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Rings of Power Season 2 · May The Review Be With You

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  Speaker 1: That might have been the best shot of the entire show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: during the third leaping into battle against Bella, do you
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  Speaker 1: think what he did would actually brave or was it
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  Speaker 1: more cowardly because he was just saying, oh, I messed up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to own up to any of.
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  Speaker 2: It, only because we know how it turns out. You
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  Speaker 2: might actually be right.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Made the Review. Be with you
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  Speaker 1: with Nick the show. I'm Joe, I'm Nick, and today
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about Rings of Power season two. We
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  Speaker 1: have crossed the threshold. We are over the finale and
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  Speaker 1: we're going over all of the madness that is happening
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  Speaker 1: in Middle Earth. But before we get to that next
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  Speaker 1: how you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 1: Look?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you? Not as good as you, but we'll try it.
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  Speaker 2: We're trying.
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  Speaker 1: We're actually not this nice to each other usually. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: really only an on camera thing.
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  Speaker 2: We strongly dislike each other in real life strongly. I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing well. I I cannot stop thinking about the finale
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  Speaker 2: of Rings and Rings and Power season two. It's uh, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get into it, but it has been
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  Speaker 2: living rent free in my head for about three or
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  Speaker 2: four days. So it's just an absolute insane spectacle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's how that's how I'm doing.
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  Speaker 1: Stuck in Middle Earth. I don't blame y, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't blame yet there are as horrible as Middle Earth
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  Speaker 1: can be, there are times where I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't look so bad.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I had that thought at
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  Speaker 2: all during this episode, but of this.
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  Speaker 1: Episode, yeah, definitely not. But like, as as you point out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this really was a spectacle, and we've had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of spectacle going on in TV in streaming
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  Speaker 1: recently with Agatha and I believe the fourth episode just
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  Speaker 1: coming out, and man, that was so fun. That show
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  Speaker 1: is so fun. I'm having such a great time with.
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  Speaker 2: That show was a perfect amount of fun and like
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  Speaker 2: spooky for this time of year two. It's it's just
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  Speaker 2: like a joy to watch, and not all the MCU
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  Speaker 2: TV series have been like that. And I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: it's such a joy and so well done that I
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  Speaker 2: found myself thinking why have they not done? Like how
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  Speaker 2: come they've put products like Secret Invasion on there? You know,
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  Speaker 2: like ah, shots fired well because it just wasn't very good,
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  Speaker 2: you know, But then you get something.
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  Speaker 1: Like Acothol that was generous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get something like agathol alonger like this is fantastic,
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  Speaker 2: like this is what the MCU is good at, and
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  Speaker 2: just kind of makes you question some of the things
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  Speaker 2: they've done that weren't good but overall spooky fun check
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  Speaker 2: it out honestly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you could do an entire episode on unjust
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  Speaker 1: the MCU post endgame and like why it probably isn't
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  Speaker 1: firing on all cylinders all the time, right, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree it. I wish more of their products were
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  Speaker 1: like this right. It's where or at least like the
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  Speaker 1: TV streaming stuff right where you can just put it on,
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  Speaker 1: just have a good time, right down. The Witch's Road
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  Speaker 1: song that we got in that episode super cool. Loved
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  Speaker 1: that little curse demon that flies in.
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  Speaker 2: Not super creepy, loved that really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we will have our own Agatha episode at
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  Speaker 1: some point, well not some point what it's done, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just we're having a great time. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: let's get into brings up Power. Okay, so we are
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  Speaker 1: at We're done. We're done with season two of Rings
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  Speaker 1: of Power. Crazy. It was a lot in eight episodes.
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  Speaker 1: It honestly kind of felt like its own like trilogy
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  Speaker 1: of movies at times, and we have so many different storylines,
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  Speaker 1: many of them all kind of coalescing in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: And just you know, you were talking earlier about how
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  Speaker 1: this is living rent free in your head, where are
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  Speaker 1: you in the wake of all of this.
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  Speaker 2: I am mentally just I'm still blown away at like
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  Speaker 2: the insane scope of that finale and the amount of
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  Speaker 2: like story completion slash story like just continuing the build
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  Speaker 2: up that we got. Right, we got a lot of resolution,
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  Speaker 2: but we also got a lot of setup for the
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  Speaker 2: next season already from like each different section of Middle Earth,
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  Speaker 2: if you will. Right, Like the fact that the episode
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  Speaker 2: started off with the dwarves and kas like doom, Like
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  Speaker 2: that was just so such an insane way to start
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  Speaker 2: the episode, like my jaws on the floor of the
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  Speaker 2: rest of it, you know, it's like this is how
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  Speaker 2: we're starting the last episode, Like this is insane. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm just still mentally just not recovered. I think from
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  Speaker 2: the finale it was fantastic. That might be the best
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  Speaker 2: episode they've done yet, which is insane to say, because
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  Speaker 2: there's been some really good episodes.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I think where I'm at
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  Speaker 1: with this particular episode, I think it was one of
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  Speaker 1: its strongest episodes. I don't think I'm as like hot
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  Speaker 1: on this show overall as you are right now, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll definitely talk more about that toward the end of this.
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  Speaker 1: There are things about the show that I that I love.
