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Sharri | 22 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Spin News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening, the Isis poster boy back from the dead
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Speaker 3: and Albanesi is doing nothing to stop in returning to Australia.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's secret dinner hosted by a Chinese billionaire
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Speaker 3: but barely a peep from the media, plus the lunacy
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Speaker 3: of the Albanese government over our national flag. Kelly Sloane
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Speaker 3: will share her view shortly, and New York Muslim socialist
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Speaker 3: Mayor Zoran Mamdani admits he can't arrest the Israeli Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister as he launches a fresh diatribe. But first tonight
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Speaker 3: to the Isis poster boy back from the dead. Worrying
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Speaker 3: news today that the Albanese government may not ban this
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Speaker 3: notorious Islamic steak doctor and others like.
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Speaker 4: Him from returning to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Tarik Kamla, known as Doctor Jihad, first came to prominence.
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Speaker 3: It's in twenty fifteen he appeared in an Islamic state
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Speaker 3: propaganda video trying to present a clean faced, humanitarian image
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Speaker 3: of the bloodthirsty death cult. You can see that he's
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Speaker 3: wearing medical scrubs in a neonatal ward in Raka and
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Speaker 3: the Spin was that he was there for humanitarian reasons,
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Speaker 3: and he appealed to other Muslim doctors to join ISIS.
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Speaker 5: It's disappointing to think how many fellow Muslim brothers and
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Speaker 5: sisters who are in the medical field are still living
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Speaker 5: in the West.
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Speaker 6: Please consider coming, Please don't delay.
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Speaker 3: He was born in Perth, trained in Adelaide, and practiced
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Speaker 3: in Queensland and the Northern Territory. But in the years
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Speaker 3: that followed he appeared in other videos that hinted at
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Speaker 3: the real story, with a beard in combat gear and
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Speaker 3: wielding an AK forty seven. You can see him in
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Speaker 3: an underground cave calling for true Muslims to join the Jihad.
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Speaker 4: You are living in the countries that are sending us rockets.
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Speaker 4: You are living in.
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Speaker 7: The countries that are killing Musliman here, and you are
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Speaker 7: paying taxes still to them.
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Speaker 6: You have no honor, you have no self respect.
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Speaker 3: That was in twenty seventeen. ISIS terrorists announced his martyrdom
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Speaker 3: on social media in June the next year, so it
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Speaker 3: was widely reported that he'd been killed, but intelligence agencies
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Speaker 3: and other authorities always said this was unverified. And then
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Speaker 3: today this scoop by Muhammad al Farrez in The Australian
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Speaker 3: that not only is he alive, but he wants to
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Speaker 3: return to Australia.
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Speaker 7: Tarek Kamler, the notorious playboy turned Isis doctor, did not
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Speaker 7: perish in the ruins of Rucca, as it was speculated.
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Speaker 7: An updating to the investigation of Karma, also known as
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Speaker 7: Other User for Australia or Doctor g Had, was published
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Speaker 7: by Rex Supreme Judicial Council late last month, which says
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Speaker 7: that he was apprehended while shifting through the final front
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Speaker 7: lines of a caliphon. The core brief outlines his capture,
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Speaker 7: his role within the Islamic States Health Department, and his
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Speaker 7: final desperate flight from the crumbling elephants. Doctor g Head
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Speaker 7: is now locked inside a high security Bagdad prison and
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Speaker 7: his undergoing interrogation by the country's elite Hono terrorism judiciary.
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Speaker 3: This is excellent journalism, but why are we learning about
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Speaker 3: it from the media. Why hasn't the Home Affairs Minister,
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Speaker 3: the entire Albanzi government been up front about this. Now,
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Speaker 3: if doctor g Had is deemed a non combatant, he
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Speaker 3: could be freed and try to make his way here,
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Speaker 3: just like the Isis brides have done. Where even Some
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Speaker 3: of those arrested on arrival have been let out on
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Speaker 3: bail by what seems to me to be weak magistrates.
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Speaker 3: But this is a terror supporter who urged Muslims to
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Speaker 3: join the fight against us all in the West. It's
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Speaker 3: irrelevant whether he was involved in armed combat or not.
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Speaker 3: He was part of the machinery of the evil death
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Speaker 3: cult that murdered, raped and beheaded non Muslims and he
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Speaker 3: didn't hide his views.
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Speaker 8: We loved it more than you love life.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: The Opposition leader Angus Taylor was crystal clear today that
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Speaker 3: Terek should be banned from flying into our country.
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Speaker 9: The Labor Party needs to commit to preventing that from happening.
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Speaker 9: They have many leavers at their disposal. They can ensure
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Speaker 9: that this person does not get a passport. They can
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Speaker 9: use temporary exclusion orders. We have put legislation in of
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Speaker 9: the Parliament to prevent third parties from helping people like
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Speaker 9: him terrorists back into the country. ISIS is a brutal
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Speaker 9: organization and anyone who has been part of it and
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Speaker 9: has been offshore as part of it should not be
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Speaker 9: coming back to our country. The Labour Party should not
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Speaker 9: be rolling out the red.
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Speaker 3: Carpet really strong and sensible comments there, but as usual
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Speaker 3: the Albanezy government equivocates.
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Speaker 10: We have no sympathy for anyone who's participated in ISIS,
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Speaker 10: one of the most evil terrorist organizations the world has
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Speaker 10: ever seen. He made choices. He's got to live with
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Speaker 10: the consequence of those choices, including if he returns facing
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Speaker 10: the full force of the law. Now, obviously prosecutors will
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Speaker 10: make those decisions independently, and that's the language.
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Speaker 3: If he returns, he'll face the full force of the law.
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Speaker 3: It's not stopping him from country. I mean, let's be
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Speaker 3: very clear. This isis poster boy.
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Speaker 4: Back the dead should never step foot in our country. Again.
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Speaker 3: We've just had the terror attack of Bondi, allegedly committed
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Speaker 3: beneath the banner of an ISIS flag. This ideology has
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Speaker 3: no place in our country. It would be a major
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Speaker 3: slap in the face to the victims of Bondai to
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Speaker 3: allow anyone who took part in Islamic State to call
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Speaker 3: Australia home. I'll come back to that in a little
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Speaker 3: bit with John o'dunnham, the Shadow Home Affairs Minister, but
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Speaker 3: first I want to turn to the shocking new details
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Speaker 3: about Anne Whittacomb's alleged murder in the UK, which emerged overnight.
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Speaker 3: The seventy eight year old former British MP who'd become
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Speaker 3: a national treasure, was at home alone and had just
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Speaker 3: finished doing a television interview. She was eating lunch just
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Speaker 3: after midday when there was an intruder. Twenty eight year
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Speaker 3: old Joshua Kerrey is alleged to have driven more than
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Speaker 3: three hundred and forty kilometers from his home to carry
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Speaker 3: out this attack. He allegedly entered through an open door
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Speaker 3: near her kitchen, allegedly struck her in the head with
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Speaker 3: a hammer twenty one times, stole her wallet and left.
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Speaker 3: He was in the house for just two minutes. Such
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Speaker 3: a violent and shocking murder allegedly carried out in the
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Speaker 3: space of one hundred and twenty seconds. She would have
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Speaker 3: been absolutely petrified.
