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Ex-Boyfriend Plotted Hollywood Therapist’s Murder · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: All right, so get this send in some material on
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  this Amy Harway case. And let me tell you this
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  one's a doozy. Yeah, we're talking Hollywood Valentine's Day, a
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  mysterious death.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it was going to be good.
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  Speaker 1: It's got all the makings of a true crime thriller.
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  Speaker 2: But this is real life, you know, right, and it's tragic.
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  Speaker 1: Amy Harwick. She was a successful sex therapist out in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: Not your typical everyday.
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  Speaker 1: Job, No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: And then she's found dead under her balcony on Valentine's
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  Day twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about a day that's supposed to be all
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  about love.
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  Speaker 2: It's just awful. Right from the start, investigators were puzzled
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  by the scene. Really yeah. You had signs of a struggle,
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  defensive wounds, right okay, and the balcony door was broken,
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  so somebody forced their way in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so scared.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's this detail scattered beads from a crucifix
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  necklace found near her body.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, Okay, that's creepy, right.
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  Speaker 2: It just adds this whole other layer of unsettling to
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  the scene for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember reading about a syringe.
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  Speaker 2: Too, Oh yeah, filled with some unknown liquid found right
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  there on the balcony.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what is going on here? It sounds like something
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  out of a movie.
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  Speaker 2: It does, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 1: But this wasn't fiction, sadly not. This was Amy's life.
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  And as police started digging, they realized this was no
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  random act.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: It was definitely not random.
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  Speaker 2: All signs pointed to someone from Amy's past.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so who are we talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the investigation led them to Gareth purse House.
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  Speaker 1: Gareth perce House.
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  Speaker 2: Amy's ex boyfriend. Oh, they dated back in the late
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  two thousands for a few years. But their relationship yeah,
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  not good, not good. How so, Well, purse House was
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  a nightlife photographer, Okay, and from what people said, yeah,
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  there were signs, red flags.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of red flags?
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  Speaker 2: Well, friends described.
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  Speaker 1: Him as possessive, possessive okay.
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  Speaker 2: Always needed to know where Amy was, Oh, which she
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  was doing? Yeah, who she was with? Constantly checking your phone?
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  Oh the classic. Yeah, you know, not good signs.
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  Speaker 1: No, not good at all. You can just old at
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  tension building already.
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  Speaker 2: And tragically, yeah, it escalated. In twenty eleven, Amy filed
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  a police report, a police report, yeah, detailing the abuse
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  physical abuse. Oh no, it was bad.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean bad? What happened?
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  Speaker 2: Joking? Suffocating, kicking, punching. She even said he slammed her
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  head into the ground.
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  Speaker 1: That's horrible. I can't believe someone would do that.
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  Speaker 2: It's tough to even hear about.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 2: So of course Amy got a restraining order.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense, but did it.
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  Speaker 2: Work well, it didn't stop him. Wait, what do you
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  mean a little while after the restraining order. Yeah, Amy's
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  apartment was broken into and vandalized.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Her laptop was wiped clean.
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  Speaker 1: So it was targeted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt very deliberate, definitely. It's terrifying. Amy suspected
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  purse House, but there wasn't enough evidence to link him directly,
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  but still scary, right. It just adds to that whole
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  unsettling pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to think, even with legal protection, her sense of
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  safety was gone.
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  Speaker 2: It's like he was trying to control her, even from
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  a distance.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's just awful. It makes everything that happened even
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  more tragic.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But let's fast forward a bit. Okay, years past,
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  Amy Gareth hadn't seen each.
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  Speaker 1: Other for a while, so they'd moved on with their
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  lives you.
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  Speaker 2: Think so right? Yeah, but then about a month before
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  Amy's death, Oh, they had this chance encounter where at
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  the ex Biz Awards. Okay, Gareth was there. He was
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  working as a red carpet photographer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, so awkward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when he saw Amy, he just lost it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean lost it?
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  Speaker 2: He started yelling at her, blaming her for ruining his life.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, after all those years.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's like all that time hadn't passed it all.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about holding a grudge.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, it's like she was still the villain in his story.
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  Speaker 1: That's messed up.
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  Speaker 2: And then after the awards show. Yeah, he started contacting
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  her again relentlessly.
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  Speaker 1: But didn't she change her numbers?
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  Speaker 2: She did? Yeah, So how he found away that's scary determined.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she ended up blocking him again, smart move
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  out of fear. So do you think that set him off?