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  Speaker 1: There are things about the show that of like scratched
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  Speaker 1: my head at Overall, I think I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: good show. I think it's a good show, and it
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  Speaker 1: makes me mad that it could be a great show,
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  Speaker 1: and there are things that hold it bad. But again,
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  Speaker 1: save that for the end. Let's start off, Nick, you
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  Speaker 1: brought up Kazak Dum and the very strong easily the
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  Speaker 1: strongest intro that they've ever had in any episode with
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  Speaker 1: during the third and during the fourth, and during the
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  Speaker 1: third breaking open that that wall of the mountain only
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  Speaker 1: to discover this like huge canyon of Mitheral. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of mind boggling. I actually, for a moment I
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  Speaker 1: thought we weren't going to see anything back there, like
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  Speaker 1: the ring had deceived him all this time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't have that thought. I thought it was well,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have that thought just because they kind of
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  Speaker 2: had hinted at something else. I mean, I mean, and
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  Speaker 2: we also know something else is in the mountain, right,
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  Speaker 2: So I guess it's kind of like it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of hard to not think that you're we're about to
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  Speaker 2: just see this, you know, uh, terror be unleashed to
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  Speaker 2: give you all exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, So, like you said, this was a
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  Speaker 1: banger way to start, and this is something they have
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  Speaker 1: been teasing since the first season that we were going
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  Speaker 1: to get a bell Rock at some point, that this
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  Speaker 1: is the bell Rock that Gandalf defeats in Fellowship, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see him. Uh, And we finally got there and
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  Speaker 1: he was glorious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, shot, magnificent scene. Right and then when when King
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  Speaker 2: Dorn uh like just takes the leap of faith like
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  Speaker 2: says goodbye and just swings his axe and it meets
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  Speaker 2: the bell Rock's flame, Like what a freaking cinematic masterpiece,
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  Speaker 2: Like so cool.
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  Speaker 1: That might have been the best shot of the entire show. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: during the third leaping into battle so again.
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  Speaker 2: And taking the ring off right before too right, just
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  Speaker 2: like finally his mind is free and I realize this,
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  Speaker 2: He's made a huge mistake. And of course we know
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  Speaker 2: that like he doesn't complete his he doesn't completely right
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  Speaker 2: is wrong there, because you know, having the the privilege
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  Speaker 2: of knowing what happens. Kind of later on we know
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  Speaker 2: that he did not win that battle.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, do you think what he did was actually
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  Speaker 1: brave or was it more cowardly because he was just like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I messed up. I'm not going to own up to
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  Speaker 1: any of.
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  Speaker 2: It, only because we know how it turns out. You
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  Speaker 2: might actually be right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like maybe he could with the ring. He
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, this goes really poorly if I stayed around,
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  Speaker 1: All right, done your king? Now have fun with that man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it's all seriousness. Though. I think that the dwarf
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  Speaker 1: storyline in this season was probably my favorite. It's also
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  Speaker 1: got the best character work between Duran, his father, Duran's wife,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it was I don't know, like I was
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  Speaker 1: legitimately like kind of I was. I was touched. Like
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  Speaker 1: when when Duran is telling the story of like him
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  Speaker 1: and his father, like arm wrestling right, and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: there was no one stronger than my father. And then
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  Speaker 1: for like that to come back and have the final
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  Speaker 1: words of during the third be like, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: I never like let you get close to winning, like
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  Speaker 1: you were pushing because like you were always getting stronger.
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  Speaker 1: That was cool. That was that was a nice like
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  Speaker 1: final note to like leave on before you know shit
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  Speaker 1: hits the fan. Let's I wanna I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: everything about Kazakh Doom while while we're still here, we
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  Speaker 1: have so many other stories to cover. So toward the
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  Speaker 1: end of this episode, we we get back to Kazakh
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  Speaker 1: Doom and we see that Duran and company have escaped
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  Speaker 1: from the Bell Rock, who, as you point out, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: will return at some point. That was something I was
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  Speaker 1: actually a little scared about that the Bell Rock was
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  Speaker 1: just gonna rekavoc and it was going to be like
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  Speaker 1: a one and done sort of situation. It's not. There
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  Speaker 1: is promise that this thing is going to return, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: and we get this story about how the Dwarves are
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  Speaker 1: coming to pay the tribute that they promised King during
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  Speaker 1: the third that they were going to do for the
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  Speaker 1: Rings of Power, and it seems as though there will
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  Speaker 1: be some inner turmoil under the Misty Mountains very soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, might have a little political political turmoil for who
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  Speaker 2: the rightful heir of the throne is coming up here
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  Speaker 2: set up for season three, which you know, I guess
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  Speaker 2: makes some sense, makes it a little bit more exciting.
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  Speaker 2: I guess. I'm a world building world building perspective there
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  Speaker 2: for the Dwarves, So we'll see what happens there and
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  Speaker 2: so many Like I'm so intrigued with what's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen with all the Dwarven rings, Like, I'm really intrigued
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  Speaker 2: to see how that storyline goes, right, because like those
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  Speaker 2: we know clearly infected by swarn, it's like not good.
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  Speaker 2: It's a situation for the Dwarves, right, and we know
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  Speaker 2: that they definitely don't end well. It doesn't end well
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  Speaker 2: for them in the long term. So I'm really interested
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  Speaker 2: to see what new storylines come out. And we're about
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  Speaker 2: to meet other Dwarven civilizations essentially right in season three,
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  Speaker 2: essentially as what they're setting up for, right, We've kind
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  Speaker 2: of got it. We had a piece here in season
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  Speaker 2: two with some of the other Dwarven lords or kings,
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  Speaker 2: if you will, But we're probably gonna actually get to
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  Speaker 2: meet a lot more of them this time, so that'll
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  Speaker 2: be kind of a cool world to explore.