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Speaker 11: Heard that on the day of her death, Anne Whittacombe
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Speaker 11: was meant to have appeared on an online interview with
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Speaker 11: Channel five, but of course producers then didn't hear from her,
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Speaker 11: so they then contacted her assistant, who then got in
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Speaker 11: touch with her gardener, who was asked to go and
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Speaker 11: check on her. That then happened The next day, on
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Speaker 11: the ninth of July, and her gardner found Anne Whittacombe
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Speaker 11: lying face down in her kitchen with serious head injuries.
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Speaker 4: Can you just imagine? Alistair Richardson.
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Speaker 3: Further prosecution described this attack as planned and targeted. Detectives
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Speaker 3: are still determining whether there was a political or terrorist
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Speaker 3: connection to the attack, but it's a tragic event that
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Speaker 3: has sent ripples worldwide. And Whittocombe wasn't just a former MP.
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Speaker 3: She was loved by many after appearing on Dancing with
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Speaker 3: the Stars and as Brendan O'Neill told us here last night,
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Speaker 3: she was a friend to all.
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Speaker 8: She had gone on reality TV show, she was on
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Speaker 8: Strictly Come Dancing, she was on Celebrity Big Brother. She
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Speaker 8: was even though she is very very conservative and some
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Speaker 8: people see her as saw her as controversial, she was
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Speaker 8: incredibly loved and very popular.
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Speaker 3: And he also complained about how the police have handled
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Speaker 3: this investigation.
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Speaker 8: The police's handling of it has also shocked people because
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Speaker 8: they said very quickly that it doesn't seem to have
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Speaker 8: been political and it doesn't seem to have been terrorist terrorism,
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Speaker 8: and lots of people shouted down Nigel Faraj when he said,
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Speaker 8: it looks like it might be.
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Speaker 3: More to come on this story, but it is a
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Speaker 3: tragic end to a remarkable life. Now support for One
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Speaker 3: Nation in Pauline Hanson. We know it's surging around the country,
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Speaker 3: but it is as well in New South Wales and
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Speaker 3: it could impact on the state election in eight months time.
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Speaker 3: According to Resolve poll, Labor is on twenty nine percent primary,
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Speaker 3: One Nation on twenty five percent and the Liberals on
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Speaker 3: twenty three percent. And joining me now is New South Wales'
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Speaker 3: opposition leader Kelly Sloan. Kelly, thank you very much much,
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Speaker 3: Shary here, great to see you again. Look are you
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Speaker 3: worried about this surge and support for One Nation and
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Speaker 3: how now what could impact on your primary vote with
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Speaker 3: the election campaign some six months away.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and I should be.
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Speaker 12: And I think the people that are saying at the
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Speaker 12: moment that they want to support One Nation are sending
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Speaker 12: a very clear message to the major parties that they
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Speaker 12: are frustrated. They're more than frustrated, They're angry. They don't
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Speaker 12: feel that they've been heard. I've been out there listening
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Speaker 12: to people telling them what will it take to win
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Speaker 12: back your vote? And one of the primary drivers of
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Speaker 12: this angst. In this frustration is their loss of economic opportunity.
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Speaker 12: They're working hard, they're going backwards. This is going to
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Speaker 12: be the first generation of young people that have it
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Speaker 12: worse off than their parents, so they need people that
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Speaker 12: can fix that. And many of these frustrations are coming
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Speaker 12: from federal politics and there's a flow over into the
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Speaker 12: state poles. In state politics in New South Wales, we
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Speaker 12: currently have no One nation members, there's no one nation
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Speaker 12: support structure. We don't know how many candidates there will
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Speaker 12: be or what kinds of policies they'll have. So there's
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Speaker 12: a clear opportunity for me to say I'm listening, I
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Speaker 12: can hear you.
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Speaker 6: I'm frustrated too.
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Speaker 12: I'm a fresh face in politics, I'm not inside the
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Speaker 12: beltway and I'm there to make a difference.
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Speaker 3: That's fascinating that even with no One Nation MPs, they're
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Speaker 3: getting a higher primary vote than the coalition. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's an empty chair, if you like, an empty chair
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Speaker 3: is getting more support.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 12: Look, these poles are often taken at the same time
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Speaker 12: as the federal polls. We know that it is when
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Speaker 12: you break down some of the data and you look
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Speaker 12: at it, the economics is the big key, and that's
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Speaker 12: why I want to be driving the economy. That's why
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Speaker 12: I've announced policies around making us the most competitive state
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Speaker 12: in the country in New South Wales when it comes
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Speaker 12: to payroll tax as a start investing in our regions,
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Speaker 12: making pragmatic decisions about the energy roll.
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Speaker 6: Out, those kind of things.
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Speaker 12: People listening to that and it's making sense, and people
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Speaker 12: are saying to me, we're willing to give you a
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Speaker 12: fair go, we want a reason to vote for you.
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Speaker 6: We'll come back.
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Speaker 3: I mean, chrus Mean's still a very popular premiere. I
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Speaker 3: think the poll today had his preferred premier rating sitting
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Speaker 3: somewhere around thirty six percent compared to yours at sixteen percent.
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Speaker 4: So I mean, it must be.
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Speaker 3: Tough for you to come up and fight against a
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Speaker 3: very well liked premiere.
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Speaker 12: And he is well known and he's been around longer
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Speaker 12: than me, so he should be doing better than thirty
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Speaker 12: six percent. Gladys in her high days was around fifty percent.
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Speaker 12: Melanascus is doing very well sixteen percent, says I've obviously
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Speaker 12: got a long way to go, but there is opportunity
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Speaker 12: for people to get to know me and understand my policies.
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Speaker 12: Forty seven percent of people haven't made up their mind
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Speaker 12: who their preferred premiere is.
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Speaker 6: That means there's opportunity for me, and I'm going.
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Speaker 3: To go for that opportunity in terms of just some
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Speaker 3: of the you know, the issues that are driving support
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Speaker 3: for one nation. I mean, we saw today that there's
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Speaker 3: a Union motion that's been put up for a Labor
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Speaker 3: conference to change the Australian flag. Now, I know you
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Speaker 3: haven't seen these means yet, but the minister Albinizi Government
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Speaker 3: Minister Clara O'Neil was on Sunrise this morning with Nat barr.
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Speaker 4: Now she was asked about this. Have a look at
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Speaker 4: what she said?
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Speaker 6: Are you up for changing the flag?
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Speaker 12: I'm here in Adelaide for Labour's national conference.
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Speaker 6: Would you be up for changing it? Claire? Look, and
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Speaker 6: that's just not what the conference is about.
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Speaker 4: Yes or no?
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Speaker 12: Clare again, Nat, Sorry, it's not something that I've had
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Speaker 12: a moment to think about.
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Speaker 6: Oh my god.
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Speaker 4: And it went on a bit more than that.
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Speaker 3: Even Nat bar did a great job pressing her, what
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Speaker 3: do you think should we change the flag?
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Speaker 12: This is people why people are frustrated with politicians. At
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Speaker 12: least have a clear answer a yes or a no.
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Speaker 12: I am yes for our flag. I love our Australian flag.
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Speaker 12: It's been flying since nineteen oh one, since federation. You know,
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Speaker 12: we've had more than a century of sacrifice, of shared history,
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Speaker 12: of two world wars, and there are other priorities right now.
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Speaker 12: This is everything that is wrong with the Labor Party.
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Speaker 12: They're trying to tear away anything to do with our
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Speaker 12: colonial past. We have different parts of our history, but
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Speaker 12: they are selling off our military assets. At the moment,
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Speaker 12: they have their Labor Conference, which by the way, is
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Speaker 12: fifty percent union delegates, and it is the unions saying
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Speaker 12: that our flag and the quote was from the Australian
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Speaker 12: Manufacturing Workers' Union saying that this is a sign of oppression.
