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Chris Gorman & Esme Russell Of Big Gay Radio Show Calls Into Hoppe Hour With Ryan Hoppe · Hoppe Radio (Hoppe Hour) With Ryan Hoppe

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Hopefully they pick up because a lot of times
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on radio shows, well, on my show, they don't
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pick up, but the other ones, there's actors.
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But we're going to have Esme Russell, 50 -year
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drag queen, and Chris Gorman from WMNF and the
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Big A radio show on. let's get this going what's
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up guys this is Hoppy Hour I am your host Ryan
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Hoppy and on the phone line very excited we have
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Esme Russell 50 year drag queen performer and
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great award winning radio host and also The host
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of the Big Gay Radio Show is Chris Gorman, and
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they are both on Hoppy Hour with Ryan Hoppy.
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This is where the Big Gay Radio Show mixes with
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Hoppy Hour. And we're here to defend trans rights
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and everything LGBTQ+. What's up, guys? Hello.
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It's great to be here. So, describe to me, so
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I talked about it last week, I saw the news headline,
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but what are they trying to do with drag shows
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right now? Because I'm the guy... I have a lesbian
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aunt, and also I always attract bisexual girls
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for some reason. So I'm always around the gay
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community, and I've always been an ally. And
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I'm getting to a point where I'm sick and tired
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of people discriminating against it. So do you
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know what's going on with that? So Esme, as a
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drag performer, I think she would be able to
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explain a little bit more. But as far as I understand,
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it's not really that big of a... change apart
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from that these individuals are not going to
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be able to perform in front of children. Obviously,
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it's not an outright blanket drag ban, right,
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Esme? It's not a drag ban, per se, though they're
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kind of making it. The law is written so oddly
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that you don't really know how they're going
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to enforce it. But we know that they don't want
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entertainers such as myself. to do anything sexually
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explicit or sexy in front of children. And listen,
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we don't want to anyway. Well, most of them weren't
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even doing it either. A lot of the times, most
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drag performances, especially when they came
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in front of children, were not risque. And Esme
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actually performed at Hamburger Mary's for years.
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Oh, my goodness. She performed for children.
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That's where I think I've seen you. Because 2016,
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after the Ybor Night Parade, I was with 1 -2
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-5 The Bond. And that was the best burger I ever
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had. It was a great time. Yeah. So I worked for
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Hamburger Mary's for nine years. Nice. So, yeah,
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it was great. I loved it. We had very strict
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rules at Hamburger Mary's. You know, I was the...
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show director and the hostess for the brunch
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show. I did work in the evening shows as well,
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but the brunch show, we had a lot of children
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that would come to see the shows with their families.
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Children never come alone. They always come with
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their parents. This idea that children are coming
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into Hamburger Mary's or any other clubs. By
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the way, you can't come into a regular club with
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children because there's alcohol. So if you're
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a drag queen that works in a bar, this is not
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going to affect you. This is just for showgirls
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that work in environments that have brunches
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or daytime venues where children do come. So
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now they're policing parents. They're making
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a decision for parents because if a child is
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there watching the show, that was a parent's
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decision. The child didn't decide to go see the
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drag show. It was some mom and dad or some mom
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or some dad alone that said, you know what? Let's
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go see a drag show today. But our rules were
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very strict. We couldn't do any profanity on
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the microphone. We couldn't do any cleavage or
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breast showing of any type. We couldn't do any
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butt shots, you know, so no, you know, nothing,
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nothing that was, couldn't touch my private parts.
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Like I couldn't accidentally grab my boobs and
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shake them. I couldn't do that. I had to be very,
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very specifically careful because we were targeting
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a, what is a general, a G audience, right? G
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audience. So these laws are just there. I don't
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like to use the word transphobic. I try to say
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this all the time. These people, you know, the
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word phobic means to be afraid. It comes from
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phobos, the Greek word, to be terrorized. They're
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not terrorized by drag queens. They're not homophobic
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either. They're not terrorized by gay people.
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They're just bad people. Do you think there's
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any chance that a lot of the... And I'm not even
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trying to get political, but do you feel like
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a lot of times the people that are so against
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gay rights and so against trans rights, I think
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not 100 % of the time, but I think a lot of times
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they're probably either by or in the closet.
