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Vikings Tailgate: Zach Martina Loves The Tricks and Treats From The Lions This Season - DET - Ep 61 · The Vikings Tailgate

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome in to another episode of the Tailgate,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by tikket Master. It is the day
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  Speaker 1: before Halloween, and it is three days before your Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: Vikings take on the Detroit Lions. And joining me in
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  Speaker 1: place of Chad. Chad gets a couple of breaks this year,
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  Speaker 1: and he gets a couple of breaks because we have
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  Speaker 1: show favorites that need to come on and talk about
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  Speaker 1: their team. This week, we have the most recurrent guest
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  Speaker 1: in the history of the tailgate, Detroit Lions super fan,
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  Speaker 1: a guy who was more fun to talk to when
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  Speaker 1: their team was bad and our team was way better.
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, the great Zach Martine and Zach, we
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  Speaker 1: have to listen to me. We have to talk about
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  Speaker 1: this upcoming game. We have to talk about what I
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  Speaker 1: need to be a get right game. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is an excellent get right opportunity for my team. But
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  Speaker 1: I need to start with something we touched on. I
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  Speaker 1: think the first time you were ever on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's Halloween weekend, I saw this article and it
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  Speaker 1: was talking about all the weirdest stuff that's ever happened
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  Speaker 1: in Detroit and with the Lions, and on and on
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  Speaker 1: and on, and one of the things in there, it's
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  Speaker 1: the Bobby Lane curse.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So for those who haven't listened to the show or
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  Speaker 1: don't go that far back with the show. So in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight, the Lions trade Bobby Lane to Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: To Pittsburgh, and he's a star, right he is.
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  Speaker 2: He is the Patrick Mahomes of his time.
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  Speaker 1: They trade him and he places a fifty year curse
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  Speaker 1: on the Detroit Lions, and I love sports curses. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're so, you know, the Red Sox thing, the
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  Speaker 1: Cubs thing until they got broken. At some point, whether
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  Speaker 1: the curse is real or just it begins to believe
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  Speaker 1: itself and you can't. I don't know what happens. But
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  Speaker 1: in the case of the Bobby Lane curse, it runs
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight. It's supposed to end in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight.
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  Speaker 2: And it was adjusted for inflation. So that's it lasts,
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  Speaker 2: it's gone, and what a few years longer than that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's what I would say is super interesting. The
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  Speaker 1: last year of the curse, your team went oh and sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: which is a wild way, and in that fifty years
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  Speaker 1: you lost more games than any team in the entire league,
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  Speaker 1: and you end on an oh and sixteen. Then you
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  Speaker 1: got Stafford, yep, and now you're moving forward and now
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  Speaker 1: out of the it's almost like it's real. That's as
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  Speaker 1: my I guess my question to start, as I babble
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  Speaker 1: through the beginning of this show is how real is
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  Speaker 1: it to Detroit fans? Because Stafford led to golf with
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  Speaker 1: led to all these changes, Dan, here we go and
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  Speaker 1: now you are a multi year championship contending team that
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  Speaker 1: people are picking at the beginning of the season, do
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  Speaker 1: you buy this? Are you all in on the Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Lane Curse? And now that it's over, you're off and running.
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  Speaker 2: I would be hard pressed to find a Detroit Lions
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  Speaker 2: fan that does not believe in the Bobby Lane Curse.
