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Changing Our Healing Paradigm with Kayse Gehret · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gaming Person.
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Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you
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Speaker 1: Five four, three, two and one. Our folks, welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the podcast. Very excited to have his megas today. Casey
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Speaker 1: Gerrett Casey Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Hi everybody.
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Speaker 1: Nice to be here, awesome. Casey brings nearly three decades
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Speaker 1: of experience in the healing arts, having founded the wellness
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Speaker 1: center Solstice Mind and Body SPA before shifting toward global
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Speaker 1: mentorship and transformational wellness. As a Reiching Master CERTIFIY, yoga
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Speaker 1: instructor and author of the book Bodywork, Careers and Massage Therapy,
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Speaker 1: she's helped countless clients, from corporate leaders to professional athletes,
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Speaker 1: heal and reconnect to their bodies and inner wisdom. Through
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Speaker 1: her platform and community, she guides healing artists, coaches, and
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Speaker 1: therapists to build conscious, sustainable practices rooted in somatic, spiritual insight,
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Speaker 1: and intention. All right, Casey, obviously, just a little bit
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Speaker 1: about you before we get going share with the listeners.
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Speaker 1: Where you're from originally and where you are currently?
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Speaker 2: Ah, I love it. I grew up outside of Philadelphia
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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, United States, Philly, still an.
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Speaker 1: Ales fanles exactly all right? And where are you now?
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Speaker 2: I am in Vero Beach, Florida.
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Speaker 1: Cool? All right, So very interesting, bio. How did all
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Speaker 1: this start for you?
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Speaker 2: Great question? So as a child, I wanted to be
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Speaker 2: a doctor. I've always been interested in drawn to health
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Speaker 2: and healing, and loved animals. As a kid, loved all
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Speaker 2: things psychology and human behavior. I lost my father quite young,
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Speaker 2: at age seven, and that got me very curious about psychology,
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Speaker 2: mental health, death, spirituality at a young age. And when
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Speaker 2: I was studying pre med in college, I one day
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Speaker 2: heard a voice had said it's time to go west
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Speaker 2: for you. And I was at school in Tennsylvania at
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Speaker 2: the time, studying pre med, and I completely picked up
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Speaker 2: life and moved across the country and there I discovered
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Speaker 2: quote unquote alternative healing. I went to Big sur and Esslin,
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Speaker 2: I studied at Santa Cruz and I went into bodywork
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Speaker 2: and riki at the age of nineteen, and then things
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Speaker 2: have just unfolded from there. Today my practice is presented
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Speaker 2: around microdocing practice. I work with Earth medicines today have
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Speaker 2: a global community, and now in hindsight, I can really
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Speaker 2: see I was taken outside of the mainstream medical path
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Speaker 2: because the path that I did wind up on, which
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Speaker 2: was alternative healing, energy work and somatics, perfectly prepared me
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Speaker 2: for the work that I'm doing today.
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Speaker 1: So you were studying pre med in college or community
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Speaker 1: college or whatever. So post high school premad you want
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Speaker 1: to be a doctor something? Well? What what? But what
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Speaker 1: specifically did you hear a voice? Did you just feel
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Speaker 1: something you just felt called?
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Speaker 2: I heard it. I literally heard a voice, which now
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Speaker 2: I hear I yes, is quite normal to me now,
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Speaker 2: but at the time I think it needed to be
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Speaker 2: so pronounced because it was it was very critical for
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Speaker 2: me in my life path that I was not going
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Speaker 2: to find what I needed to find in Pennsylvania at
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Speaker 2: the time, and it really I needed to move to
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Speaker 2: the West coast and live there for many many years,
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Speaker 2: and and so did to to be on my line path.
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Speaker 1: But the message wasn't go west to study pre med.
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Speaker 1: It was go west to.
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Speaker 2: What I wasn't sure you wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: But it was go west, yes, But but but you didn't.
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Speaker 1: You didn't study pre Med. When you got there, something
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Speaker 1: else was going.
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Speaker 2: On to it to it. I just went west, as
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Speaker 2: I said, and I visited multiple schools to decide where
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Speaker 2: I felt at home, and kind of went to many.
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Speaker 2: And then when I got to Santa Cruz, I was like,
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Speaker 2: this feels right. And then it was just as life does.
