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Best Of · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew. You know, a lot of addiction habits kind
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  S1: of breaking them. What really happens. In fact, I was
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  S1: kicking this around with my son because he is in
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  S1: a tech community in Miami, and he knows a lot
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  S1: of tech CEOs and leaders. And he says, dad, addiction
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  S1: is just rampant. He says, you got Adderall, which is
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  S1: really street legal speed. I mean, it's prescribed from doctors.
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  S1: In fact, it's become a massive crisis in our culture.
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  S1: I don't know what you guys are tracking this, but
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  S1: the amount of prescriptions I think has gone ten X
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  S1: in the last several years, like post Covid or something
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  S1: that I do not have facts on that, but it's
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  S1: some it's astronomical how many people are getting on Adderall and.
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  S1: The crazy thing is they a lot in the tech
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  S1: community because tech. Guess what I mean? It's go, go, go.
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  S1: You get seed rounds, you get a rounds, you get
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  S1: all these investors, you get angel investors, millions of dollars
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  S1: get poured in. And these guys feel and rightly a
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  S1: pressure I got to make this company cook here.
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  S3: Sure. Not a lot of sleep. Not a lot of
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  S3: time to yourself in that environment.
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  S1: Yeah. And, uh, then it's weed at night. Dope. Um,
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  S1: to kind of take you down a little bit and
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  S1: what a crazy cycle. So when you're in your 20s
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  S1: and 30s, you know, if you're getting up and getting
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  S1: going and you pop some Adderall to. And by the way, Adderall,
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  S1: I was a cocaine addict. And yes, it is such
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  S1: a deceptive lie. You think you're just Rocket Town when
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  S1: you're on cocaine and because it is a rush and
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  S1: a half. The whiplash from this stuff, though, and we're
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  S1: hearing word now that this is the same with Adderall.
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  S1: There's a price to be paid down the road with
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  S1: this stuff. Don't you know? It's always that way, guys.
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  S2: Always, always sin always exacts a cost.
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  S1: Yes. Ali. Yes it always. What a great word exacts
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  S1: a cost. It cuts it right out of us and say,
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  S1: this is what you're going to pay. So we were
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  S1: talking about guys that are getting off this stuff. And
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  S1: I said, are they getting free from it or are
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  S1: they finding substitute things? He goes, funny you're saying that, dad.
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  S1: And we just started talking about all the things that
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  S1: guys without the power of Christ do to get off something,
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  S1: because something else then has to fill that void. Because
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  S1: at the end of the day, Pascal's right. We got
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  S1: a God shaped void. And if it's not a joint,
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  S1: and if it's not Adderall, it's going to be a
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  S1: penthouse at the top of one of these places in Miami.
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  S1: And that's what a lot of these guys do. They're
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  S1: looking to find something to fill that up. And he says, dad,
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  S1: it's amazing how many guys I, I meet and run
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  S1: with who do play spiritual whack a mole. They might
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  S1: get victory over this, but then that is just kicking
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  S1: their booty. And the the cool thing about God is
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  S1: that when he says we're no longer debtors to the flesh,
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  S1: all that sin that had a hold of us. But
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  S1: we can find real freedom if we live by the spirit.
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  S1: You put to death the deeds of the body. And
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  S1: you're going to live. What a promise, right, Ellie?
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  S2: Yeah. You know, I was looking at this in the
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  S2: NLT just to kind of get see it. And it says, therefore,
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  S2: dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do
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  S2: what your sinful nature urges you to do. So it
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  S2: substitutes the word debtors for obligation. But we can often
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  S2: feel obligated to our sin, to the things that are
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  S2: to our flesh, to our cravings. And it feels like
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  S2: it's inescapable.
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  S1: That's it. The obligation comes out of the fact that
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  S1: in our strength we can't break free. And so we
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  S1: just keep stroking checks of obligation. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, well,
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  S1: sometimes you need stories of victory, right, Allie?
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  S2: You do. I'm ready for a story. You ready?
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  S1: We got a full story coming up. Buckle up and
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  S1: get that.
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  S3: Swig of water.
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  S5: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S1: I couldn't believe what I saw. I couldn't believe it.
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  S1: His name is Walter Mulally. I was a kid. Went
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  S1: down to the rescue mission in Anchorage, Alaska, with my dad.
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  S1: My dad would take me down there. Guys. Oh my word.
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  S1: My dad was something else. He's like, yeah, Carl, come
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  S1: on down with me. We're going to go down and
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  S1: minister to these guys. And my dad had a four
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  S1: string guitar and it was a four string guitar, actually,
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  S1: not a ukulele or anything like that. And he would
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  S1: strum that thing, and he asked me to come up
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  S1: front with him and help him sing. And then he
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  S1: was going to preach the word. Ah, I'm going to
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  S1: get choked. I'm having one of those mornings here, thinking
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  S1: back about dad. Um, there was one guy there that
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  S1: was just a piece of work. Dudes yelling in the
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  S1: middle of my dad's messages. It's Walter. Walter Mulally. He's cousin.
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  S1: He was from one of the villages in Alaska where
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  S1: sexual abuse. Ready for. This impacts 85% of the villages.
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  S6: Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. Five.
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  S1: Alcoholism. Crushing villages. Guys. By the time I was in
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  S1: my early 20s, Walter was born again, saved, set free,
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  S1: and became one of the leaders of the Native New
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  S1: Life Ministry across the state of Alaska.
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  S2: Wow.
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  S1: And I would have thought that guy can never change.
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  S1: But no one's too far gone for God, are they, Phil?
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  S7: No one is too far gone. That is absolutely right. Yes.
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  S2: Phil Kwiatkowska, our guest right now, he is the president
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  S2: of the Pacific Garden Mission, located here in Chicago. But
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  S2: it's the country's oldest continuously running gospel rescue mission. They
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  S2: work to save and restore the lives of homeless and
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  S2: hurting men, women and children. So let's talk about what
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  S2: circumstances drive people to Pacific Garden Mission. There are I'm
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  S2: sure there are many nuances to it, but what's the
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  S2: common thread that drives someone to your front door?
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  S7: Carl, when you mentioned that man at the rescue mission,
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  S7: many times we look at we look at addictions and
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  S7: addiction is a driving force. But the reality is the
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  S7: pain behind the addiction. Yeah. I was asking people last
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  S7: week what led you to addiction? So many of them
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  S7: molestation abuse issues with their parents, bitterness at the way
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  S7: life has turned out. They don't know how to process
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  S7: the pain, and the only way that they can process
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  S7: the pain is by dulling it. And the only thing
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  S7: that dulls it is some type of narcotic. So it's
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  S7: really getting to the root issue of what the problems are.
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  S7: A lot of times we just deal with the addiction
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  S7: real quick. There's a guy, Michael, just two weeks ago,
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  S7: a young 20 year old kid that They came to
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  S7: me and said he was a devil worshiper. He loves Satan.
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  S7: He wanted. He hated the preaching of the gospel. So
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  S7: I went to go see him. He told me, he said,
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  S7: I don't want to hear about Jesus. I don't want
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  S7: to hear about the blood of Christ. And he was
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  S7: and he's 20 years old. I don't want to hear it.
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  S7: And he complained at a sermon one day because the
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  S7: guy talked about the blood. So one day I'm going
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  S7: through lunch where the homeless guys are eating, and he says,
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  S7: can I talk to you, Phil? I said, sure, what's up?
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  S7: He said, I accepted Jesus Christ. I said, you accepted Jesus.
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  S7: And then when the counselor told me, he said, you
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  S7: got to hear his backstory. He was molested by his
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  S7: uncle as a child. His parents were involved in narcotics
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  S7: and drugs, and he was involved in drugs since he
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  S7: was a child. It was a mask. The thing with
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  S7: is he loves Satan. The problem was something was going
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  S7: on deeper in his heart of bitterness and anger from
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  S7: his childhood. But when he encountered the gospel, that is
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  S7: the only thing that can bring healing, lasting peace. And
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  S7: Michael sits there today. We're talking with him and working
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  S7: with them, but those are the stories that that really
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  S7: just keep us going.
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  S1: Yeah, Phil, I've got this theological thought and I've tried
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  S1: this on. I've never seen it fail. I don't care
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  S1: if you're an up and out or down and out
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  S1: or whatever. And you're right. The pain of this world
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  S1: brings addictions galore like raging fires. But it seems to me,
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  S1: Phil and I saw this in Walter Mulally, this incredible
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  S1: saint who, by the way, led a movement across the
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  S1: state of Alaska Native New Life Ministries. But there has
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  S1: to come a time for everyone. No one can avoid
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  S1: this posture of humility before God. Isn't that a common
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  S1: thread you see at Pacific Garden Mission?
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  S7: Oh, yes. You know, I think of the story of
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  S7: the prodigal. He didn't go back to the father until
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  S7: it says he came to himself. There has to be
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  S7: a moment. And what happens many times is family members
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  S7: serve service as safety nets where they don't allow people
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  S7: to hit rock bottom. They want to keep. I see
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  S7: that all the time. A wife will bring a husband
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  S7: to the mission. They want us to fix him. Two
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  S7: weeks later. Is he okay? Stop calling him. Stop bringing
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  S7: him home. He needs to hit rock bottom for a while.
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  S7: And I think it's that posture of humility when I'm
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  S7: eating with the pigs. The father didn't chase the sun.
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  S7: The son had to eat with the pigs. And then
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  S7: it said he came to himself. I often say when
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  S7: people bring people to the mission, it usually doesn't work.
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  S7: They have to come themselves. And when they come themselves,
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  S7: I come to myself, I need help. And it is
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  S7: that posture of humility.
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  S2: Phil Koski, president of Pacific Garden Mission, with us right now.
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  S2: Coming up, let's talk about Karl mentioned the common threads
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  S2: of victory over addiction, posture of heart, humility. Step one
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  S2: what else? More coming up.
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  S5: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Karl
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  S5: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.
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  S2: You know, when someone hits rock bottom, often it's a
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  S2: result of addiction in addition to other factors. But addiction
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  S2: is often a large driver. Phil Kwiatkoski, president of Pacific
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  S2: Garden Mission. What percentage, if you had to estimate of
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  S2: people who come to the mission have some sort of
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  S2: addiction issue related to their being there?
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  S7: I would probably say 80 to 85%. A vast majority.
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  S2: So let's talk about some of those common threads that
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  S2: make the difference between someone staying stuck and someone actually
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  S2: getting victory. We mentioned the first one hitting rock bottom,
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  S2: the humility to say, I need help. I don't have
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  S2: this under control. What else is there that you see
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  S2: that differentiates victory from staying stuck?
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  S7: One of the things is letting the process play out.
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  S7: Most of them, and one of the biggest problems in
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  S7: our drug program, is that people feel like as soon
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  S7: as I stop using drugs, I'm okay. But they have
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  S7: never dealt with some of those issues. And I say,
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  S7: you need to deal now with some of those deeper issues.
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  S7: What brought you here? What brought you to addiction? Maybe
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  S7: you have been molested and abused, and a lot of times,
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  S7: and we have a lot of folks that come back
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  S7: for the second or third time to our programs because
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  S7: they go outside and they realize, I can do a program,
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  S7: but I can't do life. And they they get out there.
