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245. Unlocking Your Hidden Strengths: The Power of Self-Knowledge · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rochelle Christiane podcast, formerly the Emotional Mastery podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Rochelle, your host.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions and live life on your terms.
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  Speaker 1: Lean into your power and create a life that feels aligned and alive.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever felt like you're doing everything right but you still feel stuck, exhausted, burnt out, like something's missing?
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  Speaker 1: When you align with your design, everything changes.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's dive into the episode.
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  Speaker 1: Today I have Tracy Schmidt, who is a holistic health coach and a possibilitarian, and Tracy and I were connected.
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about it like yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: It's been almost two years now, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Right yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we've been accountability partners for almost two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, cause I think it started in February.
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: The program started in February, manifestation her program, and so we've just been accountability partners since then, so basically every single week, with the exception of a few patches there where I was working nights, like every week.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: We basically kept in touch for two years and live on opposite sides of the world, never met, and I just love those kinds of friendships that grow out of.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: People can say what they want about the internet and social media, but I feel like our friendship is proof that there's so much beauty in that.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to set the foundation first, because I know we're going to dig into quite a few things and who knows where it goes, because you and I are always exploring so many different things.
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  Speaker 1: But let's set the foundation with your astrology and your human design, and then I'll hand the floor to you and you can introduce yourself, tell your story and then kind of just yeah, what got you to where you're at today?
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  Speaker 2: Sounds great.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds great, yeah, no, and I I also love like I was just telling someone else this like with accountability partners, you don't know, know, like are you going to really connect with them?
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  Speaker 2: Some people are committed to it, some people aren't, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But I've been super fortunate, like you, with Manifestation Babe and then from another program I've had accountability partner for like seven and a half years, like every week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she brought her husband into the mix oh I love that.
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  Speaker 2: It's really fun, but it's when's good, it's really good.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: It is, and usually times that I've had accountability partners for a specific program or a timeframe.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of just lasted for that and then it falls off.
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  Speaker 1: But you and I have just every single week.
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  Speaker 1: We're there at some point during the week.
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  Speaker 1: It's good.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll start with your human design and then, if you want to give your big three in astrology, set the foundation there.
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  Speaker 2: So I am a four six manifesting generator, sacral manifesting generator, which is no surprise in my world, and I am a Capricorn sun, a Scorpio moon and a Gemini rising.
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  Speaker 1: And your chart is fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always looking at it every single time we talk.
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  Speaker 1: So you just have a lot of interesting polarities or what's the word I'm looking for Like juxtapositions, where you just you kind of hold like both and in a lot of places that you chart, and I find that really fascinating.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's fun yeah and then, if you want to share just as much or as little as you like about your story, and then, and then we could dive in sure, sure, um, I've been working on summarizing a quick story because I love one of my strengths storytelling like I love storytelling, but I also love listening and hearing other people's stories, which is why, yeah, people person.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: So I would say, just quickly, going back, I did all the things you should be doing when I was younger, college, got the corporate job and then it just slowly was sinking in, like this is okay, but it's not satisfying, it's not lighting me up, I'm not connected.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: And then I had this little vision of me as like a grandma, you know, when I'm like in my twenties and um, and I was like married grandkids and I'm just like what, this is not my life, no, no, no, no.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: I'm still hoping for grandkids, which I think will happen.
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  Speaker 2: But and so I quit my corporate job and I moved to Japan because I had never been to Asia and I had never really lived overseas.
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: I'd spent extended times in Europe, but I don't really call that living.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was there for two plus years working, living, and that was the game changer of like just doing that thing that scared the crap out of me quitting the job, going to a country I'd never been to, I didn't know anyone.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a job, it was nothing, and I just put my faith in it's going to be fine, fine, it's going to all work out.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: And from there things just keep getting better and better, because I know I can do these scary things and somehow it's going to work out, and it always kind of has.
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: But I didn't realize in the moment how empowering that big decision was.
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  Speaker 2: But I've seen it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I get in, find myself in a position where things aren't right, I do not hesitate like I would have before.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's always the pause, there's always a timeframe, but I feel like I do it with more confidence and and certainly faster, cause I tend to run a little bit slow with big decisions.
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  Speaker 2: And so here I am.
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  Speaker 2: It started also with that move, which was 31 years ago, doing it before people were doing it, doing it before the internet.
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: That also was the beginning of my personal growth journey.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: So it's been in process for a very long time.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: But I am just like you, geeking out on learning new things and really and I think you might agree like digging into the self right Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: This is where the magic is, and when we have all of these things more aligned.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: We just have more flow and things are easier Not always easy, but easier.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: So I started by becoming a massage therapist on a professional realm and then a holistic health coach, and then I started working with essential oils and with the Healy.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: Like you, you know bio residents or you know frequency energy.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: Like you, you know, um, bio residents or you know frequency energy, and it's just always adding.
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: You know coaching program here, this, there and there's just yumminess.
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  Speaker 2: And then my most recent and bigger thing, um, was the Clifton strengths coaching and so yeah, we're definitely going to get into that.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: Are you okay with me sharing bits and pieces of your chart as we go?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an, you know, I'm an open.
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  Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure you never know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you're mid heaven, which is the point in your chart that has to do with career legacy.
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  Speaker 1: Public persona is actually in your ninth house.
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  Speaker 1: So for you, for traveling that sort of being, you know, a huge piece of like what you do makes so much sense right Traveling, education, philosophy, religion, spirituality, things like that, right, it's just like it fits so perfectly in that arena, so I love that yeah.
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, now it's.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much right in my chart, in chart human design, astrology, strengths, gene keys, like it's just all there and I just love you know, and you and I have geeked out like and we did a trade where rochelle was doing the human design astrology for me and gene keys and I was doing strengths for her and we just kept seeing overlap, overlap, overlap, like yeah, it was amazing all yeah.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: So I guess, for people who maybe aren't familiar with the strengths cause, if they're listening to this podcast, if this is the first podcast they've listened to, maybe they're new to human design and astrology there are over 200 episodes that basically relate to it.
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: But for anyone that maybe doesn't know what strengths was cause, I hadn't heard of it before we started talking about it and it is fascinating.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: As we were going through mine, I was just mind blown because so much of it.