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Speaker 6: No, it is not.
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Speaker 12: It is a flag that can unify us, that has
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Speaker 12: unified us. That is special, and people are out there
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Speaker 12: in voter land in the real world want us to
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Speaker 12: be focused on.
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Speaker 6: The things that matter to them.
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Speaker 12: That is the cost of living, that is opportunities for
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Speaker 12: their kids, that is access to healthcare, and that is
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Speaker 12: moving our economy forwards. So they've got opportunity. Everything that
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Speaker 12: is going backwards in New South Wales at the moment
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Speaker 12: and the rest of the country, so no wonder people
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Speaker 12: are getting annoyed.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you about a couple of other
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Speaker 3: issues that have popped up in your state. In New
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Speaker 3: South Wales that our state, I should say, it's been
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Speaker 3: a big story this week that one seven hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy people are planning to change their gender on their
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Speaker 3: New Southwell's birth certificate.
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Speaker 4: But what's been so controversial about.
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Speaker 3: This is just how easy it is to change your
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Speaker 3: gender seventy three dollars and you know a letter of
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Speaker 3: support or recommendation from a friend even so you would
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Speaker 3: toughen this up well.
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Speaker 12: When this legislation came before Parliament last year and it
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Speaker 12: was strongly supported by the Premier Chris Mins, we opposed
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Speaker 12: it and we were slammed for that. We said, we
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Speaker 12: don't believe this should be the case that your birth
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Speaker 12: certificate is a historical document. It's your sex, not your gender.
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Speaker 12: Your gender can be changed on your passport and your
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Speaker 12: driver's license and your Medicare card, and there are practical
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Speaker 12: reasons why that is fine, and that's enough to give
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Speaker 12: you enough points to get your super changed or anything else.
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Speaker 12: So why are we doing this it's not necessary. And
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Speaker 12: I'm very mindful of people who have gender dysphoria, who
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Speaker 12: are have mental health issues or have you know, don't
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Speaker 12: you know, want to live the life if they want
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Speaker 12: to live. I have no problem with that whatsoever. But
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Speaker 12: I think we've got to stop and see what makes sense.
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Speaker 12: And do we want our kids changing their sex on
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Speaker 12: their birth certificate, not just their identity documents, without their
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Speaker 12: parental consent? No, we do not, and I don't think
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Speaker 12: that should be a divisive debate. I think sense needs
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Speaker 12: to come into this. But we had that debate in Parliament.
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Speaker 6: We lost it. The Premiere has backed it in and
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Speaker 6: you know, I think it's a shame.
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Speaker 3: What about, more broadly, the issue of teenagers or even
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Speaker 3: children changing their gender, so putting the birth certificate aside?
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Speaker 4: Do you think.
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Speaker 3: There is a concern around this happening too quickly, too
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Speaker 3: easily without parental consent.
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Speaker 12: Look, parents in New South Wales do have to be
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Speaker 12: part of this process and there are a lot of
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Speaker 12: doctors looking at it. I'm really mindful of those young
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Speaker 12: people who are growing up in a very confusing world
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Speaker 12: who have the influence of online social media. I know cases,
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Speaker 12: I know parents have struggled with this. I've seen their
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Speaker 12: children who are going through self harm and I don't
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Speaker 12: want to see that. So I want to be very
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Speaker 12: sensitive about this, but I think it also means we've
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Speaker 12: got to look at what a how is this beginning
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Speaker 12: in the first place, What signals are we sending these
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Speaker 12: children and their families. I feel for their parents, a
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Speaker 12: lot of them really struggling with this. I don't want
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Speaker 12: to be making comments that makes their life worse. But
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Speaker 12: I also think we have a responsibility as legislators also
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Speaker 12: not to confuse people.
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Speaker 6: Even more fair enough.
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Speaker 3: Just another issue, Men's has softened the laws around driving
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Speaker 3: with medical cannabis or medical marijuana.
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Speaker 4: What's your view on that.
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Speaker 12: Okay, this is absolutely bonkers. This goes against all sensible evidence.
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Speaker 12: So they are changing laws in New South Wales to
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Speaker 12: have a three strikes before you're out when it comes
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Speaker 12: to having cannabis or THHC in your system.
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Speaker 4: Now, there are many.
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Speaker 12: People that legitimately need a medicinal cannabis that might be
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Speaker 12: helping them with their anxiety or their PDSD or even
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Speaker 12: cancer treatments. But we know that there is no safe
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Speaker 12: limit and there is there is no scientifically determined impairment measure.
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Speaker 12: At the moment, drug driving has overtaken drink driving is
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Speaker 12: the leading cause of death on our roads. A recent
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Speaker 12: survey by the government, and this has been covered up
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Speaker 12: by the Men's government. In New South Wales, it's their
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Speaker 12: own survey by the Department of Transport of five thousand
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Speaker 12: drivers shows that more than half are driving within six
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Speaker 12: hours of taking medicinal cannabis. These scripts are being handed
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Speaker 12: out like confetti online by online doctors. Three hundred thousand
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Speaker 12: people in New South Wales and now on this some
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Speaker 12: doing the right thing, many are not.
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Speaker 6: This is recreational drug use.
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Speaker 12: That's been been allowed and now we're saying get on
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Speaker 12: the roads and that's okay, and you can get caught once.
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Speaker 12: If you go get caught tow ice off you go
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Speaker 12: three times before you're out.
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Speaker 6: I tell you what, A kid that gets hit.
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Speaker 12: By a car exactly a drug driver does not get
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Speaker 12: three chances. We will do everything we can to stop this,
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Speaker 12: and if we don't have the numbers in Parliament we
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Speaker 12: will repeal this.
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Speaker 3: But that's what worries me that it will take an
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Speaker 3: accident in a school zone where children are killed on
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Speaker 3: a sidewalk, just doing the right thing as pedestrians before
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Speaker 3: these laws are reviewed.
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Speaker 12: So I've had parents standing up who've lost their kids
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Speaker 12: to drug and drink drivers, saying, please don't do this.
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Speaker 12: I've had the leading surgeons trauma specialist around major hospitals
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Speaker 12: standing up with me saying there will be body bags.
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Speaker 12: That's their wordsify It is terrifying. I do not understand
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Speaker 12: what this means labor government is doing. I do not
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Speaker 12: understand why they are doing it. This is the premiere
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Speaker 12: beholden to the left of his party and to this
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Speaker 12: union movement, the same union movement that wants to remove
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Speaker 12: our flag that talks about colonial oppression, this labor movement
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Speaker 12: that is trying to shut down and.
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Speaker 6: Sell off a military assets.
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Speaker 12: You know what, people are really finding it tough right now,
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Speaker 12: you know, to put a meal on their table, to
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Speaker 12: pay their rent, to pay the bills. And this is
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Speaker 12: what our government is trying to do at a time
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Speaker 12: when our driving tolls, a death tolls on our roads
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Speaker 12: are going up. So we just need to do what
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Speaker 12: people want. Our job is simple, right, there's bread and
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Speaker 12: butter stuff, build the roads, make sure you can get
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Speaker 12: into hospital. But let's not mess with all these social issues.
