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55KRC Wednesday Show - Ken Kober, Jack Atherton, AFP, Robert Sprague, Judge Napolitano · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 505-55KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday. Call Kenny Loggins because you're in the danger zone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of feel like that this morning. Brian
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  Speaker 1: kind of don't know which direction I want to go
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  Speaker 1: this morning, start locally or start globally. Lord Almighty, there's
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  Speaker 1: so many topics to talk about, and none of them
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  Speaker 1: is just reaching out and grabbing ahold of my attention.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where you come in, and you can feel
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  Speaker 1: moment in time on the morning show. That's when the
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  Speaker 1: guests begin. Ken Kober, FOP president. Ken Kober representing the
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police Department Union. And he's hoping that, remember the
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  Speaker 1: $ 23 million he talked about the other day with the
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  Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati? We've got leftover money from last year. Geez,
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  Speaker 1: we need to spend it. Fair enough. What are you
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  Speaker 1: going to spend it.
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  Speaker 3: On? Bargain.
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  Speaker 1: Are the police going to get any? Any of them
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  Speaker 1: going to go to public safety? I know the Newman
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  Speaker 1: golf course is looking forward to the brand new clubhouse.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, and I understand the reason why people are
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  Speaker 1: scratching their head. I mean, a lot of Republicans like
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  Speaker 1: what in God's name is Trump doing with this golf
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  Speaker 1: course thing? You know, cutting down a couple hundred trees,
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  Speaker 1: building a golf course in addition to the triumphal arch
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  Speaker 1: and all that. Eh, major distractions, yeah. Why is he
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  Speaker 1: doing it? I don't know. But in terms of priority,
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  Speaker 1: a golf course? I feel like I've been having a
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  Speaker 1: go at golf courses, and apologies to my late father,
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  Speaker 1: who dearly loved the game. But, you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: world of finite number of dollars and an infinite number
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  Speaker 1: of asks, which is always the case, you know, responsible
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  Speaker 1: officials are supposed to be responsible with allocating resources and money.
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  Speaker 1: What's the number one resource that we should dedicate money to?
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  Speaker 1: or the couple of them, right, things that go to
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  Speaker 1: allow us to, well, be prosperous and go out and
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  Speaker 1: make money and revenue and get on with our lives,
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  Speaker 1: like roads and bridges, infrastructure, safety. And infrastructure, I think,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of priorities, should probably include the infrastructure that
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  Speaker 1: we all rely on, all of us collectively, whether we're
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  Speaker 1: sitting at home as a shut-in, still need groceries, groceries
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  Speaker 1: require trucks on roads, roads need to be repaired and maintained.
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  Speaker 1: We need the roads. We need Anyway, so I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: Ken probably has a list of asks as well, and
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  Speaker 1: I would argue that public safety, to the extent there
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  Speaker 1: aren't sufficient resources in public safety in the city of
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati to get $ 23 million left over, I think it
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  Speaker 1: should go there, at least a sizable chunk of it,
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  Speaker 1: and not to a clubhouse on a golf course. But, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to go to affordable housing initiatives, at least
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  Speaker 1: $ 5 million allocation. That was yesterday's discussion at Sensei City Council.
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  Speaker 1: $ 5 million. Sensei Council's Budget, Finance, and Governance Committee advanced
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  Speaker 1: an ordinance, and this is a proposal that will probably
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  Speaker 1: be enshrined today. $ 5 million for affordable housing initiatives, $ 2
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  Speaker 1: million for the city's pension fund, from the $ 23 million carryover.
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  Speaker 1: What's to be done with the balance of the $ 23 million?
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  Speaker 1: I guess that remains to be seen. Anyway, apparently this
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  Speaker 1: carryover spending policy, they have a policy for that. It
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  Speaker 1: was just enacted this year. If you've got leftover money,
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  Speaker 1: the remaining funds should go toward capital expenses, this policy says,
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  Speaker 1: divided between city-owned assets and what in the hell does
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  Speaker 1: community projects mean? I guess that's where you end up
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  Speaker 1: with money going toward affordable housing. Anyway, under the policy,
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  Speaker 1: they say $ 3 million divided between infrastructure and capital project
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  Speaker 1: for city-owned assets and housing and economic development project reserve,
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  Speaker 1: which is a thing, initial cap on all that, for
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  Speaker 1: community projects. Apparently, Vice Mayor Jan Michelle Lemon Kearney wanted
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  Speaker 1: greater flexibility in allocating this money. I appreciate that. Nina
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  Speaker 1: Oliverio over the Cincinnati Exchange reporting on that one. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, greater flexibility over the determination of what is
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  Speaker 1: a community project.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you could drive a semi-tractor trailer truck through
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  Speaker 1: that reality. Anyway, she said the city could consider directing
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  Speaker 1: some of the funding toward operational needs and rental assistance.
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  Speaker 1: If you assist someone with the rent now, are they
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  Speaker 1: going to need assistance down the road? Will this become
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  Speaker 1: a permanent expenditure in the city budget? And will any
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  Speaker 1: money be left over for, well, public safety, generally speaking? Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Ken Cobral, to step into that one, I got an
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  Speaker 1: interesting reality coming out of New York about what the
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  Speaker 1: hell is affordable housing. God, when you get government involved,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. Nothing near affordable housing. Big picture with Jack Atherton. Question,
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  Speaker 1: are Democrats cool? Well, my immediate reaction is to say no.
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  Speaker 3: Anyhow.
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  Speaker 1: Social media might try to change young people's minds. Jack
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  Speaker 1: Atherton will explain that, as he does so brilliantly every
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday at 7.05 here on the 55KRC Morning Show. The
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  Speaker 1: return of Donovan O'Neill, American for our Prosperity. Good topics
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  Speaker 1: with Donovan, as is always the case, as we are
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  Speaker 1: tick-tocking away two weeks from the election. Make a plan,
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  Speaker 1: make a difference, and follow through. They're approaching 850,000 doors
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  Speaker 1: knocked in Ohio. That is hard work done by frontline
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  Speaker 1: folks with AFP, people like you who have decided that
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  Speaker 1: they are going to take a few moments of their
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  Speaker 1: time to try to save this country. I know that
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: sounds like an overly broad statement, but I think that
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  Speaker 1: it seems to me we're at that moment in time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one step behind France, maybe even a shorter step.
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  Speaker 1: A statewide day of action coming up on the 24th,
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  Speaker 1: and Obama coming to Cleveland on Saturday, campaigning for.
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  Speaker 1: Sherrod Brown. Or, as Tom Zalastowski refers to him as,
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: what did he call him? Sherrod Brown? Sherrod Brown? I
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  Speaker 1: think it was something along those lines. Anyway, Tom Zalastowski,
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  Speaker 1: we had a people convention on yesterday. Check out his
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  Speaker 1: rant at 55KRC. iheart. com if you didn't get a chance to
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  Speaker 1: listen live. Robert Sprague, he is running for Secretary of
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  Speaker 1: State here in the state of Ohio. I hope you
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  Speaker 1: got the memo on that one. I hope you're planning
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  Speaker 1: on voting for Robert. He'll join the program at 8.05.
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  Speaker 1: and then Judge Andrew Napolitano. Basically, it seems like Napolitano
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  Speaker 1: has given up on the Constitution. Sadly so, but he
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  Speaker 1: goes through the historical walkthrough in his op-ed piece from
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  Speaker 1: really early on in the Republic's founding all the way
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  Speaker 1: through modern times when every president, one after another after another,
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  Speaker 1: seems to have just thumbed his nose at the Constitution
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  Speaker 1: and the literal words that are there. Now, okay, going
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  Speaker 1: back to.
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  Speaker 1: This affordable housing thing is just funny. And the timing
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  Speaker 1: could be good. I saw this Wall Street Journal article
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  Speaker 1: about it because New York Governor Kathy Hochul had a
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  Speaker 1: ribbon-cutting event last week. And it wasn't for a skateboard
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  Speaker 1: park like Aftab would show up for. This was for
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  Speaker 1: a low-income housing project. And she made it a biblical thing.
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  Speaker 1: This is indeed the day the Lord has made, because
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  Speaker 1: especially after hearing the angelic voices of the choir, I
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  Speaker 1: closed my eyes and felt like I was in heaven already.
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  Speaker 1: But God, I'm not quite ready, so let me stay here.
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  Speaker 1: I've got more work to do. Cutting the ribbon on
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  Speaker 1: the affordable housing project with $ 270 million. It's in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 1: Will deliver, drumroll, $ 385 million. Permanent, this is in quotes,
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  Speaker 1: permanently affordable homes. That means, of course, rent restrictions. So
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  Speaker 1: just throw out the profit incentive idea. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to be pure government-owned funded housing. I can see no
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  Speaker 1: other way this would work. Journal points out, do the math.
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  Speaker 1: $ 700, 000 per unit. $ 700, 000. And some of the reason, I
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  Speaker 1: think rules, regulations, union contracts, expensive, absolutely. Projects apparently taking
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  Speaker 1: nearly a decade to complete. Mamdami's office at the city
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  Speaker 1: and the developer spent five years working with residents, community organizers,
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  Speaker 1: or community organizations, rather, and city leaders. The journal reads
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  Speaker 1: into that and says, well, that means trying to buy
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  Speaker 1: local support. Well, of course it is. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati, same kind of thing has
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  Speaker 1: to go on. We're going to do affordable housing. Who
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  Speaker 1: do you think they work with to come up with
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  Speaker 1: whatever action plan they have on whatever affordable housing means
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  Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati? I'm sure there was community
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  Speaker 1: outreach and community organizations. They probably even sat down with
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  Speaker 1: Iris Rowley and got her input on the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Developers have to do likewise to get city housing projects approved,
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  Speaker 1: which increases costs. On top of, yes, something else we
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  Speaker 1: have here, locally prevailing wage mandates. And then, of course,
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  Speaker 1: as the journal notes, add green building rules. Apparently, this
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  Speaker 1: particular affordable housing project incorporates all electric heating and cooling,
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  Speaker 1: solar panels, green roofs with drought resistance. vegetation, electric vehicle
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  Speaker 1: charging stations. For all those electric vehicles that these people
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  Speaker 1: who need rent subsidies and affordable housing, I'm sure they're
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  Speaker 1: parked up around the streets. Oh, where's my Tesla? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: and by the way, can you help me with rent assistance?
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  Speaker 1: And can you control rent restricted so it doesn't go
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  Speaker 1: up so I can stay living here Here, let me
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  Speaker 1: go charge my Tesla. Low-flow water fixtures, of course, LED lighting,
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  Speaker 1: and Energy Star appliances, all mandates that go into any
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  Speaker 1: housing in New York. Journalists suggest maybe the less expensive
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  Speaker 1: way to boost housing, roll back the state's 2019 rent
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  Speaker 1: stabilization law, which has caused landlords to lose money maintaining
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  Speaker 1: their leasing rent-stabilized apartments. 57,000 vacant apartments exist in the
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  Speaker 1: city of New York because of the rent control, rent stabilization. Alas,
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  Speaker 1: they conclude, Hochul doesn't want to take on Mamdami and Progressives.
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  Speaker 1: Albany not fighting with New York City, she said. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and of course, pivoting over to the taxpayers, you're the
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  Speaker 1: ones that are on the hook for all this, as
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  Speaker 1: you are with everything. See, but it'll work in the
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  Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. It won't be nearly that bad. Now,
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  Speaker 1: just trust them on that. 515, or 516, 55KRC, the
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  Speaker 1: around here. Ah, something that doesn't change the phone number. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK,
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  Speaker 1: 550 on AT & T phone. My senior friends, you
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  Speaker 1: may say the day in the elections. I thought this
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  Speaker 1: was a rather interesting analysis because we all know we
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  Speaker 1: can't trust polls as I stare at a poll, which
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  Speaker 1: is a frightening one. Four in 10 college students think
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  Speaker 1: that people should face criminal prosecution for expressing opinions they
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  Speaker 1: find offensive. Some elected officials think that young people are
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  Speaker 1: going to face criminal prosecution if they work for the
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  Speaker 1: Trump administration. Four in 10 agree offensive speech should be
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  Speaker 1: subject to criminal prosecution. 45% of students believe violence is
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  Speaker 1: acceptable to stop what they believe to be offensive speech. Well,
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  Speaker 1: whether that poll is accurate or not, here's something to
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  Speaker 1: consider and ponder and perhaps maybe encourage a bit of hope. Question,
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  Speaker 1: can the polls be trusted? This is a Washington Times breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: They interviewed some pollsters about this. And, of course, we
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  Speaker 1: go back to last high-profile elections, election cycles. They were
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  Speaker 1: way off, and nobody believes polls anymore because they missed
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  Speaker 1: by double-digit margins. And the point is, fewer people pick
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  Speaker 1: up calls from unknown numbers. That would be me, although
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  Speaker 1: I never took a survey or a poll ever in
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  Speaker 1: my entire life, way before we had cell phones and
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  Speaker 1: caller ID and all that. But obviously, with spam everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: fewer people picking up any calls if they don't recognize
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  Speaker 1: the number. Response rates are dropping. Campaigns having to deal
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  Speaker 1: with whatever leftover information they had from prior cycles to
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  Speaker 1: sort of try to figure out who's going to actually
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  Speaker 1: show up on Election Day. And I talked to CNN
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  Speaker 1: data analyst Harry Enten. He said even modest myths in Republicans'
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  Speaker 1: favor could scramble the expectations, flipping Democrat-held Senate seats like Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: and even help Republicans hold a House that historically has
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  Speaker 1: been tough for the President's party to keep in the midterms.
