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Sharri | 24 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good Evening tonight on the show.
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Speaker 2: Foreign investors get an unfair tax break to pour money
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Speaker 2: into green projects, while Australians face a higher tax bill.
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Speaker 2: Well why did the Albanezy government agree to these green's demands?
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Speaker 2: James Patterson will be here in a moment. The Sydney
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Speaker 2: Swans have been publicly shamed, Sponsors are dropping them, careers
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Speaker 2: are on the line, yet no police chargers. Has this
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Speaker 2: become trial by mob? I'll discuss with Ray Hadley shortly,
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Speaker 2: and Premier Chris Mins adds his voice to calls for
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission to be extended. Advocate Marney Peerlstein has
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Speaker 2: started a petition and she'll be here later. Plus the
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Speaker 2: sensational new mystery how a young mother was poisoned. Headley
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Speaker 2: Thomas is on the case and he confronts her husband.
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Speaker 2: He'll be on the show tonight, but first growing Anger
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Speaker 2: after the album Easy. Government has done a deal to
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Speaker 2: give foreigners generous tax concessions while punishing Australian business owners
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Speaker 2: and investors. The changes to the capital gains tax have
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Speaker 2: been controversial enough, with the government accused of stifling ossie business,
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Speaker 2: but now there's actually a loophole for foreign investment in
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Speaker 2: renewable energy. Now, foreign investors will be able to keep
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Speaker 2: the fifty percent capital gains concessions until twenty forty twenty forty,
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Speaker 2: meaning they'll only pay an effective rate of fifteen percent,
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Speaker 2: but Australian investors will lose the fifty percent CGT discount,
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Speaker 2: taking their rate up to around thirty percent.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: These legislative changes were quietly amended on Thursday as part
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Speaker 2: of a deal the alban Easy government struck.
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Speaker 1: With the Greens. Now this isn't well.
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Speaker 2: Known, but it's starting to cause immense anger. The Albanezy
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Speaker 2: government is accused of creating one rule for foreign investors
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Speaker 2: while punishing Australians trying to work hard and start a
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Speaker 2: business and two GB host Ben Fordham was fired up
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Speaker 2: about this today.
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Speaker 3: How twisted are our priorities? More than seventy percent of
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Speaker 3: investment in Australian clean energy comes from overseas, So why
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Speaker 3: do they get a special deal? Well, they claim without
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Speaker 3: the discount they wouldn't bother investing. Well, how do you
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Speaker 3: think the rest of us feel? Ossie investors feel exactly
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Speaker 3: the same way. We want a better deal too, or
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Speaker 3: we feel it's not worth it. Poor suckers paying tax
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Speaker 3: in Australia have to pay full freights, so.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to Chris Bowen's pet projects, there's a
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Speaker 2: generous tax break, and of course the renewable energy industry
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Speaker 2: has welcomed this, with Clean Energy Investor Group Chief executive
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Speaker 2: Richie Merseyan saying the lower CGT rate increases the chances
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Speaker 2: that this much needed source of capital will continue to
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Speaker 2: flow into Australia and support our future economic prosperity. But
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Speaker 2: as doctor Nick Coatsworth set on x, it's one tax
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Speaker 2: system for global capital, another for working Australians. And again
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Speaker 2: this is all because of a deal between the Greens and.
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Speaker 1: The Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: But for all hard working Australians trying to make a living,
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Speaker 2: support their family and get ahead, there's.
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Speaker 1: No such luck.
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Speaker 2: We all know the most fundamental principle of our justice
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Speaker 2: system A person is innocent until proven guilty, But it's
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Speaker 2: a premise that's quickly forgotten when serious, high profile and
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Speaker 2: shocking allegations emerge, and the Swans are being crucified in
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Speaker 2: public before any allegations of sexual assault have been properly tested.
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Speaker 2: The players haven't been found interviewed yet. Let alone charged,
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Speaker 2: Yet their judgment has been swift. The cod of public
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Speaker 2: opinion has handed down its verdict irrespective of.
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Speaker 1: What the truth may be.
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Speaker 2: In this mob mentality, some supporters want nothing more to
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Speaker 2: do with the Swans. Others, like Geraldine Doug the Journalist,
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Speaker 2: are sticking by them. She proudly posted a video of
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Speaker 2: herself at Sunday's game, singing the club anthem, and her
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Speaker 2: caption on the post was a win is a win,
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Speaker 2: whatever the circumstances.
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Speaker 1: Proud of them today.
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Speaker 2: Writer and Sydney Swan's ambassador Caroline Overington writes in The
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Speaker 2: Australian that when the women's game was over yesterday, hundreds
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Speaker 2: of fans walked out on a sunny Sunday afternoon, there
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Speaker 2: were many empty seats. She writes, as a general rule,
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Speaker 2: women don't cap a successful day at the office by
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Speaker 2: getting loaded up and calling male strippers to come and
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Speaker 2: entertain them, especially not if they've got.
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Speaker 1: Families at home. You're at work.
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Speaker 2: Standards of behavior are expected to apply, and that is
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent true. And the players surely knew better
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Speaker 2: than to be partying and hiring women in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the season or at any time. But poor behavior
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Speaker 2: as despicable as it is, it's not criminal conduct, and
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Speaker 2: the distinction matters again. At this point, no charges have
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Speaker 2: been laid. The full facts will presumably emerge through any
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Speaker 2: civil court cases now in the works and through the
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Speaker 2: police investigation. But meanwhile, the lefties at the ABC don't
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Speaker 2: even think the women involved should have a voice in
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Speaker 2: the media. Listen to this quite heated exchange between ABC
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Speaker 2: host Raph Epstein and Channel seven season journalist Chris Reason.
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Speaker 4: Chris, the police say the media have been harassing the women,
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Speaker 4: have you.
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Speaker 5: No, It looks in the woman that took my call
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Speaker 5: spoke to me at length about what had happened that night,
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Speaker 5: and she told me various things that were quite surprising
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Speaker 5: and actually asked me to include them in my report
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Speaker 5: that night, primarily the fact that she was now scared
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Speaker 5: for her life.
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Speaker 4: You're adding to the pylon. I mean she must have
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Speaker 4: felt under pressure. You're just another reporter, are you well?
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Speaker 5: No, I mean adding to the pilon.
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Speaker 4: You need to imperil the investigation.
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Speaker 6: I don't think they've gone that far.
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Speaker 5: Do you think journalists should put their pens down and
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Speaker 5: their phones off and not to ask any questions.
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Speaker 7: Story? You're elevating it.
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Speaker 4: I didn't have a room questions more important than police questions.
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Speaker 5: I don't think they at all. That's your words, not mine.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's an extraordinary exchange, and Chris Reason was doing
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Speaker 2: a good job as a journalist, as he always does,
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Speaker 2: because at the heart of journalism is speaking to those
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Speaker 2: at the center of a story, trying to find out
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Speaker 2: what they have to say, and then examining competing versions
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Speaker 2: of events to hopefully arrive at the truth. Never mind
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Speaker 2: the fact that there have been many cases where the
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Speaker 2: ABC has published claims well before facts have been established.
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Speaker 2: Take their Christian Porter story that finished his distinguished political career. Now,
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Speaker 2: those rumors could never be proven or disproven, given the
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Speaker 2: woman at the center had passed away, and the ABC
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Speaker 2: also rushed to publish rumors that Israel had bombed a hospital.
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Speaker 2: This was false and they later had to retract those reports.
