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29 YO MOM OF 3 GOES MISSING AFTER FIGHT WITH HUBBY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Tonight Live to San Antonio, an absolutely stunning young mom
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Speaker 1: of three seemingly walks out of her home and is
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Speaker 1: never seen again. I don't believe it. Good evening, I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Bianca Carrasco was known as a devoted, hard working mother
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Speaker 2: of three living what appeared to be a picture perfect
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Speaker 2: family life, But after a heated argument with her husband,
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Speaker 2: Bianca vanished without a trace.
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Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel, including this beautiful mom's
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Speaker 1: sister as well as those working desperately on her search,
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Speaker 1: straight out to Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave mac. Dave,
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Speaker 1: what happened, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: It was that night around ten twenty two pm when
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Speaker 3: Bianca and her husband got into a bit of an
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Speaker 3: argument and Bianca left the house. She left on her
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Speaker 3: own because just to clear her head whatever. We've all
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Speaker 3: done that. But Bianca goes out on this walk, Nancy,
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Speaker 3: and she doesn't return, so we don't.
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Speaker 1: Wait, wait a minute, Dave Mac, let me understand something
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Speaker 1: you're telling me. This young mom at three leaves her home,
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Speaker 1: walks out the front door around ten thirty at night
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Speaker 1: in the dark to go for a walk leaving her
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Speaker 1: children in the home. Is that what I'm supposed to believe.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. She just needed to get
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Speaker 3: out and clear her head, you know, going out for
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Speaker 3: a walk ten thirty at night. She's got three children,
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Speaker 3: she's a registered nurse.
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Speaker 1: This is a.
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Speaker 3: Woman who is a loving mother, very responsible, doesn't leave
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Speaker 3: her kids alone, just stepping outside at ten thirty at night.
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Speaker 1: Dave mac Okay, put him up, please, you just said
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Speaker 1: this is what happened. We don't know that is what happened,
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Speaker 1: because I'm having a really hard time believing that Bianca
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Speaker 1: would just walk out in the middle of the night
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Speaker 1: when she's got to go to work the next morning.
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Speaker 1: She's a registered nurse there, hours are very long, she
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Speaker 1: has a great reputation at work. She's not going to
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Speaker 1: drag in exhausted dragon or tail to work to be
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Speaker 1: a nurse. Okay, and she's a full time mom and
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Speaker 1: a full time nurse. Find it really hard to believe
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Speaker 1: at ten point thirty at night she's up for an
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Speaker 1: evening stroll. Yeah, I'm not buying that, So don't tell
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Speaker 1: me this is what happened. This is just a report
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Speaker 1: of what happened. Isn't that more accurate? Dave mac This.
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Speaker 3: Is the story we have been told, so I think
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Speaker 3: that's probably the accurate.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, where did Beyonca live?
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Speaker 3: San Antonio, Texas?
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Speaker 1: Nancy.
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Speaker 3: She's living in a neighborhood, single family houses and in
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Speaker 3: a neighborhood in San Antonio, tex This is an area
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Speaker 3: that other people live and are active and moving around.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got neighbors that know what's going on.
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Speaker 3: You see the map and you know where. San Antonio
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Speaker 3: is just regular neighborhood. There's nothing dramatic or special about
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Speaker 3: this particular place.
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Speaker 4: We will not give up until we find the truth.
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Speaker 4: If we work together as a community, we are able
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Speaker 4: to perhaps share Bianca's story far and wide to encourage
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Speaker 4: those to come forward with those with information.
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Speaker 5: We will continue to share her case, her story, talk
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Speaker 5: about her, look for her, do everything we can to
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Speaker 5: find her.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at k e NS five now joining
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Speaker 1: me special guest Abel Pina, former FBI special agent twenty
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Speaker 1: six years, worked in the San Antonio and Houston FBI
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Speaker 1: divisions and he has been investigating this case. He is
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Speaker 1: now a private investigator with Project absentists. Mister Pinya, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. First of all, I want
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Speaker 1: to take this step by step. That's what you have
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Speaker 1: to do when you prepare for trial. You started a
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Speaker 1: you end at z. Tell me about the area where
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Speaker 1: Bianca went missing.
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Speaker 6: So Beanca first went missing? What we let What we
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Speaker 6: know is she went missing on May first of twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 6: The area is a typical San Antonio middle class neighborhood.
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Speaker 6: It's single family homes. There is a small little wooded
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Speaker 6: area just past the residents, but each house is next
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Speaker 6: to each other. There's not it's not like a large
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Speaker 6: area of land. Now there are conflicting accounts about why
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Speaker 6: she left, or who she left with, or what she
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Speaker 6: was doing that's not known now. If these are the
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Speaker 6: there's your story is that the husband has told the police.
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Speaker 6: We don't know that. And whether she actually fell through
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Speaker 6: the plans to leave or whether she left with somebody,
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Speaker 6: we don't know that either. The timeline, based on what
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Speaker 6: we've learned, really just don't align. They don't align because
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Speaker 6: it raises really some serious investigative questions.
