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The Mandalorian Chapter 24: The Return · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello there, welcome to the ned Palty.
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  Speaker 1: This is Nick and Nostasy, you lead editor and writer
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  Speaker 2: John.
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  Speaker 1: We're reaching the end here, which is so exciting of
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  Speaker 1: the Mandalarian season three, and you know we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be discussing the return, which wraps up basically, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everything that we've been working on with this show up
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  Speaker 1: until this point. We are going to bring all of
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  Speaker 1: the story points to a close in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 1: especially by the time that we end this episode. And
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  Speaker 1: so I wanted to ask you this. Okay, we we
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  Speaker 1: start the episode with axe Wolves still traveling into the
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere and he's able to make contact just enough. I
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  Speaker 1: have to ask you, is that just too convenient or
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  Speaker 1: does it work for you?
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  Speaker 2: Too convenient? But I was able to move past it.
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  Speaker 2: It was a bit too convenient, but I was okay
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  Speaker 2: with it where I said okay, And I think probably
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  Speaker 2: because contextually I made peace with it from the sense
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  Speaker 2: that I know this is the last episode and they're
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  Speaker 2: pressing the gas because they wasted some time earlier in
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  Speaker 2: the season. Okay, I think had this been like we
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  Speaker 2: discussed last episode, a three episode arc for the finale,
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  Speaker 2: you would have had more time to do this, but
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  Speaker 2: they had to go in shorthand am I being too harsh?
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  Speaker 2: Do you agree?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I can rapize it in the sense that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're just writing a jet pack, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to take a while to get out of the
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  Speaker 1: you know, atmosphere of a planet. You know you're going fast,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not going that fast. You know, we're not
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  Speaker 1: going ship speed. So you know, I can I can
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  Speaker 1: rationalize it in that way, and it doesn't feel that bad,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But no, I think in some ways you're
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  Speaker 1: right in that sense that yes, but they also set
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  Speaker 1: it up in the previous episode, so it was just like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, okay, I get what you're doing. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it go because that's what we need
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think it's possible that this is one of
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  Speaker 2: those bits that works better when you have to wait
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  Speaker 2: a week between episodes, because you're coming into it having
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  Speaker 2: felt the passage of time, whereas on a rewatch you're
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  Speaker 2: watching it in quicker succession, and so it cuts that
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  Speaker 2: dramatic thing, like they counted on the feeling of I've
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  Speaker 2: been waiting seven days feeling like it's more extended and
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  Speaker 2: and you know, more of a trial to get through.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that's as a good point.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know this this episode, you know, picks
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  Speaker 1: up right where we left off in the sense of
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  Speaker 1: we we know, uh, Gideon's desire right his his desire
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  Speaker 1: is to turn himself into a force wielding maniac that
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  Speaker 1: will also be able to create unstoppable troopers with best
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  Speaker 1: gar armor, and so he can have the best of
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  Speaker 1: both worlds, which he can then utilize to reconquer the
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  Speaker 1: galaxy in the name of the Empire. And I got
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  Speaker 1: to ask you this, Ah, do you feel like that
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  Speaker 1: the season then had also done a good enough job
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  Speaker 1: of laying that groundwork of just Gideon and his plan
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  Speaker 1: and what he's been after this whole time, so that
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  Speaker 1: we finally kind of have all the pieces coming together
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  Speaker 1: in that story.
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  Speaker 2: I think that all of the elements are there, but
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  Speaker 2: they are told too far apart. The Doctor Pershing episode
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  Speaker 2: is so early on in the season that I think
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  Speaker 2: there's too much distance. I think it's easy to sit
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  Speaker 2: there because they make reference to Doctor Pershing in the spies.