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  Speaker 2: Because we needed a reason. We needed a reason that
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  Speaker 2: we were like, Okay, well this is this can't be
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  Speaker 2: just the organization. This can't just be our team is
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  Speaker 2: it's in the universe, it's intergalactic, it's whatever words you
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  Speaker 2: want to use. But it was at least a reason
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  Speaker 2: we could say, well, yeah, but you know we've got this,
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  Speaker 2: Like I mean, Calvin Johnson was on the team before
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  Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford and he was part of that and oh
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  Speaker 2: and sixteen team. When you have a receiver like that,
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  Speaker 2: you have Barry Sanders. I mean people out there that
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  Speaker 2: aren't even Lions fans that are still watching highlights of
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  Speaker 2: Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson's The plays that they made
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  Speaker 2: were ridiculous. And to be part of a fifty years
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  Speaker 2: stretch where you are losing more games than any other
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  Speaker 2: team in the franchise, you have to have a reason
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  Speaker 2: because it doesn't make sense when you have players of
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  Speaker 2: that caliber. It just doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: So is there now that you're this new team and
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  Speaker 1: my team is coming off, I would say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from a fan standpoint, one of the more difficult losses
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  Speaker 1: in the Kevin O'Connell era, right, And I think that
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  Speaker 1: just that sentence speaks to how impressive the coaching staff
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  Speaker 1: has been. I always use the example. You can use
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  Speaker 1: a ton of them, but winning a game with Josh
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  Speaker 1: Dobbs calling the plays into the headset in Atlanta like
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  Speaker 1: the overcoming adversity, you know, has finally this team has
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  Speaker 1: finally arrived in the place where it felt like adversity
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  Speaker 1: steam rolled them against the Chargers. And I think everybody
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  Speaker 1: went whoa, and everybody, you know, fans are stepped back,
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  Speaker 1: and we're not quite where we expected we would be.
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  Speaker 1: So this game this week is so interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: because it's it's potentially a fork in the road. Right,
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  Speaker 1: You're playing one of the best teams in the NFL. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you believe yourself to be a very good football team.
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  Speaker 1: Are you gonna do what everybody in the media and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of negative fans are saying, Are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: get rolled by the Lions or is this gonna be
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  Speaker 1: the game where everybody went. Then they went in and
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  Speaker 1: took care of Detroit and they're building, turned the season
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  Speaker 1: around and went going. So you know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pivot points in NFL seasons, but this one feels
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  Speaker 1: like it potentially could be one for a team that
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  Speaker 1: is in desperate need of it. Is there any is
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  Speaker 1: there any part of your little fan brain that feels
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  Speaker 1: that you might be vulnerable to a desperate team coming
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  Speaker 1: in and punching you in the face.
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  Speaker 2: Let me, let me go ahead and show you how
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  Speaker 2: little my fan brain is. I'm not gonna take your bait.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take your bait of insulting me and
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  Speaker 2: coming at me saying I have a little brain. I
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  Speaker 2: have a size eight head, all right. When I played
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  Speaker 2: football in high school, they had do special order a helmet.
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  Speaker 2: All right, when you knock on this skull, it is
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  Speaker 2: not hollow. It's not little SI, thank you, and I
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  Speaker 2: it is not. It is a big brain. It is
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  Speaker 2: a big old brain. But I don't I'm I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm always nervous because I've been hurt in the past,
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  Speaker 2: but coming off of a bye, our team getting a
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  Speaker 2: little bit healthy, you know, we've been decimated in the secondary,
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  Speaker 2: but that last game, I think you'd find a lot
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  Speaker 2: of Lions fans who think that this defense will play
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  Speaker 2: harder for Kelvin Shepherd than they did for Aaron Glenn.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. It's but this guy
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  Speaker 2: rallies the troops and you can see that. So coming
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  Speaker 2: off of a Monday night game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
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  Speaker 2: who have, I mean the early favorite for offensive Rookie
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  Speaker 2: of the Year, a returning Mike Evans, I mean, their
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  Speaker 2: receiving corps is no thing to just sneeze at. To
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  Speaker 2: have those guys step up and play under Kelvin Shephard
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  Speaker 2: was huge. Now that makes me a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: confident in our depth because we do have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those guys returning. DJ Reid isn't necessarily yet, but
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  Speaker 2: we get Branch back, We're gonna get Joseph back. We
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  Speaker 2: can I think we're gonna get Avonte Maddox back. A
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  Speaker 2: Meek Robertson has just got that dog in him and
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  Speaker 2: he showed that against Tampa Bay. And then we also
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  Speaker 2: got Aleam mcneilback, who is now coming He played one game,
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  Speaker 2: he's coming back. Off of a bye, and that's not
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  Speaker 2: a defensive tackle that just stuffs the run. He is
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  Speaker 2: eating up space in the middle and rushing the passer
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  Speaker 2: from the interior of the line. I feel really good
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  Speaker 2: coming off of the bye. I feel really good coming
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  Speaker 2: off of the bye. Who will come into at a
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  Speaker 2: home game, no less.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm hearing, Zach. All I'm hearing is everything that
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  Speaker 1: I said, the opportunity that when when it happens, Because
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. You gave you a little speech about
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  Speaker 1: your brain, and now it triggered me, so now I'm
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  Speaker 1: against you. All I'm hearing is the accomplishment for when
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  Speaker 1: we pivot correctly against your team will be even greater
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  Speaker 1: because there are no excuses. You're off a bye, you're healthy.
