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Speaker 1: Fetishes are a curious thing. We all have them, of course,
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Speaker 1: though some have more unusual ones than others. Because of that,
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Speaker 1: those with desires that would be considered strange by most
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Speaker 1: often end up feeling the need to hide them from
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Speaker 1: the world. But what happens when those fetishes are discovered,
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Speaker 1: not by a stranger, but by a family member? Someone
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Speaker 1: close who disapproves of what they found. What if that
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Speaker 1: person wants to expose the secret to the world? Everybody
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Speaker 1: reacts differently to their secrets being revealed, but for Mark Redwine,
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Speaker 1: he was willing to stop at nothing to keep his secret, well,
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Speaker 1: a secret. This is Monsters.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Mark Allen Redwine was born on August 24th, 1961, and
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Speaker 1: though I'm not sure where he was born, he lived most,
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Speaker 1: if not all, of his life in Colorado. During his
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Speaker 1: younger years, he must have had some degree of charm
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Speaker 1: because he was married on two separate occasions. Once to
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Speaker 1: a woman named Betsy Horvath in the late 70s and
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Speaker 1: early 80s, and then again to another woman named Elaine
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Speaker 1: Hatfield in 1989. It's the latter marriage that has the
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Speaker 1: most relevance to what would later take place as it
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Speaker 1: was with Elaine that Mark had two children named Corey
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Speaker 1: and Dylan. While Corey was very near and dear to
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Speaker 1: his father, it was Dylan who seemed to be the
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Speaker 1: apple of his eye. But why wouldn't he be? Because,
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Speaker 1: when he was born on February 6th, 1999, it completed
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Speaker 1: the picturesque life the family had in La Plata County,
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Speaker 1: the quiet and rugged area located in the mountains of
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Speaker 1: southwest Colorado. At least, that's what it seemed like on
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Speaker 1: the surface. As to anyone who was observing, they were
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Speaker 1: a pretty typical all-American family. With Mark and Elaine still
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Speaker 1: being very much in love at that point, it created
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Speaker 1: a happy environment for the two boys to thrive in.
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Speaker 1: This allowed them to become very close with one another,
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Speaker 1: despite the fact that there was a seven-year age gap
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Speaker 1: between the two. It wasn't uncommon, in fact, for Cody
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Speaker 1: to drive Dylan both to and from sports practices after school,
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Speaker 1: a place where the younger sibling excelled while playing anything
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Speaker 1: he could get the opportunity to, whether that be football, baseball,
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Speaker 1: or even basketball. Whenever there was a big sports game
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Speaker 1: on TV, the pair often had playful bets with each
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Speaker 1: other over the result. Bets that usually amounted to the
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Speaker 1: loser having to do something like the winner's laundry for them. Sure,
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Speaker 1: they didn't necessarily have their dad around 100% of the time,
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Speaker 1: as Mark had to divide things on account of him
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Speaker 1: still having to see his kids from his prior relationship
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Speaker 1: with Betsy, but that was something that was perfectly manageable
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Speaker 1: in the long run. For the first eight years of
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Speaker 1: Dylan's life, things went as perfectly as they could, all
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Speaker 1: up until the point when Mark and Elaine's relationship began
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Speaker 1: to sour. Like with his first marriage, problems started to
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Speaker 1: arise between Mark and his current wife, so much so
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Speaker 1: that by 2007, their life together had become unmanageable. That
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Speaker 1: was why, later that same year, they decided that it
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Speaker 1: was best for everyone involved if they split up and
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Speaker 1: went their separate ways. Of course, they would still have
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Speaker 1: to keep some level of contact with one another if
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Speaker 1: for no other reason than to raise their children, but
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Speaker 1: that was nothing new to Mark since he had gone
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Speaker 1: through that already. So while it was painful to separate,
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Speaker 1: he seemed to handle the situation well enough. That was
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Speaker 1: until he realized Elaine was pushing for full custody of
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Speaker 1: then-still 13-year-old Dylan. something that came as a huge shock
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Speaker 1: to the boy's father. Why was she pushing for that? Well,
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Speaker 1: as it turned out, things were a lot worse than
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Speaker 1: anyone could have imagined behind closed doors. While to most
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Speaker 1: people it looked like Mark was a good father and that,
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Speaker 1: even if his marriage was falling apart, he was always
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Speaker 1: going to be there for his kids, in reality, his
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Speaker 1: relationship with Dylan and Corey had soured quite drastically over
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Speaker 1: the preceding years. As Corey would later put it, his
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Speaker 1: father could be a cruel and violent man, someone who
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Speaker 1: had deep-seated issues which, rather than dealing with, he often
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Speaker 1: chose to take out on them instead. Dylan would back
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Speaker 1: up those claims when asked as well, with him arguing
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Speaker 1: he didn't get along with his father at all and
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Speaker 1: that because of that he had no interest in seeing
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Speaker 1: him anymore. When the La Plata County Court of Durango
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Speaker 1: was presented with this testimony on September 21, 2012, it
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Speaker 1: was decided that the best thing to do was award
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Speaker 1: full custody of the youngest Redwin boy to Elaine and
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Speaker 1: her new partner, Mike Hall. Mark would still get some
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Speaker 1: kind of access in the form of court-mandated visitations, which
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Speaker 1: would occur on a semi-regular basis that would see Dylan,
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Speaker 1: as the only one who was still a minor, have
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Speaker 1: to travel from his new home in Monument, Colorado, back
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Speaker 1: to where his father remained in nearby Bayfield. Not that
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Speaker 1: he enjoyed these visits, however. No, as far as he
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Speaker 1: was concerned, he'd have been much happier staying in Monument
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Speaker 1: and carrying on with his favorite pastime, sports. That wasn't
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Speaker 1: the only reason he didn't want to go see his
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Speaker 1: father anymore, though, because there was another one that was
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Speaker 1: far more upsetting to him. That had to do with
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Speaker 1: pictures of Mark he and his brother had accidentally uncovered
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Speaker 1: during a prior father-son road trip in the summer of 2012.