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  Speaker 2: We know that Gideon's been working with him, but it's
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  Speaker 2: told over to too long a time span. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: I think that again, casual watchers have to be reminded,
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  Speaker 2: Oh remember Pershing was working on cloning. Like this is
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  Speaker 2: where I think the lure gets a little jumbled. I'm
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  Speaker 2: delighted by it because they mentioned Project Necromancer last time,
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  Speaker 2: and I've got to tie in now with the bad
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  Speaker 2: Batch because Gideon is carrying forward with the Kaminoans. We're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do on Sidius' behalf with Omega. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that's phenomenal. I love it raises some questions about the
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  Speaker 2: origin of Grogo again because you know, oh, okay, but
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  Speaker 2: it is like it's I'm so torn. I'm so torn
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  Speaker 2: because I think, as from an objective standpoint, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they kind of fumble the storytelling here a little bit
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  Speaker 2: by having so many parts of it stretched out and
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  Speaker 2: interrupted by pirates and and Jack Black and stuff like that. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it's a storytelling hump at the script level. But as
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  Speaker 2: a deep dive nerdy fan, I remember the first time
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  Speaker 2: I watched it and even watching it, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: quicker succession with my kid, you know, it's like, oh cool, cool, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he's cloning himself. He's trying to make them Jedi. I
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  Speaker 2: almost wish it had been successful in the sense that
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  Speaker 2: like they would have come out and turned on him
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  Speaker 2: because they would have all been jerks like him sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing. But also you see that he succeeded. So
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  Speaker 2: do we get pointed toward the way of Snoke where
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, yeah, the breakthrough yep, yeah, No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, this season in this series, as well
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  Speaker 1: as the Bad Batcher doing such heavy lifting to try
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  Speaker 1: and make some sense of the sequel trilogy. So kudos
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  Speaker 1: to them for that. But I think the beauty of
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  Speaker 1: that is that it actually tells a great story or
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  Speaker 1: here right, you know, and it creates a terrifying villain
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  Speaker 1: for the Mandalorians to need to take out because without
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  Speaker 1: doing that, as we mentioned last episode, this is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be bad for the entire galaxy, not just Mandalorians and
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  Speaker 1: so and the fact that he was able to do
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  Speaker 1: this thing finally with the clones that were in that room,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he alludes to the fact that they're there
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  Speaker 1: will exactly what he wanted, and so, okay, that's that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I I do agree with you, though it's again,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it comes down to the season needing to
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  Speaker 1: be edited in a way that all of these stories
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  Speaker 1: flow together more readily and more easily, so that the
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  Speaker 1: connections feel more organic and less kind of discombobulated from
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  Speaker 1: one another, you know, Like you mentioned the long disconnection
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  Speaker 1: between the pershing episode at the beginning of the season
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  Speaker 1: and getting to these last two episodes. Yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 1: long time, you know, especially when you're doing week release
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  Speaker 1: television as well. So if you're not interweaving the stories enough,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it can be difficult to kind of just remember, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what happened. And it's like you're also connecting to
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  Speaker 1: a season, other seasons of the show that took place
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  Speaker 1: like three years ago. That's the other part of this.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, you can watch it again on streaming. I
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  Speaker 1: get that, But still there's a lot of things kind
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  Speaker 1: of at play here that don't do you any favors,
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  Speaker 1: right when when you write a season of television like
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  Speaker 1: the third season the way you.
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  Speaker 2: Have, yes, And I think another part of that is
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  Speaker 2: they got a little more complex in season two, but
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  Speaker 2: it was still pretty focus. I have Grogu, Grogu going,
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  Speaker 2: getting Grogu to place to do things. First season is
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  Speaker 2: I have Grogu. I'm protecting Grogu. They want to take
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  Speaker 2: grog away from me. I have to protect him and
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  Speaker 2: save him. Very straightforward storytelling. This is lore storytelling. And additionally,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's difficult and this is what the movie
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  Speaker 2: Mandalorian and Grogu does better because it has to be
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  Speaker 2: more focused because it's only two hours is Grogu without
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  Speaker 2: having to protect Chase. After save Grogu, your main thread
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  Speaker 2: for what people were watching for is gone. It's tougher
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  Speaker 2: to follow this because the audience has to keep up
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  Speaker 2: with Oh well, I'm trying to get our people back
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  Speaker 2: to Mandalor, and I'm trying to rejoin the Covert, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get myself baptized again so that i
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  Speaker 2: can be forgiven for breaking the creed, and I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to protect Navarro from the pirates, and I'm trying to Like,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much and I'm trying to that. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's it is. There's no focus to the season
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  Speaker 2: until these last two episodes, and it's too late to
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  Speaker 2: have this type of focus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is where it really comes into focus, right,
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  Speaker 1: And you know, in the sense of like we're bringing
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  Speaker 1: together the three seasons, you know, and I think another
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  Speaker 1: thing that happens there. I'm watching this with my wife
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  Speaker 1: and you know, Dinn calls R five and we're like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: was our five just left on mandalor right, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And so that's another one of those places where it's
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  Speaker 1: it's the editing of the season. It's hard to remember
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  Speaker 1: that R five just got left on mandelor he never
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  Speaker 1: he never made it off or did he? And it's
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  Speaker 1: like that's one of those things as well where it
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  Speaker 1: becomes a little bit you know, frustrating with the way
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  Speaker 1: that the season has worked.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I don't want this though, because
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like there's a lot of nitpicks that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about with with this episode, but they really
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  Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with the episode. There's so
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  Speaker 1: much more to do with the season itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but but they do have a bit to do
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  Speaker 2: with the episode because of the fact that they're there's it.
