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ITB: Don't Count The Eagles Out Just Yet · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on, everybody? It's
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan. And just let us get
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  Speaker 1: the record straight right off the start. You're feeling good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. So that makes two of us who
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  Speaker 1: are not on the Eagles injury report. Because when that
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  Speaker 1: thing came out on Wednesday, Adam, that was like reading
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  Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls. I mean, it reminded me of
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  Speaker 1: my childhood when a friend of mine who happened to
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  Speaker 1: grow up in a much you know, nicer house and
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  Speaker 1: wealthier environment than me showed me his Christmas list once.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like multiple pages. I had to scroll through.
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  Speaker 1: So that thing was long and we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into how that's going to impact this game. And also
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  Speaker 1: the Panthers coming up, they've got injuries as well.
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  Speaker 2: Big ones. Their, their injury situation is way worse. Why?
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  Speaker 2: Cause they have a lot of players who won't come
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  Speaker 2: back this season. We're really big time key players for them.
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  Speaker 2: JC horn torn quad. That's a terrible injury. Yeah. So
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: that's it. Both are starting corners are out. Like it, it,
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  Speaker 2: The only good thing the Eagles have going in is
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  Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of long-term injuries like the
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  Speaker 2: Panthers do, and that would be the big difference. But
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles had a lot of pop-ups. Holy smokes.
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  Speaker 1: And there continue to be more, and we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: them as the Eagles get ready. I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: fair to say, Adam, the Eagles are at a crossroad here. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 1: as we record this in the middle of the week,
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  Speaker 1: they are favored to beat the Panthers. They are 2-3.
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  Speaker 1: The Panthers are 2-2. The Panthers are actually averaging over
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  Speaker 1: 30 points per game, not something that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fans had on their 2026 NFL bingo card. So they're
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  Speaker 1: one of the best offenses in the league. The Eagles
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: are one of the worst offenses in the league. And
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  Speaker 1: some of the reinforcements that they were hoping for might
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  Speaker 1: not be back, and we'll get into that. But I
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  Speaker 1: do think it's a crossroads game for them, Adam, in
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  Speaker 1: that they have really been undermanned the last two weeks,
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  Speaker 1: but their defense has kept them in. They at least
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  Speaker 1: should have won one of the last two, but it
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  Speaker 1: just– you know, they didn't make enough plays they needed
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  Speaker 1: to make or enough good decisions.
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  Speaker 2: They had at least– Yeah. In both games, they blew it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the defense gave up. Everyone's killing the running game,
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  Speaker 2: which they should because it's obvious it's been horrendously bad.
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  Speaker 2: Terribly bad. But their defense, their pass defense has given
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  Speaker 2: up big plays in the second half. They could not
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  Speaker 2: get to Stafford. Stafford tore them apart. Tore them apart
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  Speaker 2: in the rain, okay? They were at that game. First half,
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  Speaker 2: they did a good job. They got pressure on them.
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  Speaker 2: When they don't get pressure, that's when problems exist. And
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  Speaker 2: you saw, it's funny, Trevor Lawrence, he looked so bad
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  Speaker 2: the first half. He just was inconsistent. Didn't look comfortable
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  Speaker 2: because the Eagles got to him. The way you make
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback uncomfortable is you get to him. Don't let
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  Speaker 2: him step in the throws. And then when they didn't
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  Speaker 2: get to him the second half, he did great. He
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  Speaker 2: looked like a completely different quarterback. And obviously the head
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  Speaker 2: coach maybe helped a little bit. Finally, the calls to
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  Speaker 2: play started to get him where he needed to go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So look, the Eagles have injury situation. We'll tell you,
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  Speaker 2: we'll go over kind of what we know, what we hear,
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  Speaker 2: what we see. What I find interesting is they did
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  Speaker 2: not have, they must feel good about a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these players. Why do I say that? Cause they, they,
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  Speaker 2: they did work any players out this week for Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: You've been, you've, you've been on that for a while though.
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  Speaker 1: They just don't, even when they're at their worst, they don't.
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  Speaker 2: They're a bottom three workout team. They only do it
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  Speaker 2: in emergency pretty much. Some years you can understand cause
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  Speaker 2: the roster has been so good and their injury situations
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  Speaker 2: have been so good until the season. Since Sirianni's gotten here.
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  Speaker 2: But though the list is double what it was last week,
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  Speaker 2: majority of the players are going to play. But some
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  Speaker 2: of them, as you alluded to, not looking great. And then, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: with Devontae Smith, now we're adding another injury to the
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  Speaker 2: injury report, which is a toe issue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that. So I guess where I
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  Speaker 1: was going is that I don't see them as incapable
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  Speaker 1: of winning this game. I still think, obviously, the injuries
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  Speaker 1: are difficult and don't come at a bad time because
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to find an identity. But at the crossroads,
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  Speaker 1: we're at, if they lose the game and go to
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  Speaker 1: 2-4 and have a four-game losing streak, which I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they've had one of those maybe since 2020, which
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  Speaker 1: was a terrible season. That's just, it's tough to see.
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  Speaker 1: Could they still win the division? It's just tough to
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  Speaker 1: see them picking up the pieces if they can't at
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  Speaker 1: least be competitive and win this game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's crossroads for me. They were very competitive
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  Speaker 2: against both. The two losses, the last two, they weren't
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  Speaker 2: competitive against Chicago. They got their ass kicked.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Coaches did a bad job. We've been through this, right?
