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Sinners: A Cinematic Exploration of Culture and Redemption · Systematic Geekology

1:17
This
1:17
is
1:17
your
1:17
friendly
1:18
neighborhood
1:18
geekologist,
1:19
Will
1:19
Rose.
1:20
And
1:20
what
1:20
you're
1:21
about
1:21
to
1:21
listen
1:21
to
1:22
is
1:22
a
1:22
panel
1:23
from
1:23
the
1:23
Pop
1:23
Culture
1:24
Stage
1:24
at
1:24
theology
1:25
Beer
1:25
Camp
1:26
2025
1:27
in
1:27
St.
1:28
Paul,
1:28
Minnesota.
1:29
I
1:29
was
1:30
there
1:30
hanging
1:30
out
1:30
with
1:31
TJ
1:31
and
1:31
Leah
1:32
and
1:32
Ryan
1:33
and
1:33
Kim
1:33
and
1:33
J.
1:33
Patty
1:34
and
1:34
John
1:34
Augustine
1:35
and
1:35
other
1:35
fellow
1:36
geekologists.
1:36
And
1:37
we
1:37
had
1:37
so
1:37
many
1:37
such
1:37
a
1:38
blast.
1:38
So
1:39
big
1:39
thanks
1:39
to
1:40
Trip
1:40
Fuller
1:41
and
1:41
Homebrew
1:42
Christianity
1:43
for
1:43
allowing
1:44
us
1:44
to
1:44
be
1:44
a
1:44
part
1:44
of
1:45
these
1:45
conversations
1:46
and
1:46
discussions
1:46
and
1:47
even
1:48
allowing
1:48
us
1:48
to
1:48
help
1:49
curate
1:49
what
1:49
happens
1:50
on
1:50
the
1:50
pop
1:51
culture
1:51
Stage,
1:51
formerly
1:52
known
1:52
as
1:52
Geek
1:53
Stage.
1:54
And
1:54
when
1:54
you're
1:54
listening
1:55
to
1:55
this
1:55
episode
1:55
and
1:56
you
1:56
ask
1:56
yourself,
1:56
really,
1:57
this
1:58
kind
1:58
of
1:58
thing
1:58
happens
1:59
at
1:59
Theology
1:59
Beer
1:59
Camp?
2:00
Yes.
2:01
Yes,
2:02
it
2:02
does.
2:04
So
2:04
come
2:04
hang
2:04
out
2:05
with
2:05
us
2:05
at
2:05
the
2:05
next
2:06
one
2:06
in
2:06
2026,
2:06
October
2:07
8th
2:07
through
2:08
the
2:08
10th
2:08
in
2:08
Kansas
2:09
City.
2:10
Hop
2:10
on
2:10
over
2:11
to
2:11
theologybeercamp.com
2:12
where
2:13
you
2:13
can
2:13
buy
2:13
your
2:13
tickets.
2:14
In
2:14
the
2:14
meantime,
2:15
enjoy
2:16
this
2:16
panel
2:16
From
2:17
Theology
2:17
Beercamp
2:18
2025.
2:23
Good
2:23
morning,
2:24
everyone.
2:25
Welcome
2:25
to
2:26
the
2:26
Pop
2:26
Culture
2:27
Stage.
2:29
There
2:30
we
2:30
go.
2:30
Here
2:30
we
2:30
are.
2:31
Clap
2:31
your
2:32
hands
2:32
so
2:32
they
2:32
know
2:32
we're
2:33
real.
2:34
I'm
2:34
Will
2:34
Rose.
2:35
I
2:35
am
2:35
the
2:35
host
2:36
of
2:36
Systematic
2:37
Geekology,
2:37
a
2:38
podcast
2:39
where
2:39
we
2:40
dive
2:40
into
2:40
the
2:41
deeper
2:41
things
2:41
that
2:41
we
2:42
geek
2:42
out
2:42
on.
2:43
And,
2:44
you
2:44
know,
2:45
this
2:45
stage
2:45
was
2:46
called
2:46
the
2:47
Geek
2:47
Stage,
2:47
and
2:48
then
2:48
we
2:48
renamed
2:49
it
2:49
Pop
2:49
Culture
2:50
Stage
2:50
because
2:50
you
2:50
didn't
2:50
want
2:50
people
2:51
to
2:51
feel
2:51
like,
2:51
oh,
2:51
I'm
2:52
not
2:52
necessarily
2:53
a
2:53
geek.
2:53
I
2:53
don't
2:53
geek
2:54
out
2:54
on
2:54
Star
2:54
wars
2:55
or
2:55
comic
2:55
books
2:56
or
2:56
whatever.
2:57
But
2:57
really
2:57
we're
2:58
all
2:58
geekologists
2:59
because
3:00
everybody
3:00
geeks
3:01
out
3:01
on
3:01
something
3:02
in
3:02
pop
3:02
culture.
3:03
And
3:03
so
3:04
today
3:04
we're
3:04
going
3:04
to
3:04
do
3:05
some
3:05
geekology.
3:06
We're
3:06
all
3:06
going
3:06
to
3:07
be
3:07
geekologists
3:07
going
3:08
deeper
3:08
into
3:08
those
3:08
things
3:08
we
3:09
geek
3:09
out
3:09
on.
3:10
And
3:10
today
3:10
we're
3:11
going
3:11
to
3:11
be
3:11
geekologists
3:12
around
3:13
that
3:13
incredible
3:13
movie,
3:14
Sinners.
3:15
Who's
3:15
seen
3:15
it?
3:16
Who's
3:16
seen
3:16
it?
3:17
All
3:17
right,
3:17
good,
3:18
because
3:18
there's
3:18
going
3:18
to
3:18
be
3:18
lots
3:19
of
3:19
spoilers
3:19
today.
3:21
But
3:21
I
3:21
did
3:22
hear
3:22
someone
3:22
say
3:22
one
3:22
time
3:23
that
3:23
sometimes
3:23
spoilers
3:24
help
3:24
because
3:24
it
3:24
relaxes
3:25
you,
3:25
it
3:25
disarms
3:26
you,
3:26
and
3:26
so
3:26
you're
3:26
able
3:26
to
3:27
watch
3:27
it
3:27
more
3:28
freely
3:28
because
3:28
you're
3:29
not
3:29
caught
3:29
up
3:29
in
3:29
expectations.
3:30
And
3:30
so
3:30
even
3:30
if
3:31
you
3:31
get
3:31
something
3:31
spoiled,
3:32
that's
3:32
okay.