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like to a T, like who I am and I often think of definitely my top one, which was connection.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: Right, it was connection, yeah, yeah, okay, I was thinking of like a bigger word for it, but, yeah, connection, like every time we would go through it, it was just, it was so fascinating.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Like you said, there were so many different parallels between my, my specific chart and then, as I was describing your human design chart and your astrology, you are relating it to your strength.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just, it's so fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So umStrengths actually falls under for any Americans listening, it's under Gallup, that's the parent company.
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  Speaker 2: And this guy whatever his name is, Mr Clifton did this huge study of like 2 million people and in this they discovered 34 strengths.
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  Speaker 2: And so the difference between human design, astrology, gene keys, is that's all just based on your birthplace, date, time, whereas this is actually a subjective assessment you're completing and I've even learned.
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  Speaker 2: When I first got my strengths I wasn't working with someone, so I read it and I'm like, okay, whatever, I think that's kind of just like astrology and human design.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's me, that's not me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really understand this.
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  Speaker 2: And then you kind of forget about it.
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  Speaker 2: But a few years after I did my chart, I did this deep dive and I would say the guy that I studied with his name is Eddie Villa.
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  Speaker 2: He studied with Gallup, but Gallup it's actually made for like corporate management.
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  Speaker 2: So I know corporate people who have their strengths report, but they only have the top five and there are 34 strengths and if you get the whole report, you see everything.
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  Speaker 2: And what first lit me up about it is that it's so unique, right, like there is literally no one else in the world who has the same top seven strengths, in the same order?
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  Speaker 2: Like no one.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I always heard, like you know, you're so special, you're different, you're unique and especially when you start doing personal growth work, you hear it, you hear it, you hear it, and this is like the visual proof of it.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: You know, and, and then leaning in and learning about those strengths and actually living into them, that's when they become superpower strengths.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: You know when you're using them intentionally, you know with awareness.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, in a nutshell, yeah, well, I like it too, because each one has what you call the basement, right.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a higher expression and lower expression of it, and even for me, like that connection where I immediately was like, oh, just like connecting with people.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: But it's like bigger than that, right, it's like it's seeing everything as being connected in some way, and that's very six line my profile is a six three so it is seeing from that perspective, right Of like, yeah, I do see how everything is connected, you know, and even you know, when we talk about like being individual and being unique, it's like, yes, we are and also we're all the same yes, exactly, exactly like separate, but the same.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all in one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is also so exciting, you know.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah can you also describe like how because I know there's like your top five, but then there's also different like um, like your top five, your bottom, and then in the middle, like just how they show up for you, because I know there's a, there's an interesting not hierarchy, but there's an interesting way to like read all of that.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: That was right, just like one through 34 right, right, and so, like, what I focus on when I work with people is first we focus on the top 10 and really just like, so they can understand it and see how.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Because we each embody the strength differently.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like I remember when I first got my report, I understood all of them like, oh, my God, that's me.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, my, my number one.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like what, what?
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  Speaker 2: How is this my number one?
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Like I couldn't understand it.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: And then I'm slowly got to it, especially when I started working with someone like, oh, I see how this shows up in my life.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just not the typical person, because they're often like, super perfectionist and I'm the queen of like, let's just wing it.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: You know so, but it took me a while, like I do.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Like somebody was like oh, you prefer quality over quantity, like I made that statement.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: And they're like that's part of your number one.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh well, that's easy.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: That's been like I don't know, since I was probably in college, I could identify that.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, we focus on, like, understanding the top 10 and seeing how they embody it, and then we also look at the bottom five, because that's really like your top 10 is where you're in alignment.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: It's where you're energized.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: It's, you know, things are good when you're living there.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: But if you're living in any of your bottom five, it's going to be in the basement, it's not going to be in the balcony right the higher expression, and it's really to be in the basement.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be in the balcony right the higher expression.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: And it's really important to know.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: You want to make sure, like I realized, one of my bottom five.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like I've been hanging out there a little bit.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: No wonder things haven't been going so well, right, but it's also like not looking at whether you're able to do something or not.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: It's more embodying how you do it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: So looking at, like I don't even remember what strength it was that I was embodying in my bottom five, but I had to then look at, okay, how can I do this kind of task or this thing using my top 10?
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: And so it's kind of fun because you get to play with it, you know, and say like, okay, I understand I need to.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I want to embody this concept, this strength, but I don't want to utilize the strength and you find your own unique way to do it.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: And then we do also check in with, like the 11 to 15, because sometimes there's some strengths in there that are super powerful, but the mid range kind of like the, it could be 14 to maybe 22 or somewhere around that general area.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: They're usually just kind of neutral, like they don't light you up, they don't suck your energy, they're just kind of there.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: They're not so so we don't spend time there, you know, but it's just so fun to play with.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: And none of them are like bad.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like air quoting it right.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: It's just like whether you embody these more than some of the other ones.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Basically.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Right, right it's, it's more.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: You know like it would be more challenging for you if you're living in the basement, right Things, you're going to feel better and and do more and be more challenging for you.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: If you're living in the basement, right Things, you're going to feel better and do more and be more effective.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Most likely you're living in the balcony, you know, but it's like everything, right, they're not good or bad, it's not right or wrong, but it's trying to live into the highest expression of yourself, right.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: So if you're looking from like a business perspective or like as an entrepreneur or anything like that, you're really focused, really focusing and trying to like lean into those top, like five or 10.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I changed how I do, my how I work after I really understood my strengths because and I knew this like I could describe this to people I used to say before to like close family and friends, like I know I'm great at like ideas, like how can I share information?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: How can I, you know, put more out?