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MLB talk with Matt Snyder, Scott Dochterman on college football & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hour number two, Miller and Condon welcome back.
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  Iowa Sports Radio Network still to come in this next hour, Scott
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  Dockerman from the Athletic on college football and on Iowa.
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  Their depth chart for the Albany A game has been released.
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  We'll get into that. Trent will make some pick circus
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  sports sponsor those. But as the sound tells you, it's
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  time to talk baseball and we do so with our friend Matt Snyder
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  from CBSSports.com. Matt Trenton, Ken, thank you for
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  giving us this segment. We appreciate it as always.
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  How was your week, Matt Snyder? Pretty good overall.
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  And look, football's right around the corner.
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  So yeah, really, fall, fall might be.
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  This is probably a whole different discussion than you
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  wanted, but it might be my favorite time of the year for
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  sports. October, the middle of the NFL
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  season with the baseball playoffs.
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  Yeah. Yeah, conference.
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  We're into conference play instead of Iowa versus Albany.
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  I'm going to pound that this week, John.
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  I just thought. And Mets, Hoosiers, yeah, they
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  they have a different kind of non schedule over there that's.
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  Fair. They like they'd like to get
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  Albany on their schedule. Anyways, let's talk baseball
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  with you. But I agree, October for me is
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  far and away the best month on the sports calendar.
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  But because we'll be playing for World Series of Playoff
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  Baseball, and I guess I want to start with your thoughts that we
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  have a race in the wild card for that final wild card bid.
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  And I think you're probably right, as surprised as I am that
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  the Reds are hanging around. The Reds are hanging around
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  Matt. Yeah, I mean, they haven't they
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  they lost three in a row last week when the Mets were like
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  desperately trying to let the Reds take the spot over.
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  But it's cool that it's close because for so long it just felt
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  like these are the six playoff teams.
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  Yep. And the national side, like
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  where there's there's no shaking any of these sticks out.
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  But then the Mets kind of really, really hit the skids and
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  the Reds played decent to good baseball for for a little bit
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  there. So they're hanging around, you
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  know, there, there is a head to head between them coming up, I
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  believe. Let me see really fast.
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  It's yeah, September 5th or 7th, that's at red.
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  So if it's still that close, that will be really, really fun.
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  And this Cincinnati team, if they would get in, am I crazy to
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  think that they're dangerous? And we know it's stacked.
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  I mean, you got the Dodgers and the Phillies and what the
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  Brewers are and the top end talent of the Cubs.
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  It's stacked. However, I maybe, I don't know,
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  maybe I'm just hoping that Cincinnati finally get good, a
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  good baseball team again. Do you think that they'd have
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  their short series? Anything could happen.
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  Are they a live dog? Cincinnati if they would get in.
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  The easiest, you know, the easiest thing to look at is
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  what's the playoff look rotation look like?
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  And I assume that's where you're coming from because you've got
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  hunter green bonafide ace Andrew Abbott having an outstanding
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  year. And then if you get like Nicola
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  Dolo, if he's healthy and he's throwing, well, that's a pretty
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  darn good #3 for the playoffs. So, yeah, I, I from that aspect,
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  it does seem like they could be dangerous.
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  I just worry about some of the bullpen pieces and the offense
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  is just so inconsistent. You can see them easily losing
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  like 2-1 to nothing games in the wild card round and then just
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  having that be it. But yeah, if they, you know,
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  especially because if you look at the offensive side, you've
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  got a superstar in Ellie De La Cruz.
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  They do run. It's not just Ellie.
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  They steal bases. They have a little bit of power
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  up and down the line up. So yeah, you can see them
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  getting locked in. I just the offense, this isn't
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  that scary to me. But yeah, when you start with a
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  playoff rotation like that with Green, Abbott, Ladolo, of course
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  you can make it deeper. On, I mean, assuming they're
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  able to set it like that, right, they also blow one of those guys
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  on. Yeah, because it'll, it probably
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  will go will go down to the wire where they would have to, you
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  know, pitch their best guys in the last weekend of the season,
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  then there's no time off. So yeah, that that's the other
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  consideration. So along those lines, Franco's
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  done a remarkable job. He has Murphy's going to be
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  tough to knock off. But Thompson and Philly maybe
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  Shilt in San Diego, You, you can't throw Roberts in there.
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  He's imagine the Dodgers, they're supposed to win 110
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  games. Who's the manager of the year in
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  the National League? It's got to be one of those 3.
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  Is it Murphy? I think it has to be Murphy
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  again. I don't see that much of an
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  opening anywhere else. And it's interesting, somebody
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  asked me a few weeks ago, I wish I could remember who, but said
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  has anybody ever won manager of the year 2 years in a row?
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  And I, I did not look it up. My guess is that hardly ever, if
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  ever happens because the way that the award is set up, it's
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  you're you are the team that defies expectations the most for
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  that to happen two years in a row, it's really doesn't happen
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  because if a team usually if they win their division last
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  year, then the manager probably doesn't have a chance to manager
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  of the year the next year because everybody thought, well,
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  they just won their division last year.
