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Reality Steve on Bachelor Nation, Taylor Frankie Paul & Reality TV’s Biggest Stories · In My Hometown

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SPEAKER_04: For nearly two decades, he's been breaking stories, exposing behind-the-scenes secrets, and changing the way fans follow reality TV.
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SPEAKER_04: We've got reality Steve, also known as Steve Carbone.
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SPEAKER_04: He's on the couch.
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SPEAKER_04: You're in my hometown with Jamie and Pascal.
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SPEAKER_04: Hi.
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SPEAKER_03: Hi.
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SPEAKER_04: Hi, Steve.
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SPEAKER_03: How are you, Steve?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm doing great.
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SPEAKER_00: And that intro, when you said he's been spoiling for over 20 years, my gosh, that makes me feel old.
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SPEAKER_00: Or just been at it for over 20 years now.
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SPEAKER_00: My gosh.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the spoiling is coming up a little over 16 years now for spoiling.
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SPEAKER_04: It is wild.
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SPEAKER_00: My first spoiler was 2009.
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SPEAKER_00: And I from 2003 to 2009, I just recapped the show and did stuff like that.
0:48
SPEAKER_00: And uh, but then yeah, came out 2009, first spoiler, and then ever since then.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, we're looking at 17 years now of in spoiling.
0:56
SPEAKER_00: That is unbelievable to me.
0:58
SPEAKER_03: Well, it's incredible because you know, you and I had a chance to spend some time this weekend and ask you, how do you get your information?
1:05
SPEAKER_03: How do you get because Jimmy and I we like to have those information, we like to have the underground uh story to come up uh uh ahead of the game.
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SPEAKER_03: So how do you get your information?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, Pascal, if I tell you my sources, I'd have to kill you.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, the I I will admit, and I I think I've said this a lot of times over the years, is that with the advent of social media, it's become a lot easier because everyone has access to everybody now.
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SPEAKER_00: Anybody can contact me, whether it's on my email, whether it's on my Twitter account, whether it's on my TikTok, whether it's on my Instagram.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of people just come to me and it's it's a lot of um what's the uh I'm totally blanking on the phrase here, but social networking or social uh I'm totally blanking, but anyway, it's so easy to get a hold of me.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's really the way it's come about.
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SPEAKER_00: Like everybody just they know because I've been doing it for so long and I'm the only guy that has done it for 16 years consistently.
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SPEAKER_00: Anytime anybody hears something and they know something about the show, it is like, oh, well, I'll tell reality Steve, he's the spoiler guy.
2:06
SPEAKER_00: So that's the way it comes about.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: And did I ever expect it to be this?
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SPEAKER_00: No, because when I got my first spoiler back in 2009, at that point I was like, Okay, well, I got a spoiler for Jason Mesnick's season.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: The next season was Gillian Harris.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I have no idea if I was gonna get any spoilers because it was just every season is independent of each other.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's been crazy.
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SPEAKER_04: Like what did the producers think of it at first?
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SPEAKER_04: They they didn't like it at first, but they changed or they still don't like it.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't like you.
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SPEAKER_00: They don't they don't like me.
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SPEAKER_00: And from what from what I've been told, it's more along the lines of privately, I don't think they care.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm free advertising for this show.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not spoiling the show so somebody doesn't watch The Bachelor of the Bachelorette.
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SPEAKER_00: When you know the spoilers, you're just watching it differently because you know what's coming in terms of elimination.
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SPEAKER_00: So you're looking for certain edits.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been told privately, they don't care.
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SPEAKER_00: Publicly, they'll never acknowledge me because they don't want to turn people on to me who have no idea.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh wait, this guy's already given out the winner, and maybe that would turn people off.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't personally think it is.
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SPEAKER_00: The other thing that I've been told is the thing that really bothers them the most is spoiling the ending.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: Because look, when they get to hometown dates, they're doing it usually out in the open.
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SPEAKER_00: Like when Pascal had his hometown date here in Chicago, somebody sent me a picture of Joan and Pascal filming at my hometown restaurant.
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SPEAKER_00: Good plug for them, by the way.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh we love them.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: And then um, and then the next day that Jordan had a hometown date, and somebody sent me a picture of them walking on those steps over there somewhere in Chicago.
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SPEAKER_00: And so they're not trying to hide that.
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SPEAKER_00: So they clearly don't care about that spoiler.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's the end because they just kind of want to have a surprise.
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SPEAKER_00: But honestly, for me, I'm just been doing this so long.
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SPEAKER_00: I've had so many people reach out to me and say, you just give me a different way to watch the show.
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SPEAKER_04: You what you're saying is exactly a conversation that I just had the other day.
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SPEAKER_04: It is, it may, it's a different experience because a lot of people, I don't know about you, Pascal, and if you like spoilers, but a lot of people do like to know the ending of something.
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SPEAKER_04: And then your experience watching it feels different because then you're sort of seeing are the producers or is the show sort of trying to drive me in a certain way, or am I picking up on other things?
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SPEAKER_04: It does, it adds an element to it.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know what's crazy?
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SPEAKER_00: I've said this numerous times.
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SPEAKER_00: I am not a person that wants to know the ending of a movie before I go see it.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't read the end of a book before I see it.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't like to be spoiled on anything.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the only thing in my life that I care to be spoiled on is this show because, and I've said Survivor's my all-time favorite show.
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SPEAKER_00: That is a prize for a million dollars, and there's not a lot of producer manipulation on that show because you can't.
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SPEAKER_00: There's money involved.
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SPEAKER_00: This, what is the prize?
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SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, probably a failed engagement.
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SPEAKER_00: So, who who cares if you know who cares if you know the ending before you get to the final episode?
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SPEAKER_03: So, let me let's get to the direct question in here.
5:10
SPEAKER_03: I just uh Jenny May and I just saw the last uh post you did about uh uh Taylor Frankie Paul and uh she's gonna be hearing.
5:18
SPEAKER_03: How did you hear she's gonna be hearing and how do you feel about airing the show?
5:24
SPEAKER_00: Man, I've gone back and forth on this.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, when Taylor Frankie Paul was first announced as The Bachelorette September 10th of 2025, the very next day I came on my podcast and said, I've never seen an episode of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but I'm on the entertainment sites all day long.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm very well aware of her backstory.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and I said, I don't get it.
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SPEAKER_00: I had a lot of people emailing me saying, Steve, this isn't gonna work out.
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SPEAKER_00: She's still hung up on Dakota.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, who's Dakota?
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SPEAKER_00: Obviously, as time went on, I'm very well aware now of their background and their story.
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SPEAKER_00: But when it came out, the very next day, I came on the air and I said, Look, it's not like she doesn't deserve a second chance at love.
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SPEAKER_00: I understand that she made a horrible mistake and she had pled guilty to an aggravated assault.
6:08
SPEAKER_00: She has served her time, not in, you know, not particularly jail time, but she has she has had whatever penalties that she needed.
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SPEAKER_00: She's gone into therapy.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm I understand why they went for her and why they chose her because of her following.
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SPEAKER_00: 2.8 million on Instagram, 7 million on TikTok, ABC, Hulu are both under the Disney umbrella.
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SPEAKER_00: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is an incredibly popular show for Hulu, if not their most popular reality show.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was like, why don't we just make one of our most popular women from our most popular reality show our Bachelorette?
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SPEAKER_00: It's just corporate synergy at this point.
6:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
6:47
SPEAKER_00: And I said, I have no problem with them going the celebrity route because for years, every time a new lead was announced, it was like, okay, Jen from this season of The Bachelor uh is gonna come.
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SPEAKER_00: Now she's gonna be our bachelorette.
6:59
SPEAKER_00: For 15 years and almost 30 seasons, the lead of the show was from a previous season, if not the season that had literally just aired.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was just the natural progression of we watched their journey on the show, and people had developed a parasocial relationship with that person.
7:17
SPEAKER_00: They saw them get dumped, so they want to see them succeed and find love.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: And then, but I had people after 30 years of it, 30 seasons of it, like, why don't they just choose somebody new?
7:26
SPEAKER_00: Why don't they go outside the franchise?
7:28
SPEAKER_00: And then they finally do, and they chose Taylor Frankie Paul, yet she's got a domestic violence charge from 2023.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a Mormon, she can't leave Utah, she's got three kids from two different men.
7:39
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I understand the celebrity route you wanted to go because you're gonna get all the people that follow her on the socials, of course, they're gonna want to watch her as the bachelorette, but she didn't deserve that spot as the lead of this show.