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Speaker 4: Kelly Sloan, great have you on the program. Thank thanks,
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Speaker 4: Harry Right.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's been massive interest in Pauline Hansen's friendship with
20:39
Speaker 3: billionaire Gina Reinhart from Labor and the media, but it
20:44
Speaker 3: turns out the Prime Minister Anthony Albinizi has also been
20:48
Speaker 3: cozying up to billionaires. This week, the Financial Review reports
20:52
Speaker 3: that he had a fundraising dinner on Monday night in
20:55
Speaker 3: Point Piper and Sydney, organized by Felix Lee, the son
20:59
Speaker 3: of a Chinese developer, and Lee had promised to donate
21:03
Speaker 3: about one million.
21:04
Speaker 4: Dollars, according to the report.
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Speaker 3: We'll joining me now to discuss is Sky News host
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Speaker 3: Joe hilde Brandon former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Krogo.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you both again, Michael. So this is
21:19
Speaker 3: after Labour has come out and criticized One Nation put
21:23
Speaker 3: questions about Pauline's relationship with Gina.
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Speaker 4: Is this a bit hypocritical.
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Speaker 5: It's not just hypocritical, it's embarrassing. I mean Gina Ryan
21:34
Speaker 5: Hart and I have declared previously I worked for Gina
21:38
Speaker 5: for quite some time, thirty one years ago. It's a
21:41
Speaker 5: matter of public records. She started with not much. She
21:43
Speaker 5: started with not much, she developed all those minds and
21:48
Speaker 5: entered into all those contracts to sell iron ore etc.
21:54
Speaker 5: She's a self made billionaire, and labor seemed to think
21:59
Speaker 5: this is something something wrong with this, whereas this person
22:03
Speaker 5: goes through dinner and donates a billion dollars, So we've
22:06
Speaker 5: got to attach Gina Reinhart, but not this person. I mean,
22:10
Speaker 5: this just inflames people. It adds to the one nation vote,
22:13
Speaker 5: It adds to this view that Albaneze is a complete hypocrite,
22:16
Speaker 5: that labor hypocrites. Everything's political for labor and nothing's consistent.
22:22
Speaker 5: So it damages labor a lot. And by the way,
22:25
Speaker 5: it just proves even more that there needs to be
22:27
Speaker 5: reformed to these donational as I've been on the record
22:30
Speaker 5: for ages are saying they should be complete public funding
22:32
Speaker 5: in this country to stop these types of dinners. But anyway,
22:36
Speaker 5: that's another issue.
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Speaker 3: It's an interesting thought, Joe, do you think this has
22:41
Speaker 3: become an unhealthy obsession with Pauline Hanson and Gina Yeah.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I suppose what they're trying to do is
22:48
Speaker 13: to make the case of Pauline Hanson is this sort
22:52
Speaker 13: of friend of the worker now that one nation is
22:54
Speaker 13: the most popular party among blue collar voters. To make
22:58
Speaker 13: the case that this is all just a fiction, it's
22:59
Speaker 13: a fan see. In fact, she's you know, swatting around it,
23:03
Speaker 13: you know, Italian fashion shows and wearing dolging Gabana or
23:07
Speaker 13: whatever it was, and hanging out with billionaires. I don't
23:09
Speaker 13: think those attacks really work. I don't think people have
23:13
Speaker 13: that kind of class envy in Australia. I think people
23:16
Speaker 13: struggling just want to know what's in it for me.
23:18
Speaker 13: What are you going to give me. I don't care
23:20
Speaker 13: if someone else is rich as long as I'm doing okay.
23:23
Speaker 13: So I don't think those attacks do work. And as
23:26
Speaker 13: I'm saying, they can also come back to bite you
23:28
Speaker 13: in the ass. But I think the fact of the
23:31
Speaker 13: matter is that both the Liberal Party and the Labor
23:34
Speaker 13: Party will always have these fundraisers. They will always be
23:37
Speaker 13: chasing dollars until there is electoral funding reform.
23:43
Speaker 3: I just spoke with Kelly Sloane about this, you know,
23:46
Speaker 3: the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union trying to pressure the government
23:51
Speaker 3: to remove the union jack from our flag. By the way,
23:53
Speaker 3: I thought her comments and particularly in that last times,
23:56
Speaker 3: were very strong Michael, you know, really really strong. But
24:00
Speaker 3: this flag issue, and in particular Clara O'Neill aren't able
24:04
Speaker 3: to say she supports the Australian flag. I mean, how
24:06
Speaker 3: simple can it get to say, yes, I support the
24:09
Speaker 3: flag of our country. How has the flag become such
24:13
Speaker 3: an embarrassment that a minister representing our country can't say
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Speaker 3: she supports it?
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Speaker 5: So I thought, labor against culture wars. This is what
24:24
Speaker 5: I'm saying. They keep falling into these embarrassing acts of
24:28
Speaker 5: hypocrisy and people just look at them and go, your
24:31
Speaker 5: people have lost the plot. I mean, we've got this
24:34
Speaker 5: union whose membership, by the way, has dropped from one
24:36
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy thousand to fifty five thousand over the
24:39
Speaker 5: last fifty years. So they're on their last legs now
24:43
Speaker 5: talking about wanting to change the flag. Well, under the Flagsact,
24:46
Speaker 5: you have to have a referendum, So let's have a referendum.
24:48
Speaker 5: Claire O'Neil and Elbow put it up to a referendum
24:51
Speaker 5: in this country to see whether the Stones want to
24:53
Speaker 5: change the flag. I'll tell you what the answer is.
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Speaker 9: No.
24:57
Speaker 5: That flag represents our British foundation and the Southern Cross
25:04
Speaker 5: is of deep historical significance to First Nations Australians because
25:09
Speaker 5: it represents sea and sky. It's a very traditional part
25:14
Speaker 5: of Aboriginal historical culture. No, there's no Aboriginal flag there.
25:18
Speaker 5: I understand that, but I think the flag represents the
25:21
Speaker 5: best of Australian traditions, past, present and future and recognizes
25:26
Speaker 5: our history. So if Labor want to put this up
25:28
Speaker 5: to a referendum, do it again, put the voice up
25:31
Speaker 5: at the same time, and whilst they're doing that, maybe
25:33
Speaker 5: put up an amendment to the Constitution Shari so that
25:37
Speaker 5: the government it's beyond doubt that the federal government has
25:40
Speaker 5: power to cancel or refuse passports for those people involved
25:43
Speaker 5: in terrorism.
25:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, if only, Joe.
25:48
Speaker 3: So this is all going to be a motion that's
25:50
Speaker 3: moved at the Labor conference that's taking place in Adelaide
25:54
Speaker 3: from tomorrow. There's also hardening of a proposal anyway to
25:59
Speaker 3: harden the Labor Party's language towards Israel and you know,
26:03
Speaker 3: remove some of the caveats about hamas and other elements
26:09
Speaker 3: of Palestinian territories. I mean, this is pretty shocking and
26:14
Speaker 3: it just takes you back. It takes me back anyway
26:17
Speaker 3: before the first election when the Albanese government came to
26:21
Speaker 3: power and Penny Wong promised the foreign policy platforms would
26:25
Speaker 3: be identical this. You know, this policy motion, if it
26:29
Speaker 3: goes through, will be the most massive departure to date.
26:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Look, I mean the first thing, obviously, is that labor
26:36
Speaker 13: policy and government policy when laborri is in government, are
26:39
Speaker 13: often two very different things. And labor governments have a
26:41
Speaker 13: long proud tradition of ignoring whatever it is that conference says,
26:45
Speaker 13: precisely because you get idiot, idiotic people from the left
26:48
Speaker 13: of the party putting forward these.