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Speaker 1: Two Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter, What about her
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Speaker 1: cell phone? Dave Mac, I also find it hard to
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Speaker 1: believe that this mom of three would go anywhere without
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Speaker 1: her cell phone. I mean, I never am without my
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Speaker 1: cell phone. What if the children try to contact me?
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Speaker 1: What are the school calls? I mean I have to
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Speaker 1: be able to be in touch with them constantly.
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Speaker 3: The one thing we know about that sell phone, Nancy
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Speaker 3: is exactly what you just said. With three children, she
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Speaker 3: was always in contact, constantly available to know what was
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Speaker 3: going on with their children, with their family. But in
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Speaker 3: this particular instance ten twenty two pm, that phone was
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Speaker 3: turned off off. That's what we know about the song.
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Speaker 1: Put him up. Hold on, Hold on, Dave Mac. You
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Speaker 1: can tell when a cell phone when somebody's just not
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Speaker 1: picking up or it's been turned off. So you're sure
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Speaker 1: her phone was turned off?
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Speaker 6: Correct?
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Speaker 3: That is what we've been told. I think her cell
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Speaker 3: phone was turned off at ten twenty two pm.
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Speaker 1: I am not buying into that straight out. Now. Just
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Speaker 1: joining us is someone we've been waiting on to hear
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Speaker 1: from her. This is Beyonca's sister. It's the closest thing
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Speaker 1: we've got to Beanca. Jovanna Bernie is joining us. Mss Bernie,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: I know that this is painful. Yesterday I was asked
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Speaker 1: to give a speech and I had to retell the
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Speaker 1: story of my fiance's murder, and it messed me up
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Speaker 1: for the rest of the night. I only straightened up
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Speaker 1: when I was with the children because I don't want
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Speaker 1: them to see me upset. So let me apologize in
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Speaker 1: advance for asking you to go back through this. But
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Speaker 1: miss Bernie, could you explain? Could you describe when you
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Speaker 1: learned your sister is just vanished, She's just gone. She
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Speaker 1: went out for a walk at ten thirty at night
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Speaker 1: and turned her cell phone off. That's bs.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: First of all, thank you for seeing that and having
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Speaker 8: compassionate because it's not easy to see the story over
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Speaker 8: and over again. I had to do many podcasts just
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Speaker 8: trying to get her story out there, so thank you
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Speaker 8: for that. According from my perspective is Monday. I spoke
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Speaker 8: with her Sunday early on in the day, and then
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Speaker 8: Monday when I tried to contact her, her phone was off,
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Speaker 8: which was not normal. So I tried to call her
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Speaker 8: all day, told my siblings try to get a hold
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Speaker 8: of her, tried to make contact with her husband, and
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Speaker 8: I didn't get a hold of him until Monday afternoon.
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Speaker 8: When I got in contact with him that afternoon, he
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Speaker 8: explained to me that he had traveled to Odessa, Texas,
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Speaker 8: which is five hours from San Antonio, and that my
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Speaker 8: sister left the night before Sunday May first, and they
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Speaker 8: were in an argument. I asked him if he made
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Speaker 8: eye contact with her that she knew he was leaving,
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Speaker 8: so that so that it was clear that she could
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Speaker 8: go back to the house, and he said yes. And
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Speaker 8: of course, as I heard you say, it was the kids.
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Speaker 8: Immediately that upset me. I started asking asking question, where
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Speaker 8: are the kids? Find out they were left alone at
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Speaker 8: home and he doesn't know where my sister is and
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Speaker 8: that she left, So the whole thing was really upsetting
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Speaker 8: from just thinking about the kids. From there, I asked
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Speaker 8: my sisters to get on social media and put something
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Speaker 8: out because her phone is continuously going to voicemail.
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Speaker 7: I call her job.
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Speaker 8: She was an oncologist nurse at the time, and when
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Speaker 8: I called her job, they sounded concerned, said that there
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Speaker 8: was no show, no call from her, and that it
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Speaker 8: was unlike her. Another red flag for me, so I
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Speaker 8: made the decision.
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Speaker 7: Tuesday.
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Speaker 8: I told her husband that if I did not hear
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Speaker 8: from her Tuesday, if I called her work that she
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Speaker 8: was not there and they still hadn't heard from her,
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Speaker 8: that I would be calling the police first. He told
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Speaker 8: me not to, that I needed to leave her alone,
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Speaker 8: and I told him absolutely not. This is not normal
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Speaker 8: for her phone to be off, for no one to
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Speaker 8: be able to be in contact with her. She worked
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Speaker 8: so hard that she would not just not show up
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Speaker 8: at her job or call in.
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Speaker 7: It just wasn't like her.
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Speaker 8: That Tuesday, of course, I call her work, still nothing,
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Speaker 8: call the police department in San Antonio. I live in Houston, Texas,
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Speaker 8: so they transferred me to Houston p D. First made
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Speaker 8: a report with them, and then they transferred me back
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Speaker 8: over to San Antonio. Tuesday night, she was listed as
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Speaker 8: a missing person.
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Speaker 1: It seems to me you went through a lot to
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Speaker 1: get her listed as a missing person. I want to
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Speaker 1: go back through exactly what the husband told you.
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Speaker 7: Can okay, just be a point that okay.