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  Speaker 1: But can you answer me this? What are the odds? So,
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  Speaker 1: because I've watched you guys a lot this year, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: I just I just need this to be one of
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  Speaker 1: those games, Zach where Dan Campbell makes a couple of
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  Speaker 1: the decisions that I want this to be one of
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  Speaker 1: the weeks where you go, ah, I'd love that one back.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of those fourth down, a couple of the
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  Speaker 1: gutsy risky calls because here's the thing. It can't always work.
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  Speaker 1: You know it works more than it doesn't. That's how,
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  Speaker 1: that's how you know you choose to keep doing it.
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  Speaker 1: But I need that risky behavior to bite them this week.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I need. I need that Niners game, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs a couple of years ago. I need a
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  Speaker 1: couple of risky decisions to bite you, guys, because here,
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  Speaker 1: here's what I'll tell you. I think the Vikings deserve
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  Speaker 1: a little good favor this week. And I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a reason for that. Maybe it's my emotional state going
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  Speaker 1: into the game, but I think we need to come
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  Speaker 1: ready to play. And I would love to see you,
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  Speaker 1: guys just take a little bit of that c Detroit
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  Speaker 1: risk taking mentality that has somehow developed in a very
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  Speaker 1: short period of time despite being put through a fifty
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  Speaker 1: year curse. I would love a little bit of that
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  Speaker 1: to bite you. Just step up and snap you sy.
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  Speaker 2: I understand what you want here, and you're you know what,
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  Speaker 2: you know what you're asking for it you're asking for
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  Speaker 2: a treat, and I think you're about to be tricked. Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cancel this show right now. You know what, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just realizing in the history of you being on the show.
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  Speaker 1: You've been on the show for three years before this season.
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  Speaker 1: The first season, we were very good with Kirk and
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  Speaker 1: you were having that season where you beat Green Bay
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the year and you were like
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  Speaker 1: turning around. You had the major season before the season.
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  Speaker 1: Second season, you had a really great year. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a reason to feel bad because we had a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback situation that we were battling through. Third year, we're
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  Speaker 1: both great. We play each other. It sucks that we
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  Speaker 1: lost to you at the end of the season, but
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  Speaker 1: we're both great. We're both feeling good. This is the
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  Speaker 1: first year that there's some angst in this conversation between
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  Speaker 1: you and I. This is the first year where you're
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  Speaker 1: still doing well and we're not doing the things we
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  Speaker 1: want to be doing. And I gotta tell you, I
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  Speaker 1: hate it.
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  Speaker 2: I buddy, I'll tell you. The angst is all on
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  Speaker 2: one side, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. So you have an ad I've never noticed
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  Speaker 1: the attitude and tell my team is not where I
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  Speaker 1: need it.
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  Speaker 2: I you know what, I just I'm taking it one
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  Speaker 2: game at a time. Got it all thanks to you know,
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  Speaker 2: coach Campbell. He makes some great calls and uh, that
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  Speaker 2: Campbell gamble really does come into play. You're gonna see it,
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna get it. But uh, you're not gonna you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get When I said you're gonna get tricked, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get hit with at least two trick plays and
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  Speaker 2: they are.
