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Inside the Eastern Museum of Motor Racing: A Century of Speed, Grit, and Innovation · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Grand Touring Motorsports started as a social group of car enthusiasts,
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but we've expanded into all sorts of motorsports disciplines, and we
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want to share our stories with you.
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Years of racing, wrenching, and motorsports experience brings
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together a top notch collection of knowledge and information
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through our podcast, Brake Fix.
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The Eastern Museum of Motor Racing or EMMR for short, is built on a wooded
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hillside overlooking the historic Latimer Valley fairgrounds and racetrack.
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The 40 acre fairgrounds and track are restored to their original
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beauty, creating an atmosphere that makes the EMMR a living museum.
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Several times a year, the EMMR holds events where these historic
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cars can be seen on the track.
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The Eastern Museum of Motor Racing is proud to be the home of the Chris Enomaki
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Collection, a noted motorsports journalist and editor of National Speed Sports News.
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The library contains the Central States Racing Association paperwork,
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the racing columnist Bob Chirpening's collection, the collection of noted
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historian Joe Heisler, while the Jerry Riegel Research Room contains the
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EMMR's vast photographic collection.
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There's an estimated 20, 000 photographs in the collection, along with a vast
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variety of vehicles on display to include a great collection demonstrating the
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hundred years of Dirt Track racing.
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And with us for a special guided tour is Dirt Track Hall of Famer and
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former curator for the museum, Dr.
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J.
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J.
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Lynn, tell us about your racing past.
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You were in the dirt overworld.
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Your car's here on display.
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Yeah, I, I was born about four miles from Williams Grove, and my
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dad had the last garage and auto cart on the way to the Grove.
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As a boy growing up, I got to see a lot of the early racers from
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the early fifties coming through and stuff, so it interests me.
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So I rode my bike over to Williams Grove to see what was
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going on, and I got hooked.
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What else can I say?
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I don't know.
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My career started in 1961.
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I got to run a mechanics race at Silver Springs.
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Once I drove one time I knew that's what I wanted to do
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instead of just working on it.
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So we built an old car in 62 and then branched out in 63 a little bit and
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then moved up in 64 to the old Supers.
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We just went with the flow up until Sprint cars came in in the late 60s.
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Pretty successful up until then.
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Last race I ran was 1983.
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I won the National Open at the Grove.
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So we had 23 years.
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Wow.
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A good career.
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So what then changed?
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What inspired you to open this museum?
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I was always a history buff.
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Always loved it.
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Even while I was racing, my fond memories were of Tommy Hend ships and the fifties
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when he was very dominant player.
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And then I got to be racing out in Ohio and all, all-star race or something.
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And I happened to run into an old Hillas car, which.
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I happened to recognize they were built in Allentown.
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And I went over and talked to the guy that had it out there.
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He told me it was original to Tommy Henderschütz's.
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Wow, that would have been the car I watched.
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So I came home and called Henderschütz and asked him, Is it possible?
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He basically told me the same thing in reverse.
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And then he told me the one sure thing to look for was the horn steering.
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That he had bought out of the car, horn was killed in.
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And if it was still in the car, it was the car.
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The next week we went out to Mansfield High to run an all star race.
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I went over and looked and sure enough it had no orange steering in
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it, so it was definitely the car.
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So I negotiated to buy the damn thing and restore it.
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I just like the old cars.
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Hillius was quite a mystery.
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I have a pretty good register on a lot of the cars that were built in Allentown.
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He built roughly 200 cars in his career.
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So here we stand amongst all these historic race cars.
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So why don't you take us on a tour of the historic race cars, right, in this
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room right here, you talk about uniforms.
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You've got Ted Horn, national champion, Tommy Hendershits, Mario Andretti.
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You've got some pretty dynamite uniforms hanging in here.
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Johnny Thompson back there.
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These are all Hall of Famers.
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There's Billy Pouch, Dave Blaney, Smokey Snellbaker.
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Here you've got Wolfgang Kinzer.
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You know, you can have quite a race by the people represented in this room.
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I get them to come in.
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I always try to hit them up for a uniform if we have them here.
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So everything here is donated then?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Same way with the cars.
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Our signage is very good in our cars.
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The bottom row will tell you if it's on loan from or donated by.
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So here we are at the entryway, right?
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Kind of an eclectic blend of motorcycles.
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Our entry is in that kind of a jack of all trades out here.
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I try to put something different in here every year.
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We have a sprint car, we have a midget motorcycle's engine.
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The police motorcycle's in there because Mike Worland was our police chief here
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and his son was killed with that bike.
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On a tour about 10 years ago, Mike just bought it from the police deal and he
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asked if we could set it in here and I said, yeah, you know, that's, that's
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more of a little local flavor right here.
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We do things like that.
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Like I said, we try to change things in this window tin entice people.
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'cause this is always open.
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Yeah, you can always come in to here, we try to get you to sign in or what
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have you, and then go from here.
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Now, this area here, the Latimer Valley Fairgrounds, that preceded Williams Grove.
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It was built in 1925 and actually went head to head with Williams Grove in 39.
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But these are all pictures as we restored the old fairgrounds.
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We did that first, before we built the museum.
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So the fairgrounds are restored back to the 20s and 30s.
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They're going to be running cars tomorrow, down there, the ARDC reunion.
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This area here, we honor somebody for the year.
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Stan Lovitz is a big supporter of ours from Hazleton.
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This was his car and his stuff.
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He raised a lot of money for us over the years.
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And in our Grand Marshal this year is Kenny Bren.
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Kenny's 95 years old.
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And this was one of his cars.
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He was in racing since 1953.
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All phases, just a tremendous gentleman.
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So this opening display here changes every year, you said?
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Do you have a plan?