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Speaker 1: It was there that, after both Dylan and Corey had
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Speaker 1: agreed to go visit their father and catch up with him,
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Speaker 1: they had borrowed his laptop one night and been met
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Speaker 1: with quite a shock once they logged in. On that
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Speaker 1: computer were a series of graphic photos, photos that showed
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Speaker 1: their father dressed in a wig and women's lingerie. That
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Speaker 1: wasn't all, though, because he was also pictured eating what
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Speaker 1: appeared to be human feces from a diaper. That's right,
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Speaker 1: Mark Redwine's secret fetish, the one he was too ashamed
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Speaker 1: to tell his family, was that he was a coprophiliac. Basically,
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Speaker 1: a coprophiliac is someone who has an erotic fascination with
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Speaker 1: feces as well as general filth and uncleanliness. While at
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Speaker 1: times this can mean they simply enjoy either watching people
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Speaker 1: defecate on them, or defecating on people themselves, at other
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Speaker 1: times it can also mean a person gets a sexual
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Speaker 1: thrill from either smearing feces on themselves or outright eating it. Obviously, then,
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Speaker 1: this is a particularly unusual desire and one that goes
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Speaker 1: a level above more typical stuff like BDSM or cosplay,
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Speaker 1: for example. With the potential risk of infection or illness
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Speaker 1: surrounding the practice, it's no surprise most who participate in
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Speaker 1: it feel the need to hide it as there's likely
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Speaker 1: a certain degree of shame associated with it. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not intending to shame anyone who participates in this type
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Speaker 1: of activity. where I think it should be understandable that
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Speaker 1: the general population will find some level of disgust in
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Speaker 1: the thought of consuming or even handling feces. As long
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Speaker 1: as it's something taking place between consenting adults, there's nothing
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Speaker 1: wrong with doing whatever turns you on. Hopefully, the people
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Speaker 1: who do engage in this type of thing are taking
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Speaker 1: some sort of precautions to avoid infection and general illness. Still,
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Speaker 1: it's not the kind of thing which could be easily
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Speaker 1: brought up with a partner as being a potential option
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Speaker 1: in the bedroom. The fact most people would likely recoil
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Speaker 1: at the suggestion of such an act probably contributes towards
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Speaker 1: the reality of coprophiliacs tending to keep their desires more
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Speaker 1: private than most. But how does such a desire arise
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Speaker 1: in the first place? After all, the general scientific belief
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Speaker 1: is that sexual fetishes aren't created in a vacuum. They're
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Speaker 1: usually developed in childhood, right at the point when our
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Speaker 1: brains are first beginning to form properly. While there have
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Speaker 1: been various different suggestions given for this over the years,
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Speaker 1: one of the most prominent seems to come from Sigmund Freud,
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Speaker 1: who argued that coprophilia represents a psychological desire to regress
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Speaker 1: back to childhood. As he put it, defecation plays a
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Speaker 1: key role in the psychosexual development of children, with this
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Speaker 1: initially presenting itself during the anal sadistic phase. A bowel
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Speaker 1: movement can be described as a somewhat pleasurable experience given
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Speaker 1: that it can stimulate the prostate area in men. On
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Speaker 1: top of that, Freud argued a fascination with feces may
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Speaker 1: be connected to genital stimulation that occurs during the changing
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Speaker 1: of diapers during infancy. Because of that, the feeling of
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Speaker 1: being aroused by such a thing can be a subconscious
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Speaker 1: desire to want to return to such a period of infancy.
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Speaker 1: Now it should be made clear that these are only
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Speaker 1: theories and no definitive accepted explanation has ever been given
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Speaker 1: for the cause of either coprophilia or any other sexual fetish.
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Speaker 1: In fact, when it comes to Freud in particular, many
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Speaker 1: psychologists now feel his research on such topics is flawed
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Speaker 1: at best. That said, there are others who continue to
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Speaker 1: feel he is right in his assumptions, meaning it's all
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Speaker 1: a matter of which side you fall on. Regardless of
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Speaker 1: which one you believe, it's not to suggest there's necessarily
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Speaker 1: a right or wrong answer. I'm simply trying to provide
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Speaker 1: some possible context as to what made Mark Redwine the
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Speaker 1: man he was. It's also not to suggest that those
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Speaker 1: who identify as coprophiliacs are all killers. What led to
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Speaker 1: the death of a child here was clearly a whole
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Speaker 1: separate issue. Basically, it seems like what Mark did boiled
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Speaker 1: down to the deep-rooted sense of shame he suffered from
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Speaker 1: and a desire to make sure no one else found
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Speaker 1: out about his shame, no matter the cost. This now
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Speaker 1: concludes our discussion on fecal matter. After seeing the shocking
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Speaker 1: images they discovered on Mark's computer, Dylan and Corey struggled
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Speaker 1: to figure out what to do next. Should they confront
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Speaker 1: their father and ask what he had been doing, or
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Speaker 1: should they just pretend they never saw it and all
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Speaker 1: move on with their lives? instead? While the latter option
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Speaker 1: would arguably be preferable, it would also be difficult because,
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Speaker 1: in Corey's own words, he found the photos to be disgusting.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it wasn't just the content of them which
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Speaker 1: upset the boy, though. No, it was the fact they
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Speaker 1: now felt like they didn't even know who their father
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Speaker 1: was anymore. After all, if he was able to keep
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Speaker 1: a secret like this from them, then who knew what
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Speaker 1: else he was hiding? Maybe there were all sorts of
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Speaker 1: things they hadn't yet learned about their father. Things that
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Speaker 1: would upset them even more if they were discovered. Really,
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Speaker 1: the only way to deal with the situation was to
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Speaker 1: get everything out in the open. At least initially, the
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Speaker 1: pair felt it was best to say nothing for the
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Speaker 1: time being, as the moment wasn't quite right yet. So
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Speaker 1: that was why they finished up the road trip and
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Speaker 1: then returned home, safe in the knowledge they could now
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Speaker 1: go back to their regular lives for a while. That said,
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Speaker 1: as they soon discovered, going back to normality was no
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Speaker 1: longer a possibility, not after they'd seen what they'd seen,
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Speaker 1: and especially not after the courts had mandated they go
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Speaker 1: back to visit their father semi-regularly after that. Without knowing
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Speaker 1: what else to do, the boys decided they would rip
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Speaker 1: the band-aid off before things got any worse and tell
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Speaker 1: their father they knew about his secret. Corey finally did
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Speaker 1: tell Mark what he knew when, during a text argument
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Speaker 1: with him not long after, he sent him a message
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Speaker 1: which read, quote, Now, obviously, this wasn't an outright confirmation
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Speaker 1: they had seen the photos in question, but Mark had
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Speaker 1: to be savvy enough to understand what the statement implied.