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  Speaker 2: The last two games, the coaches got themselves together. They're
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  Speaker 2: very competitive. They just couldn't close the deal. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's just stayed the injury. Yeah. Or the injuries catching
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  Speaker 2: up to them. Of course they are, but it's more
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  Speaker 2: than that. It's then. Yeah, they were prepared to play,
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  Speaker 2: but then Syriana has a couple of mistakes. past protection
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  Speaker 2: wasn't very good. Like at times it wasn't bad. Like
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  Speaker 2: the two guys that were starting, the two undrafted free agents,
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  Speaker 2: Lampkin and Jake Majors did a yeoman's job. They fought,
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  Speaker 2: they clawed. I mean, they really did. They shouldn't be playing.
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  Speaker 2: We have to understand that. But the fact, all of
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  Speaker 2: that being said, with all these injuries, they had leads late.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's all you could really ask for.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Last week was painful. I understand that. I mean, I got,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's just getting some checkups on my health.
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  Speaker 2: in the fall, as I usually do. And two doctors
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  Speaker 2: that I see, both are huge Eagles fans. They cornered
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  Speaker 2: me for 10 minutes, both of the guys. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell's wrong with this? It's so funny because
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  Speaker 2: these are like people in the medical profession. But yet
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  Speaker 2: they're fans, so they think like fans. It's actually comical
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  Speaker 2: to hear them ask me certain questions. Like, wow, you
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  Speaker 2: really are addicted to this. But yeah, that's where they're at.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is, there's a lot of encouraging signs
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  Speaker 2: in terms of certain areas are good. Passing game. Showing
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  Speaker 2: some signs of life. Yes, it's sporadic. Wicks has had
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  Speaker 2: a good season. He's looked good. Cooper, as we keep saying,
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  Speaker 2: needs to get the ball more. You and I were
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  Speaker 2: talking off the air. They've got to figure out who
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  Speaker 2: he is as a receiver. Okay? But because of the injuries,
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  Speaker 2: Devontae and Dallas Scott, it's an older player. They don't
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  Speaker 2: really have a quality number two tight end yet. So
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  Speaker 2: Cooper's got to be a factor now. And the coaches
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  Speaker 2: have to figure this out with him. The kid is just,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's earning it. Yep. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: else they want him to do. Four touchdowns and seven catches.
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  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. I've never seen anything like it. Yeah. I'm encouraged.
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  Speaker 2: And I know some fans say, oh, you guys are idiots.
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  Speaker 2: You're just homers. We're not, obviously. We get accused of
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  Speaker 2: being negative. We're just telling the truth. Defensively, pass rush, inconsistent.
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  Speaker 2: But where it was awful early, it's really coming on. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: They need to do it through four quarters, not a half.
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  Speaker 2: But there's some science here. It's not gloom and doom. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if we see it, we hear it, we know it,
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  Speaker 2: we'll tell you if the time comes. We'll tell you,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, they're in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're not.
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  Speaker 2: They're tight.
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  Speaker 1: We outlined on inside the– sorry, Andrew. I was going
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  Speaker 1: to piggyback off some of the smaller things that may
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  Speaker 1: have been hard to detect that were encouraging, and that's
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  Speaker 1: all the word we can use is encouraging. For example,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles saw a 10% raise– against the jaguars in
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  Speaker 1: passing from under center which is not a small number
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  Speaker 1: because they don't go under center like 70 they do
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  Speaker 1: it more obviously now than ever but it's not like
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  Speaker 1: it's their main identity so we were we talked about
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  Speaker 1: last week all the tells they were giving by just
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  Speaker 1: running from under center and just passing from shotgun and
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  Speaker 1: for the first half at least until the game got
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  Speaker 1: a little wonky and they had a they had no
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  Speaker 1: run game um they were doing a better job of
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  Speaker 1: not giving the play away before they even snapped the
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  Speaker 1: ball by formation so that's something you look can they,
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  Speaker 1: can they continue to do that? Apply that. And, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I don't put the Panthers in the
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  Speaker 1: same category, even them being two and two as the
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  Speaker 1: Rams or, or the Jags. So if you can hang
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  Speaker 1: in there with those two teams and you're home, you
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  Speaker 1: should have a chance to win this game.
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  Speaker 2: I think the fans helped the Eagles had a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a contest. Well, yes, because they dominated. It's unbelievable. What,
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  Speaker 2: what's just, it's amazing. That was so you, you look
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  Speaker 2: at Carolina, Bryce Young, there's someone you and I know
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  Speaker 2: who scouts and with the Panthers and, I know that
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  Speaker 2: guy's been impressed. I'll leave it at that. Bryce Young
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  Speaker 2: is finally getting rid of the football in time. He's
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  Speaker 2: a smaller frame guy, 5'11, too thin, almost rail thin.
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  Speaker 2: He's starting to put a little mass on his body,
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  Speaker 2: but he was an elite processor in college. It was
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  Speaker 2: a little bit hard for him earlier on in his career,
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  Speaker 2: but he's doing it now. They have the offensive play
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  Speaker 2: caller change. Brad Izzik's calling the plays. Give Dave Canales credit.
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  Speaker 2: The head coach handing it off. And it's John Izzik.
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  Speaker 2: If you didn't know John Izzik, the former Jets son,
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  Speaker 2: doing a great job. Another Seattle connection, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: It's Brad. And John used to work for the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 2: But it's working. And Ted McMillan is an absolute superstar.
