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The Late Debate | 5 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Lizsara, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: so glad you're here.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me tonight are twoman who really need no introduction,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll do one anyway, mister kel Richards.
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  Speaker 2: And Joe Hilda Brand.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad, thank you, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: That's very reassuring.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up tonight in the papers, both Victoria and New
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  Speaker 1: South Wales are insisting they are going to be the
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  Speaker 1: big deciding state at next year's federal election.
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  Speaker 2: We'll walk you through the polls.
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  Speaker 1: And try and figure out who's telling the truth. Gold
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  Speaker 1: Coast Mayor Tom Tait has been called an Australian for
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  Speaker 1: simply telling a counsel that to sit down.
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought that was.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty Australian and Labor's self inflicted tas mayan salmon saga
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  Speaker 1: continues as they desperately try.
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  Speaker 2: To save face.
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  Speaker 1: But first tonight to Queensland, where the Health Department is
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  Speaker 1: in a heck of a lot of trouble as it's
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  Speaker 1: been discovered that their budget has blown out by six
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  Speaker 1: point four billion dollars. That's a lot of shaggy ladies
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  Speaker 1: and gentlemen people have pointed out, that's enough to build
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  Speaker 1: a second cross river rail.
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  Speaker 2: Now this happened after.
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  Speaker 1: Well a lot of things contributed to this, but it
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  Speaker 1: was discovered that crucial services like birthing suites and mortuaries
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  Speaker 1: were left off the blue plants for new infrastructure, which begs.
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  Speaker 2: The question, who the heck is doing up these plans.
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  Speaker 1: Babies are born every day, people die every day. These
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  Speaker 1: are essential services and you managed to leave them off.
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  Speaker 2: A perfect example of a project.
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  Speaker 1: That nearly doubled, actually over doubled in size in terms
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  Speaker 1: of its cost, without the assistance of any extra add
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  Speaker 1: ons is the Hervey Bay Hospital. It was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: cost forty million dollars. It ended up costing ninety four
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  Speaker 1: million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: So what does the government do.
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  Speaker 1: It's got air all over its face.
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  Speaker 2: How do they handle this pr disaster?
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  Speaker 1: They spend one point two million dollars calling in a
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  Speaker 1: contractor consultant to help them out.
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  Speaker 2: To try and convey what's happened to the public.
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  Speaker 1: We read in the Courier Mail the battled Infrastructure division
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  Speaker 1: of Queensland Health spent one point two million dollars calling
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  Speaker 1: in consultants to write a public relations strategy for its
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  Speaker 1: severely blown out construction pipeline health infrastructure. Queensland, which has
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  Speaker 1: control of more than fourteen billion dollar pipeline projects, then
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  Speaker 1: move to start its own breakaway unit of media spinners
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  Speaker 1: with tasks that included effectively identifying and minimizing emergent media risks.
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  Speaker 1: So not only now do we have the consultants who
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  Speaker 1: have already snaffled up one point two million dollars to
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  Speaker 1: fix this pr crisis, now we've got Queensland Health itself
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  Speaker 1: saying well we'll.
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  Speaker 2: Have our own in house spin doctors.
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  Speaker 1: On top of that, Hell Joe like, we don't pay
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  Speaker 1: these people enough to do their jobs and provide services
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  Speaker 1: as essential as health, then we have to fork out
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  Speaker 1: covering up.
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  Speaker 2: They're absolute ineptity.
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  Speaker 4: You don't fix the debt, you just change the way
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  Speaker 4: people think about it. It seems to me if this
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  Speaker 4: happened in a household, if we'd overspent our money, then
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  Speaker 4: we try to save money. We look at where we
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  Speaker 4: could save money. But if the really important thing is
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  Speaker 4: what people think, then what you do is when the
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  Speaker 4: bowlers come and carry out the sofa in the dining
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  Speaker 4: room table, you just sit all the neighbors know, we're
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  Speaker 4: going Swedish minimalist. You see, that's what they're doing. They
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  Speaker 4: just try to control what people think. Not actually they
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  Speaker 4: over the big budget is fourteen billion dollars. They have
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  Speaker 4: overspent by six billion dollars and they don't want to
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  Speaker 4: save any money. They just want to change what you
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  Speaker 4: think about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they don't want to save money, they just
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  Speaker 1: want to save face.
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  Speaker 2: So what amazing?
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  Speaker 5: So this is the Melissa Cadox school of politics. This
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  Speaker 5: is instead of actually just earning money honestly and paying
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  Speaker 5: off all your debts, you just rack up as much
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  Speaker 5: as you possibly can, and then when someone comes a calling.
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  Speaker 5: So oh, I just think I might pop out for
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  Speaker 5: a quick morning jogs. See your ladder, everybody, and next
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  Speaker 5: thing you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, you're foot foot out on the beach.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think you guys as usual, you're just being
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  Speaker 5: terribly unfair, terribly unfair. The man by the government, man
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  Speaker 5: Steven Miles, well like that. I just I can't tell
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  Speaker 5: you how much I love the Queensland Side less Left.
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  Speaker 5: But look, this is yet again another example of shining
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  Speaker 5: bureaucratic efficiency because by simply wishing away a six point
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  Speaker 5: four billion dollar cost blowout with a one point two
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  Speaker 5: million dollar media unit. They have actually produced the same
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  Speaker 5: result for let me just check my notes. One six
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  Speaker 5: thousands of the price not an amazing return on investment.
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  Speaker 2: They should have hired you.
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  Speaker 5: I can actually I'm such a good spin doctor. I
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  Speaker 5: can actually spin the spin. So when the spin doctors
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  Speaker 5: get caught out, I'm the one they turn.
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  Speaker 2: To, right, even to help out the spin doctors. Well.
