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Best Of The Bus: Aaron Rodgers Opens Up About His Ayahuasca Experience & His Relationship With Matt LaFleur · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: Arguably the greatest quarterback of all time, and we got
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  Speaker 1: him on a handheld mic.
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  Speaker 2: This is a prank?
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  Speaker 3: There's like a buzzing noise that is apparently going on
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  Speaker 3: with that.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, this is a prank. We're grinding. No prank. We're grinding. No.
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  Speaker 3: This is the grittiest podcast you will be on.
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  Speaker 2: Is it Grit Week?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's Lunch Pail Week. We call ours Lunch Pail Week.
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  Speaker 1: EMT boys do the Grit Week. We steal everything that
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  Speaker 1: they do and.
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  Speaker 3: Make it our own.
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  Speaker 2: Don't steal that shit.
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  Speaker 3: Did you go on it?
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 3: How would you think?
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  Speaker 2: I had a good time. Yeah, a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Big cats big on you being in prison, you being
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  Speaker 1: in jail, not liking you.
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  Speaker 3: How's that relationship between you guys?
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  Speaker 2: Been great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, really good. Big thanks to Caleb Presley. He kind
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  Speaker 4: of put everything in motion.
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  Speaker 1: So I was working out with Caleb Presley two days ago.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted an accountability buddy. I was like, bro, I'm
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  Speaker 1: all for it. I'm all for the accountability train. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm chilling. You're chilling. Like, let's do this thing. And he,
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  Speaker 1: this is his quote, Aaron Rodgers is the coolest dude
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  Speaker 1: I've ever been around.
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?
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  Speaker 2: He's out there. Aaron's pretty cool. He's gotten cooler over
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  Speaker 2: the years. Thanks, Bob.
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  Speaker 3: Did you guys hang in a Tahoe? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I had him over to the house I was renting
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  Speaker 4: and we did the episode Sunday conversation, which is coming
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  Speaker 4: out a couple of weeks, probably maybe three.
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  Speaker 2: Or four weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's outrageous. Absolutely outrageous. And then he stuck around. He
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  Speaker 4: stuck around. Him and Glenn?
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  Speaker 3: Glennie Balls.
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  Speaker 2: Glennie Balls, yeah. Come on now, Glennie Balls, baby. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that dude is amazing. Specimen. Slays.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. He just sits there and eats ice cream.
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  Speaker 1: He's talking about how he's hanging out with, like, the
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  Speaker 1: Hooters women, and they're, like, feeding him grapes and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Lenny Balls is a legend.
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  Speaker 5: Now he has his own, where he, does he have
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  Speaker 5: his own podcast with all, like, Yeah, where he sits,
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  Speaker 5: it's called Only Stands.
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  Speaker 2: Porn Stars and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's where he sits with porn stars and talks
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  Speaker 3: to them, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Good for him. That's true.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he talks to chicks with Only Fans accounts, big ones.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he talks about, like, I guess, like, he talks
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  Speaker 1: about sex and orgies and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Good for him. Good for him. He's making it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But welcome to Bustin' with the Boys, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: This is huge for us. I hit up my man, Rob.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, on the last pod that just
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  Speaker 1: came out this week that everybody can listen to. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you think if we got the bus to
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay, like you think the boy 12 would get
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  Speaker 1: on the bus? And he was like, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: Rob made it happen. I really appreciate all of this
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  Speaker 1: because this is, this is a big move for bus
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  Speaker 1: with the boys.
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  Speaker 2: We did it.
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  Speaker 4: We did it guys.
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  Speaker 1: We got, we got them on my first question. I
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  Speaker 1: apologize for continuing to interrupt. I've had a lot of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous too.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of how you played most of the time yeah
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  Speaker 4: bam that boy was.
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  Speaker 1: Shaking in his butt the biggest rivalry the sport has
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  Speaker 1: ever seen Will Compton Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 4: Nice post the other day too by the way really
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  Speaker 4: good post the one about me and you I heard
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  Speaker 4: in the fumble I was.
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  Speaker 1: Wondering if you saw that I appreciate that if you
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  Speaker 1: ever want to hit that username and hit the follow
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  Speaker 1: button that's up to you you don't have to say
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  Speaker 1: what you're gonna do on here because I don't want
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  Speaker 1: my feelings hurt very early but I appreciate that man.
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  Speaker 2: My first question Twitter is the new MySpace.
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  Speaker 3: Why do you say that?
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  Speaker 4: I just thought about that the other day, and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I like that line.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good line. They had a chance.
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  Speaker 4: To be on top, and now I feel like Instagram
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  Speaker 4: came up, and then all these kids are on TikTok now.
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  Speaker 1: See, I think Twitter still hasn't scratched the surface.
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  Speaker 2: That shit shouldn't even be free, dude.