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  S7: They have never dealt with those core issues that they
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  S7: struggle with. That is a huge, huge key to success.
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  S1: God's remaking people. And the interesting thing to me, and
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  S1: this is why we want to bring you on, I
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  S1: don't think that the core issues that give freedom, humility,
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  S1: learning how to do life, you know, we Jesus called
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  S1: that he called it discipleship. Phil.
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  S7: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  S1: It's in there universal, aren't they? Um, let's go back
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  S1: to these guys and gals and all of us have
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  S1: been in this boat. We're talking to tens of thousands
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  S1: of people today who probably have a thing in their
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  S1: life that keeps cropping its head. You've worked with tens
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  S1: of thousands of people at Pacific Garden Mission. What else
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  S1: really breaks this cycle?
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  S7: What really breaks it is the core issue. It is discipleship,
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  S7: but it's dealing with the problem. We had a guy
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  S7: a couple of years ago who came to us and
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  S7: struggling with his issues, addictions, and he told our counselor
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  S7: that his mom put him in boiling water up to
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  S7: his waist as a kid. And he showed and he
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  S7: and he pulled down his pants and he showed and
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  S7: his body was scarred from his waist to his toes. Oh, my.
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  S7: What do you tell a guy like that? Stop your addiction.
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  S7: There's deeper issues that that guy, he has to walk
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  S7: around his entire life with scars on his body from
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  S7: his parent. And now, in order for him to get victory,
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  S7: he has to come to some resolution. I got to
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  S7: forgive my parents. I got to forgive those that have
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  S7: hurt me And those are really the core issues is forgiveness,
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  S7: and it's dealing with the past.
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  S2: Phil Kwiatkoski, you know, if been to Pacific Garden Mission
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  S2: a couple times and you there is a lot of
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  S2: hope there. I mean, there's hardship for sure. Many of
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  S2: the people have very, very traumatic stories, but there's so
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  S2: much hope there. And I remember one of the one
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  S2: of the people that works there at your facility, I
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  S2: don't remember her name, but she was saying one of
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  S2: the main things that drives people here, she said, is hopelessness. Mhm.
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  S2: It's yes, it's the addictions and the issues, but it's hopelessness.
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  S2: And I thought that was really interesting. But Pacific Garden
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  S2: Mission is a place where hope is found, because the
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  S2: gospel of Jesus Christ is at the forefront of everything
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  S2: you do. Right?
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  S7: Yeah. Oh, the gospel. That's what changes people. Many of
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  S7: our staff members were former addicts, or they were formerly
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  S7: homeless themselves, that when you can have somebody that can
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  S7: tell people, I was on the street, I was eating
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  S7: out of garbage cans. Jesus Christ changed my life. And
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  S7: I'm going home tonight with my wife or my husband
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  S7: or whatever. And it brings hope to somebody who thought
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  S7: there was no hope for me. I will never change.
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  S7: But when they see somebody else that has changed, it
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  S7: does bring them hope.
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  S1: That's awesome. Phil Kwiatkoski, you know what I want you
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  S1: to do? Boom crew. This is one of the most
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  S1: strategic ministries on the planet and they're doing phenomenal work.
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  S1: And the beat goes on. Text the word garden. If
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  S1: you can throw a few shekels toward a powerful ministry,
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  S1: text the word garden to 805, five, five, 78, 98,
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  S1: just that one word garden to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
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  S1: You know, the image I got in my mind is
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  S1: that this garden is going to be planted, watered, cultivated,
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  S1: and fruit borne out of that thing. You can be
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  S1: a part of it. Text garden to 805 557898. What
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  S1: a work. The grace of God on display.
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  S5: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S1: I, I just I just got a boiling in my
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  S1: belly on this topic of getting victory over some addiction.
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  S1: It's a beautiful thing that this battle has already been won.
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  S1: But that gap between where we are today and the
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  S1: victory tomorrow, what's in that gap? And I'm going to
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  S1: tell you something that's going to sound crazy because it
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  S1: sounds so simplistic, but it's not simplistic, but it's real.
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  S1: I want you to look at this. I'm just going
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  S1: to give you a quick verse here. In all these things,
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  S1: we're more than conquerors through him who loved us. And
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  S1: this comes on the tail of the context here is persecution, hardship, trials, distress, famine,
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  S1: or nakedness or danger or sword. And Paul's raising the
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  S1: specter here. He's basically saying, there is nothing you're up
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  S1: against that God can't conquer in you. Knowing all these
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  S1: things we're more than conquerors through him who loved us.
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  S1: Through him who loved us. We sometimes skip past that.
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  S1: We're more than conquerors through him who loved us. Through
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  S1: him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death,
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  S1: nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor
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  S1: things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor
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  S1: anything else in all creation, will be able to separate
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  S1: us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. I.
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  S1: I urge you there is nothing like having a touchpoint
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  S1: of love from God. It usually is cultivated in quiet
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  S1: with the Bible, open, honest introspection. God, here I am.
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  S1: He already knows that you're agreeing with God, going. God,
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  S1: I don't even feel lovable. I'm a piece of work.
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  S1: I mean, you saved my life. Many of you. You say, God,
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  S1: you transform me. And I feel like such a failure
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  S1: with this one area of my life. Maybe more, but
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  S1: one big one that's kicking your booty. Here's what I
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  S1: need you to know. And it sounds so simplistic, doesn't it,
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  S1: that this touchpoint of love is the transformative power, the
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  S1: same love that you experience when he saved you, that
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  S1: same touchpoint of love. That's the fuel for overcoming anything.
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  S1: Full stop.
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  S2: It is. And I think that a version of this
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  S2: gets misapplied. And I think it a lot of people
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  S2: will say it or kind of originates with self that
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  S2: I need to love myself.
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  S1: Oh wow. Yeah. You're right.
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  S2: And I think that that's that's that's close. But but far. Yeah,
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  S2: the love part's there. But it's not about loving yourself.
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  S1: It's about experiencing the love of a transcendent, holy God
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  S1: who sent his son for you and wants to live
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  S1: in you and breathe in and through you. He wants
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  S1: to do that today, and I'm probably breaking rules here.
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  S1: But if the best use of your time today is
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  S1: to just shut this radio off for about five minutes,
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  S1: I'm a big five minute guy. I think five minutes
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  S1: alone with God where you're just saying, all right, here
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  S1: I am. Even the the noise of what's going on
• 18:48
  S1: with music and stuff needs to be stopped here for
• 18:51
  S1: a moment. I want to get honest with you for
• 18:52
  S1: a nanosecond. Here. Look out! Things can really change. Some
• 18:56
  S1: of you have gotten victory big time. But God wants
• 18:59
  S1: to give you victory today, my friend. He wants to
• 19:01
  S1: mop up those tears. He wants to take that heart
• 19:04
  S1: pain away. And he wants to give you victory. And
• 19:08
  S1: the touch point is the love of God. It is powerhouse.
• 19:12
  S1: Go take hold of it today. Uh, somebody just texted
• 19:15
  S1: this in For the Love of Christ controls a second
• 19:18
  S1: Corinthians 514. Absolutely. Thank you. This. That's why we call
• 19:22
  S1: you the boom crew. Little snippets we get along the way.
• 19:26
  S1: Pretty cool, isn't it? I absolutely love feedback here. All right.
• 19:31
  S1: You've got a question sister. Let's tee it up and roll.
• 19:34
  S2: Yeah. You know I want to hear from you this morning.
• 19:35
  S2: What did God use to help you finally conquer your addiction?
• 19:39
  S2: I want you to think about your own life. And
• 19:41
  S2: this could have been drugs, alcohol, but it also could
• 19:44
  S2: have been some other habit or hang up that you
• 19:46
  S2: had an addiction to maybe even a relationship. What did
• 19:50
  S2: God use to finally help you conquer your addiction?
• 19:54
  S1: Can be spending, can be gossip, can be stretching the
• 19:59
  S1: truth otherwise called a lie.
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  S3: Yes.
• 20:05
  S1: What's so funny about that?
• 20:06
  S3: Because that's what it. Yeah, we we come up with
• 20:09
  S3: little things to make it sound better than it is. Yeah,
• 20:12
  S3: I yeah, we can.
• 20:13
  S1: Sanitize.
• 20:14
  S3: Stuff a little bit. Yeah. That's a little white lie.
• 20:17
  S1: That's what keeps that stuff lurking in the shadows, right?
• 20:19
  S3: Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. It feeds it keeps it going.
• 20:23
  S1: What did God use to finally help you conquer your addiction?
• 20:27
  S1: Whatever that was. And by the way, it's not just,
• 20:30
  S1: you know, methamphetamines and alcohol, right?
• 20:34
  S2: Right.
• 20:35
  S3: Correct. For me, it was lying. It wasn't. You know.
• 20:39
  S1: I was wondering if you were going to go there.
• 20:41
  S3: Yeah. It wasn't one of the the big, you know,
• 20:43
  S3: two drugs or alcohol. But but it was lying. I,
• 20:47
  S3: I grew up in a Christian home, but really good
• 20:50
  S3: at living a double life. You know, I looked like
• 20:53
  S3: a Christian to people who, uh, who thought I was Christian.
• 20:57
  S3: And I mean, I thought I was too, but I,
• 20:59
  S3: I was then really good at not looking like a
• 21:01
  S3: Christian towards people who weren't. And, and I was good
• 21:05
  S3: at hiding that from people I, you know, I lied
• 21:08
  S3: to make myself look better. I lied to put myself
• 21:10
  S3: in more favorable positions or to get myself out of trouble.
• 21:14
  S3: And I felt no conviction about it. Yeah, it didn't
• 21:17
  S3: bother me. It was just, you know what Jonathan's got
• 21:21
  S3: to do to get by.
• 21:22
  S1: How good did you get?
• 21:24
  S3: Really good.
• 21:26
  S1: Really good at.
• 21:27
  S6: It.
• 21:27
  S3: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, uh, I, I use it to,
• 21:32
  S3: to get out of work shifts, you know, at, at McDonald's. I,
• 21:37
  S3: you know, I, I embellished stories to make things sound
• 21:41
  S3: more interesting. Uh, I got myself out of plenty of trouble,
• 21:45
  S3: you know, from telling good lies. And sometimes I would
• 21:49
  S3: preemptively tell the lie. So I'd have a cover story
• 21:51
  S3: in case something was found out, you know? Uh.
• 21:55
  S1: Wow. That's good. That that gets deep weeds, huh?
• 21:58
  S3: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Jonathan was thinking about how to
• 22:01
  S3: how to get himself ahead of the game. And then
• 22:06
  S3: it was that when I came to Christ, I realized
• 22:09
  S3: that I had this gigantic history of lying, uh, to
• 22:13
  S3: where I really didn't even recognize it all the time. Wow.
• 22:16
  S3: You know, and, and so what did it for me was,
• 22:20
  S3: was a new heart given to me by God to
• 22:23
  S3: where I could feel conviction of the Holy Spirit.
• 22:27
  S2: So would you say ultimately it was the conviction.
• 22:30
  S3: It was the conviction of conviction? Absolutely. Because listen, I.