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Speaker 1: Given how hard he had worked to keep this side
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Speaker 1: of himself private up until then, it must have come
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Speaker 1: as quite a shock. Realizing everyone was going to find
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Speaker 1: out soon enough if he didn't do something to stop it,
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Speaker 1: he set about creating a plan that would soon see
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Speaker 1: him go down in infamy. Meanwhile, as he was doing that,
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Speaker 1: Dylan and Corey were coming up with a plan of
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Speaker 1: their own that would lead to at least one of
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Speaker 1: them confronting their father in person and forcing him to
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Speaker 1: give them an explanation of his actions. But how were
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Speaker 1: they going to pull that off? After all, if the
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Speaker 1: only two people who'd seen the compromising photos up until
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Speaker 1: then were his sons, then what was to stop Mark
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Speaker 1: from simply denying they ever existed? Well, while they may
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Speaker 1: have been disgusted by the content they found on their
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Speaker 1: father's computer that fateful day, the pair were at least
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Speaker 1: aware enough to know they should download copies of them
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Speaker 1: in case such a situation occurred in the future. Now,
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Speaker 1: Corey had each and every one of the incriminating images
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Speaker 1: saved to his cell phone. So when Thanksgiving came along
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Speaker 1: in November of 2012, and Dylan's first court-mandated visit to
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Speaker 1: Merck was arranged for that weekend, the younger sibling asked
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Speaker 1: his brother to send him the photos so he could
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Speaker 1: bring them with him. Of course, he knew as soon
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Speaker 1: as he revealed that he had them, it was likely
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Speaker 1: not going to go down well. And maybe that was
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Speaker 1: why he had initially tried to get out of going
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Speaker 1: back to Bayfield at all. In the days prior to
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Speaker 1: his flight, Dylan had begged his mother to let him
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Speaker 1: stay home instead, something she was unable to do as
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Speaker 1: it would have violated the court's ruling. With that not working,
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Speaker 1: Dylan next attempted to set up sleeping arrangements with friends
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Speaker 1: in the area so that he wouldn't have to stay
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Speaker 1: with his father overnight. Unfortunately though, once Mark found out
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Speaker 1: about the plan, he vetoed the idea because as far
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Speaker 1: as he was concerned, this was his time with his son.
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Speaker 1: On top of that, he was already aware his kids
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Speaker 1: knew about his fetish, and he didn't want to risk
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Speaker 1: any more people finding out about it before he could
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Speaker 1: talk to them directly. So despite his pleas on November
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Speaker 1: 18th of that year, Dylan took a flight from Colorado
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Speaker 1: Springs to Durango, where he would be met by his
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Speaker 1: father and from there taken back to his home to
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Speaker 1: stay for the next few days. In this instance, though,
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Speaker 1: Corey would not be joining him because, with him being
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Speaker 1: 20 years old, there was no legal mandate to make
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Speaker 1: him do so anymore. No, the older sibling would instead
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Speaker 1: stay home with his mother and stepfather and celebrate the
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Speaker 1: holiday in a more peaceful manner. Sure, he knew it
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Speaker 1: wasn't going to be a lot of fun for his
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Speaker 1: brother to visit their father alone, but he had faith
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Speaker 1: things would work out for the best in the long
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Speaker 1: run after he confronted him. What he didn't realize at
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Speaker 1: the time, though, was that, rather than seeing Dylan again
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Speaker 1: in a few days, he'd never have any contact with
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Speaker 1: him again. That was because, after arriving at the Durango
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Speaker 1: airport at 5.46pm, the tension quickly became palpable. After all,
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Speaker 1: both father and son were now well aware the other
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Speaker 1: knew about the underlying situation. It was just a case
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Speaker 1: of who was going to bring it up first. And
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Speaker 1: while it's unclear exactly when this conversation did take place,
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Speaker 1: something we do know is that it didn't happen when
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Speaker 1: they first came together that day. As can be seen
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Speaker 1: in airport surveillance footage, the two were seen walking outside together,
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Speaker 1: apparently under civil terms. and when further surveillance footage captured
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Speaker 1: them at a Walmart almost two hours later at 7.05pm,
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Speaker 1: the atmosphere between the two appeared to be similar. The
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Speaker 1: boy's text messages to his mother at that point didn't
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Speaker 1: paint as rosy a picture as. When she asked him
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Speaker 1: if he had met his father okay not long after
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Speaker 1: he had landed, Dylan replied with a message which said
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Speaker 1: he had and then included a frowny face emoji after it.
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Speaker 1: But why would he say anything different? After all, the
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Speaker 1: last place he wanted to be at that moment in
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Speaker 1: time was around his father. All he wanted to do
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Speaker 1: instead was get the whole thing over with as quickly
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Speaker 1: as possible, preferably while spending as much time as he
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Speaker 1: could with friends in the area. On his first night there,
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Speaker 1: in fact, he even made plans to go see an
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Speaker 1: old schoolmate named Ryan. But when Mark heard about the plans,
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Speaker 1: he told his son he'd have to cancel them, as
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Speaker 1: instead they were going out to a restaurant for dinner together.
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Speaker 1: That only increased the unspoken tension between the pair. No
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Speaker 1: longer wanting to be seen in public with the man
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Speaker 1: who had taken the photos which were now burned into
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Speaker 1: his brain, Dylan told him he'd rather just go to
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Speaker 1: a McDonald's drive-thru. perhaps not wanting to antagonize him any further.
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Speaker 1: Mark agreed to that, though first he would make sure
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Speaker 1: his son sent a text to his friend to tell
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Speaker 1: him he wouldn't be showing up, something which Dylan did,
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Speaker 1: albeit not before making plans to see Ryan the following
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Speaker 1: morning at 6.30am instead. Of course, he'd never make it
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Speaker 1: to that meeting, because by then he'd be missing. However,
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Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the last contact he had with anyone,
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Speaker 1: because as late as 9.37pm that evening, he was still
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Speaker 1: texting his mother back and forth. After that, though, the
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Speaker 1: trail went cold. Neither family nor friends would receive any
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Speaker 1: further correspondence from the teenager. That obviously concerned his friend Ryan,
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Speaker 1: as it meant he never showed up the following morning.