3:33
But
3:33
if
3:33
you're
3:33
listening
3:34
to
3:34
this
3:34
out
3:34
there
3:35
in
3:35
land,
3:35
when
3:35
it
3:35
becomes
3:35
a
3:36
podcast,
3:36
I
3:36
recommend
3:37
that
3:37
you
3:37
pause,
3:37
go
3:37
watch
3:38
the
3:38
movie,
3:38
then
3:38
come
3:38
back
3:39
and
3:39
we'll
3:39
be
3:39
a.
3:39
Okay,
3:40
so
3:40
I'm
3:40
going
3:41
to
3:41
turn
3:41
it
3:41
over
3:41
to
3:41
our
3:41
panels,
3:42
let
3:42
them
3:42
kind
3:42
of
3:42
go
3:43
down
3:43
the
3:43
line
3:43
and
3:43
introduce
3:44
themselves
3:45
and
3:46
just
3:46
brief
3:46
introduction,
3:47
who
3:47
you
3:47
are,
3:48
where's
3:48
home
3:48
base
3:49
for
3:49
you?
3:49
What
3:49
you
3:49
teach,
3:49
and
3:50
then
3:50
we'll.
3:50
We'll
3:50
dive
3:50
into.
3:51
To
3:51
the
3:51
movie.
3:52
All
3:52
right,
3:52
Juan,
3:53
take
3:53
it
3:53
away.
3:54
All
3:54
right.
3:54
Well,
3:54
thank
3:55
you,
3:55
Will.
3:55
I'm
3:55
Juan
3:56
Floyd
3:56
Thomas.
3:57
I
3:57
am
3:58
associate
3:59
professor
4:00
of
4:00
African
4:00
American
4:00
Religious
4:01
History
4:01
at
4:01
Vanderbilt
4:02
Divinity
4:02
School,
4:03
and
4:04
I
4:04
also
4:04
teach
4:04
there
4:05
in
4:05
religious
4:05
studies.
4:06
Among
4:06
other
4:06
things,
4:07
I
4:07
do
4:07
teach
4:08
black
4:08
religion
4:09
and
4:09
popular
4:10
culture,
4:10
including
4:11
race
4:12
religion
4:12
and
4:12
films.
4:13
So
4:13
this
4:13
is
4:13
right
4:13
down
4:14
my
4:14
alley.
4:16
Good
4:16
morning.
4:16
I'm
4:17
Stacy
4:17
Floyd
4:18
Thomas,
4:18
and
4:18
I've
4:19
had
4:19
some
4:19
beer
4:23
too
4:23
early
4:24
in
4:24
the
4:24
morning.
4:24
As
4:24
a
4:25
Baptist,
4:25
I
4:25
can
4:25
get
4:26
away
4:26
with
4:26
it
4:26
because
4:26
I'm
4:27
saved.
4:27
But
4:30
you
4:30
can't
4:30
tell
4:30
anybody
4:31
that
4:31
I
4:31
did
4:31
it.
4:33
I
4:34
am
4:34
privileged
4:34
to
4:35
be
4:35
here.
4:35
I
4:35
am
4:37
the
4:37
proud
4:37
wife
4:38
of
4:38
this
4:38
one,
4:40
Juan
4:40
Floyd
4:40
Thomas.
4:41
I
4:41
teach
4:41
at
4:41
Vanderbilt
4:42
Divinity
4:42
School,
4:42
where
4:42
I'm
4:42
the
4:43
Carpenter
4:44
professor
4:45
of
4:45
Ethics
4:45
and
4:45
Society
4:46
and
4:47
the
4:47
Chair
4:47
of
4:48
African
4:48
American
4:49
Studies.
4:50
On
4:50
this
4:50
panel,
4:51
though,
4:52
this
4:52
is
4:52
what
4:52
you
4:53
need
4:53
to
4:53
know.
4:53
Whenever
4:53
black
4:54
people
4:55
are
4:55
in
4:56
a
4:56
space
4:56
where
4:56
there
4:56
are
4:57
a
4:57
lot
4:57
of
4:57
white
4:57
people
4:58
and
4:59
we're
4:59
together,
5:00
you
5:00
have
5:00
to
5:00
ask
5:01
yourself,
5:01
what
5:01
are
5:02
the
5:02
black
5:02
people
5:02
doing
5:03
together
5:03
at
5:03
their
5:04
table?
5:05
So
5:05
at
5:05
this
5:06
table,
5:06
I
5:07
am
5:07
the
5:07
soulmate
5:08
of
5:09
this
5:09
one.
5:10
I've
5:10
been
5:10
the
5:11
fan
5:11
girl
5:11
of
5:12
this
5:12
one.
5:15
I
5:15
met
5:16
her
5:16
in
5:16
word
5:16
before
5:16
I
5:17
met
5:17
her
5:17
in
5:17
flesh.
5:18
But
5:19
she
5:19
looks
5:19
younger
5:20
than
5:20
my
5:20
own
5:20
flesh,
5:21
which
5:22
means
5:22
she's
5:23
made
5:23
a
5:23
deal
5:23
with
5:23
the
5:24
devil.
5:24
We'll
5:24
talk
5:24
about
5:25
that.
5:25
We
5:26
gotta
5:26
talk
5:26
about
5:26
that.
5:27
Which
5:27
means
5:27
favor's
5:28
not
5:28
fair
5:28
and
5:28
she
5:29
must
5:29
be
5:29
a
5:29
sinner
5:30
for
5:30
real.
5:32
And
5:33
the
5:33
Baptists
5:33
are
5:34
low
5:34
and
5:34
the
5:34
Episcopalians
5:35
are
5:35
high,
5:37
and
5:38
Adam
5:39
is
5:39
my
5:39
summer
5:40
soul
5:40
brother,
5:42
where
5:43
the
5:43
space
5:44
of
5:44
Martha's
5:45
Vineyard
5:45
has
5:46
given
5:46
us
5:47
sanctuary.
5:49
Yeah.
5:49
In
5:50
a
5:50
way
5:50
the
5:50
academy
5:51
has
5:51
not.
5:51
Wow.
5:52
Wow.
5:52
Yeah.
5:54
So
5:54
I
5:54
am
5:55
in
5:55
a
5:56
village
5:56
in
5:56
a
5:56
space
5:57
of
5:57
love
5:57
and
5:58
longing
5:59
that
5:59
only
6:00
the
6:00
toast
6:00
to
6:02
the
6:02
beer
6:02
camp
6:02
could
6:03
have
6:03
provided.
6:04
So
6:04
good
6:04
morning.
6:05
Good
6:05
morning.
6:08
All
6:08
I
6:09
need
6:09
to
6:09
say
6:09
to
6:09
that
6:10
is
6:10
amen.