7:54
SPEAKER_00: She just didn't because Pascal, you and I talked about this.
7:58
SPEAKER_00: We all know if it was flipped around and if it was a man that was announced, hey, our new bachelor is this guy.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: He's not from the franchise, but his name is John Smith.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: He's a CEO here in Chicago, financier.
8:10
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, by the way, he's got a DV charge where he threw a bar stool at his girlfriend three uh three years ago and he got charged with aggravated assault.
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SPEAKER_00: That never would have flown with the audience.
8:19
SPEAKER_00: So why did it fly with her?
8:21
SPEAKER_00: Um there would have been pitchforks outside of ABC by the the women fan base that watched this franchise saying, why would you let a guy who has a domestic violence charge against a woman as your lead, as your bachelor?
8:34
SPEAKER_00: And I guess ABC would have just given the same answer.
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SPEAKER_00: He's paid his dues, he's recovered, he's and I just I think it should have been the same standard for her.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: I've got no problem with them casting a celebrity and finally breaking the mold of not casting somebody who was a previous lead on the previous contestant on the show.
8:51
SPEAKER_00: No problem with that.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: I just don't think it should have been her.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, she had too much baggage, and not baggage because just because she has kids or whatever.
8:57
SPEAKER_00: That's not what I'm talking about.
8:59
SPEAKER_00: Why somebody that has that in their past?
9:02
SPEAKER_00: It just never made sense to me.
9:04
SPEAKER_04: We agree.
9:05
SPEAKER_04: We've talked about that.
9:06
SPEAKER_04: We don't disagree.
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SPEAKER_04: Jimmy and I agree on that.
9:07
SPEAKER_03: Uh absolutely.
9:08
SPEAKER_03: I just think that that was the wrong choice.
9:10
SPEAKER_03: I I agreed, and she had a millions of followers, and that's what uh ABC and and and Hulu was looking for, which they have.
9:18
SPEAKER_03: Um I think I know then when I was in the bachelor, I went to a background, uh, criminal background investigation.
9:25
SPEAKER_03: They checked my record and everything, and they were pretty tall about my my lawsuit I have with a few of my former employees.
9:33
SPEAKER_03: And I'm surprised then that red flag with uh Frank Intelopol didn't get so high to say, hey, look, we we we have a problem in our hand.
9:42
SPEAKER_03: Uh that's Jimmy and I are still troubled by that.
9:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they were either I don't think it was so much they were asleep at the wheel.
9:49
SPEAKER_04: I think that until there's video of something, it doesn't happen.
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SPEAKER_04: Like it's not real.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: I think I think what's interesting is because like I almost wonder how much vetting did ABC do?
10:01
SPEAKER_00: Because if you've watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, first season, first episode, they literally show the night of the incident, but they don't show what happened on the inside.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: They only had the footage of the police cam footage of the cop arriving, talking to her outside.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: She's clearly out of her mind, drunk.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: I think she was more than drinking that night.
10:22
SPEAKER_00: I thought it was something else because she almost seemed possessed that night.
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SPEAKER_00: Her eyes were totally in a different galaxy.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: And they built a whole franchise around a DV incident in the very first episode.
10:35
SPEAKER_00: So clearly, Hulu didn't care.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: And so it's like, okay, you just and you just had four seasons of it air before her Bachelorette season was set to air.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: So I'm wondering if ABC was just like, hey, we know she had an incident.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: But who it was good enough for Hulu and we're under the same umbrella as Hulu, so we'll just let her be.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: I think and the thing is like they're never going to be transparent about this.
11:00
SPEAKER_00: I wonder when they were interviewing her, if they said, Hey, Taylor, is there anything that could get out about this?
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SPEAKER_00: Is there any video footage that could be released that could make us look bad?
11:13
SPEAKER_00: And either she lied and said no, or she said, Yes, but I don't think it'll ever get out.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: I the thing is we don't know any of this stuff because they'll never be transparent about it.
11:22
SPEAKER_04: But And maybe she was just so out of her mind she didn't know that video existed.
11:25
SPEAKER_04: I don't, yeah, who knows?
11:27
SPEAKER_04: The quite the big question though is given that they spent so much on this, and again, we've talked a lot about this.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, they, you know, I mean, people, um, people's livelihoods, they spent millions and millions of dollars.
11:38
SPEAKER_04: So they they definitely want to try to air it still.
11:41
SPEAKER_04: So will they air it and will people watch?
11:45
SPEAKER_03: I I I personally think then airinet is a is a smart move.
11:49
SPEAKER_03: I think it's gonna generate a tremendous amount of revenue from commercial because I think people are anxious to see the trend rack.
11:57
SPEAKER_04: Right.
11:57
SPEAKER_04: Even though we know how it ends.
11:58
SPEAKER_03: Exactly, we know how it ends, but people still want to see it.
12:01
SPEAKER_03: And my my only concern, and Steve and I talk about it over the weekend, is what's gonna happen after that?
12:07
SPEAKER_03: What is the standard of ABC to choose the next bachelor, bachelorette?
12:12
SPEAKER_03: Where are they going then?
12:14
SPEAKER_03: If they allow that to happen with Frankie Taylor Paul, knowing that she was convicted, she they could hire a criminal who just gets out of jail, and you know, but he's they serve his time.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean I I'm I'm thinking right now, we already like there's nothing we can do about her season.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna air.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: We don't know the exact premiere date yet, but it's going to air, and it is going to not only will it, it's obviously clearly it's already been filmed, it's gonna air.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing we can do.
12:41
SPEAKER_00: My big thing, as I was telling Pascal earlier this weekend, was at this point, this next hire, which is Bachelor is coming back in 2027, that's gonna be the key.
12:53
SPEAKER_00: And they essentially have four choices.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: They either choose one of Taylor Frankie Paul's men, they either choose a random person just like they brought in Taylor Frankie Paul from uh the past, they choose a celebrity, some sort of influencer, or they choose a former contestant from the show in a past season, not one of Taylor Frankie Paul's men, but somebody that we know from the franchise.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: Those are the four choices you make.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: And right now, we have no idea what they're thinking, where they're going.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: I I would hope after this Taylor Frankie Paul incident, whoever they choose, you can't just find some sort of quick Google search and find out what they've done in their past.
13:34
SPEAKER_00: And it's and it's a problematic pass.
13:36
SPEAKER_00: If they want to go the celebrity route with a bachelor, I'm fine.
13:39
SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure they could do that.
13:40
SPEAKER_00: I know the names that have been thrown around.
13:41
SPEAKER_00: Rob Roush, Robert Irwin.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: Apparently, Robert Irwin now is dating somebody.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I guess he's out.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Rob Rausch that won traders was on Love Island.
13:52
SPEAKER_00: He's very well liked in the reality TV world.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: I guess he's a possibility, but I I don't know what his status is.
14:00
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I have no idea where they're going.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: I just know if they make the wrong choice, I think it's the death knell of the franchise.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: I think that'll be it.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: They'll show Paradise next summer, and after that, I would think they're done if they can't get this right.
14:13
SPEAKER_04: And that's the clip right there, right there, Steve, because it's the death knell.
14:17
SPEAKER_04: It really, this is the make or break for that, for that franchise in a way.
14:21
SPEAKER_04: What do you also think?
14:22
SPEAKER_04: We're talking about the the the main character, right?
14:26
SPEAKER_04: The person they're gonna choose.
14:27
SPEAKER_04: What do you think uh do they need to make a change to how it's being produced?
14:32
SPEAKER_04: You I know you follow Love Island, which is like the show right now.
14:36
SPEAKER_04: Everyone's obsessed.
14:37
SPEAKER_04: My my daughters are obsessed with it, my husband's obsessed with it.
14:42
SPEAKER_04: Um they do it more in real time.
14:44
SPEAKER_04: Do you think that that's what The Bachelor franchise should be doing?
14:47
SPEAKER_00: I I I know a lot of people have suggested why does The Bachelor turn around their show a lot of it?
14:52
SPEAKER_04: But their show takes so right?
14:54
SPEAKER_04: Like your season, it was like months and months and months before you see it.
14:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you filmed the month of July.
15:00
SPEAKER_03: We filled the month of June, in the end of June, all the way to August.
15:03
SPEAKER_03: August, August.
15:04
SPEAKER_03: And then he air in September.
15:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
15:06
SPEAKER_03: Wait, the following No, no, no, no.