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Speaker 1: The next time any news about Dylan came at all,
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Speaker 1: it was 5 p.m. on November 19th, as it was
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Speaker 1: then that Mark went to the local Bayfield Marshal's office
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Speaker 1: to let them know he'd been able to find his
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Speaker 1: son all day. As he described it then, that morning
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Speaker 1: at around 7.30 a.m., he'd tried to wake Dylan up
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Speaker 1: to get him to go run errands with him, but
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Speaker 1: Dylan had refused and said he instead wanted to stay
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Speaker 1: in bed. So leaving him be, Mark went to both
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Speaker 1: his work payroll office and his divorce attorney's office, two
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Speaker 1: visits which were later confirmed to have taken place by
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Speaker 1: the investigators. Mark then returned home at 11.30am to find
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Speaker 1: Dylan gone, but it wasn't just him that was missing. No,
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Speaker 1: all of Dylan's belongings had been taken as well. Apparently
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Speaker 1: not too concerned about the fact that his youngest child
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Speaker 1: was nowhere to be seen, Mark claimed that he took
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Speaker 1: a nap and didn't wake up again until around 2.30pm. Now,
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Speaker 1: for most people, going to sleep under these circumstances would
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Speaker 1: seem baffling. But then the relationship between the pair had
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Speaker 1: already disintegrated so much by then that it was feasible
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Speaker 1: for an outsider to believe Mark assumed Dylan had gone
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Speaker 1: to let off some steam by seeing his friend for
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Speaker 1: a few hours. When 2.30 came and went and the
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Speaker 1: boy was still AWOL, however, his father said he began
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Speaker 1: to worry. That was why, about a half an hour later,
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Speaker 1: he went around the area visiting known friends of Dylan's
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Speaker 1: in hopes that somebody had seen him. No matter how
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Speaker 1: many doors he knocked on, no one could give Mark
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Speaker 1: any information regarding the boy's whereabouts. In fact, when he
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Speaker 1: went to see the friend Dylan was supposed to meet
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Speaker 1: that morning, the supposedly concerned father was told by Ryan
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Speaker 1: that he had been trying to contact his son all
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Speaker 1: day but ultimately had not been able to do so.
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Speaker 1: With no other options left, at around 5pm, Mark finally
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Speaker 1: spoke to the authorities and expressed his concerns. Strangely though,
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Speaker 1: he did not file a missing persons report. On top
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Speaker 1: of that, it wasn't until later in the evening that
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Speaker 1: he contacted Dylan's mother Elaine to explain to her what
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Speaker 1: was happening. Of course, once Elaine heard the news, she
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Speaker 1: had a much different reaction than her ex-husband's more blasé
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Speaker 1: attitude as she immediately got off the phone and called
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Speaker 1: the La Plata County Sheriff's Office to report her child missing.
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Speaker 1: After that, she, Mike, and Corey all got in their
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Speaker 1: car and started driving towards Durango, a drive which would
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Speaker 1: take them around five and a half hours. Obviously, once
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Speaker 1: they arrived, there was no time to waste, and so
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Speaker 1: over the next couple of days, a massive search and
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Speaker 1: rescue operation was carried out in conjunction with not only
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Speaker 1: the police, but also members of the local community who
19:15
Speaker 1: had since been made aware of what had happened. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't just the local community who were getting the word out, though,
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Speaker 1: because pretty quickly news of Dylan's disappearance reached a national level,
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Speaker 1: meaning it would be talked about on a variety of
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Speaker 1: shows such as Nancy Grace and the Investigation Discovery Channel.
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Speaker 1: On top of that... law enforcement would receive several tips
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Speaker 1: from psychics over the next few weeks, each of whom
19:39
Speaker 1: claimed to know what had happened to the young boy
19:41
Speaker 1: and where he could be found. Unfortunately, though, despite the
19:44
Speaker 1: hope being that Dylan had merely run away from home,
19:47
Speaker 1: as the days went on and there was still no
19:49
Speaker 1: sign of him, authorities began to fear the worst. That
19:52
Speaker 1: feeling was only added to by the strange behavior of Mark.
19:56
Speaker 1: Behavior that included him not only neglecting to join in
19:59
Speaker 1: on the search for his son, but also refusing to
20:02
Speaker 1: even come out of his house to speak to coordinators. Sure,
20:06
Speaker 1: you can make an argument that he was grieving, and
20:08
Speaker 1: people often grieve in strange ways, but the idea that
20:11
Speaker 1: a father wouldn't want to do anything he could to
20:14
Speaker 1: save his child seemed baffling to those on the scene.
20:17
Speaker 1: He also seemed insistent that the search, the one he
20:20
Speaker 1: refused to participate in, focus on a large lake about
20:24
Speaker 1: seven miles from his home rather than the forest nearby.
20:28
Speaker 1: It was also noticed that he repeatedly spoke of Dylan
20:31
Speaker 1: in the past tense during a community-led vigil. something that
20:35
Speaker 1: was thought to be odd, to say the least. That
20:38
Speaker 1: was why, when Mark's first wife spoke to investigators soon
20:41
Speaker 1: after and gave them some disturbing information, it led to
20:45
Speaker 1: all eyes starting to look at him as a suspect.
