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The Late Debate | 30 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Lucy Zilich and Joe Hildebrand. Joe, how did you
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  Speaker 2: get in tonight, given the cars.
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  Speaker 1: I walked in using my sneakers. Oh, no, Joe! Look,
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  Speaker 1: I know this always causes a lot of controversy. My
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  Speaker 1: proper TV boots are in the car and at my mechanics.
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  Speaker 2: He's got an excuse. That's what we're hearing.
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  Speaker 1: And also... If we're going to spill the tea before
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  Speaker 1: we get underway, Lucy forgot her clipboard and I had
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  Speaker 1: to run back to the control room to get it
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  Speaker 1: and I never would have made it if I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: been wearing my runners.
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  Speaker 3: The whole assumption from my part was that you had
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  Speaker 3: to hide your feet because you would potentially get in
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  Speaker 3: trouble and now here you are showing them in.
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  Speaker 2: All of their glory.
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  Speaker 1: That was the original plan before Caleb outed me like
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  Speaker 1: Rebel Wilson. LAUGHTER So, yes, I was trying to be
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  Speaker 1: discreet about it. And then, next thing you know, my
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  Speaker 1: business is all over the television.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know you were trying to be discreet,
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  Speaker 2: but you see that there are cameras over there? And, yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we could see it. There we are.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Schools are dropping house names with colonial links and instead
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  Speaker 2: replacing them with Indigenous names. And so tonight I can
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  Speaker 2: exclusively reveal that racism is solved. And shortly, if you're
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  Speaker 2: sitting behind the wheel of a driverless car, so you're
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  Speaker 2: not actually driving it, Should you have to be under
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  Speaker 2: the legal limit? Well, one US state was on the
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  Speaker 2: verge of making that law, but now it's been vetoed.
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  Speaker 2: And Jim versus Jim, the founder of Jim's Mowing, is
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  Speaker 2: taking on the Treasurer, who he says is incompetent. That
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  Speaker 2: is on the front of the advertiser tomorrow. But first,
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  Speaker 2: can you believe it? Melbourne City Council has decided that
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  Speaker 2: Australia Day is on the 26th of January. Extraordinary, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It was just a few years ago that, in the
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  Speaker 2: midst of COVID... They got rid of the traditional Australia
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  Speaker 2: Day parade that they used to have in Melbourne. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: that was because, you know, COVID and we couldn't stage
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  Speaker 2: it because it'd be all these people coming out, etc.
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  Speaker 2: It never came back. They also passed a motion a
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  Speaker 2: few years ago to say, look, we don't want Australia
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  Speaker 2: Day on January 26, as though a council could ever
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  Speaker 2: actually fix that problem. And they seem to have now
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  Speaker 2: recognised that. that they can't fix that problem because last
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  Speaker 2: night they have passed this motion. They say that they
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  Speaker 2: adopt the position that the City of Melbourne recognises 26
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  Speaker 2: January as Australia's National Day, consistent with its recognition by
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Government and all state and territory governments, and
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  Speaker 2: acknowledges that any decision to change the date is a
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  Speaker 2: matter for the Australian government and outside the jurisdiction of
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  Speaker 2: local government. Yippee! And they've also voted to investigate what
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  Speaker 2: they would need to do in order to bring back
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  Speaker 2: that Australia Day parade. He was the Deputy Lord Mayor
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  Speaker 2: of the Melbourne City Council, Rashina Campbell, last night.
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  Speaker 4: And for my part, I am incredibly disappointed that we
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  Speaker 4: no longer have the Australia Day Parade. That used to
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  Speaker 4: bring in, along with other activities like the State Government's fireworks,
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  Speaker 4: over 70,000 people to this municipality to attend Australia Day celebrations.
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  Speaker 4: Since the State Government cancelled the Australia Day Parade and
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  Speaker 4: the fireworks, we've seen a reduction of attendees at Australia
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  Speaker 4: Day celebrations from over 70,000 to a mere 8,000. That's
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  Speaker 4: 60-odd thousand people who want to celebrate Australia Day and
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  Speaker 4: no longer can do it in the City of Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Reality bites eventually, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I want to take you back, right, to
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  Speaker 3: that moment in 2022 where this whole decision came about,
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  Speaker 3: which was why they brought the motion forward to can
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  Speaker 3: the celebrations. So they conducted a survey of 1,600 locals
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  Speaker 3: in the City of Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: That was their first mistake.
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  Speaker 5: So 1,600 only, right?
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  Speaker 3: And the census data at that time put, I think,
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  Speaker 3: the population roughly at around 149,000.
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  Speaker 5: So in that survey, which.
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  Speaker 3: Had been conducted with 1,600 people, 60% had come back
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  Speaker 3: and said that they supported changing the date.
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  Speaker 5: So if you run the numbers, we're talking.
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  Speaker 3: Literally about 900 people 960 people out of 149,000 odd.
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  Speaker 5: Who said they supported changing the date.
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  Speaker 3: That, in all of their wisdom, was enough to bring
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  Speaker 3: this motion forward. The then Lord Mayor Sally Capp, supported
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  Speaker 3: by her deputy Nick Rees and five other councillors, put
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  Speaker 3: it forward and all agreed that this was what had
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  Speaker 3: to happen.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, just ruminate on that point for a moment, right?
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  Speaker 5: 960 people.
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  Speaker 3: Filling out a survey saying they wanted to change the
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  Speaker 3: date was enough to trigger that. Now what you've seen
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  Speaker 3: is a backflip because I think now you've got Nick Rees,
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  Speaker 3: the Lord Mayor, who's obviously reading the tea leaves and
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  Speaker 3: is recognising that being anti-patriot and anti-this country isn't so
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  Speaker 3: trendy anymore. And you've got the November election coming up
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  Speaker 3: where this, I feel, was something that they couldn't avoid.
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  Speaker 5: They had to get on board with this.