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Speaker 2: Initial allegations are not always the final word. But as
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Speaker 2: the mob rushes to convict the Swan's, we should remember
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Speaker 2: that these are real people with families whose lives are
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Speaker 2: at stake. They are human and judgment should only come
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Speaker 2: when all the facts are known.
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Speaker 1: Now, Green Senator.
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Speaker 2: Nick McKim led a dangerous tirade accusing Labor and Coalition
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Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson of being captured by Zionist interests. And
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Speaker 2: when Patterson bravely and strongly and quickly called him out,
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Speaker 2: McKim attacked him further.
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Speaker 8: Have a look a.
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Speaker 9: Labor party that has completely lost its way, captured by
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Speaker 9: fossil fuel interests, captured by Zionist interests, captured.
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Speaker 7: By the Five Eyes Security.
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Speaker 9: What are You're captured by Zionist interests as well, McKim.
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Speaker 6: Well, I have withdrawn the comments made in Russian sen Patterson.
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Speaker 7: I am a Senator McKim.
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Speaker 6: I'm entitled to say that Zion's interests.
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Speaker 2: And it went on and he refused to withdraw the marks,
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Speaker 2: saying that Zionis interests had been captured by the Labor Party.
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Speaker 2: Now McKim has still refused to apologize for the disturbing outburst,
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Speaker 2: and worse, he's defending it. In response to a letter
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Speaker 2: from Zionis Federation President Jeremy Leebler, McKim wrote, I have,
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Speaker 2: as you asked, reflected on my statement that the Australian
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Speaker 2: government is captured by Zionus interests. I offer as my
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Speaker 2: response the truth Israel is perpetrating a genocide in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: The Australian government is complicit, Yadi, YadA, YadA, And Shadow
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Speaker 2: Defense Minister James Patterson joins me now Live, James, thanks
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Speaker 2: for your time. Look, what's your response to Nick mckim's comments.
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Speaker 2: He says he's reflected, but he stands by that dangerous
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Speaker 2: accusation made on the floor of the Senate.
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Speaker 10: The Greens have learned absolutely nothing from the last three
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Speaker 10: years in this country and the way in which they
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Speaker 10: contributed to the rise in Semitism which culminated in a
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Speaker 10: tragedy at Bondai Beach. You might remember a few years ago, Shari.
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Speaker 10: Another Greens MP, Jenny Leong, when you so well state mp,
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Speaker 10: was caught referring to the Jewish community by saying that
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Speaker 10: they had tentacles and that they were using those to
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Speaker 10: influence the community and government. Now she rightly apologized for that.
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Speaker 10: What Nick McKim has said is just a more professional
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Speaker 10: and polished way of making the same argument. Instead of
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Speaker 10: saying Jews, he said Zionists. And instead of saying that
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Speaker 10: they had tentacles, he said that Zionists interests had captured
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Speaker 10: the government. But it's the same sentiments arguing that Jews
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Speaker 10: in Australia are exercising improper and undue influence over the government.
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Speaker 10: It's one of the oldest anti Semitic tropes and it
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Speaker 10: is a dangerous one because anti Semites believe it, and
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Speaker 10: they draw no distinction between Zionist or Jew. They think
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Speaker 10: they're one and the same. I honestly think for the Greens,
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Speaker 10: how much worse does it have to get for them
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Speaker 10: to realize how dangerous this rhetoric is. How many more
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Speaker 10: incidents like Bond? How many more dead Jews will it
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Speaker 10: take before they reflect on their behavior and cease it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, and again thank you for calling it
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Speaker 2: out immediately the moment.
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Speaker 1: He said it in the Senator. It was so important
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Speaker 1: that you did that.
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Speaker 2: Now in New Southerwid's Premier Chris Means today supported those
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Speaker 2: calling for the Royal Commission to be extended to hear
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Speaker 2: from all voices. I spoke with a former judge, Ronald
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Speaker 2: Sackville last week.
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Speaker 1: He made similar remasks.
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Speaker 2: In fact, he said he personally would have requested an extension.
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Speaker 2: He's a farmer commissioner for the Disability Royal Commission. James,
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Speaker 2: do you think an extension is necessary and what other changes.
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Speaker 1: Do you think need to happen at the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 10: Once again, Chrismians shown great leadership. He showed the leadership
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Speaker 10: when he first called a new South Wales Royal Commission
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Speaker 10: while Anthony Alberanezi was refusing to call a Royal Commission,
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Speaker 10: and he's shown leadership again by recognizing that this Royal
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Speaker 10: Commission is not going to get the.
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Speaker 7: Job done on the rushed timeline.
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Speaker 10: The Albanezi government has given it and if the Royal
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Speaker 10: Commissioner won't ask for an extension, I think she would
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Speaker 10: be well within her rights to do so. Then the
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Speaker 10: Albaneza government should heed this advice from Chris Mins and
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Speaker 10: grant an extension so that it can get.
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Speaker 7: To the bottom of this crisis.
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Speaker 10: It's extraordinary to me that hearings are ending this week
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Speaker 10: and not one senior government minister has appeared to answer
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Speaker 10: questions about their actions or inactions.
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Speaker 7: No questions have.
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Speaker 10: Been answered about whether or not resourcing was given sufficiently
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Speaker 10: to our caniterrorism and intelligence agencies by the government. No
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Speaker 10: questions have been asked about how often the National Security
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Speaker 10: Committee of Cabinet was meeting and whether it was considering
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Speaker 10: the right priorities. No questions have been asked about the
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Speaker 10: changes to the Home Affairs portfolio made by government ministers,
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Speaker 10: made by the Prime Minister to take Azo out of
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Speaker 10: the portfolio, to take the AFP out of the portfolio,
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Speaker 10: to put them back in again, and all the churn.
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Speaker 7: And dysfunction that that created.
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Speaker 10: And this raw commission will not have completed its task
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Speaker 10: until Anthony Alberanezi, Tony Burke, Pennywong and other key ministers
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Speaker 10: have been in the dock to be cross examined and
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Speaker 10: answered tough ques questions.
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Speaker 2: It seems like the Commission has also avoided calling as
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Speaker 2: witnesses people who are likely to criticize the response from
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Speaker 2: the Albanzi government to anti Semitism. But James, just on
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Speaker 2: this topic before we move on, there also seems to
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Speaker 2: be and look there might have been in the confidential sessions,
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Speaker 2: but at least in the public hearings, the discussion around
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Speaker 2: radical Islamic extremism seems to have been limited.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: This Royal Commission was called in response to Bondi and
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Speaker 2: when we worry about another attack, it's the terrorism that
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Speaker 2: we worry about, So shouldn't the role Commission be examining
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Speaker 2: radical Islamic extremism and how to deal with it.
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Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Shari.
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Speaker 10: And let's remember although it was the Jewish community that
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Speaker 10: was targeted on Bondai, radical Islamists hate all of Western
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Speaker 10: civilization and Australia's democracy, and it could be the Jewish
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Speaker 10: community again, or it could be other Australians in the future.
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Speaker 7: God forbid if there's another attack like this.
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Speaker 10: So we have to get to the heart problem, which
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Speaker 10: is Islamism and the extremism that it fosters and the
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Speaker 10: violence that it licenses. And as you say, based on
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Speaker 10: the public hearings, it's not clear to me that an
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Speaker 10: adequate examination of that has happened. And I fear that
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Speaker 10: history will judge this raw commission harshly for having done
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Speaker 10: a half job when a complete job was what was necessary.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to this typic a bit later with
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Speaker 2: Marty Perlstin. But James turning to the migration debate. Now
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Speaker 2: there's been a bit of a mess with one nation today.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is simply a mistake from David
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Speaker 2: Farley or do you think he knew what he was
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Speaker 2: doing when he did that interview with Spears yesterday morning.
