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Ancient Water Gods - Did They Come From Beneath Our Oceans? | Billy Carson · 4biddenknowledge Podcast

• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Why do so many ancient gods across cultures seem to be related to water?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what scientists say could possibly be true.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: If they could find a planet with water, there must be life.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: So when we go to like Gobekle Tepe, you see that there's these columns, and if you look closely, the beings that are depicted there, long, slender beings, hands wrapped at the waist.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you see what looks like him, you know, seated upright, and he's mod, you know, he's holding levers and gears, he's got a nose apparatus, he's seated in the vertical position, just like our astronauts when they're in a rocket ship.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so why do so many ancient gods across cultures seem to be related to water, like the Nomo or you know, other people wearing the fish shoots or uh the god of the ocean or the waters?
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: What is that?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can go down the list, obviously, starting with Anki and Sumerian, but you know, some of the top-level ones like Poseidon, uh, Neptune, but then you get into like, you know, the you know, the Toltecs and you know Hindu cultures, they all have these references of what appear to be some type of a god either associated with the water, representing some type of a suit coming out of the water, or as you mentioned, an association with literally like I'm a fish god of some sort.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's very interesting that there seems to be a cross-cultural story there.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, maybe there's something to do with where they come from being a watery planet, uh, but it is an interesting segue into realizing, you know, who are these people that are visiting us and where do they come from?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: We start to look for patterns of recognition.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's definitely one of them.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it really is incredible that you can see this pattern of recognition around the entire planet.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, it's like one continent over here, another continent over here, all a very similar story, and always surrounding water, which means you know what scientists say could possibly be true.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: If they can find a planet with water, there must be life.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and it what's you know, what's really interesting too, Billy, is we spill it spin it into current topics, right?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of these gods that are represented um look as if they're wearing like an old suit that you would deep dive.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: And and you're like, well, what does this what does this mean?
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_02: We have to we have to understand that um most likely, yes, they're doing their best to represent visitations with these creatures, but what if they're from our own planet?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: And there's that whole other subterranean existence in our oceans that we still don't still don't know, we still don't know.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I I wonder recently with things going on, right, coming out of the ocean, especially living here off the coast of California.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what's freaking down there, you know?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, could be ancient gods.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: We we would never know because we haven't even explored the oceans.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's quite possible there could be some level of an advanced civilization.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: I remember reading one time that in um uh in Christopher Columbus's captain's log, this back in the 1400s, he wrote down in his law, which is a very important document to write.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: You don't write in your captain's log for just you know because you feel like you have nothing else to do.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: He wrote that something came up out of the ocean and lit up the entire night sky and flew off into the heavens.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, what could that have been since they didn't have any light pollution, they didn't have electricity and everything else?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like it could have been one of these USOs.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what you said earlier about connecting the dots is you know, we might see one reference of a cultural belief, and you look at this and say, Oh, it's mythology.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they're just depicting their gods.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: But when you can make those nuanced connections across the globe to other cultures, other references, and even modern references, it it doesn't give us the answer, but it makes the question mark larger, of more importance to be like, why?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, recently uh we just took about a hundred people on a tour of Egypt just back in October of this year, last year now.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the year's running by so fast now.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um for the first time, well, I've seen this in Egypt.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I had heard about the the very slender type beings, but I saw them depicted on some vases and some jars and uh and some other um pieces of artifact inside the Cairo Museum, which I had never seen them before.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: I had heard about them, but I had never got a chance to see them.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think the exhibit was up at the time I went from 2014 and 18, whatever.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so now other cultures have talked about these slender type beings.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Do you believe that there's a some some type of a race of slender beings, some call them ant people or whatever, that's linked to these ancient civilizations?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Billy, I again, it's just one of those markers that I've seen across the globe where you have, you know, in the Sumerian lexicon, there's various depictions of uh them being very pious, I think is the word, but you see them with their hands wrapped at the waist and they look very humble.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, I noticed that this pose was happening across other cultures, uh, and sometimes in the form of their gods.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: So when we go to like Gobekle Tepe, you see that there's these columns, and if you look closely, the beings that are depicted there, long, slender beings, hands wrapped at the waist.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: Bada Valley in Indonesia, similar statues found.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: And the ones that really caught my attention were you know, the Moai heads uh at Rapanui.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like, well, they're not just heads, actually, when you excavate down, it's a long, slender body, hands wrapped at the waist.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I theorize that maybe, you know, when we hear some of the more modern, like um ancient apocalypse, I think I'm saying that right, because my book was called Knowledge Apocalypse.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: I get it confused.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse, yeah.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you see that there's an association with these um, you know, gods coming from around the world, they show up right after a great flood.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and a lot of the depictions, again, seem to represent this possible race.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now, is it a lost race that departed from Atlantis and fed out to the other cultures?