6:11
Amen,
6:12
amen
6:12
and
6:12
amen.
6:14
See,
6:14
there
6:14
you
6:14
go.
6:14
Just
6:15
say
6:15
amen
6:15
and
6:16
amen
6:16
and
6:16
amen
6:17
again.
6:17
And
6:18
the
6:18
fact
6:18
that
6:18
as
6:19
an
6:19
Episcopalian,
6:20
I'm
6:20
saying
6:20
Amen
6:21
out
6:21
loud.
6:25
There's
6:26
something
6:26
about
6:26
the
6:26
black
6:27
church
6:28
that
6:28
transcends
6:29
the
6:29
nomination.
6:30
There
6:30
you
6:30
go.
6:32
And
6:32
you
6:32
know,
6:33
she's
6:33
a
6:33
Baptist
6:34
and
6:34
had
6:34
beer
6:35
and
6:35
she
6:35
knows
6:36
she
6:36
ain't
6:36
supposed
6:36
to,
6:37
and
6:38
I'm
6:38
an
6:39
Episcopalian
6:39
and
6:40
didn't
6:40
have
6:40
any,
6:40
and
6:41
I
6:41
know
6:41
I
6:41
ain't
6:41
supposed
6:41
to
6:42
do
6:42
that,
6:44
so
6:44
I
6:44
have
6:44
to
6:45
catch
6:45
up.
6:45
But
6:46
I
6:46
am
6:47
Kelly
6:48
Brown
6:48
Douglas.
6:49
I
6:49
am
6:49
currently
6:50
visiting
6:50
professor
6:51
of
6:51
theology
6:52
at
6:52
Harvard
6:53
School
6:53
of
6:53
Divinity
6:54
and
6:55
Canon
6:55
Theologian
6:56
at
6:56
the
6:56
Washington
6:57
National
6:57
Cathedral.
6:59
Sins
6:59
enough
7:00
and
7:01
geeking
7:02
out,
7:02
really.
7:03
On
7:04
just
7:04
this
7:04
space
7:06
with
7:06
these
7:07
three
7:08
folks
7:09
that
7:10
I
7:11
admire
7:12
and
7:12
whose
7:13
work
7:13
pushes
7:14
me.
7:15
And
7:15
so
7:15
I
7:15
am
7:16
the
7:16
old
7:16
one
7:16
here.
7:17
And
7:18
it
7:19
are
7:19
these
7:19
folks
7:19
who
7:20
are
7:20
carrying
7:20
forth
7:20
a
7:21
legacy
7:22
that
7:23
I
7:23
am
7:24
learning
7:24
from.
7:25
And
7:25
so
7:26
I
7:26
am
7:26
just
7:26
really
7:27
geeking
7:27
out
7:27
on
7:28
being
7:28
here
7:28
with
7:28
them,
7:29
and
7:29
I'm
7:29
going
7:29
to
7:29
listen
7:30
to
7:30
what
7:30
they
7:30
got
7:30
to
7:30
say
7:31
about
7:31
sinners
7:32
that
7:32
I
7:32
think
7:32
we've
7:33
all
7:33
seen
7:33
at
7:33
least
7:34
a
7:34
dozen
7:35
times.
7:37
Yeah,
7:38
my
7:38
name's
7:38
Adam
7:39
Clark.
7:39
I'm
7:39
a
7:39
veteran
7:40
of
7:40
beer
7:40
camp,
7:40
and
7:41
these
7:41
are
7:41
first
7:41
timers.
7:42
So
7:42
rookie.
7:45
Well,
7:45
I
7:45
know
7:46
you
7:46
know
7:47
the
7:47
world
7:47
hates
7:48
DEI
7:48
and
7:48
affirmative
7:49
action.
7:50
I
7:50
promise
7:50
to
7:50
bring
7:50
some
7:51
black
7:51
people
7:51
here.
7:53
That's
7:54
why
7:54
we're
7:54
here,
7:55
and
7:56
that's
7:56
why
7:56
we're
7:57
here.
7:58
So
7:58
I've
7:58
been
7:58
advocating
7:59
for
7:59
a
7:59
long
7:59
time.
8:01
I
8:01
said,
8:01
bring
8:02
it
8:02
back,
8:02
bring
8:02
it
8:03
back.
8:03
And
8:04
also
8:04
because
8:04
the
8:04
nature
8:05
of
8:05
grassroots
8:06
theological
8:06
education
8:07
has
8:08
to
8:08
change,
8:08
right?
8:09
Yeah,
8:09
yeah,
8:09
yeah.
8:09
Like,
8:09
we
8:10
get
8:10
angry
8:10
at
8:10
people
8:11
for
8:11
not
8:11
knowing
8:12
progressive
8:13
theological
8:14
frameworks,
8:15
but
8:15
we
8:15
keep
8:15
them
8:16
locked
8:16
in
8:16
the
8:16
academy.
8:17
So
8:17
I'm
8:18
really
8:18
glad
8:18
that
8:19
you
8:20
have
8:20
some
8:20
incredible
8:21
thinkers
8:22
up
8:22
here
8:22
who
8:22
are
8:22
able
8:23
to
8:24
actually
8:24
put
8:24
certain
8:25
types
8:25
of
8:25
theological
8:26
frameworks
8:27
that
8:27
are
8:27
applicable
8:28
and
8:29
useful
8:30
for
8:30
people
8:30
who
8:31
are
8:31
really
8:31
serious
8:32
about
8:32
their
8:32
faith
8:33
and
8:33
want
8:33
to
8:33
think
8:34
deeply
8:34
critical.
8:35
So
8:35
my
8:35
name
8:35
is
8:35
Adam
8:36
Clark.
8:36
I'm
8:37
a
8:37
professor
8:37
of
8:37
theology
8:38
at
8:38
Xavier
8:39
University.
8:39
I'm
8:40
the
8:40
director
8:40
of
8:40
civic
8:41
engagement
8:42
there
8:42
as
8:43
well,
8:43
and
8:44
I'm
8:44
happy
8:44
to
8:44
be
8:44
here.
8:46
Awesome.
8:47
Cool,
8:47
cool,
8:48
cool.
8:49
Yeah.
8:50
So
8:50
let's
8:50
geek
8:50
out.