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  Speaker 1: If the polls underestimate Republicans by two to four points, basically,
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  Speaker 1: he pointed out, all this goes out the window. Pivoting over,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Towery, he's a pollster for the GOP. I thought
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  Speaker 1: this was interesting. Silver Wave. He said polls are missing
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  Speaker 1: this key dynamic, the senior vote, and a possible surge
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  Speaker 1: of older voters that could expose flaws in the polling
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  Speaker 1: and reshape the outcome this election cycle. The early voting
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  Speaker 1: offers some hints. He said, look, check it out. In Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: fewer than 70,000 early votes have come from the 18
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  Speaker 1: to 29-year-olds who many say are just, well, I can't
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  Speaker 1: wait to get out and vote. The They're so charged
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  Speaker 1: and they're so interested in change and moving over to
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  Speaker 1: socialism and they've all got this pent-up demand to vote. No,
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  Speaker 1: not so. 70,000 early voters between 18 and 29-year-olds, 549,000
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  Speaker 1: early votes from 65 and older folks. Ohio, 406,000 early
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  Speaker 1: votes from seniors, fewer than 50,000 from the 34 and
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  Speaker 1: under folks. Terry said, you know, All this nonsense you
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  Speaker 1: heard about young people storming the polls and they're going
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  Speaker 1: to change everything, it's not taking place. Trafalgar Group, Robert Cowhey,
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  Speaker 1: he runs a polling there, said voters 50 and older
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  Speaker 1: are far more willing to vote than younger Americans. Seniors
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  Speaker 1: less enthusiastic about Trump in 2024 than about past Republican
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  Speaker 1: nominees are still moving back toward the GOP, he said.
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  Speaker 1: even though they may not all love Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because they're old enough to remember, I guess, communism, the
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  Speaker 1: Soviet Union, the concerns that they're unfolding in Europe, the
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  Speaker 1: shift towards socialism there, the DSA candidates that have been
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  Speaker 1: winning primaries and now leading in some of the polls
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  Speaker 1: here in the United States, which the seniors, like me,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm 61, but I'm not in that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the old, older crowd, but still, we're like, what? This
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  Speaker 1: is going on in America, an America that I remember,
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  Speaker 1: if you even said the word socialism in a positive light,
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  Speaker 1: let alone communism, you were ostracized by society. An age
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  Speaker 1: that has a specific recollection, even though it was prior
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  Speaker 1: to my time of the McCarthy era, when, yeah, people
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  Speaker 1: were blacklisted for being communists. Now, you can say all
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: you want about that being inappropriate. We like freedom of
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  Speaker 1: speech here in this country. But, you know, doxing goes
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  Speaker 1: on now. That was essentially the flip side of left-wing doxing.
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  Speaker 1: It was right-wing doxing. They didn't have doxing back then,
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  Speaker 1: but they could hold you out in public and put
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  Speaker 1: you on a list, which would prevent others from hiring you,
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  Speaker 1: and that's going on in the left wing now. Also,
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  Speaker 1: this Calhoun University polls, you can look at those, but
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  Speaker 1: they overrepresent college-educated voters, and college kids tend to be
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  Speaker 1: higher income, mommy and daddy paying for the university degree
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  Speaker 1: at this highfalutin six-figure annual tuition place. So they're part
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  Speaker 1: of the old blue-haired liberal trend. I guess, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: long-winded rambling thing to point out, seniors, you may hold
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  Speaker 1: the key to this election.
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  Speaker 3: May.
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  Speaker 1: But every vote counts, and every vote is going to matter.
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  Speaker 1: And I hope this enthusiasm that is reflected in the
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  Speaker 1: article talking about the enthusiasm that so far has manifested
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  Speaker 1: itself in seniors' early voting continues all the way through
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  Speaker 1: Election Day. You can make a huge difference. Listeners out
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  Speaker 1: there who have a senior in their world, maybe someone
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  Speaker 1: who might find it a struggle, difficulty to get to
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  Speaker 1: the polling place on election day, pick them up, take
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  Speaker 1: them over to vote. Get on down to the board
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  Speaker 1: of elections right now. Swing on over to the senior center, mom, dad,
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  Speaker 1: where their friends are, and get the whole friends into
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  Speaker 1: the van or the SUV or whatever you've got. Take
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  Speaker 1: them all to the polling place. Hey, it's a free ride.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, if you come and vote today with me,
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  Speaker 1: I'll buy you an ice cream or a cup of
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  Speaker 1: coffee or whatever. It can be done. 526, 55KRC, the
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  Speaker 1: talk station. Dave, hang on. Dave may be on a list,
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  Speaker 1: which we all found out we probably all are. Don't
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  Speaker 1: go away. It's 526 right now, 55KRC, the talk station. 55KRC.
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  Speaker 1: It's 530 on a Wednesday, and a happy Wednesday to you. 503-749-5500, 800-823-TALK,
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  Speaker 1: have local stores, but I got Dave on the phone. Dave,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for holding up with the rec. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: morning show.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, good morning. I'm a retired IRS revenue agent. I
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  Speaker 5: have a master's degree in taxation, passed the CPA exam,
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  Speaker 5: and I wanted to talk about tax Smith a little.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: The income tax in this country is based on a
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  Speaker 5: tautology known as voluntary compliance. The taxpayer provides sufficient information
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  Speaker 5: for his ability to determine what the tax bill is,
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  Speaker 5: and then signs under penalty of perjury that this is true.
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  Speaker 5: That's a lot of information. That's a lot of risk
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  Speaker 5: of self-incrimination, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there is supposed to be a Chinese wall between
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  Speaker 5: the Treasury Department and the IRS and the Justice Department
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  Speaker 5: requiring that your rights are protected. Well, Jack Smith blew
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  Speaker 5: a hole in that as big as Texas, didn't he?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he did, without question.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well.
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  Speaker 5: Like Humpty Dumpty, I don't think you can put that
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  Speaker 5: together again, and I don't think the taxpayers are going
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  Speaker 5: to have much luck trusting the IRS with their information
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  Speaker 5: from this moment on. That's a big problem.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Dave, let me just throw this analogy that just
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  Speaker 1: popped in my head. Maybe you can find fault with it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I might find fault in my own analogy as I
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: talk about it, but isn't that kind of akin to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a data breach? Every once in a while you get
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a notice that your information has appeared in the dark web.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I'm a member of some, you know, protection, like LifeLock.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I got a LifeLock membership. Every once in a while, hey,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: your information has been released. And I'm kind of used
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to it by now, and the bell can't be unrung.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I can't get that out of the ether. It's out there.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So isn't this kind of the same thing? Whether or
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: not it's criminal, whether or not it violated laws or statutes,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: once the bell has been rung, can anything be done
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to unring it? So I'm not quite sure. I mean,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: we learned a lot about the NSA violating the Fourth
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Amendment and snooping on our text messages and our phone conversations.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: because we just happen to have a friend who's a
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: foreign national. That information's out there. I presume it's on
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: some database someplace, Dave. Now, there could be a mechanism,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: going back to your point, this was a breach of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the separation, the Chinese wall that's supposed to be in place,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They could put another law in there saying, well, yeah, yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the information's here and we're not going to let anybody
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: search it or whatever. But that doesn't mean someone won't
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: violate that law and go ahead and search it again,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: which we know happens. It's like flock cameras. You're not
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: supposed to search flock cameras for your own personal girlfriend
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: stalking reasons, but people end up doing it anyway. Not
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: quite sure what to make of it, but I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: once that information's out, we can just give up hope
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that it's ever going to be pulled back, clawed back,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: or otherwise walled off from people snooping that within government.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, can we say Chinese data center?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: It's the problem with hacking. I mean, you think about
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: how bad this can be, Dave. Hatter is always talking
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: about the security should be primary, job one before you
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: do anything. I mean, if some nefarious kid in the basement,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I always like to think about a 12-year-old who's figured
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: out how to hack into a government database. But anyway,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you've got the weight and power of the Chinese government
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And their cash and their unlimited resources 24-7 engaging in
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: hacking efforts, you would think that at some point, yeah,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that's probably going to bear fruit if it hasn't already. Dave,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: do you think if it has happened that we would
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: know about it, that the government, I mean, any administration
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: would let the American people know that, oh, parenthetically, the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party hacked into the IRS records and literally
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: got everything. Sorry, you know, sucks to be you, but
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: this is the connected world we live in. I don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: think they'd let us know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: It would be that all.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Your information was shipped to a coal mine in West
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Virginia and was not on a database, but that's no
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: longer true, so that's all in the hands of whoever
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: punched through that hole Jack Smith made.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: And on the McCarthyism, I was about stunned, and he
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: had blacklisted combat veterans who knew my father, and now
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: they want to know if I bought a red hat.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: It's a Yeah, things get better, don't they?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: James calls in, everyone saw the pendulum swinging back and forth.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: How about that pendulum swing, Dave? God bless you, sir,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and thanks for weathering through the IRS all those years,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I guess. Learned a lot there, I'm sure. Real quick here,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: breaking story from this morning, shocking literally no one. Investigations underway.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: 43-year-old man shot in Lincoln Heights this morning. Hamilton County
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office showed up at 9 o'clock on Matthews Drive,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: 1 o'clock this morning. Victim shot in the shoulder. Fortunately,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a non-life-threatening injury. Taken at a UC Medical Center, according
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to the emergency communication report. Multiple shell casings found on
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the scene. The residents shot up, according to the report
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: from the sheriff's office. There is your, well, first gunshot
• 22:59
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• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Plenty to talk about coming up. Stack is stupid, of course.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I prefer hearing from you. You got some comments. Give
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: me a call. I'll be right back.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: 55KRC.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Could you use a hand with Get Detox Station? 539
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: at 55KRC Detox Station. Happy Wednesday. Another thing with Dave's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: call there. I just announced yesterday Trump's going to give
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: whistleblowers 1% commission when they turn people in who they
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: believe have committed tax fraud. Or pretty much any other
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: kind of fraud, like Nick Shirley, who happened to be
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: on stage with Trump when he made the announcement, saluting
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Nick Shirley for his efforts in revealing widespread fraud in Minnesota.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So you
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: too can be Nick Shirley and cash in on it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I love the example he cited. Well, if it's a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: $ 10 billion deal, a billion dollar deal, we're giving up 1% commission.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. Over to the Stack is Stupid. Well,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and part of me wants to say this is you
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and I spying on our fellow citizens, which sort of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: had a tinge of more oppressive regimes relying on the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: populace to act as pretty much a secret service. So anyway,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: draw your own conclusions from that. There's some good in
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: there and there's some bad. The Stack is Stupid. Why
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: is a nine-year-old on social media? He asked as he
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: reads an article about a New Orleans nine-year-old boy who's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: now 70% burned. Badly because he participated in a fire challenge.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? There is no explanation, me.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: The fire challenge described as simply daring children to set
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: themselves on fire. An unnecessary statement from the New Orleans
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: police superintendent. It's very dangerous. It is not fun and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it is not funny. Well, thanks for that revelation. Fire
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Department chief said the nine-year-old is in unbearable pain, lucky
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to be alive. Apparently, they recorded a video for social
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: media warning children not to take part in the trend,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: these two public officials. Kids, don't fall for the gimmick.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Don't feel peer pressure to take part in it. Your
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: life is not worth it. And I suppose some child
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: on social media. So you have the adults saying don't
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: do it, and you have the rest of social media
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: telling you to do it. What do you do? Set
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: yourself on fire? Thank you, Joe Strecker. The challenge this
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: morning comes again from the smoking gun. Can he deal
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: with FCC compliance? Let's call it, Joe, rather than the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: word they use, beginning with a D, let's call it
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like they used to call it, a marital aid. Phrasing?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Criminal case against an elderly couple who started fighting over
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a missing marital aid.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: What?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors haven't opted to pursue a felony battery charges against
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Stanley Spink, 71 years old, and Sheila Pavilek, 66. Although
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the evidence is legally sufficient, they said, we're not going
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to go through with this in connection with the sex
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: toy-related fracas that happened in their residence. In a recent
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: court notice, the assistant state attorney stated that, quote, the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: facts of the case make the conviction at trial unlikely,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and a continued prosecution would not be appropriate use of resources. So,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: after dating on and off for about a year, this
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: couple got engaged in May and subsequently began living together
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: in Spink's residence in Lake Griffin Isles mobile home community.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Police were dispatched there one morning in reference to a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: physical altercation. During separate interviews, the couple both cited the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: missing marital aid. Spink said his fiancée was up was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: upset because she could not locate said marital aid and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: blamed him for stealing it. Pavlik, for her part, said
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the future spouse, quote, stole her, and I'll insert marital aid,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and she cannot locate it, close quote. Just walk away.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what happened to the marital aid. It chose
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to just walk away, Joe, because it didn't want to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: be involved with either of them. The vanished marital aid
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: triggered an argument during which Pavilek allegedly slapped Spink in
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the head and then forcefully grabbed her left forearm, leaving
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: his bride-to-be with a red abrasion. Both booked into the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: jail in battery of a person 65 and older described
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: as a third-degree felony. Initially, they were barred from having
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: any contact with each other, but that was set aside,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: granting the defense motion requesting that Spink and Pavilek be
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: allowed to connect. Phrasing. That's exactly where I was going, Joseph.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: That's the word used in the article. Let's go to Florida.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Woman's taken into custody.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: As is tradition.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: You know it. After she allegedly attempted to pick an
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: elementary school student up while intoxicated. 28-year-old Rebecca Beard, Palm Coast, Florida,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: arrested after the school staff reported she appeared to be
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: impaired while trying to pick up a child from the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Wadsworth Elementary School. Staff alerted the school resource deputy. They said,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Rebecca Beard. struggled to enter the building, had slurred speech
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and glassy eyes, and could not legibly write the name
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of the student she wanted to sign out. Deputies said
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: they smelled alcohol on her breath and said she was unsteady.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Slurred speech, appeared tired. She said she had taken prescription
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: medication the night before and was drowsy, which is in
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and of itself a reason you should be behind the wheel.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Liam. Surveillance footage showed her driving erratically into
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the school parking lot, During a field sobriety exercise, the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: deputy said she repeatedly failed to follow instructions and struggled
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to keep her balance. Two breath samples provided after her
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: arrest resulted in blood alcohol concentrations of, wow,. 298 and. 294,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: more than three times the Florida legal limit. They also
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: found a large, this is telling, empty vodka bottle beneath
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the back passenger seat of the car. Sheriff Rox Daly
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: said the school alerted deputies. They intervened before she could
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: drive away with the student. He thanked the whole staff for, well,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: doing the right thing. She's been arrested. She was charged
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and well, later released on a $ 1, 000 bond. Who's teaching
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: your children? 545-55-KRC-D Talk Station. More Stupid coming up. I'll
• 29:46
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• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to the Stack of Stupids. Or call, if you want, 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: More drunk women in the stack of stupid. Joe's on
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a trend here. We've got a bunch of them.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: As is tradition.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Amen, brother. Go to Georgetown, Kentucky, where prosecutors say a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: woman there is accused of hitting an elementary school student
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: at a bus stop and has been charged with DUI.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Ashley Parsons, charged with DUI, assault, reckless driving, and leaving
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the scene of an accident after police say she hit
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a student at a bus stop. This happened in August. Apparently,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: her attorney asked the other day for a judge to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: change her bond conditions. Currently being held on a $ 50, 000
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: full cash bond, attorney asked the court to increase it
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to $ 100, 000, but only with 10%, meaning she only needed
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: $ 10, 000 secure release. 10% is usually kind of like a norm.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors presented testimony from the Georgetown police officer to present
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the argument that they need to keep the bond where
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: it is. Officer Isaac Shelton testified the bus driver told
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: police the stop arm was extended and that they tried
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to get the car to stop by honking the horn.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: That didn't work. Shelton testified once the officers identified the location, Parsons,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: she showed signs of attackation, had fresh damage to the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: front of her car, and during police questioning after the crash,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: she admitted to drinking half a gallon of vodka every
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: day after work and then driving around town. Huh, Officer Shelton.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I asked her if she recalled seeing a school bus,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and at that point, Ashley Parsons stated that she remembered
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: seeing a stopped school bus, but she did not remember
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the stop sign being out or any children being present.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: You know the little stop sign that pops out of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the side of the bus? Yeah, that one. Defense attorney
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: argued the current bomb mandates detention, even though the charges
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: are still allegation. Prosecutors argue it's a serious charge involving
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: a child in the community that Parsons allegedly fled the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: scene of the crash after the serious injury. Charges include
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: violent felony carrying a sentence of 10 to 20 years
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and that the bond should reflect that. This sounds like
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: an argument to be hammered out in Hamilton County, right? Oh, no,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that's right. They just let everyone out on their own
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: recognizance in Hamilton County, including at the whim and will
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of the prosecutor's office, who apparently here have no objections
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to that. Davenport, Iowa. Iowa man facing several charges after
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: authorities said she crashed her car with a child inside.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Ready?