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  Speaker 1: Further agreed, much looking forward to dwarf politics, he said,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, the promise so that that will be h So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: more more to look out there. I guess a next
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  Speaker 1: logical place to go here is region. Most of the
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  Speaker 1: story is pretty concentrated, right, like, this is where the
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  Speaker 1: biggest like chaos is happening. This is where Sarn is,
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  Speaker 1: This is where a lot of our main characters are. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And let's start with Saarn saur On. When we first
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  Speaker 1: see him, he's with Keli Brimbore, right, and he's got
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  Speaker 1: Calibrimbore pinned up against the wall. He wants to know,
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  Speaker 1: what'd you do with my nine rings? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Yep. The scene with Keler Brimbroer and Sarn is like
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  Speaker 2: such a tragedy for Keller bin bro you know, like
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  Speaker 2: the great Elvin Smith, as Gladdriel keeps calling him. That's
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  Speaker 2: all I kept thinking, just what a tragedy this man's well,
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  Speaker 2: the end of his life became, you know, being being
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  Speaker 2: being manipulated by Saarn to create these extremely powerful things
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  Speaker 2: that will end up destroying Middle Earth and and then
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  Speaker 2: and turned mentally and physically destroying him.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Really sad, but also like incredible, incredible, like acting work
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  Speaker 2: by both of them just unbelievable. There's some really cool
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  Speaker 2: parts there too, right right with him and we get
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's a little bit of a cheesy lion calling
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  Speaker 2: Soro on the Lord of the Rings, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: that's like they've done that a couple of times this season.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, when that happened, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: Joe hates this, just gonna hate that moment the Lord
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  Speaker 2: of the Rings.
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  Speaker 1: I loved that scene, and like, right before he said it,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, don't you do it, don't you do it,
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  Speaker 1: don't don't say it again. And then he did it,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, I hate you. I'm glad you're dying.
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  Speaker 1: Winks a camera. Oh my god, what are we some
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  Speaker 1: kind of Lord of the Rings? You're right, the acting
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  Speaker 1: in that scene is phenomenal. I had to look up
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  Speaker 1: the actor. Thank you for bringing this up. Charlie Vickers
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  Speaker 1: plays the Man with many names, y, saar On and Man.
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  Speaker 1: He is so compelling how he's able to have this
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  Speaker 1: like stoic face and then at the same time like
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  Speaker 1: bring on sadness with that one like single tear right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as sar On, all right, let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So sar On Calibrinborg gets him to cry.
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  Speaker 1: And I wasn't sure if Saarn is crying because because
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  Speaker 1: here there's a part of him that agrees with calibrimboor
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  Speaker 1: who who says you are you are a prisoner of
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  Speaker 1: the rings, you are not their master right, that you're
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  Speaker 1: a slave to power is basically what he's saying. Or
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  Speaker 1: is he crying because in his eyes, calibrin Bore has
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  Speaker 1: done this to himself and and and he's dying, and
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  Speaker 1: with that great knowledge and artistry is also leaving this world.
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  Speaker 2: Almost lean more on like the fact that he did
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  Speaker 2: kind of maybe come to at least appreciate the artistry
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  Speaker 2: and what he can do, what Klibrenbore can do. And
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  Speaker 2: so there's a part of him that's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: sad that he's watching this like great Elven you know,
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  Speaker 2: lord like essentially break down and leave this this world.
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  Speaker 2: Although it's a little weird that he's said about it
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  Speaker 2: since he's only did it, you know. So it's like
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  Speaker 2: Sarn's like so manipulative man it's.
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  Speaker 1: Calibern Moore said that, right, and before he's like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're so great at deceiving you can even deceive yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly what it is. He's just deceived himself
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  Speaker 2: to thinking he actually cares about him for a split moment.
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  Speaker 2: So so creepy, you know. It's such a cool a
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  Speaker 2: cool scene there. And I love Saarn's like and time
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  Speaker 2: someone asked him who he is, like, are you sorro on?
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  Speaker 2: I have many names. He's just like a fucking what
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  Speaker 2: a thing? You know, such a good smirk too, and
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  Speaker 2: he's looking at things the Orcs that ask him when
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  Speaker 2: they walk in after these after Killer Brimbo has been killed.
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  Speaker 1: Man, yeah, absolutely Savage. I don't I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: this will be the last time uh we see calibrin Bore.
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  Speaker 1: I think they they set it up very subtly.
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  Speaker 2: There are a ways of keeping you alive. Must I
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  Speaker 2: show you my mastery of that craft as well.
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  Speaker 1: And then later in the episode, when Saurron stabs Gladriel
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  Speaker 1: with the crown of more Goth, Uh, she's she's being
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  Speaker 1: healed by uh Yoga lad and Elron and he's saying
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  Speaker 1: that you know the darkness is spreading inside of her,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's the threatening to drag her immortal soul
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  Speaker 1: into the shadow realm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's and sert reference here, right.
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  Speaker 1: I am told that Shadow of Mordor is a that
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  Speaker 1: that's a video game that came out like ten twelve
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  Speaker 1: years ago, and I am told that that is canon
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  Speaker 1: and Calibrin bores in that game. I won't say in
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  Speaker 1: what form it's way after all of this, so I
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if if they are respecting that chronology, we
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  Speaker 1: will see him again, but grabs differently.
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  Speaker 2: So look forward to their interesting interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But keeping the story and focused on a region transition
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  Speaker 1: to the Orcs. You brought them up earlier, Nick, and
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  Speaker 1: I think this is a good segue here how the Orcs.