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  Speaker 5: Some of the shit, the threads that go into Twitter,
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  Speaker 5: like if you go dive deep into Twitter, it's the
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  Speaker 5: funniest app.
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  Speaker 2: You disagree.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: I think Twitter is the funniest app.
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  Speaker 2: Deep. Yeah, but see, again, we're like working on Aaron's humor, too.
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  Speaker 2: He's got humor? No, we're just getting funnier.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we're trying to get him funnier.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think Twitter's the funniest app out there?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't. What do you think is more funny?
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  Speaker 2: I think Instagram is funnier. Like the memes? But that's
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  Speaker 2: where they get their memes from. The harmony.
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  Speaker 1: But, bro, you would never saw my clip and my
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  Speaker 1: caption had it not been on Twitter. And only something
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  Speaker 1: like that plays on Twitter. Like, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: scroll and see my Instagram post.
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  Speaker 3: No, probably not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, look what Will posted on Instagram. Like, you
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  Speaker 1: see Twitter go off, you kind of hit it because
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  Speaker 1: you want to see some of the comments and the
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  Speaker 1: funnies that follow it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's turning into the MySpace, though.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: We can agree to disagree.
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  Speaker 4: You still think Facebook is still rocking it?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think Facebook is awful.
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  Speaker 5: It's for 50-year-old, 60-year-old women who still check in on
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  Speaker 5: like 20, 30-year-old.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like people who comment.
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  Speaker 2: You know a lot of those type of people?
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  Speaker 1: People who comment a lot on like errands, like whether
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  Speaker 1: it's games, stuff off the field.
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  Speaker 3: Like those are people who live on Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 3: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: More of like the white collar, like the older people,
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  Speaker 3: the older generation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I like the blue collar, gritty folks. What app are
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  Speaker 4: they on?
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  Speaker 3: They're on Bustin' with the Boys.
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  Speaker 2: They're right here.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they're on.
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  Speaker 2: This is this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My first question, man.
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  Speaker 2: A little warm.
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  Speaker 1: It is a little warm. It's a little toasty. Is
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  Speaker 1: ayahuasca the key to success?
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  Speaker 4: Question man are you asking a serious question you want
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  Speaker 4: a serious.
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  Speaker 1: Response it's like i like that fun you've got.
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  Speaker 2: To be in a jackass you think it's like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here because i listened to your podcast with
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  Speaker 1: aubrey marcus by the way i thought it was phenomenal
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  Speaker 1: taking a deep dive into you you're very like open
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  Speaker 1: and transparent like the whole controlling the narrative thing like
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  Speaker 1: juices me up because that's why i like love doing
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  Speaker 1: this shit because people talk freely and kind of it's
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  Speaker 1: the people behind the helmet you get to know them
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  Speaker 1: more had you not really all you see them as
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  Speaker 1: is what articles are written on them out there and
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  Speaker 1: everybody else commenting We don't say enough because we want
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  Speaker 1: to keep our helmet on and appease everybody inside the
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  Speaker 1: building because it's not about us. But I really appreciated
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  Speaker 1: that episode. I asked that in fun. The serious part,
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  Speaker 1: you can go listen to that episode because you obviously
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  Speaker 1: talk openly about your trips, your fucking, all your little
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  Speaker 1: rides that seem very interesting. You're getting emotional. I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: emotional listening to it. And I'm wondering if I get
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  Speaker 1: on this ride, Am I going to have year 10?
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  Speaker 1: Am I going to put together back-to-back MVP seasons? Because
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  Speaker 1: that's what the narrative is getting painted as now, that
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  Speaker 1: Ayahuasca is the reason you've won back-to-back MVPs.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to run with whatever narrative they want. I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a lot to unpack in that question based
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  Speaker 4: on some of the things that I have seen about it.
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  Speaker 2: But look, it's my experience.
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  Speaker 4: I speak for myself, and I had a fantastic experience
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  Speaker 4: both times, the first time I did in Peru and
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  Speaker 4: the second time down in Central America. Very thankful for
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  Speaker 4: the lessons that I learned on that. But classic, this culture,
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  Speaker 4: you know, if you can't monetize it, then they're going
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  Speaker 4: to demonize it. And ayahuasca, I've seen some crazy headlines about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, psychedelic drug.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's a plant, number one. It's just a plant, dude.
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  Speaker 4: It's been used for generation after generation after generation in
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  Speaker 4: Central and South America. And so as far as research goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's thousands of years of research around using this plant
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  Speaker 4: in medicinal ceremony. And there's a lot of benefits to it.