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Speaker 2: You meet people, people introduce you to other people introduce
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Speaker 2: you to practices I've never heard of that I would
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Speaker 2: have never discovered in Pennsylvania, and one thing led to another,
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Speaker 2: and that was over time. I just stepped into energy work,
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Speaker 2: I stepped into body work, and I was kind of
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Speaker 2: carried down that path.
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Speaker 1: What's really interesting to me, Casey, is that you listened
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Speaker 1: to that at that age. I admire that because I,
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Speaker 1: for example, study pre MED and got my ass kicked.
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Speaker 1: I didn't listen to myself. But I admire your ability
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Speaker 1: and openness to listen to yourself. Where did that come from?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: Now, I've done so much work with intuitive development and
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Speaker 2: also doing my own healing has given me a pronounced
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Speaker 2: connection to my own guide. And now in hindsight, I
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Speaker 2: see that was her. She's been with me my whole life,
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Speaker 2: and she's just very bossy, she's very she's very direct,
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Speaker 2: and so I think it's less. I mean, I accept
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Speaker 2: the credit for listening, so be believing in myself. I'm
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Speaker 2: listening to my intuition. But it's equal parts. I very
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Speaker 2: I've always been very strongly directed by her.
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Speaker 1: And okay, so you said healing healing from what.
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Speaker 2: Healing? Oh? I mean, I think all of us who
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Speaker 2: are in the healing ers particularly are always on our
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Speaker 2: own healing journey of sorts. So for me, after I
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Speaker 2: lost my father, I physically developed headaches. That was my
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Speaker 2: main thing. Was a young child, I was getting headaches frequently,
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Speaker 2: and then as a teenager, I developed Grandma's seizures. And
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Speaker 2: I always, even as a child, I felt like there
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Speaker 2: was nothing wrong with me biologically, but doctors just didn't
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Speaker 2: know what to do with me, so they treated it
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Speaker 2: as epilepsy. I was medicated for it for many years,
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't until studying and working with so many
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Speaker 2: different modalities, and then when I discovered microdoscene and mushrooms,
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Speaker 2: my seizures stopped completely and I have never had one since.
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Speaker 2: Now too, looking back and all the thousands of people
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Speaker 2: I've now supported, it makes complete sense that this happened.
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Speaker 2: But it's just I think all of us are on
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Speaker 2: a healing journey. Anyone alive kind of on the planet
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Speaker 2: today is on a healing journey of sorts.
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Speaker 1: Right. Some are more intentional about it, some are more
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Speaker 1: aware about it. Some are willing to admit it. Right,
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Speaker 1: not all of us are. A lot of us are like,
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Speaker 1: I'm fine. I don't know what you're doing. I'm fine,
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Speaker 1: but I agree with you. So you go west, you
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Speaker 1: start to, as you said, check out schools or the
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Speaker 1: modalities interests. What do you start doing specifically?
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Speaker 2: I started studying literature and psychology. I always thought I
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Speaker 2: would be like a neurologist or a psychiatrist, something in
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Speaker 2: the realm of the mind, as it was tied to
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Speaker 2: to medicine, and so I was studying psychology. I also
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Speaker 2: loved to write, and so studying English and literature was
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Speaker 2: always very comfortable for me. But in school in the
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Speaker 2: University of California system, it truly was an exposure to
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Speaker 2: so many different facets of things outside of I had
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Speaker 2: just been studying biology and chemistry, and I was like,
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I can study nature. I can study scuba.
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Speaker 2: I can study all of these different things in Santa Cruz.
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Speaker 2: And that's how I met someone who did reiki, I
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Speaker 2: met someone who did polarity work. I went to Big
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Speaker 2: sur and discovered Esslin. Ended up spending a lot of
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Speaker 2: time throughout my twenties studying at Esslin Institute. And so
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Speaker 2: it was just such a beautiful foundation outside of traditional medicine.
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Speaker 1: And what made sense to you about it?
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Speaker 2: I don't know that it ever made so, I don't
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Speaker 2: know that it makes sense today.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me let me rephrase the question. Some you
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Speaker 1: were pulled towards it, talk about that. Hmmm.
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Speaker 2: I think so many people I work with today is
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Speaker 2: they have glimpses of direction, intuition, fate, and destiny. And
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Speaker 2: part of the practice of this lifetime is staying true
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Speaker 2: to that, staying aligned to that. And I think throughout
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Speaker 2: life we have little sign posts and guide posts and
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Speaker 2: feelings to know when we're on track. But is very
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Speaker 2: very easy in this modern world to get off our path.