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  Speaker 1: Glug I had to look up his name. Uh, the
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  Speaker 1: the only Orc that we've come to know, which too
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  Speaker 1: bad because he's dead now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he had a wife and a kid. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: meets on and we don't get to see it happen,
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  Speaker 1: but we come to know that he becomes manipulated by
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  Speaker 1: Saarn and the next time we see Gluke, uh, he's
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  Speaker 1: in the forest greeting and ar. But before they meet
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  Speaker 1: and Darn Gladi will get to have a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The well, we see a dar looking very young
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  Speaker 2: and very old school Elvin because he's got the ring
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  Speaker 2: on that he he got from from l Rond, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like de aging him, or not deaging him, like
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  Speaker 2: healing him, I guess, from all of his wounds and
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  Speaker 2: all the things he's gone through for the however many
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  Speaker 2: years it's been.
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  Speaker 1: It returns him too a fairer form.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very very cool scene, especially like after they have
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  Speaker 2: their conversation and he takes off the ring. This transition
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  Speaker 2: slowly back to his normal form was really really a
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  Speaker 2: cool shot, I thought. And then of course I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you want to talk about their conversation at all.
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  Speaker 1: But yes I do.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about all of it, Dick, all right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm listening.
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  Speaker 1: So this turns into an alliance that had been teased
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  Speaker 1: in previous episodes, and the way that that alliance had
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: been offered up before it came off as very I'm
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: going to use you and I when I do, I'm
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: going to get what I want and I'm going to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: get all of this power right, Whereas this time the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: proposed alliance comes off very differently, and it feels as
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: though like the ring actually like hell, he clarify his
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: thoughts on and he's like, I actually don't want power
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't, right, Like there's an there's a great image, right,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a great allegory of like he literally gives up power.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: He takes the ring of Power off and he gives
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it back to Galadriel clearly, like you know, he's interested
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in being a leader, but like in receiving more power,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that's not his mo. He he just wants to take
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: his children back to more door where they can live peacefully,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and like that's all he Actually, he's honest, right, like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it was. We weren't clear if if he was being
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: deceitful about that in the past, or if like the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: whole family thing was just a way of controlling the Orcs,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and maybe it is, but there is a part of
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that that's honest, right, Like he does care about them.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And then well, yeah, Saurn gets to the gets to them,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: and very beautiful symbolism there too on how they kill him,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: because that's exactly how they killed sauron many ages ago.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: If you remember at the beginning of the season when
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: we when when we get a flashback to Saarron before
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: his form that we know now. He was being you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: fake crowned by Aidar and then instead stabbed, and then
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: all the Orcs were repeatedly stabbing Saarn standing over the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: top of him at the beginning. And this is of
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: course the same way that Aidar goes out. So I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: thought that was kind of a brutal and sad way
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: for him to go. But I'm sure it seems like
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: sorrown was like, you might have to kill him the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: same way that he killed me. Basically, this is brutal,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: like the pettiest thing, like such a petnyway, such a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: petty way to go.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: It's like the ultimate clap back. As he was laying
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: there dying, He's like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna get
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: you back so bad. It may take hundreds of years,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but man, roles are gonna be reversed. It's gonna be sweet,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: my friend. Don't get too comfy on my throne.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I just was so petty. I just wrote that so petty,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: so funny.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It's a little bitch. No, that was that was great.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: It was it was sad. Honestly, I felt bad for
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: h R when when he's watching the Orcs to really
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: kill him. And yeah, Galadriel and Saarron end up getting
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: into this pretty epic sword fight. Sron takes on different forms.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: He takes on the form of Calibrin Bore, Uh, Galadriel
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: herself yet l Brand return briefly and eventually towards the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: end of this fight. Uh, Sorrow is mostly successful. I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: think it's fair to say, right, like, he gets nine
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of the rings. He just doesn't get Galadriels.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Right, he gets nine of the rings, which he didn't
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: want Gladriels really, I mean he did, but like the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: main thing for him was to get the rings for
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the the men, because you know, they made the Elven
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: rings for the elves and they made the dwarver rings
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: for the dwarves, and so for him, he needs the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: nine rings for a man to go to the men.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So he needed those the most and he stabs he
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: stabs stabs Gladial with Morgov's crown, which the fight choreography
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: with the crown was fantastic, like such cool fight choreography
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and that scene, that whole scene was a really cool
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And yeah, he successfully gets the rings and glad your
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I thought that this was going to be the moment
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: where Gladril, like I thought she was going to like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: you know, go to the Shadow Realm or whatever, or
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you know, but because I'm not super familiar with how
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: she gets from where she is now to where she
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: is in Lord of the Rings. So anyway, very cool.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: You know what things were saying that because like I forgot,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: there was a one moment in the fight with saar
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: On and Glady that was a neat like call out
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to Fellowship of a Ring where he says like, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: would have made you a queen where you know, all
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: all the inhabitants have been a earve would bask in
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: your light. And that felt like that was like a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: reference to you, Fellowship. When Frodo offers Gladriel the Ring
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and she like turns into like something, She's still beautiful
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: but in a horrible way. In place of a dark lord,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you would have a queen not dark but beautiful and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I'm terrible. It felt very much like that's a callback
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to that, or I guess a call forward in this case. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that was that was neat. That was the first thing
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I thought of as he was saying, and it was like,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, that would be. That would be something we
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: see Galadriel fall off the cliff. I think it's uh
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: around deer who who with his eagle eye vision like
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: spots the jelly bean from like guards. That's what it
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: looks like. It looks like a jelly bean just fallings.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Like he's looking at her and he's like, that's Gladri.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I know elves have great like that's wild.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It's I love are too. He's one of the He's
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: so good and I'm glad that he didn't help me.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: He's so cool, he's so fun the legs of Rings
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of power basically yeah, dubbing him you know.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Who wins in a fight around here or Legolas.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Around here?