8:51
So
8:51
this
8:51
movie
8:51
center
8:52
set
8:52
to
8:52
1932,
8:54
Mississippi,
8:55
it
8:55
starts
8:55
off
8:56
as
8:56
kind
8:56
of,
8:57
how
8:58
can
8:58
these
8:58
young
8:59
twins
9:00
create
9:00
a
9:01
space
9:01
where
9:02
they
9:02
can
9:02
have
9:02
parties,
9:03
where
9:03
they
9:03
can
9:04
drink,
9:04
drink,
9:05
where
9:05
they
9:05
can
9:06
play
9:06
music,
9:06
where
9:07
they
9:07
can
9:07
just
9:08
geek
9:08
out
9:08
among
9:09
themselves?
9:09
And
9:09
then
9:10
about
9:10
halfway
9:10
through
9:10
the
9:10
movie,
9:11
it
9:11
turns
9:11
into
9:11
a
9:11
vampire
9:12
horror
9:12
movie,
9:13
which
9:14
is
9:14
layered
9:14
in
9:14
text
9:15
with
9:15
so
9:15
many
9:15
different
9:15
things.
9:16
And
9:16
so
9:16
the
9:16
movie
9:17
is
9:17
named
9:17
Sinners.
9:18
And
9:18
so,
9:18
yes,
9:18
there
9:19
is
9:19
drinking
9:20
and
9:20
gambling
9:21
and
9:21
sex
9:22
and
9:23
dancing
9:23
and
9:24
music
9:24
outside
9:24
the
9:25
walls.
9:25
The
9:25
church.
9:26
How
9:26
dare
9:26
you
9:26
play
9:27
music
9:27
outside
9:27
the
9:27
walls
9:28
of
9:28
the
9:28
church.
9:28
But
9:29
I
9:29
want
9:29
to
9:29
ask
9:29
you
9:29
guys,
9:30
so
9:31
what
9:31
is
9:31
the
9:31
sin?
9:32
This
9:33
movie
9:33
is
9:33
called
9:33
Sinners,
9:34
and
9:34
we
9:34
could
9:34
get
9:35
kind
9:35
of
9:35
caught
9:35
up
9:35
in
9:36
the
9:36
actions
9:36
of
9:36
people,
9:37
but
9:37
there's
9:37
an
9:37
overlayed
9:38
kind
9:38
of
9:39
text
9:39
of.
9:40
Of
9:40
a
9:40
system
9:40
of
9:41
sin.
9:41
But
9:41
anyway,
9:41
so
9:41
what
9:42
if
9:42
it's
9:43
white
9:43
supremacy,
9:44
Will?
9:44
Okay,
9:45
there
9:45
you
9:45
go.
9:45
White
9:45
supremacy
9:46
and
9:47
its
9:47
predatory
9:48
and
9:48
parasitic
9:49
nature,
9:50
as
9:50
well
9:51
as
9:51
its
9:51
false
9:52
promises
9:52
of
9:52
salvation.
9:54
And
9:54
it's
9:54
embodied
9:55
in
9:55
white
9:55
vamp.
9:57
Right?
9:58
And
9:58
the
9:58
hive
9:58
mind,
9:59
which
9:59
is
10:00
a
10:00
way
10:00
of
10:00
talking
10:01
about
10:01
a
10:02
false
10:02
universal
10:03
that
10:03
erases
10:04
difference.
10:06
Right?
10:07
So
10:08
white
10:08
supremacy
10:09
has
10:09
to
10:09
survive
10:10
by
10:11
sucking
10:11
the
10:11
blood
10:12
of
10:12
black
10:12
vitality
10:14
out
10:14
of
10:14
bodies.
10:15
Right.
10:16
In
10:16
order
10:16
to
10:16
sustain
10:17
itself
10:17
and
10:17
reproduce
10:18
itself.
10:19
Right.
10:20
So
10:21
you
10:21
have
10:21
that
10:22
as
10:22
the.
10:23
And
10:23
also
10:24
in
10:24
order
10:24
to
10:25
maintain
10:25
itself.
10:25
It
10:26
also
10:26
had
10:26
that
10:26
people
10:26
have
10:27
to
10:27
invite
10:27
it
10:27
in.
10:30
Yeah,
10:30
yeah.
10:31
There's
10:31
a
10:31
certain
10:31
type
10:31
of
10:32
dynamic
10:33
of.
10:34
There's
10:34
an
10:34
invitational
10:35
point.
10:36
And
10:36
I
10:36
think
10:36
part
10:36
of
10:37
the
10:38
parable
10:39
of
10:39
the
10:39
movie
10:40
is
10:40
how
10:40
the
10:40
blues
10:41
functions
10:41
as
10:41
a
10:42
vehicle
10:43
of
10:44
resistance
10:45
and
10:45
affirmation
10:46
of
10:46
black
10:46
humanity.
10:47
A
10:47
kind
10:47
of
10:47
counter
10:48
story
10:48
within
10:49
this
10:51
that
10:52
kind
10:52
of
10:52
flips
10:52
the
10:53
narrative
10:53
of
10:53
kind
10:54
of
10:54
confessional
10:54
Christianity
10:55
as
10:56
devil
10:56
music.
10:57
Right.
10:58
Like
10:58
in
10:58
terms
10:58
of
10:58
that.
10:59
So
10:59
I
11:00
think
11:00
that's.
11:00
That's
11:00
the
11:01
sin.
11:01
It's
11:01
a.
11:02
It's
11:02
kind
11:02
of
11:02
a
11:04
macro
11:05
sin
11:06
that
11:06
actually
11:07
functions
11:07
as
11:08
an
11:08
idolatrous
11:09
power
11:10
about.
11:12
And
11:12
the
11:12
sin
11:13
is
11:13
also
11:14
something
11:14
that
11:15
only
11:15
exists
11:16
by
11:16
consuming
11:17
the
11:18
bodies
11:18
of
11:18
others,
11:19
the
11:19
lives
11:19
of
11:20
others.
11:20
And
11:21
you
11:21
see
11:21
the
11:21
wreckage
11:21
and
11:22
destruction
11:23
throughout
11:23
the
11:23
movie.
11:25
Go
11:26
for
11:26
it,
11:26
Juan.
11:26
I
11:26
would
11:27
just
11:27
build.
11:27
Build
11:27
on
11:28
what
11:28
Adam
11:28
dropped.
11:29
I
11:29
mean,
11:29
and
11:29
you
11:29
know.
11:30
Oh,
11:30
sorry.
11:32
I
11:32
mean,
11:32
the
11:33
blast
11:33
radius
11:34
from
11:34
what
11:34
Adam
11:34
just
11:35
says,
11:35
still
11:37
glowing
11:37
red
11:37
hot.
11:39
But
11:40
I
11:40
think
11:40
you,
11:41
you.