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  Speaker 2: He is the next great young receiver. Coker's been an
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  Speaker 2: unbelievable get for them. Yep. A great find for them.
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  Speaker 2: And This Chuba Hubbard, and I've had him in my
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  Speaker 2: Dynasty League for Fantasy, so I know this. The dude
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  Speaker 2: is a productive guy. I mean, he's not special in
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  Speaker 2: any way. In fact, they try to replace him more
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  Speaker 2: than once. All the time. Remember, they extended his contract,
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  Speaker 2: and then they drafted Jonathan Brooks because he didn't look
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  Speaker 2: very good. And all of a sudden, he started to
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  Speaker 2: be more decisive and downhill, and he's a great closer.
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  Speaker 2: He's very versatile. but the thing that's plagued them is
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  Speaker 2: they've just been besieged by injury, and it's not just
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles, folks. I know for people in fantasy, my
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: friends who are in it playing are crying about all
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: the injuries. It's a bad year, but coaching matters, man.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to dig. You've got to find different ways.
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  Speaker 2: Find different ways to get guys to football. And that
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  Speaker 2: is the challenge that we sent it back to this
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  Speaker 2: week in these injuries. With the guys you have, the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles coaches have to do a better job of using
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  Speaker 2: the talent. It's not about who you don't have. It's
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  Speaker 2: about who you have. Wicks, Cooper, Goddard. Earth's when you
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  Speaker 2: think you can do. He's out of elevations, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: I should mention that. Good point. So if they want
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  Speaker 2: to get him up there, because it's funny, Carson Steele
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  Speaker 2: of all people is on the roster. Like, do they
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  Speaker 2: really need to use a roster spot?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: What was that about? I mean, they just caught him.
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  Speaker 1: Especially since they didn't use him. I mean, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: play him.
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  Speaker 2: 20 snaps on specials. They didn't play on offense. Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I mean. At what point do you say,
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: you know what, Damian Pierce is not working? Right. Wait.
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  Speaker 2: Go to the next guy. How could he be any worse? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think your point, and we've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about this a little bit for over a week now,
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  Speaker 1: is Cooper, Darius Cooper is showing that he belongs in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, and every time he's on the field, he
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  Speaker 1: does productive things. He is playing a lot more, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: with Devontae Smith out. I saw his snaps have been
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  Speaker 1: over 80% in both games, but it's not like, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like there's a concerted effort all the time
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  Speaker 1: to try to get him the ball more, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: there should be. I mean, listen, they're an offensive disarray
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  Speaker 1: right now, so they could be trying and it's just
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  Speaker 1: not working. But you can tell when they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: target certain players or get involved when they're not.
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  Speaker 2: Two things I would add to that, and they're actually connected.
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  Speaker 2: Hurts had a tremendous trust in Wicks in training camp. Tremendous.
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  Speaker 2: And you've seen it, obviously. And quite frankly, he's probably
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  Speaker 2: missed Wicks on at least six passes where the ball
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  Speaker 2: either was not accurate or as you put it out
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  Speaker 2: inside the tape, look where the ball should have gone.
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  Speaker 2: And Wicks wants a great route. He's always where, this
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  Speaker 2: is the biggest takeaway I got from him, watching Minotti's
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  Speaker 2: and training camp. He's always where he's supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: because he gets the West Coast scheme, the timing of it.
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  Speaker 2: He just does. He gets the rhythm of it. And
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  Speaker 2: with Cooper, Jalen really trusted him. And the thing about
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  Speaker 2: it is, and this is absolutely a factor, him being
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: a former high school quarterback, there's no question he is
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  Speaker 2: just the feel for, oh, my quarterback wants me to
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  Speaker 2: come back to the football. The touchdown, we went over
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  Speaker 2: the DB's back. That's just, you know, and this is,
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  Speaker 2: remember how much we used to complain last year and
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  Speaker 2: the year before. Why don't the receivers come back? They
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  Speaker 2: know Jalen breaks the pocket a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: What? Come back to the football for goodness sake. Right. Well, that's,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just very impressed by Wicks and Cooper. And to
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  Speaker 2: finish this off, this discussion, I know we're going to
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  Speaker 2: go here, but I'm glad we are. It's a big
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  Speaker 2: deal because coaching matters and they have to figure, they
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  Speaker 2: have to do a better job of getting these guys
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  Speaker 2: at football. That's, no, that's where you're going. Yeah. Again,
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  Speaker 2: to finish it off, you don't complain about what you
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  Speaker 2: don't have. It's all about what you have, and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: You only control what you have, and they have to
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  Speaker 2: do a better job of it.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. All right, so let's get into this injury
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  Speaker 1: report because there are a couple of things that are
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  Speaker 1: encouraging and a couple of things that are not encouraging.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going off of Wednesday, first practice of the week.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with who didn't practice. Saquon Barkley did not
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  Speaker 1: practice the hamstring. Michael Carter still out with the abdomen.
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  Speaker 1: Jalek's Hunt didn't. who you heard Vic say it would
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  Speaker 1: take a miracle for him to play. So he ain't
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  Speaker 1: playing Sunday. Knee, ankle. Drew Kendall, man, this one's rough.
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  Speaker 1: He is still, at least as of now, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: practice because of the knee. And Will Shipley is going
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  Speaker 1: to be out a little bit with the foot. And Devontae,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, not only has the hamstring, but a toe.