26:50
Speaker 3: I don't mean to interrupt you, but you do have
26:53
Speaker 3: Josh Burns, you know, helping to move this motion.
26:58
Speaker 4: On them.
26:58
Speaker 3: You can't separate yes of Israel on Israel. You can't
27:02
Speaker 3: separate the government from it.
27:04
Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: I suppose the government often just ignores whatever it is
27:07
Speaker 13: that conference does, but that doesn't mean that incredibly stupid
27:10
Speaker 13: and irrelevant and damaging motions don't get put up to conference.
27:14
Speaker 13: And if you go to the flag, wow, I mean,
27:17
Speaker 13: you've got a time, You've got a moment. This is
27:18
Speaker 13: the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union is supposed to represent blue
27:21
Speaker 13: collar workers, the exact same blue collar workers who are
27:25
Speaker 13: deserting labor for one nation in droves. One of the
27:28
Speaker 13: reasons they are doing that is because they sense that
27:31
Speaker 13: the left is no longer patriotic and the left is
27:34
Speaker 13: obsessed by, as you say, culture war issues that do
27:37
Speaker 13: not put more food on their table and do not
27:39
Speaker 13: help them pay the rent. And the idea that the AMWU,
27:42
Speaker 13: which has produced more than its fair share of morons
27:45
Speaker 13: in recent history, would decide this is the moment whether
27:49
Speaker 13: even if you thought with all your heart that the
27:51
Speaker 13: Australian flag with an abomination that needs to be turned
27:53
Speaker 13: torn down, the idea that you would pick now when
27:57
Speaker 13: one nation is rising by stealing labor bluecos voters, you
28:01
Speaker 13: would decide this is the moment to say we should
28:03
Speaker 13: get rid of the flag or remove the Union. Jack
28:06
Speaker 13: is an act of the biggest amount of self harm
28:09
Speaker 13: that suggests almost some kind of mental incapacity. These people
28:13
Speaker 13: are absolute card carrying morons. It is the stupidest thing
28:17
Speaker 13: I've ever seen.
28:19
Speaker 3: Okay, even though this has had this whole issue of
28:21
Speaker 3: Barnaby Dracey yelling at his dog, it's had far too
28:24
Speaker 3: much attention in the news cycle, but he did respond
28:27
Speaker 3: to it today so have a look.
28:30
Speaker 14: I'm up against the lefties on the ABC and the media.
28:33
Speaker 14: Chin music's going pretty well, and I can't really hear
28:36
Speaker 14: the questions and I can't eat him myself think, And
28:39
Speaker 14: it's farm dog, so I gave it the farm dog
28:42
Speaker 14: instruction to do you mind stell it being a little
28:44
Speaker 14: bit quiet till I finished this interview. I love you, Darling,
28:48
Speaker 14: your beautiful dog, but she loves me. She loved me afterwards.
28:53
Speaker 4: Very funny, Michael.
28:54
Speaker 3: But meanwhile, the animal rights grew Peter did come out
28:57
Speaker 3: today and they said that Barnaby Drace has never been
29:00
Speaker 3: a friend to sheep.
29:01
Speaker 4: Cows or crocodiles.
29:02
Speaker 3: Now it's clear that not even his own dog is
29:04
Speaker 3: spaed his hostility. Animals deserve patience, kindness, and respect, and
29:08
Speaker 3: if Joey's can't offer that, he shouldn't have them.
29:11
Speaker 4: Michael, what do you think?
29:14
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. I think. I'm too old to
29:15
Speaker 5: respond to ramblings of organizations like Peter. They're on the
29:21
Speaker 5: list of organizations that it's not worth spending any time on.
29:24
Speaker 5: I don't think that did Barnaby Jowyce any trouble at all,
29:28
Speaker 5: any problems at all. I think people looked at that.
29:30
Speaker 5: They laughed. Here's a guy on his farm with a dog.
29:34
Speaker 5: The dog's barking in the background, not picked up in
29:36
Speaker 5: the microphone. Phone's very sensitive to. Of course, the microphone
29:40
Speaker 5: is very sensitive to, just as we know to the
29:43
Speaker 5: to the sounds close to it. The dog's barking, he
29:45
Speaker 5: tells it to shut up. On national television. I think
29:47
Speaker 5: most people thought it funny. Everyone in the country that
29:49
Speaker 5: I've spoken to, in the country areas, non city areas
29:53
Speaker 5: who've got dogs, have been through similar experiences with their dogs.
29:57
Speaker 5: Not on national television, but they've tried to tell the
29:59
Speaker 5: dog to shut up in various ways. That's just rural
30:05
Speaker 5: Australia and farm dogs. And of course the ABC. The response,
30:10
Speaker 5: of course was to say answer the question, and Joyce
30:13
Speaker 5: quite properly said, listen, you don't be like that to me.
30:17
Speaker 5: Here's a guy on a working farm. So do I
30:19
Speaker 5: think it did him any damage?
30:21
Speaker 6: No.
30:21
Speaker 5: Just to take Joe's point, I think he's right. These
30:24
Speaker 5: sort of moronic complaints from the inner city at about
30:27
Speaker 5: the farm dog, about about the you know, the flag.
30:31
Speaker 5: These these people are completely out of touch with reality.
30:34
Speaker 5: This is why the one nation vote is so high.
30:36
Speaker 5: Now we're bringing back ISIS brides. We're about to bring
30:38
Speaker 5: another ISIS fighter back to Australia. We've got three thousand
30:41
Speaker 5: refugees from Garza. How many of them have returned home?
30:45
Speaker 5: Et cetera, et cetera. People just think the country has
30:47
Speaker 5: lost its way. That's why seventy percent of the country
30:50
Speaker 5: think Australia is going in the wrong direction. You add
30:52
Speaker 5: all these things up, we've got to have a Royal
30:54
Speaker 5: commissioner to andy seventy is. We're here about young kids
30:56
Speaker 5: frightened to show the fact that they're Jewish. We've had
30:59
Speaker 5: a on the streets in the Meska, in the streets
31:01
Speaker 5: of Bondi. How well is the country going? Shari country?
31:05
Speaker 13: Go?
31:06
Speaker 3: Put it all together like that, And because we're in
31:08
Speaker 3: the news, we follow every single thing very closely and
31:11
Speaker 3: the government's response to it and what they're actually doing.
31:13
Speaker 4: And that's why I actually.
31:14
Speaker 3: Don't understand why the Albanezi government is sitting on thirty
31:18
Speaker 3: percent primary a massacre in Bondy, of gutting down of families,
31:24
Speaker 3: the economy.
31:25
Speaker 4: How who's where's this thirty percent that think they're.
31:27
Speaker 3: Doing a great job beyond me? All right, Michael Kroger,
31:31
Speaker 3: Joe Hildebrand, thank you so much. Still to come Mam
31:36
Speaker 3: Danny's latest unhinged spray at Israel. Plus why the Albanezi
31:40
Speaker 3: government won't ban doctor g Had from returning to Australia.
31:44
Speaker 4: Jon o'dunniam is here next, welcome back.
31:50
Speaker 3: Well, let's get more in this story about the Perth
31:52
Speaker 3: born pediatrician turned isis operative who was thought to have
31:57
Speaker 3: been dead for nearly a decade. Well, the albanezim and
32:00
Speaker 3: is refusing to say that he won't come home. And
32:03
Speaker 3: here was Murray Watt today when he was asked about
32:06
Speaker 3: this doctor g Had.