11:41
We
11:41
have
11:42
a
11:42
dualistic
11:43
mechanism
11:43
at
11:44
work
11:44
here.
11:44
And,
11:44
you
11:45
know,
11:45
I
11:46
think
11:46
it's
11:46
opinion
11:47
by
11:47
two
11:48
fairly
11:48
common
11:49
or
11:49
well
11:49
known,
11:51
well
11:51
known
11:51
phrases,
11:52
you
11:52
know,
11:52
that
11:52
we're
11:52
all
11:53
sinners
11:53
who've
11:54
fallen
11:54
short
11:54
of
11:55
the
11:55
glory
11:55
of
11:55
God,
11:56
but
11:56
then
11:56
we're
11:56
also
11:57
sinners
11:57
saved
11:57
by
11:58
grace.
11:58
And
11:59
to
12:00
that
12:00
concern,
12:00
I
12:01
wrestle
12:01
with
12:01
the
12:02
issue
12:02
of
12:03
what
12:03
Coogler
12:03
and
12:04
the
12:04
cast
12:05
and
12:05
crew
12:05
were
12:05
able
12:06
to
12:06
accomplish
12:07
by
12:07
placing
12:09
agency,
12:10
you
12:10
know,
12:10
human
12:11
moral
12:12
choice
12:13
so
12:14
much
12:14
squarely
12:14
in
12:15
the.
12:15
In
12:15
the
12:15
mix
12:16
of
12:16
what's
12:16
going
12:16
on
12:17
here.
12:18
Right.
12:18
So
12:18
if
12:18
we
12:19
wrestle
12:19
with
12:19
sin
12:19
in
12:20
terms
12:20
of
12:20
a
12:20
rupture
12:21
not
12:21
just
12:22
between
12:23
human
12:23
and
12:23
divine,
12:24
but
12:24
between
12:24
humans
12:25
and
12:25
humans.
12:26
Right.
12:26
And
12:26
I
12:27
think
12:27
white
12:27
supremacy
12:28
is
12:28
such
12:29
a
12:29
powerful
12:29
and
12:30
necessary
12:32
means
12:32
by
12:32
which
12:32
to
12:33
examine
12:33
sin,
12:34
capital
12:35
letters,
12:35
you
12:35
know,
12:36
S
12:36
I
12:36
N.
12:37
But
12:38
also
12:38
the
12:38
ways
12:39
in
12:39
which.
12:39
Right.
12:41
No
12:41
one
12:41
is
12:41
absolutely
12:42
good
12:42
or
12:42
absolutely
12:43
bad
12:43
within
12:44
this
12:44
universe,
12:44
but
12:45
so
12:45
many
12:46
shades
12:46
of
12:46
moral
12:47
gray
12:47
inhabit
12:48
the
12:48
spaces
12:49
in
12:49
between.
12:51
And
12:51
for
12:51
that
12:51
juke
12:52
joint
12:52
to
12:52
serve
12:52
as
12:53
a
12:53
kind
12:53
of
12:54
proving
12:54
ground
12:55
and
12:56
in
12:56
some
12:56
cases
12:56
the
12:57
killing
12:57
floor
12:58
by
12:58
which,
12:58
you
12:59
know,
12:59
those
12:59
decisions
13:00
of
13:00
life
13:00
and
13:01
death,
13:01
of
13:02
righteousness
13:02
or
13:03
wickedness
13:03
are
13:03
being
13:04
played
13:04
out,
13:04
I
13:04
think
13:04
is,
13:05
you
13:05
know,
13:06
it's
13:06
epic.
13:07
Yeah,
13:08
Kelly,
13:09
I
13:10
agree
13:10
with
13:11
all
13:12
that
13:12
has
13:12
been
13:13
said,
13:13
clearly.
13:13
Because
13:14
what
13:14
it
13:14
reflects
13:14
is
13:14
that
13:15
this
13:15
movie
13:15
is
13:15
layered.
13:17
And
13:18
it's
13:19
layered
13:19
with
13:19
this
13:19
sort
13:20
of
13:20
the
13:21
complexity
13:21
of
13:22
richness
13:22
that
13:22
is
13:23
in
13:23
this
13:23
movie.
13:23
It's
13:23
complex.
13:25
One
13:26
of
13:26
the
13:26
things
13:26
that.
13:27
But
13:28
I
13:28
want
13:28
to
13:28
add
13:29
to
13:29
that
13:29
Sort
13:29
of
13:29
taking
13:30
it
13:30
even
13:30
away
13:31
from
13:32
centering
13:34
whiteness
13:35
and
13:35
white
13:35
supremacy.
13:36
And
13:36
it's
13:36
there
13:37
clearly,
13:38
and
13:38
it
13:38
travels
13:39
by
13:39
night.
13:42
And
13:43
we
13:43
see
13:43
that
13:46
is
13:46
the
13:47
richness
13:48
of
13:48
black
13:48
culture
13:49
that
13:49
is
13:49
also
13:49
reflected.
13:51
Right.
13:52
And
13:52
the
13:52
ways
13:53
in
13:53
which,
13:54
first
13:54
of
13:54
all.
13:54
And
13:55
we
13:55
can.
13:55
I'll
13:56
just
13:56
drop
13:56
these
13:56
and
13:57
then
13:57
can
13:57
say
13:58
more.
13:58
I
13:58
know
13:58
you
13:59
have
13:59
more
13:59
to
13:59
say
14:00
about
14:00
it.
14:01
The
14:02
ways
14:02
in
14:02
which
14:03
one,
14:03
the
14:04
blues
14:05
and
14:05
the
14:05
church
14:06
are
14:06
in
14:06
dialogue,
14:07
a
14:07
dialectic
14:08
relationship
14:09
with
14:09
one
14:09
another.
14:11
Then
14:11
of
14:11
course,
14:11
we
14:11
see
14:12
that
14:12
come
14:13
together
14:13
and
14:14
at
14:14
the
14:14
end,
14:15
at
14:15
the
14:16
triple
14:16
end.
14:19
But.
14:20
And
14:21
you
14:21
know,
14:21
that's
14:21
to
14:22
me,
14:22
the
14:22
Tommy
14:22
Dorsey
14:23
moment.
14:25
And
14:25
so
14:26
that
14:26
they.
14:26
Or
14:26
Thomas
14:27
Dorsey,
14:28
but
14:28
they're
14:28
always
14:29
in
14:29
this
14:29
dialectic
14:30
with
14:30
each
14:30
other.
14:31
Other.