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  But the Brewers are playing so far and above what everybody
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  thought their stealing was. I do think he's going to win it
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  again. So that that's something I'm
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  going to have to follow up and check that out.
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  But my hunch is it's hardly ever happened, if ever.
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  Matt Snyder joining us as we take a look around Major League
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  Baseball. Let's get into the Cubs.
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  It boy, that momentum. What happened on Tuesday into
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  Wednesday, 3 game-winning streak.
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  And then I know the lineup frustrated people on Thursday.
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  You got just so many different directions that you can go with
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  this. This Cubs team, they're still
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  hanging around though, is it a stretch?
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  I mean, is there a real path in your mind for them to chase down
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  the Brewers and win this division and and with it
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  potentially put themselves in position for one of the top 2
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  seeds or even maybe the number one overall seed in the NL
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  playoffs? Yeah, I had a major just when I
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  thought I was out, they pulled me back in over the weekend
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  because I had made-up my mind going to that Brewer series.
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  Unless the Cubs sweep them in five games, which would have
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  been absurd. Then the division's over and I
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  did not think about it. I need to just look at the wild
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  card. But now the Brewers have lost
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  six out of nine, and it does seem like they were due
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  regression. They were playing way, way, way
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  too good for any any team. They were playing too well.
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  And you know that regression is coming.
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  Sure enough, they lose a home series to the Giants.
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  They have a much more difficult schedule than the Cubs the rest
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  of the way. The Cubs have one of the easiest
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  schedules and all of baseball remaining.
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  The only two teams the Cubs play that have a winning record the
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  rest of the way are the Mets and the Reds.
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  And they're not like among the elite teams in baseball or
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  anything like that. So the Cubs have a really easy
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  road, 5 games. I usually say like one game a
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  week is workable, 5 games in five weeks and the Cubs have the
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  tiebreaker. So it's basically like 4.
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  I think it's possible, I really do.
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  And four days ago I thought there was no way.
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  So it's funny how that can happen in the marathon that is a
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  baseball season. Things are setting up decently
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  for the Cubs. And while the Brewers were due
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  regression, the Cubs were due positive regression, too.
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  Like you knew Tucker wasn't going to be this bad for this
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  long. He knew, I assume at least stay
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  at Suzuki is going to bounce back and finish strong.
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  I assume Pete Crow Armstrong last week was probably the start
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  of him starting to turn it back around and get hot again.
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  So, you know, it kind of looks like things are turning again.
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  I I don't know how to look this up.
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  It would take a long time, but I can't imagine we've seen it
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  much, if ever, where a team had a 6 1/2 game lead and then
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  trailed by 10 games and then still won the division.
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  And, and you gotta give the farm system credit too, right?
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  I mean, Kate Horton, he's now the favorite in DraftKings to be
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  the NL Rookie of the Year. Matt Shaw's been unbelievable
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  since he really has. Yeah.
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  We're salivating for Owen. Casey.
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  Casey. Gave him a.
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  Boost. Yes, Yeah.
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  The farm system has been unbelievable.
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  So let's let's go to the let's go to the West because the
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  Dodgers really needed that one yesterday.
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  They really did to to at least get one from that series.
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  Is there much between these two? We know the Padres don't flinch
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  when they play the Dodgers. That's a given.
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  That's that's a certainty. But do you believe that these
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  two teams are on equal footing as their record this far into
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  the standings says they are? I still think the Dodgers are
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  better. But here's the thing, we since
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  the Dodgers started 8, no, they're not a ton better than
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  500. So I mean, the Potters have been
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  doing this long enough. They're trading blow, blow for
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  blow with the Dodgers standing toe to toe with them.
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  Dodgers have not been that good since early July.
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  They've actually been under 500 since early July.
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  And I think the Padres have a little bit of a swagger to them,
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  especially since the trade deadline where every year AJ
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  Peller goes out and he does things that people think are
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  reckless, like trading a top prospect for a reliever.
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  People go crazy about it. But in that clubhouse, it has to
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  fire those players to know that they have a general manager
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  who's going to do whatever it takes to make them better right
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  now. And there are a lot of teams who
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  did not do that this year, of several, several major
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  contenders who didn't do that. But the Padres went out and
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  flung for the fences. I I still think the Dodgers are
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  going to win it, but I hope I'm wrong because that'd be really
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  cool if the Padres won the division after we spent the
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  entire offseason listening to everybody talk about how it was
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  no fair and the Dodgers were too good.
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  We saw last week the Cubs shut down Kyle Tucker for a couple
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  days and maybe it worked. Yankees are trying to do the
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  same thing with Anthony Volpe as.
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  He's brutal. And.
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  God. It's one of those things where
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  maybe I mean, like, I guess it kind of worked with Tucker.
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  So you could say, all right, it can work here.