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  Speaker 2: This is better than the previous episode in terms of
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  Speaker 2: its apportionment of time, and it's the self contained story elements.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there is a focus here in this
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  Speaker 2: episode it's very clear what I'm trying to achieve and
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  Speaker 2: what I'm along for the ride for. Because you've put
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  Speaker 2: everybody into extreme danger along with Groku, and you have
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  Speaker 2: these you know that you have all of these different
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  Speaker 2: fights going on, you have all of these different things.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's cut together very, very well. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to skip ahead really quick. We can always come back
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  Speaker 2: to other stuff, but I'm going to skip ahead, and
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  Speaker 2: I have to ask, do you think the destruction of
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  Speaker 2: the Dark Saber carried as much weight for people who
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  Speaker 2: never watch the animated series and were introduced to it
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  Speaker 2: in this series? Do you think the destruction of it
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  Speaker 2: carried the same weight that it did for somebody like
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  Speaker 2: us who first got to know the Dark Saber in
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  Speaker 2: the Clone Wars and there's this end of a long
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  Speaker 2: journey of this thing. Do you think that that impact
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  Speaker 2: landed as well for the casual fans.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think And it feels like to me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, having just rewatched season two with you and
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  Speaker 1: then being in season three, I feel like the show
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  Speaker 1: has done a good job with building the lore of
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  Speaker 1: the Dark Saber for the most part, and the desire
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  Speaker 1: then that we you know, had learned about in the
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  Speaker 1: last episode with exactly what went down with this Night
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  Speaker 1: of one thousand Tiers and this desire that Gideon has
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  Speaker 1: for the Dark Saber, and I think it's accentuated here
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  Speaker 1: by learning these last two episodes that you know, his
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  Speaker 1: desire is to be for sensitive, so makes sense not
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  Speaker 1: only why he would want a lightsaber, but he wants
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  Speaker 1: the lightsaber that represents the Mandalorian culture too. And I
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  Speaker 1: think all of that really works on its own terms
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that I do feel that this show
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  Speaker 1: as a whole has done a good job of building
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  Speaker 1: its own mythology of this object, so that when it
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  Speaker 1: is destroyed, it is kind of like this moment of Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my goodness, like this really important thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Is this going to then impact Bocaton and the Mandalorians
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  Speaker 1: that she's just been able to bring together? Finally? Is
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  Speaker 1: this going to create disunity and disharmony once again once
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  Speaker 1: this is all over? You know? And so I do
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  Speaker 1: think there's enough of that. I think, you know, as
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  Speaker 1: we've mentioned too many times, if you had found a
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  Speaker 1: way to, you know, bring this season to us in
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  Speaker 1: a more cohesive way, I think it could have been
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  Speaker 1: even better. But I think that they do a decent
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  Speaker 1: job of building their own mythology for people who don't
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  Speaker 1: know it from say the Clone Wars, like you get
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  Speaker 1: the sense that this is incredibly important. Of course, it
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  Speaker 1: means so much more to us, of course, But I
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  Speaker 1: think they do it a good what's your thought on that?
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  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I mean I think that I think it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I do. I mean, I think I sort of showed
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  Speaker 2: a little leg in the way I set up the
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  Speaker 2: question where I think it didn't land as as strongly
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  Speaker 2: as it should have could have overall, but I think
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  Speaker 2: that it lands well enough, and that it lands well enough,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the context of the fact that we see
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  Speaker 2: that the way forward for the Mandalorians you had mentioned
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  Speaker 2: when we were talking about this, there's maybe a thousand left,
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  Speaker 2: and we find out that the children of the Watch
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  Speaker 2: we've now graduated into in a very sneaky way, the
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  Speaker 2: Mandalorians that we read about in the Expanded Universe through
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  Speaker 2: the nineties of Blood doesn't matter. Adoption is the way
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to go forward, and adoption found family
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  Speaker 2: is a huge continuing thread in Star Wars. So the
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  Speaker 2: Mandalorians have now found a way forward where they no
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  Speaker 2: longer need a dark Saber because they're not about a
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  Speaker 2: cultural unity sort of thing. It's about your culture changing
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  Speaker 2: and expanding and welcoming people in to build a stronger culture.