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I'll come up with new ideas.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I'm great at ideas and I feel like I'm quite good at connecting and teaching and mentoring and coaching, but it's every detail in the middle not so great, and I knew this about myself.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: But then I feel like for me, understanding my strengths, where I have zero executing strengths in my top 10.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: And I remember telling my mom this and she's like, well, of course you don't Like it's not rocket science, but it almost.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: For me, it almost like gave me permission to be like you don't have to try to do all those jobs that are part of being self-employed, right, because I don't have a team.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I have a virtual assistant I work with sometimes, but like that's how I got a website up, I hired a virtual assistant and I got done.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Now I know I'm smart, I know I'm capable, I know I'm competent, I know I could smart, I know I'm capable, I know I'm competent, I know I could figure it out.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: But it would suck the life out of me and probably take me 20 years to do Like I never even tried it because it's not in my wheelhouse.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, Well, and a lot of it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So futuristic is your top right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's my number.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Seven or eight, okay, yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Because I'm just looking from, like you know, a business lens where we're talking about.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: You know everything you're describing like doing things differently or being innovative and things like that, and you have a chorus in your mid, your mid heaven, you know, in the ninth house, but it's very much about that innovation, right, that like doing things a little bit differently, that it wouldn't necessarily be like attention to detail on that stuff, because it is an air sign.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be better at the people things right at like being social and having the ideas and so like grounding that in and then it's ruler.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Like we were just talking about is conjunct pluto and mars in in virgo, so there's going to be a little bit of yeah difficulties, I guess, or challenge with that aspect of it as well, but like this is what we were every time we were talking about it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like astrology, human design.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting, you can just like see as you're speaking, all these like keywords are coming out to me and I'm like, oh yeah, that's the Aquarius midheaven, like 100%.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It's like you're embodying it, you know, with, with, with or without realizing it, and I love that when people just are.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: You know like it's.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: It blows my mind, it's beautiful.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: And and it's fun, you know, and I also find, like, whether it's strengths, human design, astrology, like just the, the quest to like know the self and get back to our roots, because we're so busy being unaware most of the time and just living through the programming that we've received, and I do see that starting to shift more and more now.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But like, to me, this is like the ultimate like fun game of just like exploring I'll.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I'll do like any kind of personal, you know, assessment of like who you are, you know whether it's numerology or the Enneagram, or you know all of.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: There's so many different things.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Somebody just introduced me to something else a couple of weeks ago.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I'd never heard of it before, I don't even remember the name of it, but I'm like oh, this is interesting, okay, I'll check it out.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Like it's, it's just, it's so empowering.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It really is Like.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like that exploration of self, like it's interesting to think about a time when I was in my twenties where I had no interest in even who I was getting to know myself.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't even like myself, I was just trying to like get through the day and get to the next thing.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And now it's so exciting to like peel back new layers and explore new things and it's like I'll find a new pattern and I'm like, oh my gosh, I get to work through it now, Like I can see it and your son is in the eighth house, if I'm remembering correctly.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So there's, that natural depth to who you are that you want to explore.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You know I mean that's inevitable.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I think it's.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I like when we first started, when you mentioned it, cause I again I like I said I'd never heard of it before, but I'm like it's so interesting.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And then there are three different categories for the strengths right, there's four, and and this is where there's kind of a little more generalization, and so the way that I've learned it from Eddie because I described him as, like the um, the Jedi warrior of strengths like he has taken it out of.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: The more corporate, you know mainframe eye, and he's just looking at like people connecting it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: The more corporate you know mainframe eye and he's just looking at like people connecting it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter who you are, what your labels and roles are in this life, everyone can benefit from this and so he we really look at like.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So we look at your top 10 and any of the categories that you have three or more of in that top 10, we consider it like a dominant domain.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So there is strategic thinking.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Those people like to think, create and learn Maybe all three of those, maybe just one of those things, but they like to spend a lot of time.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: They spend a lot of time in their heads, right, and I also see this as one of my challenge.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I have so much going on up here, but getting it out into the world can be a challenge.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have half of that right.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a mix between strategic and.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you and I are both right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Strategic thinking and relationship building, I think so.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds good.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I was going to pull up your chart before this and I forgot so.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds good, I think so.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I was going to pull up your chart before this and I forgot to.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: And then relationship building, and it's all about connecting with the right people.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Whoever those right people are for you, it could be there's certain right people at work, certain right people in your personal life, certain right people in whatever a group, an organization, but whoever those people are to you in that moment can always change.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: The next is influencing, and that's helping people move forward.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: And I always say like I kind of have a minor in that, because two of my top 10 are influencing, but then also two of my other.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I think one is strategic thinking and one is relationship building.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of influencing behind them, even though they're not officially influencing strengths.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And then the last one, which I have zero of in my top 10, is the executing, and that's really, and I think I don't have any of that either.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think you do either.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: That's about getting things done.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: What you would decide is the right way, like I'm just like, do it your way.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: You know, and that's my, even my work as a health coach.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Like if somebody comes up to me and is like, oh, just tell me what to do, I'm like I'm not the person for you, because only you can figure that out.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I can give you tips or suggestions or teach you about something that you might not know in the health world in your quest to be healthier, but only you can decide how far you want to go, what's the best way to implement it right?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And we've learned.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: You want to go what's the best way to implement it Right, and we've learned, like it's very clear, from strengths, from astrology, from human design.