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: Possible, or it's something else, right?
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you do see again the marker of that type of a race, uh, whoever they were, you know, definitely leaving a chain of evidence.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, you see it everywhere.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's you know, and what's so crazy is like you say, they seem to show up after these major events.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Even just recently, I had some video footage analyzed by our editors that looked like something crawling through the smoke of the fires over um over LA.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Just something, a glimmer of something moving in.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just so weird.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: I had it sent to them.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: I want to find out from them, from their professional opinion, you know, if this is one of those instances where they can't explain it.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because I send them a lot of stuff and they go, nope, no good, fake AI, whatever.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: So they they can analyze it.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm looking forward to finding out if this is another one of those incidents where we have a catastrophe, you know, and then these beings show up because it seems like that happens throughout history.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I I always wonder, do you think that they're guarding our skies, or do you think that someone's watching over us or just observing, or are these the watchers?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: What's your opinion on that?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Whew, we're gonna go down a rabbit hole with this question.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: I want to I want to bring up something and I won't forget at the end, it's called rods that fly through the air.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: If I forget, remind remind me to bring it up.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Billy, I I think that it's an open basket of what could it be?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, there's there's just a lot of stuff uh that that's happening, obviously, flying around in our skies and such.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I love the theories and exploring uh you know what we hear out there now around you know, giving it more of these official titles like UFOs became UAPs, fine.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: However, we can track them and still be on the same page, great.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: NHI, fine, not aliens or extraterrestrials, you want to call them that?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: Same thing.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like there's a baseline of conversation starting to take place that when we look at evidence like that, you know, um I I tell my wife and and and others the same thing.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like if I tried to explain to you a thunder shower or a lightning storm, I'm like, man, I went outside, all this water started falling, and these loud sounds and bolts of lightning, you're like, sounds dramatic.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: But once you experience it, you're like, wow, you know, a thunder shower.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the same thing with seeing paranormal phenomena, especially things, you know, like or what's being reported and like what we see in these videos.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't know until I see it firsthand.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um quick segue to that though, because you know, I know you'll appreciate this.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: I have something sitting here on my desk to to just talk about that topic.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: So let's go ahead and show you something.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I look at the sky.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: This is the first time I've probably said this on camera too.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: I look at the sky every night uh here where I live in Mission Viejo using these.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, nice.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: I love those.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Third end, you know, military grade night vision.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh nightvision for less.com.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Great site.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and this bad boy, a megawatt laser, which, you know, don't really want to flash at it too many times, but every night at 6 p.m.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm tracking these objects like you saw in that fire.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: They're not FAA blinking, they make no sound, and they're so high up there.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, and and they're going in different paths.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, at one several times there's like six in view, and I'm like, what is what is this?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Some kind of a highway up there, right?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, so I have no idea what those objects are, but I definitely am aware that, you know, uh there are things flying around in our skies, um, you know, if you're if you're paying attention.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's definitely things up there.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: We did a UFO hunt three years in a row, and we went out to Giant Rock in the middle of the desert.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's a great spot.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: We found this nice cliff that we can just hike up this cliff and camp out.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: And you're right, around a certain time, the sky just literally lights up with these moving objects.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so we take our satellite tracker with us on our apps, and we take the ISS tracker to make sure it's not the International Space Station, and of course, the flight trackers to make sure planes, right?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we're very careful to make sure we're not looking at technology that's ours.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, we have seen technology that is ours because we're tracking everything, but I'm telling you, we saw so many incredible things that weren't on the apps that weren't being tracked by the ISS, there wasn't ISS, there wasn't a satellite, it wasn't Starlink, it wasn't uh an airliner.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: What were these things?