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  Speaker 4: For me, it was like I talked about, you can
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  Speaker 4: go listen to the podcast, but it was two really
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  Speaker 4: deeply meaningful experiences. But You know, if you're not into it,
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  Speaker 4: that's fine. But projecting your own opinion onto something without
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  Speaker 4: understanding what it is doesn't advance any conversation further. And
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of research around a number of different
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  Speaker 4: things labeled as drugs, like psilocybin, which is mushrooms, which
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  Speaker 4: is a fungi, and the demonization of marijuana that's gone
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  Speaker 4: back to, you know, the 1800s, really. um, and hemp
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  Speaker 4: and the war against hemp. There's a great book about that. Um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think that's what people who want to
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  Speaker 4: monetize health have done to many things that are plants
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  Speaker 4: that actually have incredible healing properties.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the Chinese.
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  Speaker 4: They've been using herbs for thousands and thousands of years
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  Speaker 4: and I'm rambling now, but the point is there are
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  Speaker 4: like real substances, plants, you know, herbs, uh, fungi that
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  Speaker 4: have been healing people for a long time. And then
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  Speaker 4: there's pharmaceutical stuff, which some is very, you know, important
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  Speaker 4: and it helps people with certain specific causes, but, uh,
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  Speaker 4: there's also an industrial complex that really wants to make
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  Speaker 4: money off of health.
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  Speaker 2: So when you, we've talked about this, but I'm just
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  Speaker 2: kind of asking questions. Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 3: He's fired up. I know he's, he's, he's your game
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  Speaker 3: ready right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I just kind of asking questions for Will to
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  Speaker 5: kind of hear it out. Cause we've, we've talked about
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  Speaker 5: your trips and experiences and, uh, your visits to these countries,
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  Speaker 5: but for like him, who doesn't know, like what goes
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  Speaker 5: about that? Like when you drink it and like, how
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  Speaker 5: long is the experience? What do you do? What is the,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to say vibe because it's obviously more
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  Speaker 5: important than like intent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we're pro vibes on this bus, brother.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I dispelled again. I talk a lot about this
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  Speaker 4: in the podcast, the short version. is, uh, it's in
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  Speaker 4: some sort of, um, you know, ceremonial environment. So some,
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  Speaker 4: you know, yurt or a tent or, uh, Maloka, like.
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  Speaker 5: In the, like in a jungle or like in Central America,
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  Speaker 5: we're in a jungle.
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  Speaker 4: Um, there was, you know, it was a week long thing.
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  Speaker 4: There was 22 people on the trip. There was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: eight facilitators at the, at the, uh, the center, uh,
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  Speaker 4: the shaman, you know, obviously comes in and there's a
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  Speaker 4: specific diet that you eat. There's three nights of sitting
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  Speaker 4: with the medicine and then a day off in between
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  Speaker 4: where there's integration, there's conversation around your experience. Um, but
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  Speaker 4: even way before that, there's, you know, talks about your
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  Speaker 4: fears around it, uh, the expectations of it. Um, So
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  Speaker 4: you feel really, really confident. You go into it with, like,
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  Speaker 4: the mindset of what you're trying to get out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, yeah. So it's not just, like, you're just thrown
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  Speaker 2: into it. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: It's very intentional. So you go in with an intention,
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  Speaker 4: you know, something you want to work through or you're
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  Speaker 4: open to.
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  Speaker 3: How hard is it to get to that intention? Because
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  Speaker 3: I'm obviously listening to you.
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  Speaker 1: And there's, like, stuff that you're having to, like, live
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  Speaker 1: in the scarring of it to, like, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole self-love thing that you talk about as well. Like,
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  Speaker 1: being intentional and trying to have the right mindset going
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  Speaker 1: into it. Like, me, I think about it. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 1: I probably have, like, you get to like an anxiety state. Like,
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  Speaker 1: is this the rabbit hole I want to go down?
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  Speaker 3: And is this the right decision? Like, how do you
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  Speaker 3: get to be intentional?
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  Speaker 4: Well, then it's not right. There's not time, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for you. It's not time. I think when you're ready, the,
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  Speaker 4: you know, things will come into alignment, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: the opportunity will present itself. But the key for me is,
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  Speaker 4: is the surrender. So surrendering to the intelligence of the
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  Speaker 4: plan or the intelligence of yourself, Or if you want
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  Speaker 4: to look at it to go on the journey to
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  Speaker 4: learn the lessons that need to be learned. Because when
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  Speaker 4: you're resistant, and it's just really anything in life, when
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  Speaker 4: you're resistant to things, obviously that water can't flow. That
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  Speaker 4: action can't happen. And when you are in a ceremonial
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  Speaker 4: space and drink ayahuasca, it's a very calm environment.
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  Speaker 2: It's dimly lit. You drink.
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  Speaker 4: There's mapacho being smoked, which is the sacred tobacco. which
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  Speaker 4: the shamans believe helps keep protection over the space. He's
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  Speaker 4: singing Icaros, which are very, like, generationally passed down songs
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  Speaker 4: to aid in the medicinal journey. And then there's multiple
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  Speaker 4: facilitators around who have sat with plants for, you know,
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  Speaker 4: much of their life, who can help if things get squirrely.