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Like it leads, the way it shows you references, and those are little idiosyncrasies and quirks, they're all there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was just pulling mine up because I was, I was trying to remember what it was, but yeah, I am strategic thinking and relationship building, and it's so interesting, you know, for you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: You say relationship building and I think that fourth line, because it's so, I always I forget that you're a four, I always think you're a two four.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: So they're so sociable, right, but you are four, six, which also makes sense, but yeah, that relationship building is very fourth line and it's interesting, if you know, for my human design, because I'm a six three, which is a little bit weird.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Like I, I I'm not I wouldn't say I'm the most social person, but I mean I I value deep connection and I think that's why it's challenging for me to be so social Cause a lot of times it's very superficial, it's about the weather and I'm like, if you're trying to pull like just conversation starters out of me, I'm like glossed over out of the room, I can't do it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's why that's harder for me, but I have more fourth lines in my chart than anything else, which?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: is really interesting.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: So there is this part of me that I think really values that, and when I meet people who are like you, I in anyone who's got a fourth line I love fourth lines because then I think when I'm in a situation or if, like, if we were actually going somewhere in a room, like I think I would be able to draw on your energy Right.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And like and it's beautiful, and so I feel like I almost need the support of fourth lines to bring that out of me.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: yeah, it is a very so when I first heard that, I was like relationship building, I don't know, but it's like.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But that's also what I'm doing with the podcast.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Like, that's what I'm doing, so it does make sense.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And relationship building does not need to equate to being extroverted.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Right, and I just pulled up your chart too.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Like I forget your number five.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Strength is relator, and relator is like and what I've learned with Eddie, five is like your foundational strength, like this is like the core of your strengths and when you're connected and aligned with your five, your top 10 are going to be more aligned as well, and if your five is off, then everything else might be a little bit off.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It's like so powerful and it's relator, and relator is an introverted people.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Connecting strength it's having a small core group of people, and those people usually prefer like one-on-one connections, and those people usually prefer like one-on-one connections, no small talk, like none and my daughter is.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: It's her number two strength and of course it is like she's.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: She and I are totally opposite.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm the and she's just like, are you?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: What's the point of your story?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what's funny about that too is though I feel like I my, my, like my group.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I guess you would say or my circle is pretty small, but within that circle I would say at least you know, half, if not more, are people who are so well resourced.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So it's like, in that sense, like I do have that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking at relationship and like knowing who, like if somebody needed something, they called me.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I might not be able to provide it, but I know the person that well so that I feel like resonates well to that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and every person that is like that in my group is a fourth line, of course, is either a two four, four, six or I'm like.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I know that you have somebody in your phone that knows somebody but like I feel like it's being able to use those Right yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you don't have to be that you do.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You only have to be yourself Right and and you can only do it your way.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You know, and that's the thing about all of this right Is that I feel like all of these tools it just gives you.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You know, doing that self-exploration gives you that power and like wanting to then let go of all the societal bullshit and just be like, oh no, I don't have to do it that way, I don't have to be this?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like a lot of our resistance and a lot of our shadows come from trying to fit in a box that we don't fit in.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So the other thing I was just thinking about is like somebody like you and I we've been doing the work where you know our charts are super aligned with us.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But if someone is maybe not as aware or maybe going through a harder time they might and I've seen this with a couple of clients their report doesn't feel super aligned, like one person I knew super well, the other one not as well, but just through our coaching and conversation it came up and what we figured out, like with the first person is they had like seven relationship building strengths which I've never had anyone like with one of seven.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I've had six, but not in some like wow.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But then what we realized is she was actually in a place of like not a good marriage and so really her answers weren't the reality of her situation but they were more of what she was wanting or needing.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And so we've already talked about like okay, she's now got a divorce and we're like let's give it like a year or two and it would be really fascinating to retake the strengths, because it's not something that's usually recommended that you would need to retake it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: But if you go through something really big, really life-changing, that is really switching up your whatever perspective, the way you operate in the world.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: It could be really interesting.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: And so I've heard of a couple of people I don't know them personally but like I've heard on podcasts or in a training like they retook the test after a huge life experience and their next chart or results were felt much more in alignment.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But just by ending a non-healthy relationship they started getting in more alignment.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: So it's it's really interesting.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: But that first person I believe she became more aware through her strengths assessment and coaching and that kind of woke her up to the oh, this isn't okay anymore, you know, and like, really stood up.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I think it also empowered her to take those next steps and do that really, really hard thing, you know you said she had like most, of her top 10 was relationship yeah yeah, well, and it would make sense that her primary relationship was broken, right, and it would be hard to like see that as a strength for you, yeah yeah yeah, interesting, so it's it's.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's just always fascinating.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is, it's amazing so where I always forget the name of the place where you live.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I know it's like well yeah you, you don't need to remember it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: So I live in Indonesia, and when my daughter and I first moved here, we lived in Bali for a couple of years, but then we moved to, so now we're like two islands east of Bali.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: The island is called Sumbawa, so it's okay most people don't know it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: You know, like I know you've said the name to me a lot, yeah, but I was like just thinking I was like I actually I forgot what it's called.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've been international, basically since you were 20 and decided to move to Japan.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Well, um, it's been back and forth, like probably with that move, I probably spent about three years in Asia, three years in central and South America, um, but then I went back to the U?
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: S and had my daughter, um, and I'm originally from the Chicago area, so I went back to Chicago.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And then, when, and had my daughter and I'm originally from the Chicago area, so I went back to Chicago.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: And then, when she was like a year and a half, we moved to Portland, oregon, which is much more aligned at that time.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Now it's a little bit of a hot mess, but it was a great, great place to raise her.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And then, when she was 15, we came here, which was eight years ago.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Last week was our eight-year anniversary of being in indo, that's a long time so yeah, what do you feel like you've learned there?