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  But this Yankees team as a whole, this is not just a Volpe
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  problem. This is just defense fielders
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  position. It's the whole team.
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  You you. You see catchers throwing the
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  ball into center field on steel attempts.
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  I can't remember a good baseball team as awful as this one
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  defensively. That's a great point.
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  There were a couple throws over the weekend.
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  One was Jazz where he threw it. I mean, it was like double the
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  first baseman's height. And the other one was Volpe.
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  Was it yesterday or Saturday? Whatever.
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  Saturday. They benched him yesterday,
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  yeah. So much so high over the the
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  head of the first baseman, but the the worst play.
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  This is a team, this is a theme and we saw in the World Series,
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  we saw them blow. Game 5 was sloppy defense.
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  It's it's been a theme for a long time.
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  And and and it seems like Aaron Boone at some point you're the
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  boss on field operations. You're the boss.
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  Why is the team not, you know, just more tight and tighten
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  things up, man, Let's go get it together.
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  The play. That sums it up for me.
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  You know, in the World Series it was Gerrit Cole not covering
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  first, but this past weekend it was when Volpe threw that ball
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  to second base. I I don't even understand, you
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  know, just take the out, take the out at first base trying to
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  be hero. And then Aaron Boone comments
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  post game. He was like, oh, I thought it
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  was a heady play. You know, he almost caught him,
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  but he didn't almost doesn't matter.
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  It's not a heady play. If you didn't catch him, almost
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  doesn't count. I think the problem starts with
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  Boone. But yeah, it's it seems like
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  they're definitely going to make the playoffs.
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  But man, it sure seems like their exit is going to be
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  similar to last year where there's just a ton of sloppiness
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  and it cost them the season. Miller and Khan is official
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  researcher, has program researcher, the baseball.
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  Benny tells us Bobby Cox 2004 and five, and Kevin Cash, 2020
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  and 21 with the Rays. I could see both of those guys.
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  By the way, do you see the picture of Bobby Cox?
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  I guess they celebrated one of the Braves teams in the 90s.
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  Boy, he's old. I mean, yeah, Father Time
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  catches up with Everybody was sad this evening.
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  It really was. All right, so let's talk about
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  my Jays. Do you mind all?
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  Right, let's do. It I hate to bring them up
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  because they don't move the needle here, but they are in
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  first place and they do look like a playoff team.
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  They're going to be a playoff team and I think they're
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  probably going to win the division.
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  How far can this team go? Are they a legit threat to win
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  the American League in your mind, Matt?
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  Absolutely. They're they're a threat to win
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  the World Series. Look, it's funny, we've talked
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  about so many times how wide open the American League.
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  I do think right now the Tigers and Blue Jays have separated
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  themselves and, and you can say or somebody like the Red Sox or
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  Yankees or Astros or Mariners, like I'm no longer going to say,
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  oh, the American League is wide open.
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  Well, you're going to have to go through either Detroit or
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  Toronto or both. And those are not going to be
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  easy. Both bona fide legitimate World
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  Series contenders. And if you get there, of course
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  you can win it all. Did you see Bieber?
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  I was just going to say I love the Bieber acquisition at the
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  time. Just to like that kind of a wild
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  card. Who is not going to run out of
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  bullets this season season because he's hardly going to
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  have pitched at all and he can be at playoffs ace.
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  Sure enough, 9 strikeouts, zero walks.
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  OK, are you kidding me that the Guardian stole him in front of
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  the trade deadline? I mean that's just awful.
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  But hey, worked out well for the Blue Jays because now you can
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  start to envision what a playoff rotation and I tell you what,
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  Scherzer 2.25 VRA last six start between Deber and Scherzer and
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  what they've already got. And like Barrios, Gossman,
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  Bassett, maybe it just, I don't think they're going to have a
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  problem figuring out the playoff rotation and having it look good
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  no matter which way they go. And with that offense, did it
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  it's, I mean, it's we're going to see one of their best playoff
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  teams in a long time. I don't trust Hoffman.
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  The closer. Yeah, well.
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  Anyways, and that part that is a problem, but it's.
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  A good problem to have I guess. What What does that rotation
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  look like then? Let's.
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  Hoffman, Bieber, Scherzer. Big, Big Three.
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  And then? And then, is it Lauer?
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  Is he here? For he's.
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  No, he's not even in the state. They kicked him out when Bieber
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  came back. They did.
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  He's their 6 now. He's been tremendous.
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  Barrios, probably. Yuck.
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  Yeah. I would take Lauer personally,
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  but I'm not running things up. Before you don't even.
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  And there there's the other thing.
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  They have so many starters that you can kick a starter to to the
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  bullpen. Remember the Rangers when they
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  won the World Series, they would do something like throw Andrew
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  Haney like 3 innings and then go to was it Dane, Dane Dunning?
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  They would do like basically 2 starters who only threw 3
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  innings each instead of like 1 full on starter.
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  So you could do something like various one time through the
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  order and then get 3 innings from another starter and relief.