• 22:35
  S3: Everybody has temptations to embellish or to lie a little
• 22:41
  S3: here and there. And I still have those temptations sometimes. Uh,
• 22:46
  S3: and when I do give in to those temptations, the
• 22:50
  S3: Lord does not let me up for air. Uh, you know, it's. Hey,
• 22:55
  S3: you you didn't say that. Quite right. And you, you know,
• 22:59
  S3: you weren't saying it quite right when you said it. Uh,
• 23:02
  S3: and and he gives me that conviction that I need
• 23:05
  S3: in order to be right with him. Uh, and I'm
• 23:07
  S3: grateful for that because otherwise I would. I'd just go
• 23:11
  S3: right back to it.
• 23:12
  S6: Yeah.
• 23:13
  S1: Yeah. That's. And and it's true. I just want to
• 23:18
  S1: affirm this. I'm a big believer when someone tells a
• 23:20
  S1: testimony and if anybody has verification That that's true. I
• 23:25
  S1: try to always get someone to follow up a testimony
• 23:28
  S1: at a church service with someone who goes, and I
• 23:30
  S1: see this in this person, this thing is real. And
• 23:33
  S1: I see this in this person. This thing is real.
• 23:35
  S1: Sometimes Jonathan will come in, look a little forlorn, and
• 23:39
  S1: walk up to me and go, man, I need to
• 23:40
  S1: talk to you. And I know what's coming. And you know, on,
• 23:44
  S1: on this one thing, we just had a break and
• 23:46
  S1: I said something, and I don't think I gave you
• 23:48
  S1: the full scope of that thing. And I think I
• 23:49
  S1: was kind of trying to self protect or something. And
• 23:51
  S1: I'm like, okay, Jonathan, you're okay on this one, dude.
• 23:55
  S1: Half the time I'm calling him off the fence going, bro.
• 23:58
  S6: Yeah.
• 23:58
  S3: And I've grown in that to where sometimes, you know,
• 24:01
  S3: I realize, okay, sometimes I'm being hard on myself and God's, I've,
• 24:05
  S3: I've leaned into where God is like, hey, man, I
• 24:08
  S3: love you. I need you to also calm down a
• 24:11
  S3: little bit here.
• 24:12
  S2: But, but the heart is right.
• 24:14
  S3: But the heart is right and that's good.
• 24:17
  S1: I had ten Skittles, I had 15. I got to
• 24:21
  S1: go back and tell him I had 15, not ten.
• 24:24
  S3: No. Sometimes you can calm down and God's got you,
• 24:26
  S3: but sometimes he's calling you to do something about it.
• 24:28
  S3: And that certainly has been the case with me.
• 24:31
  S1: I thought I had ten, but then I started thinking
• 24:33
  S1: it was really 15, and I don't want to see
• 24:36
  S1: me on that one. And I'm getting overcoming this stuff.
• 24:38
  S1: And you're an awesome dude, Jonathan.
• 24:40
  S5: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 24:44
  S5: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 24:48
  S5: Moody Radio.
• 24:50
  S1: What did God use to finally help you conquer your addictions?
• 24:54
  S1: And they come in a lot of forms. We mentioned gossip.
• 24:57
  S1: Somebody just texted in here my sin of gossip. Jesus
• 24:59
  S1: allowed another to commit the same sin on me, and
• 25:05
  S1: I could see how bad gossip was. Wow. So it
• 25:08
  S1: helped help me fix me. Sometimes that's all you need.
• 25:13
  S6: Yeah.
• 25:13
  S1: Is what you're struggling with. Somebody foists on you or
• 25:16
  S1: you see it heavily and you're like, I ain't going there.
• 25:19
  S3: Perspective.
• 25:21
  S1: That's why my dad never drank alcohol. He had two
• 25:24
  S1: brothers that were ravaged by it, both killed from alcohol.
• 25:29
  S1: Sometimes I was seeing that go before you. It can
• 25:32
  S1: really sober you up. Pardon the pun. Corey. First time
• 25:35
  S1: caller in Indianapolis. What do you say, my brother.
• 25:40
  S8: Hi. Yes. Thank you. Carl. Uh, in 2004 April, I
• 25:44
  S8: prayed to God to help me to stop my self gratification.
• 25:48
  S8: And I told him unless he helps me, I will fail.
• 25:51
  S8: The very next morning I was listening to Moody Radio.
• 25:54
  S8: The late Chuck Colson advertised the book Amusing Ourselves to
• 25:57
  S8: Death by the late Neil Postman. I picked up the
• 26:00
  S8: book the same day, and it opened my eyes to
• 26:02
  S8: the fact that television, video games. It was just swamping
• 26:06
  S8: me and I basically put the whole entertainment center in
• 26:09
  S8: a closet for six months, went without it, and he
• 26:12
  S8: set me free. As Jesus said, gouge out the right eye,
• 26:15
  S8: cut off the right hand. And, uh, I was completely
• 26:19
  S8: separated from it as of December 31st that year. It's
• 26:23
  S8: been 21 years clean. Praise God. And I wrote a
• 26:26
  S8: book about it called The Experiment.
• 26:28
  S1: That's awesome. Cory. That is so cool. My man Cory.
• 26:32
  S1: First time caller from Indianapolis. Yeah. Neil postman amusing ourselves
• 26:37
  S1: to death. That was, uh, mandatory reading for one of
• 26:40
  S1: my courses back at Multnomah Bible College many years ago,
• 26:43
  S1: and I have heard so many people rocked by that.
• 26:46
  S1: It's amazing what kind of little diversions can get our
• 26:49
  S1: turkey and a squisher. Here's a really good one. Came
• 26:52
  S1: in from a text. I was set free from pornography
• 26:55
  S1: addiction when I finally admitted it to a Christian counselor
• 26:59
  S1: exposing it, speaking. It set me free. Ooh, this is
• 27:03
  S1: a huge principle in scripture. You not only find it
• 27:06
  S1: in First John one nine that if you confess it
• 27:09
  S1: to God, it kind of swipes the slate clean with God.
• 27:13
  S1: And all of a sudden, that power band that had
• 27:15
  S1: you by the throat, There's a release there. But then
• 27:19
  S1: James five, if you can speak it out to people
• 27:22
  S1: here on earth, you ever notice it's sometimes easier to
• 27:25
  S1: confess issues to God than it is to people?
• 27:27
  S6: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 27:28
  S1: Well, God gave us people that that it begins to
• 27:33
  S1: break the back of Satan's power in our life. It
• 27:35
  S1: steals the power from agreeing with God and others about
• 27:39
  S1: what's kicking your spiritual hind end. It can really change you.
• 27:43
  S2: Another great text that came in from someone who says,
• 27:45
  S2: I use prayer before every meal, thanking God for the
• 27:48
  S2: nutritious meal that he's put in front of me, and
• 27:50
  S2: letting go of the obsession of all the foods that
• 27:52
  S2: have caused me to be obese, said the prayer before meals,
• 27:56
  S2: allowing them to rightly see the food that's in front
• 27:59
  S2: of them.
• 28:00
  S1: That's beautiful. So we're taking your calls. What did God
• 28:04
  S1: use to finally help you conquer your addiction? Kirsten. First
• 28:07
  S1: time caller, Dade City, Florida. What do you say, sister?
• 28:12
  S9: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. Um, one morning,
• 28:16
  S9: After years and years of trying to quit drinking, I
• 28:19
  S9: walked from our kitchen into our screen room and I
• 28:22
  S9: was actually set free at that point. I attended a
• 28:25
  S9: 12 step meeting that night and he led me to
• 28:29
  S9: a Christian recovery since then.
• 28:32
  S1: It's beautiful man. It's fresh on your heart, isn't it, sister?
• 28:37
  S9: Yeah, it's been 13 years.
• 28:39
  S1: Praise God for that. Boom. This is why we call
• 28:41
  S1: you the boom Crew. So there's a lot about bringing
• 28:45
  S1: this into the light. And, boy, when it lurks in
• 28:47
  S1: the shadows, it's just going to keep kicking our tail.
• 28:50
  S1: And we can. We try to suck it up and
• 28:53
  S1: we can wake up one morning and go, this will
• 28:56
  S1: never have me again. And that'll that's good for a day,
• 29:00
  S1: 72 hours a week. And then boom, we're back on
• 29:03
  S1: our face again.
• 29:04
  S3: The greatest lie we ever tell ourselves in these situations
• 29:06
  S3: is I can handle this one on my own. I
• 29:09
  S3: can get it fixed without telling anybody. It's not true. You.
• 29:13
  S3: You cannot. God designed us for community and that includes
• 29:17
  S3: getting things out of our life as well.
• 29:19
  S1: Boom. Brother Terry, first time caller in Indianapolis as well.
• 29:24
  S1: What do you say, Terry?
• 29:27
  S10: I say good morning. How are you all doing? The Lord. Yeah.
• 29:32
  S10: The Lord set me free from lying and lusting. Um.
• 29:35
  S10: I was saved with lusting. He used grace and time.
• 29:39
  S10: It wasn't. It was kind of a thorn in the
• 29:40
  S10: flesh that made me continue to seek him. And then
• 29:45
  S10: with the lying that was, um, more instant. It was conviction.
• 29:49
  S10: And then the power of the Holy Spirit that allowed
• 29:53
  S10: me to get free of being a liar. Excellent.
• 29:59
  S6: Yeah.
• 29:59
  S10: And that.
• 30:02
  S11: Did you did you say grace over time?
• 30:05
  S1: Is that what you said, Terry?
• 30:07
  S10: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:09
  S1: That's profound.
• 30:11
  S10: Time of life.
• 30:12
  S1: That's profound, bro, because and here's what he's saying. Thank
• 30:17
  S1: you Terry. Boom brother. First time caller from Indianapolis. Here's
• 30:21
  S1: what he's saying. This is what's so good. Grace is
• 30:24
  S1: God's power to do in us what we can't do
• 30:26
  S1: in ourself. And if we lean into that grace over time,
• 30:30
  S1: there is no way that we're going to have anything
• 30:32
  S1: but freedom. That is.
• 30:33
  S6: Power.
• 30:34
  S2: Grace over time and lie. Liar. PA! Excellent. Terry, you
• 30:38
  S2: got some quotables for us this morning, brother.
• 30:40
  S1: Liar. PA! Excellent. Anonymous in Florida. Thanks for calling in.
• 30:45
  S1: What do you say? Anonymous.
• 30:48
  S12: Hey, I struggle like most men with, uh, being assaulted
• 30:52
  S12: on social media with the things that you shouldn't be
• 30:55
  S12: looking at. And, um, God not only used conviction and
• 31:00
  S12: and his grace and mercy, he actually brought me to
• 31:04
  S12: a Christian server. It's called United City. Uh, and I
• 31:09
  S12: wasn't assaulted by pornography. I I wasn't assaulted by ads.
• 31:13
  S12: I wasn't assaulted by, you know, the leftist culture of
• 31:17
  S12: the world. And it really I had to get off.
• 31:21
  S12: I had to get off the world system. And being
• 31:24
  S12: on this, uh, this Christian server has really helped me.