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  Speaker 2: Fair?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very fair. And if you think back to 2022,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of like the maybe the sort of
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  Speaker 1: apex of the change the date movement. It was the
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  Speaker 1: last year of the Morrison government. And so all the
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  Speaker 1: lefties were still frothing. at the mouth and jumping up
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  Speaker 1: and down. Of course, we had the voice referendum before
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  Speaker 1: it had lost all its momentum and came crashing down
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  Speaker 1: in flames. And so I think what you have to
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  Speaker 1: be aware of, and full credit to Nick Rees, now
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  Speaker 1: that he's become mayor, he's reinstated it, and Sally Ann Catt,
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  Speaker 1: you know, made a few iffy decisions.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 5: Full credit why, though? He's done a backflip because, again,
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  Speaker 5: he's obviously recognised.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't in charge back then.
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  Speaker 5: But he voted for it, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he thought he was... He thought he was
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  Speaker 1: following the will of the people. But again, this is
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  Speaker 1: the problem when you are so reliant on polls or
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  Speaker 1: focus groups. People always, or almost always, if they're asked
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  Speaker 1: a question in a poll or a focus group, will
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  Speaker 1: not just give their honest answer... but they'll also be
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  Speaker 1: under a lot of pressure to give the answer that
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  Speaker 1: they think they should give. And so, especially when you're
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  Speaker 1: asking people about something like, should we change the date
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  Speaker 1: or not? They might think, oh, I don't want them
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  Speaker 1: to think I'm racist. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: they're unhappy about it. And so, and then you get
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  Speaker 1: the other thing as well, where you get, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes there can be a whole lot of momentum in
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  Speaker 1: another direction on a, on an issue. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so are you going to vote for One Nation? Like,
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  Speaker 1: hell yeah, because you've seen that everyone else is jumping
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  Speaker 1: on board. So I think you've got to be pretty careful.
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  Speaker 1: And also, if you are going to outsource all your
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  Speaker 1: decisions to an opinion poll, why are you there? You know,
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  Speaker 1: AI could do your job.
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  Speaker 2: Why is this even a council issue in.
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  Speaker 1: The first place? Well, that's what they said.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same as, you know, the Inner West Council
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney and all these other councils. you know, had
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  Speaker 2: motions going up about, we condemn what's going on in Palestine. So, OK,
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  Speaker 2: I bet Benjamin Netanyahu is sitting there in Israel in
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  Speaker 2: Tel Aviv and going, can you believe the Inner West
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  Speaker 2: Council in Sydney didn't like what... It's a bit of
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  Speaker 2: your business.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit Varun Mandani-esque, isn't it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just stay out of it.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. These are people who actually don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be in council. They think they're foreign policy gurus. They
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  Speaker 1: think they're all Greta Thunbergs. But the interesting thing is,
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  Speaker 1: that if you listen to, because Melbourne's city is still
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  Speaker 1: greener than greener than green. It is the People's Republic.
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  Speaker 1: And if you go to the first motion that they passed,
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  Speaker 1: the City of Melbourne adopts the position that the City
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  Speaker 1: of Melbourne recognises 26 January as Australia's National Day, consistent
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  Speaker 1: with its recognition by the Australian Government and all state
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  Speaker 1: and territory governments, and acknowledges that any decision to change
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  Speaker 1: the date is a matter for the Australian Government and
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  Speaker 1: outside the jurisdiction of our local government. So, in other words,
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  Speaker 1: our position is we have no position.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Our position is whatever the federal government... Exactly as you
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  Speaker 1: were saying. So we're just going to stay in our lane.
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  Speaker 1: Which is what it always should have been. You don't
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  Speaker 1: need a motion to prove that. That's right, but it's
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  Speaker 1: also them desperately trying to hedge their bets because they
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  Speaker 1: then pass another part of the motion which declares that
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  Speaker 1: the City of Melbourne respects the diversity of views held
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  Speaker 1: within the community regarding Australia Day and supports an approach
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  Speaker 1: that enables those who wish to celebrate the day while
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging the significance the date holds for many First Nations
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  Speaker 1: people and others. So they are just desperately trying to
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  Speaker 1: cover all bases and their arses at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: issuing something so sort of anodyne, so beige, so benign.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is where it gets interesting too, right, because
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  Speaker 3: it will be left up to council officers to figure
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  Speaker 3: out if the motion means what is written or what
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  Speaker 3: councillors think.
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  Speaker 5: Think it means.
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  Speaker 1: So it's whatever you want it to be. So we
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  Speaker 1: can't even.
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  Speaker 3: Be guaranteed now that, you know, they'll actually have a
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  Speaker 3: parade and that you'll see this.
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  Speaker 1: That parade will never get those sort of numbers back.
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  Speaker 1: And that is a crying shame because that is three
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  Speaker 1: quarters of the number of people that were in the
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  Speaker 1: MCG for the grand final. It is, you know, basically
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  Speaker 1: it would increase the population of the city of Melbourne by,
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  Speaker 1: you know, 70,000 by 50%. And they've just thrown it
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  Speaker 1: all away.
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  Speaker 3: But do you think the mood and the appetite exists
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  Speaker 3: there in Melbourne for that? You know, for there to
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  Speaker 3: be a return of the Australia Day Parade?
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure it does.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Melbourne, you know, notwithstanding the fact that Victoria's
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  Speaker 2: re-elected Andrews and whatever government all those times, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that there aren't people who are not patriotic in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there are plenty of lefties there. But
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  Speaker 2: I still think there's lots of appetite. OK. Some would say.
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  Speaker 1: You can't get people to return to the CBD at gunpoint,
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  Speaker 1: and they've tried.
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  Speaker 5: Stop it! Alright, let's switch gears now.
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  Speaker 3: Not so much, though, because we're still sticking with the
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  Speaker 3: Indigenous theme. I don't know about you, but we've certainly
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  Speaker 3: had a gutful of what's going on right around the
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  Speaker 3: country with respect to schools and their decisions now to
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  Speaker 3: change names.