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Yeah, this will change in December.
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Do you have a plan on who's going to be here next year?
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I do not know, I won't know until I have an idea, but I don't know
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until it goes in front of the board.
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But we always change for our, uh, December, our Christmas deal.
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This is always changed for the next year.
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So this is our midget area.
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The first car we come on here is a three quarter midget.
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This was Mario Andretti's very first open wheel ride.
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It's a Hiligas car with a 603 Triumph motorcycle engine.
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Next car up, very early midget, 1937.
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This has a Van Blerk single overhead cam boat motor.
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You gotta remember, the midgets use a smaller engine.
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And you're gonna see about every different type of engine used
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at that cubic inch rate, okay?
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Now this next one's the one I told you has this Alto outboard.
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And this was the 1941 3A Eastern Championship car.
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That's the Gordon Racing team.
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Yes, and the name Gordon Racing, they named it after the street
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that they were on in Allentown.
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Now this is a 1937 Midget with a little V8 60.
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Like Henry put in his Fords from 37 to 40 as a economical piece.
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They weren't worth a hoot.
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But in the Midgets, they were, they weren't good.
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This one's kind of neat.
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It's got BMW, World War II BMW motorcycle cylinders, and they made
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a block and crank back in the 40s.
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So it's made much like a Volkswagen, okay.
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Fritz Meyer and Joe Gertler built the chassis.
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So it's actually two BMW.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They just made a common block.
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Now this has got a Ford tractor engine, little Fergie, which
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had the right cubic inch.
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Of course, the next two are Offey powered in the early thirties.
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They, they needed a small engine.
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So they went to Miller.
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Miller had a straight eight 183 and he whacked.
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That half and just use the front half of it became a 97 and then they got larger.
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But of course they set the standard for years and years.
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That's what the, yeah, the constant hot car.
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Like I said, that was 1950 championship car.
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And then the 11 car, that's the car that Mario Andretti won three races
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in one day in this car right here.
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And you guys call that the three in one midget.
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They call it all their stuff after that three and one, the Mataka brothers,
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because Mario won three races in one day.
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He's not a very big guy, you look at him.
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Mario!
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No, he wasn't.
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So tell us about Tommy's garage here behind us.
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Tommy was seven time Eastern champion.
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When we did our deal here, Mario called him a giant, Chris
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Economy called him a star, A.
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J.
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Foyt called him his idol.
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So when you get those caliber of guys talking about Tommy
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Hendershits, that's pretty good.
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Now, here's a picture of 1955.
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of Henderschütz's garage.
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What we actually did is went down and pulled all this stuff out of his garage.
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Everything works, too.
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The lathe and everything is operable.
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And the car, that's the car I think I told you about.
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This is the car that I restored.
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It has the horn steering and stuff in it.
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So as we see it here is exactly how you would have seen it when Tommy was
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using it at the original location.
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There you go.
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Right there.
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Very cool.
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You're seeing everything right there.
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So this predates when you started racing though, this is still the fifties.
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Oh my, yes.
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Oh yeah.
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I wonder how difficult they were to drive.
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Well, I've driven a few of them.
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They were a handful.
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No protection, skinny ass tires.
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Back then it took a set of gonads to drive a race car.
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How much horsepower do you think these made back then?
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Oh, two hundred.
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That's about what these put out.
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But at the time that was, that was good.
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And probably about a thousand pounds, right?
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So power to weight ratio.
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Uh, this is probably Closer to 13, 1400.
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Still, that's a good, good ratio.
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Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure.
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Yeah.
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Now this is all stuff that we got out of Tommy's garage and
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this is all information on Tommy.
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This is the guy that did a lot of the motorcycles and stuff.
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He built everything by hand.
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He did a lot of things for us.
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Everybody likes to sit in that car.
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There's Jack Hewitt.
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There's Sammy.
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Doug Wolfgang.
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There's Kinzer.
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Jeff Gordon, a young Jeff Gordon.
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You know, we've had a lot of people sitting in that car.
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Rico Abreu.
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And like I said, I had him in, he was sitting in it.
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This is the Chitwood car.
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Actually it was Briggs Cunningham's.
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Very first race car, the sports car guy.
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Money was no object with him, but he kind of fell in love with dirt track racing.
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And then later on, it was Chitwood car, actually his last sprint car, Chitwood ran
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until he kind of retired to run his thrill show, the trophies and all that stuff.
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So all the horn stuff, Ted horn, I actually had the horn car here.
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And we rotate it out, but I left all the trophies and stuff.
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Horn was killed in 48.
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Up on top of that case is a tail off the car he was killed in.
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For all his trophies and stuff.
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We have the largest collection of Ted Horn stuff, the rest.
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And we just got more in.
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His National Championship shirt.
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Area right here is Ken Hickey.
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He was the offie man around here.
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That was a young Ken, and there he was, 87 years old, still working on him.
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He's a famed engine builder, he said.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He rebuilt the Oppie engines.
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He was from Ambler, and I don't need to tell you where Ambler is.
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You know where Ambler is.
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Matter of fact, this is one of the last engines he did.
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That's a Ken Hickey fresh engine right there.
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We have this Edmunds midget.
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I like it because the last race it run, it got put away for 36 years.
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They just never ran it again, and then it's lucky enough to buy the whole deal.
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Yeah.
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And so it's exactly the way it won this last race.
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And this is a Volkswagen flat four powered midget car.
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Well, it has a Volkswagen in it, which is this is.
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And of course, this is the sesco flat four.
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Cesco's usually were half a Chevy, but he wanted to make it lower.
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So this has got all Chevy parts in that Ron Hoddles built this out in Wisconsin.
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And then he had two left.
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So he brought one in and gave one to us.
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So here on the left, it says Hershey stadium.