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Speaker 12: We won't be providing any assistance to this individual or
32:12
Speaker 12: that cohort, just as we haven't provided assistance to women
32:15
Speaker 12: and children who've returned recently.
32:18
Speaker 3: And Johnny minow is Shadow Minister for Home Affairs and Immigration.
32:21
Speaker 3: Jonathan duniam, John, good to see you again. Tarik kum
32:25
Speaker 3: Lat is reportedly alive. He's inside of Baghdad prison unsurprisingly
32:31
Speaker 3: wants to return to Australia.
32:33
Speaker 4: Should he be allowed to return.
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Speaker 15: Here, definitely not, Sherry, He should definitely not be allowed
32:40
Speaker 15: to return to Australia. He chose to go and join
32:43
Speaker 15: isis the death cult that we know it is. He
32:46
Speaker 15: chose to go and practice medicine to support us as fighters,
32:49
Speaker 15: to heal their wounds and allow them to keep doing
32:52
Speaker 15: what they were doing, which was fighting against us. So
32:55
Speaker 15: now there is no way on God's green if this
32:57
Speaker 15: man should be allowed to return to Australia. Yet, listening
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Speaker 15: to Murray, what's saying, We'll provide no assistance to doctor
33:04
Speaker 15: g had here to return to Australia, just like we
33:08
Speaker 15: didn't help or provide assistance to the so called Isis brides. Well,
33:12
Speaker 15: they helped them. They gave them passports, they shepherded them
33:15
Speaker 15: through the airport, they put them up in hotels, they
33:17
Speaker 15: bought them pizza. And now your viewers are paying two
33:20
Speaker 15: million dollars a year per Isis bride to monitor them
33:24
Speaker 15: out in the community. And goodness knows what this they bring.
33:28
Speaker 15: So this man should not be allowed in. And I
33:30
Speaker 15: say to the government, we are ready to work with
33:33
Speaker 15: you to strengthen the laws. You have the powers that
33:35
Speaker 15: you have to prevent this individual individual from coming back
33:39
Speaker 15: to Australia.
33:40
Speaker 3: So there seems to be this line that if he
33:44
Speaker 3: was not a combatant, he may be freed. I mean,
33:47
Speaker 3: if he wasn't a combatant, and you know, we don't
33:50
Speaker 3: know the ins and outs, but would that, in your
33:52
Speaker 3: mind be a good enough reason to allow him to
33:54
Speaker 3: come to Australia.
33:56
Speaker 15: No, No, definitely not. Like my view on the Isis brides,
34:00
Speaker 15: these were women who joined their ARSIS fighter husbands in
34:06
Speaker 15: declared terror hotspot. My viewers, they shouldn't come back now.
34:09
Speaker 15: They were not out wielding weapons, they were indoctrinating their
34:12
Speaker 15: children and doing all sorts of other insidious things like
34:15
Speaker 15: enslaving ethnic and religious minorities for their own servitude. I
34:20
Speaker 15: definitely don't think a man who he wasn't just a
34:23
Speaker 15: doctor there and he may not have been a combatant,
34:25
Speaker 15: but your programmers aired footage of this man being the
34:29
Speaker 15: propaganda mouthpiece for espousing hateful, evil words. I'm sorry, a
34:35
Speaker 15: man like that has no place in our country. And
34:37
Speaker 15: the only reason he's coming back is because he wants
34:40
Speaker 15: to take advantage of our rule of law, the presumption
34:43
Speaker 15: of innocence until proven guilty, something he turned his back
34:46
Speaker 15: on when he went to Syria in the first place.
34:49
Speaker 15: So I say to Tony Burke to the Labor government
34:51
Speaker 15: work with us and we'll find a way to stop
34:54
Speaker 15: this man from coming back.
34:55
Speaker 3: Look, I know you've spoken about temporary exclusion orders, the
34:58
Speaker 3: Passport Act, new legislation that would bound third parties from
35:04
Speaker 3: assisting these people. But do you think there are other
35:08
Speaker 3: tougher laws needed to directly stop someone like this coming
35:13
Speaker 3: back to Australia.
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Speaker 15: Well, I think we have to be novel about this.
35:17
Speaker 15: I mean, the temporary Exclusion order regime was put in
35:21
Speaker 15: place after we had that situation, when the Isis Caliphate
35:25
Speaker 15: was in full force and when the Coalition government was
35:28
Speaker 15: in power. We realized something needed to change, and so
35:31
Speaker 15: the TEO regime was put in place along with the
35:34
Speaker 15: control order regime. So they are two approaches, but we
35:37
Speaker 15: should be thinking outside the square here. Obviously we have
35:40
Speaker 15: a constitution which gives citizens a right to return to
35:44
Speaker 15: our country. Well, that does present a challenge. Let's look
35:47
Speaker 15: at ways to work around that. I mean, these are
35:50
Speaker 15: people who have, to my mind, committed a treason US Act.
35:54
Speaker 15: You are fighting against what we believe in as a country.
35:57
Speaker 15: We've just gone through as your last mentioned, you know
36:00
Speaker 15: the Bonda massacre. Bringing a bloke like that back into
36:04
Speaker 15: Australia is not going to help social cohesion. It's not
36:07
Speaker 15: going to help battle anti Semitism. It's going to make
36:10
Speaker 15: it worse. So we've got to find ways to deal
36:12
Speaker 15: with that. And I'll tell you what, I'd be happy
36:15
Speaker 15: to support the government in examining every which way we
36:17
Speaker 15: can to prevent this person.
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Speaker 1: From coming back.
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Speaker 4: I just want to very quickly ask you.
36:22
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the ministers say they'll face the
36:24
Speaker 3: full force of the law in Australia, but then we've
36:27
Speaker 3: seen there are weak magistrates who give bail two people
36:32
Speaker 3: like this.
36:34
Speaker 15: Yeah, and of course the police said we'd like to
36:36
Speaker 15: keep this person in custody. And then of course it
36:40
Speaker 15: was also said that the remand period before this individual's
36:44
Speaker 15: this issis briety you're talking about case was heard might
36:47
Speaker 15: be longer than the actual sentence of imprisonment they received
36:51
Speaker 15: might be. I mean that astoundings. Again, our laws are weak.
36:55
Speaker 15: And of course the one isis Bride that returned in
36:58
Speaker 15: the previous cohort. When we talk talk about full force
37:01
Speaker 15: of the law, this was a person who was slapped
37:03
Speaker 15: with the good behavior bond. So if you can go
37:05
Speaker 15: and join Anasi's death cult and the slapped of the
37:09
Speaker 15: good behavior bond. We do need to reform our law.
37:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's not good enough, just very quickly.
37:14
Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen has made the headlines face some controversy for
37:19
Speaker 3: her comments on domestic violence today.
37:21
Speaker 4: Here's what she had to say.
37:23
Speaker 5: What's your message, Pauline Hanson to blugs.
37:26
Speaker 15: Who lose their bottle, who get angry and bash and
37:30
Speaker 15: hurt their intimate partners.
37:32
Speaker 1: Well, it is wrong, but it's also a two way street.
37:38
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying that just men and women can
37:42
Speaker 1: lose their cruel as well. Domestic violence is a scourge,
37:46
Speaker 1: but sometimes Look, I'm not going to go in detail,
37:51
Speaker 1: but I've been through it myself in my life.