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  Speaker 2: Investigators believe it was the final straw.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, the thing that pushed him over the edge.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about what happened that night. What
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  do they think happened.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the detective on the case, okay, Scott Masterson, LAPD homicide. Yeah,
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  he put together a timeline. Okay, remember it was Valentine's Day.
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  Amy had been out with friends. Her roommate Michael Harmon,
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  remembers her coming home that night. Later, he was woken
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  up by this sound.
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  Speaker 1: What sound?
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  Speaker 2: He thought it was a dish falling around nine pm.
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  Speaker 1: Just a random sound.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. That sound turned out to be Gareth breaking into
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  the house. Oh no, seriously, they found blood near the
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  broken glass of the front door.
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  Speaker 1: So he was already inside while she was out with friends.
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  Speaker 2: Seems that way. And get this security camera footage from
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  a neighbor. Yeah, a man matching Garret's build sneaking around
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  Amy's house.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, so he was being sneaky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he even moved the camera at one point.
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  Speaker 1: So he knew it was there.
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  Speaker 2: He was, he was familiar with the area.
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  Speaker 1: So much for being discreet, right.
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  Speaker 2: This all suggests premeditation.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely a plan. He didn't just snap. He thought this through.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't impulsive.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so he's inside while she's at dinner than what?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Harmon, the roommate, he woke up again around one am, okay,
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  to Amy screaming, Oh god, he rushed out to get help. Yeah,
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  and that's when the same figure was seen climbing over
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  the fence running away.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, he was lying in Wait, it looks like it,
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  maybe even in her bed.
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  Speaker 2: The timeline suggests that's possible.
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  Speaker 1: That is so creepy. This guy so full of rage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he wanted revenge.
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  Speaker 1: But what about that syringe?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the syringe?
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  Speaker 1: What was the deal with that?
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  Speaker 2: Remember it was filled with liquid nicotine right right, which
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  in high doses can be deadly and hard to detect.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly like, it wouldn't necessarily show up on a standard
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  toxicology screen. And didn't they find a similar syringe at
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  his place?
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  Speaker 2: They did so.
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  Speaker 1: At first they thought he was trying to poison her.
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  That was the theory, to make it look like an
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  accident or.
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  Speaker 2: A natural death.
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  Speaker 1: Sneaky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like a solid theory.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it does make sense.
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  Speaker 2: He injects her, nobody suspects a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But there's a twist, Oh, a twist. I love twists.
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  Speaker 2: The autopsy showed that Amy hadn't been injected with any
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  poison at all.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, what no poison? So then what was the syringe
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  doing there?
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  Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question?
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  Speaker 1: So he didn't inject her?
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  Speaker 2: Nope?
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  Speaker 1: But the syringe was still there.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, I'm so confused. Well, detectives now think that Gareth's
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  plan to inject amy somehow went wrong, okay, and he
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  just snapped.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So it wasn't a calculated poisoning. It was a
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  brutal attack it seems that way, fueled by rage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, rage and maybe panic.
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  Speaker 1: And the scene inside definitely supports that. So well the
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  scattered bees we talked about earlier. The necklace was ripped
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  from her neck. Oh wow, that indicates a struggle, a.
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  Speaker 2: Violent one, it does, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 1: And there was evidence she had been choked.
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  Speaker 2: So he choked her and then threw.
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  Speaker 1: Her from the balcony. Awful, just awful, This poor woman
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  trying to live her life and he just couldn't let go,
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  and on Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 1: So what about those scratches.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean the ones on Gareth?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones on his neck and arms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were consistent with the struggle. So she fought back,
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  it seems like it.
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  Speaker 1: And there was that bruise too on his bicep. Yeah,
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  that looked like a bite mark, right, So they had
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  the timeline, the forensic evidence, even signs of a struggle
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  on Gareth himself. What happened at the trial.
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  Speaker 2: Well, with all that evidence, yeah, it was pretty damning.
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  I bet the jury found him guilty first degree murder.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And he was sentenced to life in prison, life in
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  prison without the possibility of parol.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Oh, justice was served, it was. But it doesn't
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  bring her back, No, it doesn't. And for her family
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  and friends, that pain never really goes away.
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  Speaker 2: It's a terrible loss.
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  Speaker 1: In this case. It really highlights the impact of domestic violence.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 1: It's stocking.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it can happen to anyone, You're right.