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Tell us about that.
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I don't think a lot of people realize there was a racetrack at Hershey.
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Well, it was built where the Hershey stadium is would built for
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auto racing and sporting events.
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And these are all pictures, the first event there was an auto race, same week
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that Williams Grove opened, May of 1939.
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So there's a picture of them building it, and there it is finished.
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Of course now it's concerts and football games and stuff.
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But at one time, the last race was held there I think in 1983.
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I got to run there and I won a few features there.
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Yep, a lot of people don't know that.
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Here's the horn tail, and here was the hub that the spindle broke in Horn's car.
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These goggles went with him on his last ride.
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Now, here we are at the very early sprint cars.
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This was called a Bobtail.
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In the twenties, this thing was unbeatable.
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John Gerber from down in Port Iowa.
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There's John with his helmet, his goggles, and his bow tie.
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You notice he always wore a bow tie.
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I wouldn't call that much of a helmet.
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I wouldn't call that much of a race car, but it was light, apparently very quick.
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Yeah, he really went good with it.
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The car in here, that's a dryer.
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It's one of the first six dryers ever made.
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Pop started building cars in 1928.
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That car sat for 84 years in Davenport in the racing shop.
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Here's pictures of it.
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In October, we went out, and that's the first time in 84
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years it came out of the shop.
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Well, I have it all on video.
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Matter of fact, that's his son.
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That's John Gerber's son, Jim.
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And he's 87 years old right now.
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So, is this one of the newest acquisitions in the museum then?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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This display just got put in, in the spring here.
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And then all this stuff right here is stuff we brought home
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from out there, at the shop.
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That's one of the first six built.
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He actually bought this car.
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He was running two of these.
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And he actually was running against this car.
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And then he ended up buying this because he wanted to make an Indy car.
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And this was going to be his Indy car.
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He lost Jimmy Snyder, who was supposed to be his driver.
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He was in the connecting rod business for the Model B Fords.
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And World War II came around and he got to working for the government stuff.
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So this thing just sat and sat and sat.
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So it's kind of interesting that it stayed, but we were very thrilled to
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be able to go out and pick that up.
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It's a joint deal we did with the Sprint Car Hall of Fame in Knoxville.
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We did a display out there.
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And they have the car that won the opener to Grove, and we rotate displays.
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It's better for us to work very well with them than we do.
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These are their early cars, 20s, okay?
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And then this car here would be from, actually, the 40s.
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And it has a Ranger aircraft engine.
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It's an 86, right?
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It's an inline six.
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See the prop went over on here.
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That would top front and you know, you got to flip it over where the propeller is.
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Right, right.
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Thing looks heavy, but only weighed 375 pounds because it's magnesium.
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It put out the same horsepower as the 4, 000 Offenhauser.
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But after World War II, they surplused these, you can buy them for 75 bucks.
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So if you were running IMCA or CSRA, there was no cubic inch limit.
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Shit, they were buying them and just running the crap out of them, you know?
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At that kind of money.
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Now, 3A, you couldn't run them because of the cubic inch limit.
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They were probably pretty high rev, being in a No, they were very low rev.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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They put their horsepower out at about 2800 RPMs.
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Now I asked a couple of the old guys that ran them, I said, how
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hard did you turn your engine?
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And the guy said, oh, I turned mine over 4, 000.
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Was it still, he said they were still strong, but he said, when I
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couldn't see out of my goggles from the vibration, that it was too much.
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That was the answer.
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I love all the creative ways they did carburation on these motors.
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Nothing, nothing standard, it's all very interesting.
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Well, it was all homemade, it was no, They finally started making
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aftermarket stuff for the bees because there was so much of it.
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But you're right, this is a homemade for three twos.
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Actually in that one case, there was a set of hillborne injectors for
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one of these, which is very rare.
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This has got Solex carburetors on it.
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These are actually original to this car.
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The header and stuff, this thing ran a Ranger in it.
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You know, you looked at the Chitwood car back there with
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all the chrome and stuff on it.
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Most of the cars of the 40s and stuff were just plain James.
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Painted like this, Ford wire wheels and stuff.
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Now the exotic cars were pretty like that.
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80 percent of them were like this car here.
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The number four car here from the 40s, kind of the tail end of
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that, we jump to the number 39.
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So have we moved from the 40s to the 50s?
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Well, we're actually going up to the 60s.
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The 50s, I had a car here, it had to leave.
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You'd have to put like the Miracle Power in here.
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Gotcha.
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Okay.
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In other words, 40s, early 50s.
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Yep.
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And then this would be 60s.
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But you do see a radical jump in design from the Oh, absolutely.
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They got lower centers of gravity, Well, we're gonna walk up here.
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Now these cars here would have won a wing or not.
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I didn't put wings on them simply because you get to see a little bit
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better and my car They're the Boots car.
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We let anybody who wants to get in and get in it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong But when you kind of transition from these 40s
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Sprint cars to the 50s and 60s are more like the Indy cars of the time, if you
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kind of look at them in person, right?
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Well, you got to remember something.
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World War II.
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Most of the cars prior to World War II were kind of crude.
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There were some nice cars, but most of them were home built nothings, okay?
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All the racers went to World War II, and they learned how to work
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aluminum and use Zeus buttons.
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And thank God we're still using surplus from World War II today.
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And that's what spawned racing.
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After World War II, all of a sudden, the cars, they started using the
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technology to build aircrafts.
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Zeus buttons, aluminum and stuff.
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And that's when things drastically changed.
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Absolutely.
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Why?
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Technology.
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Learning how to work aluminum.
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Well, yeah, but all I can tell you is there was a lot of
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experimentation around here on fuel.