15:09
SPEAKER_03: Let's say 26.
15:10
SPEAKER_03: Oh, they f they film it in June, the mid-June, all the way to the end of July, beginning of August.
15:17
SPEAKER_03: The show air in uh November.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Or it ended in November.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: It's not that big of a delay, but no, but it's still like the show is over, and there's at least a month that passes, usually about six weeks before the first episode airs.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: And that's where usually I'm laying out the spoilers for what you're expected to see that particular season.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't think the bachelor will ever go that route.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: Number one, because they've been on the same schedule for 25 years.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: Why I don't think they're gonna change it.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, and number two, I think they like crafting, they like pulling all the footage and what and just taking more time to find out editing-wise, who's gonna be our villain, who's gonna be the crier, who's gonna be the drunk girl, and we can just pull all these clips together.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, who's the French fan favorite?
16:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I think that's why they they don't want to turn it around that quick.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: And I again, I with all these other shows that do it, like Love Island is literally on a 24 to 48 hour turnaround.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, what we saw last night, Sunday night, was probably filmed on Friday.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: And um, it's great that they do that.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: Big Brother is the same way.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: Big Brother turns their stuff around in two to three days.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: That's the way that these popular shows have gone, but The Bachelor is so stuck in their ways, I just I can't see them going that route.
16:37
SPEAKER_03: But but the 10 with uh with The Bachelor and the Bachelorette and the Golden Bachelor and so on and so forth, you know, there is there is a lot more competition now.
16:45
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, we've we've interviewed a couple of people from Age of Attraction, which seemed like it's a very popular show.
16:51
SPEAKER_03: Love Island, uh uh uh Bellow Deck, uh, and and I could name a few more.
16:56
SPEAKER_03: So do you think then because of the competition the the franchise, the golden the Bachelor and Bachelorette and Golden Franchise has today, then they're losing their popularity and their view.
17:08
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you and I talk about the show you're infatuation with Love Island the Love Island, where basically, I mean, from what I see, is gorgeous woman and gorgeous guy getting at each other and having sex.
17:22
SPEAKER_03: That's this is basically what the show is about.
17:24
SPEAKER_03: There's no point to the child.
17:25
SPEAKER_00: It is no point to the show.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: There's not even a competition, and the challenges are just ridiculously overtly sexual.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean, the challenges.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:34
SPEAKER_00: The challenges are overtly sexual.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: You don't win anything.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think even Love Island could improve if they made the challenges worth something.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, we got a sponsor for this challenge.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: If you win it, it's$5,000 for each of you.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: And you can bank money throughout the season.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, the ultimate goal of Love Island is to be the winning couple that's voted on by America, and that winning couple wins$100,000.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's$50,000 each.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, taxes take it out.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: You're spending six weeks away for a summer to make$33.5.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: Like it just seems like there's not a lot of stakes.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: Now, some people will say, well, Steve, these people are obviously doing it to be on other shows.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: They have Love Island Games now, where they take people that have been on Love Island and just put them in a summer show and have games where they can make money.
18:20
SPEAKER_00: Then you can get on Perfect Match.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: You can get on The Challenge.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: Like, so I get it now.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: Uh, Love Island is not about, oh, I want to live win Love Island so bad because I can win a million dollars like Survivor.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: No.
18:33
SPEAKER_00: You win 33.5 after taxes.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: It's more about being on the show for six weeks, building your fan base, then coming off the show.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: Everybody's interested in you.
18:43
SPEAKER_00: Here's a perfect example.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: I kind of forgot about this.
18:47
SPEAKER_00: On this season of Love Island, the first person eliminated, his name was Sean.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: He was on the show for one week of real time.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: Before he went on the show, I think he had 4,000 TikTok followers.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: He was on the show for one week and he is already over a million TikTok followers.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: And he was the first person eliminated.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: You're the first person eliminated on The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, Golden Bachelorette.
19:10
SPEAKER_00: You've never heard from a guy.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: You get 13 people that follow you.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: You're losing your following.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: This guy is over a million.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: And it's not like if you go on his TikTok account, I haven't checked it too much, but he hadn't posted anything and he'd gone from 4,000 to over a million.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: So now this guy is all set up for possibly being on other shows, but even if he doesn't do another show, if he just produces one or two TikTok videos a day, he's going to be able to make and supplement uh another income.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: And this guy's a fire, this guy is a not a firefighter, policeman in Pennsylvania.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: And there was a little controversy about police.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh his sergeant didn't even know that he was doing the show.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, he knew.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: We had a whole conversation about this.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: So they might have been trying to get uh publicity for him.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: But that's the perfect example of why these people do the show.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: To go from 4,000 followers to over a million on TikTok when you didn't do one video, it was just, I want to follow Sean because I like him.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: That's huge.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: And that used to be Bachelor.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: That used to be the people that went on The Bachelor.
20:14
SPEAKER_00: Now the Bachelor's falling off so much, those people aren't coming through.
20:19
SPEAKER_03: What do you think the the franchise that go back to The Bachelor?
20:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
20:23
SPEAKER_03: What do you think then the franchise needs to do to be able to be more competitive with other network like Survivor and so on and so forth?
20:32
SPEAKER_00: Gosh, I I I've I've been asked this question so many times, and I don't know if there's a simple answer.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: I think one thing that truly is holding them back is the fact that they are on network television.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: Love Island can get away with more overtly sexual challenges because it's on a streaming service.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, age of attraction can get away with the sex scene that we saw with Teresa and and her guy, John.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, they had literally microphones in their bedroom, and you couldn't do that on ABC.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: ABC would never show that.
21:06
SPEAKER_00: So they are behind the eight ball in that.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: They're one of the few reality dating shows that are even on network television anymore.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: Everything else is on streaming.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: Like Love Island is on streaming, Age of Attraction is on streaming, Love is Blind is on streaming.
21:20
SPEAKER_00: Like, what dating shows are even on there?
21:22
SPEAKER_00: So being on a network television show really hinders them.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: I think they need to lean into social media more.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: They have in the past few seasons, where not saying you should allow your contestants to be on their phone during the show because that'll never fly, because they'll all be reading about what people think of them, and then they'll they'll change their behavior because of it, and that's what you don't want.
21:43
SPEAKER_04: So it's not what you want.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: So I'm just yeah, what is the what is the answer for Batch or Batch Right?
21:48
SPEAKER_00: I just think you gotta do a I guess the simplest answer would be do a better job of casting.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: Maybe go back to the original, just like I I want to say, find people that are actually there for the right reason.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: But I think that's impossible in 2026 that you're going to get 25 women for a bachelor's season that are like, I only care about being in the end and marrying and getting engaged to this guy.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: It's just not believable anymore.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: So maybe just lean into the silliness of it all.
22:17
SPEAKER_04: Or I have a posit here.
22:20
SPEAKER_04: What if, and we this is gonna, you're gonna perk up about this, Pascal.
22:24
SPEAKER_04: What if, given that it's on um, you know, network TV and all and mostly older people are watching network TV, it should really be leaning into the golden franchise.
22:37
SPEAKER_04: And they should be doing more around the older people dating.
22:40
SPEAKER_04: Jimmy and I because right now there are more older people dating.
22:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but we talk we talk about one ton about what the what I see as the problem of the golden franchise, and and and Steve and I talk about it over the weekend.
22:51
SPEAKER_03: Then when you're 20, 23, 25, 30 years old, you really not establish.
22:56
SPEAKER_03: We've talked about that.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: It's easy for you to pack your stuff and move to Seattle or move to Washington or move to Dallas because you start a new career.
23:05
SPEAKER_03: You don't know, you don't own a condominium, you don't own a car.
23:08
SPEAKER_03: But when you reach the golden years, you establish you have the roots deep down the ground.
23:13
SPEAKER_03: So Steve and I were talking about over the weekend.
23:16
SPEAKER_03: I think it'd be good if they want, I think the the golden franchise is a fantastic franchise because you're dealing with more maturity, more uh life experience, but it should be locally.
23:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so they should break the whole mold, but bring it into the older, date older people.
23:34
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
23:34
SPEAKER_03: The go more locally.
23:35
SPEAKER_03: Aren't that old really?
23:36
SPEAKER_03: No, the the Chicago you could find 25, 25 women or 25 single divorcee uh men in here in Chicago or in LA or in Florida.
23:46
SPEAKER_03: And I think that will be that will be more looking for love because you know then you have easy access.