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  When you have that kind of depth, that's what you can do.
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  Royals over the weekend dropped two out of three.
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  Had to get that. Wrong time.
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  Wrong time to do it. Yep.
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  They're still alive, though. I, I like this team.
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  I, I like the makeup and, and Franco, what he's been able to
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  do for what the last two months and obviously what you have with
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  Bobby Witt junior. What kind of odds would I have
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  to give you, though? We know there's a betting market
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  out there, but what kind of odds that the Royals chase down
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  either the Yankees or the Mariners and get in the
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  playoffs? I mean, it's +500 or so.
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  I mean, it's not outrageous or anything.
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  There's three games out and they've they've learned how to
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  hit. They were so bad offensively for
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  the first half of the year at home.
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  Even Bobby Witt junior wasn't really hitting for power, but
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  now he's hitting for power again.
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  Vinny Pasquantino has ten home runs this month.
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  You'd like the rotation to be a little bit healthier.
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  But overall they look pretty good.
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  Not great or anything, but they look good.
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  And we've seen stuff like the the Tigers make that wild run
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  down the hills last season. So it's I haven't looked at
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  their schedule, but like if they're heavy on AL Central
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  teams down the stretch because the Guardians are terrible right
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  now, the Twins are terrible right now.
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  The White Sox or the White Sox, Like if the Royals have a lot of
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  those left, they could be. They can.
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  So yeah, I think it's possible. I still think the most likely
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  scenario is those six teams in the American League stay the six
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  playoff teams, even if they jumble up on seeding.
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  But I could definitely see the Royals sneaking in there.
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  Yeah, the wild card. I mean, I think the teams are
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  set, I'm with you. But the positioning?
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  Far from it, no doubt. About it, yeah, yeah, there's
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  going to be a lot of shuffle in there, even like the the mayors
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  have a chance at the AL West. Yankees and Red Sox are going to
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  Duke it out some depending on where they're going to be,
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  either 3-4 or four 5 or 6. It's going to be fun.
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  Did you see? And I'm, I wanted to bring this
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  up with you because I know you're a Cubs fan.
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  Did you see Kyle Hendricks either Friday or Saturday, meet
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  the media before his start yesterday?
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  I mean, whatever, whatever remarkable a human being and how
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  much he loved you. Love when you see players are
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  making a lot of money that just appreciate the opportunity.
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  I'm sure a lot of them do, but some of them don't.
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  And Kyle Hendricks clearly love putting on that Cub uniform.
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  Yes, absolutely. Well, and you can just juxtapose
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  that against an Angels teammate. Yeah, people might have forgot
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  because he's never there, but Anthony Rendon is 1, takes
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  everything for granted and doesn't care.
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  Hendrix is the opposite of that. He's as good a guy as there is
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  in the game. This might be it.
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  I mean the ER as of 5 right now at 35 years old, but it was a
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  heck of a run. It was a a short run in his
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  prime, but he was so good in his prime. 3rd place die unfinished.
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  One of the better pitchers for a five year period.
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  Did not make the All Star team. Like it's when you picture Kyle
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  Hendricks, you picture oh, he's probably a one or two time All
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  Star. Nope, never made it.
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  And next kind. Of stocks, because I wish he
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  would have made it at least in like 2016 when he led the majors
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  in the ERA. But hey, World Series champion,
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  made a lot of money, had a lot of fun.
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  Every teammate thinks he's the best teammate ever.
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  That's quite an admirable career.
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  Indeed it is. Matt Snyder football season is
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  here. We will speak with you Tuesdays
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  going forward if your schedule allows.
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  Gosh, we hope it does. Thank you, buddy.
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  We'll talk to you next Tuesday. Enjoy Labour Day weekend and
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  enjoy the week of baseball. Thank you bud.
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  All right, take care. Good to talk to you Matt Snyder,
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  CBSSports.com, as we talk baseball with Matt Snyder.
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  Good segment. All right, Scott Dockerman joins
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  us when we come back from the athletic college football
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  conversation. Back Miller and Condon talking
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  sports with you on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  Hi, Miller and Condon, welcome back.
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  Iowa Sports Radio Network coming up on 130.
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  those coming up as well. Let's talk to Scott Dockerman.
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  He writes for the Athletic and Band.
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  You were busy last week, Doc ton of content teaming up with a
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  couple of colleagues of yours and some of your pieces, but you
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  had a busy week. Scott Dockerman, how are you?
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  It's good. It's football season, isn't it?
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  Yeah. It's like everything culminated
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  into this weekend. You know, a couple of financial
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  pieces. I took kind of the the lion's
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  share of 1 and then broke another one on my own and and
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  then some other ones, Whether it's bowl projection or a
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  hypothetical 16 team Jamboree between the Big 10 and SEC and,
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  you know, and then Farmageddon stuff.
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  So yeah, it's it was a quite the busy week I had.
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  The financial component, so you looked under the hood a number
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  of different universities, different backgrounds.