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Speaker 8: When I called, he sounded very calm uh, which was
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Speaker 8: a little odd to me because leading up to Sunday
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Speaker 8: they were arguing a lot and he was in an uproar,
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Speaker 8: just thinking he's going to lose his wife and you know,
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Speaker 8: his family, and so his calmness, his tone was was
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Speaker 8: very odd to me, but I guess I didn't think
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Speaker 8: anything immediately. I asked him. He said, my sister. He
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Speaker 8: said that Bianca left last night. And I said, what
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Speaker 8: do you mean that she left? He said, she just left,
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Speaker 8: And then I started asking questions. She left on foot,
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Speaker 8: she left without her car and he said, yeah, she
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Speaker 8: just left. And I said, you saw her walking? He
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Speaker 8: said yes, And I said, and she saw you leaving
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Speaker 8: in your in your car and he said yes. And
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Speaker 8: I asked him what about her items? Did she take
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Speaker 8: anything with her? And he said no, that he found
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Speaker 8: her purse in her car. And I said, was her
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Speaker 8: id in there? And he told me yes, So that
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Speaker 8: I just I just couldn't believe it. I asked, did
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Speaker 8: she take her I was asking did she take her makeup?
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Speaker 8: My sister was big on her makeup. She would not
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Speaker 8: go anywhere without makeup. Did she take her makeup? Did
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Speaker 8: she take her hair straightener? And he said no.
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Speaker 7: So the whole I just couldn't accept what he was saying.
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Speaker 7: I heard what he was.
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Speaker 8: Saying, and then when this was another thing that he
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Speaker 8: mentioned he said, she probably left with one of those guys,
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Speaker 8: and I was just, what do you mean, what guys?
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Speaker 8: What guys are you talking about? And then I'm upset
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Speaker 8: because I'm thinking, well, if she left with the guy,
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Speaker 8: you don't know this guy. I don't know this guy,
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Speaker 8: and how do you know? And he said, well, I don't,
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Speaker 8: but she probably did, so that that's the just of
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Speaker 8: what he told me.
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Speaker 1: So what again did he say regarding her purse? And id.
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Speaker 7: He told me that it was in her car.
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Speaker 1: She chose to go out on foot at ten thirty
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Speaker 1: at night.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure about the timeline. He just told me
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Speaker 8: it was at night.
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Speaker 1: And he dissuaded you from calling police?
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Speaker 7: He attempted, yes, what did.
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Speaker 1: He say exactly about calling police?
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Speaker 8: He told me that I needed to leave her alone,
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Speaker 8: to just let her be, and that she'd probably come back.
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Speaker 8: And I just I couldn't take that answer or response.
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Speaker 1: I see so many problems with the timeline. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get into their relationship in just one moment and
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Speaker 1: use plenty to explore there. But I don't like these
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Speaker 1: theories of women Dave mac leaving in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the night on foot.
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Speaker 3: It makes no sense. When you have a car and
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Speaker 3: you have all of your pertinent items inside the car.
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Speaker 3: But Nancy, there's another twig to throw on this. The
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Speaker 3: youngest daughter turning five years old in the days after
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Speaker 3: she disappeared. So do you really think Bianca, this loving
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Speaker 3: mother of three beautiful children, would leave on foot before
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Speaker 3: her daughter's fifth birthday, the baby of the family. Really,
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Speaker 3: that's what you have to buy into to believe this.
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Speaker 3: So I'm not buying it either, Nancy, Why would she
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Speaker 3: be walking down the road and why would we believe
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Speaker 3: that she would leave her three children at home and
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Speaker 3: leave on foot? It makes no sense.
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Speaker 1: Abel Pina, who has been out searching and investigating with
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Speaker 1: Project absentis Abel tell me about the searches for Bianca.
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Speaker 6: So far, We've done some minimal searches in the area,
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Speaker 6: in the neighborhood. We also took a trip up to
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Speaker 6: Odessa just to check up check out some sites. Really,
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Speaker 6: what we've done is looked at the case itself and
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Speaker 6: looked at the conflicting accounts of what happened to Bianca
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Speaker 6: that night. One virgin says she was picked up and
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Speaker 6: another says she just walked off entirely, So we're looking
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Speaker 6: at that and tryie determined base on those accounts possibly
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Speaker 6: what could have happened. There were questions about, you know,
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Speaker 6: if she allegedly left with somebody. We've spoken to that person,
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Speaker 6: that other person that she was talking to, and we've
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Speaker 6: cleared him. We've taken a trip to Odessa.
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Speaker 1: There was a.
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Speaker 6: Suggesting that she left Odessa, but there was no clear
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Speaker 6: reason or confirmation that she even had ties up there
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Speaker 6: at that time. Third, and this is I think really
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Speaker 6: really critical again that phone being left behind. That tells
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Speaker 6: me that you know, she there was nothing planned. It
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Speaker 6: was just inconsistent with somebody that had voluntarily left. And finally,
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Speaker 6: if she leaves her child behind, her children behind, including
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Speaker 6: the youngest child, a young child, and that's really just
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Speaker 6: not behavior that aligns with a planned disappearance. And so
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Speaker 6: when you put all that together, you know, we searched
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Speaker 6: the area. There's again there's a wooded area near the house.