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: While drunk.
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: As is tradition.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Kayla DeLay, 36 years old, facing charges including child endangerment
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: resulting in bodily injury, having an open container, operating while intoxicated,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and possessing a controlled substance. Taken into custody she was
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: after police responded to a reported crash in Rockingham Road
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: involving a vehicle that had collided with a telephone pole.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Delay seen walking away from the crash with her child.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Police locator, they noted seeing bruising and swelling on the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: child's face. Court documents show the child's nose was also bleeding.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: That child taken to the hospital for treatment. Officers at
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the scene reported the delay unsteady while walking, smelled of alcohol,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and they also said she had slurred speech, bloodshot, and
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: watery eyes. She admitted to driving the vehicle and that
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: her child was in the backseat at the time of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the crash. Police found an open container of alcohol in
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the vehicle as well as a THC vape in her purse.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: She refused some field sobriety tests and breathalyzer, booked into
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the Scott County Jail before bonding out the same day.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And let's pivot over to the other side of law enforcement.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: The law enforcement officers, Orlando, Florida, off-duty Haines City police
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: officer arrested on suspicion of driving drunk in his marked
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: patrol car. 29-year-old Joseph Everett arrested Saturday afternoon after the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Orlando Police Department received multiple calls about a Mark Haynes
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: City Police vehicle driving recklessly in downtown and traveling the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: wrong way down a one-way street. Yes, there's video of this.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Showing the police car driving into oncoming traffic near City Hall,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: as well as other buildings in the downtown Orlando area.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: What was in the car? An open container of Joe
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Strecker for Loco. in plain view in the passenger compartment.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Investigators say Everett, who was not wearing the police uniform
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: at the time or insignia, smelled strongly of alcohol and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: had bloodshot and watery eyes. Continuing a trend here in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the stack of stupid this morning. Stumbled, lost his footing
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: while trying to stand up. He claimed he was on
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: his way to see his children. When Everett asked an
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Orlando police officer to unlock his cell phone so he
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: could call his wife, Everett repeatedly provided seven digits for
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: a six-digit passcode. He declined to participate in the field
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: sobriety test. He was arrested and taken to the Orange
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: County DUI testing center where he was given a breathalyzer test.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: First test, blood alcohol content 0.266, more than three times
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the 0.08 limit to legally drive in Florida. Second one
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: showed him a BAC of 0.265.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Terminated from the Haines City Police Department. while he was
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: still incarcerated in the Orange County Jail, later released from
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: custody on a $ 1, 500 bond. That's a career ender right there. 555-55KRC,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the talk station. Looks like, James, you're going to have
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to hold, man. I'm out of time. I just looked
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: up and saw there were some callers up there. We'll
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: take more calls. Got more topics to dive on into
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: in the 6 o'clock hour. Be right back. The future
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: of America.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Socialism had no idea it was that radically left.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Is heard here. The talk station. And it's 606-55-KRC, Detox Station.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday. Try to make it so anyway. Feel free
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to give me a call if you like. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Pound 550 on AT & T phones before we get
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to the callers. Got a couple online. And the developments
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: on this acting thing was kind of wild. You know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the charges, her mom is calling her a liar and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: says she's been a liar her whole life. And then
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: we find out about all the rape allegations or stepfather
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: charged with rape when she was 12 years old. Apparently
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: allegations said it happened over a couple of years. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: so now What became as a really wow moment yesterday
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: has turned into an attack on the Ramaswamy campaign for
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: running the ad. There's an argument in there. And, you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Mike Wilson, Mr. Tea Party himself, has critical of the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Ramaswamy campaign for running this ad in light of the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: underlying details, which, to be kind of candid with you,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I had no idea about the other day when we
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: first realized this revelation. But before I go to the callers,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: hang on. FOP President Ken Cober, bottom of the hour.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: He's hoping some of the $ 23 million the city didn't
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: spend last year that they're desperately running around trying to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: figure out what projects to throw that money at, whether
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: public safety might get a little bit of that jack.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Big picture with a jack out of it and come
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: up in an hour. Are Democrats cool? You can answer
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that question. Donovan Neal, Americans for Prosperity, a big topic
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: list with him. Roberts Bragg, Secretary of State candidate Roberts Bragg,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: 8.05 on the program, and then Judge Anna Napolitano at 8.30.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Over to the phones. Who's first there, Joseph? Mississippi James,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. Hearing a lot from you lately.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, Dr. Brian. Brian, you know I love you, man.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that, James. I love you, too. No reason
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: not to.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Right. And you have carved out a good little niche
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: for yourself. And you know I always tell you I
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: agree with you 70% to 80% of what you're saying.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: But you're only saying 50% of what needs to be said.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Well, true.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: True.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I do have a bias. It is a libertarian-leaning bias.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Let me finish this last statement to go with that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, go ahead.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: And then that's because you're a linear thinker. Don't make
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: you a bad person or a great person. Just the
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: way that you think, linear, versus a circular thinker. Go ahead, though.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: No, I'm entitled to bias. I mean, everybody knows I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: try to advance limited government principles on the program. I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: believe in your ability to make choices for yourself. I
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: believe you can live your life the way you want
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to live it without my influence over it. And I
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: just want the government to stay out of my life
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to the extent fully possible, which I believe benefits every American.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I will advance that narrative under any
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: particular topic that leads me in that direction. And I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: do not need to bother with supporting or trying to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: analyze somebody else's alternative viewpoint. I will allow them on
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: their morning show program to cover that or like you,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to call me up and advance an alternative theory and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: talk about it. That's why I like the phone-in component
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: of the morning show, James.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Now, like you just said about that commercial, I guess
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Amy Actis.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Now that her mother had come to find out all
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: this assault and abuse was going on. But that's our political, politic, government,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: putting all this stuff out there. You know, if the
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: people don't think for themselves or do some research... Or whatever.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: You know, if it leads, it leads.
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: Yes, sir.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: We've got to get out of that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: We've got to get out of that. We've got to
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: start healing, you know, from the inside out, not just
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: putting a bandage. And a tourniquet, you know, that stops
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: the bleeding until you get to a better place.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, if people were rational, reasonable, had ethics
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and morals, we were all striving to be the best
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: people we can be, we wouldn't be having this conversation
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: about the attack against Amy Acton. But we all know
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: if it bleeds, it leads. Going back to Al Shadalcotti
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: here locally, back in the 1960s, he was blood and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: guts out for a reason, because people always watched it. Clickbait. James,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: why do you think they post these outrageous stories from
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the four corners of the globe on the front page
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of every Internet site out there? Clickbait. People still are
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: desirous to do that. People used to pay five bucks
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: or whatever the cost of living reduction is to get
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: into a circus sideshow to see freaks and weirdos. You
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: know what? That's because people are attracted to the crazy
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and insane out there. If you want to advance your
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: political campaign, sadly, apparently you got to wallow in the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: muck of that reality. It's human nature that leads people
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to click on this stuff and be interested in it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: They're just playing in the psychologically, you know, psychological landfill
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: or landmine filled field that the world's built on. I
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: don't like it, James, but that's how it is, right?
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: And you know, from the city I'm from, Meridian, Mississippi,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: a little community about 33,000, and I'm trying to push
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: this narrative to change it. And part of what I
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: tell them is Meridian got the opportunity to be the
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: template for Mississippi. Mississippi can be the template for the
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: United States, but we got to change the way we think.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: and coming together. The Mississippi's been in the news a
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: whole lot lately here, and I'll be going down there
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: next month. I think I'll make you last November.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Listen to lunch.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: And I tell them, we got a bag back from,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know people at the state level. I'm not
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: that important. I don't know people at the federal level.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: But I know we got to detach ourselves from that
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: negative rhetoric. I got kicked off the radio the other
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: day because I should have used the word quagmire, but
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I used the first part, cluster, and the second part
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: got me kicked out.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll do it, James.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: So I went back. So I say... I went back
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: and read the words that'll get you kicked off, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: it's seven words that'll get you kicked off.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just go back to the George Carlin comedy record
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: from the 70s, and you can pretty much come up
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: with a definitive list of what's going to get you
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: chucked off, although I wouldn't just limit it to that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: James, I appreciate it. You know, I know you come
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: from a good place, and I know what you want
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: is the right thing for the world, but, you know.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: People aren't interested in being logical, reasonable, or even ethical.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: We live in terrible political times, and I think the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Internet has driven us in that direction. Just on steroids,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you talk about exponential progressions, like a geometric progression of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: vile anger, vitriol, hatred, division, and, of course, attack ads,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: which you can complain about all day long. I've been
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: living with them my entire life. It's just the bar's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: been lowered so many places. Everywhere around us, the bar's
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: been lowered. And, of course, you'd expect that to creep
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: over into politics. Short attention span theater. What do you
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: remember about, you know, the campaign ads? What do you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: remember about candidate X or Y? Probably the one that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: was clickbait. And there are lies coming from both sides
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: of the equation. I appreciate it, James. Bobby's got it. Bobby,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: welcome to the morning show and a happy Wednesday to you.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: Good morning, my friend. Faith, flag, family, and you know
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: the rest.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: What?
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: I tell you what, yesterday was a stellar day. It
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: was beautiful weather, and we had three incidents yesterday. We
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: had a shooting in Lincoln Heights, had the Western Hills
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: shooting at Kroger's, and we had a murder in Fairfield.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Oh, well.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Well, the Lincoln Heights one was this morning, actually, so
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: that was today.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay. I just wanted to make sure the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: record was clear. I've got that story right.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: We want to make sure we handicap them right.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That day is tomorrow for you, Bobby, the handicap day.
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: Can I mention something about the $ 27 million.