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  And the one thing that jumped out, of course, as revenue
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  continues to increase, so did the spending.
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  But that was also kind of the old world.
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  And you want to have those books as balanced as possible because,
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  well, you didn't be running and and making money in the endeavor
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  of college athletics. You know, in today's day and
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  age, is that still what they're looking to do and cook in the
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  books, if you will? How different is that going to
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  look today as compared to, say, 10 years ago?
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  As far as you know, I mean, money is money.
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  So that is the most important thing that we're talking about
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  here in sports. I mean, you know, when you know,
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  only one team wins national titles, but everybody wants to
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  win at the cash register. And so that's really what we're
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  talking about as far as the importance.
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  It's I think what I found most intriguing about this whole
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  process is you know, that the the trajectories have been
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  comparable. Pretty much what they get is
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  what they spend. That's something that you kind
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  of know because you're dealing with a government agency that's
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  somewhat of a nonprofit. It's kind of a hybrid of that
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  that enables them to spend most of what they get and then raise
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  a lot of money and spend a lot of money, go along with it.
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  But but I think the most fascinating thing is what's the
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  next step? What can these?
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  Athletic departments due to keep up with their own ambitions and
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  their neighbors. And I think what, you know, Ross
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  Bjork kind of had talked about the Ohio State Adi think was
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  most fascinating to me is it's it's about leaning into your
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  assets because these universities create a lot of
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  memories for a lot of people as we saw, you know, for Iowa State
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  fans this weekend. I mean this lifelong memory that
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  they created, but how do you lean into that, monetize it and
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  keep it at the forefront and continue it?
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  That's going to be the challenge for these universities and
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  athletic departments that traditionally have farmed those
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  responsibilities out to Learfield and other entities.
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  Now they're going to find ways to reclaim that money to
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  themselves. Duke Slater Field is now going
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  to show up in the end zone. Did that get a lot of pushback?
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  I personally do what you got to do is kind of all I see it.
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  But did you see pushback on that doc that this is not a good
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  idea? Idea.
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  What are we doing here, Iowa? I didn't.
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  A little was there kind of some a little bit of high mindedness
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  that typically happens with universities, but not much.
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  I mean, it is kind of a new concept.
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  It'd be different if they were to rename Kinnick or something
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  like that. You know, Duke Slater Field is
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  what, four or five years old now?
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  I think it's 2021 is when when it was implemented and and I
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  think moving the name of it to a different location isn't that
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  big of a deal as long as they didn't strip the name of it.
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  But but those are opportunities that you can get and now all of
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  them are now paying as we know 20.5 million this year for
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  athletes and next year that's number is going to go up.
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  So they want to find ways to grow that revenue, but but it's
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  also something that I think that they can in the future that you
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  got to, you know, it's an easy excuse too.
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  You know, here's a $20 million expenditure.
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  We didn't plan on whether all these this money has grown at
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  such a rate that this is actually, you know, when you're
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  talking about $170 million budget, I mean, $20 million is,
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  you know, what about 13% of it. So I don't know, it's kind of
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  funny to me. You also worked with Stuart
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  Mandel for the preseason bowl projections and they're the Iowa
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  Hawkeyes and the College Football Playoff.
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  Now, Stew has not exactly been known as somebody that is a a
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  big Hawkeye fan. Northwestern grad has some
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  memories of making his way to Kiddick that I've heard of talk
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  about in the past. So getting to Iowa there, do you
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  guys putting that together and kind of hand in hand?
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  We're just making bowl projections, Doc.
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  You know, the insurance and outs of the bowl selection process as
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  well as anybody in the country. I mean, you know all the details
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  of all of that. How much more difficult is this
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  enterprise compared to just a couple of years back?
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  I'm figuring where fits who fits where.
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  What specifically with Iowa, you know, it wasn't necessarily me
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  on that one. It was more him and which
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  surprised me is based on his history there.
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  I think it's what we did was, you know, he kind of projected
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  the field. He projects the, the divisional
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  ranking or the conference rankings.
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  And then I kind of went through and put together all of the bold
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  match ups and, and I, I have, I mean, I, I, I've killed some
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  dead trees and I certainly have a bunch of excel spreadsheets
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  on, you know, who's been to what bowl when and, and how, whether
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  or not they could go the orders of each conference and who
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  because, because they flip flop in a lot of years.
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  Like, you know, last year there's the Holiday bowl in the
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  Vegas bowl for the PAC 12 legacy teams.
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  This year, it's the other way around, you know, so there's a
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  lot of things I had to learn and know and write down.
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  And so, you know, and then there's a little bit of feel
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  and, and, and Lauren, who knows, you could have a situation where
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  Iowa State beats Kansas State and then all of a sudden, yeah,
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  that projection doesn't look quite as good.
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  But today that it did maybe on Saturday.
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  So you there's a lot there, but it's all in fun.
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  It's entertaining. And as we get closer, we'll get
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  more and more information from the Bulls themselves, which
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  they'll kind of tell me, OK, we're kind of looking at this.