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  Speaker 1: Are they still that prevalent? Are the trick plays still
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  Speaker 1: that prevalent?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? You guys, Oh yeah, I would say I would
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  Speaker 2: argue that. I mean, it's tough to say because over
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  Speaker 2: the years of the past couple of years, our offense
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  Speaker 2: has been pretty balanced, but it is more so this year,
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  Speaker 2: and that is because Johnny Morton, our new offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: He is he has an affinity for the play action,
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  Speaker 2: so he even more so has to establish the run.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna see a lot of Junior Gibbs. I hope
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  Speaker 2: you see a little bit more of David Montgomery. I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to see that split go back to a bit
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  Speaker 2: more even time share just for wear and tear purposes.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you're gonna see I think you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: see something out of Jamison Williams this week. He is
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  Speaker 2: he's been a little quiet, but he has too much
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  Speaker 2: speed and too much talent to just continue to be quiet,
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  Speaker 2: especially at home, especially off the buy, when you've got
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  Speaker 2: all that time to kind of script up your playbook.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see some real big plays from
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest, all of our playmakers and maybe even
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  Speaker 2: our second string tight end, rock Right. That's right, brock Right.
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  Speaker 1: You you just laid out a lot of stuff, but
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  Speaker 1: you you went to the place that you are predicting
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  Speaker 1: against us success from a backup tight end. I can't
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  Speaker 1: be in such a place with you that I'm listening
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  Speaker 1: to you gleefully tell me that in a division matchup,
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  Speaker 1: I expect an excellent game from a second string tight end.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do it. You know how much you would
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  Speaker 1: hate me if I came on here and predicted a
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  Speaker 1: monster day receiving from our backup tight end. It would
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  Speaker 1: just it wouldn't be good.
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  Speaker 2: I know. But you didn't let me finish the context
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: You want to stop talking. It felt like the context.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I took a I took a breath,
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  Speaker 2: and you're like, I can't, I can't do it. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what I was gonna say, is our second string tight
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  Speaker 2: end brock Wright has actually been having an incredible season
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  Speaker 2: and playing he's I think he's been out playing a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the number one tight ends in the league.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so cool. So you just wanted to hammer down
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  Speaker 1: that you think you have two number one tight ends
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  Speaker 1: on your roster.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to two number one running backs and two
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  Speaker 2: number one receivers. Yes, that's what I did want to
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  Speaker 2: hammer down.
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  Speaker 1: What I am curious about outside of the matchup this
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  Speaker 1: week is for a few years, everyone has understood that
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  Speaker 1: this is a very competitive division. I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people thought with your former coordinator going to Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: it could become even more competitive. It seems that has happened.
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  Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, man, and you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to like this. From an outsider's perspective, the Packers seems
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  Speaker 1: so good at football. I don't raise your eyebrow at
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  Speaker 1: me like that.
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  Speaker 2: I was at that first game. I was at that
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  Speaker 2: game at Lambeau, so I raised my eyebrow because it
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  Speaker 2: was taking me back to a dark place to start
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  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to tell the fans something because you
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  Speaker 1: come on here so positive and so happy after that
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  Speaker 1: first game at Lambeau. So Mica gets traded you go
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  Speaker 1: to Lambeau for the opening game of the year, you
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  Speaker 1: guys get thaw rottled, and for all the confidence, the
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  Speaker 1: text that you sent me might as well have just
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  Speaker 1: been a picture of like Thelma and Louise's car going
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  Speaker 1: off the cliff. So so you've you've you've obviously recovered
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  Speaker 1: from that. The team is doing very well. But I
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  Speaker 1: got to I mean, I think the Packers. I think
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  Speaker 1: you need to be worried about the Packers. I think,
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  Speaker 1: if i'm if I'm picking with my brain right now,
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  Speaker 1: they are the team even above the Eagles, that seems
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  Speaker 1: most likely.