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Speaker 2: Our parents have heavy, you know, the conditioning of society
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Speaker 2: and the way we need to be in the boxes
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Speaker 2: we need to fit in. It can be very difficult
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Speaker 2: for us to tap into that inner voice, let alone
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Speaker 2: listen to it. Right, it happens, and so to me
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Speaker 2: it almost feels inevitable. And if you let yourself listen
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Speaker 2: to that voice and it leads you to a place
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Speaker 2: that feels so powerfully aligned, you're more likely to keep
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Speaker 2: listening to it and trusting it and trusting yourself.
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Speaker 1: So you had the I guess years of experience and learning.
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Speaker 1: When did you start? How did you say to yourself,
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Speaker 1: all right, I want to start creating something to help people.
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Speaker 1: What did that look like for you? So?
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Speaker 2: I started doing reiki and Boddy work at nineteen twenty
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Speaker 2: years old, and it was funny. I thought I would
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Speaker 2: be like a hobby first, and quickly I started doing
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Speaker 2: it and it was profound right from the start. I
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Speaker 2: mean I remember my first handful of clients being totally
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Speaker 2: not what I thought it was going to be. I
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Speaker 2: thought it was going to be working with the body,
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Speaker 2: you know, I was going to work with athletes and
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Speaker 2: the physical body and conditions, and oh, right away it
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Speaker 2: was no. You were working with trauma, you were working
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Speaker 2: with grief, you were working with loss. And that has
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Speaker 2: been a consistent thread and theme throughout all the modalities
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Speaker 2: I have worked with over time. I did energy work
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Speaker 2: and bodywork for many years in a solo practice in
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Speaker 2: the San Francisco Bay area, and then I wanted to
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Speaker 2: expand my practice beyond myself, and so it started opening studios.
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Speaker 2: And we were in Marin County and Wine Country in
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Speaker 2: northern California and had just opened our fourth studio doing bodywork, meditation,
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Speaker 2: sound healing. We had an exceptionally gifted and diverse staff,
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Speaker 2: and then COVID and the shutdown and in California we
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Speaker 2: were close for a very very long time. We did
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Speaker 2: touch therapy and group classes, so we were the first
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Speaker 2: to close in the last lass to reopen, and during
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Speaker 2: that time I had to do something to sustain our
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Speaker 2: studios and pay our overhead and our rent during the closure,
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Speaker 2: and so just again I thought it was going to
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Speaker 2: be a hobby and a short term thing. I decided
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Speaker 2: to put a couple groups together to support people with
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Speaker 2: microdoscene practice, just to give people connection and introduce people
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Speaker 2: to this practice that was new for a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: This was back in twenty twenty, and I just thought
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Speaker 2: it would be something I would do until our studios
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Speaker 2: could reopen and get rolling again. And unfortunately, that never happened.
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Speaker 2: We ended up being closed for about a year, and
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Speaker 2: it was financially devastating to us. You know, eight weeks
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Speaker 2: of payroll didn't kind of from the federal government, and
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Speaker 2: so we ended up closing. But it was through that
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Speaker 2: experience from the start these two pilot programs I did.
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Speaker 2: It was amazing. The people in them had profound results.
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Speaker 2: It was a really beautiful experience. It was beautiful to
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Speaker 2: do it together in community. And so since that time
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Speaker 2: we have just been growing that into a global community
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Speaker 2: group programs. We have a podcast all dedicated to that practice,
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Speaker 2: and now a professional program that teaches other people how
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Speaker 2: to support people in earth medicine practice.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get a little more specific here, defy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked somewhat on this podcast about microdosing,
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Speaker 1: but for those who need refresh, what is microdosing?
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Speaker 2: Great question because a few years ago, no one had
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Speaker 2: ever heard of it, and now it's being used in
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Speaker 2: all kinds of contexts. I have people going, are you
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Speaker 2: talking about a zempec? And I'm like, no, no, so
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Speaker 2: microdosing and in my framing in world is working with
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Speaker 2: psychedelics and earth medicines typically I work primarily with psilocybin mushrooms,
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Speaker 2: but there are a lot of different medicines, natural medicines,
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Speaker 2: earth medicines, plant medicines you can work with. In microdose
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Speaker 2: micro dosne is taking a small, sub threshold dose of
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Speaker 2: the substance, so you're not feeling altered or tripping in
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Speaker 2: any way. You are still on this earth realm. It's
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Speaker 2: more like a supplement, if you will, like a spiritual
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Speaker 2: supplement that you're working with, and it's always a out
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Speaker 2: of dose where you are feeling gifts and benefits, but
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Speaker 2: you're not feeling altered effects.