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Speaker 6: If there was if she was extracted somehow by somebody
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Speaker 6: or taken somewhere. Again, we did take a trip to Odessa.
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Speaker 6: We drove around, we went to different various addresses just
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Speaker 6: to kind of get a lay of the land up there,
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Speaker 6: but pretty much you know when you.
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Speaker 1: What is in Odessa, what leads you to Odessa.
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Speaker 6: What we've learned is that Joe Daniel Carrasco that evening
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Speaker 6: did drive up to Odessa with the child, the youngest child.
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Speaker 6: He left the other two behind. But he did drive
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Speaker 6: up to Odessa, Texas that evening. He must have left
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Speaker 6: probably at about ten thirty that night. There is a
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Speaker 6: claim that he makes that I understand that as he
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Speaker 6: was driving away he saw he saw Bianca Carrasco walking.
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Speaker 6: That's that's what he says. Again, that's a completing statement.
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Speaker 6: But there what we learned is that he did drive
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Speaker 6: up to Odessa, Texas that evening. The claim was that
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Speaker 6: he went up there for work, but our understanding is
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Speaker 6: that he was no longer working up there. He does
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Speaker 6: have family there, so he could have been going up
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Speaker 6: there to visit with family. We just don't know.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now as a special guest, a colleague, and
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Speaker 1: who I consider to be a longtime friend, it is
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller. He is the founder of Texas Equasearch. He
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Speaker 1: has devoted his life to finding missing people. After the
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Speaker 1: disappearance and the death of his beloved daughter, Tim Miller
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Speaker 1: founding and running equasearch, and he and his team have
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Speaker 1: participated in multiple searches for Beyonca. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at Texas equisearch dot org. Tim Miller, I can't thank
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Speaker 1: you enough for joining us tonight. You know so much
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Speaker 1: about this case. Why instead of me asking you questions,
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Speaker 1: you just start at the beginning, Tim Miller. I typically
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Speaker 1: would have said, what did you do to find Bianca?
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Speaker 1: But you start at the beginning, Tim, from your first
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Speaker 1: involvement in the search for this gorgeous Texas mom.
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Speaker 9: Well, we actually got to call on May fifth, in
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Speaker 9: twenty sixteen, one twenty two in the afternoon. Four of
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Speaker 9: our people went over there and met with the detective.
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Speaker 9: We've met with family members, and you know, we got
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Speaker 9: a lot of information. Of course, there was a lot
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Speaker 9: of concerns about, you know, her and her husband. That
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Speaker 9: relationship just didn't seem to be as stable as anybody
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Speaker 9: would have wished it would be. And of course there
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Speaker 9: was questions about cell phone, there was questions about where
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Speaker 9: he went and everything. And I think that we've got
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Speaker 9: some information. How much of it is true or not, Nancy,
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Speaker 9: you know, when a lot of it comes from the husband,
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Speaker 9: that was certainly a person of interest and stuff. You know,
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Speaker 9: how much of true and how much is not. Without
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Speaker 9: a cell phone, you know, they couldn't do any tracking
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Speaker 9: and and so you know, there's certainly a lot of questions,
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Speaker 9: and I think when we first got into it, there
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Speaker 9: was a lot of questions and there wasn't a lot
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Speaker 9: of cooperation. I actually went to their house. I spent
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Speaker 9: a little bit of time with.
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Speaker 7: The husband, and.
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Speaker 9: Again, things just didn't add up back then. And we're
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Speaker 9: no closer now than we were the day we started.
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller, you stated that you went to the family home,
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Speaker 1: and your words, quite there was not a lot of cooperation.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean the stories were all over the place,
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Speaker 9: and you know, he would never really look us in
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Speaker 9: the eyes when he was talking, and you know, we
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Speaker 9: asked him about this supposedly trip that he made to
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Speaker 9: Odessa and everything, and we just didn't get a whole
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Speaker 9: lot out of him. Now, we did work with the detectives,
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Speaker 9: and I remember that Detective Traveno was his name, and
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Speaker 9: I think that he was just as frustrated as as
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Speaker 9: we were. Uh, you know, I've got a lot of
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Speaker 9: stuff on the report, but none of that makes any sense.
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Speaker 9: I mean everything in the report that we ran areas
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Speaker 9: that we searched, and we searched a lot of areas.
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Speaker 9: We got information several areas between there and Odessa with
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Speaker 9: possible sightings and vehicle and stuff that we actually went
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Speaker 9: and searched, and well actually had a helicopter up a
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Speaker 9: couple of times on some areas that we thought were
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Speaker 9: high priority from you know, from information it came in.
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Speaker 9: But we again, we put a lot of effort into it,
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Speaker 9: and again, you know, ten years later, we're no closer.
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Speaker 1: Okay. You stated that when you went her home, you
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Speaker 1: got a lot of conflicting stories. Your words, The stories
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Speaker 1: were quote all over the place. What were the stories?
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a timeline here. I do know
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Speaker 1: that on May one, it has reported her husband took
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Speaker 1: her cell phone and drained all the money out of
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Speaker 1: her account.