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  Speaker 2: I well, in regard to the text message I sent
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  Speaker 2: you and the tone that you have conveyed, it reminds
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  Speaker 2: me a lot of the tone that you were giving
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  Speaker 2: me just before we went to break. Okay, that's so
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  Speaker 2: we can commiserate there, I understand, I do. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna deny that the Packers are good. Josh
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  Speaker 2: Jacobs is incredible. I mean, they're doing it with I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Micah Parsons is their star that and he's the only
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  Speaker 2: one you can really make.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess Tucker Craft has been playing very
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  Speaker 2: very well for them, But Outside of that, no one
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  Speaker 2: player has been doing great. I mean Watson and Jayden
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  Speaker 2: Reid have been hurt. Who else, I mean, Matthew Golden
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  Speaker 2: has been underwhelming. So I think that they're good. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna deny that one real quick thing, shout out
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  Speaker 2: to all This is tough for me to say, especially
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  Speaker 2: on this Vikings podcast. Shout out to all those Packers
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  Speaker 2: fans they were I didn't pay for a beer all
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  Speaker 2: I didn't pay for a beer all day. We add
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  Speaker 2: up early, we went to the tailgate.
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  Speaker 1: Bought beer. I don't think that's a reason to shout
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  Speaker 1: out an entire fan base in the way they handle it.
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  Speaker 2: And my car and my car died the next day,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm trying to figure out how to get at
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  Speaker 2: a jump and this woman in a Green Bay Packers
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  Speaker 2: hoodie goes, oh, is your car dead? And I'm in
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  Speaker 2: all Lions gear. My wife is in all Lions gear.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, is your car dead? And we're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're about to call someone. She goes, don't you pay
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  Speaker 2: money for that. I will be right back with my
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  Speaker 2: jumper cables. She put her dog inside, came over and said,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry guys, it's just the first game. You'll get
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  Speaker 2: us next time. Yeah, thanks getting question, just thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 1: Here's my question for you on that story that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: move me emotionally in any way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 2: What have you been moved emotionally? Siy huh, I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at me.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Talk about that. That's not your job is not to
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: have those discussions with me. My question is, if you
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to beat them thirty eight to ten, you think she's
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: out there jumping your car saving you money. You think
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: you're getting beers bought all over the place. I think package.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: It was pregame. Pregame's not gonna change.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I think the victory shades the behavior. I'm not interested in.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested. And this is what I was gonna
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: ask you, And this I actually think this is this
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: sucks about you, that stupid curse.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Me personally, Yes, I've that stupid curse made you. You're
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: basically like a dog that got adopted.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Right. You're in a good home now and for the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: first time you're like, Wow, this is great. There's nothing
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: everything's great like, there's no nothing is negative, nor should
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: it be. You're finally in a good place you deserve
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: to be in a good place. But what I don't
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: understand is you've developed the cockiness, but you haven't developed
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: any of the disdain. You're over. Here's just on me.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Packer fans are kind you like? Tell me why why
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: have you yet to disdain any of the other teams?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't want some upper brow I'm a good person. Answer.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: That's not how That's not how sports angst works. We'll
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: see if you lose in another NFC championship game or
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: second round how you're feeling about other teams. But what why?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: You should already be down the road of not you
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: really want to be in our division. You want to
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: play like the girl, don't like the Packers, don't like
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: their fans. What are you talking about?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and say to your adopted dog analogy. Yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I do have a good home now, and I am
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: happy with where I am. But you'll I will maintain
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you can go back through every appearance I have had
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: on this podcast. I never forgot the roads that I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: grew up on, all right, I never forgot how hard
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it was. I'm just happy to be here. I'm wagging
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: my tail, all right. I wouldn't have liked the Packers
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: until I don't like the Packers. Let's get that clear.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I do not like the team, the Packers. But the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: tailgate experience at Lambeau was fantastic because it was basically
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a professional level college football tailgate game, which I have
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: never been a part of, and that was fantastic. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: for people in their I mean, they did not think
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: they were gonna win. They were all about like, oh,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the Lions are the team, like this is the team.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: This is the team, this is the team. And despite that,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: they were like, Okay, here's some beers. And I think
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I get that. I get that, like you're trying to
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: set your expectations low so you don't so you don't