23:52
SPEAKER_03: Next week we're gonna have a joan in our in our podcast or the week after, okay?
23:56
SPEAKER_03: So I'd be curious to find out how the dynamic work in the long distance relationship?
24:03
SPEAKER_03: That's that's the that's what I'm I'm seeing.
24:05
SPEAKER_03: What do you tend to say?
24:06
SPEAKER_00: And when you think about it, love is blind, which is a very popular show on Netflix, every season is in a different city.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: So all the people that are in those pods and end up being couples, you don't have to make a life-changing move and move across the country for somebody.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: So, yes, maybe The Bachelor should be labeled not, oh, this is Bachelor Season 30, which would be the next bachelor's season.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: By the way, it's unbelievable.
24:29
SPEAKER_00: We've had 30 seasons of The Bachelor, but it should just be called The Bachelor Chicago, and it's just all it doesn't have to be all from Chicago, but at least Chicago, Ohio, you know, neighboring states.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: Right.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: The and then Bachelorette, Louisiana, Bachelorette California, you know, I don't know if you want to do California because California's almost too big.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, but Bachelor Seattle, Bachelorette New York, Bachelorette Philly.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, you do it that way, and like you said, everybody is in at least within where they're not making a life-changing move to have to pack up and move to be with the person if they end up winning in the end.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: Because that seems to be the biggest downfall.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: Even though there's an engagement that's expected at the end of the bachelor and the bachelorette season, I've said it for years.
25:13
SPEAKER_00: The engagement means nothing.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: You ask any of these couples, it means nothing.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: It's a product of what the show wants you to do.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: What really matters is, at least to me, I take these couples seriously that get engaged at the end of the bachelor when somebody moves.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: Because then it's like, okay, one of you has decided to make the move to move to this person.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, Grant, when he chose um Juliana, I was like, okay, they're engaged, but until Grant moves to Boston or Juliana moves to where was Grant?
25:45
SPEAKER_00: Houston?
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Wherever he was.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, Houston.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Um it's just, they're just while they are engaged, they're just dating to me.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: It's just a long-distance relationship.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: And every couple that I've ever talked to who has gotten engaged on this show and is the final couple has said the real relationship doesn't start until filming ends.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: Because you just don't know.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: That person might have told you all the right things on television because they wanted to one win you over, and number two, win the audience over.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: But who are they really when the cameras aren't rolling?
26:14
SPEAKER_00: And that's what you want to know.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: And that doesn't happen until after you've gotten engaged, which is uh, you know, a crazy contest.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: We all think the concept of the batch or the bachelorette is silly because over the eight weeks of filming, you barely spend everyone says maybe three to four days total.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: If you add up all the one-on-one time you get with the lead, it's maybe three to four days total.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: And it's just an utterly ridiculous concept to think that you need to get engaged to this person at the end of the show.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: Love is Blind takes it a step further, and they say, You're gonna get engaged to somebody you've never even physically seen in your life.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: So that's even more ridiculous.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: And then married at first sight beats them by just saying the second you walk into the room, you're getting married to somebody that you've never even talked to or seen.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Like it's just it's crazy.
27:03
SPEAKER_04: It is crazy, and they're fun concepts.
27:05
SPEAKER_04: And I do love, and I I don't know, I think you do because you've been covering them is yes, you just it's really interesting, this whole landscape.
27:14
SPEAKER_04: I guess what I was um was what I feel uh is the big opportunity is uh an underserved market, is sort of the it seems like a lot of these shows are going for the 20s and 30 year olds, which again, there's uh it's understandable and they're doing these con these challenges and a lot of the sexual content and everything that's there.
27:33
SPEAKER_04: But for us over 50, which is really what our show in my hometown focuses a lot on, is you know, there's so many vibrant, wonderful people that are dating.
27:43
SPEAKER_04: There are more people who are dating over 50 than ever before.
27:47
SPEAKER_04: There are more divorces happening at the go at that gray divorce.
27:51
SPEAKER_04: So there's just, I think that there should be more in that age group.
27:55
SPEAKER_04: I agree.
27:55
SPEAKER_03: And it seems like rich territory.
27:57
SPEAKER_03: I think they should show more show about the pre-golden and golden in the 50s.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Would you watch that?
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Would you watch it still?
28:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's like we've got we've got our young crowds of leave leave Love Island and Love is Blind to the younger crowd.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Maybe the bachelor should lead into more of middle age, like 40s and 50s.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, have a but you know, because in the past in the history of the show, they've only had one bachelor over the age of 40.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: And then there were three that were like 35 to 38.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's a younger person's show.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: It's usually a guy that's in his late 20s or early 30s, and no matter how old the bachelor is, the women stay the same.
28:38
SPEAKER_00: They're always 22 to 27 or 28.
28:41
SPEAKER_04: Right.
28:42
SPEAKER_04: Well, as Pascal said, that's the perfect age.
28:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, no, that's not the butt.
28:47
SPEAKER_03: You said to me this morning we're talking about the success of the the relationship in the in the last 30 years.
28:54
SPEAKER_03: So, based on all the engagement in the last 30 years in the bachelor and bachelorette, what is the success rate of the two of them are getting married?
29:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: So there's been Grant was the 29th bachelor.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Two people that were bachelors married the final woman that they chose.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Two people.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: Two out of twenty-nine.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: Which goes to show the show is still on the air.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: 25 years later, people aren't watching for a love story.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: It's I think the facts bear that out now, because you've only had two marriages, and one of them happened in the last year with Zach and Katie.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: So for the longest time, this is the funny statistic.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: For the longest time, let's take Zach and Katie out of the equation because they just got married within the last year.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: There was only one bachelor that married the final girl that he chose, and that was Sean Lowe who married Catherine.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: They had more bachelors marry the girl that they dumped at the end of the season than they did bachelors who married the girl that they chose.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Because up until uh Zach and Katie got married and tied it up a two, it was Sean and Catherine were the only successful couple, and Jason Mesnick got engaged to Melissa, had dumped Molly, ended up getting with Molly.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: They're married to this day and have a daughter.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: And then Ari.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: Ari chose Becca, and then they broke up and he ended up getting with Lauren.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: And so, and they're still married to this day.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: So you had more marriages from this franchise that happened to the guy who dumped his final woman at the altar, ended up marrying her.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: You had two to one, and now it's two-two because Zach and Katie in the last year.
30:32
SPEAKER_00: Now, I think Charity and Doughton, I think they're getting married.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Now that's okay, that's Bachelorette.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: That's a completely different animal because they they've had a much better success rate, even though they've had a couple breakups and divorces.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: And I think that Bachelorette has had a more success, a better success rate just because I think the women who go on the show as the lead take it a lot more seriously.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: They're not looking to be like, oh, let's see how many men I can bag on this show.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: I think it's more whereas the men, I think any bachelor that goes on this show and is named The Bachelor, he's like, Yeah, it would be great to find somebody on this show, but if I don't, I just had five million people a week watching me.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: I've got plenty of DMs that I could easily, women all around the world will be like, oh my gosh, if it doesn't work out with so-and-so, what about me?
31:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think the men look at it that way and the women, which is normal.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: I expect the women to take it more seriously.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, they're not looking to sleep around.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: The men on this bachelor franchise, outside of probably a selected few who were named the bachelor, are all like, How can I capitalize on this?
31:32
SPEAKER_00: How many women can I get out of this if it doesn't work out with my final choice?
31:36
SPEAKER_04: Right.
31:36
SPEAKER_04: And and I would think that the men that go on the bachelorette, they do pretty well in the dating world afterward.
31:43
SPEAKER_04: I think.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, plus plus now.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: Case in point.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Plus you've got Bachelor in Paradise.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: So once you're in this fraternity of contestants, then it's very easy to contact contestants from other seasons, and you already have this bond where you have a good you have you have a good synergy of things that you can talk about right away because you've been you only a selected few people have been through this experience.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: Pascal, you know it from the guys on your season.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: Some of the guys from your season have easily contacted um the women that were on uh Mel season and women that were on Gary's season.
32:21
SPEAKER_03: Definitely bury them to to talk and be like the conversation starter.
32:25
SPEAKER_03: Actually, Jimmy and I were in LA on the final rows, and the CK got hooked up with uh Monica B, who was in the Mel season.
32:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and uh there is a lot of exchange, a lot of people wanted to get interacting with each other.
32:39
SPEAKER_03: That you're right, that's opened the door of more women and men because of the the culture of and the the the family, the bond you guys.