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  We're kind of looking at that. But it's much more difficult,
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  especially because of the PAC 12 situation.
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  And, and this is the last year of this, of this alignment.
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  But it could be extended for an extra year depending on what
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  happens with the CFP because they they really don't know
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  what's going to happen. And I know a lot of Bulls do not
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  want that to happen in the such as, say, the Rate Bowl, which is
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  in Arizona and it has Big 12 and the Big 10, but it's barred from
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  having any of the PAC 12 teams. So they're like, we would love
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  to have Arizona State or Utah or somebody like that, but they
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  can't. Fascinating Scott Dockerman from
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  The Athletic Dock you wrote about pharma getting leading up
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  to the game. You're a college football fan.
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  Guessing I know what you were doing at 11:00 Saturday morning,
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  your thoughts on what you witnessed and it's just
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  unfortunate the way college athletics has gone that we have
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  to say goodbye to some of these rivalries.
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  Maybe we don't or maybe this is, you know, jump started
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  conversations again to make this a crossover.
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  I don't know what's preventing it.
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  I really don't Where there's a will, there's a way there seems
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  that there is. Your thoughts on what you
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  witnessed on Saturday for at the starting at 11?
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  First of all, it was a fantastic game.
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  Two teams that are ranked and deservedly so.
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  I think, you know, Kansas State can say we made a lot of
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  mistakes and they did and I think Iowa State started slow
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  and they did and the rain didn't help.
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  But I think we saw two teams that are going to be contenders
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  in the Big 12 all year. It was great to see those two
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  teams on that stage. And it really I I think it shows
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  what what college football can be when you talk about these two
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  programs that are, you know, up until 20, you know, it's Bill
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  Snyder certainly, But then then of course, Matt Campbell, you
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  know, two of the the biggest losers in college football
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  history. But now our quality programs,
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  very competitive programs to be able to do that on that stage
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  and command the interest they did.
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  I mean, our metrics were very, very high.
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  We had a reporter there as well. He's he's going to write about
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  kind of the Dublin scene. And so that's going to be really
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  fun to see what he comes up with.
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  Fantastic writer Chris Gamrani. But I think when you look at
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  what the Big 12 is doing and this is overthinking and it's
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  understandable, but you got to take that step back and they
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  want to have everybody cycle through and play everybody as
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  much as off as much as often as possible and and only protect 4
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  rivalries. But but when you take that step
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  back, it reminds me a lot of the Iowa, Wisconsin situation where
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  this game matters to a lot of people.
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  It's an important game. It's between two of now your
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  better program and it's got the coolest nickname.
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  If not in college football, one of them.
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  You want to keep that alive. That's one that if you're Fox or
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  you're ESPN, you're going to say we want to get farm again every
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  year. We don't you know, we that's an
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  important game, kind of like Wisconsin, Minnesota with the
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  axe. You want that game.
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  So I think if I'm the Big 12, I look at a different way to
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  handle this. Rather than just cycle through
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  as the teams as possible, why not say let's do a four year
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  block. We have 16 teams.
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  This is easy. Everybody gets 3 protected
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  rivals for the next 4 years and then you cycle through everybody
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  else two years on, two years off or every other year.
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  And then at the end of four years, we'll, we'll reevaluate
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  it. That way you can have some of
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  your, your western teams play the western teams, you know,
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  Colorado and Utah and Arizona and all that and then have
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  stuff, you know, UCF and and Cincinnati and and West Virginia
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  play one another and then and Iowa State play Kansas State,
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  Kansas and Kansas State every year.
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  Do that for a four year block. And then, you know, there's
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  probably, you know, a third of those games that you could just
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  discard, do it and then flip it around.
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  I don't think it's that hard. I just, I think if you're the
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  Big 12 and you got this kind of momentum with this type of game,
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  why, why leave it hanging? Why make it a note when you
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  really are building towards something that everybody wants
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  to see each and every year? Doc, I love that because it's,
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  you know, creating rivalries. It's not just will you put a
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  trophy on it because we've seen programs that have tried to do
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  that and it doesn't work. It has to be organic.
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  You know, Iowa, Penn State has developed into a rivalry because
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  we've seen a lot of the games and they've been great games.
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  Iowa Northwestern created a rivalry without a trophy, didn't
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  need a trophy. It just got there organically.
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  And when you start to create those things a little bit deeper
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  in it, it gets into that next year.
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  Now Central Florida doesn't have one right now, but you get a
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  couple of ugly match up against West Virginia.
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  Those things can be created. I I think it's something that
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  needs to be digged in a little bit deeper and take that a step
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  further the the Big 12 as we know it now what it's looking
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  like wide open again. That's been the offseason
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  narrative for everybody after what we saw a season ago.
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  Is there a path this year in the 12 team playoff?
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  Is there a realistic path that path that you can see from
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  multiple teams getting into the 12 teamer?
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  It's it's going to be challenging.