• 31:28
  S12: I'm able to use the technology that God gives us
• 31:31
  S12: without being assaulted. And it's been fantastic.
• 31:35
  S6: Way to.
• 31:36
  S12: Go. God used his grace and technology, um, to set
• 31:40
  S12: me free.
• 31:41
  S1: Awesome, man. Anonymous. Way to go. By the way, speaking
• 31:44
  S1: of technology, I was told about a new technology that
• 31:47
  S1: is absolutely helping people get victory. It's called bloom. It's
• 31:53
  S1: a credit card. It looks like a credit card, and
• 31:56
  S1: you pre-program it and it shuts down your phone in
• 32:02
  S1: apps that you designate. And you hand that card to someone,
• 32:05
  S1: a friend, and they in turn hold on to it
• 32:10
  S1: until you ask for it back. And it's given a
• 32:13
  S1: lot of kids breakthrough. It's called bloom. And it's not
• 32:16
  S1: just for kids. People.
• 32:18
  S5: Take your next step with Jesus. Today you're listening to
• 32:22
  S5: Carl and crew.
• 32:23
  S1: Okay. Got up way early this morning, way early in.
• 32:28
  S1: The Lord had an appointment with me. This is probably
• 32:32
  S1: one of the most important questions we've asked in a long,
• 32:35
  S1: long time. And I mean this because discipleship at a
• 32:39
  S1: surface level can just perpetuate a pharisaical. And by the way,
• 32:45
  S1: that isn't all bad. Pharisees get a bad rap, but
• 32:49
  S1: there's many Pharisees that saw Jesus as the Messiah and turned.
• 32:54
  S1: They were students of the word. They were. They were
• 32:57
  S1: waiting for the Messiah. Some rejected him, but some followed him.
• 33:01
  S1: Some had been raised in Pharisaism. So we got to
• 33:04
  S1: be very careful when we start throwing around words and labels.
• 33:08
  S1: But there is something beautiful about meeting with the living God.
• 33:15
  S1: Asking him to help you overcome something. And then you
• 33:21
  S1: realize the deeper issue is what God wants to help
• 33:25
  S1: you with. Let's keep it really simple. Imagine someone asking, God,
• 33:30
  S1: help me overcome this fogginess of brain, and I'm short
• 33:34
  S1: on sleep. And God, oftentimes in his mercy, will say, yeah,
• 33:37
  S1: I'm going to help you, but let's say that goes
• 33:39
  S1: on three mornings in a row, and then you listen
• 33:43
  S1: long enough to hear the Spirit of God say, you
• 33:44
  S1: know what? You need to go to bed earlier. I'm
• 33:48
  S1: willing to help you with your sleep, but I created
• 33:53
  S1: your body to rest and you need more than six hours.
• 33:57
  S1: And I want you to go to bed earlier tonight.
• 34:00
  S1: See how simple that is? Ali.
• 34:01
  S2: Yeah. And so that's what leads to our question this
• 34:04
  S2: morning that you are praying to overcome one thing, but
• 34:07
  S2: God revealed to you a deeper issue.
• 34:10
  S1: Brandy. First time caller. Oh, I can't see the city.
• 34:13
  S1: It's blocked on the screen. Is it.
• 34:14
  S6: North?
• 34:14
  S2: North Georgia.
• 34:15
  S1: North Georgia. What do you say? Brandy?
• 34:18
  S13: Um, so so my biggest issue was smoking. I smoked
• 34:23
  S13: for 20 years and I just I was ready to quit. Um,
• 34:30
  S13: but I was, I was really struggling with it because
• 34:32
  S13: it was my comfort for stress and anxiety and overwhelming days.
• 34:37
  S13: And I would just pray for God to make me sick, like,
• 34:40
  S13: just make me sick to my stomach. And, you know,
• 34:44
  S13: it happens like I would, I would get horrible migraines.
• 34:47
  S13: I would, I would literally feel sick to my stomach
• 34:50
  S13: just nauseous. And I just, I, I was able to
• 34:53
  S13: put it down. It was great. Um, but the deeper
• 34:57
  S13: meaning was I just, I needed to slow down. I
• 35:00
  S13: was going 100 miles an hour with nursing school and
• 35:04
  S13: with two kids at home, a full time job. My
• 35:07
  S13: husband was a truck driver at the time, so he
• 35:09
  S13: was here and there. And so I just I needed
• 35:13
  S13: to take a day to put away the phones, put
• 35:15
  S13: away the schoolwork, and just be in the moment with
• 35:19
  S13: my kids and with myself and with God and with
• 35:22
  S13: my Bible reading. And so I was sick, but I
• 35:26
  S13: quit and I was able to gain back, you know, sanity.
• 35:31
  S1: So here's, here's the point, Brandon, you're teeing this up beautifully.
• 35:34
  S1: You were praying to overcome smoking, but God revealed to
• 35:38
  S1: you there were family systems that were creating stress that
• 35:42
  S1: if you get that remedied, it's going to be more
• 35:44
  S1: likely you get off the cigs. Is that fair?
• 35:48
  S13: Absolutely.
• 35:50
  S1: Okay. That's okay. Exhibit A right there. Brandy. You knocked
• 35:54
  S1: it out of the park. Boom! Sister. That's why we
• 35:57
  S1: call you the boom crew here, guys. Isn't that beautiful?
• 36:00
  S2: Yeah. I mean, because those root issues of anxiety and
• 36:03
  S2: stress were the real problems. I mean, the smoking obviously
• 36:07
  S2: was symptomatic, but those deeper issues were the ones that
• 36:11
  S2: needed to be addressed. So I love that. I love
• 36:13
  S2: that story. Thank you. Brandy.
• 36:16
  S11: This is so.
• 36:17
  S1: True. I'm actually thrilled that we're tackling this one because
• 36:24
  S1: as a pastor, this is how I disciple as a
• 36:29
  S1: man who wants to be a disciple of Christ. This
• 36:32
  S1: is how I let the Holy Spirit disciple me. Not
• 36:35
  S1: all the time. I don't get it right all the time.
• 36:38
  S1: Sometimes I go, sometimes I go back to the well.
• 36:41
  S1: Oh God, help me overcome this. Oh God, help me
• 36:43
  S1: overcome this. And by his grace, sometimes he does. But
• 36:46
  S1: sometimes in his mercy he doesn't. You know why, Ali?
• 36:49
  S1: Why he's wanting to go to the deeper issue. God
• 36:55
  S1: loves me enough to not give me relief in overcoming
• 36:59
  S1: something for the sake of showing me the real issue
• 37:02
  S1: that needs to be overcome. Isn't God good?
• 37:05
  S6: Yeah.
• 37:07
  S1: It's hard.
• 37:08
  S6: Yeah. But it's it's.
• 37:09
  S2: Healthy. It's healthy. Functional parenting.
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  S6: Yes. Yeah.
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  S1: You, you know, you, it's, it's not healthy parenting to
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  S1: let that stuff persist. The deeper issue and God loves
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  S1: us how much more than moms and dads can even
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  S1: love their kids. Jesus spoke of that.
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  S2: You know, we have one of our children who has been, uh,
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  S2: gotten some consequences as of late. And I will not
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  S2: say which child, but this particular child for the first
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  S2: couple days.
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  S1: Are you sure they needed that? I'm going to go
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  S1: to bat for them.
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  S6: So for the.
• 37:43
  S2: First couple days, the questions were more mostly around. So
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  S2: when is the punishment going to be over? And so
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  S2: the conversation we kept redirecting it to is you're focused
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  S2: on the consequences and wanting the consequences removed. But we
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  S2: need to talk about the deeper issue that drove you
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  S2: to having these consequences to begin with.
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  S6: So I can't.
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  S1: Stand it for your kids.
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  S6: But you're a good mom.
• 38:07
  S2: But it was getting to that layer deeper of yes,
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  S2: you keep asking about when is this going to let up?
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  S2: But let's talk about the deeper issue.
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  S1: Yeah. James first time caller, plant City, Florida. What do
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  S1: you say? My man.
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  S14: How's it going, brother? I'm blessed.
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  S1: Yeah. Give us your story.
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  S14: So I was an addiction for 30 years. Um, you know,
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  S14: and just had a lot of trauma in my life. And,
• 38:32
  S14: you know, last six years of my life, while I
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  S14: was homeless for five due to a suicide of my
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  S14: nephew who was like my son. Well, I was praying,
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  S14: you know, because I had overdosed four times. I was
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  S14: dead 9.5 minutes. And I was praying for the Lord to,
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  S14: to take this, this, this addiction from me. You know
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  S14: what I mean? And, uh, he just started revealing to
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  S14: me about forgiveness in my heart and, and just things
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  S14: that I had one forgiven myself and two forgiven others,
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  S14: people that had hurt me. You know what I mean?
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  S14: And and through that, you know, it's a process. But,
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  S14: you know, I've been, I've been, um, I've been sober from,
• 39:09
  S14: like I said, those heroin, fentanyl, meth for what, a
• 39:12
  S14: year and four months now. And, you know, I'm married,
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  S14: I have a home, I have a vehicle. I have
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  S14: a job.
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  S1: Oh, James. James, you just nailed it, brother. You get this,
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  S1: don't you, bro? You get this, you get it. Yes, sir. Yeah,
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  S1: you get it, bro. I love you so much, James. James.
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  S1: I love you, man. I wish I could give you
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  S1: a hug. I hope you feel one from God right
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  S1: now because I'm giving you one. But, James, you nailed it.
• 39:37
  S1: James did the deep work of going. What's really going
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  S1: on here? And the Spirit of God directed him. To
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  S1: clean up some messes by God's grace in the aisles
• 39:51
  S1: of his life. And the rest is history. James. Boom, boom, boom.
• 39:58
  S1: That's a triple boom, brother. I love you.
• 40:01
  S5: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 40:04
  S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 40:07
  S4: to stay in your past. And I want you to
• 40:09
  S4: know and believe that today.
• 40:10
  S5: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
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  S1: We've got a question for you. You were praying to
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  S1: overcome one thing, but God revealed to you the deeper thing,
• 40:20
  S1: the deeper issue. Kind of like the word thing.
• 40:25
  S6: Things are kind of like that word.
• 40:26
  S3: In this scenario, I.
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  S6: Like it.
• 40:27
  S1: There's a thing I'm struggling with. And then God showed
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  S1: me a deeper thing. And it's this is called discipleship.
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  S1: The other stuff's just surface. You're just skimming along at
• 40:39
  S1: 30,000ft and God's saying, oh, let's take this. 737 let's
• 40:45
  S1: go down and let's get down there and let's do
• 40:47
  S1: a fly over at about 1000ft.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S1: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:52
  S2: Oh, yeah. I mean, we see this all the time.
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  S2: I mean, when when the Holy Spirit allows us to
• 40:56
  S2: see that the issue is not really the issue. And
• 41:00
  S2: I know that's a counseling term that's used all the time.
• 41:02
  S2: The issue is not usually the actual issue, but the
• 41:05
  S2: Holy Spirit helps us see this too.
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  S1: Yeah. Big time. Uh, Simone Grand Rapids, Michigan, first time caller.
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  S1: What do you say?