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Speaker 9: I did not have that one in my report, now
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Speaker 9: that you mentioned it, I remember sharing that, and of
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Speaker 9: course I have said the cell phone was turned off
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Speaker 9: and lost, and to my knowledge, that cell phone has
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Speaker 9: never been found to this day.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, Tim Miller, let me go back
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Speaker 1: to Beyanca's sister joining us tonight Gavanna Bernie again, Givanna,
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Speaker 1: you are speaking out on behalf of your sister and
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Speaker 1: her children that she's left behind, although I believe not will.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of claims, just claims he has
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Speaker 1: not been convicted of draining your sister's bank account and
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Speaker 1: taking her cell phone. It would be a cold day
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Speaker 1: in h doublel that a man would take my cell
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Speaker 1: phone away from me. That's my only way to reach
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Speaker 1: my twins, for Pete's sake. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: those reports?
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Speaker 8: So? I know for a fact that the days it
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Speaker 8: was the days before she actually went missing, it was
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Speaker 8: either the Wednesday or Thursday. But everything they got into
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Speaker 8: a huge fight and things just started erupting, and he
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Speaker 8: did take her phone, and she did go get a
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Speaker 8: phone in her name, and she was really upset when
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Speaker 8: she talked to me because he did take all the
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Speaker 8: money out of their bank account.
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Speaker 1: Mmm mmmmm mmmm. What were they arguing about? Is it
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Speaker 1: true she gave back her wedding band and wanted a divorce.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure what exactly happened with the ring. I
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Speaker 8: think those stories came from him. I do know that
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Speaker 8: they were arguing about.
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Speaker 10: She was.
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Speaker 8: It's hard to talk about but because it's personal business.
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Speaker 8: But there they were already living as if they were divorced.
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Speaker 8: They weren't really on speaking terms. And then he found
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Speaker 8: out that she was talking to, you know, another guy,
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Speaker 8: and that really really just set him off the edge.
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Speaker 8: She he wanted the kids, he didn't want her to
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Speaker 8: have the kids, and there was there's just a lot
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Speaker 8: of that kind of fighting going on.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, let me understand something. Javonna Burney.
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Speaker 1: So he wants to take the children away from her
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Speaker 1: because she finally finds a man that will treat her better,
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Speaker 1: and that's somehow her fault. Yeah, that is in the
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Speaker 1: ground to take the children away.
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Speaker 7: No, there was a lot leading up to that.
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Speaker 1: Also.
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Speaker 7: It was just so frustrating that she wasn't a good one.
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Speaker 1: What was leading up to it? You said a lot
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Speaker 1: was leading up to it. For Pete's say, she's a
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Speaker 1: full time nurse, she works her rear end off, she
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Speaker 1: raises children. What led up to it?
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Speaker 8: I think because she was already separating herself from him.
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Speaker 8: He just wanted to paint this picture that she was
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Speaker 8: a bad mom, that she didn't care about the kids,
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Speaker 8: and that he put her through school things like that
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Speaker 8: all these all these years, and I just think she started.
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Speaker 7: Did he put her to school? She did the score?
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Speaker 7: He didn't do the score work, she did it.
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Speaker 1: Did she put herself through school? Did she pay for it?
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Speaker 7: I'm not sure who paid for it? But she did
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Speaker 7: the work.
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Speaker 1: She certainly did. And amongst your peers, she was very
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Speaker 1: highly valued as a nurse. Was she an on collegeest nurse?
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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am, she was. She was a great nurse.
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Speaker 1: That's not easy. That is not an easy job. You know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people want to sign up to rock
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Speaker 1: babies and be with babies. Who signs up to be
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Speaker 1: an on collegiest nurse? That is hard. You're dealing with
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Speaker 1: people's heartbreak every day and seeing them through some of
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Speaker 1: the worst times of their lives. But your sister was
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Speaker 1: doing that, you know. Abele Pinion joining us in addition
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Speaker 1: to special guest Tim Miller from Equasearch tonight, Abel, thank
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Speaker 1: you again for being with us, because someone needs to
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Speaker 1: speak out for beyond Oa. This case, in my mind,
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Speaker 1: is going cold unless we light a fire under it.
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Speaker 1: What do you make Reports her phone was lost, that
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Speaker 1: she'd left with it, that it quote went dead, Reports
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Speaker 1: her husband had taken her phone from her, that he
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Speaker 1: drained her bank account. You hear Tim Miller, he spoke
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Speaker 1: to everybody. He said that all the accounts of what
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Speaker 1: really happened that night are all over the place. They
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Speaker 1: don't match. Isn't it true? You have called on her
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Speaker 1: husband to take a polygraph? Any luck with that.
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Speaker 6: I've called on him, I've posted on social media. I've
27:37
Speaker 6: challenged him. I said, let's clear your name. Take that
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Speaker 6: step forward. Let's take a polygraph. It's the costs. We'll
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Speaker 6: cover the cost free of charge. We can select a
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Speaker 6: certified polygraph examiner of your choice. I've got a couple
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Speaker 6: that I use. But if he's got somebody that he
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Speaker 6: wants to use, we can certainly talk to his polygrifer
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Speaker 6: and get them on board. But we've offered that. I've
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Speaker 6: yet to hear back from him. And again, I want
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Speaker 6: to say this that you know, he is a person
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Speaker 6: that we'd like to talk to. And I think, just
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Speaker 6: based on his behavior, the timeline whiche we believe is
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Speaker 6: severely fractured, with his inconsistent statements, he deserves more scrutiny.