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  Speaker 4: There's a bucket if you need to purge or throw up.
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  Speaker 4: And there's bathrooms if you need to go to the bathroom.
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  Speaker 4: And other than that, it's usually you laying on your
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  Speaker 4: mat having a deep and meaningful experience.
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  Speaker 5: Are you with like other people? There's 22 other people.
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  Speaker 5: But they put you all in the same area? Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but you're in your own world. I promise you that.
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  Speaker 4: Will and I might be on mats next to each other,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm in my own experience and he's definitely in
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  Speaker 4: his own world.
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  Speaker 2: Will is definitely would be in his own experience.
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  Speaker 3: I'm shitting myself. There's no question. Whatever's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We're all in a, what I want to ask is
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  Speaker 1: I listened to that and I think like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: you do, you do something like that.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have, whether it's the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: off season or you get into the season.
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  Speaker 1: Um, what, how do you balance coming out of that
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  Speaker 1: and continue to be intentional with like living in that
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  Speaker 1: clarity or like living in protecting your mental from getting
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  Speaker 1: outside of yourself? Like, how do you stay intentional? Like
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  Speaker 1: what's like a routine you might stick to or like,
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  Speaker 1: books or how do you go about doing that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. All that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's, you know, as we're creatures of habit.
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  Speaker 4: So the routine during the off season, it's so nice
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  Speaker 4: to not have the routine to be able to make
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  Speaker 4: your schedule and what you want to do. And you
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  Speaker 4: have your workouts in the mornings usually and stuff. But,
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  Speaker 4: but when you get back, I think one of the
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  Speaker 4: things that we all love and appreciate is that routine
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  Speaker 4: that kind of keeps us focused on the here and now.
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  Speaker 4: But inside of that, we can't get locked into the
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  Speaker 4: same routine all the time. It takes three weeks to
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  Speaker 4: build a habit. And once it's built, it can stick
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  Speaker 4: with you, but it's keeping your mind focused on what
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  Speaker 4: you want to actually have your days look like. And
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  Speaker 4: for me, there has to be some sort of meditation.
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  Speaker 4: There has to be some sort of quiet period, especially
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  Speaker 4: when I get back from work where I can just
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  Speaker 4: like decompress because work is loud and there's a lot of,
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  Speaker 4: stuff that we're asked to do, you know, some more
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  Speaker 4: than others, depending on your position, your age, your importance
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  Speaker 4: to certain parts of the aspects of the chemistry of
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  Speaker 4: the team. And I think it's important to keep that balance.
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  Speaker 4: When you get home, having a space that's kind of
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  Speaker 4: just yours and having the time to be quiet and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and to decompress is important for me to
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  Speaker 4: kind of mentally stay sharp.
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  Speaker 3: I got another question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying not to be on your co-hosting game.
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  Speaker 1: So we pivoting going into like talking a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about ball and everything else.
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  Speaker 3: We just had on LeFleur and Basaccia.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, I would love to ask like your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on Basaccia coming into the team.
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  Speaker 3: I've played for him for a couple of years. I
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: think he's fucking a shit.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Like some of the best speeches you'll ever hear in
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: your life because they're like genuine.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Like he's authentic. Like, hey, what do you think of Basaccia?
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Best part is I like him. I definitely like him.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: I got back and he was like, Hey man, he
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: didn't respond to my texts.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean? He's like, I
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: sent you that picture. Did you not get it? And
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not this Bob knows. Sorry, mom, but I'm not
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: the best texter. And I was like, Oh man, I
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: must not have seen it. Anyway, he shows me like,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: then he sent me to a number like three numbers ago.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know where he got that number, but it
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: was like, I haven't had that number since like 20,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: you know, 12 or something. And it's like him. I'm like,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: The best part about this is you sent this fucking
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: picture to some random number. Not only that, but you
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: sent it to two numbers that I haven't had in
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: 10 years. So, you know, numbers get recycled.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: I was just being super genuine.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I always send a selfie.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like a Raiders shirt, like, looking all, like,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: mean mugged at the camera. It's like, Rich, what are
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: you doing?
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Wait, wasn't he in his white beater?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I think it was, yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: With a Raiders beanie on?