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  S15: Uh, yeah. So I had a time. I was praying
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  S15: for my husband and God's like, no, you're he's not
• 41:22
  S15: the issue right now. You are. And he revealed to
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  S15: me how much deep unforgiveness I was hoarding in my
• 41:30
  S15: heart for many, many years. I didn't even know existed.
• 41:33
  S15: And he told me, you're not giving me or surrendering
• 41:37
  S15: this to me or forgiving. You're just loaning this to
• 41:40
  S15: me temporarily. So he asked me to truly surrender and
• 41:45
  S15: truly give that forgiveness so I could have the freedom
• 41:48
  S15: that I've been in. Breakthrough. I've been praying for.
• 41:51
  S6: Boom sister, boom. Sister and.
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  S1: Simone. You came alive, didn't you? God gave you God.
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  S1: God gave you more than you were even asking for.
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  S15: Oh, it was life changing. Absolutely.
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  S1: Simone, you're rocking it with Jesus. Sister Simone, I need
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  S1: you to share that story three times before Monday morning.
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  S1: Three times.
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  S15: Okay. Challenge accepted.
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  S1: Will you do that three times? Okay, I will, thank you.
• 42:23
  S1: Thank you. Simone. Call back and report back how it went.
• 42:26
  S1: By the way, I really want that. Not wanting to
• 42:28
  S1: give homework here, but man, I'd love to hear how
• 42:31
  S1: that goes.
• 42:31
  S6: Yeah.
• 42:32
  S1: Because this is the stuff, Ali.
• 42:35
  S2: And with each call, it takes so much humility. First
• 42:39
  S2: of all, to share, but even just to allow God
• 42:42
  S2: to kind of put his finger on the deeper thing,
• 42:44
  S2: because we, you know, in Simone's instance, I'm sure that
• 42:47
  S2: there are things that her husband was doing that were frustrating,
• 42:51
  S2: that were probably prompting her to pray maybe a little bit,
• 42:54
  S2: even in frustration, like, God, can you change him? God
• 42:57
  S2: can you? And we've all done that with something. God,
• 42:59
  S2: can you fix this? God, can you help me overcome this?
• 43:02
  S2: But it takes humility to then sit back quietly as
• 43:05
  S2: you realize, wait a second. Okay, maybe maybe I'm the issue.
• 43:10
  S2: Maybe it's the unforgiveness in my heart. Maybe it's the
• 43:12
  S2: anxiety and stress that's driving me to smoking. Maybe it's
• 43:16
  S2: the bitterness in my heart that's causing me to have
• 43:19
  S2: a a hard heart toward this person who is so
• 43:21
  S2: bothersome to me.
• 43:23
  S1: So powerful, so powerful.
• 43:26
  S5: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
• 43:29
  S5: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 43:33
  S1: God brought you here for a very specific reason. We've
• 43:36
  S1: been tackling today the joy of understanding that oftentimes the
• 43:40
  S1: presenting issue isn't the real issue. And some of you,
• 43:44
  S1: maybe it's you have prayed and you've tried your best
• 43:49
  S1: to make this thing called Christianity work and it's not
• 43:53
  S1: in the problem could very well be that you are
• 43:59
  S1: not a biblical Christian. So I want to pour my
• 44:03
  S1: heart out here for a moment, and I'm so glad
• 44:05
  S1: Young Thunder brought this to mind, because this is vital.
• 44:08
  S1: This is this is the most important topic that we
• 44:11
  S1: can hit here on Carl and Cruz, not only introducing salvation,
• 44:15
  S1: but the possibility that you could have a deception of
• 44:19
  S1: salvation and not possess what Jesus wants you to have.
• 44:23
  S1: And I just want to just basically walk through the
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  S1: word with you here and explain this to you. But
• 44:28
  S1: even in the sermon on the Mount, Jesus said, and
• 44:30
  S1: this is one of his first teachings that he ever
• 44:33
  S1: had in public. He said these words. He said, many
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  S1: will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, and
• 44:40
  S1: he's going to say, I never knew you. And his
• 44:43
  S1: response is shocking to them. And they come back. This
• 44:49
  S1: is him speaking this. They will say to me, Lord, we.
• 44:52
  S1: We preached in your name, prophesied, spoke in your name.
• 44:56
  S1: We cast out demons in your name. We did mighty
• 45:00
  S1: works in your name. Three things they cited. And he says,
• 45:02
  S1: depart from me. I never knew you. So premise one
• 45:07
  S1: here you can be very spiritually active and not be
• 45:13
  S1: born again. It was Wayne Grudem who came on our show,
• 45:18
  S1: and we were talking about this very topic, and he said,
• 45:21
  S1: there are prayers that are prayed that appear to be answered.
• 45:24
  S1: There are activities that we do spiritually that appear to
• 45:28
  S1: be fruitful. And this almost dovetails with the reality that
• 45:33
  S1: we're all born in the image of God. And so
• 45:35
  S1: there is some tendency toward manifesting good things in our life.
• 45:40
  S1: This is why very lost and even wretched people can
• 45:43
  S1: do good things. This is why the Hitlers of this
• 45:47
  S1: world can. Be so hopelessly wretched, with millions of people
• 45:56
  S1: sending them off to their death. Jewish people. And yet
• 45:59
  S1: bounce a grandchild on his knee. It's. It's just real.
• 46:06
  S1: I'm not calling you Hitler, but I'm saying deception is real.
• 46:12
  S1: So he says, many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord,
• 46:14
  S1: and he's going to say, I never knew you. You
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  S1: go to first Corinthians chapter 11 and you find that
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  S1: even in the church of Corinth he said, examine yourself
• 46:22
  S1: to see if you're in the faith. Why would why
• 46:25
  S1: would Paul say that? Because it is possible again, to
• 46:29
  S1: be very spiritually active and involved in church and raised
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  S1: in a great home, but not be born again. One
• 46:38
  S1: of my favorite parables that I've seen as of late
• 46:41
  S1: that the Lord's been using in my heart is in
• 46:45
  S1: Matthew 25. He talks about the ten bridesmaids, and it's
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  S1: all speaking about when the Lord's going to return and
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  S1: who he's going to take with them and who's going
• 46:54
  S1: to be left behind. And he says there's ten bridesmaids
• 46:58
  S1: and they're so they're all kind of dressed up. You know,
• 47:02
  S1: if you took this metaphor to its full extent, they're
• 47:04
  S1: all dressed up looking like they're going to meet the groom. Right?
• 47:09
  S1: And they've all got lamps in their hand, but only
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  S1: five had oil in the lamp. And when the Lord
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  S1: was coming, there was no time for the other five
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  S1: to get oil in their lamp, and they were left behind.
• 47:23
  S1: Now the question is, where do you go when you're
• 47:25
  S1: left behind? And this is the hard truth. But in
• 47:29
  S1: 1313 times Jesus speaks of hell. Now the word hell
• 47:35
  S1: can seem, oh my goodness, brutal. Because it is. It's brutal.
• 47:40
  S1: It's eternity separated from God. But it even goes deeper
• 47:44
  S1: than that. Hell is from the Greek word Gehenna. And
• 47:50
  S1: Gehenna is from the word hinnom. It's the Hinnom Valley,
• 47:53
  S1: and the Hinnom Valley is where there were. There were
• 47:58
  S1: living sacrifices that King Manasseh actually offered up, probably his
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  S1: firstborn son, maybe more to false gods on molten arms. Imagine.
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  S1: Imagine the noises of that child being pulled from a
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  S1: mother's arm of this child going to its death. And
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  S1: that was done in the Hinnom Valley. The Hidden Valley
• 48:25
  S1: was a place of ugliness. It was a place of
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  S1: disorder in every evil thing was going on in the
• 48:35
  S1: Hinnom Valley. The Hinnom Valley, or Gehenna, as Jesus calls it,
• 48:39
  S1: represents hell. And most scholars believe that Jesus was even
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  S1: forecasting what would happen in the Hinnom Valley because for
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  S1: many years it became a garbage dump for Jerusalem. You
• 48:52
  S1: ready for this? Hinnom Valley is about 300ft from the
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  S1: walls of Jerusalem, from the city of Safety, representing salvation
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  S1: and God to the hidden Valley was 300ft. See how
• 49:05
  S1: close you can be yet so far away. And it's
• 49:09
  S1: God saying that to you today, my friend. You're so
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  S1: close but so far away. You see, the goal is
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  S1: not to have behavior modification. The goal is radical internal change.
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  S1: And he wants to save your soul today. I don't
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  S1: want you to spend eternity in a garbage dump far
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  S1: from God. I appeal to you today. Be reconciled to God.
• 49:39
  S1: This requires humility. You gotta look into your life and go,
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  S1: I'm a sinner and I need a savior. That declaration
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  S1: is going to be followed with repentance. This is the gospel,
• 49:52
  S1: the good news. According to Mark six, the good news
• 49:54
  S1: is only good news if what's proclaimed is repentance. This
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  S1: is more than a hand in the air. This is
• 50:00
  S1: more than walking an aisle. This is more than an
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  S1: emotional experience. Repentance is the word metanoia, and it means
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  S1: to turn, to change your mind, to change your heart,
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  S1: to change the direction of your life, to turn around
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  S1: and give everything to God today. And the reason I'm
• 50:21
  S1: passionate is I don't want you to spend eternity in
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  S1: a garbage dump with smoldering fires where that dump was
• 50:33
  S1: lit aflame so that they could burn off that refuse.
• 50:36
  S1: That's the fiery end for those who are not truly
• 50:43
  S1: surrendered to Jesus, what does it profit you to gain
• 50:46
  S1: the whole world and lose your soul? That's what I
• 50:48
  S1: want to ask you. What does it profit you? And
• 50:52
  S1: I say it with complete compassion. Please be reconciled to God.
• 51:01
  S1: If you've been in church, it's time to stop playing
• 51:04
  S1: spiritual games and get on with your relationship with Jesus Christ.
• 51:10
  S1: To be born again for the first time ever. And
• 51:15
  S1: the beauty is, is that the Holy Spirit's. You weren't
• 51:18
  S1: hearing Carl. You're hearing the Holy Spirit speak to you, saying,
• 51:22
  S1: this is you. But you can be saved today. You
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  S1: don't have to go to the Valley of Hinnom for
• 51:29
  S1: the rest of your life. And you can be saved
• 51:32
  S1: from that garbage pit today and brought in to the
• 51:36
  S1: city of God into the city of God. Surrender your
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  S1: life to Jesus today. Be found in him. In Romans,
• 51:45
  S1: Paul says. Chapter ten if you confess with your mouth,
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  S1: Jesus is Lord. That says heavy. It's heavy. He says,
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  S1: if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is my highest authority.
• 51:59
  S1: I'm no longer my highest authority, the man or the
• 52:02
  S1: woman in the mirror. That's not what drives my life.