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Speaker 10: David Farley has deliberately and repeatedly contradicted paul Enhanson a
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Speaker 10: number of times. He's done it on migration twice, He's
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Speaker 10: done it on flags, He's done it on a range
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Speaker 10: of issues. I think it's very clear he's chafing at
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Speaker 10: the constraints imposed on him by One Nation, and it
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Speaker 10: would not surprise me at all if by the next
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Speaker 10: election he has left one Nation and can test the
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Speaker 10: election is independent, all for some party. But he's not
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Speaker 10: the only one who's contradicted one nation's immigration policy. Pauline
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Speaker 10: Hanson has contradicted her own policy. In fact, she's articulated
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Speaker 10: three different versions of the policy that are completely inconsistent
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Speaker 10: with each other. And this is sadly typical when it
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Speaker 10: comes to One Nation. They talk a big game on
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Speaker 10: things like immigration, but they fall over when it comes
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Speaker 10: to the details, and I think it highlights why they're
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Speaker 10: not fit for government.
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Speaker 2: Just before coming in here, I saw there was a
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Speaker 2: story in the Herald website that mentioned that David Farley
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Speaker 2: had walked into a Liberal Party meeting and maybe made
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Speaker 2: a joke that he might end up there.
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Speaker 1: Were you in that meeting. Did you hear about this?
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Speaker 10: I wasn't in the meeting, but I did hear about this.
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Speaker 10: And look, we consider all applications for membership very carefully
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Speaker 10: on their merits, and if David White like to make
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Speaker 10: an application, we'll consider it. But it's very clear that
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Speaker 10: One Nation is not a happy place. It's a divided
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Speaker 10: place and over its history of all the MP's it's
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Speaker 10: elected to all national parliaments, seventy percent of them have
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Speaker 10: defected from One Nation or quit the parliament before the
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Speaker 10: end of their first it's a record of failure and
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Speaker 10: I think again it highlights why One Nation is a risk.
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Speaker 10: If you want real change in this country, only the
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Speaker 10: Coalition can deliver that. We've got a plan to protect
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Speaker 10: our way of life and to restore our standard living.
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Speaker 2: An interview like David Farley had with David Spears on
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Speaker 2: the ABC. Is this why Pauline Hatson refuses to go
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Speaker 2: on the ABC or have them at any of her
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Speaker 2: press conferences.
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Speaker 10: I think, frankly it's weak for One Nation leaders and
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Speaker 10: candidates not to front up to tough media interviews, to
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Speaker 10: always look for an easy media interview. Going on the
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Speaker 10: ABSC is not my favorite part of my job either,
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Speaker 10: and they asked me tough questions too. But we've paid
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Speaker 10: a lot of money to front up and to answer questions.
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Speaker 10: And excluding some media outlets and some journalists from it
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Speaker 10: and refusing to answer tough questions, I think, frankly shows
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Speaker 10: that there's a snowflake mentality among some people in one nation,
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Speaker 10: and I think they should harden up.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: Well, turning to a tough question in my own I mean,
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Speaker 2: at least one nation does have their immigration policy out there,
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Speaker 2: where is yours?
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Speaker 10: Well, we've already outlined three key elements of our migration policy.
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Speaker 10: The first is we'll match the net overseas migration to
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Speaker 10: housing completions to allow the housing market to catch up.
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Speaker 7: Number two, we've.
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Speaker 10: Said we'll link welfare to citizenships so that the government
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Speaker 10: stops funding foreign citizens, for example, to buy their first
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Speaker 10: time And thirdly, we've said we'll put Australian values at
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Speaker 10: the heart of our migration system to make sure people
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Speaker 10: coming to our country uphold our values. But I won't
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Speaker 10: dodge the heart of your question, Shari, which is that
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Speaker 10: we do have to put a number on.
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Speaker 7: That migration, and we will.
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Speaker 10: We're going through a thorough deliberative, careful process so that
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Speaker 10: we can stand up behind our number. Unlike one nation,
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Speaker 10: we won't be chopping and changing it. It'll be well
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Speaker 10: throught through, it'll be costed, it'll be budgeted, and it'll
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Speaker 10: be responsible.
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Speaker 7: It'll bring migration down.
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Speaker 2: Just before you go, I want to ask you about
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Speaker 2: the topic I spoke about at the start of the show,
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Speaker 2: that the Abernezi governor the Greens have done this deal
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Speaker 2: where they're generous capital gains tax concessions for foreign investors
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Speaker 2: but not for Australians.
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Speaker 1: Do you think this is fair?
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Speaker 10: You're right and Fortum is right. I think foreign investment
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Speaker 10: is welcome in Australia.
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Speaker 7: It's good for Australia.
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Speaker 10: But I don't think foreign investors should get a special
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Speaker 10: deal that Australians don't. And just because they're investing in
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Speaker 10: renewable energy doesn't make their investment any more special. A
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Speaker 10: young Australian saving to buy their first time saving to
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Speaker 10: buy a deposit will pay a minimum of thirty percent
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Speaker 10: capital gains tax on the growth in those shares, whereas
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Speaker 10: a foreign investor in renewables will only pay fifteen percent.
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Speaker 7: That is deeply inequitable. It is un Australian and it.
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Speaker 1: Should be fixed, all right, James Hatterson, thank you so much.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson, as we've just been discussing, is trying to
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Speaker 2: deal with the fallout of migration comments made by her
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Speaker 2: star and p David Farley, who won the seat of
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Speaker 2: Parah from the Liberals when Susan Lee resigned Now One
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Speaker 2: Nation has repeatedly they've often said they plan to cut
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Speaker 2: net overseas migration to one hundred and thirty thousand, but
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Speaker 2: Finley in this interview had another number in mind.
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Speaker 11: You're saying it needs to be one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 11: thousand non plus plus about one hundred thousand more.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, at a minimum, Okay.
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Speaker 11: Effectively, if you're talking about a number of two hundred
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Speaker 11: and twenty or thirty or forty thousand, is it that
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Speaker 11: different to the government's objective here. I know they're not
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Speaker 11: there yet, but they want to get it down to
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Speaker 11: two twenty five.
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Speaker 9: I think the big difference is we're focusing on what
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Speaker 9: are the skills we need as a nation, where do
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Speaker 9: we need these migrants to be?
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Speaker 11: But the raw number, the raw number is not too different.
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Speaker 9: Well, the raw number is not too different.
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Speaker 2: Well, migration is One Nation signature policy, so of course
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Speaker 2: this isn't a good look. Barnaby Dreyce then tried to
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Speaker 2: set their records straight this morning.
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Speaker 12: David is a good guy and he was trying to
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Speaker 12: get so much information out in an interview, and when
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Speaker 12: you try to get so much out, it can become
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Speaker 12: a little bit confusing, and that's just what happens, specially
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Speaker 12: when you're starting off in politics.
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Speaker 2: But it doesn't look like it was a mistake because
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Speaker 2: Farley made similar comments to Chris Kenny in his Fight
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Speaker 2: for the Right documentary, which as Tomorrow.
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Speaker 9: Night, One Nation is not anti immigration, One Nation is
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Speaker 9: about right immigration. We had immigration between the laws, and
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Speaker 9: after the Wars we got immigration right. We got people
20:05
Speaker 9: who a rodd in Australia with aspiration and.