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  Speaker 1: And Adam, if there's any sign of, turf toe or
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  Speaker 1: any toes injuries are bad but especially for wider tiers
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  Speaker 1: and they linger a long time that scares me that's
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  Speaker 1: the crappy thing about them.
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  Speaker 2: By the way devontae's had this hamstring issue for 10
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  Speaker 2: weeks yeah folks let's not forget i think that's been
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  Speaker 2: lost on some people i think he was definitely playing
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  Speaker 2: this week i'm like i don't know where they're hearing
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  Speaker 2: that but um yeah he was moving around last week
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  Speaker 2: in his return to play protocol like that's part of
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  Speaker 2: the ramp up is okay he was rehabbing And he's
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  Speaker 2: allowed to move, which is, you know, we saw him jogging. Great.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he's practicing playing this week, even without the
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  Speaker 2: toe injury.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens. He's got two days, but
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  Speaker 2: obviously it's not looking good. Oh, here's a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood Browns started working Wednesday. I know they didn't probably
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  Speaker 2: practice really hard because they're coming back from London, but
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  Speaker 2: that is a good sign just that he's out there
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  Speaker 2: because they need anyone who could run for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 2: That is the vertical game is completely gone. It, it's
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  Speaker 2: so hard when you're a quarterback and you don't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have anyone that could run downfield. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Cooper's a little bit intriguing because he, he's not a
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  Speaker 2: fast guy, but he's well-built and he runs well after
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  Speaker 2: the catch. Wicks is not fast at all, but he
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  Speaker 2: runs well after the catch, but they need a vertical game.
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  Speaker 2: And Hollywood Brown has 5 million full guarantee was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be that. Ah, but the good news is now
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean they're playing. Okay. To be clear here.
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  Speaker 2: I think sometimes people run to conclusions. But the good
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  Speaker 2: news is that Grant Calcaterra, back, Stowers, quadriceps, Landon Dickerson,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: bone bruise in his knee, and Ja'Cory Bennett with a
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: knee injury, which he got hurt in preseason. Yep. They
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  Speaker 2: all started working Wednesday. Okay? It doesn't mean they're playing
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  Speaker 2: this week, but the great thing is that they got
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  Speaker 2: some practice time in. You would think that a couple
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  Speaker 2: of them would return. I know Willie Lampkin was a
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: nice story. You could ignore the, as one league source
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  Speaker 2: told me, he thought it was– No, there's not a
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: personal guy I know that looks at PFF grades, but
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: they're on social media. So apparently they're kind of aware
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: of it. And the one guy said, he goes, Willie
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Lampkin's a nice story. He goes, I don't know what,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I guess it's out there that his grade wasn't very good.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: He goes, look, the kid fought his ass off. This
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: is someone from another team. His job is to watch
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Eagle State. And he said, he's absolutely should not be starting.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It's a great story, but you've got to give the
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: kid credit. In majors, he said, his limitation showed up.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: But he said Lampkin's core strength is so good. We've
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: talked about it a hundred times in the wrestling background. Yep.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: But getting back to Dickerson with a bone bruise, that's
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: a painful injury, man. You got to get the blood
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: flow and the swelling down. And that's great that he's
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: out there. They need mass. They need size on their
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: offensive line in the worst bleeping way. Oh, my God.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: It is so obvious how small they are in the interior. Yeah.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I mean, if Dickerson can play,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: That's very good. Meaning at least you get some mass back,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: but like we have to, we can't ignore the reality
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: that Dickerson wasn't playing, hasn't played well in quite a
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: bit going back to last year. But the fact that
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: drew Kendall wasn't able to practice the first day a week,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: and maybe that'll change. We'll see.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Or straight.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: If they have, yeah. If they have to play Willie
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Lampkin at center and they're able to get Dickerson at
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: left guard, it's still, I don't know that.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I said, if I said, no, no, but what I'm
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: saying is if Dickerson's back, I tried to warn you
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: about a couple of these things. I just... Lampkin is...
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: He's better because of the way he's built for guard,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: not center. You can play both. Now, the question is...
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: We'll look into this, where they're at with Jake Majors,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: because he's very limited. For a guy 6'2.5, short arms,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: not strong like Willie, but Willie's better off a guard.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: That's what I was told by people of great... That's interesting.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't come out of college as a guard, right?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Rams had him playing center. He's a short.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: It's weird.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: It's just because he's so strong.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: It just goes to your point about he's a backup,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: even at his best. And Greg made a great point.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: He'll stalemate. He'll fight. He understands leverage. He will build
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a house and anchor. And he did a pretty decent job.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: We showed one of him doing that against Trayvon Walker,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a number one overall pick.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was awesome. You have to see that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It was a great rep. It was a great rep.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: But when we talk about this Eagles offense– What it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: needs to be to get back to what it once was,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: was people movers on the offensive line. When they run
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the ball or even when they're passing, but mostly when
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: they're running, you want to see them reset the line
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage like they used to. And they haven't done
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: that in a long time. And Willie, as good of
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a story is, is not going to help you in
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: that department. He's not going to open up a crevice
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: so big for Saquon, when healthy, to be able to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: run through or whatever. Because that's just, he's not physiologically
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: capable of doing that. So you're right, he's a good story.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: But he's not the guy to get the Eagles back
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: to where they want. And Mike Gill asked me in
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: our Football at Four interviews with him, he said, do
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you think they want to take an extended look at
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: him to see if it's the future of the offensive line.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And I said, Mike, you know, you and I know this, Adam. Like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: when Howie rebuilds this offensive line, it's going to be
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: around first and second and maybe some good stories like Milo.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It's going to be high picks who are 6'5 and 330.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: That's what it's going to be.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: We love Lampkin. I love this story. I think it's awesome.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: And I know the Rams are pissed off when the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Eagles claim him. Who gives a shit? I mean, honestly.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: There's no gentleman's agreement when you're trying to win. I mean,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: we need to understand that. It's a cutthroat business. Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I know you know this and I'll just let, I'll
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: give a little, we'll, we'll, we'll go on the record
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: with this one. You know, when GMs talk to each
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: other and you know, they, they, they could sell them
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: when they lose a lot of players, they'll get off
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: the phone and like, they're, they're actually secretly happy. They
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: feel bad for them. They're like, well, Hey, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: when we play them, they won't have that player. Good
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: for us. You know, it's like, I know people were saying, Oh,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: the Eagles shouldn't have done that. Who cares?