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  You've got to win. You've got to at worst be 11 and
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  2 to have that opportunity. It's just it's going to be
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  difficult. But whether same recognition, I
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  mean, it's going to be a fun league every year.
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  They've got a lot of really good teams.
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  But ultimately, when you're comparing it to an Alabama or
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  Ohio State and just use those two teams as examples of
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  Michigan, a Georgia. And if you're in that situation,
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  they're nine and three and you look at them and you see, OK, I
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  would say maybe 11:00 and 2:00, but in Alabama maybe 9:00 and
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  3:00. But you look at the talent and
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  and everybody's going to skew towards that.
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  Alabama, it's not fair, but it's the way it is.
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  So I think if in this situation you're going to want to 11 and
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  one teams at first playing in the Big 12 championship and that
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  being a close game, then you've got an opportunity.
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  But I don't think that it's going to be easy for them.
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  Even in a 16 team playoff, it's going to be a challenge for them
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  to get more than one in it. Doc last thing for me, I was the
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  depth chart has come out. Sam Phillips was the first thing
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  to jump to me beating Reese Vanderzee.
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  He's at the top too. He is and there's no or and
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  ference talked about him in Las Vegas.
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  I'm sure you heard dad talked to him about him on big 10 network.
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  He's Vanderzee has been one of the buzzes this August, yet he
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  didn't win the starting job. Well, when you saw the depth
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  chart doc what jumped off at you?
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  Obviously no left tackle named as of yet.
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  Yeah, I think that that starts it with wide receiver because
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  you're you're right. I mean, I expected Reese
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  Sanders, he who started open the first game last year as a true
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  freshman, the only one to ever do it at Iowa.
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  And here he is on the on the number two line behind a guy
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  who's a, you know, who's, you know, transfer in.
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  And I think that was something that kind of jumped out at me.
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  But I would say between that maybe Bryce Hawthorne actually
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  starting and it's not because of it's, it's whether it's Iowa
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  getting away from it or he was just that much better.
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  We always have this. They're going to skew seniority
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  wise. That's why Lucas Van Ness never
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  started a game. That's why AJ Apanezza had to
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  wait his turn then before he could start a game.
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  And and so to see, OK, wow, the sophomore from South Dakota
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  State jumped in there as the starter, I think was kind of the
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  thing that caught my eye along with, you know, Sam Phillips
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  certainly did too, because we just didn't see a lot of him,
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  whether it was in the spring or or the kids day practice, He
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  just wasn't wasn't the guy out there.
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  But I I would also say that I think their snaps will be real
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  comparable. It's this is going to be like
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  basketball where you have you know, you know, you have about 8
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  or 9 guys who play. There'll be one or two that has
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  30, there'll be one or two that has 12 minutes and the rest will
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  be in that middle. I think that's what you're going
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  to see a wide receiver that sure for I.
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  Let you go on this doc. I asked somebody what can you
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  tell me about Albany and they just said bad.
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  That was the response that I got back.
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  Do you have any insight at all this Albany team?
• 32:17
  They were in the FCS playoffs a couple of years ago and what a
• 32:19
  couple of games, but sounds like definitely a rebuild happening
• 32:22
  with the Great Danes. Any insight at all, what kind of
• 32:25
  difficult, any kind of pushback that they're going to have
• 32:27
  against the Hawks Saturday? Yeah, this is not going to be a
• 32:31
  this is not a game if I'm Albany that I'm excited about for a lot
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  of reasons. I mean, they have an interim
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  head coach, their coach left at, you know, like in February.
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  And so they just moved people up.
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  But, you know, a couple of years ago, yeah, they did go to the
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  playoffs. So in some respects, you look at
• 32:47
  Iowa, it's a little bit unfair to to say that they are, you
• 32:51
  know, they're scheduling a cupcake.
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  I mean, they're an FCS team, So take it for what it's worth.
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  But but this is a team that you know, that a few years ago had
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  Jared Verse before he went to Fort State.
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  That's that's when they actually did that.
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  So I think this is, you know, in every single area they were not
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  good at FCS. And so to come to Kinnock
• 33:12
  Stadium, you know, you, you, you would expect there there might
• 33:17
  be upwards of 90 players getting seen some action on on Saturday
• 33:21
  night for the Hawkeyes. I did not know they had Jared
• 33:24
  Verse. That's no wonder they were good
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  man. He's a difference maker in the
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  NFL. Doc, Great stuff.
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  I know you'll be busy this week. Week 1 upon us.
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  If you could only watch one game, Doc, If, what game would
• 33:36
  you choose? Would it be the big one, the
• 33:38
  early 1? Ohio State, Texas or another
• 33:40
  game surpassed that in your mind.
• 33:44
  No, that I mean, when you're talking about one versus 2 in
• 33:46
  the coaches poll, one versus 3 in the AP poll, two teams that
• 33:49
  played in the semifinals last year, they have two of the most
• 33:52
  interesting quarterback situations in the country.