32:48
SPEAKER_00: Once you're on the show, you're part of this bachelor fraternity, and and now that you know we not only are we getting the bachelor in 2027, we're getting Bachelor in Paradise again.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: So that's gonna come up where all these people that are on the men on Taylor Frankie Paul season are probably gonna be the more featured contestants that are gonna be on next season of Bachelor in Paradise, and then they're gonna be contacting people.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: It's it's just very easy to slide into people's DMs and even create alliances heading into next season.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: Hey, would you wanna?
33:16
SPEAKER_00: I know people go on that show and say, Hey, do you want to would you want to be a couple on this show?
33:21
SPEAKER_00: Let's let's partner now.
33:23
SPEAKER_04: And so Oh, that's interesting.
33:26
SPEAKER_03: So now that's that's what happened with me.
33:27
SPEAKER_03: That's what happened with me and Leslie.
33:29
SPEAKER_03: I was offered to be in The Bachelor in Paradise, which I declined because I didn't feel that was a good fit for me.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: And Leslie was calling me, which I love Leslie, yeah, was calling me and said, Come on, she was trying to drag me along with her because she wanted to partner with me in the Bachelor, in the Golden Bachelor Paradise.
33:46
SPEAKER_04: I would have been an interesting watch.
33:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, I've met Leslie a couple of times.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: She came up to Chicago, we had dinner together, we we we keep in contact, but um I just didn't feel like the dynamic of the show was for me.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: And that makes sense.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not it's not for everybody.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: You were a polarizing figure on the show, but again, as I told you, this franchise needs you more than you need to be able to do.
34:10
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm not sure.
34:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure.
34:12
SPEAKER_03: I'm not I don't need a show.
34:13
SPEAKER_03: I mean my life is great.
34:14
SPEAKER_03: So so I know then you watched the golden bachelor, the last season of The Golden Bachelor was Mel.
34:20
SPEAKER_03: What do you think of that season?
34:21
SPEAKER_03: Do you think then uh we're gonna see another golden bachelor, another golden bachelorette, or do you think then Mel uh dynamic and energy uh really you know give a little dent to the franchise?
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't think he was a great choice.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh when that podcast came out of him saying the things that he did, even once his season ended and he is with Peg, and they're still with and they're still together to this day, even when that all came out and he was going around the podcast circuit to talk about what he said on that podcast, I still have never gotten an answer.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Like, Mel, you still said you're only interested in dating women in their, you know, 40s and 50s.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: Like he he said it.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: Like he never took it back, and he just kind of generalized it and said, Yeah, I said some stupid things and I didn't know what the show was about.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: It's like, but the sentiment that you were sharing was you were into women that are much older than you, and we knew that his ex-wife was 20 years younger than him.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: So if you're married to your ex-wife for 20 years and she's 20 years younger and he's a you know mid-60s man, I just knew he probably wasn't all that interested.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: But Peg is over 60 and they're still together.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: But I have no idea about the dynamic of their relationship.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: As for the franchise itself, I guess again, we're just in a wait and see mode.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they're waiting to see because we all know they're only doing they've only announced Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise for 2027.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: If they do a golden, it would be after Bachelor in Paradise.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: And maybe because it's so far away, that's why we haven't uh we haven't heard anything yet, because it would be basically like yours, it'd be September of 2027.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're almost, you know, uh we're over a year away from that even coming to fruition.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: So I guess maybe they're gonna look at the success of Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise, see how it does, and then say, okay, maybe in you know, quarter two of 2027, they'll say, we're gonna do a golden.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, but if they do, they better make a they better choose somebody that I think just not only did Mel go on that podcast, once we saw him on the screen, I was like, okay, he better make up for it on the screen after what he said on that podcast.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: And then he was just, he's just a very plain, he has not much of a personality, just very plain, wasn't very talkative.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: It felt like it was pulling teeth every time he was on a one-on-one with these women.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: He didn't ask very interesting questions.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: It didn't, it just sounded like he was going through the motion.
36:47
SPEAKER_04: Don't get us started, Steve, on him.
36:49
SPEAKER_04: He is we talk, we talked about his lack of main character energy.
36:53
SPEAKER_04: We talked about his just um, he had sort of an apathetic, like sort of an attitude toward it, but people have come at us.
37:00
SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's people that really liked him and enjoyed him.
37:03
SPEAKER_04: I'm again not saying I don't know him personally.
37:05
SPEAKER_04: He can be the nicest guy in the world.
37:07
SPEAKER_04: Just from a show standpoint, he seemed to want to be on the show, give us much.
37:13
SPEAKER_04: Um, but uh, do you stand by your choice not to cover the show?
37:17
SPEAKER_04: Because I think you famously announced I'm not covering this season, right?
37:21
SPEAKER_04: I'm not the one.
37:22
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I don't care, like, I'm not gonna go out of my way.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: If I hear stuff about Mel's season, I'll put it out there.
37:29
SPEAKER_00: Um not much of his season got spoiled, at least on social media.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: I think one of his his date with Peg at the Orange County Fair did.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: And uh I gosh, I I can't remember what else got.
37:43
SPEAKER_04: No, that's how memorable it was.
37:45
SPEAKER_04: Why, why do you think they didn't go from the pool of the bachelorette, of the golden bachelorette, like the pool where Polo was in?
37:53
SPEAKER_04: What do you think was behind that?
37:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I again like it was just and the other thing is we didn't even know that announcement was coming.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden, ABC had this event out in Palm Springs or something like that.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: Hulu, Hulu, the Hulu, yeah.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: That get real event or whatever.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden they're just like, oh yeah, here's our next Golden Bachelor for next season, Mel Owens.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: He used to be a linebacker for the Rams in the 80s.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, first off, I didn't know this was coming, and two, who?
38:18
SPEAKER_00: Why him?
38:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, it didn't make any sense, and especially for a franchise that was so new and had only had two seasons.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: Right.
38:26
SPEAKER_03: You know what happened?
38:27
SPEAKER_03: I think I told you that, Jimmy.
38:28
SPEAKER_03: The the producer, Mel, uh Clevin Bennett was fired from the franchise.
38:35
SPEAKER_03: That's right.
38:35
SPEAKER_03: So they changed producer.
38:37
SPEAKER_03: So they bring in somebody new.
38:39
SPEAKER_03: The guy wanted to get out of the box.
38:41
SPEAKER_03: He wanted to try to create, to put his own mark, his own trade, his own feel.
38:45
SPEAKER_03: So he said, hey, let's do something different.
38:48
SPEAKER_03: Let me get somebody from them.
38:49
SPEAKER_03: This is a football player.
38:50
SPEAKER_03: Uh, America loves football.
38:52
SPEAKER_03: They're gonna love him, and I think that's what it is.
38:54
SPEAKER_03: But if he was Claire and Bennett, which I thought was fantastic with me, everybody badged them, then they created a toxic environment around the franchise, which hadn't experienced that at all with them.
39:06
SPEAKER_03: They were nothing but gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen.
39:09
SPEAKER_03: And uh when they let go, everybody was very surprised.
39:12
SPEAKER_03: And all of a sudden, this guy came up and then he's hiring male, who's out of the blue, like everybody else.
39:18
SPEAKER_03: Actually, all the men from my season were very upset because Jonathan wanted to be the golden bachelor.
39:25
SPEAKER_03: Uh, Jordan would have loved to be the golden bachelor, uh, I would have loved to be asked to be the golden bachelor.
39:31
SPEAKER_03: You know, I think to me, everybody was kind of, who is this guy?
39:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
39:35
SPEAKER_03: And the season wasn't as successful as they were successful.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: And and two months after he was introduced is when he did that podcast, and that comes out, and you're just like, my gosh.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: And I I was I reported at the time that he was being replaced.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: And I had heard behind the scenes that he was going to be replaced because that podcast was such a bad look for hey, here's our new lead.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: We bring him in from the outside, and he's talking about not even being interested and talking about women with wigs and artificial hips.
40:03
SPEAKER_00: You're just like, Really?
40:04
SPEAKER_00: This is the guy you want to, you know, hook your wagon to?
40:07
SPEAKER_00: And they did, and they went through with it, and then we and I was like, Okay, well, he better be good.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: He better be this guy that we all fall in love with.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: And he wasn't at all.