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And I've always kind of felt like they might
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have a little bit of jealousy that people that
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are out and living their gay life are happy.
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Do you like that idea at all? Well, just look
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over at Lindsey Graham. The way that he went
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his entire life attacking gay people, but he
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was gayer than a bag of penises he hid in the
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closet. He did. He lived. No, he lived in the
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closet. He said he did. I've just never heard
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that. That's amazing. You can be gayer than a
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bag of peanuts. And a thing, too. Yeah. Yeah,
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it's nothing gayer than a bag of penises. Peanuts,
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penises. Well, peanuts and penises, that's not
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a good word together. If your penis is a peanut,
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you're in trouble. I won't go there, but I'm
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just saying. But yeah, so yeah, there's a direct,
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I believe there is a direct correlation. between
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the word homophobia and homosexuality. What is
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it? I think they're brothers. I think they are.
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I think they are brothers. And I think when you
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realize, because I've met many straight men throughout
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my life who are unaffected by gay people being
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together. It's like, big deal, they're gay, so
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what? As long as it doesn't bother me, I'm good.
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As long as they don't approach me, I'm good.
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You know what I'm saying? So I get it. So this,
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listen, there's no, is this a PG show? Yeah,
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you can honestly, Esme, say whatever the fuck
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you want. Go ahead. Okay, so here's what I was
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going to say. They're not homophobic and they're
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not transphobic. They're just assholes. No, I'm
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being honest. I know, I know. I don't want any
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drag queens in the bathroom with my wife. Listen,
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I've been in the bathroom, in the ladies' room
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with your wife since I was 14 years old. I'm
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65 years old now. Okay, do you know how many
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women I've seen in a restroom before in my life?
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At Disney, at theme parks, at restaurants, at
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the mall, at Walmart, at the grocery. Whenever
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I go to the restroom, there are women there.
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What am I supposed to do? I can't go to the men's
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room. So you're just going to have to accept
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it. And the reason it's never been a problem
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is because these people think they know. They
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don't know because I'm there. I've washed my
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hands next to another woman who's talking about,
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do you have an extra tampon? Well, no, actually,
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I don't. I don't. But, you know, that's what
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we're dealing with. We're dealing with people
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that are very ignorant about people like me.
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Very ignorant. And the thing, too, is like. I
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don't know. I just think a lot of times it's
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funny how people will sexualize drag shows and
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sexualize pride and then these same people, conservatives,
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a lot of times will be going to strip clubs or
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cheating on their wife or having sex with the
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intern. You've got Lauren Boebert who's over
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here groping a man in a theater. She's not married
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to, not the man she's married to. And then her
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own son has been now arrested on child sexual
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exploitation charges. Unbelievable, dude. So
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it's the pot calling the kettle black. So listen,
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I talked about this in our show today on the
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air, on our live show. I said that, you know,
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Whoopi Goldberg, Eddie Murphy, a lot of these
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comics, they have very filthy stand -up acts.
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There was another, there's other comics as well.
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Kevin Hart. Yes. A lot of them. If you go to
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their comedy, their comedy is really, there's
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a lot of profanity and a lot of sexual talk.
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And then they make movies for Disney. You can
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be two things at the same time. Thank you. You
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can do that. This is called, in my industry,
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it's called know your audience. If I see children
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in the crowd, of course I'm not going to show
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my boobs. Of course not. What is wrong with you?
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I mean, seriously. I mean, if I do do it, I should
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be arrested. Yeah, exactly. There's children
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in the audience. If they book me at Disney and
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they say, we want you in this Disney production,
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of course I'm going to be as feminine and as
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classy as I can possibly be to fit into that
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standard. And, you know, Whoopi does it all the
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time. Whoopi and all of these comics that I'm
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talking about have, you know, what I call more
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provocative stand -up acts. But in their, you
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know, she's on The View every day. Whoopi cusses
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like a sailor in private. I can imagine. Never
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guesses on The View. She knows her audience.