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: She is funny, I think I think right now, right now,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's Lego loss. All right, this is why
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: since you didn't ask, okay, so so I think it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the episode before right around here has like the takedown
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of the the troll right the mountain troll takes him down.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I think he had help though with uh gil gilad.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I already know what you're thinking. You're talking about.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: We're talking Return of the King. Yeah, yeah, never mind,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you're right, you're right. I stand corrected. You're absolutely correct.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You did it all by himself.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, God, I have to go watch your Turn
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: of the King now. That seems magnificent.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It is significent. It still only counts as one though, yep,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: still only counts as one. I am waiting for an
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: amazing takedown like that with a Deer, because you're right,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: he is the legalist of the show. And I just
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like at some point or another they're gonna
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: give him something like crazy to take down. They can't
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: do it too early in the show, right, It'll happen later.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And when when that does happen, the nerds of the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: internet will lose their mind and will lose their mind.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And I don't care because I'm here for it. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: want to see your and Deer do more cool ship.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Galadriel is saved by l ron Uh I always forget
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: his dad's name, gilgilad Uh and Aro and Deer and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they escape. All the elves escape to a valley north
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of the city, which that was very fun. It had
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: not occurred to me that riven Dell does not exist
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: yet in this in this time, and this is this
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is the beginning of Rivendell, which has not been named
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: yet or created, but here we are, and we get
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the question on whether or not they will operate as
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the Sword or the Shield, and it ends with google
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Lad proclaiming we're gonna fight. We won't take him down.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: That's that's ultimately where where the show ends. But what
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: did you think of? You know, where where we leave
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the elves here?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Like they got their butts whooped. Yeah, and now they're
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: like in Rivendelle or what will become Rivendell, and they've
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: chosen to fight. But like, and that's great, right the
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: sun came up. Everyone's like, Okay, we made it, We're alive.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: We're gonna fight. But now the real work begins and
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: now you actually have to And so far no one's
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: had an answer for Sarron, and we also know that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: they don't have one. They don't have an answer for
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: him for a very long time. So it's kind of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: tough to I guess, be super confident and then what's
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: ahead for them because it takes a while, right, but
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: it's still interesting. It's still interesting to find out like
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: how we get from where they are now to what
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: happens in Fellowship of the Ring, right, Like there's so
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: much journey in the middle. So I'm excited for that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Very much. So yeah, a lot of journey, a lot
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: of walking, so much walking. Let's transition away from Rivendell,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: away from a region which I guess doesn't exist anymore,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and to the canyon where Gandolf is meeting with the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: stores and the Dark Wizard and the Dark Wizard's bandits.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: This scene is weird to me. It's so weird. So
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the Stranger, sorry I said, Gandalf, oops, spoilers. The stranger
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: arrives in the canyon and he's greeted by the Dark Wizard,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and the Dark Wizard's like, oh, yeah, you're you're here
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: for your homies, right, Like Nori like yeah, I know
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: your homies, like hey, bring the homies out. And the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: bandits got Nori with like a knife on her neck,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and the strangers like yo what and the dark Wizards
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like yo what?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so weird. I thought these nomads might help me
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: find you. I see, Nah, I was foolish, so weird,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: like A.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Like, I can't take the that seriously if like he
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't have like he doesn't seem all that threatenings, Like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is he supposed to be bumbling because like he feels
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a little bumbling right now, unless it was all like
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be a show of power, like and like like
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: he was thinking two steps ahead, like oh yeah, I'm
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: gonna do this. It's gonna be awesome. I'm gonna look
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like a hero. I don't think that's what that is,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: all right. That felt a little sloppy to me, Like
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it felt it felt like rush storytelling.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Right, like, yeah, we need to the the store stuff,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Hobbit stuff was a little it was a little it
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: felt a little rushed and sloppy for sure, But that's
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: just because they were They really just wanted to get
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: us to the to Gandalf, I mean the Grandelf finding
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: his staff or the staff finding him rather and some
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: more bombadill on screen, which is such a treat. That's
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: really the key, right, this little area that we were
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: in here during this episode getting the bombadid uh old
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Tom bomb.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's a merry fellow.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Got the song so cool.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: That was so great. I love that song. Oh that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: was we're jumping ahead here, but like, yeah, the tom
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Bomb medal stuff, it was just so fun. Towards the end,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: well that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Was awesome too, right because like in many ways we
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: knew that, like you know, get Off was the stranger
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: was never going to choose like we we don't you
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: want him to choose his friends, right, Like you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: he's supposed to choose his friends, and of course he's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: realizing it, and then of course the staff finds him,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: which is such a cool little moment there, of course.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: It's it's neat that I think that there are times
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: when to me, like personally that this show doesn't sound
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: very Tulkienian, right, but there are times where clearly they
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: do remember where they do. They have learned from the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: original story and and they are trying their best to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: like keep the heart of that. And I think one
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of the most important themes of Lord of the Rings,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like in general, is that power corrupts absolutely. Power is
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: inherently evil, and the only thing that defeats power is
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: friendship is mercy, right, And it doesn't defeat it by
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: overpowering it, because you can't overpower power. But in the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: long run, mercy and you know, the kindness that we
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: make along the way, like it works in invisible ways
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that undoes power. And yeah, that was it was neat
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to see that being reinforced in the stranger who eventually
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: decides that he will be called Gandalf. People will call
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: him Gandalf.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: They're going to call him, Yeah, they start calling grand Elf,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, well that obviously. I mean, also
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: we see the staff, we kind of get a confirmation