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  Speaker 1: And what's chilling is the level of premeditation. Oh yeah,
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  it wasn't a crime of passion. This was planned.
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  Speaker 2: He broke into her house, waited for her exactly. It's scary,
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  it really is.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that he chose Valentine's.
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  Speaker 2: Day, don't even get me started.
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  Speaker 1: Makes it even more twisted.
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  Speaker 2: It's like he saw it as some kind of poetic justice.
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  You know.
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  Speaker 1: God, that's bone chilling, it is, right. It makes you
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  wonder what goes on in someone's mind to do something
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  like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to comprehend.
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  Speaker 1: But this case raises some bigger questions doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What, like, how can we protect victims of domestic violence?
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  Speaker 2: That's a big one.
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  Speaker 1: How can we prevent these tragedies?
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  Speaker 2: Those are important question And that's syringe. What if he
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  had succeeded in injecting her? Yeah, that's a chilling thought.
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  Speaker 1: Would this have even been investigated as a murder?
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  Speaker 2: That's hard to say, right.
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  Speaker 1: If there hadn't been a struggle, if she was just
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  found dead in her bed, would anyone have questioned it?
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  Speaker 2: It's possible they wouldn't have.
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  Speaker 1: It's a disturbing thought.
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  Speaker 2: It is the idea that someone could get away with murder.
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  Speaker 1: Just by making it look like an accident or even
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  a suicide. It's scary to think about.
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  Speaker 2: It happens more often than you'd think.
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  Speaker 1: Really, then, how do we stop it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it all starts with being aware, aware of the
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  signs of abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly and taking them seriously.
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  Speaker 2: So what are some of those signs?
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  Speaker 1: Well, one thing that often stands out is the sense
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  of entitlement. Entitlement, Yeah, like the abuser feels they have
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  a right to control their partner. Oh, I see, they
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  might be possessive.
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  Speaker 2: Possessive like Gareth was with Amy.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, they might isolate their partner from friends and.
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  Speaker 2: Family, trying to cut them off.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and they might use manipulation or intimidation to.
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  Speaker 2: Get their way exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not always just physical violence, Nope.
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  Speaker 2: Emotional abuse can be just.
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  Speaker 1: As damaging, and it often comes first, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about power and control.
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  Speaker 1: Power and control, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: And abusers will use any means necessary to keep that control.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, this is heavy, it is, isn't it. Thinking back
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  to Gareth, we see those patterns definitely. The possessiveness, yeah,
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  the inability to let go.
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  Speaker 2: He couldn't move on.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he saw Amy as a possession, a prize,
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  not a person, right, And when she tried to break free,
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  he latched out in the worst way.
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  Speaker 2: It's a tragedy, it is, it really is. But before
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  we wrap up, yeah, I want to go back to
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  that syringe one more time. Okay, it still feels like
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  a loose end it as doesn't It Almost like a
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  red herring.
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  Speaker 1: What if?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What if he had succeeded in injecting her with that
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  liquid nicotine?
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm? Interesting question?
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  Speaker 1: Would this even have been investigated as a murder?
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  Speaker 2: It's a tough one, right, Yeah, like.
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  Speaker 1: If there hadn't been signs of a struggle, if they
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  had just found her dead in her bed.
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  Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if anyone would even beat it.
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  Speaker 1: An eye, Like would they have just assumed it was
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  some kind of accidental overdose or something.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely possible, you know, especially with that syringe at
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  the scene, right.
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  Speaker 1: And liquid nicotine. I mean, it's not like your everyday
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  poison exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's not something that would immediately raise red.
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  Speaker 1: Flags, so it could easily have been overlooked.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the scary part, the idea that someone could
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  potentially get away with murder just by being a little
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  bit clever.
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  Speaker 1: That's terrifying. It's like something out of a crime novel.
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  But this is real life we're talking.
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  Speaker 2: About, and it highlights this crucial point, you know. It's
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  that the importance of thorough investigations, right right. You can't
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  just take things at face value. You got to dig deeper, exactly,
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  look for those inconsistencies, the things that don't quite add up,
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  like that syringe exactly. It was a key piece of
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  the puzzle. Even though it didn't turn to be the
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  murder weapon.
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  Speaker 1: It still led investigators down a different path.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It made them question the initial assumptions.
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  Speaker 1: And ultimately help them uncover.