20:07
Speaker 2: There's more of that now in the documentary. Pauline Hansen
20:10
Speaker 2: also talks about pretty plainly that she has no tolerance
20:14
Speaker 2: for radical Islam.
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Speaker 7: Are you intolerant of any specific group of people?
20:25
Speaker 13: I really am intolerant of radical Islam, I really am.
20:31
Speaker 13: I don't like what they stand for. I don't like
20:34
Speaker 13: suppression of women, I do not like child marriages, I
20:37
Speaker 13: don't like pedophilia. I don't like multiple marriages. I don't
20:41
Speaker 13: like women as second class citizens.
20:45
Speaker 2: And that documentary Fight of the Riot is on tomorrow
20:48
Speaker 2: night at seven o'clock.
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Speaker 1: Don't miss it.
20:50
Speaker 2: But clearly the political battleground is now firmly being fought
20:54
Speaker 2: on terrorism, radical.
20:55
Speaker 1: Islam and migration.
20:57
Speaker 2: I mean, this has been the driving support for one
20:59
Speaker 2: nation since the bond I attack, when their poll numbers
21:01
Speaker 2: started to see an uplift.
21:04
Speaker 1: So it's inexplicable that the Coalition.
21:06
Speaker 2: As I just asked James, is still refusing to release
21:09
Speaker 2: its own immigration policy.
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Speaker 7: Your listeners won't have to wait too long. I'm not
21:14
Speaker 7: going to put a date on it.
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Speaker 14: That's very much up to the Leader of the Opposition,
21:17
Speaker 14: Angus Taylor, as to when we announce it. But we've
21:20
Speaker 14: been putting in a power of work to make sure
21:23
Speaker 14: we get the numbers right because it is complex.
21:25
Speaker 7: It not going to be this year.
21:28
Speaker 2: And I've pressed John o'daniam on that point every week
21:31
Speaker 2: when he's on the show. Well let's bringing our news
21:34
Speaker 2: twenty four hosts Steve Price and former Speaker of the
21:36
Speaker 2: House Browyn Bishop Brown. Wonderful to have you back on
21:40
Speaker 2: the show. Great to see you than look starting with you,
21:43
Speaker 2: surely the Coalition needs to release its migration policy to
21:47
Speaker 2: be in the fight.
21:48
Speaker 1: This is where the battleground.
21:50
Speaker 15: Is, absolutely and I find all this talk about mister
21:53
Speaker 15: Farley rather interesting. How different is that from Senator Bragg
21:57
Speaker 15: who he's freelancing at the press club or the Minister
22:01
Speaker 15: of Burke who simply failed to show up at all.
22:05
Speaker 15: The bottom line is that one hundred and thirty thousand
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Speaker 15: has cut through and mister Farley doesn't make that policy.
22:12
Speaker 15: He's part of the policy that comes forward from their leadership.
22:16
Speaker 15: So the Coalition needs to come forward with its leadership.
22:20
Speaker 2: It does indeed, I mean, Steve, this is where the
22:24
Speaker 2: fight is politically. This is why people are turning to
22:27
Speaker 2: one nation. So they've just got to get their policy
22:30
Speaker 2: out there quickly. Haven't they learnt from you know, the
22:33
Speaker 2: Susan Lee's period of leadership when there were just a
22:36
Speaker 2: lack of policies.
22:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, even Peter Dutton.
22:42
Speaker 16: I mean, they've got to let people know exactly what
22:44
Speaker 16: they're going to be voting for. I mean, the election
22:46
Speaker 16: is still a long way away, but Farley seems to
22:49
Speaker 16: have gone rogue on the ABC at the weekend. I
22:52
Speaker 16: mean The Institute of Public Affairs issued some very interesting
22:55
Speaker 16: figures today showing that of all of the migrants that
22:58
Speaker 16: come to Australia, twenty seven percent of them for settle
23:02
Speaker 16: in Melbourne and the numbers of people it's over three
23:05
Speaker 16: hundred thousand in two years have settled into Melbourne, which
23:09
Speaker 16: is a city that has just choked with people and
23:11
Speaker 16: can't cope with that number. I guess you've got to
23:15
Speaker 16: remember Farley won Farah and he's probably talking to the
23:18
Speaker 16: constituents in Pharaoh who need migrant workers. That seems to
23:21
Speaker 16: where he tripped up, and then he got very complicated
23:24
Speaker 16: with the numbers. It's not a good look. And we've
23:27
Speaker 16: seen this movie before, Shari and Bromin with One Nation.
23:31
Speaker 16: They select candidates who then decide to go out and
23:35
Speaker 16: do their own thing and they ultimately walk away from
23:37
Speaker 16: the party, as James Patterson just told you. So maybe
23:41
Speaker 16: we're going down that track again.
23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps perhaps.
23:44
Speaker 2: All right, let's turn to this big announcement via Victorian
23:47
Speaker 2: Opposition leader Jess Wilson today. She announced a way to
23:50
Speaker 2: have tougher sentencing for youth criminals. Just sticking with you
23:54
Speaker 2: on this one, Steve from Moment because you're in Melbourne now.
23:57
Speaker 2: Jess Wilson once died a published online to let victorians
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Speaker 2: see where the judges are handing down week sentences.
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Speaker 1: Is there a good idea? Is there strong enough?
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Speaker 16: Well, it's a start, it's strong enough. Lauren Ord is
24:13
Speaker 16: going to be a massive issue come the state election,
24:16
Speaker 16: which is now not far away into November. People are
24:19
Speaker 16: sick and tired of weak decisions by magistrates and judges
24:23
Speaker 16: in higher courts. I mean we have people, you young offenders,
24:27
Speaker 16: particular those under the age of eighteen, who just commit
24:30
Speaker 16: offence after offense after fence and end up out on bail.
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Speaker 16: But I'm sure Bromili will agree with me that that's
24:37
Speaker 16: what happens when you've had ten years of a bad
24:39
Speaker 16: labor government, first under Dan Andrews and then under Jacinta Allen.
24:42
Speaker 16: And what happens is they're the government that appoints the
24:46
Speaker 16: magistrates and the judges. They stack the benches with like
24:49
Speaker 16: minded thinkers, and that's where we've ended up here. You've
24:52
Speaker 16: got people who are on the bench who say I
24:55
Speaker 16: don't want to put a teenage child in jail, even
24:58
Speaker 16: if that teenager has climbed for the window of a
25:01
Speaker 16: ninety year old woman's house in the middle of the night,
25:03
Speaker 16: arm with the machette. So people are sick and tired
25:05
Speaker 16: of it, and Jess Wilson's doing a good job and
25:07
Speaker 16: this policy is something we need.
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Speaker 2: Roman Would mandatory minimum sentences be a better option?
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Speaker 15: There is a place in my view for mandatory sentences,
25:18
Speaker 15: but I think in dealing with this question of youth crime,
25:22
Speaker 15: I think what Jess Wilson is suggesting is a good
25:25
Speaker 15: way forward. And I certainly do agree with Steve in
25:28
Speaker 15: saying that when you are in government for that length
25:31
Speaker 15: of time, they're appointing people who reflect the sort of
25:34
Speaker 15: views they have. Victoria needs a big shake up.
25:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it absolutely does.
25:40
Speaker 2: Mean you'd say, I obviously have to be careful with
25:43
Speaker 2: my wording, but you'd say that across the board, the
25:47
Speaker 2: justice system in Victoria is the weakest.
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Speaker 15: Yes, indeed, you would, whether it's what we saw in
25:54
Speaker 15: the cardinal pell case or whether it's in youth sentencing,
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Speaker 15: the crime route in Victoria is just appalling. People are
26:03
Speaker 15: generally scared.