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She knows who's paying her. And this is the same
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thing with a drag queen. This idea that drag
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queens cannot control themselves if they see
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children is totally manufactured. It's totally
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manufactured. I'll never forget. In seventh grade,
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my mom, we grew up Catholic, but now my mom's
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pro LGBTQ+. It was a beautiful moment about two
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years ago. She said, love is love. But growing
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up, I had an aunt that was lesbian. And I asked
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her, my mom told me in seventh grade, thinking
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it was going to be a big reaction. And I've always
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just been like, okay, it's still in my hand.
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Like, I just don't understand. I think a lot
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of it's jealousy because they might be in the
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closet or they're just full on bullies. I've
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just never understood why anybody cares. As long
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as you're not hurting animals or kids, why anybody
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would care about if someone's gay? It's crazy
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to me. Well, you know, again, they're not homophobic.
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They're not transphobic. Phobic, again, is a
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phobia means to be afraid. They're not afraid
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of us. They're just assholes. And I'm just being
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honest with you. They really are exactly that.
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And over the course of my life, I've met a lot
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of assholes, a lot of people that enjoy, even
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as a kid, they enjoyed making my life as difficult
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and as complicated as possible. And it's still
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going on. The only problem is that now I'm older
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and I don't give a shit. I don't care what people
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think anymore. You know, I'm on the radio every
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day talking about being trans. Once you talk
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about something and you put it out there, it
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just doesn't matter. You take the power away
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from it. I'm the same way with my bipolar and
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ADHD. Like I have moody, moody days and I'm open
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about it. And people are like, why do you talk
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about taking meds? I'm like, because then you
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have no power over me. So it's a little similar.
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You're taking the stigma away from it. Because
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a lot of people are like that. Chris and I are
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both ADHD. I know I have it really bad. I look
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at Chris for some days and he's literally moving
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all over the place. Like he's totally manic.
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And I do the same thing. I watch myself on video.
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We've been videoing our shows. And I watch myself.
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God, I move around a lot. I can't sit still.
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I touch my face. I touch my hair. I touch my
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chest. I'm like, oh my God. You know, I'm like
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moving and moving. It's part of it. We're just
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very wired up all the time. So when I'm not moving,
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everybody says, are you okay? Is something wrong?
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Because I'm very high energy, high strung. So,
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but yeah. It's not that big of a deal to be trans
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to me. I've been trans my whole life. You know,
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I was trans before. Everybody made it like really
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popular where now people talk about it. You know,
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when I came out as trans back in the 76, you
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know, I was just a kid and nobody talked about
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it. Nobody knew what it was. Nobody understood
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it. We didn't even have a name for it. Transgender
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is a modern word. Well, weren't you the first
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student to go to school as a trans individual
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in this area? Here in Hillsborough County, I
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was the first one. I love it. Yeah, and you know,
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it's really weird about it. Back in those days,
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they didn't know what to do with me. They didn't
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know what to send me to night school. What are
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we going to do with this person? You know, because
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I was so, I don't know if I was stupid or brave.
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I'm still not sure. Some days I think that was
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really stupid. Maybe both. Maybe a little bit
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of both, right? I was so brave to just, but I
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knew this. I knew that I could not live my life,
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my whole life. pretending something that I did
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not feel. When did you realize? I just could
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not do that. For both of you, Chris, when did
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you realize you were gay? And then Esme, when
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did you realize you were trans? Oh, I always
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thought that. So I was told a lot when I was
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growing up that I had to like girls. Like, that's
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just the way that it is. You like girls. But
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the entire time that I was being told that I
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have to like girls, I was looking at guys. That's
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that's that's pretty good. Girls are annoying,
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bro. Well, I I distinctly remember, you know,
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making out with with both girls and boys when
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I was like 10, 11 years old. Yeah. You know,
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it was just the way that it was for just what
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felt right. And I'm curious. I don't think I've
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actually had this discussion with you as may.
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I want to know your answer on this one. So, you
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know, as a little kid, very little. four or five
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years old i was obviously very effeminate um
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and so you know little boys especially in a cuban
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family are not supposed to be feminine so i got
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told constantly act like a boy don't embarrass
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us talk talk like a man you know there's no talking
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like a man this is just the way i found so uh
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but uh it's really weird because i didn't really
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know that i was trans I thought I was gay at
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one point, you know, like maybe like around seven
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or eight years old. I heard about gay people.