20:48
Speaker 1: According to Betsy Horvath, Mark had told her years prior
20:51
Speaker 1: that if he ever had to get rid of a body,
20:54
Speaker 1: the place to hide it would be out in the mountains. Then,
20:57
Speaker 1: as if that wasn't enough, she also relayed a conversation
21:01
Speaker 1: that took place between them during their divorce when he
21:04
Speaker 1: had said he would kill the kids before he'd ever
21:06
Speaker 1: let her have them. And Betsy wasn't the only one
21:09
Speaker 1: who had concerns about her ex-husband, either. No, as soon
21:13
Speaker 1: as Elaine arrived in La Plata County, both she and
21:15
Speaker 1: her husband felt confident Mark knew more than he was
21:18
Speaker 1: letting on. What else were they supposed to think when
21:21
Speaker 1: they learned that, while being questioned by investigators, he had
21:24
Speaker 1: immediately tried to implicate her in the disappearance? As he
21:28
Speaker 1: put it, obviously it's no secret that I believe Elaine
21:32
Speaker 1: could be involved in this. I don't know how she
21:35
Speaker 1: would do it. I don't know who else she'd have
21:37
Speaker 1: involved with it, but I can't help but think there's
21:39
Speaker 1: a possibility that she had some involvement. Thankfully, the police
21:44
Speaker 1: didn't buy this explanation. It was actually quite the opposite,
21:48
Speaker 1: in fact, because, as a result of gathering evidence against him,
21:51
Speaker 1: they too began to suspect Mark. So that was why,
21:54
Speaker 1: after releasing an official statement on November 28th saying that
21:58
Speaker 1: Dylan Redwine was not being considered a runaway, they searched
22:02
Speaker 1: Mark's house the following afternoon using cadaver dogs. Even if
22:06
Speaker 1: those dogs quickly alerted to the scent of possible human
22:09
Speaker 1: remains that had recently been inside the house, and the
22:12
Speaker 1: blood of Dylan was discovered in numerous spots in both
22:15
Speaker 1: the living room and the back of Mark's pickup truck,
22:18
Speaker 1: it wasn't considered evidence enough to arrest him, since the
22:21
Speaker 1: amounts were just too small. It was legally circumstantial. Mark
22:26
Speaker 1: had even offered what was at the time considered a
22:28
Speaker 1: plausible explanation for the blood when he said that on
22:31
Speaker 1: the night of the 18th after the two had gotten home,
22:34
Speaker 1: they had engaged in some roughhousing. As to what had
22:37
Speaker 1: ultimately become of his son after that, though, well, Mark
22:40
Speaker 1: now changed his stance by arguing Dylan had probably gone
22:44
Speaker 1: hiking and, in the process of doing so, had been
22:47
Speaker 1: accidentally shot by a hunter. That seems oddly specific. Of course,
22:53
Speaker 1: the idea that Dylan took all of his belongings and
22:56
Speaker 1: went hiking only to be accidentally shot was a completely
22:59
Speaker 1: ridiculous theory. Mark was clearly planting the seeds that his
23:03
Speaker 1: child was already dead, which was exactly why Elaine outright
23:06
Speaker 1: accused her ex-husband of being involved at that point. In
23:10
Speaker 1: order to try and calm the situation down and get
23:13
Speaker 1: some more concrete information, each party agreed to take a
23:16
Speaker 1: lie detector test. Unfortunately for Mark, though, the test did
23:20
Speaker 1: not go well for him because while Elaine and her
23:23
Speaker 1: husband Mike passed it with flying colors, he failed miserably,
23:26
Speaker 1: particularly when it came to the question, quote, Do you
23:29
Speaker 1: know where Dylan is? Do you know where Dylan is? Failed. Right.
23:36
Speaker 2: Because I believe that his mom had something to do
23:38
Speaker 2: with this. What's that have to do with.
23:40
Speaker 1: Do you know where Dylan is?
23:41
Speaker 2: Because the way I interpreted the question, do I know
23:43
Speaker 2: where he's at? I don't know where he's at specifically,
23:46
Speaker 2: but I know that Mom has everything.
23:47
Speaker 3: You should have asked that question, don't you think?
23:49
Speaker 2: Do you know where Dylan is? I don't know where
23:52
Speaker 2: he's at. I think I know where he's at. That
23:55
Speaker 2: was how I interpreted the question.
24:03
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense to me either. Are you
24:06
Speaker 3: currently hiding any knowledge.
24:09
Speaker 2: Of Dylan's location?
24:10
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
24:11
Speaker 1: But you failed that?
24:13
Speaker 3: Well, the way it was explained to me, the ones
24:15
Speaker 3: that I was having a problem with was, you know,
24:19
Speaker 3: did I see him after Monday morning, and did I
24:23
Speaker 3: know where he was at? Are you currently hiding any
24:28
Speaker 3: knowledge of Dylan's location? Absolutely not. And you failed?
24:31
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I have no clue where that boy's at.
24:35
Speaker 2: I think I know where he's at, and I think
24:37
Speaker 2: he's with his mom. I have no doubt that somehow
24:40
Speaker 2: she's got her fingers tied to this.
24:42
Speaker 3: What's that have to do with, are you currently hiding
24:45
Speaker 3: any knowledge of Dylan's location?
24:50
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't understand the question I was being asked.
24:56
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, dude.
24:59
Speaker 3: As you can imagine, in my line of work, and
25:01
Speaker 3: I've been doing this for 20 years, I look at
25:03
Speaker 3: a lot of fucking liars.
25:05
Speaker 1: I see a lot of fucking liars.
25:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. Now, I always point out that polygraph
25:10
Speaker 2: tests are notoriously unreliable, and so failing it doesn't necessarily
25:13
Speaker 2: mean anything in itself.
25:25
Speaker 1: Them being easily manipulated or affected by things such as
25:29
Speaker 1: nerves is the reason they aren't admissible in court. But
25:32
Speaker 1: with there already being so much evidence pointing in Mark's direction,
25:36
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a great leap to say police considered
25:39
Speaker 1: him a person of interest at that point, even if
25:41
Speaker 1: he wasn't an official suspect. The only question was, would
25:45
Speaker 1: anyone be able to prove his involvement and, in the process,
25:49
Speaker 1: allow the authorities to formally charge him? In order to
25:53
Speaker 1: do that, what they needed was a smoking gun, something
25:56
Speaker 1: that would serve as undeniable proof that this man hurt
25:59
Speaker 1: his own son. They got one step closer to finding
26:02
Speaker 1: that proof when Corey informed the investigation team about the
26:05
Speaker 1: photos he had of his father saved on his phone.
26:09
Speaker 1: For as guilty as that made Mark look, it still
26:12
Speaker 1: wasn't proof enough that he'd been involved in the possible
26:15
Speaker 1: death of his own flesh and blood. While people close
26:18
Speaker 1: to the case now feared he had done something truly unforgivable,
26:21
Speaker 1: as far as the law was concerned, he was a
26:24
Speaker 1: free man. Free enough to join Elaine and Corey on
26:27
Speaker 1: an episode of the Dr. Phil show in February of 2013,
26:29
Speaker 1: where they discussed the case in front of a nationwide
26:34
Speaker 1: audience of millions. On the show, things would get particularly
26:38
Speaker 1: awkward when Mark was confronted with the now infamous photos
26:41
Speaker 1: of him that had spread online for all to see.