26:06
Speaker 2: Indeed, I mean, have you seen, Steve, we haven't been
26:09
Speaker 2: speaking about the crime wave much.
26:10
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a period where there was just.
26:13
Speaker 2: So many break in, so many violent crimes happening on
26:16
Speaker 2: the streets. Has that calmed down a bit or has
26:18
Speaker 2: it now just become the norm that it's in the
26:19
Speaker 2: media less.
26:23
Speaker 7: Hasn't calmed down at all.
26:25
Speaker 16: It is in the media less. I mean, you know,
26:28
Speaker 16: we have night after night people stealing cars, driving down
26:31
Speaker 16: the wrong side of the road on freeways at one
26:33
Speaker 16: hundred and fifty kilometers an hour, having head on crashes.
26:36
Speaker 16: There was a person killed in such an accident the
26:38
Speaker 16: last twenty four hours. Look, the media does get a
26:41
Speaker 16: little bit sick of reporting it, but we shouldn't and
26:45
Speaker 16: we should keep pressing this right up until the election,
26:47
Speaker 16: because the place is busted. It is a horrible place
26:51
Speaker 16: when it comes to law and order and crime. And
26:53
Speaker 16: there are people every night who go to bed in
26:56
Speaker 16: Melbourne frightened when they hear a noise outside that someone's
26:58
Speaker 16: going to invade their house.
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Speaker 1: That's a terrible situation.
27:02
Speaker 2: Look, just quickly, the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi is standing
27:05
Speaker 2: by the controversial GST deal which favors Western Australia.
27:10
Speaker 17: There will be no change to WAHGST arrangements. Whilst I'm
27:15
Speaker 17: Prime Minister, always back wa I am ncinc with the
27:20
Speaker 17: Premier look.
27:20
Speaker 2: I think every Western Australian is both relieved and pleased
27:24
Speaker 2: to hear the words from the Prime Minister today, I
27:27
Speaker 2: mean brow when the other states won't be impressed with
27:29
Speaker 2: this look.
27:30
Speaker 15: There are two points to make. One you can't believe
27:33
Speaker 15: already says anyway. And secondly, there is a problem in
27:37
Speaker 15: the way the GSC is divvied up the Queen.
27:41
Speaker 6: The way is divvied up is that there.
27:44
Speaker 15: Is an assumption made about the ability of a state
27:47
Speaker 15: to raise revenue. Now, when a state like Victoria, for instance,
27:51
Speaker 15: fails to use its resources to raise revenue, they actually
27:55
Speaker 15: de facto get a sort of compensation from a state
27:59
Speaker 15: like Western Australia which does do it. So it's unfair
28:02
Speaker 15: the way it's worked, and so I can see why
28:05
Speaker 15: Western Australia gets upset. I can see why New South
28:08
Speaker 15: Wales and Victoria get upset. Victoria deserves its punishment, New
28:13
Speaker 15: South Wales less so.
28:15
Speaker 2: And Steve the Productivity Commission is also describing this as
28:18
Speaker 2: a costly mistake.
28:24
Speaker 16: Well, it was a mistake made by Scott Morrison. But
28:26
Speaker 16: look what Scott Morrison did with it. He won that
28:28
Speaker 16: election that he called a miracle and he won it
28:30
Speaker 16: because he won so many seats in Western Australia. And
28:33
Speaker 16: that's what Albanieze he's got his eye on. He knows
28:36
Speaker 16: that if he keeps going to West Australia, and he
28:38
Speaker 16: bragged today's Charry about how he'd been there thirty five times,
28:41
Speaker 16: why do you think he's gone there thirty five times?
28:43
Speaker 16: Because he wants to hang onto those seats that Labour
28:46
Speaker 16: now holds in Western Australia, and he knows that he
28:48
Speaker 16: utters one word about taking one dollar of GST off them,
28:52
Speaker 16: then some of those seats are going to be gone
28:54
Speaker 16: to Labor. So he's got his eye on the election result.
28:56
Speaker 16: There's nothing about fairness.
28:58
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the Secret Harbor by election, isn't it.
29:02
Speaker 2: So I mean that's what this is about. And everyone
29:05
Speaker 2: is saying that that this Labor seat is going to
29:08
Speaker 2: go to one nation. So that's why Albanize has done
29:10
Speaker 2: this today. And you're right, bro, when he might change
29:13
Speaker 2: his mind after the by elections, changed his position, change
29:16
Speaker 2: my cosition exactly, and he'll just say it's a change
29:19
Speaker 2: of policy.
29:20
Speaker 1: It's not a broken promise and it's not a lie.
29:22
Speaker 1: Of course, it's not a lie brom and Bishop Steve Price.
29:24
Speaker 2: Great to see you both, well, still to come. Headley
29:28
Speaker 2: Thomas joins us to discuss his new podcast on the
29:31
Speaker 2: poisoning of a young mother, and Ray Hadley will give
29:35
Speaker 2: his view.
29:35
Speaker 1: On the Swan's conduct.
29:36
Speaker 2: He'll be right here after the break. In the wake
29:43
Speaker 2: of a string of alleged teenage sexual assault cases in
29:46
Speaker 2: New South Wales, the Men's government has called for an
29:49
Speaker 2: urgent roundtable.
29:51
Speaker 16: Look.
29:52
Speaker 18: I think everyone across New South Wales has been really
29:56
Speaker 18: shocked and horrified with the incidences that we've seen over
30:00
Speaker 18: the past couple of weeks, absolutely unacceptable treatment of women.
30:06
Speaker 18: The government believes that it has a role to act
30:09
Speaker 18: and to lead when it comes to this crisis in
30:13
Speaker 18: our community.
30:15
Speaker 2: And Ray Hardley joins me now on the desk because
30:17
Speaker 2: he does every Monday.
30:18
Speaker 19: Great to see you, thanks, Chrry. I think the Deputy
30:20
Speaker 19: Premier prow Car is right. We're in crisis and I
30:25
Speaker 19: don't know that we can blame the schools. The two
30:28
Speaker 19: schools involved in no fault of theirs. The students that
30:32
Speaker 19: attend their Saint Gregory's and Scott's, by all accounts outstanding.
30:35
Speaker 1: Schools and of course these are still allegation.
30:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're allegations.
30:39
Speaker 19: But what worries me most in one case is the
30:42
Speaker 19: age of the alleged defenders thirteen fourteen year olds. The
30:47
Speaker 19: offenders allegedly from southwestern Sydney are a bit older. But
30:52
Speaker 19: I just I don't know what the answer will be
30:54
Speaker 19: the round table conference.
30:55
Speaker 6: Of course, they've got to do something in their government, because.
30:57
Speaker 19: It's horrible to think that young women are allegedly being
31:01
Speaker 19: attacked in the fashion that has been reported over the
31:04
Speaker 19: past few weeks. And you shake your head in utter
31:07
Speaker 19: disbelief at the ages of the alleged defenders as well,
31:11
Speaker 19: and there's.
31:12
Speaker 6: Something going wrong. And I don't know.
31:15
Speaker 19: We can blame social media, or we can blame the
31:17
Speaker 19: schools or the parents, but I do know that you know,
31:21
Speaker 19: I'm an old bloke, but spare the rod, spoiled the child.
31:26
Speaker 19: I think disciplines gone out the window. I think we
31:30
Speaker 19: live in awake society. If a teacher raises their voice
31:32
Speaker 19: to a child, everyone goes into a state of conniption.