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And you know what? They could have done it with
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: UR Bernard. They didn't do it. Remember when we were
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: talking about maybe the Rams will get him back? They
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: didn't do that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: For sure, they didn't.
• 19:36
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  Speaker 2: So looking at the offense, other than Saquon, if Goddard
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: came through, the good thing is he's off the injury
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: report this week.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's off totally.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: That is really important. I'm just looking at the other.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So did we go through everybody who was limited? You
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: said Bennett. You said Brown. Did you say Grenard and Jenkins?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Grenard limited. Tyler Steen limited.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: That's something we'll watch. The fact that he was out
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: there on Wednesday is really great news. Yes. Because remember,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: it looked bad. He somehow came back and then left.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: The fact that he was out there working to me
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: is a very positive sign. It doesn't mean he's playing,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: but I feel more encouraged about that. By the way,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Fred Johnson, this is important. A full practice. Now, remember,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: if they stick with Markel Bell, which is, I'm sure,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: what they'd like to do, that it didn't look great
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: for him this past game, the fact is, if they
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: ever want to pull the plug on Bell, they need
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: someone else, and that would be Fred Johnson.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And that's a good sign. So he's getting healthier. Other
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: than that, on offense....
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Dylan Hurts. We should talk about him because he had
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a calf injury, and he talked about that. I don't
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: know if people remember, but he actually... He came out
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of the Rams game. I don't think– he wasn't replaced.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: It was just when the offense was coming off the field.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And I was there. I remember seeing it. He got
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: on the bike and started riding it a little bit.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So we knew something was up, but then it just
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: went away. Like he played and nobody talked about it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: But then last week he showed up on the calf
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and he talked about it. He said that the reason
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: he didn't get out onto the field against the Jags
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: right away– was because he was trying to let that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: calf rest. So we might have an answer there, Adam,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: as to why you've seen the least amount of running
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: from Jalen Hurts, both designed and scrambling, than you've ever
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: seen in a three-week span before.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Well, look at week one. But you also have to remember, okay,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: when you're dealing with a short deck like the offensive
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: coaches are doing, some of the things you would have
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: liked to have done, they're out the door. You can't
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: do them. You're just not going to do it. You're
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: going to. You're just trying to survive, okay?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I had a talk with an offensive coach, which I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: clued you in about, and he gave me some great stuff.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: He goes, when you're dealing with what– this guy happened
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to– let's just say he wasn't working on Sunday. He
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: was able to watch the game. And he goes, when
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with this kind of massive issue, you're just
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: trying to survive. Yes. And you're scaling stuff back. Some
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: stuff you thought could have been great this season, you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: junk it until things get clean, meaning you get a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: lot of the guys back. But having Hurts and designing runs, man,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you don't even know what you can get away with
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: because 200 has to freeze and starting on the interior guard,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: left guard, and center. You got a right tackle who
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be playing, okay? Steen gets hurt. What can you
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: possibly achieve that you wanted to achieve? You're trying to
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: win that game. The fact that they actually had the
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: lead late, come on. Right. It's a miracle, to be honest.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It's a great point. I mean, their bread and butter
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts design run for the last few years has
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: mainly been at a spread empty– Motion, the running back out,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: linebacker follows him, and you only have one linebacker to block,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and it was either usually Juergens or Dickerson. Somebody who
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: can get into that second level and cover it up.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they looked at Steen, and I'm sorry, they
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: looked at Majors, and they looked at Lampkin and thought,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this might not be our best guy to go out
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and jump into the second level and try to cover
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: up a pretty good linebacker duo that the Jags had.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So I can understand why they shelved it. And again,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: if Jalen Hurts is his calf, was bothering him enough
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to make him not come onto the field because he's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: getting rest and treatment on it, you can understand why
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: there would be a little reluctance there.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: He took all the ones on Wednesday, number one. Number two,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you should know this, that they didn't add him to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the injury portal after Friday's practice. Right. Which means he
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: was bothering him enough that they were honest about it,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: that they were honest about it. They didn't have to.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: If he took all the ones, you don't have to
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: do that. But good for the Eagles to do the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: right thing there. So, yeah, he's fine. You know, I
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: hope at some point, because calf injuries, unfortunately, if you
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: keep playing on it, they're going to linger. So, oh,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: EJ Jenkins added with a toe injury, limited. We'll have
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to see about that. Not that he's employed as a
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: third string tight end, but they're going to, by the way,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: they're going to continue to play a ton of 11 personnel,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: even though they're down at receiver. Until these coaches feel
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: comfortable with their tight ends, they're just going to be
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: 11 personnel. That's not what they wanted to do.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I don't even know when that point this year is
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: because of their person. Like when can they play 12 personnel?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Well, Goddard, well, Goddard missed a lot of time. Goddard's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: back now. Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I guess with Goddard and Munt, you can do it now,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: but again, you're still, you're still restricting yourself. And as
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: far as moving the ball, when you have a guy
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: out there who's not going to catch the ball, but.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: You're not worried about that. You're where you, you, you