26:44
Speaker 1: As he argued, though, there was nothing real about those images.
26:48
Speaker 1: He claimed that they were clearly photoshopped and just another
26:51
Speaker 1: way to make him look guilty over something he hadn't done.
26:55
Speaker 1: Of course, few watching believed that to be true, and
26:58
Speaker 1: Mark was only made to look even guiltier when Dr.
27:00
Speaker 1: Phil asked each party to take a polygraph in order
27:03
Speaker 1: to find out if they knew where Dylan was, and
27:06
Speaker 1: he outright refused to participate. Soon after, Elaine questioned why
27:10
Speaker 1: he would refuse to take the test if he was
27:12
Speaker 1: truly incident. Well, the answer to that was obvious. He'd
27:16
Speaker 1: already failed one, and he didn't want to fail a
27:18
Speaker 1: second one on television, especially as it would further implicate
27:22
Speaker 1: him in what was now looking increasingly like a murder case.
27:25
Speaker 1: It was likely that Elaine was unaware that Mark had
27:28
Speaker 1: failed the first test, though. Even when authorities questioned him
27:32
Speaker 1: again after the TV interview, giving him several opportunities to
27:36
Speaker 1: admit what he had done, he repeatedly denied knowing anything
27:40
Speaker 1: or that he had done a single thing wrong at all.
27:42
Speaker 1: It was beginning to feel like no further movement would
27:45
Speaker 1: ever be made in Dylan's case. That was until a
27:49
Speaker 1: breakthrough was finally reached on June 27, 2013, when the
27:53
Speaker 1: partial remains of a young boy wearing the same clothes
27:57
Speaker 1: Dylan had on in the Walmart security footage were discovered
28:00
Speaker 1: on Middle Mountain Road, roughly 100 yards off of an
28:03
Speaker 1: AV trail and about 8 miles or 13 kilometers away
28:07
Speaker 1: from Mark's house. What made that location even more damning
28:11
Speaker 1: for the prime suspect was that, just a couple of
28:13
Speaker 1: months prior, he'd been seen by Elaine's husband, Mike, driving
28:17
Speaker 1: alone around that area, all before leaving town for good.
28:22
Speaker 1: That's right, in April of 2013, the father of four
28:26
Speaker 1: had fled town, something that was seen as highly strange
28:29
Speaker 1: at the time, but also something the investigators were powerless
28:32
Speaker 1: to stop as he still hadn't been formally charged. Of course,
28:36
Speaker 1: now with the discovery of his son's remains in one
28:38
Speaker 1: of the last known locations he'd been seen in the area,
28:42
Speaker 1: it only made them wish they'd charged him while they
28:44
Speaker 1: had the chance. Even that wasn't the only thing that
28:47
Speaker 1: made police want to bring Mark in for additional questioning, though, as,
28:51
Speaker 1: after the corpse was discovered, he reportedly told his older
28:55
Speaker 1: son Corey during a rare phone conversation that the rest
28:58
Speaker 1: of Dylan's body, including his skull, would have to be
29:01
Speaker 1: found before investigators could determine if blunt force trauma was
29:05
Speaker 1: the cause of death. Despite his refusal to return to
29:10
Speaker 1: La Plata County to speak to investigators, Mark still wouldn't
29:14
Speaker 1: be named a formal suspect in what was now very
29:17
Speaker 1: clearly a murder. That wouldn't happen until a full two
29:20
Speaker 1: years later, and not before a second search was carried
29:23
Speaker 1: out on his home where cadaver dogs once again identified
29:26
Speaker 1: the scent of a possible dead body that had been
29:29
Speaker 1: there previously. Even if he was now an official suspect
29:32
Speaker 1: and more than likely the man who committed the crime,
29:35
Speaker 1: he was still right about one thing, and that was
29:38
Speaker 1: that the police needed to find the skulls. in order
29:40
Speaker 1: to fully ascertain a cause of death. So, it's just
29:44
Speaker 1: as well it was finally unearthed by two hikers in
29:46
Speaker 1: November of 2015. approximately one mile or 1.6 kilometers from
29:52
Speaker 1: the location where the rest of the body had been
29:54
Speaker 1: discovered two and a half years earlier. It was at
29:57
Speaker 1: that point, and only at that point, that after confirming
30:00
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma had indeed occurred, and that it was
30:03
Speaker 1: highly unlikely that an animal was responsible for the skull
30:06
Speaker 1: being so far apart from the rest of Dylan's remains,
30:09
Speaker 1: that the case was officially deemed to be a homicide investigation.
30:14
Speaker 1: But even after that, Mark still wouldn't be arrested for
30:17
Speaker 1: another two years as it took that long for police
30:20
Speaker 1: to build a concrete enough case against him to where
30:22
Speaker 1: they felt comfortable putting him on trial. Once they had
30:26
Speaker 1: that though, and once a new district attorney was elected,
30:29
Speaker 1: someone who'd been working on the Dylan Redwine case for
30:32
Speaker 1: a while by then, a formal arrest would be approved.
30:35
Speaker 1: On July 22, 2017, at the father's new home in Bellingham, Washington,
30:41
Speaker 1: Mark was arrested and charged with both second-degree murder and
30:45
Speaker 1: child abuse resulting in death. Finally, after all that time,
30:50
Speaker 1: justice seemed to be near for Dylan. It was something
30:53
Speaker 1: that his family were overjoyed to hear, as having to
30:56
Speaker 1: watch Mark roam around as a free man for the
30:58
Speaker 1: past 24 months despite it being clear to them he'd
31:02
Speaker 1: committed the murder was enough to drive them near insane.