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: disappoint yourself. And then all all of a sudden you
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: turned it around and you're like, well, you know, I'm
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just a humble fan. That's all it is.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I I don't have a speechless ladies and gentlemen, speechless.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I will agree with you. I think everyone should go
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to a game in Lambeau. I think it is an
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: immensely unique experience. I you know, I've told this story
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: on the show and on other Viking programs. I was
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: at the Randy Moss Mooning game one of the great
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: sports experiences of my life. But I also remember, like
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: midway through the third quarter when we were beating them
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: in a playoff game and they still had Brett farre
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and we were the underdogs. I remember my nephew Seth
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and I thinking we should probably put our jackets on
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and tone it down a little bit.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You know, that was not my experience, because we were
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: getting throttled the whole game.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying. I think, and I think
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: because you're such a puppy dog, You're sitting there getting throwed,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and even though you were worried about the team, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: think you knew you were gonna be okay. So you
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: just got to glide through this experience. And what I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: needed that experience to do for you is galvanize an
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: amount of disdain that thrusts you into the adversarial relationship
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that you're supposed to have with these other teams. Now,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I will say, we've never had that with you, But
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think in this podcast, I'm starting to develop it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I think this is the first time I'm really really
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: starting to develop it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: This is the first year where people are like they're
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: for the longest. For the last two seasons, they were like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the Lions, let them have this. This
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: is this year.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: This year is very very tired of it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: It's very different, and people are no longer giving us
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the leash, so to speak.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: You should have won your title two years ago. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: don't need you to be good in the regular season
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: for five more years. I'm tired of it that, you know.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I think about that a lot with the Chiefs, you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: watching them, you know, on Monday night. To see an
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: organization that has had the high level success start to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: have the high level success. There's an endearing aspect to it,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but it can only be endearing for so long. My
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: question is, and this this will fuel me going into
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: this weekend in our techt threads, do you believe that
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this is the year? Like just being a true look
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: at everything. You see what the Lions are doing, you
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: know where the Eagles are at over in the other division,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you see what's happening there. Now the Chiefs are real again.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Do you believe this is the year? And I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: my follow up to that is, do you look at
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the last two years losses? You know a lot of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: injury issues, you know, stuff like to be more happenstance
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: if you're able to get all the way through the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: season team intact. Do you believe it'll be the first
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: time the Lions get to showcase their real team in
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. What is your long haul vision right now?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I want it on record for when we talk later
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: in the season.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, to your point of losing players last year, absolutely,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I think we go much further in the playoffs, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I do believe that we would have made the super
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Bowl if we did not lose sixteen starters. And I
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: know there's only eleven on that side, but okay, you
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: lose your starter, then the next man up and then
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: he goes down. I mean, I've in my and I'm
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a football fan. I like just obviously the Lions are
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: my favorite team, but I am a football fan and
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I follow the game. I have never seen one side
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: of the ball decimated like that, like season ending injuries
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to first and second string. So I do think things
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: would have been different last year had we been able
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: to maintain some health. Now onto this year, I absolutely
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: think that we are built to go deep into the
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: playoffs and showcase what kind of team we actually are.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And I would I would I would push to what
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: we saw against Tampa Bay in that secondary step up
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: we got you know, we did get the return of
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Alee McNeil, but we only had like so, we did
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: not have a starting corner out there. We did not
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: have a starting safety out there. We had guys that
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: were on the practice squad. We had guys that were
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: just and they were they were locking guys down. They
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: were locking good receivers down. Uh, they were locking Mecca down,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: they were locking Mike Evans down. I mean, Baker Mayfield
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: only threw for I think two hundred and fifty yards
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and in the first half, I think they only had