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: understand that. Like it's no different when you put out,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: when they put, when the Giants put out Chris Manhart,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: do you think they gave a shit about Chris Manhart's
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: been on the field?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: No, you're right. I mean, that's your early down 12 personnel,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: but I guess what I'm saying is if you had a,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: another somewhat Goddard-ish type player, you could probably pass a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: little more.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, but they were hoping that, well, rephrase that. They
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: knew when they saw, they knew Stowers was a project
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: when the draft and it wasn't a secret. Then it
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: became more of a project after they went through it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: But on your point, They don't have that other guy.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: That's why Zach Kurtz is here. Not only were they
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: down at tight end, they need someone to catch the football.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I forgot about her.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Good point. I know where you're going here, but Zach
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: is 36 years old. That's not a good situation. This
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is where Howie should have gotten one more. It didn't
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: have to be a great guy. There's a guy I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was hoping they would have signed as Tanner Hudson. who's
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: sort of a journeyman tight end, who's a big dude,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: who could do both the F and the Y stuff.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: He was with the Bengals. He was on their practice squad.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And then they moved him up to be their third
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: tight end. He was on their practice squad. The Eagles
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: could have signed him off there. They didn't. But that's
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: what I was hoping they would do. Yeah. It's just
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: bring someone else, a veteran in, who you know could
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: catch a little bit. Doesn't have to be great.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just so folks know, this is not a
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: second guessing. We probably talked about the uncertainty of the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: tight end position going back to after the draft more
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: than any position outside of maybe offensive line because of
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the injuries last year than any on the offense because
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we knew what they wanted to accomplish with Sean Mannion's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: offense being a modernized West coast and the other, the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: McVeigh's and the Shanahan's of the world, what they do
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and the floor where he was from. And we knew
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that it just didn't, it didn't look right for, for
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: what they had too many one dimensional guys, not enough
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: true wise, you know, and you know, Goddard gets banged
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: up and of course he did. And that really restricted
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: what they could do. So he's just surprising.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: He's their F Goddard is their F in this offense.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: He is. Yeah.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: He used to be a Y, but he doesn't really
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: block well anymore.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know that. I, I, Is he the same
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: guy blocking? No, but it doesn't mean he can't block well.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: We have to understand.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, Greg has even said on tape, it's not
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like he used to be. Again, it's not moving people
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: like he used to, yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But he's not bad.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, not bad.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: You have to remember, and we pointed out on Inside
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the Tape last year, what they were asking these tenants
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to do sometimes was criminal. There's crosswalks and there's whiffing
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and I know people would ask us on Twitter about
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Jack Stoll. Jack Stoll's on the team right now. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: happen to see the transaction, so he's not available. But, yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: how he needs to find somebody. He doesn't need to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: make a trade for a guy. Why not work some
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: tight ends out, for goodness sake?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Geez.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Good idea. Yeah. Anyway.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It's funny. You could probably find five positions that the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Eagles could theoretically make a trade for to really help them,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: whether it's guard center, whether it's tight end, even wide receiver.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of positions. Safety.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: They're going to have to add they're going to have
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to add a multi-position multi-position backup line offensive lineman they
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: have to do that i mean whether it's for a
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: straight free agent trade Whatever they got to do, they
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: have to do. It's just, you can't, if you want
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to be a playoff team, they still absolutely could be
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a playoff team. You can't go through this anymore. They
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: don't control get served, but they control how they react
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: to it. Yep. And this is how it could do. So, oh,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: we should mention that Wicks is back on the injury report.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Remember he had a hamstring injury. He got hurt two
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: weeks ago, then it wasn't on it last week. He's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: on it again now. He worked Wednesday. I wouldn't push
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the panic button, but I just want to let people
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: know that he's back on the injury report. So we'll
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: monitor that. Not good for Kendall. It's four straight practices. Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: One thing that I find to be concerning, and again,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: this is just the first, but we know Hunt is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: really hurt and is not going to be playing on Sunday.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Grenard and Epinesa are both limited. Now, Grenard has been
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: out for a bit here. I mean, at some point,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he's got to get to be a full participant. But, like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you're right now looking at Nolan Smith as the only
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: guy who's on the edge group that's not on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: injury report.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Because Ebikedi is still there, correct?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ebikedi is.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Ebikedi, yeah. He was full, but he's on the report.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's going to be. I don't really worry
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: about a guy who's limited on Wednesday. It's Friday.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Agreed.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So let's see what happens on Thursday. We'll see what
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: happens on Friday.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But we can fairly make the point that he could,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Cunard could practice in full for Thursday, Friday, but he's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: only played 50 snaps all year. His conditioning cannot be
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to the point where you need it to be when
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you're out JLX Hunt.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I know where you're going. He's going
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to have to, because if they're going to be down Hunt,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: they need guys who can give them snaps.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see Epinesa's got the back.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's... And we don't know what Grenard's...