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If you tell Hendershits, tell them the story about running a Model
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T, and they didn't know anything about hopping the fuel up, and
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they heard that it used mothballs.
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So he said about, they bought a bunch of mothballs.
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The problem was they were only going to put one in.
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One mechanic put one in, didn't tell anybody.
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The other mechanic put one in, and he said, I put one in.
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He said, man, we took the lead, that thing was really hauling ass.
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And he said about halfway through the race it slowed down to a crawl.
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It burnt the thing up.
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That experimentation went on for a long time.
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Talking about that, I could show you the horn pistons over here.
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He was the first one to experiment with magnesium pistons.
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They were so much lighter than aluminum that he could turn
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his engine 2, 000 RPMs more.
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And I have those, but he had to experiment with the fuel because he
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kept melting the tops of the pistons.
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They weren't as strong as the aluminum.
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He entered into a lot of that too.
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Now, as far as World War II, you're right.
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The Germans were far ahead of everybody as far as that technology.
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Let's face it, that's where the Volkswagen came from.
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On a lot of these, you notice that there's a lot of armature in the way of levers and
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things like that to move things around.
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It's all very crude and very simple because they're race cars.
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How many of these are, let's say, manual gearboxes?
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How many speed are they, and when did they transition to the more,
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like, power glide type transmission?
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There was a rule that they had to be able to back up and stuff, so they
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had old Ford transmissions in them.
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But then finally it got to the point where they were just using them in and out.
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In other words, they're just high gear.
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Got it.
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Like, if you come up to these, these all have quick changes,
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nothing but in and out direct drive.
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So you took a couple laps to get up to speed then, to kind of set your pace,
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because you can't just go at full power.
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No, they would, they would, uh, no, they would push you off.
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And if you had heat in the motor Like my mechanic used to tell me, if you don't
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have 140 degrees, I don't care if the green flag's out or what, you don't run
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the motor, you know, just to protect it.
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You know, Davey's still a pretty sharp man, Davey Brown.
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So you definitely see a drastic change in safety in this interior too.
20:08
My first ride actually was in the car after this, the Cook car,
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and I think there's a picture up front here of the start of the
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feature, and it's right there.
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Here's my very first sprint car ride.
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That's the start of the feature at Allentown.
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Wow.
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I'm in the 38 car.
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Clear out there.
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Taking the high line.
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I didn't want to, but that 24 car kind of came in and put me over the wall.
20:31
That was the start.
20:32
I was running super modifieds and stuff around here.
20:35
But that was my first sprint car ride.
20:37
So what would you say after all your years of racing, what
20:39
was your biggest oops moment?
20:41
Oh, I don't know.
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There was plenty of them.
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I can't relate.
20:44
Pick an oops moment out, uh, other than waking up in the hospital one morning
20:50
and, uh, not know how I got there.
20:55
I'll tell you the story.
20:56
It, I didn't realize it, but I apparently got hurt pretty bad
21:01
at Hagerstown till I came to.
21:04
I was in kind of intensive care.
21:06
There was two of us in there and I woke up and I, my hand was banished and I had
21:11
a schmock on it, said Washington County.
21:13
Well, I was smart enough to know that Washington County was the Hagerstown
21:17
area, I wasn't in Pennsylvania.
21:18
The guy that was in the room with me, he started having a problem.
21:22
So I, they had a button pinned there.
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So I pushed the button, it's three o'clock in the morning.
21:27
Nurse comes in and said, are you all right?
21:29
I said, I'm all right, but this guy's having a problem.
21:31
So the next thing I knew.
21:32
There was people in there working on him and he was gone.
21:36
Now, I got more questions than answers.
21:38
I didn't say a word while that was going on.
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And they were taking him out and the last nurse was just getting ready to walk out.
21:44
I said, ma'am, can I talk to you?
21:45
She said, sure.
21:46
I said, what am I doing?
21:47
She said, don't you know?
21:49
I said, no.
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I said, I just basically woke up.
21:53
She says, well, I don't know.
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My shift changed at one o'clock and you were here.
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That was it.
21:57
She left.
21:58
Needless to say, I wasn't going back to sleep.
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I'm trying to figure it all out.
22:02
The next morning, there was a guy coming around selling crap out of a cart.
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Newspapers and stuff.
22:08
So I bought a newspaper, went to the racing deal, and there I found
22:12
out exactly what had happened.
22:13
I read it in the newspaper.
22:15
About a half hour later, the promoter and my wife and the doctor came walking
22:20
in, and the doctor said, do you remember?
22:23
I didn't, but I told him exactly what the newspaper said, and
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that got me out of the hospital.
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Probably shouldn't have because if I'd lean over I'd fall it screwed up
22:31
my Bell helmet at the time it was as good as it was The problem is once
22:37
you get your bell wrong once the next ones you get knocked out a whole lot
22:41
quicker It's just like quarterbacks.
22:44
That's why you had a lot of guys retired early because Blow to
22:48
the head, be a headache to you.
22:50
But a guy that's had a lot of blows to the head, it can mean paralysis.
22:54
It can mean every, I don't know how we get off on that tangent, but well, let's
22:58
go back to your timeline a little bit.
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So you started in the early sixties and you ran all the way up through 1983.
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Well, I won the national open.
23:06
That's the last race I ran.
23:07
I actually won the national open in this car in 1982.
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It's restored.
23:13
This car here, sitting here, we left the wing off and I have the nerf bar off.
23:17
Anybody who wants to sit in that car is welcome to get in it.
23:19
So how many championships under your belt?
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I don't know exactly.
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9, 10, 11, when I range somewhere.
23:25
So as we get to the early 80s car, this is more like what people are accustomed
23:29
to seeing, like the World of Outlaws.
23:30
Well, well, yes.
23:32
This, of course, was Steve Kinzer was the multi time World of Outlaws champion.