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: They have that they don't know what to do with?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: $ 23 million. Knock yourself out, because FOP President Ken Cobra
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: is going to be talking about that very topic at
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: the bottom of this hour.
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: How about the pension fund that they're upside down on
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: for the city of employees?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: $ 2 million is going to that, according to the reporting
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: this morning.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's real nice.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Two. It's short a little bit more than $ 2 million, right, Bobby?
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Well, look at it this way. What was that skate
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: park they ended up doing with $ 1.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: 5 million?
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: They got anybody on skateboards on that thing? I don't know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I don't hang out at skate parks and really don't
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: really hang out at golf courses either. But remember, Newman's
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: going to get a new clubhouse, and boy, we are
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: all sitting around waiting for that to happen because that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: will be the thing that saves the city, won't it?
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: It doesn't get any better than that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: We can all make fun of Donald Trump, the triumphal archer,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: him building a golf course in the middle of all
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: those political turmoil and wars going on in the world.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: But in the middle of financial struggles and deteriorating infrastructure
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati, the last thing on my
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: list would be a new clubhouse at a golf course.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Or then again, the last thing on my list, even
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: in a financially stable time period, would be public money
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: being thrown at a golf course. Bobby, appreciate the call
• 44:44
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• 44:48
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• 44:52
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• 44:54
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• 45:03
  Speaker 1: on AT & T phones. Care to comment? Love to
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: hear from you. Yeah, the back and forth on this
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Amy Acton ad has really kind of been wild because
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: yesterday it was sort of, I didn't know anything about
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: her alleged childhood abuse. They did arrest her dad at
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: one point. He fled, apparently, and became a fugitive of
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the state until his death in 2004 after pleading not
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: guilty to the allegations back then. And according to the
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: reporting from WCPO, police tried to find him for a
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: number of years. They didn't, clearly. And apparently he and
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Amy Acton's mom moved to Pennsylvania. She stayed with this guy.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: So label him a creep, that's fine. But I didn't
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: know anything about that when it came out. Is it
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: me for fair to look into Amy Grant background, Amy
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Acton's background all the way back to when she was 12?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Was this widely published and known? And to the extent
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it was, then maybe you got a good argument because, well,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: mom stayed with the alleged rapist. So I can imagine
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a strange relationship, but apparently they haven't had contact in
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a long time. So I'm declaring that she is an
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: unfit mother. One random Republican interviewed by WCPO, I don't
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: know a good mother who would ever do that to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: her child, so she's clearly an unfit mother. Well, my
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: reaction initially was, well, yeah, it's really surprising that any
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: mother would come out and say that, which makes it
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: so profoundly informative on one level. The person who would presumably,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: when you don't know the underlying circumstances, presumably would know
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: more about her own child, then you and I might
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: know about a candidate. When the mom labels her own
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: child a pathological liar, in essence, then you're like, that's
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: when your ears perk up and you go, wow, really?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: This is really unheard of. But then when you find
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: out the backstory, then the attack turns to Vivek Ramaswamy,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and why would anyone stoop so low as to release
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the campaign ad? make the charges. You know, Mike Wilson
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: of Profound Conservatives did the same thoughtful analysis on his
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: online Facebook post about this. You know, I find it
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: in poor taste. Using a candidate's documented childhood sexual abuse
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and a parent who sided with the accused is a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: low tactic, even against someone I disagree with politically. But
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: he pivots over, and here's where I come down. It
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't change my assessment of Acton's qualifications or record. But
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of, and I know this is a stretch,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: but trust me, man, I work in stream of consciousness here.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: The mom who killed her three kids, the whole trial
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: pivoted over to sympathy for the mom. She's got psychological troubles.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: It excuses the underlying murder of the children. Okay, so
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Amy Acton experienced these terrible things when she was a child.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Does that cover for her incompetence as a candidate? Does
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: sympathy override the qualifications for the job? And that's what
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: seems to me to be all the posts this morning,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: like as if it was a terrible idea to run this.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: And I can concede some points on that, knowing now
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: what I know. But it's all cloaked in sympathy for
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Amy having lived through this horror when she was a
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: young person. And no one wants to have to go
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: through that. And I'm sure there's victims out there that
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: can describe the horror of living through that and the
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: lasting trauma that it's created throughout their entire life. Fine.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: It's true. I wish that had never happened to anybody.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: But if you're building a resume to express your qualifications
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: for high office, and in Ohio there is no higher office,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: would you put that down on your resume? I'm a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: survivor of child abuse. And that relates to budget decisions,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: government decisions, taxation decisions, property taxes, for example, energy issues,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: all of the issues that the governor's office is going
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to be charged with dealing with. I don't think it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a relative component, but, you know, this is what I see.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: It is an opportunity to she's the victim and who's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the one who's responsible for her victimhood. Well, now it's
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: not her stepfather. It's Vivek Ramaswamy somehow. I can't link
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the two. So I'm going to stick with what I've
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: originally decided early, early, early on. Vivek Ramaswamy, demonstrably far
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: more competent. He's shown a background in business. Successful it was. No,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: he didn't take a pharmaceutical that worked away from anyone.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: There's a lie that's been perpetuated. How come WCPO hasn't
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: broken down that perpetual lie? I've done an article on that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: You can draw your own conclusions. I think I know why,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: but you know. 625, you have time for that call, Joe,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: real quick?
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: No?
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Eddie. We are out of time, and I've
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: got to get to Ken Cobra, who's coming up next,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: on the $ 23 million leftover money from last year's budget.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: 628 55KRC, the talk station. Happy Wednesday to you. Ah,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: let us see here. It's time for Ken Kober. FOP
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: President Ken Kober representing the Cincinnati Police Department's union and
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: all the Cincinnati Police Department. God bless each and every
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: one of the officers who wears a uniform in support
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: of public safety in the greater Cincinnati area. What a
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: tough job it's got to be. Welcome back, Ken Kober.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Hadn't gotten any easier lately, has it?
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: No, good morning, Brian. It certainly hasn't.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Well, let us talk about, you can't, I obviously say
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: this tongue-in-cheek. You can't launch a levy in support of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: this police department, can you? You've got to wait for
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: the city council to allocate funds to you.
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's correct. All of the funding that we get
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: is straight from city council.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: All right, and with that in mind, they have $ 23
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: million left over from last year's budget. First of all,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I find it kind of surprising that with all these
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: cries and claims that they don't have enough money in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the city coffers, that they couldn't spend the $ 23 million,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: but apparently... It was allocated to some projects which couldn't
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: move forward, but now they seem to be looking for
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: places to spend it. Question, Ken Coburn, I think you
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: already know the answer to this. Any suggestion that some
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: of the money might go to public safety resources?
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that would certainly be appropriate.
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: It is kind of ironic that the timing of this
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: that we just filed with the State Employment Relations Board
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: are noticed to negotiate our next contract for the next
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: three years.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Ah, and I presume, you being the head of the union,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that you're going to be looking for more money for
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: your beleaguered officers.
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: Oh, without a doubt.
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, what they had to endure over the last
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: six months between spring and summer, now into fall, certainly
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: warrants a wage increase, especially when you look at what
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: our homicide rate is currently. City leaders are talking about
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: how it's the lowest in 20 years. That's not possible
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: without the Cincinnati Police Department.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Well, Every homicide that happens and every crime that's committed
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: in downtown Cincinnati requires police resources to find the perpetrator.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: That investigative work takes up a lot of time. How
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: many open cases or how many unresolved murders are there
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati, if you have any concept,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Ken Kober?
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: I can tell you, as far as homicides go, their
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: clearance rate is absolutely incredible. It is well above the
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: national average. I mean, they're closing 60% to 80% of
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: their cases.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's impressive. Closing, would you say successfully or just,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: you know, we can't find anybody, the trails run dry,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and we're just going to put it in the closed
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: case file. But when you close something, that means you
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: have resolved it?
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there is no closed case file. Every homicide that
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: we have, if we don't have suspect, there's no resolution
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: to it. It stays open until they get to the point.
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, we have cold cases that we've worked on
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: that are 20, 30, 40 years old.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I've got a good friend, John Newsome, who was a
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati police officer and worked cold cases for the Warren
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department. What great stories he's got. But, yeah,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I understand. Maybe I should have said cold cases rather
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: than closed cases. But I'm glad to hear the resolution
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: rate is so high. That's sound information. That's a credit
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to you and the police department doing great work. But
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: in terms of money, I know salary negotiations are always
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a real problem here. But I guess part of the
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: reason you would need a raise is the effort to
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: draw lateral hires. If you're not paying enough to a
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: police officer to take on the challenges of being a
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati police officer, no one's going to want to work
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: for the Cincinnati Police Department.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's an absolute challenge trying to get
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: people in the door, trying to keep people. And then,
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: you know, the latest effort, of course, is to have
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: another lateral class, which, you know, the only way that
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: people are going to leave is typically their current employer
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: is for more money.
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: And that's just, that's the bottom line.
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: And I know the city three years ago made a commitment,
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: gave us a rather a quality raise. And we hope
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: that that's going to be the same way this time ago.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Well, another challenge seems to be the political environment. When
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: do you have any interaction with people who are maybe
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: considering even lateral hires, or have you talked to people
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: who say, I'm never going to consider lateral how I
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: don't care if you get, you know, increase the salary, 15,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: $ 20, 000 annually. I refuse to work for a government that
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: does not embrace law enforcement and support it openly, loudly
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and enthusiastically, including the prosecutor's office and the judicial branch.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, why do a job if it's if it's pointless, Ken? Sure.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, there are some officers from neighboring departments out
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: in the county that, you know, Whether it's a township
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: administrator or their local small government truly supports the police,
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: pays them.
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: Well, and they're like, listen, I'd never leave. I got
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: a really, really good here.
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: But on the flip side of that, there are other
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: departments that don't pay as well that officers go, well,
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: we're going to wait and see. If you guys get
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: a sizable enough raise, maybe it'll be worth my time
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: to be able to go somewhere else.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Well, insofar as the $ 23 million we'll just say that
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: is open for anybody to put their hand in there,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: what do you think, in terms of public safety, the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: police department specifically or generally speaking, allocations of resources toward
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: public safety, what would Ken Kober or what do you
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: think the police department would most desire if they got
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a chunk of that money?
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: Well, the one thing would be funding for our wellness unit.
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: They've gotten $ 0. Everything that they've gotten has come from grants.
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: And it's time to fund the wellness unit. We talk
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: about officers that struggle with seeing violence on a daily basis,
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: you know, coworkers that pass away, coworkers that get sick,
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: you know, just seeing the general public and how nasty
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: these officers can be treated takes a toll on officers.
• 55:51
  Speaker 9: So it would be nice to see that the city.
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: Would invest in our wellness unit and actually have some
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: resources for these officers that are outside what's already being done.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. I just had, Terrible flashbacks of the
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: years my sister was a police officer and the horrors
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: of exactly what you talked about. Talking about post-traumatic stress.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: It's overwhelming. Ken, let's pause for a moment. I'll bring
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you back. We're going to dive further into this topic.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: It's 635 right now, 55 KRC.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: 639. 55KRCD Talk Station. Ryan Thomas with FOP President Ken Coburn.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the $ 23 million leftover money. Newman Golf
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Course is going to get a new clubhouse. Affordable Housing
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: is going to get $ 5 million or $ 3 million. And
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: some other areas that sort of kind of question marks
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: swirling around where this money would go, but not a
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: word in the local media about the $ 23 million going
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: to anything related to public safety. And you stumbled upon
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a real nerve with me there, Ken Coburn. You talk
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: about the wellness unit. The wellness unit for the police
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: department is designed to provide mental health services for our
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: distressed officers. Is that what I understand? Is that correct understanding, Ken?
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's just not mental health services. I mean,
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: they've got different clinicians that can provide like marital counseling
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: if you're having trouble with. your child, financial wellness, physical wellness,
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: all of those things. It's not just mental health. It's basically,
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: we want you to be a well human being from
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: every aspect in life.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: But you said there's been no money allocated to this.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: How long has this wellness unit, regardless of the scope
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: and breadth of the services provided, and I'm glad to
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: hear that it provides a wealth of different services, but
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: how long has it been around and how long has
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: it been unfunded, Ken?
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: Well, the only funding that it's ever gotten has been
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: some federal funding that ran out September 30th. It's been
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: around full time, five to six years, somewhere around there.
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: But understand, the FOP is going to step up and
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: provide some of these things financially, as well as we've
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: partnered with the Blue Line Foundation, which is a nonprofit
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: whose sole purpose is to support law enforcement. So as
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: long as the city doesn't fund these things, we're going
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: to continue to find a way to do it in
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: hopes that someday they'll recognize the true worth of this.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: And they'll begin to fund it.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Well, okay. Let me tell you, does this sound familiar?
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Being spit at, punched, cursed out on a regular basis,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: seeing the worst elements of humanity on a daily basis,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: including blood, dead bodies. and child molestations on video and
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: in social media that you've got to try to track
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: down the child molesters, having to deal with and interview
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: child molesters and work with children who've been the victim
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: of child molestation. Since it's in the news now, considering
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Amy Acton and this ad campaign that was run, I mean,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: that can take a toll on an officer. Does that
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: sound like things that officers regularly encounter on a day-to-day basis, Ken?
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: Absolutely.
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: Some of them will experience those things before they're halfway
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: through their shift. And it's something that we have got
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: to find a way to invest in wellness. That way
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: we can make sure that these officers that are experiencing
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: some of these things that say, hey, listen, I need
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: to I need to get a little bit of help.