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  Speaker 2: The truth exactly. So you know, it's a reminder to
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  always question, always be.
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  Speaker 1: Skeptical, especially when something seems a little too convenient, right.
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  Speaker 2: Because sometimes the simplest explanation isn't the right one.
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  Speaker 1: This whole case, it's just it's a lot to process
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  is There are so many layers, so many what ifs.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, Gareth was found guilty.
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  Justice was served, it was but of course it doesn't
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  bring Amy back, and for her loved ones, her family, her.
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  Speaker 1: Friends, that loss is forever.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's a wound that never fully heals.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, it really brings to light the devastating
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  impact of domestic.
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  Speaker 2: Violence, it does, and stalking.
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  Speaker 1: It shows us that it can happen to anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. It doesn't discriminate.
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  Speaker 1: No matter your background, your profession, your.
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  Speaker 2: Social status, none of that matters. It can happen to
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  anyone anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And what's even more chilling about this case exactly is
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  the level of premeditation.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what makes it so disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a crime of passion, you know, No.
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  Speaker 2: This was planned out, step by step.
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  Speaker 1: He broke into her house, he waited for her, he
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  knew what he was doing. It sense shivers down my
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  spine just thinking about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a truly terrifying thought.
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  Speaker 1: And then to choose Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 2: Don't even get me stars up.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he was trying to make some kind of
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  six statements.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like some twisted form of revenge.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecutor, Catherine Mariano, yeah, I remember her. She even
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  said he saw it as some kind of like poetic justice. Yeah,
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  poetic justice. It's just bone chilling.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. It makes you wonder what goes on
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  in the mind of someone.
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  Speaker 1: Like that, right, Like what kind of thought process leads
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  to that level of cruelty.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to fathom, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: But this case also raises some important questions for all
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  of us, like what like, how can we better protect
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  victims of domestic violence?
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  Speaker 2: That's a huge one, r And.
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  Speaker 1: How can we prevent these tragedy from happening in the
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  first place.
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  Speaker 2: Those are questions we all need to be asking.
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  Speaker 1: Ourselves, because this isn't just about Amy's story.
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  Speaker 2: It's about a much larger.
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  Speaker 1: Issue, an issue that affects countless people every single day,
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  and it's an issue that we all have a responsibility
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  to address.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we can't just sit back and ignore it.
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  Speaker 1: We need to be proactive, We need to be.
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  Speaker 2: Vigilant, We need to be willing to speak up and
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  take action.
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  Speaker 1: Because silence only protects the abuser.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. We need to break the silence, shed light
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  on this.
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  Speaker 1: Darkness and let victims know they're not.
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  Speaker 2: Alone, that there is help available.
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  Speaker 1: And that they deserve to be safe.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, they're safety, they're well being.
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  Speaker 1: It's paramount.
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  Speaker 2: It's the most important.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, and we all have a role to play in
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  making that happen.
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  Speaker 2: So true. Whether it's supporting organizations that help victims.
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  Speaker 1: Or speaking out against abuse.
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  Speaker 2: Or simply being more aware of the.
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  Speaker 1: Signs, we can all make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: Even small actions can have a ripple effect, and.
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  Speaker 1: That ripple effect can save lives.
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  Speaker 2: It can, It really can.
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  Speaker 1: Deep dive, it's been a tough one.
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  Speaker 2: It has it's heavy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also been incredibly important.
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  Speaker 2: It's opened our eyes to a reality that many people face.
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  Speaker 1: A reality that we can no longer ignore.
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  Speaker 2: It's a cull to action for all of us.
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  Speaker 1: To stand up, to speak out to make.
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  Speaker 2: A change, because everyone deserves to live a life free
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  from violence and fear.
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  Speaker 1: Well said, and thank you for guiding us through this
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  deep dive.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: It was my pleasure. Really.
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  Speaker 1: It's been heartbreaking, but also incredibly insightful and hopefully.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: It sparks some important conversations.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Because that's how we start to create change.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: By talking about these issues, by raising awareness, and.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: By supporting those who are affected by them.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Exactly, we need to create a culture where abuse is
• 15:44
  not tolerated.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Where victims feel empowered to come forward.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: And where perpetrators are held accountable for their actions.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: And to all of our listeners out there, thank you
• 15:53
  for joining us on this deep dive.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you being here.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: If you've been affected by any of the issues we've discussed.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Today, please know that you are not alone.