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  Speaker 1: Health Minister Tom Nichols has asked the department to please
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  Speaker 1: justify this expenditure, and the new Treasurer, David Janetski has
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  Speaker 1: vowed to cut back on the state relying on such
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  Speaker 1: contractors and consultants. He's vowed to back to the tune
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  Speaker 1: of six point eight billion dollars over the next four years.
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  Speaker 1: So these guys are in for a rude awakening, Kell,
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  Speaker 1: because if this is what the LMP government of the
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  Speaker 1: next four years is going to look like, You've got
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  Speaker 1: to say a lot of government contractors are feeling pretty nervous,
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  Speaker 1: right Well.
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  Speaker 4: I would think the first thing you do when you
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  Speaker 4: look at the budget where the money is going, you
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  Speaker 4: discover most of it is going on salaries. So what
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  Speaker 4: do you do with all the bureaucrats who've wasted all
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  Speaker 4: the money. You start sacking a few. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: feel very sorry for the christ of Fula government. They've
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  Speaker 4: inherited a terrible mess. It is a real, real disaster
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  Speaker 4: because not only did labor mismanage, and I do say
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  Speaker 4: the labor left out of different staff Joe, there.
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  Speaker 5: Was a labor rights fault that we lost Queensland to
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  Speaker 5: the labor left.
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  Speaker 4: But still yes, anyway, so in deference to Joe, we'll
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  Speaker 4: admit it was the labor left. But they did a
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  Speaker 4: really bad job of managing the budget, and then they
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  Speaker 4: saw a looming election and they decided the only thing
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  Speaker 4: to do was to spend, spend, spend promises that the
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  Speaker 4: man Chris has inherited all of this. They've had.
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  Speaker 5: Fundations at one point, wasn't it going to be state
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  Speaker 5: run servey?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, But they've increased the public service by tens of thousands.
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  Speaker 4: So they're going to have to be a lot of
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  Speaker 4: public servants who go for Chris Afooley to achieve this.
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  Speaker 1: And whenever they talk about that, everyone invokes the name
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  Speaker 1: of Camble Newman.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Camball Newman did, and look what we did
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  Speaker 2: to him.
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  Speaker 1: Because we've won all our well paid government jobs, and
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  Speaker 1: when they're parting with.
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  Speaker 5: Them, speak of all those poor bureaucrats working twenty four
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  Speaker 5: hours a day just helping people fill up their cars
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  Speaker 5: with fuel.
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  Speaker 4: But they're working, they're way from home, so it's.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the eat of the tax.
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  Speaker 4: It could be worse if they were in America, because
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  Speaker 4: in the United States there's every risk that if you're
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  Speaker 4: a senior public servant and you've served the Joe Biden
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  Speaker 4: government really well, you may be charged with serious crimes
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  Speaker 4: fairly soon or at least what That's what they're starting
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  Speaker 4: to worry about in America. We know that Hunter Biden
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  Speaker 4: has been given by his father this unconditional pardon going
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  Speaker 4: back to twenty fourteen and covering absolutely everything he did
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  Speaker 4: has been charged with, found guilty of, or might have
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  Speaker 4: done that hasn't been discovered yet. Well, now, the suggestion
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  Speaker 4: is that there should be preemptive pardons issued for people
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  Speaker 4: who haven't been charged with anything yet and claiming they
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  Speaker 4: haven't committed any crimes. Great, they should be issued even
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  Speaker 4: before that comes in order to protect them. Let's go
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  Speaker 4: to MSNBC part of the looney Left in America and
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  Speaker 4: see what they have to say about the idea of
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  Speaker 4: preemptive pardons.
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  Speaker 6: I hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons
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  Speaker 6: to all of those people threatened by the unjustice of
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  Speaker 6: what will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 6: That of course includes Jack Smith and all of his staff,
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  Speaker 6: many Department of Justice lawyers. It includes President Biden himself.
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  Speaker 6: Although we don't know that anyone can legally pardon themselves,
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  Speaker 6: he will need a pardon because he is going to
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  Speaker 6: be harassed and charged for no crimes whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has promised that.
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  Speaker 4: And so you think it's only just some linear MSNBC
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. But we're told in the White House
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  Speaker 4: already senior aids to the Biden administration are discussing this
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  Speaker 4: amongst themselves. Should there be pre emptive partns and who
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  Speaker 4: should get the fault He should get a preemptive partner
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  Speaker 4: or Jack Smith, he might give him a preemptive pardon. Now, basically,
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  Speaker 4: what they're doing is reinforcing what President Biden has already said.
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  Speaker 4: He has said his own DOJ Department of Justice is rigged.
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  Speaker 4: That's how Hunter got charged with things. It was only
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  Speaker 4: because the system's rigged. No, I think someone named Trump
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  Speaker 4: has been saying for a long time now. So since
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  Speaker 4: the system is rigged, therefore we have to give preemptive
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  Speaker 4: pardons to people who haven't actually done anything and are
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  Speaker 4: not guilty of anything. It's a wonderful idea, isn't It's.
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  Speaker 5: A brilliant I can't believe we've been going around like
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  Speaker 5: chumps this old time, just pardoning people for crimes they've
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  Speaker 5: actually committed.
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  Speaker 3: We need to get in there. I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 5: Every husband in the world go, oh, this is fantastic, honey.
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  Speaker 5: I'd like to apologize for whatever it is you may
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  Speaker 5: find out that I've done over the last ten years.
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  Speaker 5: I'm terribly, terribly sorry. But look, here's my pardon.
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  Speaker 4: Turning up with flowers for your wife, didn't She says,
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  Speaker 4: what have you done? And you say nothing? Now but
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  Speaker 4: next Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's right, that's right? But this, but
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  Speaker 3: this is absolutely amazing.
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  Speaker 5: Firstly, the howlkel, I'm sure you would have picked up
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  Speaker 5: on it. MSNBC has labeled it the Department of Unjustice in.
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  Speaker 3: Justice not injus.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, that's a crappy enough pun as it is
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  Speaker 5: it's like is your news limited? That was Guy rund
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  Speaker 5: Along Q and a by the way, hi guy, how
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  Speaker 5: are you?