23:38
And I like this car.
23:39
Cause it's not restored.
23:40
It's all original and it's just the way he wants Syracuse in 88.
23:45
So this is covered pretty neat.
23:47
Then we have a Greg Hodnett's car.
23:49
Uh, Greg, of course got killed a few years ago and we did a
23:52
special display of his cars.
23:54
We have four of them here.
23:56
Coming up through the era of non aero cars to basically aero cars.
23:59
How did the racing improve?
24:00
Did you like it better?
24:02
The more aero they got added, or did you like it in the good?
24:05
I think the racing was better without the wings.
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So.
24:08
Just by adding a wing and you can gain two seconds a lap just by putting the foil on.
24:14
It just made it racing so much faster and it made it safer.
24:18
The wings would not let the car do anything radical after the wings gone.
24:22
Yes, I've been upside down both ways and that big old thing right
24:26
there is just like a cushion.
24:28
I said, one time I hit, I could hear the air going out of the wing.
24:31
Of course, the guy said, you still got a brain injury, you know, but it's true.
24:35
You could, you could hear that.
24:37
Well, we all got brain injuries, right?
24:38
We're race car drivers.
24:39
I think you're right.
24:39
We started with that from the beginning.
24:41
I think you're right.
24:42
So, as you kind of progress here, this takes us into another part of the museum.
24:46
Yeah, this is Sprint Car 101, from the very early, boom, boom, boom.
24:51
You can get a very good idea of the changes.
24:54
Now I'm not saying I have every change exactly, but I try to keep it.
24:59
It's a good summary of a hundred years of Sprint Cars.
25:01
Yes, yes.
25:02
This is car Freddie Raymer, won a lot of races in.
25:05
Of course, young Freddie's winning now, the boy.
25:08
But this was the old man.
25:10
This was actually the first car Hamill donated to us.
25:13
We have another one over in our storage unit.
25:15
And this was Greg Hodnett's car and Raymer.
25:19
Actually, one in this car, too.
25:20
Kenny Jacobs drove this.
25:22
And this is the Hodnett car, the Apple Chevrolet car.
25:26
So did you ever run any late models or anything like that?
25:29
Yeah.
25:29
Yeah?
25:30
What do you think of those compared to the Sprinters?
25:32
I can't speak on today's late models.
25:34
They're such unbelievable.
25:36
The stuff that we ran were just 55, 57 Chevys, you know,
25:40
basically with a good motor in.
25:42
It's hard to say.
25:43
I used to do double duty.
25:44
Run both divisions.
25:46
And it was at that point, it wasn't hard, probably harder to do now.
25:50
Probably felt safer in a late model though.
25:52
Right?
25:52
Overall, you're in a bigger, if you worry about safety,
25:56
then you better not get in one.
25:58
I mean, you don't want to climb in something that you think you're going
26:00
to get hurt in, but if you think you're going to get hurt, even goes
26:03
through your mind, you better not get in one hurt is something that's always
26:07
going to happen to somebody else.
26:08
That is the mentality that you have to have.
26:11
It's part of the game sometimes.
26:13
I do notice that as you get further down in the transition of
26:16
the sprint cars, a lot of things become more and more inboard.
26:19
More center of gravity type of manipulation here.
26:22
The brakes are inboard compared to being on the outside of
26:25
the car, things like that.
26:26
See the tether on the steering arm right there?
26:29
And that's all because a goldbrick radio strike came in and that's what killed him.
26:34
It wasn't a bad accident, it's just he got pierced.
26:37
So, they started doing things like that, so the pieces didn't fly.
26:41
The old cars, 200 horsepower or so, and then obviously horsepower increases.
26:45
Yeah.
26:45
When we're standing here with these.
26:47
Come on over here.
26:47
How much are these making?
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700, let's say?
26:49
Oh, more than that.
26:50
This is our engine wall.
26:52
That's Henry Ford and the mass production of the Model T.
26:56
Built 15 million of them between 1908 1927.
27:00
Now here's 100 years.
27:02
Here's a small block Chevy, 8 900 horse power.
27:05
This is what your basic engine today is.
27:07
So you're looking at 100 years.
27:09
20 horse power, 8 900 horse power.
27:12
So here, Model T, there's the Model T rocker arm, Model T dual overhead cam.
27:18
This is interesting.
27:19
Frontenac was the one that built that for the forge, you know, Model T.
27:23
That's a mechanical turbo?
27:25
No, this is a magneto.
27:26
Ah.
27:26
And a water pump.
27:27
Oh, okay.
27:28
Now you're looking at crude here, don't get, don't, you know, you, you know,
27:31
what you see is what you get here.
27:33
But what a lot of people don't know who Frontenac was.
27:36
Frontenac was the Chevrolet brothers.
27:39
They had already lost their name to Durant and General Motors.
27:43
The best Ford speed equipment built for a Ford in the late 20s was
27:46
built for the Chevrolet brothers.
27:47
A lot of people don't know that, but that's a fact.
27:50
You were looking at the solar car.
27:52
Well, this is the chassis, and of course there's the body.
27:55
It doesn't look right sitting here amongst these old engines, but it's
27:58
the only place I had to put it.
28:00
I stuck it in here.
28:01
The colleges, once a year, would race a solar car.
28:04
This one raced from St.
28:05
Louis to LA, I think in 99.
28:08
Tells you that on the back of it.
28:09
But they built it and raced it.
28:12
How fast would it go?
28:12
60, 70 mile an hour.
28:14
That's quick for a solar powered car.
28:16
If the sun was out bright.
28:18
Now I know one thing, those are all solar panels.
28:20
And we let that thing sit outside.
28:22
You go to pick it up, you got to watch.
28:24
It gets hot.
