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: and they both tend to be a little bit more liberal.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: One of them much more than the other. And he
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: and I, you know, kind of text back and forth
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: about things going on to New York City. He seems to think,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: and he's somebody that's got some money, okay. He seems
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: to think that people are pushing the panic button on Mondamie.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: And I never asked him whether he voted for him
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: or not, but he seemed to think people are pushing
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: the panic button because of that term democratic socialist, that
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: a lot of the things. Much like Trump, he's going
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: to be able to say I'm going to do this,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: do this, and this, but not be able to actually
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but his his Yeah, his rhetoric though, is pretty
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: and for me, it's pretty pretty dangerous.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, what's the most dangerous thing you've heard.
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: He's an Islamist. He's a he's like, he wants to
• 44:10
  Speaker 12: turn New York into dearborn Michigan. And there's giantist and
• 44:17
  Speaker 12: there's Islamist, and Islamist is a person that wants to
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: go through the system but turned everything into Islam and
• 44:28
  Speaker 12: Suria and the whole business. And I believe that's what
• 44:31
  Speaker 12: he is. And of course he doesn't believe Israel should
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: have the right to exist.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: So how does he get elected in New York City?
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: I don't know. I'll never figure that out. I mean,
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: it wasn't even closed, Danny, twenty five years after nine
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: to eleven. I mean, you just couldn't. You couldn't make
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: it up.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't just the promise we got to go
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: to break? But was it? Was it just the promise
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: of a lot of free stuff and forced affordability.
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: I just think yeah, And I think it's the the
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: AOC effect, you know. I think it's AOC and her crowd.
• 45:13
  Speaker 12: And George Will said he's all for it, because when
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: you have a socialist and trying to do some of
• 45:23
  Speaker 12: the foolishness, is this guy wants to do It'll, I'll
• 45:27
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  Speaker 12: Taylor Books will not allow me to have another book sounding,
• 48:45
  Speaker 12: so they'll just be there, Okay, you ain't good and
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: buy them, and another fifty are going to go over
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: to There's a place several on the West side people
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: don't know about, Oh, West Virginia Company.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned that last week.
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: It's over on Central Avenue. We call it Bill's Books, okay,
• 49:05
  Speaker 12: because it's operated by Bill. But he's he sends them
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: out and he's got orders for them already. He's already
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: got fifty fifty orders of books sold. And they've got
• 49:18
  Speaker 12: almost they've they've got almost like oh, they've got over
• 49:22
  Speaker 12: one hundred orders down there Taylor Books. It's a good book.
• 49:26
  Speaker 12: It's a Charleton book. It is it's great. And if
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: all that doesn't work, you can go to Amazon now.
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: On Amazon right now, you have to buy the paperback.
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: But I got a paperback and it's not bad at all.
• 49:41
  Speaker 12: It's it's good. It's just different, but it looks the
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: same and.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: It's a book. And so I had to let us
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: know when we get them back in circulation because people
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: have been blowing me up asking about it too. So
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: I want to make sure I get it on the
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: air so people will know about it. Texas can Danny
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: point to a source that who's mom Doami is an Islamist.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Most of what I've seen from him, he doesn't even
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: address religion.
• 50:05
  Speaker 12: Well, you'd have to go back. He's his words towards
• 50:10
  Speaker 12: Israel and uh you mean now, oh okay, I agree, okay,
• 50:17
  Speaker 12: but his history is uh his he's in Islamist. He
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: he he wants to do what they've done in Dearborn, Michigan.
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: They've got streets named after terrorists. I mean they want
• 50:32
  Speaker 12: to I mean they want the women to be wearing
• 50:36
  Speaker 12: the beekeeper suits.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: I mean he's he actually said that though, because I
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: haven't seen that.
• 50:41
  Speaker 12: What Madami, Well, you haven't heard it because you haven't
• 50:44
  Speaker 12: been paying attention to him. Now, I mean, now, he's.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Not gonna say okay, okay, I got, you got, but
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: he's got a history, okay, all right, all right. But
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: theyve Island showing five dye line bright you probably by
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: your hometown baseball team, the Charleston Dirty Birds. Just a
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: couple of more nights left for Selango law Life, the
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: nights over Gomark Ballpark three January. First, get chickets in
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: advance by visiting Dblightthnight dot com. I wanted to bring
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: this up for you. Charleston has an election coming up.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Mayor Goodwin's already an outsplans that she's gonna run for
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: reelection for a third term, and then she says, that's it,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: all right, anybody runs against her.
• 51:16
  Speaker 12: I don't know of anybody. I told her. I don't
• 51:22
  Speaker 12: think so. I told her a long time ago, run
• 51:27
  Speaker 12: for seven terms, but don't run for one more term,
• 51:30
  Speaker 12: and you want to now, I think she realizes three
• 51:33
  Speaker 12: terms is enough. Three terms is enough for me. But
• 51:36
  Speaker 12: I ran for four and I got the Civic Center done.
• 51:40
  Speaker 12: But my help started turning on me, council turned on me,
• 51:44
  Speaker 12: and plus I didn't want to be there, and you
• 51:47
  Speaker 12: can tell it, and I mean I did, but I didn't.
• 51:51
  Speaker 12: I didn't have the enthusiasm I had the first time,
• 51:55
  Speaker 12: and I was in my mid sixties. And but I'm
• 52:01
  Speaker 12: I'm I mean, I wouldn't trade my I enjoyed being
• 52:07
  Speaker 12: mayor of Charleston. I didn't enjoy anything like being sheriff
• 52:10
  Speaker 12: of Kenoda.
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: That was the dream job for you, that was the
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, wait for book two. Maybe you should
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: do a whole book about just your time of sheriff
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: and nothing else.
• 52:20
  Speaker 12: I'm writing, here's this time of year.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Ago I couldn't get you to write a book, and
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: now you're become Stephen Keing.
• 52:26
  Speaker 12: I'm writing. I've already written twelve short stories.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: All right, so we'll look forward to reading. Danny. We'll
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: talk to you next week. Thank you, all right, Thanks
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: a lot. No local show again tomorrow. Dale Cooper will
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: be in for me. I will be back later today
• 52:40
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• 52:42
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