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: I want to make sure that I stay well, because
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: what do we know? A healthy police officer is going
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: to be more effective. They're going to get complained on less.
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: They're going to have less uses of force. All of
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: these things that tell us that if we have these
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: officers that are well, it's going to be good for everybody.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Clearly. But the idea that you've got to get out
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: of bed and knowing you're going to encounter the list
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of horrors, and I'm sure that my list that I
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: came up with on the break was just abbreviated. I'm
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: just trying to recall a lot of the conversations I
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: had with my sister over the years, and damn, it
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: did take a mental toll on her, most notably being
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: in special crimes. But, you know, you've got that to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: start your day. Now, what else you've got to start
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: your day that the wellness center might deal with? The
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: financial issues you talked about, the relationship issues that you threw,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: all of which are compounding an otherwise preexisting problem with
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: just being a police officer. Of course, these services are worthy.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just shocked that the city, well, maybe I'm not shocked,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: but that the city of Cincinnati has overlooked and refused
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: or hasn't financed this. It's maybe just another illustration of
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: how they do not support the police department, Ken.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: Well, and this is one of the things which I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: appreciate that you give me a platform to be able
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: to talk about this. That way, maybe the listeners, you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: maybe there's council members that are listening are going to go,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: you know what? Maybe we did, uh, overlook this and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: we're going to do something to make it right. That's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: my hope that eventually that they're going to say, you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: know what, we're going to invest in this.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, hope my grandma had a, uh, maybe
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: FCC noncompliant comment or a phrase with hope, but, um,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: how about optimism that this might come about the optimism
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: that the city might say, oh, you know what? I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: heard kind of the morning show or yeah, I've heard
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: some requests for money for this wellness center. It would
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: do police a lot of good if they had these resources,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: and okay, so we're going to fund it. Any hope
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: that that's going to actually happen, Ken?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, we're going to be negotiating a contract.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: I'm sure this is going to be a topic of discussion.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: But we are going to find a way, one way
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: or another, to make sure that these officers have the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: tools that they need, they have clinicians that they need,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: that way we can get these officers, not only get
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: them well, but keep them well.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Well, can I ask you where you feel your negotiation
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: position is with regard to the city of Cincinnati regarding
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: all matters that you're going to be negotiating in the contract,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: most notably salary? Do you have a hand in this,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: an upper hand or an even hand? I just wonder
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: what you're coming to the table with because I believe
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that you deserve some additional resources. Clearly, I agree that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I think every police officer deserves a salary increase just
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: for dealing with what they have to deal with every day. But,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of course, things like this wellness unit, how can you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: argue against it? You feel like you're going in with
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: a strong position, Ken, because I sure as hell hope
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: you are.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: Well, sure.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: You know, I had some young officers this past week
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: I was talking to, and they're like, so what do
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: you think about this next contract? And I said, well,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: I don't think the city is in the position to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: make this job any less attractive.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: Than it already is.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: In fact, they need to be doing things to make
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: this more attractive. And part of that is funding. But
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: there's a couple of other things that they need to consider, too,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: along the way that will make this more of an
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: attractive job.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Any specifics on that?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, one of them, you look at how
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 7: many officers had off days canceled over the last six months.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: Hundreds.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, they just canceled their off days, and it's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: always on the weekends. And what do we know? It's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: shift work.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: Many officers, their weekends off only come around every so often,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: and then they're taking those off days. And that's something
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: that has been extremely frustrating. I think if you ask
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: the younger officers... They would say, I would rather have
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: less of a raise and more time off. And, of course,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: the officers that are getting ready to retire say, I'd
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: rather have the money because it's going to help my pension.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 9: But there has to be a balance.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: There has to be. There has to be. And Lord knows,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: we talk about the parade of horribles it is being
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: a police officer. We just went through the idea of
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: having a day off. That's like you need that. You've
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: got to have some time to recharge the batteries or
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: all these problems are just going to get exacerbated.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's the problem is we're seeing that the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: officers are getting burnt out and there's something that's going
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: to have to be done and it's going to have
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: to be done quickly. Otherwise, you're going to see more
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: officers that are leaving and you're going to see less
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: officers or less potential candidates wanting to come here knowing that,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: you know, when my weekends come around, plan on getting
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: your off days canceled because you're going to work anyway.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: That's just not going to be sustainable for the future.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: And you're still having officers take the retirement on time
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: or considering early retirement right now, Ken?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: We have officers leaving weekly, and that's just going to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: continue because part of it is, as we're getting a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: younger department, we still have roughly 150, 200 officers that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: could walk out the door between now and next summer.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: And they're going to have to find a way to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: keep those officers if they want to be able to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: find a way to give them off days.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a pile of $ 23 million sitting in their hands,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: and they seem really itchy to spend it. Maybe they
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: need to keep a pile of resources laying around to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: keep officers on the job, maybe by offering them a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: bonus or something along those lines. I don't know what
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: the contract negotiates to require collective bargaining, whether the city
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: can just step up and voluntarily give every police officer
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: $ 1, 000 or something like that just to take the edge off.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: But it sounds like a good idea to me, Ken.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if they can give a golf course
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: $ 5 million, they can certainly invest in the people that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: protect the city.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you for knocking it out of the park with
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: that one, Ken Kober. Ken, God bless you. Good luck
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: with the negotiations coming up. You have a welcome place
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: here on the 55 KRC Morning Show to advance your cause,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: your position, and, of course, anything we can do here
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: on the morning show to support the Cincinnati Police Department.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I got your back, brother, and so does Joe.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: Thanks.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 9: I appreciate it.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Anytime, man. Anytime. And the listening audience. Of course, my
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: listening audience. 706, the 55KRC talk station. I love this
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: moment in time in the 55KRC morning show. It is
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: the time of week when we all get to sit
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: back and pull our popcorn out, put our feet up,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: and enjoy the brilliance of Jack Atherton with what we
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: call the big picture with Jack Atherton. Welcome back, my friend.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Love having you on the show, and I sure appreciate
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: your willingness to join us every week.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 10: Thanks for having me back, pal. Here's this morning's question.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: Why are so many kids voting Democrat? And I mean
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: kids of all ages, from arrested adolescents to senile flower
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 10: children of the 60s. I think because it's cool to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 10: be revolutionary. In kidspeak, Mohammed El-Sayed is lit for socialists
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: who love torching cities from Minneapolis and Portland to now
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: Paris and Milan. James Tallarico with his two-week mystery flu
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 10: is sick for kids who love skipping work. The Texas
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 10: Senate Democrat finally coming back. He's lied about having always
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: backed border security and fossil fuels. And here in Ohio,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: even disheveled old Sherrod Brown is fresh if you want
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: him to rubber stamp another $ 32 trillion in debt for
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 10: nationalized health care, which stinks. Ainsley and I have a
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 10: daughter living in the UK, and we pray she doesn't
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: get sick. Brian, I contend there's nothing revolutionary about Democrat socialists. Yeah,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: they may wear Che Guevara berets or these days burqas
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 10: and hijabs, but all Democrats want is a return to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 10: the oldest form of government, top-down authoritarianism, as opposed to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 10: the still revolutionary American idea of bottom-up limited government. From
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: clan leaders in caves to warlords, priest kings, emperors, and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 10: modern-day dictators, most every nation throughout history has been top-down. Today,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 10: Democrat socialists are pledging one-party rule by eliminating the U.S. Senate,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 10: turning the president into a parliamentary prime minister, and packing
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 10: the Supreme Court with woke judges. They also want to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: squelch freedom of speech with another Joe Biden disinformation board,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 10: like the one that... It's still hard to believe this happened.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 10: Set up an office at Facebook to recommend which social
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 10: media posts should be hidden and who should be shadow banned.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 10: Democrats want to complete what Barack Obama promised, the fundamental
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 10: transformation of the United States. They want to reverse the founders' idea,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 10: the American idea, that government flows from individuals, and replace
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 10: that idea with what the godfathers of the left, Jean-Jacques
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 10: Rousseau and Karl Marx, called the general will, the collective
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 10: will of the state. America's founders set up a government
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 10: not for kids, but for adults. From the pilgrims to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 10: legal immigrants, like the parents of Avik Ramaswamy, Everyone who
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: has voluntarily come to America to become an American has
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 10: been a kind of entrepreneur, seeking the opportunity to reinvent themselves.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 10: They want to be free, not fed, crumbs by top-down
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 10: authoritarian elites. Our founders made that possible by granting the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: new federal government they created strictly limited powers. All other
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: powers are reserved to the states, and to the individual citizens.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 10: But wait, there's more. Our Constitution, the greatest political plan
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 10: in the history of the world, and that's not just
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 10: chess beating, the Constitution also places limits within the federal
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 10: government through checks and balances. That's why Democrats want to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: ditch the Senate. Each state, whether big or small, now
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: has two senators. They have the power to check the House,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 10: which can be dominated by socialist cities and college towns.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: The Supreme Court can also check big government socialism. So
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: Democrats want to neuter that too. We cannot let them
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 10: do it. That's what's at stake in this election and
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 10: in 2028. Brian, we always look way back in history
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 10: to put today's issues into context. The very first book
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 10: we have on politics, Plato's Republic, was written 2,400 years ago.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 10: Plato proposed an ideal form of government which would be
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 10: ruled by the best and the brightest, philosopher kings and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 10: queens chosen for their wisdom, experience, and most important, their unselfishness.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 10: But Plato admits in the Republic three times that his
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 10: ideal regime is impossible.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 10: Because as Lord Acton would later say, and we always say,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 10: power tends to corrupt. All top-down rulers, aristocrats, military dictators,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 10: rich political bosses, all of them become tyrants, as Plato shows.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: And a democracy like the one Plato lived in, ancient Athens,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 10: that can turn to tyrants as well. Demagogues who promise
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 10: their people something for nothing. As Benjamin Franklin and the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 10: other founders realized, democracy works only as long as citizens
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 10: are willing to take care of themselves. Not every citizen can.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 10: So America, the most generous of nations, always helps those
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 10: who truly cannot help themselves. But today's Democrat socialists oppose
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 10: requiring welfare recipients to work, or at least look for work,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 10: or at the very least, train for future work. Democrats
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 10: say placing any requirements on welfare is cruel, because today's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 10: Democrats don't want Americans to be self-sufficient. Democrats want us
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: to see ourselves As victims who cannot possibly take care
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 10: of ourselves, they want our chief job, often our only job,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 10: to be voting for big government. This is not heroic
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 10: or revolutionary. This is infantile, and it's not cool. Babies
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 10: are cute. They're not cool. If you want to be cool,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 10: grow up. Do the hard work it takes to support yourself,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 10: your family, your community, and humanity. And even if it
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 10: means holding your nose, as we've been talking about for
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 10: weeks now, because neither you nor I agree with all
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 10: our GOP leaders, go out and vote for the only
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 10: party that defends the American idea. What do you say,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 10: my very cool friend?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Well, as always, Jack, I come to agreement on most
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: every single topic we come across. I just, speaking of,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: we always help those in need, and you're right, that's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: maybe not a uniquely American thing, but the whole concept
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: of helping those truly on life's margins, not everybody, used
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: to be the purview of charitable individuals, charitable organizations. There
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: were no government services, and somewhere along the line, like
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: so many other things, the government decided it was in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: the best position to take on the role of the benefactor.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: And like all things government, you mentioned politicians who get
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: that power always end up becoming corrupt. Well, like everything else,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: once government gets a hold of something, it always ends
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: up falling apart, is poorly administrated, or is in and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: of itself corrupt. We see all the revelations from Nick
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Shirley in announcements yesterday about all the fraud, waste, and abuse,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: and now offering assistance from the general public to ferret
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: it out and get a slice of the action if
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: they find fraud, waste, and abuse out there. I love it.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I agree with that because right now there's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: no incentive to face the firing squad and metaphorical risk
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: of going out and blowing the whistle on anybody. But
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: once the government gets in and takes over, it tends
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: to screw it up so dramatically. And speaking of the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: state of America and how young people think it's somehow
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: cool to be socialist, I believe that is an absolute
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: epic failure of the education system, something the government has
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: almost exclusive control of. They've created a couple generations of
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: useful idiots who don't have any concept of how socialism
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: always ends up leaving people in want. If France has
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: everything that these leftists are clamoring for, early retirement, pensions,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: guaranteed vacation, free health care and all that, why the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: hell are people rioting in the streets over it? Isn't
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: that what everybody's clamoring for, Jack? I guess it doesn't work.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: We could all pay attention to that reality if we
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: all had common sense enough to look around us, but no.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: socialism's cool man, evil orange man, bad. This is just
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: what we've come to be as a society. And I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: really believe it's largely to blame in the education, i.e.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: indoctrination camps that we all send our children to.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Indeed.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 10: France is broke in every sense, as we've discussed. And
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 10: speaking of Europe, you're right. America did not invent social
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 10: welfare as we mentioned, perhaps last year, It was the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 10: Iron Chancellor Otto von Bismarck in Germany in the 19th
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 10: century who came up with social security. As for the kids,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 10: the hard part is convincing kids that it's cool to
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 10: be conservative, a future adult, not an aggrieved victim. Too
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 10: many parents stopped doing this starting in the 1950s. They
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 10: let television raise their children. We've got to monitor how
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 10: everything from social media to music warps our kids and
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 10: grandkids and offer instead positive influences, places of worship, sports. Hey,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 10: I love the kids who still join 4-H and bring
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 10: their animals to the state fair. If that sounds corny, well,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 10: you know the kind of music and movies I like,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 10: but it beats a lot of the poison the kids
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 10: ingest today.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Jack, I read a story about a nine-year-old who's got 80%
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: burns over his entire body because he was on social
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: media and there was a viral challenge going out there.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Set yourself on fire. I mean, think about that, Jack.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Set yourself on fire. And there are kids doing it.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: It's cool to set yourself on fire. I mean, that.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: That's the influence social media has. I mean, you can