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Speaker 6: Here in a polygraph, while it's not admissible in court,
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Speaker 6: it's a way to have him step forward just to
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Speaker 6: clear his name.
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Speaker 1: Well, another thing is very very hard able opinion, as
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Speaker 1: you well know Able joining us from Project Absentists, it's
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Speaker 1: very hard to be a polygraph. And if the polygraph
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Speaker 1: is administered by a respectable and qualified polygrapher such as
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Speaker 1: someone from the crime lab or someone that had been
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Speaker 1: at the crime lab, and I would know the questions
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Speaker 1: that were asked. You can't ask questions that are irrelevant
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Speaker 1: to the case. I would pay attention to a polygraph.
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Speaker 1: Of course, they're only admissible in court in criminal cases
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Speaker 1: if they are stipulated to ahead of time without knowing
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Speaker 1: the outcome, both parties say yes, we'll let it come
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Speaker 1: in court. They are allowed in civil cases. Remember oj
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Speaker 1: Simpson made what a negative forty three on his polygraph
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Speaker 1: that said why won't he take a polygraph? Why is
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Speaker 1: he afraid to take a polygraph? I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to Tim Miller, joining us from Texas Equasearch. You
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Speaker 1: performed multiple searches for Bianca. Where did you search?
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Speaker 9: Well, we started out in that area because he's claimed
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Speaker 9: that she took off in one for a walk. They
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Speaker 9: got into an argument and I think one of the
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Speaker 9: things that set them off, is I believe Back then
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Speaker 9: on her Facebook page she indicated that they were divorced.
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Speaker 9: What she said, No, they weren't divorced. So that's one
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Speaker 9: thing has set him off. But of course there were
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Speaker 9: other issues that.
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Speaker 6: Were going on.
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Speaker 9: And again, you know, he legislated told her not to
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Speaker 9: leave because he was leaving and he was going to work, and.
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Speaker 1: At night, at ten thirty at night.
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Speaker 9: And then supposedly when he pulled out, he claims that
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Speaker 9: he's seen her walking and will you know.
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Speaker 1: What, Okay, Tim, hold on, I don't understand something. There
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Speaker 1: are still minor children at home. And his story is
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Speaker 1: that she, his wife, leaves on foot and then he leaves,
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Speaker 1: leaving children behind alone in the home. Is that actually
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Speaker 1: his story? If that is his story, he's opening himself
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Speaker 1: up to child neglect charges.
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Speaker 9: Well in his words, whereas he was driving off the
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Speaker 9: down the street, Daniel claims that he drove past one
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Speaker 9: for walking down the street.
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Speaker 1: That is his words, Okay, Jiovanna Bernie. Is that correct
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Speaker 1: his story? And again he has not been named a
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Speaker 1: suspect or a POI in Beyonca's disappearance. So his story
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Speaker 1: is that she left after they had an argument on
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Speaker 1: foot at ten thirty at night, even though she has
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Speaker 1: a car, and then he left the home, leaving the
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Speaker 1: minor children alone.
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Speaker 7: Yes, that is that is the same story I got.
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Speaker 1: What else can you tell us tonight, Jovanna Bernie, Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are trying to reignite the search for a gorgeous
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Speaker 1: young Texas mom. Is she alive or has she been killed?
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Speaker 1: What about her children? They don't have any answers. If
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Speaker 1: you know or think you know anything, the tip line
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Speaker 1: is two to one, zero to zero seven seven six
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Speaker 1: six zero. So, Giovanni, what else can you tell us?
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Speaker 7: It's such a long story.
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Speaker 8: I know you mentioned child neglect charges that actually prompted
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Speaker 8: CPS to get involved with everything that was going on.
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Speaker 7: Sadly, at this.
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Speaker 8: Point, I'm trying to be more careful with my words.
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Speaker 8: Her children they believe their mom walked away from them.
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Speaker 8: That is what they've been led to believe all these years.
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Speaker 8: And it's just heartbreaking. And no, her husband has not
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Speaker 8: been named to suspect. But I still don't understand why
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Speaker 8: he's not cooperating, Why he hasn't cooperated all these years,
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Speaker 8: Why he won't take the polygraph test? Why tell your
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Speaker 8: kids that their mother left. I mean, even if she did,
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Speaker 8: why would you tell them that when they were so
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Speaker 8: young when this happened. Why why did you tell me
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Speaker 8: that you didn't know what she was wearing, but then
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Speaker 8: you told the police this full description of what she
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Speaker 8: was wearing. There's just a lot of questions that need
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Speaker 8: to be answered.
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Speaker 1: Javanna, Bernie, this is Beyonca's sister, isn't it. Trey. One
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Speaker 1: of her daughters turned five one week after she went missing.