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: That's what it was, yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have that photo.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: It's just hilarious.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: That's the picture. Rich, Peter, Raiders thing. I'm like, best
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: part is you sent that to some random person.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: And he's upset that you didn't text him back about
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: that because he thought he was going to make you laugh.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: But then since I got him my real number, he's
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: been texting me nonstop. So I don't know if I
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: should have just said, oh, yeah, man, great picture.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Thanks for that. Oh, my gosh.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: No, I like Rich, though. We need an attitude change
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: on teams.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: It's a mindset.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Just, like, young guys coming in who don't, like, get it. Like,
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: where you, like, we get it. On draft, you have to, like.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: You get it, bro.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: You get it. You got to play special teams that
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: just make the team. Just to get in.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: He doesn't know.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I don't play teams.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: No.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I held a few times since. Yeah, it's not the same.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: And just kind of bringing that culture and, like, acceptance of, like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: you know, like that's like, it's okay. There's no like
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: pride in like being on special teams. Like there's no
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: like loss of pride. Like that's how you get there.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: And him being so straightforward and like black and white
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: about it is like the best thing for this team.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like creating like men when they walk
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: in the door, like to just like, and he teaches
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: football as a whole, like skill as a whole. He
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: doesn't just teach like special teams drills or like football drills,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: like fundamental drills that like you just don't get when
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: you get to the league.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: With, um, Going off of Versace, playing with LeFleur coming
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: in a few years ago. How's it been, like, you
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: guys sharing ideas, spitballing back and forth? There's obviously always
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the vibe out there of, like, you guys are both
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the head coaches of the team.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Like, talk about Coach LeFleur a little bit. I know
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you've got to be aware of that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: He was actually on here, and he told a really
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: cool story because I was like, yo, like, coaching 12, like,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you've been around. A lot of quarterbacks throughout your career, like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: what makes 12 different? He brought up, actually, it was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: both of you guys. He brought up a play from
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Detroit where you guys are literally talking right before as
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the play clock's winding down. And he, in his mind, thinks, like,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: he's not going to get this ball if he has
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: no clue that it's going down. And it was about
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to hit zero. And he calls a timeout. And he
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: was like, there's zero coming. Him and Rob are talking
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: back and forth. I call timeout before the clock hits zero.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: And Aaron just goes, like, he's like, Aaron comes over
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and just gets mad.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Like, God damn it, Matt.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: It was a touchdown. And he's like, it was a.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Learning lesson for him because... of how aware he is
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: about so many situations. Like, talk a little bit about
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: your head coach LaFleur.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Under that picture you just painted?
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: I thought you had the foundation.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Sometimes, you know, I'm learning. I'm learning as I get
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: better each time I get on here.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: There's been a lot of disinformation and misinformation about, you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: that was put out right away with Matt. We're not
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: going to be able to work together. I'm not coachable.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: you know, all this bullshit. We basically turned all that
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: on its head pretty quick. You know, I respect the
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: guy who works his ass off. And Matt has an
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: incredible work ethic.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: He really does.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, he is a grinder and he cares about it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: And the biggest dance we had to figure out was
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: pairing his knowledge of scheme with my knowledge of experience,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: you know, on the field. And obviously he's called games,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: you know, he was coordinator in Tennessee, but, but I
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: think after the first year in the off season, we
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: really paired those things up and we whittled down the offense,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: took out stuff that we never ran or that didn't work,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: kind of put a couple of things back in that
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: have worked in the past. And it changed a lot
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: of things. I think for our offense and changed how
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: him and I interacted. The trust was there and I
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: stopped feeling like, you know, I was a game manager
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: and he, I felt like we took the reins off of,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: or the blinders off of the offense and kind of
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: let us run free and had a couple of really
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: good years of offensive football. But I think I love
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: about Matt is that he's, he does have a growth mindset.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: And when he came in, the way he's talked to
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: the team in meetings, the way he interacts with the guys,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: he's still corny and has got his jokes, and we
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: fine him for bad jokes.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: The worst jokes. The worst, yeah. The worst.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: But he's really, he cares enough. He tries so hard,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: and you love that. And he fucking grinds, too.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, so how do you not respect that? The
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: dude fucking grinds. You come in, he's got five or six, like,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: really fucking good plays during the week, and you're like,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you for grinding so much. Also, you're getting skinny fat,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: so just check yourself, Matt.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: But no one has to pay attention to skinny fat
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: when you got eyebrows like that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And teeth is white. Like, obviously, I know I have veneers. Like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: immediately I saw you look down. Like, he has very
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: white teeth naturally.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like, he's got his eyebrows.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: He's got his white teeth. It's hard to look down
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and understand.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Did you ask him who does his eyebrows?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Great belly button, too.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: He's got a good belly button.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: No he is he does seem like somebody who he
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: understands he has like the awareness of his corniness and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: he knows like he's like i don't want to try
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and be somebody i'm not and i think he really
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: respects that this locker room is player led and like
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: he he uh he used an example of uh campbell