40:15
SPEAKER_00: And like I said, I just like you said, I don't know the guy.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: I've seen him in the thing is, I guess he had a chance to redeem himself when we saw him not on the show and he went on this podcast tour, and he seemed just as defensive and dismissive as he was before the show, and when he went in and did that podcast.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, uh, I I'm glad that they're still together.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: Congratulations to Mel and Peg.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they're doing great, and all that matters is that she likes him.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
40:43
SPEAKER_00: If he's not liked by anybody else, if she likes him and she loves him and they're and they're in a great relationship, good for them.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: But it wasn't good TV.
40:50
SPEAKER_03: When I was talking to Peggy during the the after the show, Peggy and I had a lot of many conversations on the phone.
40:56
SPEAKER_03: And uh she I was telling her about you know the dynamic of Mel, he doesn't have much of a personality.
41:02
SPEAKER_03: She said, You don't know what the project of him, that's not what he is.
41:06
SPEAKER_03: He's fun, he's funny, he's got a good sense of humor.
41:09
SPEAKER_03: I said, you know what?
41:10
SPEAKER_03: I said, what the people, what the world saw, it's not that.
41:13
SPEAKER_03: I said, she said they they we have we fought with the producer, and I mean she was really adamant about defending his character and his personality, which I was kind of a little bit surprised.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: Defending your guy, I guess, you know.
41:26
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I understand that TV uh is editing, but I don't know.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Like when I watched Gary's season, he seemed very into the women.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: He seemed engaging, he seemed like he cared what they had to say, and I just never got that impression from Mel.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: And maybe he's just not on good on TV.
41:42
SPEAKER_04: Maybe he's just and then Gary turned out to be the jerk that he was.
41:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then Gary did what he did.
41:48
SPEAKER_00: So it's like I don't know what to believe anymore.
41:50
SPEAKER_00: I just throw my hands up and be like, you know what?
41:52
SPEAKER_00: I I I can't imagine that all these people are just the greatest people.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, like I said, Peg, if Peg wants to defend her man, that's totally fine.
42:00
SPEAKER_01: Right.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but just us as a viewers, all we have to go off of is what we see when the show aired, and then subsequently when subsequently when he did his podcast tour after the show, and he just didn't come across that way to me that she's describing him uh to you, Pascal.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: Funny with great sense of humor.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Funny, great sense of humor, lively.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm just like lively, energetic.
42:20
SPEAKER_00: What?
42:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, I haven't seen it.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I don't know.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: I'm being honest.
42:24
SPEAKER_04: People are camera shy, so it's just that who then you go as a lead of a TV show.
42:28
SPEAKER_04: That just seems so odd.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:30
SPEAKER_04: What do you what's getting the most energy right now from your fans?
42:34
SPEAKER_04: Like what show do they want to hear?
42:36
SPEAKER_04: You heard DCC a lot or what else?
42:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm obsessed with the DCC.
42:39
SPEAKER_04: Okay, the Dallas Cowboys Two.
42:41
SPEAKER_04: Dallas Cowboys Two.
42:42
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
42:42
SPEAKER_04: Oh.
42:43
SPEAKER_04: You would like that.
42:43
SPEAKER_04: You would love it.
42:44
SPEAKER_03: But what is it?
42:45
SPEAKER_03: It's basically a bench of young, gorgeous women dancing, half the kids.
42:50
SPEAKER_03: But it's that's what's that's what we become about now.
42:52
SPEAKER_03: This is a society.
42:53
SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
42:54
SPEAKER_04: We've always been about it.
42:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I mean the it it now with the social media, it's much more upfront than it was.
43:00
SPEAKER_04: These are hard-working, amazingly talented women.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: Now, with Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, it's called America's Sweethearts, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: It's on Netflix.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: Three seasons.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: And what they do is they cover the women trying out to be a Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: That's fun.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's funny.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: Dallas Cowboys are one of the most storied franchises in all of sports, in any sport.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: The Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders are the most recognizable dance team in all of sports.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: They've been around.
43:25
SPEAKER_03: What is that?
43:25
SPEAKER_03: What is that?
43:26
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I've heard of that.
43:27
SPEAKER_03: What is the why do the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader are so popular?
43:31
SPEAKER_03: When you talk about cheerleader, everybody talk about the Dallas Cowboy share leader.
43:35
SPEAKER_03: Why is that?
43:35
SPEAKER_00: It's just iconic.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: Their outfits that they wear are iconic.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: They've been around since the 80s.
43:41
SPEAKER_04: I used to watch them on the I used to watch them on the love pub.
43:44
SPEAKER_04: That's all.
43:46
SPEAKER_03: Every team has a share leader.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: Every team does a this is but this is a 36 woman team.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: I don't think any other team in all of sports has 36 women as part of their dance team.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: It is it's it's almost like the Rockets.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: They're just a professional.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: danced troop.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: And so this show covers making uh uh basically it covers it's a seven episode season every season the first five episodes are usually about who's gonna make the team and then the last two episodes cover what happened during the season and it's just you're getting to watch these people training about that I like that because that's a competition that's a try that they they're not doing it for femme they're doing it because they want to dance they want to be part of the team that's I I like that concept versus the the other one the Love Island where it still has its share of confidence.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: Here's here's something else that you would love about Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders Pascal is every single season it's usually around episode four or five the women that are possibly going to make the team they bring them in for a complete not a complete makeover but they all bring them in to their they have a Dallas Cowboys has their own stylist and it becomes such a big thing online because the fans are like why did the stylist change Angie's hair?
44:58
SPEAKER_00: Why did they make because every one of them sits down in a chair and the stylist says I think we should go a little ombre with you.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: I think we should go a little shorter with you.
45:06
SPEAKER_04: And they literally make you strawberry blonde.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: This woman there was a major this year there's a major concert there was a really cute girl her name is Savannah she had short blonde hair basically came down shoulder length and when she went into the stylist the stylist was like I want to make you strawberry blonde and essentially he ended up doing it because the girls really don't have a say if Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders say this is the way we want your hair that's what they kind of got to go with.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: When she came out of that chair and she was done a lot of the fan base did not like the coloring that he did.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: They didn't like the like I would I would want to watch that episode with you just because you being a professional stylist you seeing these women's hair and be like I would love to see your reaction to what because it only they do it all in one episode.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: Obviously it's done over probably no it is on one episode.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: I'd love to see what your reaction would be to be like oh wow I like her hair oh I do not like what they did uh with her oh you definitely would have not liked the strawberry blonde that they went with or she got cut and she was the team because the coaches were like we don't like the hair we didn't like the hair change and it wasn't and it wasn't her fault and they cut it cut her off.
46:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah she didn't make the team she was one of the finalists but she was one of the last cuts that they make she didn't make the team but it's a it's a really interesting show because while there is drama it's all about also sisterhood these women are so close they spend so much time together the amount of practice time that these women have to put into being a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader um you know there's there's arguments about should they be paid more which I agree they should be paid more um because this is like a full-time job most of them have to get a second job and you got to work eight to five and then at six o'clock practice from six to ten six to eleven every single night like it's a big deal to be a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader and this show is a really uh a good look behind the scenes about it but yeah I totally forgot about that that hair every season all the new rookies that have a chance to make the team are brought in for a makeover right some blondes they make darker some blondes they make darker some nice nice electric one girl has very like literally jet black hair this year and she and she and they ended up they ended up lightening it a little more brown had a little more streaky brown and it's just he loves to possess yeah and it is it is a really interesting dynamic but there was a lot of discourse online this year about changing little Savannah's blonde short hair and making it strawberry blonde and even one of the judges and one of the coaches said when she was dancing after she had gotten her hair makeover they said it looks like she has a wig on like I don't I don't like it and they couldn't do anything about it at that point because uh the stylist had already changed but it's a whole I mean so you're I'm I'm in that area I live 10 minutes from where they practice and where they have training camp for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders and out there it's just almost a religion.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: There are women there are girls five and six years old that show up to cowboy games in the cheerleader outfits.
48:03
SPEAKER_00: The Dallas Cowboys have not been a successful franchise on the field for 30 years now people are actually tuning in to watch the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders like they are an attraction now and now that they've got a Netflix show for the last three years they're such a draw that it it's it's a big deal and I I love I love that DCC show.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: I I enjoy the competition of it.
48:27
SPEAKER_04: But yeah I've funny because I never watch football I mean I never been watching but I heard a lot about the Cowboy Dallas uh show you should check them on they're all on on social media too yeah I'm interested though you know the show was on for 17 seasons on CMT the country music channel and it really did not get any play and now it's been on Netflix and it's blown up.