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So I thought, well, maybe that's what I'm I'm
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gay, whatever that meant, because I didn't really
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understand the sexual part of it. I just knew
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I liked boys, but I didn't know about the sex.
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I didn't know we were supposed to have sex. That
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came later, like after I grew up. But I think
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that I was probably around 12 or 13 when I was
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I know this is going to sound crazy. I was watching.
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A Wonder Woman, and I remember telling my mom,
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I wish I looked like that. Oh, wow. What's crazy
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is that Linda Carter and I share very similar
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measurements. Mine were manufactured in a doctor's
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office, and hers are natural, but still, I'm
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very curvaceous, extremely so. So I think to
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myself, wow, I was really young that I wanted
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to be. And I remember the only drag queens I
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ever saw was Bugs Bunny. That was like the only
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drag. Like I saw Bugs Bunny getting dragged.
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And I think maybe a boy can dress up like a girl,
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you know, so that I started thinking about it.
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But by age 14, 15, I was ready to go. I was ready
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to put on women's clothes. And I did. My dad
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told me not in this house. And I did it anyway.
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Nice. I'm glad you rebelled. Good job. I did.
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I did. I did it anyway. My poor father. You know,
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my father was my biggest ally. It took him about
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three months. He was he was ready to go. He really,
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really supported me. God rest his soul in glory.
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He died at 100 years old. Oh, nice. He loved
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me unconditionally and saw me and recognized
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me as his daughter. He really did. How do you
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think, no, so he was a great dad. What was your
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favorite memory of him? Oh, my God. Well, probably
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my favorite memory of him is he would take me
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to buy toys. Any toy that I wanted, he would
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take me to buy it. Nice. So I had a great collection
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of, Vintage. I still do have a great collection
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of vintage toys that he bought me. I was a big
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toy kid. I really liked toys a lot. But I have
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great memories of my dad. My dad never beat me,
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never whooped me for being feminine. He just
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never did. My mom was a disciplinarian in the
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house. But back in those days, again, there was
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no trans representation whatsoever. There was
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no RuPaul drag race. My idea of a drag queen
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was Flip Wilson. Remember Flip Wilson's show?
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Yes. Back in the 70s. I've heard of it. Yeah,
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Flip Wilson was a big, you know, but it was all
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good in comedy. Drag was always comical. It was
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not serious. Like what I do is very serious.
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When you see me on stage, I'm not funny at all.
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Yeah. You know, but, you know, back in those
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days, it was all comical. But it's just some
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boys just feel like girls for whatever. fucking
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reason. I don't know why. And I can't stand when
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people ask me, why do you feel like that? I don't
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know. Yes, I got you. If I could explain it,
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if I could explain it, then I would, then I could
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define it and I could have avoided it. I avoided
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all the suffering and the things that I went
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through throughout the course of my life because
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I've lived this way. I would have done everything
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to avoid it. It is what it is. I accepted myself
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a long time ago. Yes, that's beautiful. I'm glad
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you were able to do that, accept who you are.
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How often do you guys get DMs from people either
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saying how happy you are or they are that you're
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representing the LGBTQ plus community? Or how
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often do you guys get advice from anybody in
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the DMs? If you do. So I'm the one who's usually
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in charge of all the social media stuff. So I'm
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kind of the one who fields all that stuff. And
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honestly, it's a lot. It's a lot in both aspects.
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You get people who are really supportive and
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want to see you succeed. One of the biggest things
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was people telling us that they wanted to have
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cameras. That was one of the biggest unsolicited
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advice that we got the entirety of the time that
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we were on air. And now we do. But the main thing,
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that happened in terms of the exact opposite
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way was when we were on the midnight to 3 a .m
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show And Esme, just being the amazing trans person
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that she is, had a very big fan. She would actually
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call about 80 times a show. Oh, wow. And she
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would say as much heinous stuff as possible to
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try and get under Esme's skin. Meanwhile, Esme,
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she's lived as a woman for 50 years. She's 65
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years old. You can't say anything to her that'll
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get her aggravated. I thought it was hilarious.
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Esme. She called me a woman skinner, whatever
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that means. I thought you were 45. You look amazing.