37:54
Speaker 3: So she is a victim. She's under fire for those
37:57
Speaker 3: comments though, that it's a two way street. Do you
38:00
Speaker 3: think that was insensitive to say that?
38:03
Speaker 15: No, I honestly think it was just a poorly constructed sentence.
38:06
Speaker 1: Frankly.
38:07
Speaker 15: I mean she's making a point there. She's not disputing
38:09
Speaker 15: the fact that there are statistics that bear out some
38:12
Speaker 15: of the things that advocates to reduce domestic violence in
38:16
Speaker 15: our community point too. She is saying there are things
38:19
Speaker 15: that often get lost in the debate. She did make
38:22
Speaker 15: the point that I think all Australians agree with, which
38:24
Speaker 15: is we need to stamp it out. And so there's
38:27
Speaker 15: a group of people out there who'd love to smash
38:29
Speaker 15: poor Land.
38:30
Speaker 4: So just to be clear, So what do you think
38:32
Speaker 4: she was trying to say.
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Speaker 15: I think she was saying that, of course, you can
38:36
Speaker 15: just point at men and say it's all your fault
38:38
Speaker 15: and there's nothing else that should be done except blaming
38:40
Speaker 15: men and that sort of thing. I think she was
38:42
Speaker 15: trying to make the case that there are men who
38:44
Speaker 15: are victims as well, but in a barely poorly constructed way.
38:47
Speaker 15: Now I identify with victim survivors. There are many people
38:51
Speaker 15: in our community that do. And it's not just an
38:54
Speaker 15: adult thing. There are children who are victims of physical
38:56
Speaker 15: and sexual violence and assault. There are elderly people, of course,
39:00
Speaker 15: who are victims in the same way, and so we
39:03
Speaker 15: do need to be sensitive in how we talk about
39:05
Speaker 15: these things. The most important thing I took out of
39:07
Speaker 15: what Pauline said there was it is a scourge and
39:10
Speaker 15: it needs to be stamped out. And a lot of
39:12
Speaker 15: the programs that government's roll out don't do anything in
39:14
Speaker 15: particular situation.
39:16
Speaker 4: More often, though, I've really got to go, but more
39:18
Speaker 4: often they're not.
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Speaker 3: Though it is women who are the victims because they're
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Speaker 3: physically at a disadvantage and they're physically less strong and
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Speaker 3: men are naturally I want to get in trouble here,
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Speaker 3: but the figures show men are mostly the perpetrators.
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Speaker 15: You can't argue with those statistics. They are the facts.
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Speaker 15: That is reality, and I think Pauline and One Nation
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Speaker 15: have been at pains to try and point out that
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Speaker 15: is not the entire picture, but it is the majority.
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Speaker 15: I won't argue against those stats, I knowly say are fact.
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Speaker 15: So regardless of the perpetrators and the victims, the victims
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Speaker 15: we need to look after and in order to do that,
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Speaker 15: we need to stamp it out whoever the perpetrators are,
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Speaker 15: and in most cases it is mean. I agree.
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Speaker 3: All right, Jena Dunny, and thank you very much for
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Speaker 3: your time. Now coming up, Jonathan Conricus joins me to
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Speaker 3: speak about the Nutty Mamdani and the Iran War. Plus
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Speaker 3: the highly respected Bill Kelty launches a scathing attack against
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Speaker 3: high government spending.
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Speaker 4: That's next.
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Speaker 3: Well, the highly respected former ACTU boss Bill Kelty has
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Speaker 3: unleashed on the poor handling of our economy in a
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Speaker 3: submission to a federal inquiry, Kelty said that our taxes
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Speaker 3: are increasing, government expenditure is rising faster than prices.
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Speaker 4: It does say something is wrong with this place.
40:38
Speaker 3: Now, Kilty was very close to Bob Hawk, as you know,
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Speaker 3: and he was his partner in economic reform, which is
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Speaker 3: what makes these comments so significant. And joining me to
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Speaker 3: discuss now is economist Warren Hogan. Warren, thanks for your time. Look,
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Speaker 3: given his background, shouldn't the Albertezy government heed his urgent advice.
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Speaker 16: Well, they certainly should, but I don't think they've been
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Speaker 16: thinking in the terms of the Hawk Keating era, of
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Speaker 16: which Bill Kelty was very much at the center for
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Speaker 16: really at all. In this term of government. Kelty is
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Speaker 16: acknowledging there's some mystery out there about the functioning of
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Speaker 16: our economy. I think it's related to the demographic shift.
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Speaker 16: But he's pointing to the right issue. And at the
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Speaker 16: heart of this is a government that is spending at
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Speaker 16: a rate that is faster than our economy can take,
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Speaker 16: and that is creating inflation, and of course, most importantly,
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Speaker 16: it is squeezing out the private sector. We now have
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Speaker 16: factual evidence there's no mystery to this that our economy
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Speaker 16: can only grow at two percent, which is a.
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Speaker 13: Lot less than the past.
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Speaker 16: And of course governments of Australia federal state are all
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Speaker 16: planning to spend over three percent this year and that
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Speaker 16: leaves less than one percent for the rest of us
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Speaker 16: if we don't want inflation, and of course they've changed
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Speaker 16: the RBA's mandate make it hard for them to fight
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Speaker 16: that inflation. So that's why we are where we are.
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Speaker 16: And it's great that he's pointing it out.
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Speaker 3: Well, and as if to prove his point, Australia is
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Speaker 3: now heading for its weakest decade of living standards growth
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Speaker 3: in more than a century. So you know, this is
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Speaker 3: the long term impact and it doesn't look like our
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Speaker 3: economy at the moment anyway, and there's something dramatically changes
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Speaker 3: is going to improve.
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Speaker 16: Well, that's right, And you know economists can often predict
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Speaker 16: bad things ahead and some dire prognosis, but it's happening now.
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Speaker 16: This is what is happening now. We don't have to
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Speaker 16: have a crisis. We can see it as a crisis
42:42
Speaker 16: of living standards. But it's the slow boiling frog gradual deterioration.
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Speaker 16: But more importantly is it will end up in a
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Speaker 16: crisis because it's unsustainable. We can't keep going like this.
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Speaker 16: Of course, you can't contrast two characters more than phill
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Speaker 16: Low and Bill Kelty, but both men have a great
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Speaker 16: effect for our economy.
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Speaker 3: Well, and phil Low, I mean you mentioned him, Well
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Speaker 3: he just a few days ago, wand that rates interest
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Speaker 3: rates will stay high for a long time to come.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's coming out quite a frequent rate now
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Speaker 3: and sounding urgent warnings about the economy. But do you
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Speaker 3: agree with him on that point about the interest rates?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, Well, I think the point is is that this
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Speaker 16: is actually the new normal. So everyone seems to think
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Speaker 16: that interest rates are going to fall from here, and
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Speaker 16: they may fall a bit at some stage, but this
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Speaker 16: is your average level of interest rates, and that means
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Speaker 16: they're probably going to go above five at some stage.
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Speaker 16: They may only go down to about three at best.
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Speaker 16: And of course, if they keep running the economy like this,
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Speaker 16: with governments running this economy on its red line, the
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Speaker 16: engine's going to blow and the interest rates might have
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Speaker 16: to go up to six or seven, which is going
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Speaker 16: to be the equivalent in the twenty twenties of what
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Speaker 16: happened in the nineteen eighties. It'll be a disaster.
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Speaker 4: Look, just quickly.