48:48
SPEAKER_04: What's your take on that?
48:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah there was there was like a subculture that was obsessed with the CMT show and they were following these women and then but now since the advent again of social media um this show is really it's given these women platforms uh they got a 400% raise from season two to season three and even that is peanuts compared to how much time they have to put in um but I I never watched Making the team but I've seen a lot of the clips and Netflix is done the aesthetic of it is a lot it's sharper.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: I really like it and they've gotten a lot kinder.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: Some people say that the coaches Judy and uh Kelly are are too mean it's like too mean now go back to those seasons like they would literally tell the girls you're too fat.
49:34
SPEAKER_02: You're so right.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah you're out of shape you're too fat you can't be on you can't you're not gonna make this team looking like that um they'll talk about you know your waist looks like this uh and it's just you can't get away with that in 2026.
49:46
SPEAKER_00: So the Netflix show is kind of eased up it's still the same show the judges will talk about more they they won't talk to about any physical aspects it'll be about your kicks aren't high enough your energy isn't there you got to be more camera friendly.
50:00
SPEAKER_03: They won't say you're too fat.
50:01
SPEAKER_03: No you they will not say that your boobs are not big enough you gotta go not anymore.
50:06
SPEAKER_03: They said it back in the day but you can't get away with that now they would be canceled then the the the reporting of a show 20 years ago to today is completely different you have to do you have to be very careful about what you said and the way you said otherwise you get killed murdered by social media.
50:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah uh I mean my I I think my brand has done a a 180 since when I used to cover the show uh back in the early I mean when I because when I first started covering the show it was just a recap show I did not have spoilers until 2009.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: So from 2003 to 2009 I just wrote I just wrote an article about the show because podcasting wasn't a thing back then.
50:43
SPEAKER_00: I would just write an article about the show and recap every episode.
50:47
SPEAKER_00: And I was brutal.
50:48
SPEAKER_00: I was terrible I embarrassed by some of the stuff that I wrote 25 years ago.
50:53
SPEAKER_00: And I just realized that's not and I was going for the shock jock value.
50:58
SPEAKER_00: I it was the way it was accepted by the media to talk about women that way.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: I would talk about uh the physical features of the women that were on The Bachelor all the time.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: And I've basically deleted all of those uh I because I was like I don't want to ever look at this again I can't believe I wrote this stuff but I did it to be cool.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: I did it to be acceptable I was trying to be like the Howard Stern of of writing I mean listen to the stuff that Howard Stern used to say to his guests sitting right next to them back in the early 2000s.
51:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean it was vulgar it was crass violent it was vulgar it was terrible but it was accepted.
51:34
SPEAKER_00: Nobody ever stepped in and said wait a second why is he allowed to talk to a woman that way and my writing was I I wouldn't say I was that route but I would definitely comment on their looks all the time.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: Now all I care about is I just want to get the spoilers right.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't even recap the show really I don't write about it anymore.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: I'll talk about it you know if it air if Taylor Frankie Paul season airs on Sunday nights in July my Monday podcast will talk about the episode and I think I might do lives on my YouTube uh the night that it airs but I'm not gonna be focusing on what the women wore or what they look like.
52:07
SPEAKER_00: Nothing like that.
52:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean You can't yeah for Frankie Paul yeah I can't but I did for the longest time and it was it was bad.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: It was an embarrassing part uh I got called out for it and I I did a 180 and I changed it.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: I said you know what you're right I don't need to be talking about things like that.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: I'll just focus on the show the behind the scenes producer manipulation and stuff like that.
52:27
SPEAKER_04: But I don't need to yeah degrade these women I don't remember that but I appreciate you saying that and appreciate also that um you know you've evolved I mean when you started this so it has been about 16 20 years and and everything how have you so I I so you just um said that you changed in that way how does your view viewing of these shows changed?
52:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah do you feel that's different?
52:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I I try and look for all the small things that maybe the average fan who just watches it doesn't look for I'm looking for well this was a you could tell that they didn't say that in that moment or it was Frankenbitten and you could tell that that sentence was never said uh in that way and just looking for little things looking for confessionals in a different outfit than they wore on the on the one-on-one date that they're wearing because you can tell okay well this was clearly filmed on a different day like when you're on a one on date uh one-on-one date on your season when you went to Las Vegas with Joan um if you had a uh an ITM is what they call it on Bachelor other places call it confessionals but if you have an ITM which is in the moment so they're pulling Pascal and Joan are at dinner they're pulling Pascal and Joan aside for a one-on-one time and he's he has it's called in the moment he's got to give his thoughts about something in the moment that's going to be shown obviously later and he has to talk about something that happened earlier that day but sometimes you do it two or three days later and they forgot to tell you to put on the outfit that you wore that night.
53:57
SPEAKER_03: So it's like that is an in the moment let me let me tell you one every time we were going somewhere and we're in a suit they take a picture of us wearing what we were wearing.
54:07
SPEAKER_03: And then we will get when we get to the interview room and if the interview wasn't good three days later they come back and tell you we gotta redo the interview this is the suit you wearing so you were in the same time.
54:19
SPEAKER_03: So they they correct that they try to make you look exactly the same way as you were when you did that interview.
54:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah such cool inside stuff.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's it that's the stuff that I look for to see if there's like uh mistakes in editing another thing is at the rose ceremonies right you know they do a good job of this but there has definitely been times over the years where somebody will be called up for a rose and they accept the rose they go back and they have it they're holding it or whatever and then somebody else after them is called up and that person before them that just got in the rose if you watch them in the background they don't have their rose on them.
54:57
SPEAKER_00: So I look for stuff like that.
54:58
SPEAKER_04: That's always interesting to me because they have screwed up a couple times yeah the layers I love that have you ever held anything um like from reporting on something that you really wanted to share there are so many things I can share.
55:13
SPEAKER_00: There's another thing that I know I know there's so many things I can share about contestants but it would make it would really uh be at the detriment of somebody's probably well being and it would make them uh it would make them look bad and I I trust me back in the day I did it I back in the day anything that was told to me that I feel like was legitimate um I would I would say about contestants and I was basically being used as a middle person.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: Someone says oh I dated this guy in college and he did this to me or he was a jerk or whatever.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: And I would just basically relay it.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: Then I got to a point where I was like you know what I don't want to be the middle person anymore because I'm the one taking the bullets.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: If you have something about a contestant on this show used to date them or you know them through a friend or you know they did something that's problematic they had a post where they said the n-word whatever you need to be the one I'll give you the platform but you need to be the one that put your name behind it.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm not take I'm not the middleman anymore and for years I was and that's where um people you know had an issue with me and thinking back on it they had every right to have an issue with me and I just I made a change right around 2020 2021 right right around COVID where I was like I'm not just gonna be the guy that's just firing off negative stories about every contestant that I get told about I'm saying number one it's got to be somebody that's relevant to the season.
56:38
SPEAKER_00: If somebody comes to me and says hey I know that guy he bullied me in high school number one it's like okay I what do you want me to do?
56:47
SPEAKER_00: And he got eliminated the first night he's just like I'm sorry he's he's not relevant to the season I'm not gonna make it worse for him by saying he bullied somebody 15 years ago.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: And then it just became okay if you come to me with something just be willing to put your name behind it or provide me with the proof and the evidence versus me just verbally relaying what you told me.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: And that's and a lot of people come to me and say I want you to expose this person I say great let me know.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: Come on my show show me the evidence and you come on and then they go like no you know what I realize because they realize that that person is going to have a fan base and that fan base will now go after them for being like oh you're just chasing clout you want to bring this person down let it go and then there's levels of it it's like he was mean to me in high school okay he cheated on me in high school in college okay there was an incident uh you know SA was involved okay now we're talking about criminal behavior he shouldn't be on the show I don't think ABC shouldn't cast a guy because he cheated on a girl in high school and vice versa if a woman cheated on a boyfriend in college well we don't we're not gonna put her on the bachelor because she was a cheater and that's I'm sorry that's not big news.
58:03
SPEAKER_00: Nowadays it's like the Taylor Frankie Paul stuff meaning why is she allowed on when when she has that in her past that would be the only thing that would rise to my level of okay I think this needs to be reported which is problematic behavior, you know, something uh in racial in nature obviously any sort of essay any sort of criminal behavior felonious behavior yeah I will absolutely come to the table with that um I have a couple times since 2020 and those people came to me uh with proof and I said okay and some of them were willing to put their name behind it because they were like I don't care about the repercussions this guy doesn't need to be on the show or this needs to be known about this woman and I think it's I think it's definitely changed.
58:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah and I and I think it's a hard sort of uh uh landscape to be part of right now I mean we saw that happen with Chris um Harrison and sort of what how he jumped in to defend I guess one of uh yeah and he got let go.
58:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah that he got let go.
59:01
SPEAKER_00: So let me ask you the my final question okay I know then you've been watching a lot of different reality shows which one is the top three you would recommend for our audience oh for your audience top three top three okay uh I think I I think as much as I despise Nick Vial him and I have a past I don't like the guy I don't like his success I don't think he's any good personally he's a he was a he's been a jerk to me personally so I'll never ever not know that about him.
59:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
59:35
SPEAKER_00: With that said I was fine with age of attraction in terms of entertainment quality I thought some of those age gaps were ridiculous.
59:44
SPEAKER_00: We talked about this Jorge and his woman being 35 year age difference.
59:48
SPEAKER_00: Come on um uh you know Teresa and John if she wants to date a guy half her age that's fine but when your son is 31 and your new boyfriend is 27 I I I was just like how in the world did you not think that was going to be an issue but I will say I'd put that in my top three age of attraction age of attraction is one of them.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_00: Love is blind I think appeals because they will go a little they'll skew a little bit older they'll have 35 to 39 year olds on that show.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: It's a little bit older it's not just a bunch of young hot 20 year olds on that show.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: What would be the third uh reality show dating wise oh gosh um I thought you love the Love Island.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_00: Well love I don't know if Love Island you said for your audience I don't know yeah but I I'm not talking for my I'm talking for overall to give our audience options if you just want to watch a bunch of hot 20 year olds in sexual talking about all things sexual in sexual positions then Love Islands for you it's a lot of commitment it's six days a week although one of the shows is a recap show so five days a week but it is you can't take your eyes off it once you start really it is my my 18 year old uh she got my husband into it they watched four hours yesterday and now he is uh he's in Love Island he's in Love Island it is it is and again there's really no point to the show other than let's put a bunch of hot people together and see who couples up.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_03: That's all it is do you think it would work if you were put in some overweight woman with uh shitty hair and uh saggy buzzum I don't I yeah I don't even think that that would get approved on network TV nowadays.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I just like I don't this happened a while ago and it was by the former bachelor producers and it was a show called More to Love and it was the bachelor was over 300 pounds.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_00: All the women were Cindy Swine yes I've heard of you know more to love yes bigger women yes and I but again this was in a different time this was more to love if I googled it right now that was before 2010 and it was over 15 years ago and I can't remember how it did ratings wise um but it was by the same producers they filmed it I believe at the Bachelor Mansion like it's literally the same producers same concept one-on-one dates group dates all this stuff uh but then even in that show if I'm not mistaken I might be making it up with another show now that I think about it so I could be wrong on this but I even think at the end like after he had gotten through two or three episodes they brought in slimmer women to see if this guy was going to actually choose somebody who was of a bigger size versus somebody that we usually see on these shows that are size you know two or four.
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SPEAKER_00: Whereas the other women that were on a season to start the show they were all bigger 12 plus size women.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah um and I can't remember who he ended up choosing.
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SPEAKER_00: I oh man as that really blew it with that story.
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SPEAKER_04: But yeah I can't I know they ended up bringing in women to like challenge him to be like is it about the looks or whatever and I can't remember who let me just say I'm in I'm so impressed with how you've catalogued I mean the way you were bringing everything up about the bachelors like from 15 years ago.
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SPEAKER_04: It's been doing it for 15 years where do you who will you watch all the shows with myself.
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SPEAKER_00: Yourself okay and are you notes or are you there have been there have been a couple times over the years where I was dating somebody at the time and they would watch it with me.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah um but most of the time it is me by myself yes I well when I had a when I wrote about it the next day I had a yellow legal pad and I had notes all written.
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SPEAKER_00: Now since I don't write about the show anymore I'll take notes on my notepad on my phone and I would just be like you know like I said once Taylor Frankie Paul season airs I think I'm going to go live on my YouTube channel right after every episode airs and is my immediate thoughts because again waiting till the next day it's like so many people so many of the other content creators they get screeners of the episode so they see it beforehand.
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SPEAKER_00: That's why their show is pre-taped and goes live a minute after the show ends and you're just like wait you just watch so I'll be the only one who will be giving my thoughts in real time those people while they'll go live right after the show airs their show's already taped because they got the screener for it on Thursday or Friday and it airs on Sunday.
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SPEAKER_00: So they film it and then just air it that day I'm gonna go live right after the show ends and I'll be looking at my notes and being like okay this is what I thought of what we just saw.
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SPEAKER_03: So you're gonna be watching the golden the Bachelor of it we found yeah Jimmy and I'm gonna be watching we're gonna be watching it too watching you and we'll be watching it we're gonna be watching everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah you cannot watch it I know right it's like look nothing the thing is when they canceled it they admitted due to the video that was released today the video the three and a half minute footage of her throwing bar stools at her baby daddy they said due to the video we we are you know we're putting the on pause nothing's changed since then the video still exists they just wanted to let the temperature die down right which I think it has which I think it has nobody cares it's like a lot of the people say like just air the season already like but they weren't saying that back in March.
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SPEAKER_00: No they were like how in this how in the world can you air this right now?
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SPEAKER_00: And you're like yeah you couldn't because that video was too fresh in people's minds.
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SPEAKER_00: The video still exists it's not fresh in people's minds though now so and on top of it everybody know the edcom we know who's winning we know what we know who's winning we know what's happening in our life abbreviate it right it won't be a normal season length or even we don't know we don't I technically we don't know but I I don't know like their regular season what they filmed they had four episodes in LA then they went to Colorado then they went to Vegas then they went to Miami so that's seven episodes episode eight is hometowns that's normal for a bachelor bachelorette season episode eight is hometowns episode nine will be overnight dates episode ten will be the uh mentel all and then the finale so it's a 12 episode season so the only thing that we don't know is is it going to be dropped on a streamer is it going to be dropped on Hulu where even if it is do you do a six episode drop and then three like Love is blind six then three then two then one or is it going to be a weekly drop of just one episode a week we don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: The latest report that TMZ had was it's gonna be shown on ABC mid-July and that's what I heard back in the beginning of May.
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SPEAKER_00: Right they reported what you reported yeah they reported what I reported claiming that it was their report whatever TMZ sorry TMZ but no it is for sure I I was always told it was going to be on ABC but then ABC released their summer schedule and their fall schedule and the bachelorette wasn't on it.
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SPEAKER_04: So I was like well maybe it is going to go to a stream just can't but you can change it like that I think it makes sense to be on Hulu but like you said you know the want to create some you don't want to put them all out at the same time to like yeah we've never I mean in the history of this show obviously because it's been on ABC it's never been a show that was a binge drop right where you can watch it all together.
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SPEAKER_00: And when if you do that with the bachelorette everybody's watching on different times.
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SPEAKER_00: If you do one episode a week it's like nobody can get really that far ahead or behind you know because there's like one episode a week.
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SPEAKER_00: If you were to be like hey we're dropping Taylor Frankie Paul season on Hulu on July 15th and we're dropping all 12 episodes it's like wait a second you can't do that or everything up to the because they're probably still going to do a live finale like they usually do because they like doing those how how do you how do you do that?
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SPEAKER_00: Everyone's gonna be watching at different times content creators are going to be putting out hey I'm covering episodes one to six on the bachelor we're like well I haven't watched it yet right so I I don't know what they're gonna do.
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SPEAKER_00: My guess is if well put it this way if it airs on ABC it's airing one episode a week it's gonna be its regular schedule because ABC isn't going to do they don't do you don't have a six hour block to air episodes on a network show.
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SPEAKER_00: So right all right well we're gonna we're gonna see and uh I can't tell you how fun this has been for us right yeah yeah thank you very much for and and again Pascal I can't thank you enough for just getting me out here this weekend uh taking care of me showing me around you've been uh one of the more gracious hosts uh I've ever had and uh you know it's been great getting to know you uh getting to know your girlfriend Jenny just what a wonderful woman she is and uh yeah thank you for everything that's my pleasure and um but um thank you for accepting our invitation Jimmy I'm very grateful to have you here and hopefully in the future we'll have you again yeah you know anytime and uh and keep following us and uh see you next time.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes anytime