31:05
Speaker 1: That mindset hadn't helped by the fact they were still
31:08
Speaker 1: grieving themselves, constantly seeking a closure which couldn't come until
31:12
Speaker 1: the killer was caught. Now that he was being held
31:16
Speaker 1: in La Plata County Jail after having been extradited back
31:19
Speaker 1: to Colorado, they could begin preparing themselves for the upcoming
31:22
Speaker 1: trial where it seemed obvious to everyone involved what the
31:26
Speaker 1: end result would be. Not that Mark wouldn't be putting
31:29
Speaker 1: up a fight, however. No, he would continue to protest
31:32
Speaker 1: his innocence even then. And when he wasn't doing that,
31:35
Speaker 1: he was helping his legal team to consistently push back
31:38
Speaker 1: the trial date. As happened once in November of 2018,
31:41
Speaker 1: a second time in September of 2019 when his attorney
31:46
Speaker 1: was arrested for assault and domestic violence, of course, and
31:50
Speaker 1: then a third time in April of 2020 as a
31:53
Speaker 1: result of the pandemic. As that was going on, the
31:57
Speaker 1: mother of his son, Elaine, was simultaneously making sure the
32:00
Speaker 1: story remained in the public eye by pushing the Justice
32:03
Speaker 1: for Dylan Redwine movement. a grassroots campaign which, amongst other things,
32:08
Speaker 1: fought to get a new law passed in the state
32:10
Speaker 1: of Colorado which upgraded abuse of a corpse charges from
32:14
Speaker 1: misdemeanors to third-degree felonies. Elaine believed that Mark had moved
32:18
Speaker 1: their son's remains after he had died, likely because he
32:22
Speaker 1: felt it was at greater risk of being found where
32:24
Speaker 1: it was. If that was indeed the case and he
32:27
Speaker 1: was found guilty of such an act, it would mean
32:30
Speaker 1: even if he wasn't convicted of the murder itself, he
32:32
Speaker 1: would still see prison time. That proved to be a
32:35
Speaker 1: smart decision on her part because, by the time the
32:38
Speaker 1: trial actually began in June of 2021, the prosecution were
32:43
Speaker 1: unable to push for first-degree murder as they were simply
32:46
Speaker 1: unable to find any evidence of there being premeditated planning involved. Still,
32:51
Speaker 1: there was plenty of evidence to suggest Mark had killed
32:54
Speaker 1: Dylan regardless. Evidence that included the suspicious nature of his
32:58
Speaker 1: behavior immediately after the disappearance, his damning appearance on Dr. Phil,
33:03
Speaker 1: and the traces of blood found all throughout his home. Sure,
33:07
Speaker 1: there was only minimal blood discovered at the scene, far
33:10
Speaker 1: less than the average person would expect to find following
33:13
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma to the head, but as a forensic
33:16
Speaker 1: expert at the trial would state upon cross-examination, While blunt
33:20
Speaker 1: force injuries could easily result in death, they may leave
33:24
Speaker 1: behind very little actual blood, if any at all. Then,
33:27
Speaker 1: of course, there were also the photos showing Mark engaging
33:30
Speaker 1: in his secret sexual fetish. As far as the prosecutors
33:34
Speaker 1: were concerned, this showed a very clear motive as to
33:37
Speaker 1: why he would do what he did, because, with him
33:39
Speaker 1: no doubt being scared such images would become known to
33:42
Speaker 1: the rest of his family and friends, he had every
33:44
Speaker 1: reason to kill his son in order to keep that quiet.
33:47
Speaker 1: To the prosecution, this was an open and shut case,
33:51
Speaker 1: especially as additional testimony later heard from Mark's neighbors would
33:55
Speaker 1: describe his inconsistent and unusual behavior in the days immediately
33:59
Speaker 1: following the crime. But he was prepared for that attack
34:02
Speaker 1: on his character, or at least his legal team was,
34:05
Speaker 1: because when they had a chance to present their side
34:08
Speaker 1: of the story, they pushed the idea that it was
34:11
Speaker 1: impossible for the accused to get a fair trial as
34:14
Speaker 1: everyone had been prejudiced against him from the start. Elaine
34:17
Speaker 1: had been publicly claiming that he had killed Dylan for
34:20
Speaker 1: years now, and as a result of both that and
34:23
Speaker 1: the massive media attention the case had gotten, most automatically
34:27
Speaker 1: assumed it was the reality of the situation. The defense
34:31
Speaker 1: even presented numerous Facebook pages the grieving mother had made,
34:34
Speaker 1: each of which called for her ex-husband's arrest, as evidence
34:37
Speaker 1: that she had a vendetta against him, and that it
34:40
Speaker 1: was this vendetta which led to public sentiment turning on
34:43
Speaker 1: the suspected killer early on. When it came to the
34:46
Speaker 1: physical evidence, such as the damage to the boy's skull, well,
34:50
Speaker 1: that wasn't as clear-cut as it seemed, according to the defense.
34:53
Speaker 1: As per the testimony of an expert witness they brought
34:56
Speaker 1: to the stand, there was no way of saying for
34:58
Speaker 1: certain exactly when the fracture to Dylan's skull had occurred.
35:02
Speaker 1: On top of that, the fact that the skull was
35:05
Speaker 1: found separate from the rest of the body was not
35:07
Speaker 1: particularly unusual, as there was always still the possibility animals
35:11
Speaker 1: had carried it away post-mortem. And that last point was
35:14
Speaker 1: particularly important to the case as they were now arguing that,
35:18
Speaker 1: if the damage had indeed happened to Dylan's head on
35:20
Speaker 1: or around the time of his death, then the culprits
35:23
Speaker 1: could very well have been local animals. As a forensic
35:27
Speaker 1: anthropologist who'd been called to the Stanwood State, there were
35:30
Speaker 1: tons of mountain lions, bears, and coyotes in the area
35:33
Speaker 1: where the remains were discovered, and those couldn't be ruled
35:37
Speaker 1: out as being the ones who had killed him. Clearly then,
35:40
Speaker 1: based on what was taking place, the play was not
35:42
Speaker 1: to provide a concrete alternative explanation as to how Dylan
35:46
Speaker 1: had died, but instead to provide enough reasonable doubt as
35:50
Speaker 1: to whether or not Mark himself had been the killer.
35:53
Speaker 1: Maybe that was why he never actually took the stand himself,
35:56
Speaker 1: as it was probably likelier he'd get caught in a
35:58
Speaker 1: lie if he did so. This hurt him more in
36:01
Speaker 1: the end as it was later commented by many at
36:03
Speaker 1: the trial that, even after seeing photos of his son,
36:07
Speaker 1: he barely reacted at all and he never once cried.
36:10
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Mark, that combined with all of the other
36:13
Speaker 1: evidence against him was eventually enough to seal his fate.