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I I can say, you know, I was pretty spiritual and connected before we moved here, because that was already decades in the making, you know, but accelerated like just deeper, deeper practices, deeper learning, more awareness, and this place is so many energy portals here.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Like the lessons come hard and fast here, like you and it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It either like you can either manage it and work with it or it literally just spits people out and they don't stay long and they leave.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: You know, and it's not easy because it is remote, like I'm right now in one of two restaurants that are really just restaurants.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: You, I mean there's a lot of like local places but they're not so healthy so I don't go there so often.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Um and uh, it's, it's challenging, like somebody from me, like who's so extroverted.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I, you know, I, that's why I'm always out and I always talk to people that I meet at the restaurants.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And you know my daughter's mortified She'd be like when she was younger don't make eye contact, there's somebody new coming in.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Stop, don't make eye contact.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, yeah, I feel like we've talked about to the parallels between like your daughter and mine, just in, like your daughter's a one three, my daughter's a one three and my son is the one that never met a stranger.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: He will talk to anybody and she's like, oh my God, he's going, he's going over there.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, like it's okay that was mean.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: My mom used to worry about me when I was little.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Really, I'd be greeting people everywhere.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: He was trying to teach me stranger danger and that is a real, like my son.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: One day I was sitting outside my parents' house and this father and son just rode by on bikes.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: My son chases them.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It's like where are you guys going?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Never met these people in his life and they're like to the park.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: He's like can I come?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And the father was like isn't that your mom?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Like I told him.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Like you can't do that.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: You don't even know those people.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: He's like well, I know that now I'm like well, I know, but what a different world we live in now than I was a child.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You know like well, it's like one of those things, too, where it's such a beautiful quality to have and it's like you don't want to break them of that, but also like you have to be aware of the world that we do live in, like, yeah, you can't.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: You know I've made jokes before where've made jokes before where I'm just like he's, like I would never go with a stranger.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like until they offer you candy I mean they're riding their bike.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: But he's like so glued to my hip that I know like I would be, he would yell my name and he's very, very extroverted.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: He's not shy, right?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: So I know like he would put up a fight, like he would be loud, like God forbid, I don't even want to like think about that, but it's like he's.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like that does serve him well and it's been, you know, a mixture of just really aligning, you know trying to raise him according to human design, and I made a post earlier today.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's so amazing when you look at children, who, of course, he has conditioning.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: You know everybody does, and I'm not the perfect parent.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Nobody is.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But it's like even little things as far as just the way that he bless you, like the way that he eats.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I just I have never like tried to control that, and he's talked to cognition so I've never been like pick up a fork, eat with your hands, and it's just amazing to watch how much like they can align to the way that they're supposed to consume food and consume information and sleep and like all these things.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: It really is like fascinating to see and that's why sometimes if people don't believe in these systems, it's like I mean, I guess you don't have to, but I see it, you know, I see you embody that, I see it manifested and you don't even know, and it's amazing you know, it's interesting because I also have um touch and.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: But I'm thinking like my parents were like would have been like no, you need to use a fork and a knife, like you need to.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: But once I started, especially living in Asia, like where a lot of places you eat with your hands, like India, here you eat with your hands traditionally and I and and like I love living in Japan, like I love chopsticks, so I always had, from traveling, my favorite ways to eat with my hands, then with chopsticks and then silverware, like that's my bottom.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know but chopsticks also.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: They have like a texture to them that like a fork doesn't Cause my son he's the same.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: He loves chopsticks.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like that would be his order.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Hands chopsticks and like he'll eat the most random things If there's a chopsticks in front of him, like he's had that mastered for years.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: People are amazed.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: They're like he, like he literally just picked them up when he was like three and just like started using them.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: So I think that is such a touch thing and also touch cognition.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: People are just very affectionate too, like he will always be on me or kissing me, or like touch.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Or when we go into stores, yeah, like, very much Like.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And when we go into stores I have to tell him.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I am like look with your eyes.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't tell him that.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I think.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I started telling him that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Then I just started reframing.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like just don't break it, because I know he's going to touch.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I've told him so many times don't touch.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Just don't break it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can touch gently.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Some places you can't touch, but when it's like target or something I'm like, just don't like.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: But but from what you know about, like your human design and your astrology and then your, your strengths test, what do you see?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: The commonalities between them?
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I what was really empowering for me?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Because for the longest time, like it was very unusual.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Usually if there's something I'm interested in, I want to learn it, like that's just how I'm programmed.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: But astrology, like I never really wanted to learn until I started learning a little bit about human design in our manifestation course where we met, and then I'm like it just got me all lit up and I'm like, well then I feel like I need to know about astrology if I know about human design.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: But one of the great things, like cause I didn't really I never remembered like rising sign or my moon, I just knew I was a Capricorn sun and that didn't seem right, you know, and I mean I see some parts of the Capricorn Sun, but like just not the stereotypical, maybe like my number one strength, but like the like Gemini rising just makes so much sense to me, you know, which goes along with my strengths, uh, which you also have, like we love learning.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: We love learning and sharing, you know, learning just for ourselves.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: But then there's also another strength about like learning and sharing and I'm like I feel like that's all connected and my Mercury is in Sagittarius, which also just seems to be all connected.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: You know, and it's interesting because, like in strengths like I know you have your, your strategic, strategic thinking strengths are more aligned with, like, um, the overthinking and going super deep, which I don't have, which is funny, but I'm also not like a super like.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I do like to like play with things in my head, but I'm not an overthinker, like my head is on the pillow and I'm out.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: You know, like I know so many people who don't, and a lot of them have strategic thinking like, who are just overthinking at night, and so I don't go super deep, but at the same time, I do have deep things in my chart, like I think I'm more consciously deep.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: You know, like in the 3D world, I'd love to have deep conversations, I love to explore things, but then I can just let it go.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is the sun in the eighth, because the eighth house is ruled by Scorpio, right.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And then you have your moon in Scorpio, which we've talked about that before.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting, but it's conjunct Neptune, so it makes sense that you wouldn't necessarily see it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Right Like because you have Neptune there, kind of like you know what do they call it?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Pulling the wool over your eyes or whatever, but I think that natural that that Capricorn in the eighth, or sorry, the sun in the eighth, is going to bring a depth and intensity to like what you do.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It sort of puts that twist on it, and this is why I love astrology and why it's like just taking one piece of it is so it like does it a disservice Cause?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people were like I don't resonate with my son, like at all.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: You know, and I know people who are like cancer sons.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: But you're like really you wouldn't know.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: But there's so much to it, you know, it's like the house that they're in, the placement, the, the, the aspects, like it's just so fascinating.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: And also your son is who you're growing into through the lessons of your rising sign.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: So it makes sense that you would connect with your rising, first and foremost Right, and then having that Mercury as your chart ruler, because Mercury rules Gemini right, and then having that mercury is your chart ruler, because mercury rules gemini right.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: so it's like you follow like those patterns and those or those like rabbit holes, I guess throughout your chart and then, you know, and it's so.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It's so interesting how that well, and I feel like with with all of the different platforms, modalities, whatever, like you can see it like, oh, this is my, if you only know your son and you're like, well, that's not me.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Or you're reading like the daily horoscope, that's for everyone, like you know, you're like whatever.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Or you get your strengths report and you read it once and you're like you know, like then it has it doesn't.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: It's not going to help you change and grow.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It's like it's in the depth and in the super understanding of it that that's where all the yumminess lies.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Right, and I mean I learned that with everything, with astrology, human design, I'm still like, just, I feel like dipping my toes in the water, you know, and I'm still mastering the strengths.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been working with it for a few years, but I just think about, like, how much Eddie, my mentor, knows, like he's just, I love listening to him.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: So he's just like, oh, this, this, this.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: But, much to his wife's dismay, after he first got his certification, he spent a year just doing free readings and free coaching.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: He's like honey time to start charging Time to charge.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Start charging.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Time to make this into a business.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Like you, I think you've mastered it, you know.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: But he just and that's how he became this Jedi warrior of strengths Like it didn't just take the training and run with it, like he did a super, super deep dive and he has, just amazing, you know, he has his own interpretations of it which make it super exciting.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: They're so connected and heartfelt, they're not corporate focused.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: With that mindset and that direction, it's much bigger picture, I think, which is why I also love it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful, I think.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I think with any of these, there's so much depth to it that, like you could study your entire life and not even scratch the surface of it Like, for sure, astrology.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like I have been studying it for basically six years and I'll listen to like somebody who's been in at 20 and I'm like, wait, do I actually know anything about astrology?