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Speaker 1: Would it be fair to say you're kind of tipsy
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Speaker 1: or is there a buzz or not at all?
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Speaker 2: Not at all. It's great misconceptions to people, especially when
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Speaker 2: they're working with mushrooms for the first time, because people
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Speaker 2: have this this stigma around mushroom. You're tripping mushrooms and
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Speaker 2: people are like, Oh, I did mushrooms in college and
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Speaker 2: I just laughed a lot. It was giggling. And so
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Speaker 2: I work with a lot of people who have a
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Speaker 2: lot of responsibility, they have big careers, they have a family.
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Speaker 2: They're like, I can't be altered or weird at all.
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Speaker 2: Like ever, and it's interesting. I think people think it's
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Speaker 2: going to be like an alcohol type experience or a
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Speaker 2: cannabis experience, when it's not mushrooms. When you're working at
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Speaker 2: a microdocene level, you are actually clearer and more yourself
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Speaker 2: than not. So you're more articulate, you're more clear, you're
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Speaker 2: more focused, you are have better reflexes, you have better timing.
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Speaker 2: Just people that It's funny. My clients that are the
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Speaker 2: most concerned about it are usually the ones that come
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Speaker 2: back later and go, why is everybody not doing this?
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Speaker 2: I'm like better, I'm better at everything. Now, why is
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Speaker 2: everybody not doing this? And eventually they will be. I
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Speaker 2: think ultimately this will be a preventative practice and something
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Speaker 2: it's a health practice will incorporate very naturally into our lives.
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Speaker 2: And it's not intended to be something you don't do
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Speaker 2: long term.
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Speaker 1: So what's it for?
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Speaker 2: Oh, what's it for? So many things? So many things.
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Speaker 2: So when I first started, the great majority of people
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Speaker 2: were coming for physical things, physical conditions, so nervous system conditions,
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Speaker 2: any kind of nervous conditions, whether it's seizures, concussions, TBIs,
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Speaker 2: Parkinson's headaches, cluster headaches, migraines, anything nervous system related. It's
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Speaker 2: seeing for mental health conditions, so depression, anxiety. Over the
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Speaker 2: last five years, that has been a big reason people
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Speaker 2: are coming, but also lifestyle things like a lot of
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Speaker 2: people want to work on their relationships, their interpersonal relationship
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Speaker 2: with self, relationship with other family dynamics, also spiritual connection.
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing more and more on intake forms as people
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Speaker 2: increasingly move away from the religious models and the church
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Speaker 2: models of the past. People are feeling really drawn to
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Speaker 2: explore a spirituality that's different than the way that we
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Speaker 2: have been holding it up until now.
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Speaker 1: So for part of my ignorance here, but it makes
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Speaker 1: sense to me that one might be able to gain
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Speaker 1: a certain amount of clarity if they enter into a
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Speaker 1: maybe a more fully altered state. That would make sense
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Speaker 1: to me. But here you're talking about a sub threshold
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Speaker 1: something that makes someone clear. How does that minimally altered
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Speaker 1: state impact these areas and topics you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: They're trying hard to figure that out. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 2: we've been studying psilocybin since the fifties and sixties, and
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Speaker 2: we know some but I feel like science has only
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Speaker 2: really scratch the surface of things we're going to discover
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Speaker 2: about it. And I always remind people like we come
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Speaker 2: from mushrooms. The fungi world has been around, that's been
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Speaker 2: through five extinction events, It's been around a long time.
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Speaker 2: So the collective wisdom inherent in that species is profound,
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Speaker 2: and so we only I think our human mind is
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Speaker 2: starting to understand how it works. We because we focus
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Speaker 2: so much on the mind in our modern culture and
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Speaker 2: our mental therapies and the focus on the brain. A
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Speaker 2: lot of the research is done around how psilocybin and
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Speaker 2: solocine impacts with our receptors in the brain. But I
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Speaker 2: think that's only the kind of the tip of the
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Speaker 2: iceberg that we're going to discover.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do specifically, how do you work
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Speaker 1: with individuals so.