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: bringing it up and telling these guys are gonna have
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a reality reality check like this practice is hard now
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: because you guys like the vets or the established guys
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: aren't going to be playing a lot in this first game.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: And this is good for you because you guys are
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: going to have a reality check in the game.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And he stands there and he says, when you sit
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: back and hear guys say stuff like that, it just,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it takes, it takes like an expectation off because he's like,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I can say it as.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Much as I want.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But it comes from a place of, we're trying to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: work you guys as hard as possible.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: And like conversations that I've had with them, it's like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: for him at the beginning, it was, he didn't feel
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: like he was doing enough when he was letting those
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: players lead or like letting 12, like same thing with
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: two minutes. I feel like I was, that was coming
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: out of my mouth. That was coming out of my mouth.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I said it with Aaron with two minute was like,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: and we, I, we talked about it on the podcast.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: It's just like, Aaron barely knows what the next play
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: call is going to be. Obviously Matt's not going to
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: know my secrets, by the way, that's not secrets at all.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's the biggest.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Open-ended thought process ever. And it's like, no one knows
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the secret because there is no secret. Nobody knows what's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: going to happen next.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Only, you know, the secret, you never know.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: You never know, man.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: And I think like he was just more so at
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: the beginning and, um, Not like a pride or ego thing,
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: but just he wanted to be like a part of it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: There's ego in this, you know? Yeah. It's not... Everyone
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: has an ego. Yeah. Definitely some ego. It's like, well,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I want to be a part of it. I want
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to help out. That's the difference of, you know, year
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: 18 versus year five and a half.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Boy, what's the difference?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Ego. Yeah, it is ego. Right to it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah. No, I feel you. Because you're still
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: trying to... You're trying to have an 18-year career.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Right. Trying to be nice. That'd be awesome. Would be nice.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: He's... You can do it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I can't do it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: He can afford to just come out and say that. Well,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: but I do love that. I do love how.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Open you can be because it gives like a fresh
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: perspective to a lot of people on what goes on
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: in the mind of players that we can't necessarily.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: For being a young head coach.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: So to have like this locker room is so like
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: good to set a foundation for him, like moving forward.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I agree. And it's not like this everywhere. It's not
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: We got the best locker room in the NFL. Okay.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. No, you're not even talking about like.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Nobody left.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Well, I think there's fear around player-led teams ultimately, especially
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: with new programs, and there's always new programs in the league.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: So a new coach comes in, you know, he wants
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: to do his shit, and the last guy was an idiot,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: and I want my guys in here. And we have
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: so much turnover, it's hard to really keep the fabric
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: of what makes that place special there. And we naturally
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: have an amazing kind of fabric and aura around Lambeau
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: field and the Packers. But if we didn't have myself
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: and Sadie's and Mason and Bach and Bobby and Alan,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: some of these guys, you know, who've been around the
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: team copy for a long time, that's the fabric of
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the team. And then instead of like trying to insert
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: your own dogma and, you know, way of doing things
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: that has to be right. Going to those guys and saying,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: what's worked here? Like what works in Green Bay? Because
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Green Bay is different. Every place is different. What works
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: here that I can add into my philosophy and my
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: boundaries for the team and my, you know, goals and directions.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's what Matt did really well
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: was he simplified things. He came in, he said, there's
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: three rules. Like, fuck, thank you. It's three rules.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: What are they?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I'll put the team first. Don't make excuses and complain
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: and be on time.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Be prepared. Like, awesome. Okay.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: And then we're going to hold guys accountable if they don't.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Follow the rules. Sweet.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: All right. So it's just like simple shit.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. And then players take it over. Right.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And everybody kind of working together and like, obviously, yes,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: there's ego and all of it, but checking your ego
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: at the door while you're going into.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: You, I think that, um, What was the thing? The Players'
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Tribune that I kind of said in that letter was.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Humblebrag. Humblebrag.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Check it out.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't really write it, though.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, you wrote it. Hang on.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you wrote it. That's standard, though. Let's stop.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: You wrote it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: But, like, you don't even have to, like, check your
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: ego at the door. Like, it just naturally, like, just
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: goes away once you get around, like, the leaders in
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: the locker room. Because, one, we hold each other accountable. And, two, like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: we just actually, like, care about each other.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: You're not trying to come in here and, you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: be anything you're not like he's saying or like.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Why don't we fuck with each other too?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: You know, I think there has to be an environment
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: where you can have jokes and mess around.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Be boys. Tease each other.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: That's what like brotherhood's all about, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: You know, tearing you, picking at you, you know.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: You know, getting after you a little bit on where
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: you're sensitive and then building you up when we need
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: to build you up.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And that's what.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: That's what's great about our environment here.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Are you sensitive?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Is he sensitive? We're all sensitive about a couple of things.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: But no, like, there's really no one actually sensitive in
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the building other than Matt. Like, about jokes. But he's