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  Speaker 2: At least that's the way I take it. My next
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  Speaker 2: question to you would actually be do you think Gideon's
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  Speaker 2: really dead? Do you think that he's as dead as
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  Speaker 2: they need him to be, but if they decide to
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  Speaker 2: do a season four they could bring him back still well?
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  Speaker 2: Or do you think this is it? This is the
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  Speaker 2: end of Gideon.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean the moment that he dies in this
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  Speaker 1: fiery blast, he does not have his helmet on. True,
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I don't see how you survive that inferno.
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  Speaker 1: You're exposed, Yes, exactly. There was a lot of dancing
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  Speaker 1: happening in the background and a lot of hip thrusts,
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  Speaker 1: and that's really what got him. No. Look, I just
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  Speaker 1: I think that he is dead, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: the beauty of the Shadow Collective in the previous episode
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  Speaker 1: is it allows us to understand that there are more
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  Speaker 1: of these guys out there, and it already set up
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  Speaker 1: that the main threat, the biggest threat of the galaxy
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  Speaker 1: is the one we're not quite sure where he is,
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  Speaker 1: and that's Admiral Thron and of course Ahsoka is going
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  Speaker 1: to pick that up and run with it. And and
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  Speaker 1: the goal, it sounds like in some ways at some
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  Speaker 1: point is we're going to bring all these characters together
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  Speaker 1: to fight him, I think. And so you know, I
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  Speaker 1: I think get In can be dead and should be
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  Speaker 1: dead at this point, and they should just allow that
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  Speaker 1: to be the case, because it also it lets the
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  Speaker 1: show mature and grow in the way.
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  Speaker 2: That I think.
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  Speaker 1: You know, watching this was fascinating after watching Mandoin Grogu,
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  Speaker 1: because I was really struck about the way in which
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  Speaker 1: Grogu feels so much older in the Mando Learning Grogu.
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  Speaker 1: If you've watched this episode, he feels so much more
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  Speaker 1: childish in this, you know, just even with the vocalizations
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  Speaker 1: and even if he's kind of like actions and everything
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  Speaker 1: about him feels slightly more childish. Right, But you watch
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  Speaker 1: this and you watch Mandal Learning Grogu, and you're like, man,
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  Speaker 1: that character just feels like it really has progressed. He
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  Speaker 1: has grown, he has matured. And I really liked that,
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  Speaker 1: And so for me, I think he should be dead
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  Speaker 1: and and and so I do you feel the same
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  Speaker 1: or You're like, they'll bring him back. They want No.
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  Speaker 2: I think Gideon's played it played out, Gideon's done. There,
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  Speaker 2: there's no there's nowhere to go with a Gideon character
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  Speaker 2: at this point. They've they've you know, we didn't think
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  Speaker 2: he was dead at the end of season one. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he immediately comes back and like this has all been
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  Speaker 2: or season two, like this is all building toward. This
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  Speaker 2: is the character is dead, he's done, he's finished. We've
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  Speaker 2: ridden this plot line as far as we can. I
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  Speaker 2: think the only way forward if you're going to bring
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  Speaker 2: the Imperials into it, which I kind of hope they
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: don't because I think Mandalorian and Grogu has proven that
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  Speaker 2: you don't need the Imperials to be the bad guys anymore.