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Yeah, I'm 65. I just turned 65 this year. Damn,
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you look so good. I feel really good. And I'll
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tell you, I got the energy, man. I'm the energizer,
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buddy. I got a lot of energy. I literally wake
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up and I'm like ready to go. Like, you know,
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some people have to work themselves up. I'm like,
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no. But I'm just like my dad. So much like my
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dad. My dad was in his 80s and 90s and he had
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the energy of a 40 -year -old. He was like great.
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Yeah. I feel great. I feel really, really good.
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I've lost 23 pounds. I'm losing more, but I've
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lost 23 pounds, and that weight loss has really
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helped me a lot. Now, for everybody listening,
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go to cltampa .com and click on Best of the Bay
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and vote. What are all the nominations you guys
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have? Oh, well, we've got we've got a ton. I
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keep forgetting. So we've got luckily they actually
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WMNF asked us to do a video. So I actually have
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a list right here. So we're nominated under best
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radio show. Both myself and Esme are nominated
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under best radio personality. So you have to
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choose one under best TV host slash news person.
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The show is best under best morning TV show.
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As well as I got nominated for Best Community
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Organizer and Best Columnist. And our bingo,
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which helps support the show, WMNF's Big Gay
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Bingo was also nominated. Well, before I let
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you guys go, promote yourself. Say what you got
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to say. You guys have the floor. Oh, well, Esme,
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I'm going to go ahead and take this moment to
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say how much I love you, Esme, and how grateful
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I am that I get to host a show alongside such
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an amazing person. And I will always highlight
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the fact that Esme Russell is truly a legend
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in this area. She's the first lady of Gabor,
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and she is just absolutely amazing. Yeah, thank
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you so much, Chris. I really appreciate that.
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We have a great working relationship here, and
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it's really good. We do fight. We do fight. A
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lot of times. Especially about topics, or I get
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distracted. But we have a good show. It's a good
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family environment. And then our rotating hosts
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are also very good. Brian, Joanna, Vin. And then
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we also have Claire. Claire. And Sean Kelly.
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I'm behind the scenes. So, you know, we do have
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a really good team here of people that help us
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every week to keep the show running good. So
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we're very blessed. I'm very grateful for everybody.
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And, you know, the nominations are great, but
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it's really weird. I used to watch entertainers,
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like famous people would get nominated for Academy
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Awards, and they'd go, well, I was just making
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a movie. I wasn't really trying to win an Academy
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Award. And that's how I feel about this. I'm
21:34
just doing my radio gig. You know what I'm saying?
21:36
I'm not thinking, well, if I do, if I say this,
21:39
I'll get, I'll get attention for it. You know,
21:41
I was watching our video from last week and I'm
21:43
laughing at how funny I am when I'm being serious.
21:48
I'm just being serious. And it sounds funny when
21:51
I, when I watched myself say it, I went, oh my
21:53
God, that sounded so funny, but I wasn't being
21:55
funny at the time. So, you know, we're just trying
21:57
to do our thing and whatever happens happens.
22:00
And we're kind of piggybacking on, you know,
22:02
why we do the show. And talking on the previous
22:05
topic, we used to also get letters from inmates
22:10
all over the seven county area where we broadcasted.
22:14
And they would they would tell how much they
22:17
feel like they actually have a connection to
22:19
the community. And that's why we do it. We don't
22:22
do it for a piece of paper. We do it because
22:25
it's needed. The conversations are needed. I
22:28
really wanted to normalize trans people as best
22:30
I could while I was on the air. That's always
22:32
been my goal. To just see that we're not hatched.
22:35
You know, that I'm not some weirdo out there,
22:37
you know, trying to sneak into women's. When
22:39
I go in the bathroom, I'm going in there to pee.
22:41
I don't care what your wife looks like. I really
22:43
don't. You know, I'm just telling you, I'm not
22:45
interested in none of that. You know, as I say
22:48
all the time in my stand -up act in my show,
22:51
I ain't had pussy since pussy had me. So, you
22:54
know, there is no need. There's absolutely no
22:57
need for you to worry about your wife or your
22:59
girlfriend or your children or whatever. I'm
23:02
not interested in. I'm not interested in none
23:04
of that. I like men. Thank you for leaving. Thank
23:07
you for leaving the pussy for me. Thank you.