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: gotten better. Yeah, he's gotten better. He's gotten better.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: But, like, when someone comes in with an ego and is, like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: loud and obnoxious or something like that, like, they're either
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: not here long or they, like, stick out like a sore.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Thumb in a bad way.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: You can, you know, we won't, but you can probably name,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I can in 18 years and you can
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: in how many years you've been here now?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Five and a half. Yeah, I mean.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: There's definitely a few of those guys who haven't stuck around.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Dude, and you're 18. You've played 18 fucking years, which
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: is unreal.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: This will be 18.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You've played 17, going on 18, going for back-to-back-to-back MVPs.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: But I think a couple.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Things that were glossed over, not glossed over, but what
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I really found interesting in that two-and-a-half-hour-long podcast you did
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with Aubrey is, you know, over the years, obviously you
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: have this mystique about you where.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Media and everybody else tries to separate you from the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: stuff you do on the field, how much you care,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: your actual competitive nature, how good of an actual like
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: leader you you are. People try and separate and create
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and it all gets away from
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: everybody else.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: But one thing I really like.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Listen to that I was like, that's fucking awesome to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: kind of hear him reflect on was just how competitive
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: you were going all the way back to sitting in
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: because I was the same way. Like I would sit
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: on rival's. and obsessed over being like, I'm fucking better
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: than this dude. Like I need to be trying to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: get to this camp. Like this obsession of like, I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: would sacrifice and say no to this stuff on weekends.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Like you've, you've like, that's the humanizing thing where it's like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Oh fuck. Like, yeah, every young cat is like that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And you're the same way that young kid that's like,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: love the game. And, uh, another thing like squatting 500
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: fucking pounds going into year 18 is Safety bar.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Hey, safety bar.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I justify it myself because I'm like, man, he squads
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: more than me. I don't think I can do 500
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: on the safety bar anymore. But I'm like... But that
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: is like... That competitive nature is what I'm trying to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: pull out from this based on being young and you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: going all the.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Way back to that and you kind of having that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: But it gets lost in translation because everybody's so obsessive
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of things that you do in the offseason that I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: think people lose sight of that little kid that was
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: still sitting probably... writing the coaches or fucking watching rivals
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: tape and trying to be the best or i need
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to get a scholarship to cal but um.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: That doesn't fit the narrative you know i think they've
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: they've definitely painted me as they want me to play
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: the villain role you know they have all different roles
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: in sports fun role can.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Be you say i fucking own you like in the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: middle of the season.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: Like it can be yeah yeah but it'd be much
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: more fun if it wasn't the villain role and he's
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: just doing that and just having fun.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I agree. Do you enjoy it? No, no, I'm saying
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: if it was painted. I'm not embracing the villain role.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that's how I'm getting painted, bro. That's a
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: sensitive fine.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I was literally just saying, I was saying it would
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: be much more like nice and like if he was
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: portrayed as, you know, who he actually is.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Right. I don't know. You want to
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: pay me as a villain? Cool.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Do you enjoy that? Like, do you have fun?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, I don't pay a lot of attention
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: to it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I know it's out there.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I know that's... You did speak in that podcast of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: times where, man, what was the word you're saying, but
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you're like, I knew I was acting.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Like, something about indifference?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I was talking about killing people with indifference.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, killing people with indifference.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: It's about murdering people.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think indifference has ever been a, you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: a part of the, you know, Part of the murder charge.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: But no, I was just saying that I do care deeply.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I care about excellence. I care about my teammates. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: care about setting the standard and living up to that standard.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I care about how I'm viewed in the locker room.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And I care about how I show up in the world.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I want to show up in the world exactly how
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: i see myself i think that's the goal for any
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: of us we want to be seen heard and understood
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: right i think that's kind of built into the fabric
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: of our humanity and you know for me i was
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: seen i was kind of heard but i was also
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: kind of an enigma because i didn't talk a lot
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: about my personal life but definitely not understood and so
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: there were a lot of narratives that got ran out
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: there about you know what they thought i was like
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: or what they expected or what they postulated or projected
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: i was like and it's been nice last few years
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: with you know doing pat show and being a little
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: more open with the media and then doing stuff like
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: this with you and i enjoy these conversations because i
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: think people get to you know see actually who i
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: am and they still don't like me that's cool whatever
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: at least you get to like hear it from me
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: like no no this is what i'm about yeah this
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: is who i am take it or leave it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Were you was there any type of i don't nervous
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: this might not be the right word but like getting
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: into doing the mcafee stuff like going out and showing
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: yourself and being vulnerable enough to talk about these things. Like,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: was there any type of hurdle you had to get
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: over doing that and getting comfortable doing it?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: How to do ayahuasca.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: How to do ayahuasca.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: It just goes back to the plant. Yeah, it just
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: goes back to the plant, man.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Listen, I think I got to the point of where truly,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: truly deep down not having anxiety or fear around what's
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: going to be said about me, knowing that the deepest