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Like there's just so much to learn about it, you know, and I think that's why it's like choosing like one specific area that you want to like go down the rabbit.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Even in human design Like for me it's always kind of been body, so it's like that PHS, the physical health system to me, is where I want to like put, pour more of my energy and like really learning, cause it's like that's calls to me.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: And then astrology, psychological astrology, right, cause like there are so many different avenues of astrology.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: It's crazy and like medical astrology.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I tried to dip my toe in that for a minute.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I was like I would have to go back to school to like, cause it's like a doctor's degree.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: It's like I didn't even know there was such a thing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: It's wild Like cause.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I mean you think about it just like on a surface level.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I mean every sign or every planet in sign rules a part of the house, right, so Capricorn house part of the body.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: So like Capricorn, right, it rules the bones Right, and so it's in like the bones and the skin.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Cause, like every time, like cause.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I have Mars and Capricorn, so every time there's like an intense transit for me I'll get like rashes or it's just it's crazy, right, so you can actually see, like the houses and the aspects and the placements, like people will narrow it down so fine-tuned to like what's happening in, like organs of your body.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: It's, it's wild.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: It's like are you veda?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: It's so much like I started saying are you veda too?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And I got about a year into a program and I was like this is fascinating.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But at the time you know, I mean working single mom.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I was studying astrology, human design, like I just didn't have the bandwidth to like really dedicate as much time as it would have needed.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, no, it's fascinating, there's so much to it, it's wild and I recently also learned in like last couple of years I think it was actually from katherine from the manifestation program um astro cartography oh yeah, like yeah, do you know where you're on, what line you're on?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Well, see't understand it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Like I've seen the chart but I don't know what the wavy lines are.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: But, like both my daughter and I, have wavy lines going through Zimbabwe.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to look it up, I'm going to find out for you.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I find it fascinating.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked up, I was looking at it again recently and I'm like I really thought there would be more going through like Cusco, because that's where my daughter was conceived, like this is where I was living when I got pregnant.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And then I looked on a different chart and I like blew it up to see and I'm like there was like literally a star on Cusco and I'm like I don't know what that means, but that seems to be, yeah, I'm going to.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I'm't know what that means but that seems to be a line I'm going to add you in here.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I don't have you in this specific program.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: So it's.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: You know, peru is such a skinny little country, but it's in the Andes because, like that's where people go from Cusco they get to Machu Picchu, so it's kind of close to the border of Bolivia.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I know, because I'm seeing like a circle around an area and I'm wondering if that's oh Cusco.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I see it, I see it, yeah yeah.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: So let's see where that is.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: That's on your Saturn line.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: So how old were you when you got pregnant?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: 35.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: 35.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, you were out of your Saturn return.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm like I would be wild if that was your Saturn return.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I think that was my move to japan, was my saturn return?
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, that makes sense.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: When you were telling the story I was wondering if that was yeah, if that was um, because, well, you have saturn in the 10th house, you have saturn in pisces, but, um, but yeah, no, that's so interesting.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I mean saturn, I mean it's lessons, it's karma, right, so if you like having a significant like event or something happen there, um, yeah, makes sense.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: And then let's see where you're living now, where that is okay.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: So it's on your mercury chiron line.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: So it's like there's an intersection there which for you, with a gemini rising mercury, rules your chart, so that theoretically would feel good, right, like being on your chart ruler.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Um, it's it literally.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: The first sentence says this is a place for rational transcendence.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how that resonates, but it says you communicate better than you ever have before.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: You absorb information, you think clearly and accurately.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Your thoughts and intuition become powerful partners.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: You're able to effectively communicate difficult and complex concepts, and your empathy gives others a feeling of confidence and trust.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: You feel as though you could read other people's minds.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: There is, uh, there is a suggestive and magical power in your words, which is due to your thinking, being guided not just by your logic but also by your gut intuition, and then chiron is always going to bring in like a little bit of that wounding you know.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: So there's going to be an element of that.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: But this I mean, if we're just going by, like paper, this yeah, yeah, like a pretty good place to live, like, just according to you know what rules it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting all that well because my friends who like know me, they're like how are you surviving on this remote island, like we know?
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you yeah and and and I'm like really a big part is that I do work online, like if I wasn't online or wasn't like having accountability partners, having at least one daily good, deep connection, because here this is a surfing area, like sometimes you meet really cool, you know insightful surfers, but a lot of times they're, you know, no diss to the surfers, just a different energy, yeah Right.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: And you know I love meeting people and I can do small talk, I can do all of it, you know.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: So it's it's fine for me, but you know, having those deep connections daily and and also like really for the first time, going having more time to make myself like, which I never wanted when I was younger, and as I get older it shifts, but I'm always going to go towards the people.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: If there's a chance to connect, I'm there.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: You know which is interesting because I see it in my charts, all of my charts.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: You know which is interesting because I see it in my charts, all of my charts.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I see it in my strengths.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I have there's kind of two strengths connected to people, and one is called woo, which actually means win others over, and I don't so strongly, I think, when I was younger, for sure and more in my ego.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be everyone's friend, but now I'm like this is it take it or leave it?
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll still like I love connecting with people.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: They friend.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: But now I'm like this is it Take it or leave it?