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Speaker 3: We are set to see employment figures due tomorrow. So
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Speaker 3: unemployment is currently sitting around four point four percent. Are
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Speaker 3: you expecting it to rise tomorrow?
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Speaker 16: Look, it's a volatile series. The fact of the matter
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Speaker 16: is is that unemployment is at an incredibly low level
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Speaker 16: by any standard of the last fifty years. And we
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Speaker 16: should stop worrying about unemployment going up and start focusing
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Speaker 16: on getting the cost of living down because poll after poll's,
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Speaker 16: survey after survey shows that that's the problem. But tomorrow,
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Speaker 16: I'd expected to show more of the same, that we're
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Speaker 16: going to get jobs created and unemployment steady. And of
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Speaker 16: course that's the issue, is that we're running short of workers,
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Speaker 16: and that's the difference between now and what we've experienced
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Speaker 16: in the last fifty years.
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Speaker 3: All right, Warren Hogan, thank you very much for your insights.
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Speaker 3: It's very worrying though the situation of our economy. Not
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Speaker 3: enough attention is being patriot. I mean, you think there
44:48
Speaker 3: was more attention on Barnaby Barnaby Joyce's dog barking yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Than our economy.
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Speaker 3: All right, after the break New York Mayor's around Mamdani
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Speaker 3: has realized he's not as pow for as he thinks
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Speaker 3: he is. He can't arrest the Israeli Prime Minister, but
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Speaker 3: he's still coming after him. Jonathan Conricus would join me
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Speaker 3: life when New York Mayor Zoraan Mamdani is trying his
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Speaker 3: hardest to demonize Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nette Yahoo. He
45:19
Speaker 3: has finally admitted, though, that he doesn't have the power
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Speaker 3: to arrest him when he visits New York shortly, but
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Speaker 3: he did continue his tirade in a fresh video posted
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Speaker 3: to social media.
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Speaker 2: Benjamin Nettnia, who is a war criminal, the architect of
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Speaker 2: a horrific genocide against the Palestine people. He is responsible
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Speaker 2: for the killing of more than seventy three thousand people,
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Speaker 2: for the maiming of tens of thousands of children, as
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Speaker 2: those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia. As I've said,
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Speaker 2: I agree with the ICC the Benjamin Nettna, who should
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Speaker 2: be arrested and tried for his crimes, as I do
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Speaker 2: for anyone else charged by the ICC. My administration has
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Speaker 2: reviewed every avenue available under applicable law to determine whether
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Speaker 2: New York City could execute the International Criminal Court's arrest
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Speaker 2: warrant if Benjamin Nettnia who came here. It is clear
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Speaker 2: that we do not have the independent legal authority to
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Speaker 2: enforce this want.
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Speaker 3: These are dangerous lies and given his obsession and only
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Speaker 3: focus on Israel, in my view, that's anti Zionism at
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Speaker 3: its core, and it's anti Semitic.
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Speaker 4: We're joining me now, is.
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Speaker 3: Senior fellow at FDD and former IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricus. Jonathan,
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Speaker 3: what do you think of Mamdani's comments and his attempts
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Speaker 3: to arrest Biby?
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Speaker 17: First of all, they're based on lies and allegations. For
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Speaker 17: those who haven't watched and are not aware, the man
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Speaker 17: who issued these indictments, the prosecutor, Karim Khan, has been
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Speaker 17: eliminated from his post. He's been sacked on accounts of
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Speaker 17: sexual misconduct, basically having sex with one of his subordinates
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Speaker 17: against her will, and those allegations were coming up pretty
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Speaker 17: close to when he made the fatal decision to indict
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Speaker 17: and to use this terrible power that he had at
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Speaker 17: his hands and to accuse the Israeli Prime Minister of
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Speaker 17: these horrible crimes, which of course are categorically false. And
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Speaker 17: you know Mamdani.
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Speaker 1: I just checked.
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Speaker 17: I think it's thirty two million views and it hasn't
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Speaker 17: even been twelve hours since he posted that video, So
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Speaker 17: good luck for him. And I regret the fact that,
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Speaker 17: you know, he did this movie looking statesmanlike and with
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Speaker 17: the setting in the American flag. What an abuse of authority?
47:45
Speaker 17: What an abuse of power? Talk about a person, a
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Speaker 17: small Megalomanian Islamist stepping out of line and stepping out
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Speaker 17: of bounds. But hey, it's working. I mean, media is
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Speaker 17: giving him a lot of oxygen and he's getting a
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Speaker 17: lot of attention for it. Is promoting anti Israeli slander,
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Speaker 17: he is promoting any inciting violence against Jews, and that
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Speaker 17: I think is a very important point because I don't
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Speaker 17: think at this stage anybody could claim that continuing with
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Speaker 17: the false blood libels against the State of Israel, its leaders,
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Speaker 17: and its military doesn't carry on into real life, doesn't
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Speaker 17: mean that Jews are targeted.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we've seen so much of that in New
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Speaker 3: York already, even before his time though. But I just
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Speaker 3: want to pick up on how you said he was
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Speaker 3: looking quite presidential. I mean, it's lucky that he can't
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Speaker 3: run for the presidency, seeing as he.
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Speaker 4: Was foreign born.
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Speaker 3: But this is a sign of where the Democratic Party
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Speaker 3: is right now.
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Speaker 4: How that should worry all of us in the West.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 17: I mean, we saw the latest Democratic primaries and we've
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Speaker 17: seen socialists and Islamists and radicals achievement positions in the
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Speaker 17: Democratic Party, and I definitely think that they have a problem.
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Speaker 17: And from my perspective as someone who cares mostly about
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Speaker 17: Israel and the Jewish people, that is also interchanged with
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Speaker 17: anti Semitism. And basically what they're doing these people is
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Speaker 17: using Israel as a campaign slogan, using Israel and using
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Speaker 17: Palestinians as something as a tool for their own self promotion.
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Speaker 17: They're very hollow people. Mamdani is a very hollow, self serving,
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Speaker 17: dishonest person. He is probably a good communicator, but there's
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Speaker 17: nothing beneath it. He's full of nonsense and he's just
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Speaker 17: using and exasperating tensions for his political favor. This specific
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Speaker 17: little shtick he's pulling as probably his most successful example.
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Speaker 17: But I'm sure that he won't rest there until he stopped.
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Speaker 17: He'll continue to abuse the power that he has.
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Speaker 3: We don't have enough time left in the program, but
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Speaker 3: I really wanted to ask you about where you think
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Speaker 3: the Iran war is heading. Maybe you can give assisting
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Speaker 3: to answer in thirty seconds.
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Speaker 17: I think the Iranian regime is suffering, it is desperate,
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Speaker 17: it is losing on the battlefield, and I'm happy to
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Speaker 17: see that the Americans are applying more pressure on the
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Speaker 17: regime and I'm waiting to see the brave, smart and
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Speaker 17: freedom loving Iranian people finally take back their country. And
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Speaker 17: I think we're getting closer to that reality.
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Speaker 3: Well said Jonathan Conricus. We'll do more, we'll have more
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Speaker 3: time next time. Thank you very much for joining me
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Speaker 3: on the show. And just a quick shout out to
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Speaker 3: Chris Kenny, who did an extraordinary editorial on Ma'm Danny.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to share it, but look it up, find it,
50:39
Speaker 3: go back on your foxtail or sky app and watch it.
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Speaker 4: All right, that's it for me. He's Paul Maray.