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  Speaker 3: How's a new career going? Anyway?
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  Speaker 5: But the but the idea that you would actually think that, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: the Department of Justice, which we are saying is and
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  Speaker 5: correct me if I've got the lodge wrong here. The
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  Speaker 5: Department of Justice, which we say is so precious and
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  Speaker 5: pure that we cannot risk it being corrupted by Donald Trump. However,
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  Speaker 5: is also corrupted enough in its current form to not
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  Speaker 5: be able to guarantee a fair prosecution and trial of
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  Speaker 5: Hunter Biden, which is why I therefore have to pardon him.
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  Speaker 5: But I also have to pardon all the other people
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  Speaker 5: in the future who the Department of Justice, which is
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  Speaker 5: now the Department of Unjustice as a department as opposed
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  Speaker 5: to the Department of Injustice. So the Department of grammatical
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  Speaker 5: Injustice is now bad er than it was. So now
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  Speaker 5: what is he to just pardon everybody? Just everybody?
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  Speaker 7: I think that's what.
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  Speaker 3: They're That's what they're like. You get a parton, and
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  Speaker 3: you get a parton, and you get a party, and
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  Speaker 3: you get a parton. Look on your seat.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a part of The hilarious part about this
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  Speaker 1: is it's an outright admission of guilt.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you need all.
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  Speaker 1: These pardons if nobody's done anything wrong, What are you
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  Speaker 1: afraid of? Even if does prosecute certain figures, which he
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  Speaker 1: has threatened to do, if they're.
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  Speaker 2: Innocent, what do you care at all time?
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  Speaker 5: Because of the process, the Department I'mjustice targets the just.
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  Speaker 5: That's it's going to be the opposite stay. It's like
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  Speaker 5: bizarro world. If you're say it's so bad, the Department
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  Speaker 5: I'm Justice is suddenly going to become evil. It's going
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  Speaker 5: to go, Oh, I've got to find all the people.
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  Speaker 3: Who have followed the law over the past four years.
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  Speaker 1: Stration I always say when it comes to the Department
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  Speaker 1: of Justice, the joke is in the name. I mean this,
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  Speaker 1: this blanket pardon which excuses Hunter Biden from anything he's
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  Speaker 1: done since January two thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Jackson's son is also going.
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  Speaker 1: To part interesting year that that is the year that
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  Speaker 1: the Ukrainian government was overthrown while Joe Biden was VP
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  Speaker 1: and in charge of Ukrainian relations. Then Hunter in twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen was mysteriously put on the board of Burisma, a
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  Speaker 1: Ukrainian energy company, despite Hunter having absolutely no relevant skills.
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  Speaker 1: He then set up meat and greets between that energy
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  Speaker 1: company and people working for a biolab They're in Ukraine,
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  Speaker 1: which was started under the Obama administration. The point of
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  Speaker 1: the story is a lot of Ukrainian dollars to the
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  Speaker 1: tune of millions were pocketed by the Biden family during
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  Speaker 1: this time. Hunter Biden was merely the bad boy for Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: and by giving Hunter this pardon, Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 2: Has let himself off the hook.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Trump was actually impeached for trying to uncover the
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  Speaker 1: Biden crime family, the very crimes that they were very
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  Speaker 1: worried about. Trump uncovering was the very thing he was
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  Speaker 1: impeached for.
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  Speaker 2: And now Joe Biden's.
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  Speaker 1: Just gone, I'm not putting up with that again. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just giving this blanket pardon. My family is now in
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  Speaker 1: the clear. But this has been spoken about, these blanket
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  Speaker 1: pardons for all and sundry for quite a while. Now
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  Speaker 1: check out this guy, Ed Markey. He's a US Senator,
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  Speaker 1: a Democrat. Of course, he said last month. If it's
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  Speaker 1: clear by January nineteenth that revenge is his Trump's intention,
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  Speaker 1: then I would recommend to President Biden that he provides
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  Speaker 1: those preemptive pardons to people, because that's really what our
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  Speaker 1: country is.
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  Speaker 2: Going to kneed next year.
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  Speaker 1: He emphasized the healing potential of a presidential pardon. Quote
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  Speaker 1: Nick Nixon's pardon allowed our country to just close that
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  Speaker 1: chapter and just move on to a new era.
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  Speaker 2: I think that.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden would be very well be in the same situation,
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  Speaker 1: and people will look back and say, that's what our
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  Speaker 1: country wants.
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  Speaker 2: So the beacon no justice.
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  Speaker 5: I'm enjoying this so much so so I'd have to
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  Speaker 5: make sure I'm just.
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  Speaker 3: On the right page here.
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  Speaker 5: So the moral beacon of the current Democratic Party is
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  Speaker 5: Richard Nixon, post.
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  Speaker 3: Watergates the irony, Like, not before we knew he did it,
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  Speaker 3: but after he went out and was like pardoning everyone.
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  Speaker 5: Of the LA that's your guy. You know, we need
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  Speaker 5: to turn back. You know, it's like there Ben Shiffley,
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  Speaker 5: the Light on the Hill. We need to look back
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  Speaker 5: at the heroes of Democratic past, but.
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  Speaker 3: See what they were doing. What did Richard Nixon do?
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  Speaker 3: After all?
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  Speaker 4: Right, but the people who are wanting these pre empty
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  Speaker 4: pardons are the same people who were so ready to
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  Speaker 4: rush in and defend the fact that Joe has given Hunter,
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  Speaker 4: so many Democratic leaders have rushed in decided it was
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  Speaker 4: wonderful that Joe gave Hunter a pardon? Or did they?
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  Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer is the leader of the Democrats in the Senate.
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  Speaker 4: Here's how strongly he came to the defense of Joe
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  Speaker 4: and Hunter.