• 52:06
  S1: I now surrender my life to God. He's my Lord,
• 52:10
  S1: he's my Lord, he's my king. He's my Messiah. He's
• 52:14
  S1: my rescuer. You will be saved. Do you believe that
• 52:20
  S1: God raised him from the dead? Are you willing to
• 52:24
  S1: agree with God today that you're a sinner who needs
• 52:27
  S1: a Savior? And are you ready today to repent, to
• 52:31
  S1: turn around, to change your mind? Everything. No more worrying
• 52:35
  S1: about what people think about you. This is about you
• 52:38
  S1: and God. What does he say you are and are
• 52:42
  S1: you found in him? Today I appeal to you. Surrender
• 52:45
  S1: your life to Jesus. And this is what I want
• 52:47
  S1: you to do right now. If the Spirit of God
• 52:49
  S1: is convicting you of your sin, praise God, you got
• 52:53
  S1: to get there. I want you to confess with your
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  S1: mouth right now, Jesus is Lord. Just tell him you
• 52:59
  S1: are now the leader of my life. First time ever.
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  S1: This is it. I've played games in the past. No
• 53:05
  S1: more games today. Today you are my Lord. Today I
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  S1: repent on that first one. Let me just ask you this.
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  S1: Is that you? Are you declaring with your mouth, Jesus
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  S1: is Lord today? Just say Jesus is Lord today. So
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  S1: you believe in your heart that God raised him from
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  S1: the dead and he's called you to follow him today.
• 53:25
  S1: Are you repenting from this broad path that leads to destruction?
• 53:29
  S1: Turning around, changing your mind, your behavior, everything? And by
• 53:32
  S1: the way, he's doing all this. This is you're just
• 53:35
  S1: agreeing with him. them. Are you saying yes to turning
• 53:38
  S1: around and following Jesus today? Just say I'm saying it
• 53:42
  S1: right now. God, yes, I'm turning around. And right now,
• 53:46
  S1: in this moment, I am absolutely certain that the the
• 53:50
  S1: blues are bluer, the greens are greener, things are coming
• 53:53
  S1: into clearer focus. Heavy weights are being thrown off your shoulders.
• 53:57
  S1: That's because Jesus has been saying to you through this
• 54:00
  S1: whole thing, come to me, all who are weary and
• 54:02
  S1: heavy laden. I'll give you rest. You take my yoke
• 54:05
  S1: upon you, and you learn from me. For I am
• 54:08
  S1: gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest
• 54:10
  S1: for your soul and your souls finding rest for the
• 54:15
  S1: first time ever. And this is what this is, what
• 54:18
  S1: it's all about. This is what it's all about. And
• 54:23
  S1: you're getting freed from yourself by the Savior of the world.
• 54:29
  S1: And I want you to get your phones out right now,
• 54:31
  S1: because we want to help you on your first steps
• 54:33
  S1: with Jesus. So get your phone right now. Get your
• 54:36
  S1: phone right now. I want you to text the word
• 54:38
  S1: new to 805 557898. Right now just text that word
• 54:44
  S1: new to 805 557898.
• 54:49
  S5: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 54:53
  S5: and crew.
• 54:53
  S1: I would love to be on a on a microphone
• 54:56
  S1: behind CC that's not turned up loud, by the way.
• 54:59
  S1: Just be in there would be okay.
• 55:01
  S2: So okay, so that's the artist. If you had to
• 55:03
  S2: pick an artist who you would most like to just
• 55:05
  S2: get up there with the mic turned off, but just
• 55:08
  S2: pretend and, and kind of sing along with them, but
• 55:10
  S2: nobody could hear. Would it be CC.
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  S1: Ben Fuller just because oh, Ben, the story is so epic.
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  S3: It is so good.
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  S2: Just get up there, maybe have an air guitar and
• 55:20
  S2: a microphone turned off.
• 55:22
  S1: How about we have Ben Fuller CC concert and then
• 55:24
  S1: we can do both?
• 55:25
  S2: I like it. Jonathan, who would it be for you?
• 55:27
  S2: Who are you jumping up on stage with?
• 55:29
  S3: Oh, that's a great question. I think probably Chris Tomlin.
• 55:33
  S3: I think.
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  S1: Chris Tomlin.
• 55:35
  S3: His music is always just so theologically deep, like he
• 55:40
  S3: did Holy forever. Yes. You know, and, and so I
• 55:44
  S3: love those anthem type songs that are really theologically deep.
• 55:48
  S3: So I'd probably jump on with Chris Tomlin.
• 55:50
  S2: Okay. I think I'm jumping up on stage with Ann Wilson.
• 55:54
  S3: Oh really? Country.
• 55:56
  S2: I think it would be fun. I think I'd grab
• 55:58
  S2: some cowboy boots and and one of those prairie dresses
• 56:02
  S2: and grab a microphone and prairie dress.
• 56:06
  S1: She's up there, line dancing behind. I mean, Wilson.
• 56:10
  S2: Like there's her performances are so energetic and the crowd
• 56:14
  S2: is so engaged. Yeah. Me and Ann Wilson are gonna
• 56:16
  S2: sing a duet.
• 56:17
  S3: There you go.
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  S16: And they're gonna line dance together while they're doing it.
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  S3: I love.
• 56:21
  S16: The.
• 56:21
  S1: Choreography.
• 56:22
  S3: She gave the outfit for the concert. Yeah, and the
• 56:24
  S3: thing she.
• 56:25
  S16: Got a prairie.
• 56:26
  S1: Dress on.
• 56:26
  S3: Is she perfectly described. What country music artists who are
• 56:30
  S3: women wear when they're on stage.
• 56:32
  S16: Is that what they wear?
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  S3: Cowgirl boots and prairie dresses and a big hat.
• 56:35
  S2: Yes.
• 56:36
  S1: Our prairie dress is something you saw in little House
• 56:39
  S1: on the Prairie.
• 56:39
  S2: Yeah, but it's the style, you know. It's like the
• 56:42
  S2: the feminine, but then the boots make it edgy.
• 56:45
  S3: Edgy.
• 56:47
  S2: Okay, so you want to weigh in on this one.
• 56:49
  S2: I don't want to leave you out of the conversation.
• 56:51
  S2: Who comes to mind for you? Who are you jumping
• 56:52
  S2: up on stage for or with to do a duet
• 56:56
  S2: that nobody hears? Just text us 805 557898.
• 57:01
  S1: Yeah, I'm dying to know. Oh goodness. Back in the day,
• 57:06
  S1: for me it would have been Boston. But now my
• 57:08
  S1: appetite's changed. But some of those good ones, man, those
• 57:11
  S1: old ones don't look back. More than a feeling, man.
• 57:16
  S3: There's some good rock rock songs out there. More Than
• 57:18
  S3: a Feeling is amazing. That's the.
• 57:22
  S2: One.
• 57:22
  S3: That one? Yep.
• 57:23
  S16: Yeah.
• 57:24
  S2: It's the only part of the song.
• 57:25
  S3: Even Ali knows it.
• 57:26
  S2: But that's the only part of the song.
• 57:28
  S3: I know that's the only part. Most people know.
• 57:29
  S16: You know.
• 57:30
  S1: This. Part two. Doom doom doom.
• 57:32
  S17: Doom doom doom.
• 57:34
  S2: It's actually pretty good.
• 57:36
  S3: It's good. Go, Carl!
• 57:38
  S2: I'm impressed.
• 57:39
  S1: Uh, so who would you sing with here? We don't
• 57:42
  S1: have any. Oh, here we go. Brandon Lake or Motley Crue?
• 57:45
  S1: That's quite a combo there. That's quite a combo. Jelly roll.
• 57:51
  S1: That's hilarious. Wow. You know, he regrets some of his
• 57:55
  S1: facial tattoos, by the way.
• 57:56
  S2: Really?
• 57:56
  S3: That's such a hard thing. When you get a tattoo
• 58:00
  S3: that is so outward facing and you can't. You can't
• 58:04
  S3: take those things off your skin. You can take them off,
• 58:06
  S3: but there's there's scars and stuff that are left. And man,
• 58:09
  S3: that's really hard to regret that kind of stuff.
• 58:11
  S2: All right. We got lots of feedback on this one.
• 58:13
  S2: TobyMac and Paul McCartney says six, seven, seven, six. Another
• 58:16
  S2: vote for TobyMac. 1201 uh, Kane and Ann Wilson. Cece
• 58:20
  S2: Winans 100% says. 4364 Forrest Frank. 1083 Nat King Cole. Okay. There. Yes,
• 58:29
  S2: that's right up your alley, Jonathan.
• 58:31
  S3: Absolutely.
• 58:32
  S1: Somebody said Karl's mom.
• 58:34
  S2: What? Wait, what?
• 58:36
  S1: I don't know what that one means. My mom could
• 58:39
  S1: carry a tune. It was my grandma that sang it. Moody.
• 58:42
  S2: Okay.
• 58:43
  S1: Yeah. My grandma, Danny Gokey.
• 58:45
  S2: 30. 30. 81. Kane. William Murphy. I don't know who
• 58:49
  S2: that is.
• 58:50
  S1: John Cooper from skillet. Yes, sirree. Bob. That talk about
• 58:53
  S1: a guy who's on fire for Jesus. We've had John
• 58:56
  S1: in here, and he's a he's cooker. Oh, yeah? Who
• 58:58
  S1: didn't you know?
• 59:00
  S2: I wasn't sure. Oh, I just lost it. Phil Wickham
• 59:02
  S2: definitely know him. Yeah. Brandon Lake and Jelly Roll. 7351.
• 59:07
  S2: And then someone just corrected me and says there's nothing
• 59:09
  S2: edgy about Kal.
• 59:10
  S3: See, that's what I was thinking is, is.
• 59:13
  S2: Is it not?
• 59:13
  S3: Cowboy boots are not edgy. I mean, that's like.
• 59:16
  S2: Well, to someone who lives in downtown Chicago, that's.
• 59:19
  S3: Yes. That's where it's coming from. I was gonna.
• 59:21
  S2: Say that feels edgy to me.
• 59:22
  S3: 75% of people in the South.
• 59:25
  S2: That's right on the edge for a city. For a
• 59:27
  S2: city girl. But hey, fair. I'll give you that for
• 59:31
  S2: most of the country. Not edgy.
• 59:33
  S1: Hey, I got a compliment.
• 59:34
  S3: Someone said Bob Dylan because I would have the better voice.
• 59:38
  S16: Oh, that's raw.
• 59:40
  S1: That's raw. What makes Bob Dylan Bob Dylan is a
• 59:43
  S1: bad voice.
• 59:44
  S3: It's so interesting. That voice is so unique and not great.
• 59:51
  S3: But he is such a popular singer.
• 59:54
  S1: He gargles gravel, pea gravel every morning. Washed. Yeah. Pea gravel. Uh,
• 59:59
  S1: I had no idea Carl was so good at beatbox.
• 1:00:02
  S1: Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
• 1:00:04
  S2: Beatbox. Did you beatbox?
• 1:00:06
  S3: He did that little guitar thing.
• 1:00:07
  S2: Oh, okay. You did kind of a guitar, a guitar riff.
• 1:00:10
  S1: Matthew West, Kenny Rogers, Kenny Rogers. What's his big song?
• 1:00:15
  S3: Kenny Rogers.
• 1:00:17
  S1: Yeah. What's that big song about? Well, you're sleeping.
• 1:00:21
  S3: I don't.
• 1:00:21
  S17: Know.
• 1:00:22
  S2: I don't know.