31:36
Speaker 19: I'm not talking about violence or corporal punishment. I'm talking
31:38
Speaker 19: about actually discipline and telling people they have to behave
31:42
Speaker 19: in a.
31:42
Speaker 2: Certain way, so at the home as well as at
31:43
Speaker 2: the school. Well here of you know, gentle parenting, and
31:47
Speaker 2: if someone does something wrong, you understand why they did.
31:51
Speaker 19: It didn't happen in my household, I can tell you.
31:54
Speaker 19: But I'm sure it does happen more recently. But you know,
31:59
Speaker 19: I just don't know what the round table is going
32:02
Speaker 19: to toss up. I congratulate prou and Chris means and
32:05
Speaker 19: I just have.
32:06
Speaker 1: Like consent lessons in the score curriculum.
32:08
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but it's going there be I mean at
32:10
Speaker 6: the end of the day.
32:11
Speaker 19: I guess what needs to happen when this process is
32:14
Speaker 19: all over, and if people are convicted, someone needs to
32:16
Speaker 19: sit down and talk to those people about what led
32:19
Speaker 19: them to this particular part of their life, because in
32:22
Speaker 19: many respects it could ruin the life of very young people,
32:24
Speaker 19: both male and female.
32:26
Speaker 2: Exactly, especially because a lot of the names are all
32:29
Speaker 2: over social media. You know, even if they're found to
32:32
Speaker 2: be innocent, it's already all over social media.
32:35
Speaker 6: Guessing as well, which is most uncomfortable.
32:37
Speaker 1: I spoke at the Swan's a bit earlier.
32:39
Speaker 19: Now I heard your comment, you, well, what do you think, Well,
32:43
Speaker 19: no one's been charged, that's the first thing I'd say.
32:46
Speaker 19: But as someone who spent almost four decades calling sport,
32:51
Speaker 19: I've never understood mad Mondays. Mad Mondays is a period
32:55
Speaker 19: after the seasons over where people do ridiculous things football teams.
33:00
Speaker 19: It's not just prominent football teams, nearly every football team.
33:02
Speaker 1: They go out partying.
33:03
Speaker 19: Yeah, and partying is one word and atrocities is another.
33:07
Speaker 6: But I can't understand for the life of me.
33:10
Speaker 19: The Swans were about to confront their most important month
33:13
Speaker 19: of the season and they had an important win in Melbourne.
33:19
Speaker 6: The police will deal with.
33:20
Speaker 19: The allegations made against these five young men, But I mean,
33:27
Speaker 19: what sanity is prevailing that you go out at LAPAs
33:31
Speaker 19: two or three o'clock in the morning on the drink,
33:33
Speaker 19: let alone what allegedly happened after that. I mean, and
33:36
Speaker 19: there is a cultural problem. If the coach said you
33:39
Speaker 19: go out and have a good time, and the coach
33:41
Speaker 19: gets home at midnight and people are still coming into
33:43
Speaker 19: the hotel at our pass three four o'clock in the morning,
33:46
Speaker 19: I just.
33:49
Speaker 2: And then they're hiring women when they're meant to be
33:51
Speaker 2: squeaky clean family men.
33:53
Speaker 19: And they're not kids. These are adult men. These are
33:57
Speaker 19: adult men who thought it would be a good idea
34:00
Speaker 19: get some lap dancers into the hotel. I mean, you know,
34:03
Speaker 19: regardless of what may or may not have happened after
34:05
Speaker 19: the lap dancers who thought it would be a good
34:07
Speaker 19: idea at our pass three.
34:08
Speaker 6: In the morning. Oh, I know, let's get some lap
34:10
Speaker 6: dancers here. I mean, that's just insanity.
34:13
Speaker 2: But Ray, like I said, and I agree, that is
34:16
Speaker 2: awful behavior, but it's not criminal behavior. So at the moment,
34:22
Speaker 2: certainly nothing yet stupid. But at the moment, you know,
34:25
Speaker 2: the way they're being treated, I mean, well, look, nothing
34:32
Speaker 2: has been proven yet.
34:33
Speaker 19: I know from my own experience, the higher profile, the
34:36
Speaker 19: more strife you're in. Okay, these aren't five blakes who
34:40
Speaker 19: are playing for a Z grade team, you know, in
34:43
Speaker 19: these are the top five players from one of the
34:45
Speaker 19: leading clubs that's second placed on the ladder.
34:49
Speaker 6: So I can understand the attention being given to them. However,
34:52
Speaker 6: given that no one's been charged.
34:55
Speaker 19: At this particular stage, I think that we just make
34:58
Speaker 19: justice take its path.
34:59
Speaker 6: Let it take its path.
35:01
Speaker 2: Just pick up on something you said before. You just
35:03
Speaker 2: said a moment ago that there were you know, you.
35:06
Speaker 1: Let police investigate the allegations against five players.
35:09
Speaker 2: We actually don't know how many players the allegations were against.
35:11
Speaker 1: It might have just been.
35:12
Speaker 7: One or two.
35:13
Speaker 19: Well, yes, yes, okay, well they are all being identified
35:18
Speaker 19: for their behavior in relation to not what happened in
35:21
Speaker 19: the room.
35:21
Speaker 6: Moving into that.
35:23
Speaker 19: Ye correct, Your points well made that maybe there's one
35:26
Speaker 19: person who's of interest of the police, not five.
35:28
Speaker 6: Ye well said.
35:30
Speaker 2: So this shocking milestone Australia reached last week, Ray the
35:35
Speaker 2: one trillion dollars of debt, and.
35:38
Speaker 1: The wealth of our nation is collapsing.
35:40
Speaker 19: Well, just when your eyes were watering at the fact
35:43
Speaker 19: that we've reached one trillion, now to try and get
35:46
Speaker 19: your head around a trillion, that's a thousand billion, it's
35:51
Speaker 19: a billion times one thousand.
35:53
Speaker 6: So shortly after that, great work, great work, doctor Chalmers,
36:00
Speaker 6: keep going.
36:00
Speaker 19: It can get the one point five trillion in six months.
36:03
Speaker 19: But just after that comes the So that's debt. That's
36:07
Speaker 19: what we oie okaind of works out about thirty six
36:10
Speaker 19: thousand for each one of us, you know, woman, man
36:14
Speaker 19: and child. But then the story is published in the
36:16
Speaker 19: Sunday Telegraph. Not only we won trillion dollars in debt,
36:20
Speaker 19: we have wiped one point three trillion a little bit
36:25
Speaker 19: more off our wealth, and that is brought about by
36:30
Speaker 19: real estate. Now we hold real estate, residential real estate.
36:34
Speaker 19: I think the figure is twelve point seven trillion nationally,
36:37
Speaker 19: So we've wiped one point three trillion. And the company
36:41
Speaker 19: that did the research based on the figures provided by
36:43
Speaker 19: the am Z Bank of ten point six percent drop
36:46
Speaker 19: in housing prices next two years said that will equate
36:49
Speaker 19: to one point three trillion off our wealth let alone,
36:52
Speaker 19: owing a trillion dollars as well. So alban Easy and
36:57
Speaker 19: doctor Chalmers have managed through the legislat And yes, interest
37:01
Speaker 19: rates were going up and causing that to a certain extent,
37:04
Speaker 19: but who created the interest rates?
37:05
Speaker 6: Economic policy by the federal government. So then you need
37:09
Speaker 6: to deal with inflation, not dealing with it. So then
37:12
Speaker 6: they then come up with this brainstorm and the budget.
37:14
Speaker 6: Oh let's fix it all.