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  Speaker 8: Agree with some of your Democratic College sy that President
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  Speaker 8: Biden's parted a Hunter Biden and his wrong or unwise
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  Speaker 8: puts personal interest.
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  Speaker 3: Ahead of duty. I got nothing for you on that.
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  Speaker 9: Can I pull up on that?
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  Speaker 2: Concerned black transparency, lack of honesty.
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  Speaker 5: Around my institute.
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  Speaker 3: As I said, I got nothing for you on that noe.
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  Speaker 8: Parting anyone on the way out of office, Stanley members
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  Speaker 8: set support.
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  Speaker 3: President, Thank you. I've got nothing for you on that.
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  Speaker 10: But the question is they talked about January sixth, parties.
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  Speaker 10: This is a playbook for incoming President Trump. Isn't this
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  Speaker 10: a problem? Did he not establish a bad precedent for partners?
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  Speaker 3: I got nothing for you on that. I want any
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  Speaker 3: other subjects.
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  Speaker 4: It is wonderful, I've got nothing for you on that.
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  Speaker 4: I love that he's not prepared to defend the hunt
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  Speaker 4: of Biden pardon once quite would like one himself, just
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  Speaker 4: in case to be covered. It's not the only thing
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  Speaker 4: the Biden government is doing. They got money.
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  Speaker 1: Very concerned with pardons because Trump has elected very very
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  Speaker 1: strong characters, absolute bulldogs, to head up his do O
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  Speaker 1: J to head up advisory of the FBI, etc.
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  Speaker 2: And so on.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the good reason that these people want their pardons.
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  Speaker 2: They know what's coming.
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  Speaker 1: But something else the Democrats are very scared about will
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  Speaker 1: be ruined by the Trump administration is the billions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars they have been funneling into little agency here, little
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  Speaker 1: nonprofit there, to the tune of one hundred billion dollars
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  Speaker 1: throughout the Biden administration to solve the climate crisis. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: so today we learn that fifty four Democratic lawmakers have
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  Speaker 1: penned a letter asking Biden to quickly distribute the climate
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  Speaker 1: funds before he leaves office, before Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Can ruin it all.
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  Speaker 1: We read in Politico today, fifty four Democratic members of
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  Speaker 1: Congress has signed on to a letter asking President Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden to lock in future climate change initiatives by dispersing
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  Speaker 1: the promised funds before he leaves office. The letter urges
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  Speaker 1: the move to quote ad future politicization or manipulation of
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  Speaker 1: climate programs end quote before President elect Donald Trump and
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  Speaker 1: a Republican led Congress take over.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this letter came out the same day as the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Biden administration proudly announced that it had sponsored over twenty
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: three thousand agencies using funds that they were allowed to
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: use via their House This for an ironically named bill.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: The Inflation Reduction Act.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: They've literally reached the threshold of the expenditure, which was
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars, and.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: They're still pressing for more.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Well, our mates at Project Veritas, you might remember these guys.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: They love doing these undercover interviews with a person sitting
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: down on the other side of the table has absolutely
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: no idea they're talking to a reporter from Project Veritas.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: They went undercover to to someone from the.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: EPA who, unbeknownst to him, just gave them the mother
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: load of what they're up to behind the scenes in
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the Biden administration.
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: So an EPA so a lot of times amazing.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: So I do you know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: The PLAT production back cool?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: Okay, Biden's timate long, yes, yeah, So I do hire impremutations.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: I work with like Biden appointees, somebody that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: We've given out.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: We've given out.
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: Like tens of billions.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Of dollars like I had last year.
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: I'll hid we given out like fifty million dollars. Fifty
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: million dollars billion, Billy would be fifty billion dollars now
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: just having to get the money out is half as
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: possible before they come in, like top really basically after
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: it all is now, I mean now would always like
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: it truly feels like run at work, throwing like the
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: part off the top when they come in, we haven't
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: gotten out the door and.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: They get stopped in.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like two months.
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: No, I think they gave them the money because it
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: was harder if it was a government run program they
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: could get the money your way one, because it was
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: it was an experience politic and comboining for like these
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: are basically like non profit intitutionis that morning covering the
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: entire country. They could have been a coy agency, but
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: because they aren't a sper from the publican decision and
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: these guys are like saving the world literally.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: An insurance policy in case those Trumpers get in. Well,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: they're on the way now, kel and I'm sure that
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: they will be in this nonsense act asap.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: One of these guys described it as throwing gold bars
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: off the Titanic, which is That's not the only thing
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: happening in the United States at the moment. There's an
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: important case currently before the U. S. Supreme Court Tennessee
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: pastor law making it illegal to give transgender or gendersphoric
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: children of the kind of chemical treatment, the kind of
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: chemical castration, or puberty blockers, or any sort of medical
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: treatment while they are still children. That's now illegal in Tennessee,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: not just in Tennessee, in about half of the American states,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: about twenty six American states. So the Supreme Court justices have,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: according to The Daily Mail, have hinted where they stand
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: on this transgender medicine. They've they're hearing an appeal from
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: the Biden government saying we want the Tennessee law canceled.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: If it's canceled, of course, it will be canceled in
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: all the other twenty five states that have got it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: And the kind of arguments that have been put up,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: some of them are interesting, some of them are quite strange.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: For example, Justice Jackson, an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: is saying banning this sort of transgender treatment for children. Well,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: it's like banning into racial marriage.
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: The question was whether it was discriminatory because it applied
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: to both races, and it wasn't necessarily invidious or whatever.
• 21:59
  Speaker 11: But I read the statute here, excuse me the case here.
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: You know, the court starts off by saying that Virginia
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: is now one of sixteen states which prohibit and punished
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: marriages on the basis of racial classifications. And when you
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: look at the structure of that law, it looks in
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: terms of incontinuing you can't do something that is inconsistent
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: with your own characteristics. It's sort of the same thing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: As far as I could follow her reasoning, she's now
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: saying child is now a race and has to be
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: treated as a race. No, children are people who don't
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: understand consequences. There are reasons why children cannot choose on
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: their own to make decisions which will alter them for
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: the rest of their lives, because they're not good about
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: thinking about how things are going to be the Wednesday
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: after next. Children can't understand consequences. And there are a
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: lot of risks in this disputed surgery. And this came
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: up in an exchange between Donald Trump's prosecutor is Solicitor
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: General and Judge Alito.