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  Speaker 5: Because they're too colonial. They feel too disturbed by the
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  Speaker 5: history of our country.
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  Speaker 3: And this latest report has shown that a Western Australian
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  Speaker 3: high school is the latest to scrap its, quote, colonial
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  Speaker 3: sport houses and replace it with names and icons reflective
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  Speaker 3: of the local Indigenous community. Applecross Senior High School in
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  Speaker 3: Perth recently announced it had replaced its four existing schoolhouses,
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  Speaker 3: named after four ships connected to the colonisation of WA,
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  Speaker 3: with new names and symbols that, quote, reflect our community,
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  Speaker 3: our place and and our connection to the Wadjuk Noongar country.
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  Speaker 5: And of course, this Perth High School is not the
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  Speaker 5: only one.
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  Speaker 3: We've also seen that in 2025, Bolwyn High School in
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  Speaker 3: Victoria replaced the house names there. Also, Lismore Heights Public
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  Speaker 3: School in New South Wales and Brighton Secondary School in
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  Speaker 3: South Australia I did some digging to find out what
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  Speaker 3: electorates all of these schools sat in, and they're all
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  Speaker 3: Labor electorates, with the exception of Bolwyn High School in Victoria,
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  Speaker 3: whose House of Representatives rep there is actually Jess Wilson, right,
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  Speaker 3: the leader of the opposition.
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne's leafy eastern suburbs.
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  Speaker 5: Leafy eastern suburbs, but... Their federal member is, of course,
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  Speaker 5: Koo Yong, and it's... Yeah, it's a teal. Am I
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  Speaker 5: being a.
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  Speaker 3: Little bit too conspiracy theorist here if I kind of
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  Speaker 3: point to the fact that there's a theme that all
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  Speaker 3: of these schools happen to be in Labor-left electorates and
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  Speaker 3: that these are the decisions that they're making?
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably more that they're schools in sort
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  Speaker 1: of touchy-feely electorates that are, you know, woke electorates, if
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  Speaker 1: you like, more than Labor electorates. I don't think you
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  Speaker 1: really see people that worried in... traditional Western suburbs electorates,
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  Speaker 1: for example, in Sydney and Melbourne, I don't think you'd
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  Speaker 1: see schools sort of bending over backwards to do this
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  Speaker 1: because they've got actual real issues that they need to
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  Speaker 1: deal with and real academic results that they need to
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  Speaker 1: work on. And so I think it's often, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at, you know, I mean, Baldwin High is...
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  Speaker 1: is just in the leafiest of the leafy eastern suburbs. No,
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  Speaker 1: it is in a very well-heeled area, so much so
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of the people who went there have
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  Speaker 1: a chip on their shoulder because they were the only
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  Speaker 1: ones going to a public school and all their friends
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  Speaker 1: were going.
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  Speaker 5: To a private.
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  Speaker 1: Going to private. So I think it is just kind
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  Speaker 1: of woke, overprivileged virtue ceiling. I don't really have a
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  Speaker 1: problem with it, to be honest, but I just think
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a waste of time. I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: much more concerned about You know, some of the stories
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  Speaker 1: we'll be reading about during the headlines about what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in WA, just like it is in the NT and
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  Speaker 1: other remote parts of Australia.
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  Speaker 2: That's what annoys me about it, is that they think
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  Speaker 2: they're doing something great by erasing colonial history, trying to
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  Speaker 2: pretend it doesn't exist. So we'll do a straight swap
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  Speaker 2: from a colonial name to an Indigenous name. as though
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  Speaker 2: that A fixes everything.
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  Speaker 1: Absolves you of all guilt.
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  Speaker 2: Absolves you of all guilt. Oh, you know, if we
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  Speaker 2: just don't acknowledge that this country has a colonial history,
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  Speaker 2: then all will be right. Well, no, there's actually a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good in great parts of that colonial history.
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  Speaker 2: And if it weren't for the fact that these, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the case of the school in WA, Applecross, and
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  Speaker 2: the same Broughton in Adelaide, You know, they were using
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  Speaker 2: names of ships, boats that had been used to transport
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  Speaker 2: people to this country. Now, the fact remains that these
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  Speaker 2: schools wouldn't exist if those boats had not sailed out here.
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  Speaker 2: And so we're going to pretend now that none of
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  Speaker 2: this exists is rubbish.
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  Speaker 3: But do you know what frustrates me more is that
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  Speaker 3: they're more concerned about dedicating time and energy to this
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  Speaker 3: than they are lending their voices to the causes that
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  Speaker 3: we've seen come out of WA, for example, recently. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I had the honour, and I'll say that because it's
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  Speaker 3: one of the most fascinating interviews I'd ever conducted. It
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  Speaker 3: was with Robyn Cahill, who is the Minister for Domestic Violence,
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  Speaker 3: Prevention and Child Protection in NT.
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  Speaker 5: She was so enlightening and told me about the real
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  Speaker 5: issues that are occurring. You've been to the Territory.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's really going on down there with our
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  Speaker 3: Indigenous brothers and sisters, and none of what this country
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  Speaker 3: and this woke mob are obsessed with are of issue
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  Speaker 3: or concern to these communities.