28:25
It'll bite you.
28:25
Yeah.
28:27
But then you look at the bobtail, the Gerber, that's that 490 Chevy that he
28:32
patterned a single overhead cam for.
28:34
His stuff was crude, but He put that stuff together and went out and ran with
28:38
the Offenhausers, the big money stuff, you know, that was the Dave and Goliath.
28:42
And his stuff was that way.
28:45
He just always did it that way.
28:46
Then you have the Model A, and you do the same thing up to the dual overhead cam.
28:51
Then the Flatheads, and the Hudsons, and the Buicks, and the Oldsmobiles.
28:55
Flathead, the Arden Flathead, Ford, Marine Engine.
28:59
This is the very first Chevy V8 55.
29:03
That's what came in the Corvette, right?
29:04
No, they were in the Chevrolet.
29:05
They did put them in the Corvettes, but not until later on.
29:08
Actually, in 55, the first ones were all sixes.
29:10
They actually built a V8 in the late teens.
29:13
It wasn't as successful as this one was, you know.
29:16
And there's 65 years of small block Chevy from here to that.
29:20
Very cool.
29:21
This 1, the all aluminum big block, that's what we ran in my car.
29:25
And then Yanko bought that from General Motors.
29:29
Same motor, same part number.
29:31
The only thing, Yanko put his name on the front of it.
29:33
And then I ran his motors until, uh, he got killed in a, uh, plane crash.
29:38
So that ended our association.
29:40
That was 1983.
29:42
So the room we're standing in here is, now we transition to drag cars.
29:44
Drag cars, yeah.
29:46
Like this Chevelle right here, this is all fiberglass.
29:49
Yeah.
29:49
But you look at it, there's no engine in the front, got a mid engine HEMI.
29:53
It's really a beautiful car.
29:56
You know, it's home built.
29:57
Then we have Stiles performance, the Hemi drag car, and there's
30:02
another Mopar over there.
30:04
Then we have, of course, Bruce Larson's match race car here.
30:08
They put a century car down in the Smithsonian.
30:11
This case here is all on Bruce.
30:13
Then we have the Linwood dragster.
30:16
This is a Linwood chassis too, an altered, the little altered Bantam.
30:21
It's a Jersey Jimmy.
30:23
It originally had a six cylinder Jimmy engine.
30:26
Then they put the straight A Buick, and then the last they
30:28
ran it with that Aston Martin.
30:30
Now you talk about light, 900 pounds, that thing is light.
30:34
I love the Aston Martin badge on the front on the grill, that's great.
30:37
Now do you want to walk upstairs?
30:38
Sure.
30:39
Okay, let's go, we'll go up the elevator.
30:44
Here's the original building that we were just in.
30:48
Okay, and there's the road down and the racetrack is down below.
30:52
Like I said, we're going to be running the cars tomorrow.
30:55
Are you guys televising the races at all?
30:57
No.
30:57
Or is anybody recording them or anything?
30:59
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
31:02
This is basically our stock car area.
31:05
We all started with the old coupes like that, with the
31:09
flathead and then the overhead.
31:10
And then they started cutting the cars up.
31:12
They called them bugs.
31:14
And then the bodies were getting hard to come by, so they
31:16
called them super modifieds.
31:18
And that's what these two are.
31:19
They didn't need a body.
31:20
You just wrapped aluminum around.
31:22
They had a 90 inch wheelbase, 30 inch roll cage.
31:25
And that was it.
31:26
And then from this, then you went sprint car race and our stock car race.
31:29
That's kind of how things went.
31:31
Of course, here were two Redding stock cars, the Gerhardt number five
31:35
and the Johnny Botts number two.
31:37
Now, after Bazzi was killed, I did run this car, and I ran the second
31:41
car for Gerhardt several times.
31:43
When our sprint car season would close, we'd get out and run Redding, run Heavies.
31:48
If I'm not incorrect, the back end of that is a Pinto, and this
31:51
one looks like part of a Pacer?
31:53
Yes.
31:54
Yeah.
31:54
Gremlin.
31:55
Pintos, Vegas, they were the three.
31:57
They just used body panels and Nobody wanted them for anything else, right?
32:01
Well, now try to find them in a junkyard.
32:04
We built this in 2000 and the reason that it's two story is
32:08
we got into bedrock back here.
32:10
We didn't go far, so we decided to raise and then build off the next level.
32:14
So that's why you see what you see.
32:16
It just keeps going.
32:17
Yeah, this just came in.
32:19
This was Charlie Wehrman's late model.
32:22
When I started running late models, I ran against Charlie and he won multi
32:26
time championships down in Beltsville.
32:28
He ran dirt and pavement both with this car.
32:30
And Beltsville and Manassas, Virginia.
32:32
He was track champion there.
32:34
Now there he was with his 56.
32:36
That's when I ran against him, that's what I ran against.
32:39
This is one of our Grand National cars.
32:41
We have some more over in the other shed.
32:43
This is a car that, yes, Elliot, there he was flipping it at Talladega.
32:47
That is this car.
32:49
Looks like you have some bikes, too.
32:50
Yeah, Bowling Green Speedway was around below York and this is the only car
32:56
that ran Bowling Green still exists.
32:58
Let me show you what it looked like.
33:00
Yeah, it's a pile of dirt.
33:01
He went in, yeah, he went in the side of a building and it
33:04
was laying in a dirt floor.
33:06
Also, if you see the, Other Gary car over there.
33:10
If you go look at that, both of these cars should never have been fixed.
33:14
The time and effort they went to put them back together is unbelievable.
33:19
It's dedication.
33:20
This is Ray Tilley's.
33:21
Now that would be a good candidate down there right near the 39.