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: After the filing of your petition, of course, we saw
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: the release of the Cast Report in the United Kingdom
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: which found a complete lack of high quality evidence showing
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: that the benefits of the treatments in question here outweigh
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: the risks. I wonder if you would like to stand
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: by the statement that you made in your petition.
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: I of course acknowledged Justice Alito that there is a
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: lot of debate happening here and abroad about the proper
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: model of delivery of this care and exactly when adolescents
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: should receive it, and how to identify the adolescence for
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: whom it would be helpful. But I stand by that
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: there is a consensus that these treatments can be medically
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: necessary for some adolescents.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: And she says that after the Tavistock Clinic in Britain
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: was closed down because of what it was doing to
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: young children. The report that was referred to, the Cash Report,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: was done by doctor Hillary Cash. Baron is Cash, who
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: is an expert in pediatrics. There's there's a huge debate
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: in the community, and it looks like what is happening
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: in the so called gender affirming treatment. That is, you
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: take children who have gender dysphoria, who were confused about
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: gender and you affirm their confusion. That's what gender affirming
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: sort of treatment is. It's being practiced in Australia by
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: gender affirming clinics, and we are worse off than they are, Liz,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: because we're not discussing it directly.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Don't think we don't allow operation.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Four or five times we've had this proposals as something
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: the Senate should look at, and we're just not looking
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: at it. We're not thinking about it, we're not discussing it,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: we're not debating it. And so little children are having
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: their bodies changed, but.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: They're not dark how they're not don't we don't allow.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: It's against the law in Australia for any surgical procedures
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: against minors transit.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: The medical procedures of puberting blockers damage them for life.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And there have been cases Joe like double missectomies.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Not for underta.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And get certain yes it was approved for a certain
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: fifteen year old, but certainly where Senator pull Into Hanson
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: has tried five times now to get upper movement in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the Senate, which simply says, let's have an inquiry into this.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: The UK have banned it. It is no longer happening
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: in the UK. The CAST report was so comprehensive they
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: came out and said, we are not transitioning children any more.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: No more cross sex hormones, no more gender blockers. Sorry,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: what am I looking for?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: The Tabubany book huby blockers, thank you very much, which
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: have been shown to affect your fertility for the rest
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of your life, as well as bone density and any number.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Of other issues.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: We've had child psychiatrists and pediatricians here in Australia even
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: stood down from their jobs because they refuse to go
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: along the narrative of gender affirming care.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: They said, I can't do it. It goes against my morals.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: This is completely wrong.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: But we seem to be, like you say, kel behind
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world here because several Western countries
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: now have banned the practice all together, and as you say,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: we're not even looking into it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that the thing that happens is going
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: to happen in the US, I believe, and I think
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: that was what the rather strange argument being made by
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: Justice Jackson was comparing to interracial marriage is very strong because, well,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: I think, but I don't think the Supreme Court, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I might be wrong, but I don't think the Supreme
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Court can tell a state that has jurisdiction over a
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: matter that it can and can't do something because it's
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: harmful to children, or because it's this and that, or
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: because you.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Know this argument. You know the Cast Review in the
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: UK said this or that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: All the Supreme Court can do is decide whether or
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: not what the state is doing is unconstitutional. If it
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: violates the US Constitution, then they can say, sorry, you
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: can't do this, because our job is to uphold the
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: US Constitution. And I think what the Justice would have
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: been saying is that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: It's hard to sort of get.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: An idea, but the Constitution says you're not allowed to
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: treat people differently based on race. She said with Tennessee
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: before tried to say, well, we're banning into racial marriage.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: We're not treating people differently based on race. The ban
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: applies both to both equally, and that would be what
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: the state is saying here that it applies to everybody,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: so it's not actually unconstitutional. Whereas the whereas the Supreme
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Court could potentially find that anything that has some laws
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: for some people, say for example women and roe versus
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Wade or versus men, and not for other people, that
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: could be unconstitual.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I think that's the arguments she's trying to make, but
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: it's a weird.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: One in a very nonsensical way.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't see how that is very relevant at all,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Justice Jackson. But of course we know the Supreme Court
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: does have a majority of conservatives on it, so I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: sure I'm pretty confident we can.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Be confident of a good ruling in this case.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Back to Australia now, where Daniel Molino Labor MP has
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: called Australia Day contraversal.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Here he was last night talking to Shari.
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: Australia Day has evolved further and it is fair to
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: say that it has become somewhat controversial in parts of
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: our community, and I think we're in an interesting transition
• 28:22
  Speaker 13: at the moment with Australia Day. I think as a
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: country we are going through a process where different parts
• 28:28
  Speaker 13: of our community are wanting to treat Australia Day differently.
• 28:31
  Speaker 13: I don't know what the endpoint is going to be.