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: that's Gandalff. But then I don't they called him the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: grand Elf, and they use that as a way for
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: him to then pick his own name and call himself Gandalf.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I think so at first. And at first it was like, oh,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: is this gonna be Like his name was Grandolf and
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: like just like misconstrued, and that's.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: What I thought they were gonna do as well. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: was like, I kind of and then he just ended up.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's more like the because they've never seen the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: elf before, and then like they say that as a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: form of appreciation. They think he's one because like elves
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: are like the super beings of the world, right, so
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: he must be one. So I like that, like they
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: misidentify him, right, And in that misidentification, it's almost like
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: either it jogged like his memory or it like it
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: enlightened him a bit to like, you know what his
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: name will eventually be, right, something about the Dark Wizard
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I really want to put out there. Not sold on
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: this character at all. He just feels not threatening to
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: me yet. It's mostly because, like I guess, he just
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: didn't understand like his relationship with the Bandits for some
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: weird reason why she no, I was foolish. But there
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: was a lot of talk about who this character was,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: similar to the Stranger, right, it's like, well, who is
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the Stranger? Is it going to be? It's most likely
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a Gandalf, but we don't know yet. We got confirmation
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: on that, and we sort of got a confirmation on
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: who the Dark Wizard probably is. So we're told Lord
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: of the Rings that there were five wizards who came
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to Middle Earth a gray, a brown, and a white,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and two blues. And in the Hobbit and in Lord
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: of the Rings we meet three of those wizards. We
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: never meet the two Blue Wizards. There's always been a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: lot of mystery about those two guys, and it looks
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like this is one of the two Blue Wizards. From
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: what he's saying, we know that the two Blue Wizards
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: got to Middle Earth before anyone else did, and he
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: pretty much suggested that he got there before at least
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Gandolf right, but uh yeah, not much else there. Overall,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I think this is one of the weaker storylines through
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and through. Not the weakest story ling.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Though, that we can say for our friends of drum
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Roll Police. Joe's favorite place is all of it alone.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's crazy to me how much money
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: is spent to make New Minir look awesome. It looks awesome,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: it looks people.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Suck terrible, Oh the worst people. I'll matter you that
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Narcel is a new Man? Are you mad?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not mad. I actually think that makes sense.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And for some reason, I completely even forgot that that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: sword existed, right and that that was coming right. Yeah,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: so I thought that was cool that that it happened
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: right because it had to happen. But uh, do you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: think that the writers just don't care about Numnor?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes they don't. They don't give a ship. Their
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: whole thing is like, we need to get a lend
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: deal with Narcil out of New Minor. It doesn't matter
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: how it happens. He just needs to He just needs
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: to survive. And and and also we need to make
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: sure that that Kevin is the worst character. We need
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to make sure people hate him more than Saurn, and
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: so we're gonna make that happen. I can't wait for
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: him to die. That came in Guy Jesus, guy sucks.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not great, easily the worst, the most hate
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: able character on the show, which is fantastic consider there
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: are some hateful people on the show.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I had someone, I had someone on threads asking me
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: if he was as bad as Jeoffrey, into which I replied,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you need to go rewatch Lord of the or you
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: need to go rewatch Camp of Thrones, because no way,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: not yet. He's getting there if he doesn't die soon,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I guess just because he's stupid. Face is so punishable.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: No, Jeffrey, there is a special Yeah, there's a special
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: hell for Jeoffrey, just him.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Kevin like hasn't really like that's a thing, Like
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: he's a petty little bitch too.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: But like he.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: He hasn't done anything. Yeah really, which maybe yeah, maybe
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that makes Jeoffrey better in the sense that at least
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Jeoffrey like did stuff, where whereas yeah, Kevin just just sucks.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: He's just disgusting. But uh important. Before we move to
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Kevin and in pelligear back in newmanor Al alf farranz
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Al Faranzan no Al fars On Alpha Son got there.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So Alfharzon Uh with a pallanteer discovers that hal Brand
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is s on right and he says that mir Man,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I am having a hard time with some of these
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: new Minorian names. Uh. And that's not my fault. It's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: because the show doesn't care about it, really doesn't. You
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: don't spend any time with these characters, and they're like, hey,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: important plot thing, Okay, let's get the hell out of
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: new Minor now, like we spend zero time getting to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: know them. It makes me mad anyway. The name I
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was trying to say Mirror Murroel, Muriel, Muriel thank you,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: like Kurg the cowardly dog Muriel thank you. He decides
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that Muriel h is responsible and a purposely in saur On,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: so therefore her her trial with the Sea Serpent does
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: not matter, and all of the faithful need to be arrested. Right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So Al is closing in on his power in numanor
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: really really tightening the grip.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And this is where we get the scene where Ellen
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Deal's daughter comes to him to tell him that he
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: needs to leave, and essentially saves him, which like the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: writing sucks for that, like basically her fault. You know
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that her dad's even in this trouble, you know in
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: some ways, and then she's gonna try to save him
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: in the eleventh power because she feels guilty because it's
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: her father and blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, whatever.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: But I'm excited that he's now not at Newmanor because
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: his storyline probably gets really fun here in the next season.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Ellen deals right, and there there's obviously you have to
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: we have to imagine there's going to be some sort
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of l N deal in Islador reunion reunion, although Islador
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: is now on the way back and he's going to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: get there and his dad's not going to be there.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's where we ultimately closed with Newmanor. Uh.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It's this is as we said already, it's the weakest
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: part of the show. It just it needs so much
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: more time than what it gets. And it's it's crazy
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to me that they spent all of this money making
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Newmanor look amazing, and there they just don't spend the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: writing there, And like, I get it's a big show.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I get it, but clearly you think that there's a