33:26
Was down there, but we did a special tribute to the owner of
33:29
the car here and we brought that one in Andretti car upstairs.
33:34
But this was Ray Tilley.
33:36
He was about unbeatable with Bud Grimm Ford.
33:39
This we built in 2011.
33:41
That was the car Mario won his very first sprint car race in,
33:44
out at Salem, Indiana in 1964.
33:47
Has Mario ever come down to the museum?
33:50
He is scheduled to be here.
33:51
He sent us money for a block and stuff, and we have a wall, but we honored him
33:56
last year, but he has not made it yet.
33:58
His neighbors all have, but he has not.
34:01
Now this right here is our Bonneville stuff.
34:04
That bike set records at Bonneville.
34:06
Bonneville.
34:07
That's a tire blown at 400 mile an hour and it held air, thank God.
34:11
Didn't kill the guy.
34:13
Have you even got a snowmobile over there?
34:14
Yeah, well, AMF, where they build Harleys, AMF owned it.
34:18
A bunch of us in the wintertime, we signed on and raced snowmobiles in
34:22
the wintertime all over the country.
34:24
Bruce Larson, me.
34:26
Bob Scholle, Mitch Smith, and Smokey Snellbaker.
34:29
We all raced motorcycles, er, snowmobiles too.
34:33
Gettysburg Region, this is their home base too, so we let
34:37
them have their car in there.
34:38
Looks like you guys have a library as well.
34:40
Yes, yes.
34:41
Steve Bubb's our librarian.
34:43
Steve just went in there, he's always working in there.
34:46
That's Steve in there.
34:47
He's our resident expert.
34:49
When we can't find anything, we talk to Steve.
34:51
Do you guys take donations for the library?
34:53
Oh, sure.
34:54
It's stuff coming in all the time.
34:55
You'll see when we go over in the new place over here, there's stuff that they
34:59
just haven't been able to look through.
35:01
Well, let's keep going.
35:02
That's on the Altoona board speedways.
35:05
The board speedways were the super speedways back in the teens and the 20s.
35:09
They were running 140 mile an hour on the boards, and they
35:11
weren't running 100 in India.
35:13
So that's similar to like the cyclodromes, where they did the Cyclodromes were
35:17
built just for bicycle racing, okay.
35:19
These were actually built for cars.
35:21
autos and stuff.
35:22
They were anywhere from a half mile to two miles.
35:24
Wow.
35:24
All made out of wood.
35:25
All made out of wood.
35:27
Yeah.
35:27
This is our IndyCar area.
35:29
That was the start of the first race at Indy.
35:32
You see it was mostly stripped down stock cars.
35:35
The winner was Ray Heroon in that 32 back there.
35:38
It wasn't until the 20s when Miller and Duesenberg started building.
35:42
This is a Miller from the 20s.
35:45
When they started going away from just the stock chassis to
35:48
building special built cars.
35:50
These are the original doors from Indy.
35:52
They were taken down in 1985.
35:54
And that's the last dirt car to run at Indy, right there.
35:57
1956.
35:59
And this car was a Curtis.
36:01
And I'm sorry to say it killed three drivers in four years.
36:04
Killed Dick Linder, Van Johnson, and Hugh Randall.
36:06
Here's, uh, That's Stick Linder, that was Gus's brother that I raced with.
36:12
He went over the wall at Trenton.
36:14
The car wasn't hurt bad, but it killed him.
36:16
And there he was going over the wall.
36:17
Then they put Van in it.
36:19
That was a Langhorn, he won that day.
36:21
There he was at the Grove.
36:23
The throttle stuck in bars of the car and he got killed.
36:26
At the Williams Grove.
36:27
Killed a driver, won a race, killed a driver.
36:30
And then two years later, that's Hugh Randall.
36:33
He got killed at Langhorn in it.
36:35
Now, this is kind of interesting.
36:36
Al Keller drove the car at Indy.
36:39
Now, he got killed in 1960, not in this car.
36:42
He had a young daughter.
36:43
She grew up, moved out to Phoenix and married a Bush.
36:46
His grandsons, Kyle and Kurt Bush.
36:49
Now, this is kind of a racing shop.
36:51
There's all kind of stuff in there that tells a lot of stories.
36:54
And also, we use the shop.
36:57
That was Mario's pit board when he ran Langhorn for the first time right there.
37:01
Tommy gave us that.
37:03
That's Thompson right there in a Dr.
37:04
Saborian car.
37:06
I love how original a lot of these pieces are.
37:08
You go to some museums and everything's fully restored
37:10
and just beautiful and shiny.
37:11
Now, if I had my choice, if we get it in and I don't care if it's shop worn,
37:16
I'd rather see the original piece.
37:17
It's just like that one motorcycle, that hill climber back there.
37:21
1936 National Champion, just, it's so crude, it's so neat.
37:25
I think it's really neat.
37:26
Now this is one of Mario's cars, C3 in 1.
37:29
The Metaka owned it, and they carried that on.
37:32
But here's Mario when it was a Dean Van Lines car.
37:35
Now this car, it was bought out of the Metaka estate.
37:38
That's what it looked like.
37:40
Now A.
37:40
J.
37:41
Watson built that car.
37:42
That's Champ's dirt car.
37:44
Here's the baby Bose.
37:46
This ran Indy.
37:47
It also won the Indy race at DeGrove in 1950 with Troy Ruttman in it.
37:52
In 49, Tommy drove.
37:54
I think Tommy got a fifth with it at DeGrove.
37:57
There's Rutman, he ran it also.
38:00
There's uh, Cosworth, actually Al Unser Jr.
38:03
That was a block he won Indy with.
38:05
We got a little of everything.
38:07
Here we'll walk out here.
38:09
That's Maguire, Andretti, and Foyt's around the other side.