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Could he play 80% of the steps? We have no idea.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I know it's a fair point. It's a good point.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: But he looked fantastic. The tape, we were told, was phenomenal.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: His first step, I'll say it again, it's not Dwight Frinney,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: but his first step, and I forget who he beat,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: his jab. He had a jab step, and he beat
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: this guy badly.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: That was against the Rams, right? It was.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: My beat.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Who's the Rams? It was Alaric. It was Alaric Jackson. Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I know, right? Alaric should have punched him in the face.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: One of the bizarre things I've seen. That reminded me
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of the NBA thing in the offseason. Like, didn't Bam
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: out of bio, like, punch Tyler Harrow somewhere, like, on
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a random spot?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy. Oh, Zach Vaughn, he took all his reps.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: He took all the ones on Wednesday, but he's got
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: a shoulder issue.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Campbell now, okay. Jihad, he did practice in full, of course.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: That's misleading because he's not a full-time starter anymore, according
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to Vic Fangio.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Correct. As long as Jeremiah Trotter does not get kicked
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: out of the game in the kickoff, it looks like
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you'll see that rotation.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I'm following his dad on IG. I wonder if he
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: said anything. Jihad added to– he now has a wrist issue,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: so we'll have to watch that. You mentioned Carter with
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the abdomen. It didn't look good, so he didn't work.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Epinesa with a back did take some reps on Wednesday.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Got to watch that. He's an older player now. He's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: getting up there.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Other than that, Chuma Kuba added with a shoulder issue.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: He took all the ones on Wednesday. He'll start. Again,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Steen did work on Wednesday. That's good. So, yeah, we'll
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: get to the Panthers in a second. But it's way
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: longer this week. But it's not like anything dire. Now
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean a couple of guys might not go
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: on IR. We like Will Shipley. It was been reported
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to have a partial fashion, a fascial tear foot. Let
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: me tell you something, folks talking to players. You want
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: it to be fully torn. One player told me when
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it was partially torn, it was like walking on a
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: box of rocks. He said, it's unbelievably painful. So, yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: So I don't, why would she like knowing that I
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: don't see how Shipley avoids IR. We'll see what happens. Yeah. Um,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, I mean, Jalex Hunt, I just like
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that it didn't sound dire. Obviously, he's not playing this week,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: but it didn't sound dire. We'll see what they do.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: By the way, the transaction deadline to make a decision
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: on IR is Saturday for this week. And you're going
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to want this to count as a week if it's
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: not bad. You're going to want to put him on
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: IR on Saturday, 4 p.m.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Eastern. Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: No, I agree.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I thought one of the positive injury news was that,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: based on how it looked when he went down, that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I think Vic was the one who said Jalex Hunt
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: would be a miracle to play Sunday, so he's not
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: going to play Sunday, but he'll be pushing to get
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: back sooner. And even Hunt said that. Because when I
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: saw it, Adam, I thought, I think this guy's gone
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: for the year. I mean, the way his legs stretched, yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I thought it was bad.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I've seen dislocations. When I saw the Chiefs.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Receiver, Oh, Tyquan Thornton.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a shame. And I was like, I
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: felt so bad because he finally started to come on
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: and a former Belichick second round pick who was a bust. Yep.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's an ankle dislocation. Don't please. I was like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: don't show that again. Please don't. It's awful. But yeah.
• 35:00
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• 35:05
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• 35:06
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• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And I know people have asked us this before we
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: moved to the Panthers. Know that they have a great
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: training staff. it's just bad luck. It really is. This
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: is not the Niners who I question the way they
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: do things. I know they're great. They're a really good team.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: They're not a great team. They're really good. When this
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: happens for four years now, I know they look at
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: this stuff. I'm not questioning that. It's like there's something
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: they're missing because it's inexcusable for this to happen.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I did get a friendly text from an AFC personnel
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: person that I know asking me if there was a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: substation built in Philadelphia. That is great, man.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: No, it's just bad luck. I mean, in fact, I
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: don't know how they've done it so well. Because remember,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: we'd laugh about the practice week for 45 minutes in
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: training camp. Yeah. What is this? Folks, when they first
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: did it, we were like, what is this? Like, this
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. Yes. But there's a method. And then I
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: stopped questioning. I'm like, they know what they're doing. Hey,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: we're wrong. It's great. It works.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, listen, like you said, every once in a while,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the bug's going to bite and nothing you can do
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: All right. So the Panthers are pretty banged up too.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: You know, they've overcome some of their injuries, but I mean,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: they keep piling up in bad spots for them.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get started. So Jonathan Brooks is out who,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: who would have been sharing time with Chuba, but he's
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: muscle core surgery came back from the devastating, the injuries.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It's a shame.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Bryce Young added with a knee, but they didn't practice
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Wednesday folks. They just, they had to release an injury report.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: So they released what these guys would have done if
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: they practiced. Young came out of the bye with a
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: knee issue, but he'll start. Jalen Coker, barring something unforeseen,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: will be able to be in the lineup with a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: quadriceps injury. Xavier Leguero is going to turn out to
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: be a bust. Been a disappointment. He's got a knee issue.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: He's on IR. Chris Brazel, oh, man. LCL, he's out
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: for the season. It's such a shame because I know