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: lot of stock in telling the story in numanor right,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: but ultimately kind of a big nothing burger, right, Like,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's disappointing you brought up and kemen
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: over in uh the boat town that they're.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: In Pelger gear something whatever it's called gear.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: That sounds right. Thank you Nick for just saving me
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: on all.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I might not be correct either, but just tell us
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: in the comments it sounds righter than yours.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, writer, indeed.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Speaking of words that aren't words.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin. Kevin shows up right before, has his like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: coming together with THEO, and THEO is like, hey, I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: we're cool man and I respect you, and they bro
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: hug it out. Estrid is like, hey, can I like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: come with you please? And He's like, is like yes, absolutely,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: of course, And then that doesn't happen. But we did.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: We did get a great shout out to your m
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: VP of the show, Barrick.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, Barrick, absolute legend, the Savior of Middle Earth.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Probably do you think carried more weight on their back
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Barrick or Sam Wise? Gamgee?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, I think it's a little unfair to Sam
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Wise that we just put him in comparison with Bark's Great,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Barrek's great, but Sam wise brought peace.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: But I can't carry you. Sam is the true hero
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: higher story.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Sam is the true hero of the Lord of the Rings.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Don't you forget people?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you dare Yeah. So ultimately, Kevin just
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: being super petty, uh and loves flaunting the fact that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: my dad is better than your dad. Just just the worst.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And now I really regret ending this review of the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: episode umpelling Gear because uh wow, this is just more
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: me not caring.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, who get like stupid little numineer outposts
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that means less than numinere numenor whatever. Yeah, just that
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: story's going to pick up a lot more next season, hopefully,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of shit going down now.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: So right, well, we know Sourn's gonna he's targeting them.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, he's going to bring them the rings, right,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: so that's going to be interesting. Man, speaking of rings,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: didn't get the one ring, which we didn't think we
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: were going to get it this season anyway. Yeah, so
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's next season, right.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Considering how fast we went through all of the rings
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: this season. Yeah, I think so.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: So, And I don't know if they've said how how
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: many seasons they're planning on doing? Do we know that?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I have not seen that information. I'm not sure if
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: it's been released.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I could see four, but I feel like four is
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: probably the macks I would imagine.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: So power let's see, it's a five season plan really
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: mm hmmm, it's.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Gonna turn into a Hobbit situation. Ah gosh, I hope
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: not five seas a little long for how far we
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: just got here with season two. We'll see, though, I
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: mean there's still a lot.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: That has to happen, right, Like, I mean, I feel
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: like we're still so far from uh saar on becoming
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: like what we see in the beginning of Fellowship.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we gotta fortunately, we gotta watch well maybe
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: fortunately we have to watch new minor get obliterated I'm
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: looking for.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of excited for that. Yeah, I just
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I want to watch all of those people, just like
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: like Kevin and al Fizar or whatever his name is,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Like they just just die, just exit stage left, police
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: switch right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly just can't wait for the water to
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: just take that plot line away. Yep, it's gonna be awesome.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I agreed. So, yeah, that's that's basically the finale. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: think I agree with you, Nick, I think ultimately this
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: was one of its stronger episodes. But I think where
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: where like I fall like negatively on this is kind
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: of what we've already pointed out. It's just I think
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: this show's greatest strength is somehow also its greatest weakness.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Middle Earth is a really interesting world, and there's a
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: lot going on in it, right, And unfortunately I think
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: of the a lotanus that's that's happening, it really bogs
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: down the story in some places. And New Minor is
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: one of those casualties. Right. I used to care about Nori,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Like in the first season. I actually kind of liked
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Norri's story, Norri's story, and and this season, I don't know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I was just like, get back to Sarrow. This didn't care?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was. I mean, you just can't
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: fit at all. Right, And obviously this season was about
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: a reggaeon and Sauron and Keller Brinbor and that set
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: up and the Rings of course being being crafted. So
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: that's a precedent, and so that was some of my
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: favorite parts of season two, right, is the is the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Keller Brinbar storyline and the acting there was fantastic, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that along with the Dwarfs and Kazakh Doom was like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: those are probably my highlights for me, but definitely Newmanor
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and some of like Norri's storyline, just following a little
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: short on like the nitty grittiness of it, I guess
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit lackadaisical maybe, but it was cool that
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: we got Bombadil. And I mean, I don't know if
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna see Bombadil again. Do we see
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Bombadil again? Do we think maybe? I don't know.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's gonna at least stick around for another
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: another season or two, considering it's a five season plan.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think we're definitely gonna get Tom
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Bombadil again for two reasons, the first being it feels
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like he Gandalf still has more to learn from Bombadil.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And second, I don't know if you remember this, when
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: we first meet Bombadil, when Gandalf is still the Stranger
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: and he and he wakes up in Bombadil's hut, he
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: hears another voice and the stranger asks who are you
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: talking to? And Bombadil says, what do you mean, I
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't talking to anyone, and that hasn't been revealed yet,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So I think there's still more to come with Bombadil,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: very very excited about that, especially the character that they
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: are referring to there. There was actually there's a little
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: easter egg of that character when they're singing the song.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: The last line of the song felt like that was
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: supposed to be a shout out towards the character. But yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I think I think we will get more bomba deal
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: so hopefully more singing. Love it nice. Nick, you talked
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: about your your highlights. What would you say is was
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: your ultimate low light of the season.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Probably just the new Manor storyline. It's just not doing
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: it like all these other storylines are in the stores