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  Speaker 1: That is absolutely correct, yeah. It is nauseating, and again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's any coincidence that I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: these are pretty well-heeled areas, except in the case of Lismore,
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  Speaker 1: where they might just be high on pot. But it's
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  Speaker 1: frustrating because, you know, We're seeing, you know, the Australian,
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  Speaker 1: for example, doing incredible work, the Children's Commissioner, the Children's Advocate,
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  Speaker 1: you know, saying that these kids are living in just
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: atrocious conditions that is absolutely intolerable and this needs to
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  Speaker 1: be addressed immediately. And you've still got, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Minister over there saying, oh, no, everything's fine because my
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  Speaker 1: caseworker's told me that, you know, this wasn't a problem
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't really... Like, and instead you've got you know,
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  Speaker 1: the house as school in WA thinking, well, I'll know
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  Speaker 1: how we'll fix our Indigenous problem. We'll change the names
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  Speaker 1: of our ships. Now, again, I'm guaranteed no one outside
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  Speaker 1: Applecross Senior High School could name any of those four ships.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea what they are. And so I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with just changing the name. But
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  Speaker 1: if you reckon that by doing something like that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: job done, you've recognised our Indigenous heritage and now we
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: can be at peace. We can't be at peace until
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: you fix up what your government's doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's, you know, it's the same as the people who
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: want to change the date of Australia Day. It's all
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  Speaker 2: just tokenistic because they think it solves the problem. It
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: does nothing, as we're talking about here, to practically solve anything. And, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: the closest most of these people have probably ever been
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  Speaker 2: to an Indigenous person is driving their beamer down the
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  Speaker 2: road and someone was standing on the footpath.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's right. Although I look forward to it happening
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  Speaker 1: at my beloved... I love my kids' school, where the
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: house names were... Hewitt, all named after sports stars. So
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  Speaker 1: it was Hewitt, Thorpe, Freeman and Sauvage, right?
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  Speaker 5: See, that's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Four of our greatest athletes ever, all wonderful Australians. Now,
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  Speaker 1: imagine if they got told they had to change them
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  Speaker 1: all to Indigenous names. Suddenly they would be racist because
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  Speaker 1: they'd have to remove Cathy Freeman. They'd be ableist because
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: they'd have to remove Louise Sawad and they'd be homophobic
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  Speaker 1: as well for taking down poor old Forby's name. So
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I look forward to that national debate, which is probably
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: a reason in itself as to why we should... focus
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: on more important issues.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: It also leads to that broader question then and that
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: issue around schools overall, right, and what they're being taught.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: So if you're constantly telling the kids, well, the reason
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: that we've done this is because of those awful colonists
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: and we have to move away from that and sympathise
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: with our Indigenous communities, then what do you think you're
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: raising the next generation to be?
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: It's why we're seeing all these university kids.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: As activists and high school students wishing death on Pauline Hanson.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was at my, you know, a friend's
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: school recently, an all-girls school, Catholic, by the way, Gee,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: they went hard. Eight performances that this cohort had to
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: put together.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what they were.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: They were about politics, climate change and the environment, reconciliation
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: with First Nations, refugees, gender and politics, nepotism, more on
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: refugees and gender inequality.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: That's 16-year-old girls.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: How about reconciliation in the confessional booth?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: That's what the Catholic Church used to be about. Yeah, look,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: kids are like that. I mean, some of the stuff that,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the changes of the house's name was done
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: because two kids, the school captains gave a presentation. I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: actually really like... I think that's really, really sweet and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: that they care about this and that kids are thinking
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: about this sort of stuff. But, again, you know, if
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: grown adults, and there's far too many of them, are
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: obsessed with the politics of grievance, obsessed with the politics
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of history... and the history wars, which are all about
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: who's to blame for things and not about what to
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: do about them, then nothing will ever get done. And
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: because the terrible poverty will always, and the disadvantage will all,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and the violence will always be either excused in the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: case of the violence and not taken seriously and addressed,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: or it will just be or people would just say, oh,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: but this is all your fault, as though that somehow.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: And that's the issue. It's not what's being taught, it's
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: how it's being taught.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Right? Terrible. Anyway, let's move on to something a bit
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: more upbeat and light-hearted. Tennessee death row killer Krista Pike
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: has refused her last meal ahead of her historic execution,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the first of a female in the state of Tennessee
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in 200 years, by the way. Do you know what
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the Tennessee state song is, incidentally? No. The Tennessee Waltz.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: They've got their own state song. It is a beautiful song.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely beautiful song. Anyway.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I was dancing with my baby.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's fantastic. One of my.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: To the 10, 10 Tennessee Waltz.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: My darling. I was dancing with my darling to the 10,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: 10 Tennessee Waltz. Beautiful. Oh, it's fantastic. Anyway, not so
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: lucky for poor old Krista Pike, who made the mistake
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: of torturing a girl, a teenage young woman, to death in.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: 1996 and was sentenced to death. I think we actually
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: have some very traumatic, I guess, images of her crying. However,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: just to remind everyone, she did torture a 19-year-old to death.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And also after being in prison, she attempted to kill
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: another person about five years later. And that resulted in
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: 25 years being tacked onto her sentence, which I guess
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: if you're already facing the The death penalty wouldn't be
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: that much of a disincentive. But anyway, let's have a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: listen to the judge handing down the Krista sentence, well,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: 30 years ago now.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: You shall be transferred.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: To the custody of the warden.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: At the Tennessee Prison Police.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: And further, on the 12th day of January, 1997, your
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: body shall be subjected to shock by sufficient current of electricity.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: May God have mercy upon you.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Can I please have a bubble before I go?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Please, let me just have a bubble.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Please, let me just have a bubble.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I love you. I love you too. I love you too.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Gotta say, they should have let her hug her mum.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just putting that on the record. Now, listen, I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: obviously oppose... The death penalty, as you would think, being
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a bleeding heart lefty on Sky News, not according to Twitter.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: News 24. News 24. Sorry, sorry. Oh, God. I'd like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to thank News 24 for my previous decade at the channel.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It's been an honour to serve and I'll miss you all. Anyway,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the point being, again, when you read the details of
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: what this person did, it was a horrible, horrible crime.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: She also said that she wasn't crying because she was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: scared of dying, but she had doubts about how it
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: would be done, how the electrocution would take place. And again,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: even after she's sentenced, maybe because she thought she got
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: nothing to lose, sentenced to die. But again, five years later,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: she tries to kill. She's done for attempted murder again. Anyway,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: she's had another 30 years. on the earth before she
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: has to go to the great hereafter. And on her
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: final night, she refused to have a last meal. She
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: said she didn't want a last meal. And so I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: guess my question is, if you were about to be executed,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: what would your last meal be?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I'd be, well, put it this way. I'd have a steak, probably,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: steak or duck. duck breast and copious amounts of alcohol.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I'd want to be absolutely three shoots to the wind.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to know that. I don't think they