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Speaker 1: Do you really think she would have missed that birthday?
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Speaker 8: No, and it was Mother's Day and she was very
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Speaker 8: close to the young one. They were making snapchats that day,
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Speaker 8: you know, together, and she wouldn't have done that. She
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Speaker 8: wouldn't have left the kids a home at home alone.
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Speaker 8: I know that because when she was going through nursing school,
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Speaker 8: we live two hours away, and she would bring them
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Speaker 8: to me to study for a test or things like that.
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Speaker 8: So I just don't believe she would just leave them.
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Speaker 1: So, Jravanna, you're telling me that her children have been
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Speaker 1: raised to believe their mother just left them. Yes, I
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Speaker 1: don't believe that. I don't believe she would ever have
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Speaker 1: left her children willingly. No, No, she never even missed work,
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Speaker 1: much less leave her children.
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Speaker 7: No.
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Speaker 8: And I think the picture he was trying to paint
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Speaker 8: of her, that she was a neglectful mother, that she
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Speaker 8: didn't want the kids, those kinds of things. Okay, So
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Speaker 8: say those things were true, if you still take her
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Speaker 8: character with her life at work, she would not have
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Speaker 8: not called, She wouldn't have not told her coworkers anything.
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Speaker 7: Either way, it does not add up.
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Speaker 1: Have you tried, I know, vince her children otherwise.
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Speaker 6: I have.
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Speaker 7: I want to be careful with this.
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Speaker 8: In the opportunities that I have been able to speak
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Speaker 8: to her oldest, which has been maybe two.
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Speaker 7: Times, I've encouraged her.
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Speaker 8: To seek answers to go to the San Antonio Police
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Speaker 8: Department to ask for those files herself, so that she
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Speaker 8: is not overwhelmed with information when she gets online and
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Speaker 8: that she just starts her own searching.
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Stories as San Antonio PD just stopped
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Speaker 1: working the.
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Speaker 3: Case, Nancy, it seems as those that they've just let
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Speaker 3: it go cold. There's no follow up on anything, no
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Speaker 3: communication really happening. It appears that they have allowed a
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Speaker 3: number of possible interviews that could be done to find
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Speaker 3: out what really happened that night and just let it
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Speaker 3: go away. I cannot explain why they don't follow up
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Speaker 3: and get Daniel somehow interviewed and under on a polygraph
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Speaker 3: or something, Nancy. But no, they're just sitting there with nothing.
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Speaker 1: You said that there may be other leads, Abel Pinna.
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Speaker 1: Are there other leads that are not being investigated?
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Speaker 6: I think in every case like this, this is a
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Speaker 6: cold case, there are definitely leads out there. They can
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Speaker 6: generate leads. They can go out there and start interviewing neighbors,
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Speaker 6: they can talk to other people that were friends or
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Speaker 6: associates of both Bianca and Joe Dana Carrasco. I've done that.
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Speaker 6: I've gotten a good picture of what was going on
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Speaker 6: within that family. Again, there are a number of things
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Speaker 6: that still can be done. When I was with the FBI,
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Speaker 6: part of what we did was we went out there,
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Speaker 6: We consistently ascertained the public, We talked to people, We
36:56
Speaker 6: generated people that can provide it for me to us,
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Speaker 6: and that was part of what our job was, is
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Speaker 6: to generate intelligence and also generate potential leads that could
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Speaker 6: lead to finding out what happened to Bianca.
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EC Research have San
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Speaker 1: Antonio PD just quit working the case.
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Speaker 9: I think that they quit work in the case until
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Speaker 9: they get some more positive leads. Unfortunately, it's wonderful world
37:26
Speaker 9: that we live in with defunding law enforcement. It's another cases.
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Speaker 9: They are spread so thin, they got so many cases,
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Speaker 9: and unfortunately they don't have the people in the funding
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Speaker 9: to go ahead and work these cases like cases like
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Speaker 9: they need to be worked. And I think we can
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Speaker 9: thank everybody for defunding our law enforcement right there, and
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Speaker 9: we go through this with many, many cases, many cases. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 9: that's the world we live in today.
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Speaker 1: Javonna Burney agree or disagree.
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Speaker 8: I disagree with the way that the entire case was
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Speaker 8: being handled. I have full respect for any authority, for
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Speaker 8: our police officers, firefighters, our military. I am so grateful
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Speaker 8: for those willing to put their life on the line
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Speaker 8: for Texas, for our country.
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Speaker 7: Very thankful.
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Speaker 8: But I did not say much in the few years
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Speaker 8: that after she went missing about this. But just trying
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Speaker 8: to get her to be listed as a missing person
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Speaker 8: was a problem because I was told that she was
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Speaker 8: doing high risk activity, which I guess having an affair
38:48
Speaker 8: is high risk, and that I needed to be patient
38:54
Speaker 8: for them to get her listed as a missing person. Also,
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Speaker 8: throughout these years, I have had to call over and
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Speaker 8: over again asking why the Texas Rangers have not been involved.
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Speaker 8: If they know that she's not in San Antonio and
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Speaker 8: there's a five hour drive between San Antonio and Odessa,
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Speaker 8: why have we not gotten help to.