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: just suspend your natural, innate, you know, common sense, God-given
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: reality that, you know, everyone seems to have an understanding
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: that fire can be dangerous. Once you get burned once,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: you don't want to go down that road. And yet,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: here's a viral thing saying, kids, set yourself on fire.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: And then, lo and behold, I got this article from
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: the other day, Janice Heisel reporting on after a surge,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: fewer teens identifying as lesbian or gay or bisexual. After
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: this wave of embracing of LGBT and everything like that,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: it shows that over time, young people between the ages of,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: I guess it was nine and 12 or a ninth
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: grade and 12 year olds have decided that, you know what? Uh, I,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I tried it. I'm not gay or lesbian anymore. You know,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I got convinced into thinking it was the cool thing
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: to do. And it turns out that, well, they were only,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you know, embracing what was a moment in time, a
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: cool thing to do logic, reason, and our innate, you know,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: sense of, uh, wanting to, uh, I guess procreate built
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: in God, you know, that, that means you're a, a
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: linear sort of, uh, accepting of the idea that men
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: and women should be together. I don't care if people
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: are gay or lesbian, but you know, social media can
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: influence people into deciding that they are something that they
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: are not.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 10: But we can't wait for the kids to put their
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 10: fingers on a hot stove and find out they can
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: burn themselves. I don't blame social media. I blame the parents.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 10: When Amesley and I were by no means perfect parents,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 10: nobody is, but we had only one computer in the
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 10: house when the girls were growing up. And it was
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 10: right next to the kitchen. Aimsley worked, but she spent
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 10: a lot of the time in the kitchen. It didn't
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: go on unless somebody was nearby. And the kids didn't
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 10: have phones until they were older. We simply have to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 10: be parents.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: And to that point, what parent out there thinks it's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: a good idea to let a nine-year-old have unrestrained access
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to whatever social media account that would suggest setting yourself
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: on fire is a good thing?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 10: The ones who don't want to get involved, who want
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 10: to shift all the responsibility to the cloud.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Full circle to your point. Kids that believe socialism is cool.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Jack Atherton, you are great. I love you, man. I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on The Morning Show.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I get so many comments about your segment. It's great.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I'll look forward to next Wednesday. We'll do it again.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: And as always, best of health and much love to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: you and your better half. Please promise to be at
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Anderson Pub and Grill the day after the election. That's
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: our next listener lunch. I mean, if the polls are
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: correct and we have a blue wave, I don't want
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: to be there by myself. I'm going to need some help.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to need friends around me to help
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: me weather that challenge. But let's not let that happen.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Let's get out and vote. Let's make that day a
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: celebratory day so we can all have smiles on our faces.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: And welcome back, the man who's been trying to get
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: that to happen, from Americans for Prosperity, Donovan O'Neill. It's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: good to have you back on the show, Donovan. Congratulations. Man,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: what a milestone. 850,000 doors knocked.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we are. It's what we're doing. The knuckles are
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: starting to hurt a little bit. I'm actually losing a
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: little bit of weight even, Brian, believe it or not.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: It's good for you. If you need an exercise plan,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: door knocking is the way to go. It's the new trend.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: How about that? I suppose it could get you out
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: in the open air.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Plus, you've had some decent weather of late, so that's
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: got to be a more fun experience. Are you still
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: doing that? We'll just cut to the immediate chase. Are
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: you still in need of support and effort with your
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: door knocking efforts from my listening audience?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: Always.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: And really, you know, one of the big things right now,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: Brian Wright, is, you know, we're working against the clock.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: More and more people, I believe, are getting out to
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: vote early. And so those are folks who are right.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: Those are pieces taken off the board that, you know, voters,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: once they make their decision up, knocking their door and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: talking to them about it, it's not going to, you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: you're not really changing them for this election. And so
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: getting folks in the fight, having them join us. That's
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: the best thing you can do over the next 13
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: days if you're concerned about the future of the country
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: and want to make a difference.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I had a little bit of uplifting information I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: read this morning about this. Seniors are early voting, and
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: they're coming out in really large numbers. And some think
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: that maybe that's the answer to what we perceive to
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: be the big problem, countering that youthful vote with young
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: people thinking socialism is cool on the heels of Jack
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Atherton talking about that. Seniors, however, remember the Cold War.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: They remember the Soviet Union. They understand socialism because they
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: learned about it in school. They know the evils of it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: So not every one of my senior friends is one
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: of those blue-haired leftist carryovers from the 1960s radicals. A
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: lot of them are conservative-minded people who may salvage the election. Well,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: that actually comes to mind.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: A voter I spoke with yesterday, husband and wife in Mansfield, Ohio,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: You know, I can't remember age. Well, it throws on there.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: You know, they were definitely senior citizens. And, you know,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: they said, I don't know how anybody could vote for
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: the Democrat Party that we have here today. And they
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: were voting red all the way.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: They always do, quite frankly.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: But, you know, I think they they like you're pointing
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: out there, Brian, understand the stakes and what's at what's
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: at risk here if we elect folks and empower a
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: Democrat socialist majority in in the Senate, let alone Congress.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. And statewide Day of Action is coming up.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: You want to tell my listeners all about that, Donovan O'Neill?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so getting in the fight, you can do it
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: this Saturday.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: We've got beautiful weather.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: The door-knocking gods are smiling upon us, Brian. There's no
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: better time to get out there. This Saturday, though, we're
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: going to be out there across the state knocking doors,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: working to break some records. And we can use folks...
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: We can have folks help join us. Saturdays are a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: perfect day, right? Folks are out cutting the lawn, getting
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: the Halloween fall decorations set up. It's a great time
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: to have those conversations because it's not just about knocking doors.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: It's actually about talking to voters face-to-face on their front
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: porches and their front lawns. And that's what our team's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: going to be doing across the state this weekend.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: So what do you make of Obama coming to Cleveland
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: to campaign for Sherrod Brown? I know Trump's been going
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: literally everywhere. Four corners of the United States, he's showing
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: up in places that honestly are a little concerning because
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: let's face it, if we look back at history, Trump
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: didn't really ever need to make a stop in Ohio
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: to campaign because he knew he had a pretty solid
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: state here in terms of being read, but lots of
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: local activity with Donald Trump and Vice President Vance. It
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: looks like Barack Obama's getting into the fun here as
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: well by showing up for Sherrod Brown. Your expectations of
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: the crowd there, Donovan, but also what do you make
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: of Obama feeling the need to come here to the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: state of Ohio?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, quite frankly, it's the state he won twice, right,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: for president before Trump turned it red. And so I
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: think their hope is that he can do what Trump
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: is doing for the Republican base and fire up that
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: inner city, you know, Cleveland base that has turned out
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: for him before. But look, again, they're going to be
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: rallying in their center. You know, talking, you know, preaching
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: to the choir there. And our goal is to get
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: out and actually go talk to those persuadable voters.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: And move them.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: But, you know, don't don't miss the opportunity here. The
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: having a surrogate like Barack Obama come to the state
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: of Ohio is a big thing. And they will fire
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: folks up. They will they will raise some awareness among
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: their base. And our work right now is to move
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: those persuadables there. and fire up our own base to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: make sure, you know, what, 13 days left to go,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: we don't leave any vote on the field.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Donovan, affordability keeps coming up, and
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: that seems to be the number one, you know, the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: catch word that everybody's using, affordability, affordability. Obviously, inflation has
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: had a buildup effect over the years, far worse under Biden, who,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: of course, is responsible for a large amount of, a
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: large reason for the increase in the cost of literally everything,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: but you can blame Trump for at least the oil
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: and gas problems we have here, but What are the
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Democrats offering by way of policy to deal with affordability?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: I think this is kind of out of everybody's hands here.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I'm just sort of trying to get people to pay
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: attention to what is achievable by our elected officials. But
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: insofar as that goes, are they offering anything, Donovan?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: Well, I think they're touching on the same issues. And
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: you can look at the Democrat socialist agenda for what
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: that is, right? Talking about housing, talking about grocery and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: gas bills. talking about healthcare costs. But the problem here,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: and we've talked about it many times before, right, is,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: you know, those are the problems Americans are facing, but
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: the solution isn't more government. In fact, government and the
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: socialism light we've been experiencing with for the last several
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: decades is, I believe, why we're in the situation we're in, right?
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: Rising costs due to inflationary spending. Government printing more money
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: is what's causing this. Healthcare, ever since, you know, Barack Obama,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: talk about Barack Obama and Sherrod Brown. past the Unaffordable
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Care Act, we've become captive to the health insurance industry, right?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: And it's allowed them to jack up premiums because the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: government's going to subsidize it, creates this whole circle of
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: just problems. But the health care costs go up because
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: of the Unaffordable Care Act. And when it comes to
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: things like housing affordability, it's very much the government control,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: the top-down approach that we've had since the 70s, in
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: the various iterations of government programs to try to solve
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: this problem. If we got government out of the way,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: cut the red tape and regulations, and just had an
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: abundance approach to housing, we solved that. So the solutions
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: they're offering will just exacerbate the very problems their policies created.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: We have to go a different path. That's one of
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: individual liberty, freedom, free enterprise, free markets. That's how we
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: solve this problem. not just for the next few years
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: for a few people, but for generations to come.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: No question about it. Tell you what, Donovan, I'll hold
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: you over. You can give my listeners the top five
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: checklists they need to keep in mind. Well, we only
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: have 13 days before Election Day. It seems like we've
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: been the day before Election Day now for a couple
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: of years, Donovan, but look, it's right there in front
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: of us, 13 days away. So pause, we'll bring Donovan
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: O'Neill back. 955-KRCV Talk Station. Americans for Prosperity, Donovan O'Neill.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: An amazing accomplishment. 850,000 doors knocked, 13 days left to
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: knock more doors. We can help out and get involved.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: It's one of the action items we've got on our
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: top five checklist here that you prepared, Donovan Neal. Give
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: a couple hours a day knocking doors or a couple
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: of hours by themselves knocking doors, making calls, volunteering, and
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: showing up at Saturday's AFP Action Day of Action, which
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: we'll find out. Which website today, Donovan? I know you
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: have a variety of different ones you've recommended to my
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: audience over the years, but what's today's focus?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say go to afpaction.com. There's a sign-up
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: form there. Put your information in, and a member of
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: our team will reach right out to you and get
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: you plugged in with opportunities to make a difference.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: There you go. And we're working in reverse order. Know
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: your ballot. Here is a huge thing for my friends
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: in Hamilton County here in Cincinnati, generally speaking, but it
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: applies to everybody. Judges. Now, I think everybody knows probably
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: which gubernatorial candidate they want to vote on before they
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: walk into the polling place or otherwise cast their ballot.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: But judicial races tend to be a swirling mystery for
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. Candidates do not run on a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: party affiliation. They're not allowed to talk about how they
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: would rule on any given case because you can't give
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: advisory opinions. And most people don't have any interaction with
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: the court system. What they know about it is what
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: they read in the papers, which is rarely reported on.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: But I can tell you right here in Hamilton County,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: The judges don't have a very tough on crime approach.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: They let people out. It's a revolving door, especially at
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: the juvenile court, Donovan. And you'll see I'm using this
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: time to try to educate people. Judge Bloom is terrible
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: when it comes to treating juveniles with the appropriate measure
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: of attention they need. In other words, holding them accountable
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: for their misdeeds, even after they've been in front of
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: her countless number of times. It's okay. Slap on the wrist,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: cup of juice and a cookie on your way. So
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: we need to get better people on the bench. So
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: one of the things I want my listening audience to
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: do is please, dear God, Know your judicial candidates and races,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: and if I may be so bold, find the Republican
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Party pink slip. That's the judges that will be equal
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: treatment of all under the justice system and will hold
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: criminals accountable for their actions. You can't count on the
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: left to do that. Thank you, Donovan, for indulging me.
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  Speaker 4: No, you're totally right, and that, I think, is one
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: of the most important things to do. You know who
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: your member of Congress is, president, governor, senate. But you've
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: got all these down ballot races spot on with judges.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: I'd also point out issues. We talk about property taxes
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: a lot. There's oftentimes a number of local issues that,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: you know, if you don't do your research before you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: go on that ballot box, it can be a little
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: challenging to make sure you know exactly what you're voting for.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: And do they actually need that money? Take the time,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: get your ballot, know your ballot, and you're going to
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: have you'll be a much more informed voter.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about. Well, in deciding on
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: when and where you're going to vote, we suggest having
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: a voting plan, which I would argue should include, and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: going back to the comment I made earlier about seniors
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: based upon that article, that they are coming out in
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: large volumes. Maybe take mom or dad with you to
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: the polling place. Perhaps if they live in a senior facility,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: you can encourage some of the fellow seniors to join.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: you in the trip.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Donovan?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, part of it is one of the
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: things we say at the door, and there's a little
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: bit of psychology to this. is how are you planning
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: to vote? And you get, I see the wheels turn
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: in people's head.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: They're like, well, you know what?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: I haven't actually thought about that.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Like, well, great.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: You can get an absentee ballot, but make sure you
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: return that soon. You can go down to your board
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: of elections and vote just like you would, you know,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: if you were to go to your local polling location,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: but you can also go to your local polling location,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: whatever it is, Put it on the calendar, put it
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: on the fridge, have a plan and spot on about
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: bringing folks. I mean, the left does this so dang well.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: Yes. Right.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: We always hear about the souls to the polls on
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: Sundays where they, you know, get the bus and they
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: encourage everybody to go vote like it or not. You know,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: getting your friends and neighbors to go vote is what
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: that's what this political work has been about for for ages.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: Turn people out.