37:16
Speaker 19: With capital gains, tax changes and negative gearing changes. All
37:20
Speaker 19: that's done, according to the real estate industry is make
37:22
Speaker 19: it much worse.
37:23
Speaker 6: And yet he's still he still will not.
37:28
Speaker 19: If Charmers or Albanesi consider the fact that they're responsible
37:32
Speaker 19: for this insanity.
37:33
Speaker 1: You know, it's such a mess.
37:34
Speaker 19: I did think that Brommin came up with a very
37:36
Speaker 19: funny line about at a side.
37:38
Speaker 6: I could hear Steve laughing in the background.
37:39
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, if he's telling the true. If he doesn't
37:42
Speaker 1: change his mind.
37:42
Speaker 6: Exactly and he doesn't tell the truth, yeah.
37:44
Speaker 2: Ray Hardley, love having you on as always, Thank you,
37:47
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot still to karma. Decades long cold case
37:51
Speaker 2: relating to the poisoning of a mother blown wine open
37:54
Speaker 2: by Hadley Thomas and he'll be here soon plas calls
37:57
Speaker 2: growing to extend the Royal Commission Marti after the break
38:05
Speaker 2: Well Labor Premier Chris Mins has once again gone against
38:08
Speaker 2: the Albanzi government with these comments today.
38:12
Speaker 8: Now, if we need to go a couple of weeks longer,
38:15
Speaker 8: given that most of the expense was spent setting it up,
38:21
Speaker 8: that would said to be money well spent. Because both
38:23
Speaker 8: the federal and and the state government are relying on
38:26
Speaker 8: these recommendations to shape.
38:28
Speaker 3: Some of that policy.
38:30
Speaker 2: Former Judge Ronald Sackville told me last week that a
38:33
Speaker 2: year was too short and if he were the commissioner,
38:35
Speaker 2: he would have asked for an extension by now. If
38:39
Speaker 2: it were you doing it, you would seek an extension
38:42
Speaker 2: more than eleven months.
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Speaker 7: If it were maybe doing it.
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Speaker 10: All sorts of things might have happened, but if I
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Speaker 10: were forward an application and extension, it would have been
38:52
Speaker 10: much earlier than right now.
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Speaker 2: But Albanezi is refusing. There is a petition calling for
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Speaker 2: more hearings. The gathering momentum already almost three thousand signatures.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure more after tonight's program and the woman who
39:06
Speaker 2: started it, Jewish advocate Marnie Perlstin, joins me, now many
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time.
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Speaker 1: What made you start this, Shari?
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Speaker 20: I have quite a large online community, and I was
39:18
Speaker 20: noticing that there was a lot of discussion on social
39:22
Speaker 20: media about what was happening with the Commission, And after
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Speaker 20: Julian Lisa called for an extension in Parliament last week,
39:28
Speaker 20: the conversation got more and more heated, and there were
39:32
Speaker 20: just so many people that seemed to be dissatisfied with
39:35
Speaker 20: where the Commission was at. And I ran two small
39:38
Speaker 20: polls on my Instagram pages over two different days. The
39:42
Speaker 20: first one.
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Speaker 1: Both of them asked if the.
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Speaker 20: Audience felt that there should be an extension, and on
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Speaker 20: the first day, ninety eight percent said yes, and on
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Speaker 20: the second day ninety seven percent said yes.
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Speaker 1: So I thought, well, it's pretty overwhelmed.
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Speaker 20: It's overwhelming, and I thought, you know, commission is a
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Speaker 20: great petition, is a great way for the public to
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Speaker 20: have a say and to feel that they're doing something.
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Speaker 20: So I just felt that there was a need for it.
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Speaker 2: Now, your petition back in December to have a Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission that had something like ninety seven thousand signatures.
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Speaker 1: To it, which is incredible.
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Speaker 2: What are you most disappointed about with this current Royal Commission.
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Speaker 20: I think that eleven months was always going to be
40:25
Speaker 20: a short time frame and a stretch in terms of
40:28
Speaker 20: uncovering the real drivers of anti Semitism, which is what
40:31
Speaker 20: it promised us that it would do. And I think
40:35
Speaker 20: where I feel there could have been well, where more
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Speaker 20: time was needed was to call people that haven't been
40:42
Speaker 20: called yet, the politicians who failed in their leadership roles
40:45
Speaker 20: and who I think are responsible in many ways for
40:48
Speaker 20: what's happened in this country. Our leaders haven't been called
40:52
Speaker 20: to the Commission, and the people that I think are
40:55
Speaker 20: responsible for spreading the majority of the hate or spreading
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Speaker 20: hate in a way that where they should be held
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Speaker 20: account accountable for that or at least questioned about it
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Speaker 20: and asked to you know, where their ideas come from
41:08
Speaker 20: and have their ideas pushed back. So the hate preachers,
41:11
Speaker 20: you know shake Ibrahim Dedoon, who was on the streets
41:14
Speaker 20: of Sydney the day after October seven. Just so many
41:19
Speaker 20: of the people that are responsible for spreading the hate.
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Speaker 6: There's a list.
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Speaker 20: I've put a list on my social media.
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Speaker 2: It's a very you know, softly, softly approach that the
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Speaker 2: Commission seems to be taking. You know, it's not one
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Speaker 2: of those royal commissions that's out there naming and shaming
41:33
Speaker 2: people and really getting to the bottom of issues. Just
41:36
Speaker 2: before we move on to another topics, if people do
41:38
Speaker 2: want to join and sign your petition, where do they
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Speaker 2: find it?
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Speaker 20: So they can either follow me on Instagram at Marnie
41:43
Speaker 20: Pearlstein and go into my bio. There's a link in
41:46
Speaker 20: the bio. Or they can go to change dot org
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Speaker 20: and sign up.
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Speaker 1: There and find it on change dot org. Yeah, unchanged
41:52
Speaker 1: dot org. Yeah all right, I'm just keen to ask
41:55
Speaker 1: you about something else.
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Speaker 2: Author Richard Flanagan, you know, one of Australia's best known writers.
41:59
Speaker 2: He held a book event at the Festival of Dangerous
42:02
Speaker 2: Ideas yesterday. Now I spoke to someone who was there,
42:06
Speaker 2: he almost entirely focused on Israel and Gaza. Then there
42:09
Speaker 2: was this slide that was put up, but we can
42:11
Speaker 2: show it there. I mean, you won't be able to
42:12
Speaker 2: read that, but I can tell you what it said.
42:15
Speaker 2: It says to what extent the Israel Lobby itself contributed
42:19
Speaker 2: to anti Semitism in Australia. They're saying, that's a question
42:22
Speaker 2: that needs to be asked, and anger around the genocide grew.
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Speaker 2: Could it have been the Lobby's own acts fueling anti Semitism?
42:30
Speaker 2: For the Israel Lobby has to answer to all Jews
42:32
Speaker 2: for such acts of grotesque injustice. I mean, what do
42:36
Speaker 2: you think about this attempt to blame you know, the
42:39
Speaker 2: so called Israel Lobby, which is a Jewish organization for
42:42
Speaker 2: anti Semitism.
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Speaker 20: I think the whole event is ironic. It was billed
42:47
Speaker 20: as an event where Richard Flanagan would be discussing his
42:50
Speaker 20: book Heresies, and the book is about freethought and truth telling,
42:54
Speaker 20: and so much of what was discussed in that session
42:58
Speaker 20: was actually not the truth and not factual. I think
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Speaker 20: it's disgusting that he did that. But you know, if
43:06
Speaker 20: you look at all of those slides I have read
43:08
Speaker 20: those slides. There are a lot of mistruths in those slides.