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: thirty yards offense. So if we can maintain health and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: we continue to play the way that we've been playing
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: on offense, yeah, I one hundred percent thinks one hundred
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: percent think we can do it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I've asked you this question before, and it's just I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: just checking in on it. It's a little callback to
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: what we spoke about earlier in the show, but I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just checking in on it because I want to keep
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: getting it on record for as long as it takes,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: because it's either going to be a relevant question at
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: some point or it's going to be a completely irrelevant
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: wrong question. Will there come a point in time where
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the gamble nature of the way your team approaches things
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: rubs you the wrong way? Is there an amount of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: like if you go into the playoffs this year and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the gamble bites you, will you start to wonder like, hey,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: maybe we should reel it in or are you still
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: all in on this identity? I just and I know
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the answer. I just want to keep putting you on
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: record because some someday I am going to put a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: montage of your answers together.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: We well, you have offered a different context in this question.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: What is the scenario where I would be sick of
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the Campbell gamble? And that is if it was blatantly
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: obvious that Dan Campbell was losing his mind and going
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: for it egregiously on you know from Mark two or
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you know, and and over and over and over again.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: If there was clear cut evidence that Dan Campbell had
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: some sort of stroke on the on the sidelines and
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: was calling ridiculous, then I would be like, Okay, maybe
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: we need someone. But until that happens, and I don't
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: think it will because the man is fit as a
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: fiddle inside and out. That's right, he too has a
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: big brain. I think that you know, I'm one hundred
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: percent in on the identity because I think you live
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: by the sword and you die by the sword. I'm
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: not gonna be the guy. I'm never gonna be the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: guy who's like, yeah, we did it on fourth dollar,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: we got there, Oh, we took this chance. On the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: other all the trick plays, Oh my god, yeah, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: then it doesn't work, and I'm like, screw this guy.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: That is not a fan, that is not someone who
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: follows the team the way that I follow the team
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and the way that I love this team.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You did a great job of answering that question the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: way everybody answers every important topic in arguments in our
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: society currently, which is like, yeah, there's evidence, but let
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: me tell you what I decide for what.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You don't get to contextualize your question and then recontextualize
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: my answer. You don't get to do that, my friend.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Are you You're losing your mind if you think that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: is going to fly here on the tailgate. It's my
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: tailgate now. It's my tailgate now, and you're losing your mind.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Of course I'm losing my mind. Of course I am.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I am beyond losing my mind. I started this show
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: by pitching like. My pitch to you was that this
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: against one of the best teams league. I've told I'm
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the sort of pressure I'm putting on my team that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I have no control over, which is this is a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: get right game, going into one of the best team
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: in the league's buildings when they got healthy and are
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: coming off a bye. Yeah, Zach, my mind is gone.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: But let me tell you something.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: As a friend, I want you to know that when
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: you used the verb I need, I did get a
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: little concern. I was like, Okay, maybe I should send
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: him some muffins. Tell do you like poison Berry? I
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: know you like.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I love Huckleberry, but.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Good nice, nice.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Some good old fashioned bitterroot valley Huckleberry. Your team is
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: gonna lose.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Oh you like something that's bitter.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: My team is gonna get right, and the gamble will
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: bite you now and again when it's important. Those are
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: my predictions. What do you think the score is gonna be? Well, okay,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: well here's what I'll tell you. We do do the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: since Chad came onto the show, we do do the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: prediction segment a little bit differently. Okay, you do a
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: score prediction, then you do a player prediction, and then
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you do a personal prediction.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Before I make my prediction, what is McCarthy's status. He's down,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: McCarthy's playing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, McCarthy's that's my understanding. Jay can text me if
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But as of this recording, my understanding is
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is our quarterback this weekend.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, now go on with your example. I didn't mean
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to interrupt.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I just needed to know. I think you've got that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: big old brain, Zach. Come on, come on, you you
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: clearly you clearly understand. How like my personal prediction for