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Speaker 7: Look in those areas.
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Speaker 8: Yes, I understand that there's other missing persons. I understand
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Speaker 8: that the defunding, I understand all of that. But I
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Speaker 8: think it's important that they take this case seriously so
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Speaker 8: it doesn't happen again. They need to understand what was
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Speaker 8: done wrong.
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Speaker 7: Here.
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Speaker 1: Two special guests joining us in addition to Beyonca's sister
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Speaker 1: speaking out tonight, Jovanna Bernie Nina Brooks's joining us from
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Speaker 1: San Antonio. Nina is the president of Search and Support
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Speaker 1: San Antonio, and she has been leading searches and searching
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Speaker 1: herself for Bianca. Miss Brooks, you have been supporting the
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Speaker 1: family throughout the searches for Bianca. What have you guys
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Speaker 1: at Search and Support San Antonio been doing.
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Speaker 10: Me handed out flyers in Bianca's neighborhood. We were talking
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Speaker 10: to neighbors, just handing out flyers, raising of Honors that
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Speaker 10: Bianca is still missing.
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Speaker 1: Iible opinion on what's left that we can possibly do
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Speaker 1: to help find Bianca.
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Speaker 6: Well, what we're doing is we're looking at all the facts,
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Speaker 6: looking at the behavior associated with what happened, and again
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Speaker 6: it's just very inconsistent. In any missing persons case, the
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Speaker 6: timeline is extremely extremely important because it tells you number
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Speaker 6: one opportunity, It tells you movement and also intent. And
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Speaker 6: right now, the timeline in Bianca's case is just not
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Speaker 6: very clean at all. And as I mentioned, it's fractured.
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Speaker 6: And when timelines are fractured like that, the investigator should
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Speaker 6: look at the people really closest to the timeline, and
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Speaker 6: in this case, it's going to be Joe Dana Carrasco. Again,
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Speaker 6: I'm not making any claim or accusation. All I'm saying
41:12
Speaker 6: is that he was a last known person that saw
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Speaker 6: her alive. He was a last known person connected to her.
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Speaker 6: And if I could go back, we did speak to
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Speaker 6: an individual whom Bianca was in contact with, and this
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Speaker 6: individual stated this, that he was in contact with her
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Speaker 6: up until May one to twenty sixteen, and his regrets
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Speaker 6: her that he told me this personally, that he wished
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Speaker 6: that he had been able to do something to protect
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Speaker 6: her because he knew that her life was in danger.
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller, what can we do now? If anything, there's
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Speaker 1: got to be something we can do to reignite the search.
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Speaker 9: Many many cases, new information comes out and stuff, and
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Speaker 9: we've had some success here literally in the last couple
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Speaker 9: of years. You know, I don't know if Daniel's going
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Speaker 9: to say anything, you know. And again another one question
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Speaker 9: was you know, where was her identification and her purse
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Speaker 9: and everything? Was that ever found or not found? One
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Speaker 9: story was she took that, Another story was that she
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Speaker 9: left it. And again these.
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Speaker 7: Stories were all over.
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Speaker 9: Do we know whether that person or idea was ever located?
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Speaker 1: Do you know the answer to that? Able?
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Speaker 6: Believe what I've heard, and this is unconfirmed. What I've
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Speaker 6: heard is that her purse was left in her.
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Speaker 1: Vehicle, so she went She went on foot without her purse,
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Speaker 1: with her cell phone dead. Is that the story?
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Speaker 6: Well, the story is she left without without her cell phone,
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Speaker 6: that's the story, and her purse apparently was also left behind.
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Speaker 6: So she left on foot at about ten thirty at night,
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Speaker 6: again last seen by Joe Daniel Carrosco as he drove
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Speaker 6: past her.
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Speaker 1: What is your message tonight, Javanna.
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Speaker 8: I don't know what anyone can do except pray for
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Speaker 8: my sister and her children. I would like San Antonio
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Speaker 8: Police Department to figure out more ways to talk with
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Speaker 8: her husband. It just doesn't seem right not to have
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Speaker 8: to answer these questions.
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Speaker 7: And just go on with your life. And that she's missing.
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Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me that they would at least
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Speaker 1: at least investigate child neglect because by his own admission,
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Speaker 1: he leaves that night and least two of the children
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Speaker 1: alone at home, leaving them behind according to him on
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Speaker 1: his way to Odessa. That be a great place to start.
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Speaker 1: No one has been named a suspect. No one has
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Speaker 1: been named a person of interest. If you know or
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Speaker 1: think you know anything about the disappearance of this mom Bianca,
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Speaker 1: please dial two one zero two zero seven seven six
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Speaker 1: six zero, repeat two to one zero two zero seven
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Speaker 1: seven six six zero. We remember an American hero officer,
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Speaker 1: Brian Huff, Detroit PD, shot in the light of duty
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Speaker 1: after twelve years, leaving behind his wife, Melissa, and their
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Speaker 1: son Blair. American hero Officer Brian Huff. Thank you to
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Speaker 1: our guest for being with us tonight, but especially to
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Speaker 1: you Nancy Gray. Signing off for tonight, but I'll see
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Speaker 1: you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,