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  Speaker 1: There are resources available to help, and.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: We'll be sure to include some helpful links in the
• 16:05
  show notes.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Until next time, stay curious, stay in formed.
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  Speaker 2: And most importantly, it's a chilling thought, right, it really.
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  Speaker 1: Is, like, what if there hadn't been those signs of
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  a struggle? Yeah, what if she had just been found
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  dead in her bed?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to say for sure, Yeah, but
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  things could have played out very differently, right.
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  Speaker 1: Like would they have even investigated it as a murder?
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  It's possible they wouldn't have that syringe, the liquid nicotine.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: It raises so many questions.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: It does. It makes you think about how many cases
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  might be out there. Yeah, where a clever plan almost worked, Like.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Where a murder was almost masked exactly. How do investigators
• 16:46
  even begin to untangle that?
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: It's a huge challenge, right, They have to be incredibly
• 16:51
  meticulous looking for the tiniest clues exactly, the things that
• 16:55
  don't quite add up.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: It's scary to think someone could get away with murder
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  just by making it look like an accident.
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  Speaker 2: It happens more often than you might think. Really, Unfortunately, Yes,
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  that's terrified. It is. It's a reminder that we can't
• 17:09
  always trust.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Appearances, right, Things aren't always what they seem exactly.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: We have to be willing to dig deeper, to question
• 17:17
  the easy.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Answers, because sometimes the truth is hidden beneath the surface exactly.
• 17:21
  This whole case, it's a lot to process, it is,
• 17:24
  But ultimately Gareth was found guilty.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: He was and justice was served in the eyes of
• 17:29
  the law.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, but it doesn't bring Amy back.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. And for her family and friends, yeah,
• 17:35
  that pain is still very real.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It is, and this case it really highlights how important
• 17:42
  it is to recognize those red flags absolutely, and relationships
• 17:46
  not just for ourselves, but also for our friends and
• 17:49
  loved ones.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: You have to look out for each other.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Exactly, because sometimes it's hard to see those red flags
• 17:54
  when you're in the middle of it, that's.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: True, it's easier to see things from the outside.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: So we need to be there for each other.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, offer support, listen without judgment.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes just knowing that someone believes you can make all
• 18:05
  the difference.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: It really can. It can give someone of the strengths
• 18:08
  to reach out for help.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And if you're in a situation where you feel unsafe, yeah,
• 18:12
  please reach out. There are resources available.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Hotlines, shelters, support groups.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You don't have to go through this alone. And there's
• 18:20
  no shame in asking for.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Help, none at all. It takes courage to admit you
• 18:24
  need support.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It's a sign of strength, not weakness.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and it could save your life.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: But even with all the resources and support systems, these
• 18:33
  tragedies still happen.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: They do, and that's the heartbreaking reality.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: What else can we do to prevent them?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I think it comes down to changing the culture.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Changing the culture.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: How do we do that, Well, it's about challenging those
• 18:45
  norms that condone abusive behavior.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: So it's not just about reacting to abuse after it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Happens, right, It's about being proactive.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Educating young people about healthy relationship.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Exactly, teaching them what respect really looks.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Like, promoting those bystander intervention programs.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, empowering people to step in when they see something.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Wrong, holding abusers accountable.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: That's crucial. It's a big task, it is, but it's necessary.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: We need to create a world where violence is never
• 19:14
  the answer.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Where respect and equality are the foundation of every relationship.
• 19:18
  Well said, this deep dive has been heavy.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: It has it's really shed light on a dark side
• 19:23
  of humanity.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But it's also a call to action.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It is we can't just sit back and wait for
• 19:28
  someone else to fix this.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Well, we all have a role to play.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Whether it's supporting organizations that work with victims, or.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Speaking out against abusive behavior.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Or just being more aware of the signs.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: We can all make a difference.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Amy's story is a tragic reminder.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Of the consequences of silence.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And the importance of speaking up and taking action. Thank
• 19:47
  you for walking us through this deep dive.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: It was my pleasure.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: It's been heartbreaking, but also incredibly insightful.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And to all our listeners out there, yeah, thank you
• 19:57
  for joining us.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you being here.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: If you've been affected by any of the issues.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: We've discussed today, please know that you are not alone.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: There are resources available to help, and.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: We'll include some helpful links in the show notes.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Until next time, stay curious, stay informed, and most importantly,
• 20:11
  stay safe.