14:31
And
14:32
if
14:32
we
14:33
see
14:33
them
14:33
as
14:33
opposing
14:34
each
14:34
other,
14:35
we
14:35
don't
14:35
understand
14:36
the
14:36
richness
14:37
of
14:37
what
14:37
goes
14:37
on
14:38
in
14:38
black
14:38
culture
14:39
and
14:39
how
14:39
in
14:40
fact,
14:40
indeed
14:41
both
14:41
of
14:41
those.
14:43
The
14:43
black
14:44
church
14:44
is
14:44
represented
14:45
by
14:45
the.
14:47
What's
14:47
the
14:47
name?
14:48
Now?
14:48
I
14:48
can't
14:48
think
14:48
of
14:48
the
14:49
young
14:49
kid's
14:51
father.
14:52
Oh,
14:52
preacher
14:53
boy
14:53
Stan.
14:53
Yeah,
14:53
yeah.
14:54
And
14:55
then
14:56
of
14:56
course,
14:56
he
14:57
also
14:57
is
14:57
the
14:58
blues
14:58
player.
15:00
But
15:00
both
15:00
of
15:01
those
15:01
traditions
15:03
saved
15:03
and
15:04
spoke
15:04
to
15:05
a
15:06
poor
15:06
black
15:06
community
15:07
who's
15:07
struggling
15:08
for
15:08
survival
15:08
and
15:09
affirmation.
15:10
And
15:10
if
15:10
those
15:10
traditions
15:11
are
15:11
put
15:12
in
15:12
a.
15:13
In
15:13
opposition
15:14
to
15:14
one
15:14
another,
15:15
then
15:15
it
15:16
doesn't
15:16
capture
15:17
sort
15:17
of
15:17
the
15:17
meaning
15:18
of
15:18
what's
15:18
going
15:18
on
15:19
here.
15:19
And
15:19
when
15:19
they
15:19
are
15:19
indeed
15:20
placed
15:20
in
15:21
opposition
15:21
to
15:21
each
15:21
other,
15:22
which
15:22
we
15:22
have
15:22
seen
15:22
and
15:23
throughout
15:23
black
15:24
faith
15:25
history,
15:25
it
15:26
misses
15:27
what?
15:28
Well,
15:29
it
15:29
misses
15:29
the
15:29
fact
15:30
that
15:30
they're
15:30
both
15:30
trying
15:31
to
15:31
answer
15:31
to
15:31
the
15:32
same
15:32
thing
15:32
or
15:32
respond
15:33
to
15:33
the
15:33
same
15:33
thing,
15:34
to
15:34
the
15:34
same
15:34
need
15:35
to
15:35
the
15:35
same
15:35
struggle.
15:36
And
15:36
these
15:36
are
15:36
struggles
15:37
of
15:37
poor
15:37
black
15:37
people.
15:38
Just.
15:38
Poor
15:39
black
15:39
people.
15:39
Just.
15:39
Thank
15:40
you,
15:40
Adam.
15:41
Just
15:42
trying
15:44
to
15:44
make
15:44
it
15:44
the
15:45
other
15:46
thing.
15:46
So
15:46
they're
15:47
in
15:47
this
15:48
sort
15:48
of
15:48
dialect
15:49
of
15:49
each
15:49
other.
15:49
The
15:50
other
15:50
thing.
15:50
And
15:50
this
15:51
is.
15:51
You
15:51
have
15:51
Ryan
15:51
Coogler
15:52
in
15:52
conversation
15:53
with.
15:53
Because
15:54
he
15:54
did
15:54
this
15:54
movie
15:56
upon
15:57
the
15:57
research
15:57
and
15:57
the
15:58
guidance
15:58
of
15:58
Dr.
15:58
Yvonne
15:59
Charot.
16:00
This
16:01
movie
16:01
ain't
16:01
possible
16:02
within
16:02
its
16:03
richness.
16:03
There
16:03
you
16:04
go.
16:04
Yes.
16:07
If
16:07
it
16:07
wasn't
16:07
for
16:07
the
16:08
women.
16:11
Or.
16:11
If
16:11
it
16:11
wasn't
16:12
for
16:12
the
16:12
black
16:12
women.
16:13
Yeah,
16:13
yeah.
16:14
And
16:14
so
16:14
let's
16:15
not
16:15
mention
16:15
Ryan
16:15
COOGLER
16:16
without
16:16
mentioning
16:17
Dr.
16:17
Yvonne
16:17
Charo.
16:18
Yes.
16:18
Yeah.
16:19
Because
16:19
Dr.
16:19
Yvonne
16:20
Charo
16:20
added
16:21
the
16:21
richness
16:21
to
16:21
the
16:21
meaning
16:22
of
16:22
this
16:22
movie.
16:22
Yeah.
16:23
Because
16:23
the
16:23
other
16:24
thing
16:24
that
16:25
is
16:25
going
16:25
on
16:25
in
16:26
this
16:26
movie,
16:26
of
16:26
course,
16:27
is
16:27
what
16:30
Dr.
16:30
Ahmaud
16:31
Green
16:32
calls
16:32
sort
16:33
of
16:33
these.
16:33
This
16:34
underworld.
16:35
These
16:35
underworld
16:35
religions.
16:36
Right.
16:38
Pointing
16:39
to
16:39
is
16:39
again,
16:40
the
16:40
richness
16:40
of
16:41
black
16:41
religious
16:42
culture.
16:42
Right.
16:43
And
16:43
so
16:44
you
16:44
have
16:44
this
16:46
voodoo,
16:47
hoodoo,
16:48
etc.
16:49
That
16:49
is
16:50
there
16:50
always
16:51
in
16:51
dialogue
16:52
with
16:53
the
16:53
wider
16:54
black
16:54
faith
16:54
tradition.
16:55
And
16:56
we
16:56
know,
16:57
really,
16:57
in
16:57
the
16:57
black
16:58
slave
16:58
tradition,
16:59
it's
17:00
never
17:00
been.
17:00
There's
17:00
always
17:01
been
17:01
this.
17:02
This
17:02
word
17:03
now
17:03
is
17:04
sometimes
17:05
used
17:05
pejoratively.
17:06
But
17:06
this
17:06
synchronization
17:08
of
17:08
tradition,
17:10
here
17:10
you
17:11
have
17:11
it.
17:11
And
17:12
so
17:12
she's
17:13
there
17:13
bringing
17:14
this
17:14
in.
17:14
It,
17:15
again,
17:15
is
17:15
a
17:16
part
17:16
of
17:16
a
17:17
black
17:17
way
17:17
of
17:18
knowing
17:18
the
17:18
world
17:18
in
17:19
which
17:19
you're
17:19
trying
17:19
to
17:19
navigate
17:20
and
17:20
trying
17:21
to
17:21
navigate
17:22
that
17:22
world.