38:16
More displays in this building.
38:18
It just keeps going.
38:20
You're going to see.
38:21
There's stuff coming in that hasn't been sorted yet.
38:24
So this is the prep area, yeah.
38:26
Yeah, and we have cars and we have stuff back over there.
38:29
And then we have another.
38:31
50 100 building over in the next property, and there's about 16 cars
38:35
over there, but I can't take you over there because we don't have
38:38
an occupancy permit for that yet.
38:40
You're still acquiring cars from all over the country, right?
38:43
Or are most of these just east of the Mississippi?
38:45
Our interest is east.
38:47
We don't want a car that has no history in this area.
38:50
So we would probably turn something like that down.
38:53
But, I don't care where it's from, if it did well here in the East, that's,
38:56
that's our realm of responsibility.
38:59
Most of the stuff is East.
39:00
So have any of the cars from here, as you said, they go on loan to
39:03
other locations and back and forth?
39:05
Yeah, well, Sprint Car Hall of Fame in Knoxville, Iowa, Speedy Bill's Place.
39:09
Do you guys do anything with the, uh, IMRRC up in Watkins Glen?
39:13
International Motor Research?
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Yes, that's more of an informational thing with them.
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They're always interested in what we have.
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We share documents with them.
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No, this is very cool.
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So this is pretty much where the tour stops, right?
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Pretty much.
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As a caretaker, as a docent for the museum, for those people that are
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interested in coming out, what are kind of the rules, the fees, the times
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you can be here, things like that?
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Well, we're free.
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There is no charge.
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We accept donation.
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We're open Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays, 10 to four.
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Do you have a lot of high schools that bring kids in to check this out?
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Not a lot.
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I've had more, but Bermuda Springs, my.
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Daughter's.
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The teacher there, she usually wants a year, brings a class over and
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there's times that we'll take a car over there too and do just make to
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go to Gettysburg and to come here.
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If you've got a book team, new Oxford, same thing.
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You know, we're open to any organization that wants to come.
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I'll tell you what we do get.
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We get a lot of special need people.
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They'll bring a bus here.
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They enjoy walking around and they use this place quite a bit.
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Because they can go have a little lunch down here in the
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picnic tables and what have you.
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We're interested in kids.
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That's why we have Pine Box Derby.
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We've got cars for them to sit in.
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You know, a lot of museums shun the kids.
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We don't.
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We give them race cars and stuff.
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They'll show up with their grandparents, with their neighbors, as they enjoyed.
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The kids are the key to the whole thing.
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You can't run them off.
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Yeah, every once in a while you get one that's a little rowdy
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that you gotta pay attention to.
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You know, you try to explain it to whoever's with them.
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Say, look, there's certain things.
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It's just like, we have cars on loan.
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What I have to do is, I have to protect that stuff.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Everybody here is a volunteer.
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There's nobody paid here.
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Most of the time you have volunteers like that.
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Their interests are such that they care, you know, and that's the main thing.
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And I saw the donation box up front.
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Obviously you guys take donations as part of the exhibits for the museum.
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But are there other fundraising ways that people can contribute to the museum?
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We have blocks that we sell on the wall where people want
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to memorialize certain people.
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As a matter of fact, I said Mario and his wife, before she passed
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away, bought a block on our walls.
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So, oh, there's lots of ways.
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We do raffles and have sales too.
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Mike, the guy that was running around blowing up the tires, Mike
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has charge of our raffles and stuff.
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And actually, Mike, as of right now, I'm not the curator anymore.
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Mike is.
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I resigned.
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Less past month, but I agreed to do this interview.
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So I said I would do it and explain that we appreciate that.
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So in closing any like shout outs, promotions or anything else you'd like
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to share that people should know about?
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Well, it's just Our website lets you know we have a schedule for the year
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that we go to different racetracks and do different things here and
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uh, we'll be operating right up.
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I know in December our open house is I think the first Sunday in, in December.
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And our subject matter is going to be, uh, Bobby Gerhart and Billy Gerhart.
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I race with Bobbies.
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Of course, Bobby won Daytona seven or eight, maybe nine times.
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And Billy was his mechanic and brother and they got some great stories to tell.
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I'm going to try to get Davey Brown to come over too.
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He was a mechanic back then.
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So yeah, we've got something going on all the time through the
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winter, January through when we opened the beginning of April.
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Thursday night we work, we have a work party.
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So anybody that wants to come out and have a good time, six to
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nine is our normal work party.
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It's not all work, it's a lot of fun too.
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To learn more about the Eastern Museum of Motor Racing, be sure to look them
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up on Facebook at Eastern Museum of Motor Racing or visit their website www.
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emmr.
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org.
43:04
The museum also needs your help and they are always looking for volunteers,
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so stop by when you have the chance.
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The museum is open to the public April through November on
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Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.
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From 10 to 4 p.
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m.
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Well, Len, I can't thank you enough for doing this for us, taking us on
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this tour, telling us this story.
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And the importance of this is that museums are more than just a bunch of
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stuff sitting around and people come and look at cars, or especially race cars are
43:28
more than just objects going around in a circle to your point in which you've been
43:32
telling us this entire time is each one of these pieces from the smallest one to
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the biggest car yet has a story behind it.
43:38
And that's super important to share.
43:39
We don't put things up to fill a hole.
43:41
It has to tell a story.
43:43
Because I get people that want to donate us something because
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it's a beautiful race car.
43:47
And my first question, what's the history?
43:50
Well, I don't know, but it's a pretty race car.
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I said, I have no interest.
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But it's pretty.
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I said, pretty has very little to do with it.
43:56
Some of the neatest stuff we have is ugly as a sin.
43:58
Some people think it has to be pretty to be in a museum.
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We're not that way.
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