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: let you do that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's bull.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I'd want to be absolutely... Because that would be... You
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: have to be cognisant of your.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: You've got to be completely cognisant. I'd want to be
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: three shoots to the wind if and.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: When it happened. That's a no-brainer, yes.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. I'd be sad if
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I couldn't have a glass of red on the way out. But,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I've got to say... I think you can
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: have a glass. Maybe.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: You can have it if you pee, did he? Apparently
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he is getting everything he wants in jail.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: But he's not being executed.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: No. But I have to say, if I were her
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and I'd done what she did, I think it'd be
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: fair that I'd be... put to death. I have no
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: issue with eye for an eye in this situation.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: OK so I am and there's no secret of this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I'm a woman of deep faith a Christian woman and
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I've always followed the belief Exodus chapter 20 verse 13
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: you shall not murder Jesus also in the book of John.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: This is my moment to evangelize. He's also preventing the
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: woman who committed adultery. He's against the idea of execution
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: and I know that there are earlier chapters in the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Old Testament like in Genesis.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: For example, which talks about effectively an eye for an eye.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: If you shed.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Human blood, then yours shall be shed too. So I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: against it in all forms. That's just my position, again,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: from my position of faith. And there is more context
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: to this, not that I'm excusing it, because I have
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: interviewed victims of serious rape and abuse and they haven't
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: gone on to do what this young woman did. But,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: of course, she was, as a child, she was raped
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: and subjected to serious abuse. Her parents neglected her and
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: abandoned her. And so it's a really awful, awful state
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: of affairs for this woman. But in saying that, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: don't think that she should be excused from a life
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: in jail. I think that she should have been left
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: there to die, quite frankly, because.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Of what she did. She was 18 when she did
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: it with her then boyfriend.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: They literally lured this young girl into the forest and they.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Tortured her to death. It is awful.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It's really horrible, yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: But you think of what it costs to keep a
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: prisoner alive. And look, I think today with all the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: advancements we've had in DNA and whatever, the evidence you
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: can build is far better than it used to be.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And I hate the idea of someone who was wrongfully
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: convicted being put to death. But, you know, it takes
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: a long time to actually get to the end of
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: death row. There's plenty of opportunity to appeal. The technology
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is far better.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Than it used to be.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: But the money that we spend keeping a prisoner alive
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: for all that time they're in prison, like in Australia,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: it's more than 100 grand a year.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: So what's your solution then? You want to just off everybody?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: For those who have committed the most serious of offences,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: namely murder.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: And sort of paedophilic offences. I'd say, yep, you're in
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: line for the death penalty.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I would just say on the cost issue, there is
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: an argument that it actually costs more to sentence someone
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to death because that then will trigger, that will then
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: stop at nothing to go to every possible level of appeal.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And also, of course, there are plenty of organisations out there,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: volunteer organisations, who will take on death penalty cases pro bono,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: even if they can't afford them. And so they will
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: launch those never-ending appeals right up until the 11th hour
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and therefore clog up the court system when it wouldn't
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: need to be. Whereas if you were just getting 25
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: years or something, you might just cop it sweet and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't get all that extra.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: And that's what did happen.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Her lawyers had applied for clemency, right, on the grounds
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of her trauma and things like that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Again, I don't subscribe to that. If you're going to
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: go down that path and make excuses for all murderers, then.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to eat either, though. This is the point.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: If we can return to.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Oh, you wouldn't want to eat?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't want to eat. Why? Well, I suppose
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to be hangry because you wouldn't want
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to be sort of depressed and anxious, but you couldn't eat.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: You couldn't enjoy a meal before you.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: I'm having tiramisu.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: You know, have you seen those Instagram videos of those
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: giant slabs of it that they have at weddings?
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Wheel out that slab for me and just.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Buy yourself some extra time.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Just think very slowly and see where you end up.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: While we're talking about matters of the law, an interesting
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: one also in the US they've been grappling with in
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: California is whether or not people who are behind the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: wheel of a driverless car or a car that is
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: in autopilot mode, i.e. you're not actually driving it, the
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: car is driving itself, ought to be held responsible for
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: anything that happens and potentially be done for DUI if
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they are pulled over. And this was included in a
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: bill that went up in California to reform DUI laws.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's been vetoed by the Governor Gavin Newsom. He said
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: he's not happy with the way some of it is written.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: He wants it to go back to the drawing board.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But what it would have included is that if you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: are behind the wheel of a car that is driving itself,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you could be done. for driving under the influence, which
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: to me kind of seems like it defeats the point
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of a car being driverless.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Isn't the whole purpose that you can go out and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: get pissed and then fall asleep in the passenger seat
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and the car gets you home? Isn't that why God
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: invented driverless cars in the first place?
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Until it starts to malfunction and then it's careening off
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: the road and then you're in charge.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a bigger problem for whoever designed it than
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it is for me. I'm asleep in the back.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And this is the question, right, is who is actually
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: responsible if a driverless car decides to go haywire? Because
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it's big now in the US, and this is apparently
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: going to come to Australia within the next 12 months.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: They've got those, you know, Waymo things over there, right,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: which are, you know, robo-cabs. You just get in them
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and they take you where you want to go. There's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: no driver in it or anything. So if you get
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: into one of those things, pissed, and it decides to
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: crash into someone, well, you couldn't have done anything to
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: prevent that happening because you were under the influence or
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you were distracted or whatever.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: No, that's a cab.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I know, but it's still effectively the same thing. Just
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: because you're sitting in the car that you own as
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: opposed to you're sitting in a driverless car that someone
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: else owns, is it not still doing exactly the same thing?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: If it's in an autopilot mode, the car is driving itself.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: But hang on now. Just take away the driverless experience.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: If you got into an Uber and the Uber driver
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: was drunk and you crashed and had an accident, that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: not your responsibility. If you're driving behind the wheel of
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a car drunk and you crash, that's your responsibility.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: But in both cases, no-one's driving drunk.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: You're not driving.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: But if your car does start to malfunction and you
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: are behind the wheel, even though it is a driverless vehicle,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I would have really had the general assumption that then...