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll still like I love connecting with people.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: They can like me, they can not like me, I don't really care.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not attached to it as much, because I know I have more than enough friends, more than enough connections, and it's always fun to add.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: But I also have the one that you have, which is relator.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: But I don't typically embody that because I have the woo like it's my number two strength.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I have that much stronger.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: And my relator is like my seventh strength, and so I love going deep and I love one-on-ones, but I can also be in a group and be fine as well, like I can go either way, but I'm just not so closed in my circle, you know, and I'm I'm okay with small talk, like there's those differences, but I think it's also just getting older.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: My energy, yeah, I have, like I also in my 20s, as you mentioned your 20s before like I was a party girl my 20s, oh yeah, you know, and people who know me now they're like uh, do you eat meat?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: You know you drink like.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Everyone thinks I'm a vegetarian or vegan.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is fine if you are, you know, but I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm like, but I've almost always eaten mostly plant-based diet.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I eat a little bit of everything, you know.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: But people like, oh well, we just know you as healthy and I'm like I used to be, and now, even if there's a live band, I am dancing like crazy and people think I'm like drunk.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: This is just the wild party Tracy coming up that you don't ever see because there's no opportunity for her to come out.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: You know, most of the time.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you like the people who knew me in my twenties and if they like came across me now, would like not like night and day, just because yeah, yeah, I mean the same thing party girl.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: And I think I did it not because not for like being the son of retention, but like to feel like I like fit in, I think, because I've always had this like underlying depth and intensity and like wanting to go deep and and I've just never felt like I could connect with people unless I was drinking because, then it's almost more acceptable to like have that one intense night, and I'm not talking like sexually, but like just intellectually right or
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: like whatever people are more interested in, like astrology or like the world or the universe, when they've had a few drinks, right, and then it's like, and they're just like, oh wait, did I just bare my soul to that person?
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I can't talk to him today, you know, but like, but like now.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean now I'm not drinking currently, like, off and on it.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I mean I've always been.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I've been vegan since my daughter was born basically.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: So that's been like 14, 14, 15 years, so that that hasn't changed.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I used to smoke cigarettes for like 12 years, drinking drugs, all the things.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: And it's like now it's so much more intentional and and I do think that you know, going through those experiences, you know it, it's for a reason, and I don't forget any of it, it was a lot of fun.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I traveled the world and I partied in all the cities that I was in.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So you know it is what it is and I mean it was a great time, but it's just different you know it's, it's I value those experiences and I also value the connection with myself that I have now right, and the depth of the relationships.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Now, when I go deep with people, it's not because I'm trying to hide something or you know.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I can be honest about who I am and have those conversations, and I know that in the setting normally now that I meet people and have those, it's not a bar, you know, so it's a little bit more authentic.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's also the beauty of all of these things strengths, astrology, human design is that, like I would have said before, my strengths assessment, like I'm a very confident person, I know I'm confident, I'm capable, I'm blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: But also one of my strengths, self-assurance, like a deep knowing in the self.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: It's my 11 to 14, 15, but I really resonate with it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: But I know like, without a shadow of a doubt, understanding myself more through strengths, a doubt, understanding myself more through strengths, through astrology, through all of these things, make me even more confident.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: A but B, they also give me the words to simply describe myself, or what I'm doing or what I'm not doing, and understanding it, and not like shaming myself for not doing all of that behind the scenes work that just sucks all of my energy out.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's it's it's so powerful and I think actually it would be great for, like a job interview.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: You know, not that I'm never getting a job, it's been a long, long time since I've had one of those but, like you know, or just describing it or who you are or what you do, it's like I am really great at like learning information and sharing it with people, helping people go from good to better, better to best, and I'm like that's my number five and my number one.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: No wonder I love teaching and coaching and mentoring.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's all right there.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like all these things give you such good like verbiage to use in like different situations, and it's also learning.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Like I had a hard time um, articulating or talking about it without being like, well, mars does this Right.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: So, like now I've gotten to the point where I can just be like you know your attraction or the way that you use your energy, and it's taken a while to like get there.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: But I also think that's like a beautiful thing to be able to use that in conversation and also when you know somebody, like I would imagine if you know someone's strengths or like for me, knowing my kids astrology isn't, or anybody, because I have so many charts in my thing like I can like talk to them about their chart without talking to them about their chart you know, and they're just like oh yeah, that's true, yeah.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and, and you know, even if you don't have your, their chart right.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: When you know enough, you can start to see things.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Pick out the little words that they use, like the keywords like it's great, it's so.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: So many times in like podcast interviews or just like being out and around town, like I hear people say things and I'm like, oh, I bet you they're this, or I bet like even astrology, I bet you they're Virgo or something, and then we'll pull our chart and I'm like I knew it.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I, it's the same.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: It's the same with strengths, right Like it's it's all of them, and now I'm, now I'm starting to play with those ideas, with astrology, and then I'm like, okay, do you want to give me your birthday?