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: And some of them would connect and stop and then go around each other, and then and then one would take off lightning speed, another one would slowly move, and then it's gone again.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: And the people we took were like blown away because some of them had never seen a UFO before.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so I know what you're talking about.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: That that dark sky, if you have the right technology, like those infrared goggles you have, you can see some of the most incredible things while everyone's just walking around living their lives.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: There's a whole thing going up in the sky that's so incredible.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: We need to start looking up more.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with you a thousand percent on that.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: I probably look like a like, you know, my net my neighbors will walk by, and I'm just you know, it's dark and I'm just sitting in there like this with this thing in my eyes.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and they're like, so yeah, I mean, you know, when you look at the sky through your naked eye, it's it is beautiful.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, even from the desert where there's less ground light, but when you put on night vision goggles, it's a different experience.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, wow, all that is there, and when you pay attention, yeah, there's other things there.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: There's not we were at um Egypt, we were in Egypt, I think it was two years ago, and we took a we had about 75-80 people with us on a tour.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: We were standing inside the Sphinx enclosure on a sunrise tour, VIP sunrise tour.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: And while we're there, yeah, it was it was phenomenal.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And we were showing them the um the enclosure wall and how it's you know, you can see the weather pattern, the weathering from erosion of water moving across from from west to the east.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: And while we're doing that, one of the people who had their cameras out recording us says, What is that?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we record this object flying around above us, and it moves, moves, moves, and then just takes off and disappears.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Nice and we've got it on video, yeah.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: A good video too, which I'll add to this video.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's great.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the only, the only, you know, like my my wife's like, Well, you should start recording these.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I say to her, Well, why?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I can add to the dots, the collection of knots flying in the sky.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's nothing I can do, right?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's one of those things where it's like, if you experience put these on and look at the sky, and you then you walk away going, huh, watching a video of it's not the same, right?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not, it's never the same as seeing it in person.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like saying you saw the pyramids on a on a documentary or on Google instead of being directly at the base of the pyramid itself.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's two totally different things.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's that this sounds like the basis of a movie called Goodwill Hunting.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: And speaking about these flying things in the sky that we can't identify, talk to us a little bit about Pakal, Lord Pakal, and his sarcophagus lid.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's a lot of these uh artifacts that we have of a representation of flight across various cultures.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, Pakal's tomb, I think, is a really, a really interesting one to highlight.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: One, because his tomb is built literally underneath a pyramid.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, this slab is so large, there's no way that they could have built the pyramid and then like brought it underneath there.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: So his tomb was literally constructed and a pyramid was placed on top of it.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: And the sarcophagus lid, you know, very clearly depicts.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: You can just Google Pakal with a P and then a K Pakal.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you see what looks like him, you know, seated upright, and he's mod, you know, he's holding levers and gears, he's got a nose apparatus, he's seated in the vertical position, just like our astronauts when they're in a rocket ship.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, you literally see depictions of what look like flames coming out the bottom.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: So that depiction of Pakal is very interesting again when we look across cultures, um, and you see that the Sumerians have even a word for something called the Shem that would detach and come down to the surface, you know, and it looks like a landing capsule.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like we use the same thing, you know, the parachute opens and it comes up.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it literally looks like the same thing.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: So you see a lot of these different things.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: I found a uh a tomb of a governor called Hoi, an Egyptian governor, and on on the uh the you know, the cover of his tomb is an inscription that shows what what appear to be like animals and plant level, giraffes and such, but then there's a ground level, and it clearly looks like a rocket going like it's sitting underground, and you can see people that are inside the rocket.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think a lot of these depictions again are just showing us that you know the ancients were aware of and were probably utilizing through the gods in some form the power of flight.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: When you go to sites like Balbek in Lebanon, um, and you hear about the ancient tales of Baal and and even uh, you know, the visiting people like um King Gilgamesh and some of these uh greats that have come there, and they're like, you know what?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: I saw the gods going off and coming up in these loud sounds of smoke and fire.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds like a rocket ship.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why they were using rockets, but there you go.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's when you when you read these ancient accounts of these flying machines, it's strange because some of them make so much rumbling and noise, just like our modern day rockets, and some of them have the ability to fly silent.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like the evolution of technology took place prior to us learning about chemical rockets and rocketry.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Eventually, we'll have devices.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think the militar the U.S.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: military probably has flying machines that don't make a lot of sound, probably like the TR3B, the Flying Triangle, Aurora, the Aurora project, and some other technologies that are black budget projects.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it's almost like we're just repeating a cycle again.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like it seems like we're just rediscovering something that already exists, and it might be that our scientists and researchers are just investigating the ancient past and taking ideas from what happened before and then reinventing it now.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, most definitely.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the whole rocket thing, though, it it does trip me up a little bit as an ancient technology researcher.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well, where's the UFO?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Where's the you know gravitic mercury plasma-driven drive that, like, there it is, you know.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of these depictions, right, of of this more primitive form of technology, I still again start to equate it to, I agree with you, there's an evolution perhaps in the types of tech that was used.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: Not sure why.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's just you know, cultural.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but there could be a similarity with, for instance, let's say, you know, let's say the Anunnaki theoretically used some form of a rocket.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it could be very interesting that Werner von Braun and others were like, hmm, rockets.