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: this week, because that's the one you maybe need help with.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Is I predict that I will be the least appropriate
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I've ever been in our text thread on Sunday. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: just see that coming. And I wouldn't have had that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: prediction before this episode, but I see it coming. Score
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: player and personal.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Score player and personal. I think that the score is
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: thirty eight to seventeen.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: That is egregious. You're an egregious person.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Thirty eight to seventeen. And I just want to be
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: clear that it's the Lions that get the thirty eight,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and we understood that, and the the Packers that I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: sorry the Vikings. I was just thinking about teams I
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: prefer less than the Lions. I think that we get
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the thirty eight and then the Vikings get the seventeen
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and the only reason you get that last seven is
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: it's a garbage time touchdown and we've pulled all our starters.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Who's your player? That was a Greek? Who's your player?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: My player this week has gotta be Jamison Williams. He's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: been too quiet and he's just too good. I think
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: he has oh boy, five receptions for eighty plus yards
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and one of which is a thirty plus yard touchdown, and.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: My immensely specific my what did you want? No, it's great,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it's a good point.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: My personal prediction is, as I was telling Jay before
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the show, November seventh is my ten year anniversary with
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: my wife. So on Sunday I will be in Mexico
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: with my with a with a drinking my hand and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: my iPad on the other watching this game, and I think, uh,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna get a I'm gonna put a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: lion like a lion's emblem on my chest, my bare
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: chest that I've oiled up, and just get a nice
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: tan tattoo, a sun a farmer's tan tattoo of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Lion's emblem. And then as soon as we get that,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that's that win. I'm gonna look over at my beautiful
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: wife and I'm gonna just be like, Babe, we did it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna plan a big kiss onre Goes.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It's not ten years in. I go no, the Lions won.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I have started to disdain this show, speaking of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: word disdain that has come up so often throughout the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: programs today. I think you're right about the seventeen, but
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna score the seventeen will be at
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty five. I think that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Twenty five yards. That's probably a good estimate for you. Yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you're probab gonna get about one hundred twenty five yards.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I think all this talk about your secondary I think
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: JJ's had enough time to rest. I'm gonna buy the hype.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy the hype. I'm gonna buy. I'm gonna
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: homer in on a level I haven't because I've got
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to match your homer level. So guess what I think.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is gonna come in and knock the shoes
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and socks off everybody. And those two wide receivers Jet
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: j J J Jet Jet Jet Jet Jet Jet Jet Jets,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and Jordan Patterson, they are gonna eat your
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: little braggy secondary apart. I think one hundred yards for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: each guy. And I'm changing my personal prediction. I am
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: gonna text your wife and have her send me a tattoo,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: a picture of your son tattoo, so I just have
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: access to that every time, every time I need it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Moving into the future, despite how this went, I sure
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: care about you lot hey and real quick you and
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this because it's important to me. But
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think it reflects how I feel about the program.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: You're a fantastic stand up.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Oh thanks.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: You have a brand new special out, sure do. It's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: called A Lot to Live For? Correct?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: That's it?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on YouTube. How can people find it? What's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the easiest?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Just search your name?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Z A H M A R T I N. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: just searched that and yeah it's been up now it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: gonna be two days ago. I put it up and
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it's been doing really really well and the feedbacks when
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: positive and I'm proud of it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of it as well, and I'm proud of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you for that and nothing in your football world. I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: care about you and we will see you. What do
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: we are? We last game this season?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Second Las last game this season, which would be greatcause
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: it could be a lot like the game we had
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I know what you're doing and I'm not going to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: be a part of it. I'm not going to be
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: a part of a big thanks Zach for coming on
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the show. We appreciate it, and thank you to all
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you guys for listening to our podcast feed while you're here.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Give a review. Do the stars write the words? It
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: helps us a lot. Finally, a huge shout out to Ticketmaster,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings, for helping
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: this show happened. We will be back next week with
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: both Chad and I. Enjoy the game, Everybody