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: you should be sober so that you can actually drive it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the rule is that you do actually...
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: For all my incredibly funny joking about being in the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: back seat asleep, you do actually have to be behind
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the wheel for just that reason. Correct. That's the law
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: as it stands at the moment. But, again... Does that not,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, isn't the whole point of a driverless car
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that it frees you up to do other stuff? You
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: can work, you could do.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It would seem pointless to have a personal driverless car
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: if you then have to be alert all the time. No.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Because you may as well just be driving the car.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And having fun, because driving is fun.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I just think it's a whole bunch of nonsense.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I think it's nonsense.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I think the whole concept of driverless cars, I think
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: we've seen enough malfunctioning incidents as well. We've shown some
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: funny clips on here for everyone's amusement. I just think
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the whole concept for me, give me my internal combustion engine,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: 1967 Mustang, my dream car, every day of the week,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I've no interest in EVs or driverless cars.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because I have generally felt the same way.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: But I was reading a story today in The Oz
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and they're talking about these Waymos and they're looking at
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the crash data for Waymos versus, you know, person operated
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: vehicles in the United States. And on average, the Waymos
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have far fewer crashes than humans do. And so, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: as much as it pains me to say it, maybe
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the technology is actually getting better than us.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Would you get in one?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I'd give it a go, yeah. You know, actually, many
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: years ago, and this is... Oh, jeez, I was still
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: working in Adelaide. So I reckon this is seven or
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: eight years ago, there was a driverless bus... that they
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: were doing a trial of, right? And it was just
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: on a fixed, you know, road circuit. And they were
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: trialling this driverless bus and I went out and went
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: on the driverless bus to write a story about it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: And?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it was going very slow at the time. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: think they'd be doing a bit more pace these days.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: But it was a very odd experience, particularly then. But, no,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I'd get in the way, mate.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I'd give it a go.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: You would, Joe?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: What I'd do, I'd buy a driverless car and then
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: register it as a cab and then get drunk and.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Fall asleep in bed.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: So you can get in a fist?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That's right. Exactly. Beautiful.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Love it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to test the boundaries and the temperature
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: in households now when I bring up the following story.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Are there any secret or unknown things that you do
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: when your partner falls asleep?
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Now, before your mind goes to the gutter, There's a
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: particular story.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: There's a particular story that's come out that's revealed that
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: partners now, the bedroom habit that has couples sneaking around
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: after dark is actually them changing the thermostat.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Your core body temperature actually drops in the evening and
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: research found that people are most likely to fall asleep
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: while that drop is happening quickly. And survey respondents said
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: that their bedroom became too warm for comfortable sleep at
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: about 23.8 degrees Celsius. And research generally puts the sweet
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: spot closer to about 18.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Degrees, they're saying.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: And 68 percent of partnered sleepers said they've used separate blankets.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: A quarter have bailed to another bed for the night.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Another 11 percent have stopped sharing the bed all together.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: And it begs the question, Are you getting up to
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: change the thermostat in the middle of the night or
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: are there other reasons that you're getting out of bed?
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Joseph?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: It begs the question, what happened to Vice? Remember when
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it used to be edgy?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Now it's writing stories about how couples prefer different temperatures
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: on the thermostats. I'm saying it doesn't go far enough.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: As you could probably gather by my previous commentary, my
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: wife and I sleep in separate bedrooms and we've both
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: never been happier.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: It's called sleep divorce.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. And apparently we're not, I mean, I'm used to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: being a trendsetter in other areas. So I guess it
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: makes sense that she's catching on as well. The shoes, everything. But,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like, it wasn't really like my, like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: we aren't giving away too many trade secrets. My, our
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: youngest was sleeping with my, my wife, her mum, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: and curled up with her and didn't want to sleep
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: by herself. So basically I got booted out of the bed.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: But look, my wife tells me she's very happy. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that's the most important thing. And meanwhile, and I'm, you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: so I've got my own. No one's really asked me that. Yeah, no,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: because we just like, because we are complete opposites nocturnally.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Like she is an early to bed, early to rise.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I'm totally nocturnal. I stay up late. She is the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: worst tosser and turner as well. She is just an
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: absolute beast. I've got to say just a minute. never ends,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: just constantly.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Without getting too personal, though.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: No, ask me anything.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: And fair enough, because, I mean, in my household, I
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: haven't slept in the same bed as my husband since, gee,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: what is it, five years?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see how happy you are?
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: But I'm just a.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Generally happy person until I get talking about politicians. But,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, five years now because.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Of my son, right? I've got both of my kids
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: in the bed with me. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Do you
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: feel that it's had an impact on your relationship?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. In fact, it's actually been really good
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: for it because... If either one of us ever shows
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: up in the other's bed, we know what we're there for.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER No, there's no need for... We don't need to
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: fill out the official government-approved consent form.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: I love how I said without getting too personal.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: You know what's coming, so to speak. But it's also...
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And this... I have had this problem before.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Where's ACMA when you need them?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Because I run hot during the night.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Like, I, you know, covers off and I like a
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: really cold.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And during the day too, a lot of people say.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I like a cold... whereas I've had partners who, you know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: want to be really warm. And so it does actually
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: pose a problem. But I just, I don't like the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: idea of sleeping separately because I'm a big cuddler. And, oh,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: that's cute. And I like to roll over in the night.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Are you the big spoon or the little spoon?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Both.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Let's have that conversation when you're eventually off the market, right?