17:22
And
17:23
so
17:23
the
17:23
richness.
17:24
I'm
17:24
gonna
17:24
shut
17:24
up
17:24
now
17:24
because
17:25
we
17:25
can
17:25
say.
17:25
I
17:25
can
17:25
say
17:25
a
17:25
lot
17:26
more.
17:26
They'll
17:26
bring
17:27
it
17:27
out.
17:27
But
17:27
the
17:27
richness,
17:28
what
17:28
I
17:29
wanna
17:29
foreground,
17:30
yes,
17:30
it's
17:30
about
17:31
white
17:31
supremacy.
17:32
Yes.
17:32
White.
17:32
Well,
17:32
the
17:32
scent
17:33
is
17:33
about
17:33
white
17:33
supremacy,
17:34
not
17:35
the
17:35
movie.
17:35
The
17:35
scent
17:35
is
17:36
about
17:36
white
17:36
supremacy.
17:37
And
17:37
it
17:37
is
17:38
parasitic.
17:38
Right.
17:39
It
17:39
is
17:39
vampirish.
17:40
I
17:40
mean,
17:41
the
17:41
way
17:44
and
17:46
the
17:46
richness
17:47
of
17:48
black
17:48
cultural
17:49
tradition
17:50
that
17:50
is
17:50
in
17:50
this
17:51
film.
17:51
And
17:51
I'm
17:52
gonna
17:52
leave
17:52
the
17:52
historic
17:53
part
17:53
to
17:53
the
17:53
historian
17:54
in
17:54
terms
17:55
of
17:55
even
17:55
the
17:55
history
17:55
that's
17:56
captured
17:56
in
17:56
the
17:56
black
17:57
struggle
17:57
and
17:57
all
17:57
of
17:58
the
17:58
homages
17:59
to
17:59
that
17:59
history.
17:59
So
17:59
I'll
18:00
shut
18:00
up
18:00
there,
18:02
Stacy.
18:03
I'm
18:03
just
18:03
gonna
18:03
lean
18:04
in
18:04
here
18:04
and
18:05
say
18:05
that
18:06
if
18:06
we
18:06
were
18:06
to
18:06
talk
18:07
about
18:07
the
18:07
blues,
18:09
we
18:09
would
18:09
leave
18:09
that
18:10
to
18:12
the
18:12
genius
18:14
3.0
18:15
of
18:15
James
18:16
cone,
18:16
which
18:16
is
18:16
Kelly
18:17
Brown
18:17
Douglas.
18:18
And
18:20
this
18:21
nerd
18:21
geek
18:22
pop
18:22
expert
18:23
who's
18:23
a
18:23
historian
18:24
to
18:24
my
18:25
right.
18:25
I
18:25
think,
18:26
like
18:26
Adam,
18:28
we
18:28
know
18:29
that
18:29
the
18:29
canvas
18:31
of
18:31
our
18:31
existence
18:33
is
18:34
white
18:34
supremacy,
18:34
which
18:35
is
18:35
why
18:35
the
18:35
blues
18:35
had
18:36
to
18:36
emerge.
18:36
Which
18:36
is
18:37
why
18:37
the
18:37
blues
18:37
had
18:38
to
18:38
emerge.
18:40
And
18:40
what
18:40
we
18:41
see
18:41
happening
18:41
in
18:42
the
18:42
midst
18:42
of
18:42
culture
18:43
wars,
18:44
right,
18:44
is
18:45
we're
18:46
all
18:46
bleeding.
18:47
But
18:48
since
18:48
we're
18:48
in
18:48
Minneapolis,
18:51
I
18:51
want
18:51
to
18:51
say
18:51
purple
18:52
rains.
18:53
And
18:54
so
18:54
I'm
18:54
looking
18:54
at
18:55
Amy
18:55
on
18:55
the
18:55
front
18:55
row.
18:56
Thank
18:56
you
18:56
for
18:57
being
18:57
in
18:57
my
18:57
8th
18:58
Headquarters
18:58
sister
18:59
and
18:59
being
19:00
a
19:00
sister
19:00
from
19:00
another
19:01
mother
19:01
who's
19:01
given
19:01
me
19:03
a
19:03
little
19:03
of
19:03
inspiration.
19:04
And
19:04
Prince
19:05
says,
19:06
when
19:06
there's
19:07
blood
19:07
in
19:07
the
19:07
sky,
19:09
red
19:09
and
19:09
blue
19:11
equals
19:11
purple.
19:13
Purple
19:13
rain
19:14
pertains
19:15
to
19:15
the
19:15
end
19:16
of
19:16
the
19:16
world
19:18
and
19:18
being
19:18
with
19:19
the
19:19
one
19:19
you
19:19
love
19:20
and
19:21
letting
19:21
your
19:22
faith
19:23
and
19:23
your
19:24
God
19:24
guide
19:25
you.
19:27
And
19:28
so
19:29
while
19:30
Amy,
19:30
on
19:30
the
19:30
one
19:31
hand,
19:32
in
19:33
symbolism
19:33
of
19:34
putting
19:34
on
19:34
her
19:34
white
19:35
female
19:35
body,
19:36
right,
19:36
which
19:37
is
19:38
whiteness,
19:39
bleeding
19:40
as
19:40
a
19:40
woman.
19:42
Right.
19:43
Purple
19:44
rain
19:44
in
19:45
the
19:45
context
19:45
that
19:45
we're
19:46
in.
19:46
And
19:46
as
19:47
no
19:47
one
19:47
can
19:48
talk
19:48
about
19:50
being
19:50
black
19:50
is
19:50
to
19:51
be
19:51
blue
19:51
in
19:51
America
19:52
like
19:52
these
19:52
two
19:53
can,
19:54
what
19:54
Adam
19:55
says
19:55
is,
19:57
what
19:57
are
19:57
we
19:58
doing
19:58
here
19:59
on
20:00
the
20:00
canvas
20:00
of
20:01
white
20:01
supremacy
20:02
where
20:03
the
20:03
nation
20:04
is
20:04
trumping
20:05
all
20:05
of
20:05
our
20:05
individual
20:06
stories
20:07
to
20:08
say
20:08
what
20:09
reigns
20:09
supreme?
20:12
Who
20:12
is
20:12
the
20:13
God
20:13
that
20:13
we
20:13
serve?
20:15
And
20:16
what
20:16
do
20:16
we
20:16
love?
20:18
Kelly
20:19
nodded.