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Speaker 2: People microdose on their own time? It is Unfortunately today
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Speaker 2: it's still illegal in most countries in the world, most
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Speaker 2: parts of the US. State by state, city by city.
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Speaker 2: They're starting to decriminalize it and bring in legalization models.
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Speaker 2: So we're learning a lot. It's changing really fast all
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Speaker 2: the time, and right now it's kind of like a
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Speaker 2: living lab where we're like, Okay, Oregon decriminalize, how does
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Speaker 2: it go for them and the way they did it,
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Speaker 2: and then each subsequent state can kind of learn from
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Speaker 2: the one who went before and make adjustments along the way.
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Speaker 2: So it's happening very organically and naturally, which is beautiful.
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Speaker 2: So people now, depending on where they are, sometimes they
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Speaker 2: choose to cultivate their own. People can purchase kits to
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Speaker 2: grow your own. It's actually quite easy and accessible to
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Speaker 2: grow on your own if people are willing to take
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Speaker 2: that upon themselves. But now there are thankfully more people
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Speaker 2: out there providing sourcing to people all over the country
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Speaker 2: and other countries who have religious protections in place and
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Speaker 2: legal protections in place. So depending on where you live,
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Speaker 2: you are taking on some risk, but there are a
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Speaker 2: lot more protections today than there were even five years ago.
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Speaker 1: So Okay, someone gets in touch with you and says
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Speaker 1: what I want to how do they work with you?
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Speaker 1: What do they say to you?
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Speaker 2: So we have lots of different tiers to welcome people
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Speaker 2: to practice. We created about a year and a half
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Speaker 2: ago we started our global community was we had so
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Speaker 2: many people coming who didn't want to wait for the
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Speaker 2: next group program or just intent work for their schedule.
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Speaker 2: So we created a global community that people can come
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Speaker 2: and step into anytime. It's very accessible and low cost,
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Speaker 2: and you can come in and come to live calls
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Speaker 2: and get vetted information, meet microdoc and guides from around
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Speaker 2: the world, and most importantly, talk to other people and
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Speaker 2: witness other people in this practice. We have people in
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Speaker 2: our community who've been practicing now five years are are
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Speaker 2: pretty advanced in their practice, and so it's much more
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Speaker 2: valuable than say like being on your own trying to
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Speaker 2: explore on Reddit and YouTube righte talk to real people.
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Speaker 1: So I'm interested in microdosing. Let's say what I have anxiety. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I come to you, meet people, get excited. I have
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Speaker 1: my own experience, and then do I come back to
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Speaker 1: you and is there an integration kind of thing going on?
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Speaker 1: How do you work with them?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I've done now thirty two six week programs,
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Speaker 2: so I love them. It's what I started with five
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Speaker 2: years ago, and so I offer those seasonally and I
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Speaker 2: love a six week structure. We have a small group,
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Speaker 2: it's usually eight to twelve people at a time, move
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Speaker 2: through the experience together and we meet once a week.
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Speaker 2: Then if I'm working one to one with someone, I
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Speaker 2: typically work with them longer. Usually like three months at
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Speaker 2: a time. I'll work with people individually, and then our
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Speaker 2: community is just month to months, so people can stay
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Speaker 2: in as long as they want. Sometimes they come and
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Speaker 2: they come to the calls maybe the first three or
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Speaker 2: four months. It's great. They have enough information and experience
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Speaker 2: to go on their own. Other people have. They still
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Speaker 2: come to the calls four years later because they enjoy
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Speaker 2: the practice and the connection with other people. So we
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Speaker 2: kind of created a wide array of touch points depending
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Speaker 2: on how much community and connection and support people need.
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Speaker 1: When people are working on or entering into let's say
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Speaker 1: this six week program. Are they microdosing once a week
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Speaker 1: every day? What? How does it work?
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Speaker 2: So each person has a bit of a different protocol.