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: he's a project, but he's really intriguing. Yep. Um, we mentioned,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: is that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: A newer injury? I know he came out of Louisville, right?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: No. Is that a new one? He got hurt. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: That sucks.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ike Iguana, as we mentioned earlier, Taylor had an injury.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: He got late last season. Rashad Walker filling in for him.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Taylor Morton. He had the blood clots. Um, he started working. Uh,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: you talked about it. Um, really interesting interview. I listened
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to it. It's a scary thing, man. Yeah. being on
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: blood thinners and all that stuff. Monroe Freeling was filling
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: in for him. Now Monroe Freeling had a concussion. He's
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: off the injury report. for that. Now he's got a
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: knee issue. So we got to see what happens. Damian Lewis,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: one of their starting guards, yet another former Seattle player.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Good player. Went healthy. Elbow. Yeah. Elbow injury. He's had
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: it for a couple of weeks. Got to watch that.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I mentioned Brady Christensen out IR. Defensively, Turk Wharton, Richard
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Sean Wharton, but his nickname is Turk. Neck issue was
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: on PUP, reserve PUP. Started working on this week very light.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: They're not ruling him out because he feels good. And
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: yet another season-ending injury. Nick Skorton out of Texas A
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: & M, ACL injury in training camp. So sad. Apparently
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: he had a great off-season from what we heard. So
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: he's out. JC Horn, we mentioned, torn quadriceps. Mike Jackson,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: groin surgery.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: That's their starting corners right there.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: They're about their starting corners. Yeah. Willie, a fourth-rounder rookie
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: out of Texas A & M, is starting with– I
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: mentioned to Caleb Evans, who's– he's a fourth-corner best. He's starting.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: They don't have any depth. Yeah. They're screwed. I know
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: you were joking earlier. You're right. Will they take advantage
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of it? It's real simple. I know– and we look
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: at the YouTube comments, people killing Hurts. Folks, if you
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: isolate throws, the first two games Hurts was damn good.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: You can say all the Hurts haters, you're all wrong.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: He was actually really good. Yes, he sucked in week three.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Week four was shaky in the rain. If you isolate
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: some throws, there's some really good throws. I know he
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: missed some throws. I get it. But there's some encouraging signs.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: We don't wave pom-poms here. We just tell you what
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: we see, what we know, what we hear. He's getting
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: better at this. I know some people are going to say, oh,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: he's a temporal fit for the scheme. I'm not disagreeing,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: but I'm a little bit more optimistic than you are.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And that's all I got.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I just want to put, because
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: we went through so many names, put the perspective in
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: here for the Panthers and their offensive line. So their
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: starting two tackles are supposed to be Ike Iguanu and
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Taylor Moten, who have not played yet this year.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. Moten is, he did, well, like you said, it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't a real practice.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: It didn't sound like he, because this is a return.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: He hasn't, I know Ertz did it. I get that. Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: But this is a look at his condition. I don't
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: know what he was allowed to do.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just surprised they listened to his full in his
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: first practice back from IR.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't get the feeling he was playing this week,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: but we'll see. We'll see.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: But to your point, though, so who has been starting
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: for them was their free agent, which was, by the way,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: a smart, shrewd, a one-year deal they got for Rasheed Walker,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: who was the starting left tackle, and he played a
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: lot of positions left tackle for the Packers last year.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So it's a guy with experience, right? And then they
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: drafted Monroe Freeling, a guy we talked about in the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: pre-draft process. We thought the Eagles might be really on him.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: So they had those guys playing offensive tackle and doing
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a decent job because obviously the Panthers are averaging 30
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: points per game. But now you got Freeling who's been hurt.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's why they're really hoping Moten can come
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: back and play, which we'll have to see. I think
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: we'll have more information on the pregame show for that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Real quick. So this is interesting, though, because you were
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: talking about the offensive line changes. So if Damian Lewis
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't play, he didn't play their last game?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Corey Bullock, who was claimed off waivers, who was an
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: undrafted free agent from the Ravens two years ago, played
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: center and guard. He started, okay, before the bye, their
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: game against the Lions, which, boy, they crushed the Lions'
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: bad secondary. They took advantage of it. Luke Fortner, you
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: might remember from Jacksonville, if you really followed the NFL.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Robert Hunt is the right guard. He's a good player.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I like Robert Hunt. Pretty decent player, yeah.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Formerly of Dolphins and Freeling, who we mentioned. And they've
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: got Tommy Trembling Hills. That was for you, by the way.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Fletch.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: He's a good player, man. They don't use him enough
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: in the past game. He's a really outstanding wide tight end.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I'll leave you with this, folks. The Eagles
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: have a lot of advantage this year. But can they
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: take advantage of it? Their defensive front gets us beat up.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Carolina front. Okay. Vic had to get out of his
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: comfort zone, which you mentioned with Greg. He got out
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: of his comfort zone. He had a blitz because if
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: he can't get on with four, you got to bring five. Yep.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: The stunts only work so much. So I like this matchup.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: It's going to be in the fifties, not the eighties.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Like it was a Wednesday for goodness sake. What the hell?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I actually enjoy the fact that it's going to be
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: in the fifties. I need some fall weather.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: So that is an outlook in the middle of the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: week here for both teams. We'll obviously have everything covered
• 43:52
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• 43:54
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• 43:57
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• 43:59
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