• 1:00:22
  S1: That's a great song, man. Very pure, very pure song.
• 1:00:27
  S1: What's that song about when you're sleeping? And I looked
• 1:00:30
  S1: at you and you were sleeping over there. It doesn't
• 1:00:34
  S1: go like that at all, is it? What is that?
• 1:00:35
  S3: Fall in love again? I don't know, that's one of
• 1:00:38
  S3: his most famous ones.
• 1:00:40
  S1: Now, what's the oh oh? What is that song by
• 1:00:44
  S1: Kenny Rogers? Somebody's yelling at their picking radio.
• 1:00:47
  S2: I mean, I'm seeing a list of songs, but I
• 1:00:49
  S2: don't know which one of them you're singing.
• 1:00:51
  S3: You gotta know when to hold em.
• 1:00:52
  S1: No, not.
• 1:00:53
  S3: That.
• 1:00:54
  S1: One that's goofier than Cooter Jones. Um, what is that song?
• 1:00:59
  S2: Sing a little bit more.
• 1:01:02
  S1: Um. I'm having a hard time getting the words.
• 1:01:05
  S2: Oh.
• 1:01:07
  S1: Well, you were sleeping over. Oh, come on, somebody help
• 1:01:11
  S1: me out. Here I am, hung out to dry, I
• 1:01:16
  S1: don't know. Come on. It's so beautiful that we actually
• 1:01:19
  S1: need to play a little bit of it. It's. Ali
• 1:01:22
  S1: would love.
• 1:01:23
  S2: It.
• 1:01:23
  S1: She believes in me. She believes in me. Somebody. Thank
• 1:01:27
  S1: you for helping us out. Give us a little bit
• 1:01:29
  S1: of that just a little bit, because we got to roll.
• 1:01:31
  S3: All right. Well, you got to give me a minute.
• 1:01:32
  S2: She okay.
• 1:01:33
  S1: We got this is a great love song.
• 1:01:35
  S2: Uh, Paul McCartney and Carrie Underwood. Steven Curtis Chapman, Matthew West,
• 1:01:41
  S2: Johnny Cash.
• 1:01:42
  S3: Johnny Cash.
• 1:01:43
  S2: Oh, yeah. Let's see some of these names. I'm not
• 1:01:47
  S2: Tom petty.
• 1:01:49
  S1: And the Heartbreakers.
• 1:01:50
  S2: Joe Cocker.
• 1:01:51
  S1: Oh, man.
• 1:01:52
  S2: Is that sitting on the dock of the bay.
• 1:01:54
  S1: Joe? I don't think so. Is it?
• 1:01:57
  S2: We don't know our music, apparently.
• 1:01:58
  S1: Oh, here we go, Snoopy. Oh, yeah. Listen to this.
• 1:02:02
  S18: I stay out late at night and play my songs.
• 1:02:09
  S18: And sometimes all the nights can be so long.
• 1:02:14
  S1: I don't know which wife this was written about, but
• 1:02:17
  S1: I find.
• 1:02:19
  S3: Oh, boy.
• 1:02:20
  S1: I'm sorry about that.
• 1:02:22
  S18: All alone.
• 1:02:25
  S1: Why is it getting into it?
• 1:02:27
  S3: I have no.
• 1:02:28
  S1: Idea. To the chorus. So keep it going.
• 1:02:30
  S18: Crank it up without the lights.
• 1:02:34
  S1: But I stubbed my toe on that cedar chest.
• 1:02:37
  S18: She says, how was your night?
• 1:02:41
  S1: Isn't that precious?
• 1:02:43
  S18: I said to her and say it was all right.
• 1:02:49
  S1: And I crank it up. Crank it up all the way.
• 1:02:54
  S1: Here we go.
• 1:02:55
  S18: And she believed in me. I'll never know just what
• 1:03:02
  S18: she sees in me. That beautiful. I told her someday
• 1:03:09
  S18: if she was my girl. I could change the world
• 1:03:15
  S18: with my little song. I was wrong.
• 1:03:20
  S1: Yeah, man.
• 1:03:21
  S18: But she has friends.
• 1:03:23
  S1: You are listening to Carl and crew.
• 1:03:26
  S3: Just in.
• 1:03:26
  S1: Case. A subsidiary or something of Moody Bible Institute or
• 1:03:29
  S1: whatever we're called. But, uh, man, isn't that a great
• 1:03:32
  S1: little tune.
• 1:03:32
  S3: I love that.
• 1:03:33
  S1: You know, what we did at Family Life weekends to
• 1:03:35
  S1: remember is they would get these classic love songs and
• 1:03:40
  S1: they would play them in the breaks, Sinatras and all
• 1:03:43
  S1: these classic love songs. And it was just absolutely. I'm like,
• 1:03:46
  S1: this is good stuff. Okay. That was the song that
• 1:03:50
  S1: we're going to spin for this 15. That was it
• 1:03:52
  S1: right there. Kenny if she believes in me, man. Okay.
• 1:03:57
  S1: Coming up here in a moment. Can you do this
• 1:04:00
  S1: alley for me?
• 1:04:01
  S2: Oh, you mean, like, without cracking a joke or something?
• 1:04:04
  S1: Well, I didn't I wasn't gonna fill in the blanks there,
• 1:04:07
  S1: but go ahead, Doctor Crawford.
• 1:04:08
  S2: Lawrence, you are gonna enjoy his wisdom, his just simple faith,
• 1:04:14
  S2: his steadiness. Uh, Carl, he's a good friend of yours.
• 1:04:17
  S2: I know I have known him from a greater distance,
• 1:04:20
  S2: but have been really blessed by every time we get
• 1:04:22
  S2: some time with him. So coming up, stay tuned. Doctor
• 1:04:25
  S2: Crawford Lewis joins us.
• 1:04:26
  S5: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the cast and
• 1:04:29
  S5: crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
• 1:04:32
  S1: Here's the deal comes out of Romans eight. We are
• 1:04:34
  S1: more than conquerors through him who loves us. Nothing can
• 1:04:37
  S1: separate us from the love of God famine, nakedness, hardship, sword.
• 1:04:41
  S1: I mean, it's a it's a phenomenal passage of Scripture.
• 1:04:46
  S1: One of the great dangers here is that we begin
• 1:04:50
  S1: to pray for things and ask for that overcoming ness.
• 1:04:58
  S1: When God is wanting to reveal the deeper thing that
• 1:05:03
  S1: needs to be overcome. Let me illustrate it this way
• 1:05:07
  S1: so I can pray every morning when I get up
• 1:05:10
  S1: and get on radio. Oh God, help me overcome my tiredness.
• 1:05:16
  S1: Oh God, help me overcome that. And by God's grace
• 1:05:19
  S1: and goodness, he'll do that. But my contention is if
• 1:05:24
  S1: we listen a little bit closer, we will hear God
• 1:05:28
  S1: saying practical things like, Carl, go to bed earlier. MM. Yeah. Carl,
• 1:05:34
  S1: keep getting your steps in. Carl. Keep doing resistance training.
• 1:05:38
  S1: All these, by the way, are proven things that allow
• 1:05:41
  S1: us to sleep better, like go to bed earlier. You
• 1:05:44
  S1: generally sleep longer, you work out a little bit, you
• 1:05:48
  S1: generally sleep deeper. And I think sometimes we need to
• 1:05:53
  S1: be careful that we're not keeping going back. Appealing for
• 1:05:57
  S1: God's grace to overcome something. When the spirit of the
• 1:06:02
  S1: living God is whispering deeper still to something that needs
• 1:06:07
  S1: to change inside us. Crawford is here with us. You
• 1:06:11
  S1: know where I'm going with that? Crawford makes sense to you,
• 1:06:13
  S1: my brother.
• 1:06:14
  S19: Yes, it does makes perfect sense.
• 1:06:17
  S1: You've been a pastor for a lot of years, by
• 1:06:19
  S1: the way. Crawford, president and founder of Beyond Our Generation.
• 1:06:24
  S1: He is an unbelievable man of God. Dear friend, I
• 1:06:26
  S1: love this guy. As we disciple people, Crawford, I wonder
• 1:06:31
  S1: if we need to not just empathize with people as
• 1:06:36
  S1: God does with us. Empathy is awesome, but I wonder
• 1:06:39
  S1: if the deeper empathy at times is to go a
• 1:06:41
  S1: little bit deeper and say, maybe we have a reoccurring
• 1:06:44
  S1: need here of overcoming that. If we go below the surface,
• 1:06:49
  S1: we can really see God change some things at our
• 1:06:53
  S1: core that we won't maybe as readily hit that hurdle. Again.
• 1:06:58
  S1: Speak to that for a moment. Crawford.
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  S19: Yeah. You know, God's not into image management. He's not,
• 1:07:03
  S19: you know, doesn't want to camouflage, uh, the reality that's
• 1:07:08
  S19: in our hearts and lives. He wants us to be
• 1:07:10
  S19: transparent and real. And so that means that means getting
• 1:07:14
  S19: down to the core and dealing with the stuff that
• 1:07:18
  S19: that can potentially derail us. And so, um, Carl, you're
• 1:07:23
  S19: all over that. I mean, it's the reality of who
• 1:07:26
  S19: we are. Not staying who we are, but overcoming that
• 1:07:30
  S19: that produces sustainability in our walk and relationship with Jesus.
• 1:07:34
  S2: Doctor Crawford is with us right now. How often I
• 1:07:36
  S2: know you are involved often in leadership, in training, in mentoring.
• 1:07:41
  S2: How often do you see this as an issue where
• 1:07:44
  S2: someone's bringing to you something, but you can quickly see
• 1:07:47
  S2: that the thing that they think that they are praying
• 1:07:49
  S2: to try to overcome is not the real issue.
• 1:07:53
  S19: Oh, you know, the way you phrase that question is,
• 1:07:56
  S19: I mean, it happens all the time. Yeah. In fact,
• 1:07:59
  S19: it happens in my own life. Yes. Just like Carl
• 1:08:02
  S19: said earlier, you you know, we're so driven to want
• 1:08:06
  S19: to accomplish the task. Or if there's this people pleasing
• 1:08:10
  S19: in us want to put our best foot forward or,
• 1:08:12
  S19: or this kind of thing, and all that does is
• 1:08:15
  S19: just compound the problem. And I see that constantly in
• 1:08:19
  S19: younger leaders who are so impatient about getting the job done,
• 1:08:23
  S19: and someone who doesn't want you to know that they're
• 1:08:27
  S19: really failing at home, uh, rather than being honest and
• 1:08:30
  S19: truthful and facing that so you can name it and
• 1:08:33
  S19: work on it and get over it. They keep pushing
• 1:08:36
  S19: it down.
• 1:08:37
  S1: I love that. Crawford, give us a story from your life. Uh,
• 1:08:41
  S1: peel back whatever you can. At what level of vulnerability?
• 1:08:45
  S1: What has God helped you overcome?
• 1:08:49
  S19: Well, you know, there's an old line that says, we
• 1:08:51
  S19: don't live in heaven and board down here, meaning that
• 1:08:53
  S19: we're all working on every single day of our lives.