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: What I'd say is there's no single rule here.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about, mate?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: The polls all say, the balls all say the vast
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: majority of Australians one to Australia Day left alone, one
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to celebrate our national day and the glorious nation that
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: we live in. It seems to me this entire narrative
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is around telling us that we can only be ashamed.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Of what the settlers did when they.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Came here, and we can't be proud of what they
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: actually achieved.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: This makes absolutely no sense.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And like I keep saying, Joe, you can't change the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: date of a birthday, and we all know even if
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: he did change the date, everyone would still have the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: same issue with the new date because you are essentially
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: still celebrating the exact same thing.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Well, there are lots of sort of bvides can do this,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: The first thing to say is that Danie Moleno was
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: just the epitome of a person, a politician who is
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: trying to say absolutely nothing while keeping the words coming
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: from his mouth so it didn't look like it was
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: absolutely nothing, while at the same time having a panic attack,
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: while at the same time trying to realize the exact
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: composition of his electorate of Fraser but I think. I
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: think firstly, there will be obviously politicians who represent the
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: lefier and leftier, more affluent in the suburbs, who are
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: worried about a backlash against them from all the activists
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: who don't like Australia or whatever and are trying to
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: get seats back from the Greens in the case of
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: the Labor Party.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And so that's just he doesn't actually believe that he's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: shilling for votes.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Well, what's he actually saying. He's saying, he's not saying anything.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: He's not even staking a position on it. He wants
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: to be seen quite evidently, quite evidently, it is controversial.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: There are protests against it all the time. Point he's
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: not going into swing. He's not going to swing in
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: for it, and he's not going to swing in against it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: He's just saying absolutely nothing. I, however, have the perfect
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: solution for everybody. Do you tell This week marks the
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: I think one hundred and seventieth anniversary of the Eureka
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Stockade Rebellion, when the Mighty Miners under Peter Lalor rose
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: up against the injustice and tyranny of a government. And
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: it's got absolutely everything you want in a national Day. Firstly,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: the Eureka flag is an awesome flag.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: It looks really good.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: It's been it's been co opted by the far right
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: and the far left. You could bring it back to
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: the mainstream and say no, you guys don't get to
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: take it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Sorry cfm AU.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Sorry is the white supremacist neo Nazis we're taking It's
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: going to be our flag now.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: It looks really good, looks better.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't be controversial at all than any of the
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: other flags that have been put forward as a suggestion
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: to replace the current standard that we have.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: This is a moment that appeals you're talking.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: About replacing the flag as well as Australia Day.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Everything, because you've got firstly, you've got what a moment,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: what a moment of national unity?
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Right, This is Australia's answer to This is Australia's answer
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: to the Boston Tea Party, because these are miners rising
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: up and say no taxation without representation. But it's also
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: workers rising up for their rights, and so again it
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: appeals to both the right and the friends of liberty
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: and no taxation without representation, and it also appeals to
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: the left because of course it's all about defending workers'
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: rights in the face of an exploitative colonialist government, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: just to even just put this perfect little cherry on
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: the top. It is also a great celebration of multiculturalism
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: because far from being the sort of all white Anglo
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Irish miners who were rising up and everything, the first
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: death at Areka Stockade, I think it was the first
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: person hanged after they were all rounded up, or whether
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: the were gone, the spot was actually a black African American.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: One of the first. The history was written by Raphael Carboni,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: so yes, it was a multi ethnic thing. I'm glad
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: you're catching up because about ten years ago, I think
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: twelve years ago, I suggested this to John Howard. We
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: talked about the one and it became obviously ten years.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Ago, Kell you were talking about changing the date of Australia.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: It occurred to me anyway, hang on, hang on, I've
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: worked through this. I know what's wrong. It's a bad idea,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: and it's a bad idea because in fact it's not
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: a big national significant event. It's not big enough. It
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: didn't start the country in the way the American Revolution
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: did and their independence day July the fourth did for them.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: You can't change a birthday. You were born on the
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: twenty third of June. We can't pretend you weren't. You
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: were modern Australia began on the twenty sixth of January.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: We can't pretend otherwise. And nailed it because when she said,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: we have got to stop being ashamed of settlement, because
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: that's what everyone wants. If we changed it to would
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: say we're ashamed of settlement. We're not ashamed of settlement.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: We've got to say people came here who had a
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: developed civilization which they shared in the end with the
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: people who were Do you know what happened when Australia
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: was claimed for a Britain. Every person living here, every
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: human being, whether they were indigenous or they were convictors,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: became a British citizen under the British law. They and
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: they got all these gifts such are settlers. They got engineering,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: they got the wheel, which they hadn't better, They got
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: a written language, they got trial by jewy, they got
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: presumption of innocent. Huge amounts of things arrived. Settlement was good.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: We must stop being ashamed of settlement.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: I think first thing first, just to create the historical
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: record before it comes in There was no Australia in
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: seventeen eighty eight, and there was no Australia until nineteen
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: oh one New Year's Day. That was when the nation
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: of Australia was born. What happened on what happened on
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: seventeen eighty eight was that Arthur Philip raised the flags
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: except the win Jackson except I thought it was a
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: birthday and there was no way you could change birthday.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Well, it was ready raised the flags. No one.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Subjects, not citization day.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: It's been yeah, but not the foundation of Australia.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: That was the foundation of the Colony of New South
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Wales CULP, which is the rit Australia.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: All the same rights, all the same privileges.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Et cetera, all the same diseases.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I genuinely think the settlers always get such a bad
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: end of the straw because throughout Western history they're like, oh,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: these white people came to our country, and wasn't it terrible. Really,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: they were visiting ancient tribes who hadn't.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Figured out how to make.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: A will, yet they bought with them medicine, the idea
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of government, how to run a cohesive society, lay.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Roads or probably didn't have the medicine that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: We brought, all the better for nobody.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Know we didn't have We didn't bring the many medicine
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: when the diseases were killing you. We didn't have the
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: medicine for the diseasion, and you were allowed to beach