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: regret would be to not show up exactly how I
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: want to show up and to say exactly what I believe.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: And that was the acting part that I could actually
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: not respond and, and not care because I do want
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: to be seen how I see myself. I think we
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: all do. And a lot of people have said a
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: lot of things about me over the years and portrayed
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: me in a certain way. And this has been to
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: some extent, because you're never going to change people that
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: don't want to like, you don't like, right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Hate you i think you're.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: A diva ego maniacal narcissist whatever else they say but
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: he's not paying attention yeah he doesn't i'm just i'm
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: postulating you know that might be said but but in
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: the end uh to be able to have a voice
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: and take back my nerve to some extent um at
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: least just speak the truth about who i am and
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: what i'm about feels pretty good i love.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It man i admire it like i think it's i
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: think it's awesome that you're like when i heard you
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: were going on pmt and stuff my man We're supposed
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to be fucking sitting down with them. But I really
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: respect all of this stuff. Listen to that pod with Aubrey.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you listening to it. And we need more
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: people who can have conversations and highlight guys in the
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: league who are deep thinkers and interesting people and not
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: just your standard blah, blah, football bullshit stuff. Because there's
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: a lot of great stories in the league that don't
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: get told. A lot of great humans who are smart
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: and interesting and thoughtful. And I appreciate you, you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: highlighting those people and taking care of my boy, my
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: boy Big Bob.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Are we going to be rolling? Are we going to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: be a crew in due time? In due time, you know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: when you, you know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Do we get like those three-wheeled motorcycles and become a
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: motorcycle gang or what?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I would be down with that.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: That's the boys. A gang of love, right?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: That is true. Why did he want to kick me
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: in the balls? You said Aaron said he wanted to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: kick you in the balls.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I don't have a reason. I just said that's something
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you guys got to deal with.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I just felt like you took, you know, you posting
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: that video the other day was really hurtful.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Among other things. What else?
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: What else?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I forgot. Let's get it out. CTE.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I got a meeting in six minutes. Do we have
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: a tier time?
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: We don't because it was too short. What else do
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: we got to figure out, man?
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: How about this? We can cut this if Aaron doesn't
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: want it on, but I thought about it last night.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You ready?
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Can I ask one more question?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Before we do that, because I think it's major.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: How do you see yourself going out? Because you've played
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: 18 years.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: 17.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: 17 years.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: 17 years.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure Super Bowl's involved and stuff, but, like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: how do you see yourself going out? Is it talking
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: about that young 10-year-old Aaron Rodgers that loved this game
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: so much, has been so competitive, so you're always doing
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: yourself right by it? But, like, how do you see
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers going out when you do decide to retire?
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I see waking up and with a lot of gratitude
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: for 25 years playing the same thing, playing the same sport.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: however many years, I'm at 25. This is my 25th year.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: So whether it's 25 or 26 or 27, I'm counting like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: you know, junior college and Cal and high school.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: He was a grinder, Juco. Yeah. Yeah, Juco grinder.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: All I needed to hear was he was watching Rivals
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, I obsess.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I always fucking watch that too. I was like, man,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I'm shitty. I can't even get on. No self-doubt, but
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: you talked about you talked about.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: How it helped you build that kind of chip on
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: your shoulder, but Yeah, it did.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: But, you know, I think the time is going to
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: be pretty evident. When it's my time to hang it up,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: I'll know.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: And it'll be mental, hopefully. Physical, I mean, that's an
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: easy time when you know you can't physically do it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: But if I can still physically do it, it's just
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: the mental part. And is it time to move on
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: or time to keep it rolling and keep on chasing?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I support that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: What would you like to, what do you want to add?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Start one, bench one, cut one. Okay, this is my
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: last one, then I'm out. Me too. Go for it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: We're on the same team. Start one, bench one, cut one. Jordy, Tay,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Donald Driver. Cutting Tay. You broke my heart.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Got him?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: No, of course not. I can't do that.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: We already got what we needed.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Look, I'm cutting D-Drive. I only played with him. I
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: played with him less than the other two guys. We
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: had a Super Bowl together, so I thought I could
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: get him. We won a Super Bowl together. That's what
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I was saying. Also, Jordy was on that team. I
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: understand that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you. That's my question here. It is. What was
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: my question?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Donald brought the iPad.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I'm going to bench Jordy, and I'm going to start Tay.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Why are you benching Jordy? Because Jordy is a farmer now,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: and I saw him the other day. He put a
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: little bit of weight on. And Tay still looks good
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: and still the best receiver in the league. So I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: definitely starting Tay. I was in my friend's basement watching
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: him win a Super Bowl, sophomore year.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: We were all somewhere watching him win a Super Bowl.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I was there.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: He was in the Super Bowl winning it. We were
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: all just kids watching him win the Super Bowl. Hey,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I know you got to get rolling.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I tried milking this thing as long as I could.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: But I do appreciate you guys, man.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks, man. Thanks, Will.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: You know it's good. When the boys sweat together, that builds.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: That's equity, man.