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  Speaker 5: Offer.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: To bring your neighbors, bring your friends. Ideally, they're more conservative,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: the ones you're bringing. But, hey, look, while you're driving
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: them there, give them the pitch on why they need
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: to vote for John Husted.
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  Speaker 1: There you are. Have the conversation, which is one of
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the things under help someone else prepare. That is not
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: you suggesting you should sit down with them in the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: ballot in front of them and fill it out for them.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: But maybe you don't want to knock doors. You're timid.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: You're reluctant to do that. You can't knock doors. Have
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: a conversation with friends or relatives or loved ones. counter
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: the narrative. No, Vivek Ramaswamy did not pull a pharmaceutical
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: that worked from the market, depriving people of something he promised.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: That's a lie. So, you know, you can enlighten them
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: on different topics like that.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and nobody's a better trusted messenger, right? I
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: go to stranger stores, a hundred stranger stores every day
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: at this point right now, right, Brian? And I have
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: those conversations, but I'll tell you what, the conversations you
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: have with a friend, a family member, while they can
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: be a little uncomfortable, they have an impact. It has
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: a bigger lift. It's that relational stuff. Going back to
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: talking about Obama in the last segment, they did that
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: really well too in that 2008 primary and general election.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: They built a ground game that was built around neighborhoods, communities,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: people with shared interests and identities. And when you have
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: folks evangelizing for your candidate from that shared community, you
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: get a bigger lift, more so than any TV ad,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: piece of mail, digital ad, or campaign communication will ever do.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Donovan Neal, Americans for Prosperity. Appreciate what you do, your encouragement,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and I guess the final message, follow through. Cast the ballot.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: Get out the vote.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Do it. Just do it. AFPaction.com. They make it so
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: easy to help out and participate, even a little bit.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Every little bit counts. Jonathan and Neil will do this
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: again next week. 13 days left. Tick-tock, tick-tock. The same message,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: plus more next week. Have a great week, and thanks
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: again for all the work from you and the team.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: Thanks as always, Brian.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: It's 647 right now. 55KRCD Talks. It's 8.05, coming over
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: at 8.06 here at 55KRC, the talk station. Brian Thomas
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: wishing everyone a very happy Wednesday. And welcome you back
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: to the 55KRC Morning Show. He's running for Secretary of State.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: He's got a name that you know very well. Robert Sprague,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the 55KRC Morning Show. It's good to
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: have you back on. And, of course, 13 days to
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Election Day. It's fast approaching.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, Brian. Appreciate being on.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Let us talk about what you plan on doing here. When,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: I would argue, when you get elected Secretary of State.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Work to be done. I know it's in good hands now,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: and I know you've had high praise for the current
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: occupant of the office, but things that you want to
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: accomplish going forward, work to be done. For example, insofar
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: as elections are concerned, let me just pivot over this
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: one right away. The Social Security announced the other day
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: they corrected tens of millions of records, including now the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: citizenship information. And that information apparently is available to states
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: to use. States can find a person's citizenship status by
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: entering that person's name, date of birth, and full or
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: partial Social Security number into this Social Security Administration's database,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: thus determining whether that person is eligible to vote in
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: federal elections. Is that something that you plan on doing
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: going forward?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely. Within the first 100 days, we want to make
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 6: sure that we move to a front-end citizenship check. Now,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 6: we have some of those checks in place right now,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: but I can tell you that working with the federal
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 6: government is so critical because they're the people that know
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 6: who the citizens are. And in the Ohio Constitution in 2022,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: we voted, 77 percent, voted to add to the constitutional
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: language that only American citizens can vote in our Ohio elections.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: I think it's pretty fundamental. Now, I can tell you
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: my Democrat opponent, Alison Russo, opposed that amendment on the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 6: floor of the House. I guess she wants noncitizens to
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: be able to vote in our elections. You know, the
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: first piece of election integrity was is that you have
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: to have only citizens voting in the elections. That's what
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: you're talking about with having access to that federal social
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: security data to see who is a citizen and who's
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: not a citizen. I would say right after that, we
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: want to make sure that we have photo ID in
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: our elections. So you got to know that people are
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: who they say they are when they vote. If you're
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: having to show a photo ID to buy a beer
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: in the state of Ohio, it only makes sense that
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 6: in our elections to keep them secure, You should have
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: to show a photo ID to vote so that we
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: know that you are who you say you are. And
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: my Democrat opponent has made a living out of voting
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: against photo ID for the people of the state of
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: Ohio and our election security. We have to keep our
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: elections secure.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Well, given how popular photo ID is and given the
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: fact that literally every man, woman, and maybe even children
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: in some cases have a photo ID for something they
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: have to have it for in their day-to-day lives, it's
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: not a big ask. and accusations that somehow it's racist
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: to require a photo ID because, I don't know, people
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: of color find it difficult to do so. I find
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: that insulting, and to be a racist accusation in the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: first place. But the other left-wing arguments, or maybe Alison
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Russo-type arguments, well, it's going to suppress the voter turnout,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: or here's my favorite one, oh, this hardly ever happens,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: non-citizens voting in federal elections, so there's really nothing to
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: deal with here. Well, that ignores the fact that Sometimes
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: they do, and if there's a problem that allows for
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: a violation of the law, shouldn't you stop that from
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: being able to happen as a part of your job
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: in the role of Secretary of State?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: The last thing you want is a Secretary of State
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: that's going to, first of all, create a system where
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: people can cheat, and secondly, look the other way while
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: they do cheat, and that's what my Democrat opponent is
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 6: going to do. She's against every single security measure that
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: currently makes our elections good in the state of Ohio
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: and gives them integrity. We don't want to turn into
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 6: New Jersey. New Jersey is a good example of bad
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: processes where the Democrats control the elections process. And what's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: happened there is they had 6,600 more than that, non-citizens
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: and illegal immigrants registered to vote in their state. Hundreds
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 6: and hundreds of them actually voted in the elections. And
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: now they won't tell the people of New Jersey which
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: elections they voted in because, you know, in the state
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: of Ohio, we've had over 70 elections that have been
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: determined by a single vote in the state of Ohio
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: just in the last couple of years. And, you know,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: this happens all the time. You know, people try to
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: register to vote illegally. And current Secretary of State Frank LaRose,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: who's doing a great job, along with our Board of Elections,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: have to refer those people to local prosecutors. And the
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: fundamental piece is photo ID. We have to have photo ID.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: It's the fundamental security measure. It's just the ante to
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: be able to get into the poker game. That's all
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: it is. It's basic. It's fundamental. We need to have
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: photo ID for in-person voting. We need to have photo
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: ID for the mail-in ballots. And we need to add
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: photo ID to the Ohio Constitution so that it's permanently
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: in there and these crazy socialists can't take it away
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: from the people of the state of Ohio. That's issue
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 6: three that your listeners are going to be voting on
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: on November 3rd, and I urge them to vote yes
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: on issue three, add that to the Ohio Constitution, and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: preserve it forever so that we have a photo ID
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: and election integrity for the people of the state of Ohio.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the hope that, well, hopefully nobody ever occupies
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: the office. It does spring from that Amy Russo position,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: but If it's in the Constitution, you don't have to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: worry who the occupant of the Secretary of State's office is.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: There will always be a photo ID requirement. Hey, I'll
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: tell you what, though.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: That's right. But you also have to elect people that
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: are going to uphold the Constitution, uphold the rule of law,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: and enforce it. I mean, that's what the executive does.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 6: And that's why the Secretary of State's office is so
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: important to people. You know, it's the one office that
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: you want to have be run professionally by somebody that's
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: very competent.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you seem very confident in your positions, Robert Sprague,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: and I remind my listeners it's Sprague4Ohio. com. You can check
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: out what his background is. He's well-qualified for the job,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: of course. But let me ask you this. You're very
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: strong in your positions. They sound logical and reasonable to me,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: but I'm sure Ms. Russo, Alison Russo, also is firm
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: in her convictions and strong in her beliefs and can
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: support her arguments. So I presume she wants to debate
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: this in front of the voters.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: Is that correct? The last thing she wants to do
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: is have a debate. Spectrum News has challenged us to
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: a debate. Our campaign immediately accepted. We said, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: If you're going to be the chief civics officer for
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: the state of Ohio, the least we could do is
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: defend our positions on a debate stage in front of
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: the public, have it be advertised and televised live so
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 6: that people can see the differences between the two candidates
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: and their ideas. You know, Alison Russo rejected that. She said, no,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: I'm not debating. We're not doing it. And repeat after
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 6: repeated calls, repeated calls. And to this day, I will
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: tell you what, Brian, if you want to host a debate,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: I would just say we accept. And I think it's critical.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: I think it's fundamental for our democracy. And as a nation,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: you know, honestly, we need to compete more on ideas
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: and vision for our country and for our state. That's
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 6: the way elections matter. But it's impossible for the elections to,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: you know, reflect the will of the people unless the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: people know what the candidates stand for. So, yeah, if
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: you want to host a debate, I just accept on
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: the air right now.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Well, and this comes at absolutely no risk to me,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: not that I'm risk averse to hosting a debate, but
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: I know it's never going to happen, Robert Sprague, so yeah,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. And expect that I won't hand out
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: pre-written questions. You can do it on the fly like
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: Ramaswamy does all the time, like you do. You didn't
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: know what I was going to ask you about when
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: you came on this morning, Robert Sprague.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: We'll take questions from any of the callers that want
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: to come in, even. It's just critical that you be
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: able to defend your position as you understand what you
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: believe in. And you're able to enunciate it to the voters.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 6: That's what these debates do. And frankly, the candidates that
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: don't want to debate are unable to do that.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the only conclusion I can reach because politicians
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: thrive on being able to advance their position, talk in public.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: It's one of those almost like any publicity is good publicity.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: But if you think you have the winning strategy, don't
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: you want to argue with the opponent over why theirs
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: is wrong and yours is right? And if you can't
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: do that, then I think we all know the answer
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: to the question. I guess your policies aren't right.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: Absolutely. You know, uh, I can tell you that in,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: in politics, there's a lot of different reasons to debate. Uh,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: but the most fundamental reason is it's part of our
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: democratic Republic and people need that information in order to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: make a good decision. And our, our election system doesn't
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 6: function unless you're able to have information as a voter
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: and as a citizen. Um, And then also the elections
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: don't function unless they have integrity. So those two pieces
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: are what makes our elections work. It's what defends your
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: rights and allows you to defend your rights at the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: ballot box and maintain this fantastic country that our ancestors
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: and our forefathers have given us and the rights that
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: we enjoy under the United States Constitution. But you can't
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: do that without information and without the integrity of the
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: election system.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: And being deprived of information, I think, is quite revealing
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: going back to the refusal to advance or to argue
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: against your opponent over these important issues. To me, that
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: just tells the tale. I mean, Amy Acton's doing the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: same thing, hiding in the basement. I've called it cowardice.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's too harsh considering she had a terrible childhood
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know that that, you know, it bolsters
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  Speaker 1: your qualification for governor. I personally don't think it did.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry she went through some tragedies as a
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  Speaker 1: young person. But, you know, I wouldn't add that to
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  Speaker 1: my resume if I was running for governor. I suffer
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  Speaker 1: child abuse. OK, what have you done? OK, what are
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  Speaker 1: you planning on doing? I will not debate. I refuse
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  Speaker 1: to debate while Ramaswamy will run around and answer any
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  Speaker 1: question from any person around because he can support his position.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got multiple candidates doing this hide in the
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  Speaker 1: basement Joe Biden strategy. And look what that brought us.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Sprague at spragueforohio.com. Check out the website. You also
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  Speaker 1: are responsible as Secretary of State for Business Services and
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  Speaker 1: a variety of other duties. Is there any less, I
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  Speaker 1: will argue, perhaps less sexy, but not for business owners,
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  Speaker 1: anything you want to do to improve the speed service,
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  Speaker 1: reduce costs, modernization? What needs to be done in that
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  Speaker 1: realm of the Secretary of State's office?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, let me start out and just say, I was
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  Speaker 6: a state representative that joined the General Assembly in 2010,
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  Speaker 6: and At that time, we were 37th out of 50
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  Speaker 6: states in the CNBC rankings for business friendliness. This year,
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  Speaker 6: under Republican leadership, for the first time, we are number one.