• 33:55
  The two iconic programs. You got to go with that one.
• 33:58
  However, I will say that LSU, Clemson is the one that really
• 34:01
  stands out for me because I think Clemson I have I picked
• 34:04
  them to to be the runner up nationally and and LSU, you
• 34:08
  know, they've lost five straight opener.
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  So, so you know, if they lose a 6th 1, which I would say that
• 34:14
  they probably will, and Garrett Nesmeyer is really good
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  quarterback, but but going to Clemson is a very tough chore.
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  I I think this is, you know, that would be a close #2 and in
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  most years it would be my number one, but Texas, Ohio State is
• 34:28
  the alpha this. Week and hopefully the Hawks are
• 34:30
  pouring it on over Albany so it's 6:30.
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  I won't even flinch when I change the channel.
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  Doc. Enjoy the week buddy.
• 34:37
  Appreciate this as always. We'll talk to you next week.
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  Thank you. Scott Dockerman.
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  OK. Thank you.
• 34:41
  Yeah, good to talk to you Scott Dockerman from the athletic
• 34:43
  Really busy week content on the Ying Yang at the athletic here
• 34:47
  for a college football fans scored before 2.
• 34:50
  Miller and Condon back to wrap it up.
• 34:51
  Trent's Plays of the Day money line Iowa State winner TC.
• 34:55
  Oh yeah, but well done on that one.
• 34:58
  Miller and Condon, it's the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 35:01
  Hi, Miller and Condon, welcome back.
• 35:03
  Final segment here on a Monday. Coming up at the top of the hour
• 35:08
  off the bench, Lucas Strange, Sean Roberts until 5:00 and then
• 35:14
  overtime, Iowa 5 until 6:00. Well, some good baseball on tap
• 35:20
  to start the week. No Cubs tonight.
• 35:22
  They'll begin the three-game set in San Francisco tomorrow.
• 35:26
  Normally we would, we'd be are your team versus my team.
• 35:29
  But your team's, they're out of it.
• 35:31
  They're out of it. But Joe Ryan is pitching.
• 35:33
  Are they sucking the last time in?
• 35:35
  America League? Yep.
• 35:36
  No way. Yep, that's brutal.
• 35:39
  It is. And I'll be betting against
• 35:41
  them. Give me the Blue Jays only -142
• 35:44
  I don't Joe Ryan. That's why against Scherzer
• 35:47
  though. You said it, Scherzer's, but
• 35:49
  goodly. Really good.
• 35:50
  I'll take the better team and lay the -142 Gonna do the same
• 35:53
  with the Royals against the White Sox on the road though.
• 35:56
  The red hot White Sox, winners of two in a row.
• 35:59
  You know, it's too bad because Kansas City kind of flirted with
• 36:02
  it a little bit. They're still in They're.
• 36:03
  Still in it. But you got to win those games,
• 36:06
  man. And I'm going to take a long
• 36:08
  shot. Give me.
• 36:10
  Cincy. No, I looked at it for a while.
• 36:13
  I know it was Hunter Green, Brad Lord and the Washington
• 36:17
  Nationals against the Yankees. Schlitter goes, he's usually
• 36:21
  good and he runs into trouble in like the 4th singly every single
• 36:24
  time. Throws hard, doesn't get real
• 36:26
  deep into games. Give me Lord and the Nationals
• 36:28
  better than two to one price tag.
• 36:30
  Too good for me to pass up on that one.
• 36:32
  Nationals, Blue Jays, Royals, nothing in the WNBA.
• 36:36
  Looked at a couple games there and now we're going to be
• 36:40
  inching closer to football on Thursday.
• 36:43
  It's unbelievable. And, and what a, what a slate of
• 36:45
  games. I mean, what a weekend to start,
• 36:47
  right? We didn't talk about Notre Dame,
• 36:49
  Miami. No, the talk probably should.
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  What is that? Sunday.
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  That's the Sunday. Night.
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  But there's a Sunday early game, right?
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  South Carolina Vitech. Oh, you're not champion, right?
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  Like it? Not too shabby?
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  Sign up for. That and then one only on
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  Monday. Yes, just the TCU Carolina.
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  Game that'll be good. Iowa State's got TCU on their
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  schedule. That'll be a big game.
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  So we'll get a good look at them at least early on in the year.
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  Your guy Hoover, that QB Hoover, Josh Hoover, good stuff.
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  Well, fun to be talking college football.
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  Great win for the Cyclone. It's just a massive win for that
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  school. And now they'll take on South
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  Dakota and I would get Albany. Depth chart is out.
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  We'll get into it tomorrow, hopefully catch up with one of
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  the Hawkeye reporters as soon as the press conferences.
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  Players at noon and then Ference 145.
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  So there's a window there. Maybe we can grab one to talk
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  with us. We hope that we get to talk with
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  you tomorrow as we do every Monday through Friday from noon
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  until 2. Miller and Condon, thanks for
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  being with us, Iowa Sports Radio Network.