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Do you know your birth time?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Just just starting to play, but I'm starting to guess and see.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: It's fun, right, like it's fun.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: But it also gives you like not only knowing yourself, right, if you know enough and I mean really, like I said, I'm the baby in astrology and what I know, but I can still start to see things and I'm starting to guess, and it just gives you, it gives me like more understanding, more compassion, that continual reminder that we're all doing it our own way you know and you're like, oh yeah, that makes sense.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: She's struggling with this because she's a relationship builder and she's not an executor, or she's an executor.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: We had somebody actually on our team here in this, this project that I'm living in and working with in Sumbawa, and one of our Indonesian staff, one of the girls.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: She was a cause, we did their strengths.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: She was more an influencer but not a relationship builder, and so they were having problems because she was managing a team on like a construction site.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: But and she's this like teeny, tiny, like maybe five foot, if she is like little Indonesian woman bossing around all these guys but she would just be like she didn't.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Maintaining a relationship wasn't important to her.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hers was to move them forward to get the job done, but it was becoming and I heard this from like the founder of the project.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: He first told me about it and I looked at her strengths and I'm like, well, this makes a lot of sense.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: She's not a relationship builder, so that's not.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Her energy is focused.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Her energy is focused on getting the stuff done and it's helping them.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: She knows they're here and they need to get here to finish their job.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Her only focus is this, you know.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: But then we had to kind of do a little work on like, hey, let's look at how we're saying these words, let's look at what would be more effective.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: It's fun and it's fascinating, but at first, when this guy was complaining about her, I'm like, oh no, that makes so much sense.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: She's not a relationship builder, and the relationship builder would be the opposite.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: They would care more about the relationship than getting the thing done, you know.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: So there's a challenge in that as well.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're both a relationship builder and an influencer, right?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I think, like so often, and I just had a massive no-transcript.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: And it's like job listings.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: It's always like they always want all of these qualities where it's like okay.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: So you basically want like a triple Virgo with some capricorn in there.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: You know, like that's not, that's not reality like what people can offer.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: So it's just interesting, because everything's like organized, analytical, like super oriented, detail oriented, and this, that and the other thing.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like okay, but you know what about like creative and passionate and like, yeah, relationship building and, and you know, there's all these other things that we're not focusing on.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I think, or it forces us in a lot of situations to focus on the things that we don't have, and we're always trying to fill that instead of just focusing on the things that we're really, really good at.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's sort of the way that.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I've gotten, yeah, and my world, where I'm like I want to lean into, the things that, and especially as a generator, like I want to go to bed feeling so satisfied and just like like today, meant something.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I did something that lit me up and you know, the last job I had, I was coming home crying and feeling less than and I was like I don't want to.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: No job is worth worth this to me, you know.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: And so I think that it's so important to like reframe what success means to you, because like actually doesn't have to mean what you know.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Society says you need to make millions of dollars and own a Lamborghini and like all these things, like I could care less.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I just want to be able to travel, eat good food, you know, and like have a career and or a business.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: That, like truly lights me up.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Like the last couple of weeks I've been going to bed just like, oh, like this is it.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I'm so on purpose now, you know, and that's like the best feeling ever.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: But that's where I think all these tools are so beautiful to come in, help us.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: You know, even with the strengths, like, there were things that you told me in those sessions where I was like, oh, like, okay, I can focus on these and like let go of the other stuff, cause I'm not that person, you know, like those aren't where my gifts and strengths lie, and so that's something I've been thinking about a lot lately and I've been talking about it, you know, on social media and like on podcasts and reviews and stuff like that, cause it's like why are we so focused on what we don't have?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like we don't see our own gifts because they're so innate within us that we don't even recognize it.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: And we're always like, well, that person has this and that person has that.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: But then that person's probably like, well, wow, look at how good you are at this.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I don't have that.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: And it's like why don't we just stay in our own or even recognize our own?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: You know world, I don't know.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It's, it's.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I 100% hear you.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I think and I do think it's so true I mean, I was guilty of that as well Like because these things come so naturally to you, you don't always see it as a gift, like I used to be.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Like it's just who I am, that's just how I am, like I'm not doing anything, I'm just being me.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: And it was really when I started teaching, actually when I moved to Japan I don't know, even before Japan, I was teaching English as a second language, but still do it online because I just love connecting with new people around the world and learning about them and their culture and I love teaching.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: So I still do that a little bit now online.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: And then also then when I started working with clients, like they started giving me feedback that I would never things I wouldn't know about myself, like, oh, I feel so good after a class with you, like I'm almost going to cancel because I wasn't in the mood, but I knew I'd feel better at the end and I'm like, really I'm not doing anything.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Or they'd be like oh, your class, we always have so much to talk about.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: And some teachers they're like it's just silent sometimes or it's really awkward, and I'm like I don't even understand that sentence because, like never you know and and I kept getting feedback from people you know but like, even in my strengths, my number three strength is positivity and yeah, it's about being positive, but it even in my strengths.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: My number three strength is positivity and yeah, it's about being positive, but it's also about being very enthusiastic, which I just have always been, and like that's a strength.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: What, what you know?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: But that's a strength that is a relationship building strength that has influencing undertones, right, because then people will leave a conversation, a class, whatever, feeling better, feeling more inspired, and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's my positivity.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was a strength.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, you're just being you and it is hard to see, you know, and if I hadn't been in these roles where I was getting feedback, I'd still be like what?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know I've had that a lot, where people reflect things or say something and I'm like, oh, oh, I didn't realize I was doing that, or I didn't realize that that was something that was valued, or like that everyone doesn't do it Exactly, yeah, and well, I was just going to say what I'm noticing now, since I've really been, you know, doing this deep dive in strengths for the last few years, is almost every compliment I get now is connected to my top strengths, Like, and I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, of course.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Now I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, of course.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Now I'm like, oh, I'm of course very grateful, like any compliment.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: But I see it now I'm like, oh, I was getting those before but I didn't understand that those are actually my strengths.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: And then I get even more excited because I'm like, oh, I must be aligned.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: They're seeing the alignment?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: So where can people because I'm sure now they're going to want to learn more about this so where can they learn more?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: And then where can they connect with you, have a session with you, if, what offerings you have, if you want to just let yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: actually I still worry working on mapping out 2025.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Um, one of my strengths is, like it's my 11, which I don't super resonate.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: It's called focus and it's like loving to plan and organize, which I'd love to map it out.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: But then the second part of that strength is doing it and implementing, and that is where I so I can't choose that as one to add to my top 10.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: But I do like the planning and processing.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I'm in process.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm going off the Chinese New Year, right, which is still coming.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: The astrological New Year or the astrological right, the astrological New Year, but I will be offering, sometime this quarter actually, my first group coaching program for strengths.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: So right now I have just like a waitlist option and it's going to be cheap because it's the first time I'm doing it.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: It's very affordable.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: It'll be over three months, Like the first two months will go super deep.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: We'll do the top 10, bottom five, look at the 11 to 15.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: And then the last month will be more coaching on it and really connecting people or any you know questions, really getting people to embody their strengths and see how they can use them intentionally in their life, which is super fun and exciting.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: So that will be sometime this quarter.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: But, as I said, I do have a wait list for that and you can find me on my website is theholisticshebangcom Thank my niece for that fun name and it's also my Instagram, which is where I am at.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: You know me and social media we're still trying to figure it out.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: I'm there every day.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: It's been so fun to dive into this and yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: It is always a pleasure to connect.