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: and like Nori and Poppy like that was okay, what
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: kind of made up for it? There was like anytime
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: we went there, you knew that the next thing we're
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: gonna get was the Stranger and organd offer Bamba Dill, right,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So that kind of was like made up for dealing
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: with some of the not boring this but just kind
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: of the meh part of that, I guess, right, But
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Numanor was just kind of and I don't even know
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: if I think it was just annoying, right, Like I
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: hate that Al far as On character, that the Kevin
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: character I hate too. It's just like and it's not
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: like it's just their characters are so one sided in
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: how they're operating that it's just like it's just annoying
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that that's how they chose to go about it, you know.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Right, because they don't feel like real cares.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't feel like they have real conflict
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: in any of the decisions they're making, which is just like, Okay,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: it's kind of dumb.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't help that they're so far removed from like
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the actual plot right.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Of the show, right, so they're like the only ones
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: not affected by everything else going on yet right right,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: they're still in their own little world dealing with their
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: own little minute political bs. You know that is about
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: to be like, oh, this is what were we complaining about.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: We've got bigger problems now, very very quickly. So anyway,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: what about you?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I mean to piggyback off of what you were saying
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: earlier about Jeffrey. Jeoffrey is a horrible monster of a character,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: but he was compelling to have on screen because he
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: was a character, right, He wasn't like a trope that
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: there was something interesting about the way Jeoffrey worked and
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: that we only got to understand that because we spent
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: time with Jeoffrey. Right, And yeah, these the new pretty
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: much all the Numinorian characters, Like they're all tropes. It's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: like the hero, the hero's dad. Uh, the alf frozen
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: is uh the bad guy and he's just bad. Yeah,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: what the hell happened to the eagle? Like did the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: eagle just show up and then dip? Like dude, Like
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: what happened the eagle showed up? Everyone's like, ah, divine
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: providence and the eagles like, oh, you guys totally misinterpreted that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: But by I just needed the poop somewhere, Like where'd
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: it go? Doesn't matter? It doesn't matter where the eagle
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: went because nothing matters in Numnor. I mean it does,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't, right, Like it's just frustrating. It feels
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: like it could be cool, right, like this is is
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: so there's home and we know the role he's gonna
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: play and how important it is. I want, I mean,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: so there's probably the only character Adam numan Or that
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in, and it's because he got the hell
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: out right, man, I get annoyed, as Nick pointed out,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: whether they go for like some really cheesy lines every
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: once in a while. He is no man like you
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: could be the Lord of the Rings like Jeez landed
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: on thick guys. I think there are decisions like that
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: that really hold the show back from being really great.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: There there are a couple of just like storytelling decisions
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that I wish that they had done differently. I know
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: that the panoramic reveal of a red gown when it's
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: according to Calibrimbore, everything's peaceful right in his perspective, but
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it's because of this this trance that he's under, and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you know, get that great panoramic of sorrow on right
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: where he's walking outside, and it goes from being the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: peaceful trance to chaos, right, and that is cool. It
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: looked really cool. I wish that that had happened differently, though,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: because the very next episode there there's a neat, you know,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: detail that calibrin Boor catches and it's the candles aren't
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: aren't changing right like he marks them and they're not changing.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And then he notices the mouse, right, and like, how
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: something something's wrong? Right. I wish we I wish we
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: also as the the audience, thought that everything in a
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: region was fine, and then for all of us, together
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: with calibrin Bore, discover oh my god, right, like and like,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I think that would have been such a more effective
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: way of telling that story and for us to a
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: feel even worse for Calibrimbore, right because we're discovering that
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: information with him, and for us as an audience to
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: be even more scared of saur On right because he
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: pulled one on us too. And right.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: That's a cool idea that seems like it would have
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: been extremely difficult to pull off, though too right in
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: some ways maybe I'm not sure.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I think if you just like, we're not reverse the scenes,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: but like if you just had that scene where Saarron
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: walks around, uh, if you just had that later right, like,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: or have calibrimboor do that right where he's like waking
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: from the trans I don't know. It was a really
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: effective shot. I love it. I just wish that the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: story had been tweaked just a little bit, because it
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: feels like there's a lot of plot movement on the show,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: but not a ton of character work, and that would
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: have been a really awesome character moment.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice, it's gonna do.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Ultimately. I think it's a good show. There's a lot
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of passion in this show. That's awesome. It's a beautiful show.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, some of the writing just kind of falls
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: flat for me. Not all of it, God, damn it,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: not all of it. The Dwarfs rule, love the Dwarves,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see what's going on with with
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Galadriel in company.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: But awesome.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll get there next season.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Ye, looking forward to it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess that'll do it for our review here.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: But before we go, Nick, I actually don't know if
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: we talked about this yet. What are we covering next time?
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Rather put it on your list added to your list
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: episode or we might it might be time for another
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: time travel draft.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a minute.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: It's been a minute. I don't know. We have to
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: pick a category though for that.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: So that's true, that's true. We finished time travel comedy.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: It'd be kind of cool to do secret time travel.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Movie next Yeah, that would maybe maybe we'll do that. So, yeah,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: we'll have to we'll discuss it. Well, maybe we'll do
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: a tim travel next next week. Maybe we'll see, we'll
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: see how this site shapes up, but.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: We'll see how much time we actually have for that.
• 55:17
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• 55:20
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• 55:25
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• 55:28
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• 55:32
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