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Speaker 2: When we first started off, we did we call it
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Speaker 2: like a five to two four to three protocol, where
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Speaker 2: people would dose four days on three days off or
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Speaker 2: five days on two days off. That's how I worked
22:44
Speaker 2: when I was first starting, So my first few groups,
22:47
Speaker 2: I just based it on my personal experience what had
22:49
Speaker 2: worked so well for me. But over time we've expanded
22:53
Speaker 2: depending on what people are working on, kind of how
22:56
Speaker 2: which medicine they're working with, So different protocols might be
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Speaker 2: four three five two, but some people love to do
23:02
Speaker 2: every other day dosing and then the other protocol created
23:08
Speaker 2: by James Fadoman, who's considered kind of the godfather of microdosing.
23:12
Speaker 2: He is one of the original researchers from back in
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Speaker 2: the sixties. He recommends a one day on, two day
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Speaker 2: off cycle.
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Speaker 1: Now, when they come to you, when they're in your programs,
23:25
Speaker 1: are you offering a quote unquote therapy, are you bouncing?
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Speaker 1: How are they explaining? Sharing what's going on with them?
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Speaker 1: Is that part of the group.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, each guy is a little bit different based on
23:38
Speaker 2: our unique background. So of all the micro dosing guys
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Speaker 2: I work with, we do have a lot of psychotherapists
23:44
Speaker 2: and trained therapist backgrounds, and so they kind of bring
23:48
Speaker 2: that lens to it. But we also have a whole
23:50
Speaker 2: lot of other healers and wellness professionals who bring there.
23:54
Speaker 2: So some are combining it with breathwork. We have an
23:57
Speaker 2: astrologer who combines microdosing with astrology support. We have all
24:03
Speaker 2: kinds of different somatic practitioners. So it's really beautiful in
24:07
Speaker 2: that it can be held in really a therapeutic container
24:11
Speaker 2: of all kinds, and I find that's when micro dosing
24:15
Speaker 2: is most effective. You can microdose just on your own,
24:19
Speaker 2: but it really because it's an amplification effect. It just
24:22
Speaker 2: gives you more of what you already are. So if
24:25
Speaker 2: you're if you're holding in a space when you have
24:28
Speaker 2: a meditation practice, a bodywork practice is somatic practice of
24:32
Speaker 2: coaching practice. It's only going to bring benefit and enhancement
24:36
Speaker 2: to what the what else you're doing.
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Speaker 1: I'm just remind everyone I'm speaking with Casey Carrott. What
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Speaker 1: is it about this, Casey, that you feel is so important, vital, necessary,
24:57
Speaker 1: such that you're giving your soul to this. Why is
24:59
Speaker 1: this so important?
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Speaker 2: I think it completely changes our healing paradigm completely, you know.
25:07
Speaker 2: I think we've lived in such a time where so
25:12
Speaker 2: much of our healing modalities have been about numbing, and
25:17
Speaker 2: our pharmaceutical culture of numbing discomfort, numbing emotion. Also, I
25:25
Speaker 2: think we've been so focused on the mind and healing
25:28
Speaker 2: through the mind, and healing through talk and sharing our story,
25:33
Speaker 2: you know, and those models. And I think we're realizing
25:37
Speaker 2: and Earth medicine helps us come back into the body,
25:41
Speaker 2: I come back into the soul and the spirit and
25:44
Speaker 2: the roots of healing. Otherwise we're just treating symptoms and
25:49
Speaker 2: further imprinting our stories and our identity narratives. So it
25:54
Speaker 2: completely reverses kind of what we've been conditioned to believe
26:00
Speaker 2: in a pretty significant way. And part of the friction
26:03
Speaker 2: right now in this work is as more and more people,
26:07
Speaker 2: as more and more clinicians, more of the mainstream, more
26:10
Speaker 2: of the research, more of the science is coming online.
26:13
Speaker 2: It's the friction of how do we embrace and incorporate
26:19
Speaker 2: this type of work, medicine work into the existing structures
26:24
Speaker 2: when they don't really jive very well at all. Yeah,
26:28
Speaker 2: this is very much not a pharmaceutical experience.
26:32
Speaker 1: They don't jive because what is it like? Talk therapy
26:38
Speaker 1: on one hand, is a square peg trying to fit
26:42
Speaker 1: it into a round hole. Don't mesh? How don't they jive?
26:47
Speaker 2: I think as we've taken so much of the soul
26:50
Speaker 2: and so much of the humanity out of healing. You know,
26:53
Speaker 2: our healing models are considered You go to the doctor,
26:55
Speaker 2: you see your doctor for seven minutes, and you get.
26:57
Speaker 1: A prescription for your symptom, for your.