36:17
Speaker 1: After six hours of deliberation, the jury returned with guilty
36:21
Speaker 1: verdicts on both the charges of second-degree murder and child abuse.
36:25
Speaker 1: Mark maintained that he was innocent of all charges and
36:28
Speaker 1: that the conviction was a fake. As far as he
36:31
Speaker 1: was concerned, in fact, what had taken place in that
36:33
Speaker 1: courtroom was nothing more than a miscarriage of justice and
36:37
Speaker 1: a sham trial intended to unfairly crucify him for something
36:40
Speaker 1: he hadn't done. Chief Judge Jeffrey Wilson saw things differently, however,
36:45
Speaker 1: and it was something he would state in his closing
36:47
Speaker 1: comments to the newly convicted. As he put it, quote,
36:51
Speaker 1: Instead of that, you inflicted enough injury on him to
36:53
Speaker 1: kill him in your living room. After the passion of
37:09
Speaker 1: whatever caused you to act the way you did subsided,
37:12
Speaker 1: you didn't think about Dylan. You thought about yourself. You
37:16
Speaker 1: sanitized the crime scene. You hid Dylan's body and you
37:19
Speaker 1: went so far as to remove his head from the
37:22
Speaker 1: rest of his body. Once that had been stated for
37:25
Speaker 1: the record, Judge Wilson went a step further by handing
37:28
Speaker 1: down his sentence. Again, in his own words, quote, You'll
37:32
Speaker 1: receive 1,540 days of credit for time served. 48 years
37:52
Speaker 1: is a long time for a man who was by
37:54
Speaker 1: this point already in middle age. In fact, it's entirely
37:58
Speaker 1: possible that the killer father would never see freedom again. Sure,
38:02
Speaker 1: he would file an appeal against his conviction in November
38:05
Speaker 1: of 2021, with him citing the same reasons there as
38:09
Speaker 1: he had upon being sentenced. But as of the time
38:11
Speaker 1: of this recording, it's impossible to say what the result
38:14
Speaker 1: of his appeal will be. It seems highly unlikely it
38:17
Speaker 1: could possibly end in anything close to an early release.
38:21
Speaker 1: The evidence is just too strong for there to be
38:23
Speaker 1: any reasonable doubt about what Mark did. That's why Elaine
38:27
Speaker 1: is only too happy to see him remain in prison
38:30
Speaker 1: for the rest of his natural life. As she would
38:32
Speaker 1: state when interviewed after the result of the trial had
38:35
Speaker 1: been delivered, It's justice as far as justice can go.
38:39
Speaker 1: There will never be enough time for taking Dylan's life.
38:42
Speaker 1: But at least he hopefully won't get out. Hopefully, he'll
38:45
Speaker 1: die in prison. Even now, over a decade later, she
38:49
Speaker 1: still struggles with the reality that her son is gone forever,
38:53
Speaker 1: particularly whenever the anniversary of his death comes around in November.
38:58
Speaker 1: She is kept as strong as possible, if for no
39:00
Speaker 1: other reason than because she still has another son to
39:03
Speaker 1: think of. But she needn't worry too much about him,
39:06
Speaker 1: because as far as Corey is concerned, while he's still
39:09
Speaker 1: grieving over his brother and likely always will be, He
39:12
Speaker 1: has managed to move on with his life to the
39:14
Speaker 1: point he now works for the Department of Human Services
39:17
Speaker 1: in Cannon City. There, he plays a pivotal role in
39:20
Speaker 1: advocating for children in need, something he does in honor
39:23
Speaker 1: of Dylan. On top of that, he's also built a
39:26
Speaker 1: family of his own as he and his high school
39:28
Speaker 1: sweetheart are married now and have two young children together.
39:31
Speaker 1: While caring for them takes up the majority of his days,
39:35
Speaker 1: he still can't help but occasionally think about where his
39:37
Speaker 1: younger sibling might be today if he was still alive.
39:41
Speaker 1: By all accounts, he was a kid loved by those
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Speaker 1: who knew him and one who had a bright future ahead.
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Speaker 1: So it's just unfortunate that fate would lead him to
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Speaker 1: stumble upon some hidden photos of his father one day as,
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Speaker 1: in the end, it was a moment that sealed his fate. Still,
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Speaker 1: even if a child like that has now been lost
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Speaker 1: from the world, his goal of confronting his father and
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Speaker 1: exposing his secret has been achieved in the long run.
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Speaker 1: In perhaps the greatest irony of all, despite killing his
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Speaker 1: son in order to keep his private photos secure, the
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Speaker 1: subsequent trial would see these be leaked out to the
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Speaker 1: internet anyway, freely available for all to see. While that
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Speaker 1: ultimately makes the death of his son even more pointless,
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Speaker 1: there is a certain sense of satisfaction that can be
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Speaker 1: taken knowing that Mark Redwine didn't get what he wanted,
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Speaker 1: and that his biggest punishment will now be being forced
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Speaker 1: to live with the fact that everyone knows who he
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Speaker 1: truly is. Not just a man with a secret, but
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Speaker 1: also a cold-blooded monster. If you're the victim of domestic abuse,
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Speaker 1: please reach out to someone for help. Please talk to
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Speaker 1: your local shelter or call the National Domestic Abuse Hotline
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Speaker 1: at 1-800-799-SAFE. That's 1-800-799-7233. Or you can go to thehotline.org
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Speaker 1: to chat with someone online. This website is set up
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Speaker 1: so that, at any time, hitting the escape key twice
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Speaker 1: will take you to a Google search page. That way,
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Speaker 1: if your abuser is nearby, you won't get caught seeking help.
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Speaker 1: If you're having feelings of harming yourself or someone else,
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Speaker 1: or even just need someone to talk to, please contact
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Speaker 1: your local mental health facility. Call 911 or call the
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Speaker 1: National Suicide Prevention Hotline by simply dialing 988 in the
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Speaker 1: United States. They're available 24 hours a day, 7 days
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Speaker 1: a week, and will talk to you about any mental
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Speaker 1: health issue you may be facing. If you are a
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Speaker 1: member of the LGBTQ plus community and suffering from discrimination, depression,
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Speaker 1: or are in need of any support, please contact the
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Speaker 1: LGBT National Hotline at 1-888-843-4564 or go to lgbthotline.org. Thanks again,
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Speaker 1: and be safe.