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Speaker 20: And that's the irony that he's written a book which
43:14
Speaker 20: is supposed to talk about truth and being brave enough
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Speaker 20: to speak the truth, and he's not speaking the truth
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Speaker 20: at all.
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Speaker 1: At least he probably believes it is.
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Speaker 2: But according to the fact that we establish, you know,
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Speaker 2: there hasn't been a genocide that is unproven, etc.
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Speaker 20: That's right, and I'm sure he believes that this is
43:30
Speaker 20: that it was a session about free speech, and I'm
43:33
Speaker 20: all for free speech. Free speech is fine, but when
43:36
Speaker 20: it spreads into speech that creates hate, and I'm sure
43:39
Speaker 20: he did not intentionally do that in the session, but
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Speaker 20: that's effectively what it does.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the impact is worrying. Minie.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here, and well done
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Speaker 2: again on your petition. Thanks for the support, Charry, thank
43:51
Speaker 2: you all. Right, after the break, we'll talk to Headley
43:54
Speaker 2: Thomas about his new podcast, uncovering fresh detail on an
43:58
Speaker 2: unsolved mystery that has left investigators scratching for forty years.
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Speaker 1: That's next.
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Speaker 2: Well, forty years ago, a young mother, Roslin McQueen, died
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Speaker 2: an agonizing death from strychnine poisoning and she was also pregnant.
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Speaker 2: She was found slumped in a chair in her home
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Speaker 2: in regional Victoria, leaving behind a toddler. Headley Thomas, a
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Speaker 2: legendary investigative journalist, has been investigating this case in his
44:29
Speaker 2: new podcast, The Poisoned Wife.
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Speaker 1: And if anyone can get to the bottom of this,
44:34
Speaker 1: it is Headley.
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Speaker 2: And I'm pleased to say Jones me now, great to
44:37
Speaker 2: see you Headley. Now what made you dive into this
44:41
Speaker 2: fascinating case?
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Speaker 21: Thank you, Shari, It's great to see you too in
44:45
Speaker 21: your news studio. This case really found me about four
44:49
Speaker 21: years ago, and it was just after the conviction of
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Speaker 21: Chris Dawson for the murder of his wife Lynn. I
44:56
Speaker 21: was at home and I got a text message from
44:58
Speaker 21: my colleague, Sarah Elks.
45:00
Speaker 22: He explained that a suitcase filled with what we later
45:04
Speaker 22: discovered were documents, papers, workings from an old investigation had
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Speaker 22: turned up at my office and it had been sent
45:13
Speaker 22: by a retired private investigator.
45:16
Speaker 21: His name was Rex Bakes, and Rex had once worked
45:20
Speaker 21: for Ross's husband, who became the number one murder suspect.
45:26
Speaker 21: He always denied wrongdoing, but Rex, having worked as a
45:30
Speaker 21: PI for the alleged killer after he was charged over
45:35
Speaker 21: his wife's murder. Decided at some point that he had
45:39
Speaker 21: been working for the wrong side, and he began toiling
45:43
Speaker 21: himself on his own dime, in his own time, to
45:46
Speaker 21: try and get to the bottom of this case. And
45:48
Speaker 21: as the years rolled by, he I think, started to
45:53
Speaker 21: see his own mortality more clearly, and he wanted to
45:57
Speaker 21: pass the workings along and the hope that some beast
46:01
Speaker 21: set of eyes me might be able to make a
46:03
Speaker 21: difference with this case. And when I started going through
46:05
Speaker 21: the material, you know, I became riveted by it. It
46:09
Speaker 21: just took me another three and a half years to
46:12
Speaker 21: clear the commitments that I had with other cases.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a fascinating story, extraordinary that someone working
46:19
Speaker 2: for the defense team came forward to you, Hadley. But
46:22
Speaker 2: so you found out that there were problems in the
46:24
Speaker 2: marriage with Roslin and her husband, and in fact, there
46:28
Speaker 2: was some sort of infatuation with the young babysitter.
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that?
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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's right, Sharion. It's one of the really troubling
46:36
Speaker 21: features of this case. A vulnerable teenage girl. Her name
46:42
Speaker 21: is Donna. She was sixteen at the time, and she
46:46
Speaker 21: had become a good friend of the McQueen family. Donna's
46:51
Speaker 21: father he drove buses for the local Kangaroo Flat Bus
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Speaker 21: Lines company and that's where he met Ray McQueen, Ross's husband,
47:01
Speaker 21: because having been a farmer, he left the land and
47:05
Speaker 21: then came a bus driver for a while for going
47:09
Speaker 21: on to sell insurance, and through that connection, young Donna,
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Speaker 21: who was only fourteen years old, became someone who was
47:18
Speaker 21: regularly in the McQueen household, helping look after ros and
47:22
Speaker 21: Ray's young baby, and then becoming closer to both Roz
47:28
Speaker 21: and Ray. But at some point, and we believe from
47:33
Speaker 21: about the age of fourteen, Ray McQueen started realizing that
47:38
Speaker 21: he had a connection with Donna that his wife Rose
47:45
Speaker 21: could neither understand nor control, and he spent increasing amounts
47:51
Speaker 21: of time with her, and he did to the point
47:54
Speaker 21: where Roz was confiding to her closest friends, to the mother,
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Speaker 21: to her mother in law, and of course to her
48:02
Speaker 21: husband that she believed he was completely obsessed with this
48:08
Speaker 21: girl and she thought that she and her husband would
48:11
Speaker 21: split up. Unfortunately, Roz died the day after Donna confided
48:21
Speaker 21: to Ray that was had this.
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Speaker 2: Fear, and in fact, the babysitter also wrote in her diary,
48:29
Speaker 2: and you've obtained some of those diary entries as well,
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Speaker 2: which is fascinating.
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Speaker 6: Hadley.
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask why did the prosecution abandon the
48:37
Speaker 2: trial because initially there was a finding by a coroner
48:41
Speaker 2: that the husband was responsible for the poisoning.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's a really important part of this case, Shari,
48:49
Speaker 21: and one will unpack in more detail in later episodes,
48:52
Speaker 21: but essentially, the coroner in nineteen eighty seven, one year
48:58
Speaker 21: after this terrible death occurred, currently concluded that Ray McQueen
49:05
Speaker 21: had murdered his wife, and he actually charged him over
49:08
Speaker 21: the murder. Now, Ray has always denied wrongdoing. The case
49:13
Speaker 21: was set down for a trial and the Supreme Court
49:15
Speaker 21: in Victoria in Bendigo, and in the leader to the trial,
49:21
Speaker 21: the defense lawyers began to apply for the exclusion of
49:27
Speaker 21: some of the Crown's evidence and that's fairly stand of practice.
49:31
Speaker 21: They want to have the narrowest case possible to give
49:34
Speaker 21: their client the best possible prospect, particularly when he has
49:37
Speaker 21: a consumption of innocence. The effect of some rulings by
49:41
Speaker 21: Justice Cobbo in that matter, in those pre trial legal arguments.
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Speaker 2: Hadley, we are running out of time I think I
49:50
Speaker 2: might have to get you back on the show another
49:52
Speaker 2: night to go through this in a bit more detail
49:54
Speaker 2: because I'm going to run into Paul Murray's hour, but
49:57
Speaker 2: all the best on your podcast can't wait to listen
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Speaker 2: to it.
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Speaker 1: We'll get you back on another time. I'll see I'll
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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night at eight. And here's Paul
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