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: of free country. We had not ashamed of settlement.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: You just have to acknowledge the history. You just have
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: to get the history right.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: We can acknowledge the history, but.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: None of it. The history that's completely wrong.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: The killer they said at the top of the topic,
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: we are being told to be ashamed of that which happened,
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: which we all know about, which was shameful, without being
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: allowed to then be.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: It's the same if you want to say, as you
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: would say, we came here with the best of intentions.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: There was a from King George. It said, please treat.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: The native populations with the utmost friendliness and care, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Arthur Philip did try to do that, and then there
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: was some violence and things escalated, but both sides. That's yeah,
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: that's that's what I'm saying. There was violence between both
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: of them, So there was initially some of the For
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: the first few weeks of the colony, everyone lived together
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: really well, and then there was I think there was
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: some Arthur Phillip said anyone who harms the native will
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: be hung or hanged, sorry.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Hung, and they were hung.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: And then there and then there was some black violence
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: against white and so those people were inscald.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: That's why I'm explaining it to you. But you could say,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: and you can actually say, and what you should say
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: is that we brought all manner of disease that which
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: was by far the biggest killer of them. We didn't
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: have any medicine for it. All we had was a
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: natural immunity that they did not. It wiped out half
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: their population. But we didn't do it on purpose. It
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: wasn't done with malice. It wasn't a state orchestrated genocide
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: as has happened in other countries. There was settler violence
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: on the frontiers down the track. But that's how you
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: tell the story. You tell it proper, you don't wrap
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: it up in a little pink bo and say, wasn't.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: It all We want to.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Keep us citizens Australia and we didn't have any medicines.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: So's just we've got to.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Go to a break now.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: But stay tuned, will bring you tomorrow's news tonight.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: In a bit welcome back.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: This is the part where we bring you tomorrow's news tonight.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Kel you've got the Australian.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I have got the Batchee Daily and the big splash
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: headline on the front page says b B two pm,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: you are inviting terrorism. So it's the Prime Minister of Israel,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Benjamin Netanya who writing to our Prime minister. The story says,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: quote the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnia, who
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: has strongly criticized the Albanezi government over its retreating support
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: for Israel and promotion of Palestinian statehood at the United Nations.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: In comments provided exclusively to The Australian, the office of
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: mister Niah who said, quote the disappointing change in position
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: of the United Nations would undoubtedly quote invite more terrorism
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: and more anti Semitic riots on Western campuses and city centers,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: including they say Australia. I find it really bizarre. I
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: don't understand why Penny Wong and Anthony Albanesi are taking
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the position they have for a long time. It was
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: a bipartisan position by all the major parties. We will
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: support the state of Israel, it's the ancestral homeland of
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: the Jewish people. It's a democratic notion in the Middle East.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: They our allies. Bob Hawk certainly took this line, and
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: for some reason, Pennywong and Anthony Alberanesi have taken the
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: line of no, no, no. Our traditional support for Israel
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: is gone, and we're going to support the Palestinians. They
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: don't seem to understand they're even out of step with
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: the Palestinians. They keep talking about a two state solution.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: The official Palestinian line is a one state solution that
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: runs from the Mediterranean seat of the jaw Ord River,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: with no Israel in between. So I simply I cannot
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: grasp what they think they're achieving, except perhaps propping up
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: the votes of Muslim voters in some Australian electrics. Surely, Joe,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't be as calible.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: The true state solution thing hasn't changed.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: That's exactly the same as it was under Bob Hawk,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: as it is under Anti Albanesi. I think the difference
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: has been that they have been more forthright in advancing
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: the case for the establishment and recognition of Palestine as
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: a sovereign state. So back in the old days, think
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: the whole thing was just in the too hard baskets. Oh, yes,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: we believe in a true state solution, okay, everybody.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there is no Palestine at the moment, so there's
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: no workable two state solution. What they're trying to do
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: is to go ahead of the facts and pretend there
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: is such a thing as a Palestine.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Well, they're trying to fast track that and that's what
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: this resolution is about, and that's what the previous resolution
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: they support.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: It was about.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: So they have become more assertive in pursuing the two
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: state solution.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: The objective, not more assertive.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: They've actually changed their support from the two state solution
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: to pushing something which doesn't exist at the moment and
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: is controlled by terrorists wherever it. Let's stay with the
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Australian with the National broad treat because it's such a
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: good newspaper. Also on the front page on the top
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: right hand side, there's a story about the salmon Battle,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: the battle between different aspects of the Labor Party, the
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: bits that Joe agrees with and the bits he doesn't
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: agree with. The salmon fishing and salmon fishing industry on
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: the West coast of Tasmania is enormous. This story, says
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi has floated a radical solution to the Tasmanian
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: salmon standoff, granting fish farms in Macquarie Harbor as national
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: interest exemptions from federal environmental laws. The federal environmental laws
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: that could it a few are those being proposed by
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Taniel Pleppersek, which would say, there is a fish called
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: the mcgean skate, if I'm pronouncing that correctly, and the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: mcgean skate might actually become extinct because so much of
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the oxygen is being taken out of the water by
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: these huge fish farms. And if five thousand people lose
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: their jobs, well, as long as the little skate survives,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: that's perfectly all right, according to Tanya Blubisik, and lose.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Out on millions hundreds of millions of dollars that salmon
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: brings into the Tasmanian ecmpomy. On top of that, what
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I can't get about this, Joe, is this has already
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: been hanging over the salmon industry in Tasmanian's heads.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: For twelve months. Yeah, what theyck is happening.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And now the Albanezi government has turned around and said, oh,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: we're just going to wait till after.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: The election to make a call.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: So you've already lost those votes, because then you've got
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Dutton who's come out and said, you guys are safe
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: with us.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Even if they.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Do pass something that will trash the industry in Tasmania,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: we will.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Get rid of it, we will repeel it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: So if you're in the salmon industry in Tasmania, you're
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: already voting liberal.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Why is he now just.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Further confusing it, being like, oh, new idea two seconds
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: to midnight. And again everybody knows because they've already.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Said so they're actually not going.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: To make a call before Tasmanians go to the polic.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Well, I suppose they're trying to what they's so you're