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Young buck like you.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: The time will come one day. But, no, I get
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: it for practical reasons, but I find it rather sad myself.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I'd prefer to be in the same bit.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Wake up, Paul Caleb. Marriage is sad.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Honestly.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: No, it's not.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: No, it's wonderful. I've never been happier.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Joe's really selling it, isn't he?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Never been happier.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: While we're speaking of really happy things, we'll take a
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: look at the front pages. After this break, Jim Penman,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the man who, of course, founded Jim's Mowing, he's having
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a go at the other Jim, the one federally running
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the budget. We'll tell you more about that in a minute.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Just before we get into the papers, you might have
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: heard at the end of Paul's program, but Nathan Cleary...
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: has won the Dallium in the NRL tonight. And the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: poor bugger, of course, is laid up because he broke
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: his leg on the weekend. But, you know, I'm sure
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: he's glad to have won the Dallium, but I'm sure
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a part of him wishes that, A, he was not injured, but, B,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: that the Panthers had made it into another grand final.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Holy cannoli, but can I tell you, I've had enough
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: of the Panthers. Like, it's all sort of four-peat.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Five would be greedy. Five is greedy, you know what
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: It's enough.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Four-peat doesn't even rhyme. LAUGHTER No. At least three feet works.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: That's right. We're running out of adjectives to describe it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Indeed. What a great kid, though.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a look at the papers on
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the front of the advertiser tomorrow. Iconic mower man's takedown
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: of namesake treasurer Jim's mowing us down. Good headline. The
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: founder of iconic Jim's mowing has lashed his namesake, branding
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the treasurer incompetent. The advertiser consulted businessman called Jim about
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers' refusal to acknowledge government spending was helping to
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: drive interest rates up. Lawn mogul Jim Penman said, I
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: think we're in trouble as a nation. Now, you know what, Sherlock?
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: And more and more of these business owners are coming out.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: You remember the owner of Boost Juice as well? She
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: took to social media to lash the government as a
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: business owner.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: It's a sad state of affairs.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Although the one upside is the continuation of the grand
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: old News Corp tradition of... calling people with the same
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: name as the prime minister or politician they're after and
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: finding out what they think of that. You know, you'd
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: always go to some other guy who's also called John
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Howard or you'd go to all the families on Rudd
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Street to see her.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that's like remembering the games and there was all
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: this business about, you know, whether or not there'd be
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: an Indigenous apology and they got John Howard the actor.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going the wrong way. That's right, yeah. We
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: actually did it on purpose. All right, let's have a
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: look at what's happening on the front page of The Australian.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And this, of course, you would have heard from the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: coverage early in the evening, especially on Shari earlier as
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the news was breaking. But a pilot tried to crash
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a jet headed to Israel. This is, of course, the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: tale of an actual pilot who tried to stab the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: other pilot in the cockpit. But I'll let Oz tell
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the story. Passengers and crew on board A passenger jet
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: flying from Dubai to Tel Aviv reportedly subdued one of
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the pilots mid-flight after he attempted to hijack the jet
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and crash it into the ground. Passengers on board FlyDubai
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: flight FZ17073 have described scenes of chaos and blood as
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: they struggled with crew members to bring the person under
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: control after a violent altercation between the aircraft's pilots. So
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: this was extraordinary. I was on the desk with Shari
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: as this story was breaking and just reading the news.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: There was an interview with the mother of one of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the passengers who was waiting at Ben Gurion Airport in
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Tel Aviv and had just received a phone call from
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: her daughter. And apparently the pilot, the pilot under attack
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: or another one, and this is another interesting part of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the story, but just called for anyone, all passengers in
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the cabin, in the fuselage, to come and help him.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: There was screaming among the passengers, obviously, as you would
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: have heard this. The plane plummeted almost half as high
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: as it was in the air, or in fact, even
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: exactly half as high. So I was sitting at about,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I think, 33,000 feet, so a bit over 10,000 metres,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and plummeted 17,000 feet in like a minute. I mean,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that's bonkers. Terrifying. Imagine how you would feel. And then
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: there was some, and it was a bit unclear as
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: what the woman was telling the news agencies, but she
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: said they were able to subdue this other pilot and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: then two other pilots were able to land the plane.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So there were maybe three pilots or there was a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: spare maybe hitching a ride or something in the cockpit.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And thank God, because obviously if the killer pilot had
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: have alleged taking out the other pilot, there would have
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: been no one to bring it home. So anyway, an
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: extraordinary story, and thank God it's ended the way it did.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: We also mentioned on the Indigenous front, there's the terrible,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: terrible state of affairs in WA, and again, just... you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: same as we've seen in Alice Springs recently with David Mungy.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: But anyway, on the outside looking out as caseworkers take
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the kids away. At the end of a cul-de-sac overlooking
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the vast scrubby plains of Port Hedland is a ramshackle
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: corrugated iron shack squatting on a slab of Pilbara red dirt.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: The matriarch of this large household is a mother and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: grandmother called Nola, a strong, no frills, indigenous woman who
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: looks life right in the eye. But Noel was blindsided
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: last Tuesday, and again, this just breaks your heart, at
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: 4pm when police and child protection officers arrived en masse
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: in her driveway. She claims eight officers and four caseworkers
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: descended on her house, grabbed her baby granddaughter, toddling across
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the yard, bundled her youngest son, aged just eight, into
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a government car and removed him from the only home
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: they've ever known to become wards of It is just
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: extraordinary stuff. And obviously they're in the grandmother's care because
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the actual parents are presumably in no fit state to
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: care for these kids. And this follows other revelations such as,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you know, another carer, I think it was a grandparent,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: who had their baby taken away and just given to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: an ice-addled mother, picked up from preschool and said, no,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you're not going home. You're going to your ice junkie mum's.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: My heart just breaks.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: For these kids.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: It's absolutely devastating.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Let's move on to the front page of the Herald Sun.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And there's an exclusive via Shannon Deary. Victorians reveal the
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: number one issues that will drive their election decision crime
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: vote verdict. Youth crime and bail laws will be the
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: biggest issues driving votes at next month's state election, whilst
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: almost two-thirds of Victorians say the state is heading in
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the wrong direction under the Carroll government.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: La-di-da, no, bull.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: And latest Herald Sun polling shows Labor looks set to
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: lose the election with the primary vote trailing the coalition
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: by five points.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: And how about this?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You can only hope.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: You can only hope. I actually am not holding my breath.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Depending on who you speak to, some are saying Labor
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: are going to get back into power.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Others are saying, nah, they're gone. Do you have any hope?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: You know, talking not all that long ago, earlier in
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the month, to people who are campaigning on the right
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: side of things. And they're saying to me, the numbers
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: we're looking at, you know, the Carroll government could actually
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: be returned. That is horrifying.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I would find that extraordinarily hard to believe. That is not,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: from what I have heard from polling on the Labor side... But.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Didn't we all have that feeling with Dan Andrews? We thought,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: there's no way this guy's going to get re-elected.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: We're talking about totally different sets of numbers. With Dan Andrews, like, maybe...