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then if you look at rockets today, like, you know, they're like self-landing themselves, and like, you know, it's you know, you're gonna be like, oh, look, it's a rocket landing.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no big deal.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe the technology for us in the next 20 years with AI and things with rockets and other forms of propulsion that can be harnessed without having to be like a civilization zero and we're taking it from the planet.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe there's some other way we're like, oh, look, rocket fuel can be synthesized out of water.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: We we might start to look again at the ancient evidence of rockets and see a deeper connection that's still just not apparent to us yet.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, because I too have wondered, you know, why you know, if you're coming here from Nibiru or something, uh, you know, you have showing us you're traveling from Mars to Earth and other places.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Were you using rockets?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: I still don't know.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a mind-boggling thing.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: One of the theories I came up with, just a theory, was that potentially there could have been a breaking off where they got here through higher levels of technology prior generations, and then one or two generations may have felt like they were stuck here.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Somehow the technology of flight and interplanetary travel got lost, and they were redeveloping technologies trying to get back into space, so they started developing rocketry.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: I was just thinking, like hypothesizing what would happen here if you know we were an advanced civilization with anti-gravity, and then all of a sudden we had an EMP that destroyed all the communications, all the electronics, and we couldn't communicate for a while.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: We went back almost to like a bronze age type civilization, and we had to rebuild again.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we would we don't know.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean I know how anti-gravity works by just you know talking about it, but I can't build it.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe you'll say, well, we still have to travel in some way.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta we gotta use it utilize what we can, what we do know how to make, and maybe we'll make some rockets and some combustion engines and so forth, and so kind of working our way back up towards high levels of technology.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's only a hypothesis or a theory that I came up with.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: I like that theory.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: I would throw at you to say that at one point the gods chose to come down and confuse all of our languages.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's a truncated version of saying they wiped out all of our tech and EMP'd us and we couldn't do anything and we had to rebuild.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, there's that same evidence again of the the Tower of Babel, Babel, Babel.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: Why is it that culturally we were not able to work together?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: And as soon as we came together to reach the heavens again, literally, it says this in the Bible, you know, they they came down and confused our languages.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: So and it's interesting too that the Sumerian depictions of the Tower of Babel at the top, there's two suns depicted.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Almost as if they knew that we might be a binary star system, which is a whole other conversation that we might touch on as far as cycles of time and such.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, yeah, we get all pieces of evidence, right?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, that's what it's all about, just researching and looking for every single glimmer of evidence or information or corroborating evidence that we can discover so that we can just create uh, you know, paint ourselves a better picture.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mean that we're a thousand percent right, it just means that we're using circumstantial evidence to paint a picture so that we can have maybe a clearer vision of what may have happened in the ancient past.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: I usually try and tell people, you know, look, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still trying to learn myself.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: What I can do is say, here's the evidence that led up to me having an opinion.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: I base my opinion on all this stuff.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: Let me share it with you.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: You decide.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: And there's no other way I can really do that.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very respectful to everyone's beliefs and ideas, yeah.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, because you know, that's how we learn and grow.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Very true, very true.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: And speaking of this, you know, these cycles of technology and rise and fall of civilizations, do you think the mind calendar try to predict the end of time in 2012?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think it was partly the media and uh, you know, in our civilization at in current times not understanding cycles of time, right?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: So um we looked at that and said, oh my god, you know, it's it's another doomsday date, they've predicted it.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um ah, yeah, no, it turns out that you know the this the the Mayans had uh multiple calendars that were you know served different purposes, and they had this long count calendar that was more for predictions.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, on that calendar, separate from the one about like cycles of time, but on this prediction calendar, they said, Oh, you know, at a certain time, our God Kuku Khan is going to return.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, there were there were signs, uh, you know, a comment showed up, and the advisors were like, Look, you know, Cuku, dude, is his sign, Cuku Khan's coming.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so when the conquistadors showed up, they were very fill for the fearful that, oh my god, it's Cuckoo Khan, he's gonna like wipe us out because we are following Huitzlipotle, this you know, bad god, essentially.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so they were like fearful, and they adorned the conquistadors with all their gold and and and you know assets and such.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: And uh what do they do?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh, first of all, the priests and the conquistadors were very much uh you know, like were scared of the level of technology and understanding of the movements of the heavens that they presented.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: It was way beyond what they could, you know, comprehend.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so that scared them, and they destroyed all of their knowledge, burned all their codices, you know.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it's it's a real interesting way to look at um, you know, some of the ways advanced knowledge has uh has been perceived by other cultures.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: And the Mayans definitely had that glimpse of predictions that not always not always came right, but their calendar system was extremely accurate.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they showed cycles of time, right?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: So 2012 was just basically the ending of an age, the age of Aquarius.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: They knew that you know it every 2,000 years there's this new North Star that there's cycles of time.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just like the clock hitting midnight, it just keeps going again, right?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so that was the the understanding is to realize we're now moving into a new age.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: We've jumped from Pisces to Aquarius, and you know, everyone can think of that as again more mythological and fuzzy and such, but when you look into the data, you could literally track how Pisces, Jesus, that whole time period since 2012 has kind of shifted its focus and and and non-traditional ideas, non-North American white traditional ideas, thank God, have been expanded, right?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: To a much more accurate set of saying, well, where do we really come from?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: So that's just alignment with the age of Aquarius, you know, an expansion of knowledge.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I find that interesting that there are these cycles um, you know, that that we can point to and trying to understand how does it affect us sometimes on larger scales of time.