• 1:08:58
  S19: I mean, as you walk in the light, um, you know,
• 1:09:01
  S19: that's the best disinfectant for the stuff that's wrong in
• 1:09:04
  S19: your own heart and life. And, and so, you know,
• 1:09:07
  S19: I mean, I think earlier on in my and I
• 1:09:10
  S19: could go back early on in my ministry, there was
• 1:09:12
  S19: a level of people pleasing that, uh, that made me
• 1:09:17
  S19: do things. It didn't make me do things that that
• 1:09:19
  S19: pushed me toward choosing to do things that that probably
• 1:09:24
  S19: wasn't for the most noble reason. I didn't want people
• 1:09:27
  S19: to think of me as being a failure or that
• 1:09:29
  S19: kind of thing. And, uh, you know, I remember one
• 1:09:33
  S19: time the Lord just pushed me in a corner and
• 1:09:36
  S19: in so many words says, when are you going to
• 1:09:38
  S19: get over this? Wow. If I'm not good enough for you,
• 1:09:42
  S19: then what's good enough? Are you just promoting your success
• 1:09:46
  S19: or are you nurturing a reality that is that that
• 1:09:49
  S19: will help you to overcome this situation? So, you know,
• 1:09:52
  S19: and I so slaying people pleasing early on in my
• 1:09:55
  S19: life in ministry, uh, was, was one. Uh, oh my goodness,
• 1:09:59
  S19: I could, you know, um, and people pleasing is the
• 1:10:03
  S19: fear of man and all these other things. I can
• 1:10:04
  S19: give you a litany of things.
• 1:10:06
  S2: So Doctor Crawford Lawrence, our guest this morning. Uh, give
• 1:10:10
  S2: us a little bit of how your journey with the
• 1:10:12
  S2: Lord began. I know you had trusted Christ as your Savior,
• 1:10:15
  S2: and when you were in high school, give us a
• 1:10:17
  S2: little bit of your testimony. We'd love to hear it.
• 1:10:19
  S19: Well, I came to Jesus Alley when I was 13.5
• 1:10:22
  S19: years old. And my I have an older. I had
• 1:10:25
  S19: an older. She still is my oldest sister. She's in heaven.
• 1:10:28
  S19: But she had a profound impact on me. And it
• 1:10:31
  S19: was a small church there in Plainfield, new Jersey. And
• 1:10:34
  S19: my pastor was vocational but loved young people, uh, poured into, uh, and, uh,
• 1:10:42
  S19: even in those early years, I just had a hunger
• 1:10:45
  S19: for God's word and wanting to see my friends come
• 1:10:48
  S19: to know Jesus. And, and that was nurtured. Uh, those
• 1:10:52
  S19: folks in that little church were prayer warriors. And they
• 1:10:55
  S19: would pray for me. It just brings tears in my
• 1:10:58
  S19: eyes right now as I think about the love and
• 1:11:01
  S19: prayers of those folks that just just launched my life
• 1:11:04
  S19: in ministry. And, and I, of course, I went on to, uh,
• 1:11:08
  S19: Cairn University back then was Philadelphia College of Bible. And,
• 1:11:12
  S19: you know, all in all my life, people saw things
• 1:11:15
  S19: in me that I didn't see in myself. Wow. And
• 1:11:18
  S19: that's the reason why, you know, here we are, some
• 1:11:21
  S19: of the places on third base, and we act as
• 1:11:24
  S19: if we hit a triple.
• 1:11:25
  S1: You know?
• 1:11:28
  S19: And so that's been the short story. That's been the
• 1:11:31
  S19: story of my life. And that's the reason why I'm
• 1:11:33
  S19: doing what I'm doing today.
• 1:11:35
  S1: Yeah. And you're doing it well. Crawford Leyritz, our guest
• 1:11:38
  S1: and I. Crawford here's what I want to go. And I,
• 1:11:42
  S1: I wanted to let you shepherd tens of thousands of
• 1:11:45
  S1: people here this morning. There's this whole issue of overcoming
• 1:11:50
  S1: kind of want to go back to where we began. Mhm.
• 1:11:52
  S1: That oftentimes there's symptoms of a deeper issue. And here's
• 1:11:59
  S1: the conviction I have. We have proposed Bible reading. Great.
• 1:12:03
  S1: Even though Jesus said Bible application is much better because
• 1:12:06
  S1: one's a house built on the rock, the other one's
• 1:12:08
  S1: house built on the sand. We've proposed prayer. Great. But
• 1:12:13
  S1: there's a prayer. Especially David. O God, search me, know me,
• 1:12:17
  S1: try me. See if there be any hurtful way in me.
• 1:12:21
  S1: And lead me in the way everlasting. Here's, here's my
• 1:12:23
  S1: contention when it comes to overcoming. And my heart aches
• 1:12:26
  S1: for people right now that are overcoming myriad of issues
• 1:12:30
  S1: financial challenges, betrayal, relational issues, job loss of trying to
• 1:12:36
  S1: prove themselves to people, which is a horrible hamster wheel.
• 1:12:41
  S1: What is what goes below? Bible reading and prayer that
• 1:12:45
  S1: the Pharisees who had a lot of that did not have,
• 1:12:49
  S1: that we must have to have true freedom in our life. Crawford.
• 1:12:54
  S19: Well, it is profound brokenness and humility, not as a point,
• 1:12:59
  S19: but as a process. Carl. The problem is you can
• 1:13:03
  S19: read the Bible until the cows come home. and you
• 1:13:06
  S19: can you can sit in small groups and all of that.
• 1:13:08
  S19: But if you don't take the mask off, if you
• 1:13:11
  S19: don't embrace the reality, overcoming is not a point. It's
• 1:13:16
  S19: a process. Overcoming is an ongoing reality where Jesus meets
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  S19: us at our point of transparency. And you, you've gotta
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  S19: you've gotta open the book and not read it for
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  S19: a deliverable, or read it to boast and brag about
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  S19: how much you know. You open the Word of God.
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  S19: It is a mirror to our souls, and the Spirit
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  S19: of God is living inside of us. He does not
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  S19: just want us to disclose what's wrong with us. He
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  S19: wants to deliver us from what's wrong with us. But
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  S19: that deliverance cannot take place until I realize that on
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  S19: my best day, I ain't good enough. But he is, paradoxically,
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  S19: my sufficiency.
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  S2: Doctor Crawford, you know, I'm curious how much of the
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  S2: way our church culture is sort of set up kind
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  S2: of encourages mask wearing in subtle ways that maybe we
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  S2: don't even fully realize. You know, even just like the
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  S2: way we, oh, you know, the simple way that we
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  S2: greet each other. Most churches have a moment where they say, hey,
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  S2: get up and say hi to your neighbor, which is,
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  S2: which is great, but alleys.
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  S1: Alleys meddling early this morning, Crawford I.
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  S19: She gets she gets right down to.
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  S1: It. Oh she's meddling.
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  S2: But I mean in those you know, a minute and
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  S2: 30s where you turn and you greet five people and
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  S2: you plaster on a smile and you do the perfunctory.
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  S2: How's it going, brother? Oh. I'm great. Nice to see you.
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  S2: Even a God bless you. Maybe a pat on the shoulder.
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  S2: But how much of the way we've kind of structured
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  S2: things promotes kind of a mask wearing that is to
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  S2: our detriment, and we don't even fully realize it.
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  S19: Well, there's a short answer to that. The answer is
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  S19: yes with an exclamation mark. I mean.
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  S2: And how do we overcome it, I guess?
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  S1: Yeah, I guess that's the question.
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  S19: Well, you know, here's here's attention. And this is the
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  S19: elephant in the room. Discretion is not dishonesty. Right. Right.
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  S19: Of course, the flip side of this is you can't
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  S19: keep telling people your deepest struggles and this kind of
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  S19: thing because frankly, you, you know, you got to ask
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  S19: the question, what are they going to do with that?
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S19: All right. So that's one side of it. But the
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  S19: other side is that you kind of stop projecting a
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  S19: perfection that doesn't belong to you. MM. And so somewhere
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  S19: in the middle is the tension. And I think what
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  S19: we need to do is, is not just celebrate the struggle,
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  S19: but talk about the reality of the struggle. Jesus as
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  S19: as our victory. Yes. And, and we need to create
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  S19: environments in our churches where we talk about reality. We
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  S19: talk about our struggles, but we talk about how Jesus
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  S19: is meeting us there, and that's the way we need
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  S19: to do things. I think, you know, we can project
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  S19: from a platform because we don't. We want people to
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  S19: see that the very perfect side of us and all
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  S19: of that. But everybody knows that's not real. And that's
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  S19: a tad bit disingenuous. So I don't know. It's capturing
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  S19: that center tension is, is, is, I guess what we
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  S19: need to be moving toward.
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  S1: Yeah. And I think Crawford, I want to cheer for you. You've,
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  S1: you've modeled that so well. And I just got to
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  S1: tell you guys, boom crew, I need you to hear
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  S1: something right now. I had the privilege of being around
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  S1: Crawford once a year, going to Saint Pete Beach with
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  S1: a bunch of family life weekend to remember speakers. And
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  S1: we had some time alone or with a smaller group
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  S1: of guys. And there is something powerful about a man
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  S1: that exhibits not posture before man, but a genuine humility
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  S1: before God. And I want to thank you for being
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  S1: such a good model of that. Crawford. I mean that
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  S1: and and it's humility is not this self-loathing, woe pitiful
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  S1: me thing. Um, but it's it's genuine. It's more than
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  S1: anything else, just crying out and reaffirming for brothers and sisters. Wow.
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  S1: I need God today. Every day I need him. And
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  S1: I appreciate to Crawford, because I think a lot of
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  S1: people in the church today feel like the answer for
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  S1: going beyond meet and greet, which can be very surface, is, well,
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  S1: I got to get my stuff out there. But I
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  S1: love what you said because you don't know somebody. You
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  S1: share something with the wrong person. Today. It'll be hanging
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  S1: out of your back tomorrow. So we got to be
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  S1: careful with that one.
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  S19: Yeah.
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  S1: Crawford, I love you. I feel prompted with something here.
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  S1: We don't often do. Would you pray for everyone that's
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  S1: trying to overcome something today as the Spirit of God
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  S1: leads you right now?
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  S19: Yeah, father. The truth of the matter is, Lord, we're
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  S19: all overcoming something. Yes. And God, I just pray that
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  S19: you'll help us not to magnify the struggle, but to
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  S19: exalt the Lord Jesus who meets us in that struggle.
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  S19: And may we quickly get to you. And may we
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  S19: stop trying to run from you and manage it, and
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  S19: open our hearts and our hands and say, Lord, I
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  S19: place this on the altar. Give me what I need
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  S19: moment by moment to trust you and to place this
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  S19: all in your hands. Father, breathe encouragement to to in
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  S19: the hearts and minds of each one of the listeners.
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  S19: If God can raise a dead Jesus, you can handle
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  S19: anything that we're struggling with right now. So Lord Jesus,
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  S19: meet us. We pray, give hope, give confidence, give, give
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  S19: the gift of humility. But more than anything else, help
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  S19: us to know, Lord, that we're already overcomers through our
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  S19: Lord and Savior Jesus. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.