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So, yeah, you know, I just, but I did want to
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normalize trans people as much as you know, that
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we have families and we have brothers and sisters
23:19
and we have struggles that, you know, we go to
23:21
the grocery store. We, you know, I got to go
23:23
to Walmart when I get out of here. I got to go
23:24
to the bank. All the normal stuff everybody does.
23:27
I'm doing the same thing. Trans people are not
23:29
some weirdo trying to dress up. I'm not trying
23:32
to act like anybody. If you walk up and ask me,
23:35
are you transgender? Are you a guy? I'll go,
23:37
yeah, I am. What? I'm not one of those people
23:40
trying to hide it. I don't care that you know.
23:42
It doesn't bother me at all. I'm not trying to
23:45
keep it a secret. If I blend in, great. But if
23:47
I don't, that's okay as well. At this stage in
23:50
the game, I just don't care. It doesn't matter
23:53
to me. Well, that's why you guys are legends.
23:56
You guys are the goats of the area. And it's
23:58
been a lot of fun having you on the show. And
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if you ever need anything promoted on the show,
24:04
let me know. I am a text away. We appreciate
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that. Thanks for the time. Thank you so much
24:09
for having us. Thank you, Esme. And thank you,
24:11
Chris Gorman from the Big Gay Radio Show. Thank
24:14
you, guys. Bye -bye. Have a good one. Bye, guys.
24:18
And that is that. RyanHoppyRadio .com The hour
24:37
will be right back. You probably had Taco Bell
24:39
before. Whenever we're going outside, all I smell
24:44
is poop. We also need to be affectionate. And
24:48
you can see that with Barack and Michelle as
24:51
well. They do a lot of touching, kissing, even
24:54
fisting. The semen was so big. It's not lacking
25:01
any meat. And that's what real... i'm in need
25:04
stop cussing it looks like you went and got a
25:10
job not on the ipad screen whatever the case
25:13
might be in your hand and a sock you know whatever
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like thank you but also i would love to be getting
25:19
railed but We'll be right back. Fade to every
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block From the docks to every porch Names get
26:31
sent the right way And nobody backs off If they
26:36
come for somebody They come through us all We
26:41
don't lower our voices We don't answer their
26:44
call Hear the phone start ringing Hear the truth
26:49
get loud Hands up in the hallway Feet on solid
27:17
Big day radio show. When the weak ones start
27:21
their noise, we turn up to love. Every name,
27:25
everybody fits here under the sun. Tampa Bay,
27:30
say it clear, we protect all. From the mic to
27:36
the street, we are never alone. Big day radio
27:42
show. Big day. Oh, yeah. Search Hoppy Radio for
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more Hoppy Hour. Oh, jeez. It's just so unfair.
28:50
All night's buzzing, but the laughter's growing
28:53
dim. Ear drums mix and hop me like fingers without
28:56
rings. VHX to FM, shout out to the street. But
28:59
soon the sound will vanish like shadows in the
29:01
heat. The happy hour is coming to a close. Radio
29:05
waves fading like a wilting rose. Laughter and
29:08
joy dissolving in the air will keep the rhythm.
29:11
All night's just so unfair. Outro Music Like
29:54
clockwork to a show Now it's time to face the
29:56
silence Like a TV on snow Riot Hoppy held the
29:59
mic With humor so divine The void left in our
30:01
hearts Wider than a canyon line Line Empty speakers,
30:10
silent thighs But coming to an end Like a rollercoaster
30:13
stopping Round a river's bend Hoppy's jokes and
30:16
jacks He's our daily grind Now silence louder
30:19
Than the thoughts we can't rewind So the Hoppy
30:22
hour is coming Outro Music And like that, he's
31:03
gone. He probably had Taco Bell before. Whenever
31:06
we're going outside, all I smell is poop. I'll
31:11
kick you a little. And we'll call it a day. Poppy
31:15
Hour is now over. Poppy Hour is now over. Game
31:31
over. This concludes our broadcast day. Good
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night, and God bless America. Door is closing.