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  Speaker 2: But if they were to choose the Imperials, and it's
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  Speaker 2: all got to depend on you know, Ahsoka season two,
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  Speaker 2: But if they were to choose the Imperials, I think
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  Speaker 2: you have a very fascinating Brendel Huck's connection to Pursue
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  Speaker 2: or play and if you want to tie it in
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  Speaker 2: to Thron, yeah, absolutely one or both of them, because
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  Speaker 2: they they definitely appear in the collective to be getting
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  Speaker 2: along with each other pretty well, and I think that
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that could be interesting, but it would have to be
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: very careful to very clearly point us in the direction
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of lower building without alienating the casual fans who are
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: getting picked up by the Mandalorian and Grogu.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, I think one of the things
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: as well, that you know, we connect with the sequel trilogy,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of course, is the Pretor and Guard And man, did
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: they love the armor.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I love that It's so so very good. And the fighting.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Sequence with Mando was great, you know. I thought it
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: was really well done. Uh. And so it's one of
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: those things where I I appreciate so much when we
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: can work to bring the Star Wars saga together and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: make it feel more cohesive, you know, And I appreciate that,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: uh when possible. They do that with this show, and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I think that they do a really great job of it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And this this you know, what did you think about
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the end of the episode where you know, Grogu gets
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: adopted and the Great Forge is reignited, and then you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Mando goes and gets himself a new job.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I like the fact that Mando gets a new job.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: The show is declaring that we've played this out. We're
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: moving on now. I appreciate that it is very much
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: an end of three season arc. It's not an end
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of this season arc. It's an end of three season arc.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm happy with that. We have given the Mandalorians
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: as happy and ending as we can. And I honestly
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: think that ending with Mando sitting on the porch with
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: his kid in the front yard playing is beautiful because
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: again it's the found family thing. It's Mando is retired.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: My one question to you would be, with all of
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the culmination of how big a deal it is to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: go back to Mandalorian. He identifies as a Mandalorian and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: everything is the Mandalorian. Does it feel organic enough for
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you that he then decides to leave Mandalor and do
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: something else. Yeah?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I thought that they actually did a really good job
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: with that, because, you know, the Armorer tells him, you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: this is your son, he's your apprentice and you the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: same thing that happened for you needs to happen for him.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: He needs to be taken on adventures so he can
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: learn to do the job. Uh. And I thought it
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: was great, you know, I really did. Yeah, And I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and and what was beautiful about it is that I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: think that it sets up what they actually do in
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the film perfectly, because the very thing that the armorer
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: said to Din about what Grogu needs is what they
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: do in that movie. That whole movie then becomes about
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Grogu being on an adventure that helps him grow and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: begin to take more responsibility of what it truly means
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to be in this life that his dad has chosen
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and that he has chosen as well.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you point toward that because you mentioned it
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: earlier in the discussion, and I think you're absolutely right
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: where you can see growth through this season very clearly,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and I think you then see the leap into Mandalorian
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and Grogu. Even in the very first adventure, the young
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Grogu that we're used to wouldn't have hidden in the beginning,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have been reliable enough to jump out and
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: stop the mouse Troid. He would have done things a
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: bit differently, and then through the course of that film,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I think this this ending point for Grogu points toward,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: like you're saying, where he is in the Mandalorian and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Grogu movie. And so yeah, I think that my one
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: question for you. To wrap up our discussion of season
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: three is do you come out of this? And now,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: of course we have the context of the movie. Do
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: you want a season four or do you want them
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: instead to remain focused on telling stories by little leaps
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: with more movies instead of seasons.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think I can answer that question until I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: see what they're going to do with Ahsoka season two,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: because I think that that is going to lay the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: groundwork for a lot of where Dave wants to go.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And my guess is is that it will also be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: answered as question at celebration next year, when they most
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: likely announce the things that they're going to be doing
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: with all of these characters that we've been seeing, all
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the animationtion stuff that might be coming, you know. So
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I would not mind seeing another season.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I also wouldn't mind seeing another film. What I want
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: them to do personally is I want them to choose
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: what works best for the stories that they want to tell.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: If that's in a movie, do it, If that's in
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a season, do it. I'm I'm okay with either, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I do think that we need to make sure and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I think Dave's well aware of this. You know, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and and the rest of his team is well aware
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: of this. We do need there to be Star Wars
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: movies in the theater every two three years, right, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: just one. We don't need many. We just you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: one movie every two years, you know exactly. And if
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you do that, I think that it's fantastic. So that's
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: my feeling on it. I'm not beholden to one or
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the other. I'm just beholden to what's best for the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: overall structure of Star Wars moving forward. And I'm just
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I'm very much in the camp of yes, we have
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to make sure that Star Wars has a great presence
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: on the big screen. And if that is best helped
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: then by Mando and Grogu having more adventures on the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: big screen, great, do it. If something else is that,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: do that, you know.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I think that the final, the final point for me
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: in context of that, is that whatever they choose, that
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: is going to be the fate of the stories going forward.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think that you can successfully leap to the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: big screen, step back to a show, and then go
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: back to the big screen again. I think they shot
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: their shot, it went well enough, and now if they