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: He won't be elected, but the polls weren't showing anything like... Well, actually,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the opposition's polls were showing some crazy stuff.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Sick of the polls.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Was that Freshwater? Anyway.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: Here's another funny story too. How about this? How many
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: reboots are they going to have of Neighbours, by the way?
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Margot's AI return rocks Neighbours. Key cast member slams plan
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: for AI-assisted reboot of soap opera.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: featuring Margot Robbie's return.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Dare I say, you will never actually find a better
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: AI version than Margot Robbie in real life.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think Margot Robbie's lawyer might have something to
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: say about that as well? You're going to do what
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: with my body? Sorry?
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: AI-generated neighbours?
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Like, come on.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: How low have we sunk?
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Can't we just let that soap opera rest in peace?
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: How many reboots?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: You're obviously not a real fan, Lucy.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: LAUGHTER Our house as kids, it was always neighbours at
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: 6.30 followed by home and away at 7. Mum had
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: control of the TV after the 6pm news. There was
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: no doubt about that. On the front of the NT News,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Thai beef gets spicy. Good headline. Thai embassy officials could
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: be dragged into one of the territory's most closely watched
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: court cases after the lawyer for Labor MP Luke Gosling
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: claimed there are five foreigners whose statements need to be collected.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: 22 civilian statements and 19 CCTV files. Bit going on
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in that case.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm looking forward to that so much. I like
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Luke Gosling.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Well, you want to go and defend him in court then, mate?
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think I... Well, I certainly would if
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you ask me to.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: How about we just wait to see how this plays out?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying whether he did it or not. I'm
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: just saying I like him. I met him. There you go.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: He gets the Joe stamp of approval.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: After the break, Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister now over
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom, he has had... I've seen some
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: awkward moments in politics. I think this one may well
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: take the cake. Big call, but it could do.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: We'll show you soon.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Now, you know, your kid grows up and you want
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: certain things for them. You might wish that your kid
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: goes into a certain career. You might hope that they
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: get married and have kids so you can have grandkids,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: all these sorts of things. But have you ever wished
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that your son would be gay? Well, I can tell
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: you that Cameron Mannheim, the actress certainly, has what she
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: decided to announce at a dinner of the Human Rights
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Commission in the United States.
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: I have photographs of my son in high heels, in
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: full drag. He knows every word to every musical ever written.
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: His fairy godfather, Aaron Walton, is here with us tonight.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, truly, I thought I.
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: Had this f * * * ing thing locked up.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: But no, no.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: He's the only straight guy in his entire musical theater company.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, boo-hoo.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: How sad. I wanted to wait and hear the laughter, though,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: because I think she stuffed the joke.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: You reckon? They didn't get it?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It's a valid joke, but no, I think she was
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: just too sort of wound up.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I thought James McPherson summed it up best when he said,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: can you imagine the outrage if the script was flipped
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: and it was a woman saying that she wished her
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: gay son was actually straight?
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Imagine the horror. Speaking of horror, how about this? I'm
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: a big high fashion fan, have always loved it. I
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: reminisce routinely about the beautiful runway that Tom Ford used
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: to produce while he was the creative director at Gucci,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Gianni Versace while he was still alive.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: The fashion was impeccable. But now, have a look at this. Um, what?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: That's imagery coming out of Paris Fashion Week, which is on.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Is that derelict from Zoolander?
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: It's more than derelict. It looks satanic. I mean, they
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: look demonic. It's really uncomfortable. I just, like.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even look hot. These people are meant to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: be the ones who know about fashion.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm looking at this going, what on earth are
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: they thinking?
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: You look like mutants.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: What the hell is that? Seriously. Like, if that's what
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: fashion is these days, count me out.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, me too.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I'll just do what I want to do. I mean,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: you do what you want to do.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I do, yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Very clearly, Jack.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: That's right, I do.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: And maybe we're the smart ones because I wouldn't be
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: taking my cues from them.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: It's incredible, isn't it, though? I mean, the guy in
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the boot tube, he's doing it right and no one
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: else is catching on. Now, we all know that the
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: three most dangerous words in any speech are hold for applause.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And the catch is when there's no applause, you don't hold.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: But apparently nobody told new UK Prime Minister Andy Burnham
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: at the UK Labor Conference this week. Have a look.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: interest of this country.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: This is not on time delay.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: What on earth is he doing?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: It's still going.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: What is he doing? Was he genuinely waiting for people?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Here it is.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Fancy floors.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: So.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Whoever's job it was to get there.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: They needed that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: You know the signs?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Now they're all standing up to compensate.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. But also what.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's just... Just move on.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: After all that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: So he's standing here awkwardly for that whole time, waiting
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: for the applause. No-one is applauding. And then eventually they decide.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah... oh- ho- ho! Now we need to applaud. Now we need
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to over-applaud to make up for all the non-applause earlier on. I...
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I swear to God, that moment alone.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I wish I'd remembered this earlier so we could show it,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: but it just reminds me of that iconic moment. Jeb Bush,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: please clap.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: You remember the line?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Please clap. That's what Andy Burnham needed. Thank you for
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: joining us tonight. Thanks for reading about Andy's show.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Good night.