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: absolutely right, this is a ridiculous thing. And this the
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: Maugian skate is this weird sort of ray fish. It's
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: very ugly, only lives, it's very ugly. Apparently it's related
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: to the dinosaurs, which I thought the birds were. It
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: only lives in Macquarie Harbor, which is where all the
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: salmon farms are, and so of course all the inner
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: city environmentalists on the mainland, well we have to save
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: this thing.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: It's on the verge of extinction.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: There are three marginal seats, plus another the seat of Franklin,
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: which I think is the seat of the actual Agriculture
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: and Fisheries Minister. And a nice little twist and she
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: is all over that joint.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: She has just on.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: She's on the red eye every night back and from
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: from Tasmania, and half the cabinet's been down there as well.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: They will definitely intervene to stop this ban or suspension
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: or pause on salmon farming going ahead. I guarantee they
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: will absolutely do that. The question is how they do it.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: So the Environment Minister Taniel Peters has the power in
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: her hands to say right boink not, you can't do
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: the salmon farming and you.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Can't do it for no. He wants to stop her
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: from doing that. He wants to stop her from pausing.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: That is exactly what he's doing.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: That's why, that's why he's the Prime minister. If he's
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: got any leadership, he pulls.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: His That's that's right, and that's what he's doing. But
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: that is what he's doing.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: As her into his offices. I'm the Prime and ill
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: you to.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Be surprised in the Western system of government. That's not
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: as easy as it looks. That's slightly more Europe and
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: South America. No, he has developed a mechanism by which
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: he can protect this harbor, this industry from anything tany
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: p does.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Do it, all right, that's what he's done.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, Joe tomorrows for him. Do tomorrow's newspapers tell us
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: it's likely to work for well.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: No, that's a this is what he's saying. He's saying.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: No matter if if Tanniel plup sect does decide to
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: do this, I can carve.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Out interesting Tomorrow's newspaper.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Tomorrow's newspapers say nothing about this whatsoever. Tomorrow's newspaper in fact,
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: and this is one of the greatest things I just
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: love about the news industry, and especially my beloved Daily Telegraphs.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: So let's go to look at that. First of all.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: No, it's not the fact that Sam Arntige is single again,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: but that's lovely to know as well. But it is
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: the fact that James Campbell has an exclusive yarn PM's
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: hometown will decide the election new poll Backyard Blitz. Five
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: labor seats in New South Wales are poised to swinging
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: to the Coalition and Peter Utton and next to his
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: federal election. Exclusive new polling shows setting up a fierce
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: battle in Anthony Albanese's own backyard. Love it great yarn
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: you know Crack and reporter Crack and research Costamaris and
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Redbridge again who the PM says. I don't think they
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: like me very much because they all their polling seems
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: to be a bit negative.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: On porld Albo not just accurate.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Then I was interested to see in the Herald Sun
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: the other great News Corp masthead the exact same yeah,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: by the exact same reporter James Campbell, but this time.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: It's battlevound battleground Victoria.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Exclusive shock poll reveals Coalition on course to pick up
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: at least one labor seat in our state, with four
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: more in balance in mid Angrave Costs a living crisis
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: James Campbell and George Georgie title as well. Shot view
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: polling shows the Coalition is likely to pick up one
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: seat in Victoria, with another four labor held electorates now
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: in the balance as our state emerges as the key
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: battleground in next year is Freder election, which this news
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: reportage at its fighters talk about the local angle, exact
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: same data, the exact same story, and New South Wales
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: and Victoria.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Have both got no. No, it's our state. It's our state.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: That's better. I can fortunately settle this. The Daily Telegraph
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: is always right. Of course, that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Was too predictable.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Just quickly before we go to another break, the NT
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: News has a cracker Tracy, you bitch, symbol of defiance.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: It became one of the defining images of the destruction
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: wrought by Cyclone Tracy. Now fifty years on, a Darwin
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Locals crumpled holden tarana has been recreated for the reopening
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: of the Northern Territories Museum and Art Gallery Cyclone Tracy Exhibition.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And if you want to know more about that, we
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: did a doco just last week on it, which you
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: can still watch online.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: We've got to go to a break, just very quickly,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Can we just pull up that image for just one second,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: because I want to say something very telling. If you
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: look at the back of the tarana, they've spelt Tracy wrong,
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: which I think is the most boguan Australian thing ever.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Go Territory do it spelt wrong as well?
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: It's just amazing. I love it so much.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: We've got to go to a break. We'll see you
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in a few minutes. Don't go away, welcome back. Well.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: While his team are talking about preemptive pardons for themselves
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and the corrupt government that has been where is Biden,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you might ask, Well, he's pulling his signature move during
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a climate meeting in Africa US.
• 47:14
  Speaker 14: In support of the development of the Orbito Corrido. Tanzania
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: have used the Orbito Corrido as an integral quetro broad
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: strategy connectivity in Africa.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Also the factor that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: He's turned out, I mean, are you going to watch?
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Are you going to miss the sleep in the last.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: Four years, I been to one of those conferences, but
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: I can promise you catching a few z's is the
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: smartest possible course of action that shows a man in
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: the prime of his faculties.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Except that he's caught on camera, which is not wonderful.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: I've got to say last Christmas, my little grandson's going
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: to be a pair of socks. One sock said, Grandpa
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: is not asleep. The other sock said, he is just
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: resting his eyes. Basically, that's what dear old Joe actually needs.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: I am I'm just resting my eyes on his shirt.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: I'm not asleep. I'm just preemptively pardoning everyone I know.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Before we leave you. Tonight, the UK has.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Unveiled their new top model and it is groundbreaking.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: It is history making.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: The headline reads, in a historic victory, Alex Consani his
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: crown Model of the Year at the twenty twenty four
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Fashion Awards.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Why is this historic.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Well because Alex is a man now. Previous winners are
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: famous supermodels that our household names, the likes of Naomi Campbell,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Beautiful Woman, Kara Delavine, Kate Moss, who has graced the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: front pages of every glossy magazine for decades. But of course,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: would it really be a groundbreaking historic appointment if we
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: didn't include a biological man.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: So I didn't even know cifil model.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: If I had have known it was opened to biological men,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I would have entered myself. Wouldn't have been fair on
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: the other competitors taken.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: It home, But well that's it from us. Coming up
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: now is the Rita panahe shot