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  Speaker 6: Number one in the Ohio. Ohio is number one in
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  Speaker 6: the United States of America. We're doing a great job
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  Speaker 6: with business startups. And one of the things I want
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  Speaker 6: to do as Secretary of State, because I was a
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  Speaker 6: small business owner, and I remember starting my small business out,
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  Speaker 6: and the number one thing that I needed and didn't
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: have was money. And so when you go to register
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: your new business online in the Secretary of State's office,
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  Speaker 6: when I'm Secretary of State, you will have the option
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  Speaker 6: to type in a little bit about your business, and
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  Speaker 6: we are going to have a search engine that goes
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  Speaker 6: out and looks at all the federal grants, all the
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  Speaker 6: state grants, and all the local grants that you would
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  Speaker 6: qualify for as a small business in the state of
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  Speaker 6: Ohio to give you some fuel for that rocket so
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  Speaker 6: that you can get off to a great start. I
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  Speaker 6: think it would be a huge help. I think that
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  Speaker 6: we would see businesses succeed more if they had just
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of capital as they're starting up here
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  Speaker 6: in the state of Ohio. So I think that's a
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  Speaker 6: big contribution to these very small businesses in.
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  Speaker 3: Our great state.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I presume that's harnessing artificial intelligence for good rather
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  Speaker 1: than evil. That sounds like a great concept, Robert.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, right. You know, we could actually train this AI
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  Speaker 6: agent on all these governmental programs. And all you have
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  Speaker 6: to do, it's completely optional, you don't have to do it.
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  Speaker 6: But You've got to type in a little bit about yourself,
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  Speaker 6: who you are, who your small business is, and it'll
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  Speaker 6: go out and search all these programs, and who knows,
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  Speaker 6: maybe it'll even apply for you.
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  Speaker 1: Amen to that. And finally, before we part, coming again,
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  Speaker 1: Sprague for Ohio, Robert Sprague's campaign website. Right there, in bold,
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  Speaker 1: stopping fraud. What are we going to do about stopping fraud?
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  Speaker 1: I know we're on a roll here in terms of
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: stopping fraud. I appreciate the work that the Trump administration
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: is doing that, and God almighty, do any of us
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  Speaker 1: really fully appreciate the size and scope of the abuse
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  Speaker 1: of the American taxpayer dollars, but we've got it here
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio to a certain degree. What's your action plan,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Robert Sprague?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, well, I think, you know, what we're
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  Speaker 6: referring to there is obviously there's financial fraud and we're
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: very sensitive to that. I'll just give you one instance
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  Speaker 6: of financial fraud that we tackled in the state of Ohio.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we used to have people that would submit
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: for your income tax returns fraudulently, and then they would
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: take that from you. had the income tax return sent
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 6: from the state of Ohio to their house instead of yours.
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  Speaker 6: We fixed that by asking people to submit, guess what,
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  Speaker 6: a copy of their driver's license, a copy of their
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  Speaker 6: photo ID, and the amount of fraud went to zero.
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  Speaker 6: The way that you stop fraud in the election system
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  Speaker 6: is you create a system that has integrity. We have
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  Speaker 6: that in the state of Ohio. There are some things
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  Speaker 6: that we can tighten up, but by and large, we
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  Speaker 6: need to protect the system that we currently have, and
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  Speaker 6: that's what I'm going to do as your next secretary
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  Speaker 6: of state.
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  Speaker 1: Any idea about offering a slice of the action for
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  Speaker 1: those who drop a dime on fraudsters in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio? Trump just unveiled that plan yesterday. Is that
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  Speaker 1: something that could be done on a statewide basis? Not
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: that you're necessarily going to embrace it, but if there
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: are people out there in the business world or within
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: government that know where the fraud's coming from and they're
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: keeping their mouth shut, maybe an incentive plan here in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio to have them drop a dime?
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  Speaker 9: 100%.
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  Speaker 6: And I think also they need to incentivize the states.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's a federal government, federal money, and,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you need to let the states retain some
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: of that money. which would also be another good economic incentive,
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  Speaker 6: but I also agree with the personal incentives because, look,
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  Speaker 6: there's a lot of financial fraud that occurs. And anybody
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: that thinks there's not a lot of financial fraud in
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 6: the system with Medicaid and all these other gigantic government programs,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: it's why they cost so much and it's why things
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: are unaffordable. We need to make government more efficient and
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: root out this fraud.
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  Speaker 1: Sprague for Ohio. Sounds like a good idea for me.
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  Speaker 1: You got my vote, Robert Sprague. I look forward to
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: casting it when I get over to the Board of Elections.
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  Speaker 1: I wish you all the best with 13 days left.
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  Speaker 1: If we don't get a chance to talk, my fingers
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  Speaker 1: are crossed, my friend. I know you have the best
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  Speaker 1: interest of Ohioans in mind in the role of Secretary
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  Speaker 1: of State, and I know you will do a fantastic job.
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  Speaker 1: 830-855-KRC-D Talk Station. Happy Wednesday. Extra special always at this
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  Speaker 1: time on a Wednesday because we get to hear from
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Judge Andrew Napolitano. Welcome back, Judge Napolitano. It's great to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: see you. I get to see you anyway. Of course,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: hear your voice. Good to have you back on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, my friend. And I... Okay, so... I
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: read your column, and it's good. It's a little depressing,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: I have to admit. But you didn't intend it to
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: be uplifting. It's a warning to everybody. Our failed Constitution,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: a great historical analysis of all the times those in
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: elected capacity have pretty much torched some element of the
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Constitution in the United States. And you conclude with, well,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: we need to do something about it. Liberty survives only
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: when the governed insists that the government remain within its
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  Speaker 1: constitutional limits. If it won't, we must alter or abolish it.
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  Speaker 2: That is not me. That is Thomas Jefferson in the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence, almost word for word.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed. Are we at that time, considering the ongoing, multiple
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  Speaker 1: across administrations, abuse of the Constitution, going all the way
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: back to the Alien Sedition Act back in 1798, criminalizing
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: criticism of government officials? Yes, we live in a country
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  Speaker 1: that has a Constitution that actually had the Alien Sedition Act.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're certainly at a time where we have to
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  Speaker 2: alter the government so that there is no incentive for
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: government officials to violate the Constitution. Whether we abolish the government,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, both of these things cannot happen overnight. I'm
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: not talking about violence. I'm talking about amending the Constitution.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: That is an enormous uphill path. But something needs to
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: be done because the Constitution has just been abandoned. It
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: just doesn't restrain the government anymore from wars to spying
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  Speaker 2: to suppression of speech to corruption. of debt to the massive,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: massive spying on all of us now to a president
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: imposing his own taxes, which he calls tariffs. All these
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: are doing so even in the defiance of the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: Where is all of this?
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  Speaker 2: Going to lead us indeed right now we are no
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: longer a republic we are a failing bankrupt empire 800
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: 850 military and intelligence installations around the world a budget
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: to support this of several trillion dollars i'm combining intelligence
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: and uh and military and a congress that's a phrase
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  Speaker 2: afraid to say.
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  Speaker 1: No well any failing social welfare state they spent us
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  Speaker 1: into oblivion with the overspending and running the printing press
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: in support of you name it. And every one of
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: these failures and every one of these erosions of our
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: freedoms and liberties and digging us further into a hole
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: monetarily is always based on something, oh my God, we've
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: got to fix this problem, and who's better in a
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: position to fix this than we, the federal government? There's
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  Speaker 1: starvation in the world. We need to create a social
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: welfare program. There's evil people in the world. We need
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: a giant military to fend them off, keep everybody afraid,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: and they keep funding it. This is But I guess
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: ultimately we get to the point where let's magically wave
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: our wand, Judge Annapolitano, you and I, and come up
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: with a document that we start over with that you
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: and I can find acceptable. But then we end up
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: placing it in the hands of these people who will
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  Speaker 1: then use the crisis of the moment to ignore it
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  Speaker 1: like they've done with our current document.
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  Speaker 2: Well, two of the problems are the creation of the
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: administrative state in the Wilson era and the creation of
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: the security state, sometimes called the deep state. in the
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: Harry Truman era. I'm not a fan of Truman at all,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: but to his credit, shortly before he died, he denounced
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: the CIA and said, this is not what I created.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: These people have become a private army. They're overthrowing governments.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: The CIA that I created was intended to spy on
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: foreign governments, not on Americans. So we have two permanent
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  Speaker 2: parts of the American government. I have called them the
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: fourth and fifth branches, which are not transparent. They don't
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: answer to anybody, and they have the ability to threaten
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: Congress into continuing to fund them, especially the security state
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: or the deep state. Those two states have to be eradicated.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: That saves the government trillions a year, and it liberates
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: members of Congress from being terrified by the intelligence community.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: The intelligence authorities come up for reauthorization every three or
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: four years, and every time it looks like they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be clipped, members of Congress are paid visits by
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: members of the intelligence community, and they suddenly change their minds. Gee,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what happens in those private visits.
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  Speaker 6: That type of stuff has to stop.
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  Speaker 2: When government operates in secret, Brian, who is running the government?
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  Speaker 1: Amen, brother. It's a rhetorical question. Contemplate it yourself, listening audience.
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  Speaker 1: All right, real quick here. First Amendment, free exercise of religion,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: freedom of assembly. We all enjoy it. We all love it.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: You and I are big fans of it. The more
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: speech you have, the more enlightened we become, the better
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: we can come up with solutions to our problems. What
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  Speaker 1: of speech that threatens the existence of the United States
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: of America? We've had these conversations before, like the McCarthy era. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God, commies are talking about communism. That's the antithesis
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: of capitalism in the United States of America. They need
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: to be dealt with. I don't know that we necessarily
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: lock them up. We, of course, ostracize them, which is
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: still possible to do here. But what of, and see,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: communism doesn't involve religion. It's a political philosophy, so it
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't fall into that free exercise part. What happens when
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  Speaker 1: a religious organization or certain segments of a religion specifically
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: are dedicated and committed to overthrowing the government and engage
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: in actions in furtherance toward government overthrow, violence, destruction of property,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: threats to individuals? There's got to be some point at which,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: wait a second, there is a threat living here in
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: our backyard. And while they are protected by religious freedoms
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: and they are protected by the freedom of assembly, they've
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  Speaker 1: crossed the line. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: The Supreme Court has ruled that a claim to religious
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: freedom cannot trump, no pun intended, this is long before
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: he was on the scene, cannot trump the enforcement of
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: the ordinary criminal law. So a person can't burn down
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: a government building and say, my religion compelled me to
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: do it or my religion authorizes it.
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  Speaker 6: That's absurd.
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  Speaker 2: And the courts are very clear. In terms of threats,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: there must be a present apparent ability to carry out
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: the threat. So if Hillary Clinton is giving a speech
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: and a bunch of people show up with pitchforks and say,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: there she is, let's get her. they have the present
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: apparent ability to harm her. That speech is prosecutable. But
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: if the speaker is a thousand miles away, the speech
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: is not prosecutable because there is no present apparent ability
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: for the command of the speaker to come about. That's
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: pretty much the Brandenburg case.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: Brandenburg, with which you're familiar, took place in Haviland County, Ohio.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: Not on your watch or mine. That's a long time ago.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: The case is 1969. The events are about five or
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: six years before that. Brandenburg is an effort to protect
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: as much speech as is humanly possible, but not speech
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: which actually causes violence. So God forbid we had in Washington, D.C.,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: what's going on in Paris, even as we speak, and
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: there are people in the midst of the crowd encouraging it,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: those people can be prosecuted for that speech. And if
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: you don't know what's going on in Paris, just turn
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: your television on.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: It's burning. Yeah, I'm a little worried about it. We
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: seem to be only about one step behind Paris in
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: terms of how far they've gone. But if you are coordinating,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: let's go back to the religious organization. There is a religion.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: It's got a place of worship. They are indoctrinating their
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: people to hate and detest the United States of America.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: There are a whole lot of organizations out there that
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: feel that way. Look at all the different organizations that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: have showed up to protest the French government, right? You
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: can get a whole bunch of people together. If you
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: are coordinating efforts to engage in criminal activity, you don't
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: have to actually engage in the criminal activity under RICO,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: for example. It's just efforts in furtherance of criminal activity.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: So while they aren't personally involved in the crime, the
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: destructive activity of They're working with others to have it
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: come about. That is prosecutable, is it not? Generally, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it would depend if the person is on
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: the sidelines cheering or actually, to use your word, coordinating,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: facilitating the flow of cash or the movement of weapons
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: or the movement of people into the crime scene. Those
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: are pretty basic criminal law questions. And the masking the defense...
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: in the First Amendment doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Just needed to hear it from the master, Judge Anna Napolitano,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Napolitano.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't been that in a while, but I do
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: miss those days. It's very gratifying to see some of
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: one's former students become state and federal prosecutors and judges.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 6: I imagine. So I have that joy.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: I imagine it is, and there's a couple of very
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: influential professors and teachers in my life, and I occasionally
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: give them out loud credit for being so influential. Judge Annapolitano,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: Judging Freedom is the podcast. You're regular folks on the
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: program today.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, Professor Morandi from Tehran, who always gives us the
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: inside look as to how the Iranian people are viewing
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: what's happening. Professor Glenn Deason from Norway, why is Europe burning?
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: And Phil Giraldi, the ex-CIA agent, warning, what will happen
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: when the relationship between Israel and the United States evaporates,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: which is what the Israelis expect to happen soon?
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: So, General Napolitano, we'll talk to you next Wednesday here
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: on the 55KRC Morning Show. Thanks, as always, for your
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: willingness to engage in these talks with us. I appreciate
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: getting the column early. I'll tell my listeners to look
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: out for it. Our failed Constitution comes out at midnight.