27:00
Speaker 2: Symptom, right, and so there's no real connection, there's no
27:05
Speaker 2: real development, there's no real holding through that experience, and
27:09
Speaker 2: so much of healing is really getting underneath the symptom,
27:14
Speaker 2: and we just never get there. It's not ever attended
27:17
Speaker 2: to in the majority of our healing models. And so
27:20
Speaker 2: that's where earth medicine starts. And that's what I find.
27:24
Speaker 2: It's so amazing watching how this medicine works because it's
27:29
Speaker 2: another factor. It's so there's no standard, there's no consistency,
27:35
Speaker 2: and so people think, well, what's the protocol and what's
27:37
Speaker 2: the dose, and how can we scale this? It resists,
27:41
Speaker 2: it resists scaling. So that's a beautiful thing where it's
27:47
Speaker 2: incongruent with the models, and in a strange way, it
27:50
Speaker 2: kind of protects it from being incorporated into that model.
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Speaker 1: What's the other side of this, what are the potential
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Speaker 1: question marks dangers? Yeah, that people that we people need
28:07
Speaker 1: to look at be aware of because there is no
28:10
Speaker 1: quote unquote standardization of it. Right.
28:14
Speaker 2: I think that's a beautiful question. I think acknowledging these
28:17
Speaker 2: medicines are really powerful, They're really potent. They're really powerful
28:21
Speaker 2: in the most beautiful of ways, but held recklessly or irresponsibly,
28:26
Speaker 2: they can be just as powerful in the other direction.
28:29
Speaker 2: And I don't think I have no fear around mushrooms.
28:33
Speaker 2: For example, I fear humans. I fear the humans holding
28:38
Speaker 2: the mushrooms in a way that does not serve us collectively.
28:44
Speaker 2: So I think having guardrails around how we hold practice,
28:49
Speaker 2: having reverence for these medicines, not treating them like a
28:52
Speaker 2: commercialized thing. You know. I think as it grows, just
28:56
Speaker 2: seeing be held as a commercial product or even a
29:00
Speaker 2: pharmaceutical product, does not give proper reverence or honor to
29:06
Speaker 2: the practice. So in terms of like who it might
29:10
Speaker 2: be not for it's interesting. The only time, the most
29:16
Speaker 2: significant time I will start to work with somebody, but
29:19
Speaker 2: I'll say, let's wait to introduce mushrooms a little later,
29:24
Speaker 2: is when someone isn't at a place in their life
29:27
Speaker 2: that they can tolerate being more expanded emotionally than they
29:32
Speaker 2: already are. So sometimes people come and they're kind of
29:35
Speaker 2: in the throes of deep grief or loss. They just
29:38
Speaker 2: lost a pet, they're moving through a divorce, they're really
29:41
Speaker 2: raw with grief at that point. It's sometimes introducing microdosing
29:47
Speaker 2: and mushrooms into that it brings up too much too fast,
29:52
Speaker 2: and people aren't quite resourced enough to move through an
29:54
Speaker 2: already big process. That they're moving through right.
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Speaker 1: All right, Casey, how do people learn more about what
30:01
Speaker 1: you're doing, your programs, your trainings, et cetera. What's the
30:05
Speaker 1: best way?
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Speaker 2: All the things are at microts Scene for Healing I
30:10
Speaker 2: am very easy to find online and at microtos Scene
30:12
Speaker 2: for Healing dot com we have all the info about
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Speaker 2: all the various community, the programs, the training program and
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Speaker 2: the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Okay, microdos for Healing podcast Microdosing for Healing yep. Also okay,
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Speaker 1: we'll have all that linked up here at the show
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Speaker 1: notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Awesome.
30:35
Speaker 1: You know, it's so kind of not kind of it's
30:38
Speaker 1: so inspiring to talk to you because you're you're someone
30:44
Speaker 1: who is just like called to do this work. You're
30:50
Speaker 1: like in Philadelphia doing your premiit thing and bo you
30:56
Speaker 1: gotta go west. And you know that. I find that
30:59
Speaker 1: very inspiring mhm. Listening to that, honoring that intention and
31:05
Speaker 1: and and following it's it's awesome. So thank you for
31:10
Speaker 1: for the work you're doing, and thank you for being here.
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Speaker 1: I love to have you back at a later date.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, guys.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Katy, take care