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: choose movies only going forward. That's what they gotta do
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: if they choose to go back to streaming. I think
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: they're making a declaration that they're coming back to streaming
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and staying there, because I don't think that it would
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: work to flip flop between the two, because you will
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: you will have a substantial portion of the audience to say,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I'm watching it on stream. I'm I'm just waiting for
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it to be released on streaming, and you won't get
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the movie theater thing going for you. But what you
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: can get if you if you don't want to wait
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: for next year's celebration to talk to Matt about all
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of these great things with the Mandalorian, we're going to
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: point where you can talk to him now. After Matt
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you give your rating for this episode and the full season.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give this episode of four as well.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. I think it brings together the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: season and just the series. Well we didn't talk about this,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: but I think the effects work in this episode is
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: really good. They did a great job. You did not
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: have some of the issues we were talking about with
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the volume really in this episode, and I think mainly
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that's because they were in confined sets, and it just
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: it was great. I loved it. So yeah, this is
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a four for me, and I'm really happy with that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: The entire season as a whole, I think I have
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to give it a three out of five. And that's
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: just because there is as good there is strength in
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the in the strongest episodes, but it truly is hampered
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: by a season that just is not functionally put together
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: in a way that is as cohesive and riveting as
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: it could have been if it had been worked together better,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you know, if we had just done the job of
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: pulling together the story and putting together the story in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: a way that weaved all the storylines so that you
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: were hopping from story to story in a way that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: felt like you're climbing up a ladder, you know, instead
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, it's like I went into a split
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: level house and I went up, and then I had
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to go down, and then I had to go back
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: up again, and then I had to go sideways, you know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and it's just like, yeah, it's a bad example anyway.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: So that's that's what I got. What about you, John,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I like, what are you?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I like your example because it sounds like that house
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that supposedly is like all haunted with likes to Nowhere
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, which I think you have stumbled
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: on an apropos comparison for the season. For this episode,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: it is a solid four, very solid for really enjoyed
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: this episode, and I think it's because it's so focused
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and it's action packed, and I agree with you, the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: effects work is really good here, really really good. I
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: think that the season as a whole, I'm going to
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: actually wind up being more forgiving. Hey, it happens every
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: so often where I'm a little more forgiving than Matt.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: It's very rare, but it happens. But I'm gonna come
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: down it's a tiny bit more forgiving three and a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: half because I'm always very forgiving when you can stick
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the landing. And while this is not like a perfect dismount,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: considering how I expected the season to end from what
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: came before to land it this well, I'm significant impressed
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: that I still got two episodes where I said, you know, I,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I had a heck of a good time watching those. Yeah,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And so this season gets a three and a half
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: on the strength of just a strong landing when the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: rest of it was so uneven, so as we teased,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: people are undoubtedly going to want to talk to you
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: online about your reaction to the Mandalorian Season three. Matt,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: where can they reach out to you and find you online?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and thank you to I've had lots of people
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: just there were some things that I was tweeting about,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: some frustrations with what we talked about on review with
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: just the industry in general and that kind of stuff.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And I had some really good interactions with some people
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: about just seeing that other people are frustrated with this
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: stuff as well. So thank you for the interactions. It
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: was really nice to see. Yeah, you know, so social
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: media doesn't have to be a cess pool. So check
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: me out on social media and the name Matt Rushing
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: zero two. If I'm on that platform, that's where you'll
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: find me under that name. Of course, you know, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: even inspired a blog post by a good friend of mine,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: so maybe you'll find that and read that. You can
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: also find me over on the nerd Party network here
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: without posts, talk about every single chapter the Harry Potter
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: series over on the TFM network with the crossovers we
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: do with the six or two clip, you'll find me there.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Talked about all of these franchises we love, plus a
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: lot of great star trek talk with my good friend
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Chris Jones, so please check all that out. But John,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I know that people are going to want
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to check out the Kessel Junkie blog, which has just
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: come back out of retirement with I would say, some
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: absolute bangers. So where can people find you?
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Careful now, because the Kessel Junkie blog is run for
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: free and from the benefit of spare time, and it's
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: just been a blessing that I've been able to fire
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: off a couple of posts without losing too much sleep.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you Matt for the shout outppreciate that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: And of course you can find me as Castle Chunkie
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: on your social network of choice. Letterbox and Goodreads are
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: my favorites because I love talking about movies and books,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and you can find me here on the network, co
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: hosting House Lights with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser, where
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: we talk about movies of all things, but we have
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: a really good time doing it, and we have some
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: very spirited conversations because alternatingly, I find out that Tristan
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: is dead inside and Darren doesn't agree with me, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: both of those are very bad things. So you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep trying to rehab them. But Matt,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: before I go back to trying to rehab them, I
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: need to go and try to market these stuffed animal
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: versions of us that we're going to start trying to
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: sell at a galactic scale. And so I think it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: time to close these negotiations.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Well, John, negotiations are closed.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.