20:19
To
20:20
that
20:21
we
20:21
liter
20:22
have
20:22
to
20:22
say,
20:22
what
20:23
are
20:23
we
20:23
serving?
20:25
Are
20:25
we.
20:26
And
20:27
we'll
20:27
talk
20:27
about
20:27
this
20:27
later.
20:28
Pitch
20:29
or
20:29
the
20:29
keynote
20:30
later.
20:33
We're
20:34
all
20:34
going
20:34
through
20:34
altercations.
20:36
Where
20:36
are
20:36
the
20:37
altars
20:37
where
20:37
we're
20:37
worshiping?
20:39
Are
20:40
we
20:40
worshiping
20:41
a
20:41
God
20:42
that
20:42
transcends
20:43
our
20:43
limitations
20:45
and
20:45
will
20:45
transport
20:46
us
20:46
and
20:46
transform
20:47
us
20:47
to
20:47
where
20:48
we
20:48
need
20:48
to
20:48
go?
20:49
Or
20:49
are
20:49
we
20:49
serving
20:50
God
20:51
that
20:51
serve
20:51
us?
20:54
That
20:54
really
20:54
is
20:54
what
20:55
sinners
20:55
is
20:56
about.
20:57
You
20:57
have
20:57
a
20:57
brother
20:57
who's
20:58
wearing
20:58
red,
21:00
right?
21:02
Stack.
21:03
Stacking
21:04
it.
21:05
I'm
21:05
showing
21:05
the
21:06
26
21:06
years.
21:07
Stacking
21:07
it.
21:08
But
21:09
as
21:09
I'm
21:10
branding
21:10
these
21:11
diamonds,
21:13
generations
21:15
of
21:15
women
21:16
have
21:16
died.
21:17
So
21:17
my
21:17
husband
21:18
could
21:18
say,
21:19
for
21:20
love
21:20
of
21:20
25
21:21
years
21:21
and
21:22
you're
21:22
late,
21:23
here's
21:23
your
21:23
stack.
21:26
Or
21:27
it's
21:27
a
21:27
smoke.
21:29
When
21:29
everything's
21:30
going
21:30
up
21:30
in
21:30
flames
21:32
and
21:32
the
21:32
church
21:33
wants
21:33
us
21:33
to
21:33
say,
21:34
let's
21:34
consider
21:34
this
21:35
incense
21:36
rather
21:37
than
21:37
burning
21:37
flesh.
21:41
Exactly.
21:44
And
21:44
that
21:44
is
21:45
why
21:45
we
21:45
don't
21:45
need
21:46
to
21:46
take
21:46
this.
21:47
Show
21:47
me
21:47
your
21:48
tag.
21:49
Because
21:50
you
21:50
just
21:50
cursed.
21:50
I'm
21:51
Baptist.
21:51
Happier.
21:52
I
21:52
can't
21:52
see.
21:53
Jeff
21:54
said,
21:54
damn.
21:54
I
21:54
didn't
21:55
say
21:55
it.
21:55
I'm
21:55
quoting
21:55
it.
21:58
That
21:58
is
21:58
why
21:58
Martin
21:59
Luther
21:59
King,
21:59
way
22:00
before
22:00
Jeremiah
22:00
Wright
22:01
said
22:01
anything
22:03
said
22:03
while
22:04
America
22:04
may
22:05
very
22:05
well
22:05
go
22:05
to
22:06
hell.
22:07
Yeah.
22:08
From
22:09
the
22:09
pulpit
22:10
from
22:10
which
22:11
you
22:11
memorialize
22:12
your
22:12
mentor,
22:14
James
22:15
cone,
22:17
that
22:17
we
22:17
really
22:17
need
22:18
to
22:18
understand
22:19
what
22:20
is
22:20
the
22:20
God
22:20
that
22:21
we
22:21
are
22:22
serving
22:24
and
22:24
is
22:24
it
22:24
a
22:24
what
22:24
or
22:25
is
22:25
it
22:25
a
22:25
who?
22:26
But
22:26
as
22:26
an
22:26
episode,
22:27
we
22:27
say,
22:27
how
22:28
you
22:28
are
22:28
living
22:29
it
22:29
out
22:30
reveals
22:31
it.
22:32
And
22:32
so
22:32
I
22:33
think
22:33
Purple
22:33
rains.
22:34
I
22:34
really
22:34
think
22:35
we
22:35
are
22:35
in
22:35
a
22:35
blues
22:36
moment.
22:37
Kelly
22:38
and
22:38
I
22:38
are
22:38
supposed
22:38
to
22:38
be
22:38
somewhere
22:39
else.
22:39
And
22:39
that
22:40
we
22:41
commiserated
22:41
this
22:41
morning
22:42
because
22:42
there
22:43
are
22:43
people
22:44
in
22:44
D.C.
22:45
who
22:45
are
22:45
talking
22:45
negatively
22:46
about
22:46
us
22:47
because
22:47
they
22:48
wanted
22:48
us
22:48
to
22:48
be
22:48
around
22:50
where
22:50
purple's
22:51
reigning
22:51
as
22:51
womanist.
22:53
And
22:53
they're
22:53
like,
22:53
what
22:53
are
22:53
you
22:54
doing?
22:54
Oh,
22:55
so
22:55
y'
22:55
all
22:55
really
22:56
rather
22:56
be
22:56
with
22:56
a
22:56
white
22:56
dude?
22:58
And
22:58
I
22:59
said,
22:59
no,
22:59
they
22:59
just
23:00
organized
23:00
earlier
23:03
and
23:03
they're
23:03
paying
23:03
us
23:04
a
23:04
lot
23:04
less.
23:07
Let's
23:07
be
23:07
very
23:07
clear.
23:11
But
23:11
the
23:11
issue
23:12
is
23:13
we're
23:14
in
23:15
different
23:15
forms,
23:16
in
23:16
different
23:16
bodies,
23:17
same
23:18
canvas.
23:19
But
23:20
what
23:20
really
23:20
is
23:20
going
23:21
to
23:21
save
23:21
us
23:21
is
23:22
salvation.
23:22
That
23:23
which
23:23
serves
23:23
us.
23:25
Or
23:25
is
23:25
that
23:26
which.
23:26
Or
23:26
is
23:27
it
23:27
that
23:27
which
23:27
saves
23:28
us
23:30
on
23:30
this
23:30
canvas
23:32
of
23:32
white
23:32
supremacy
23:33
that
23:34
is
23:34
reigning
23:34
supreme?
23:36
We're
23:36
singing
23:36
the
23:36
blues
23:38
and
23:38
we're
23:38
bleeding
23:39
to
23:39
death.
23:40
Right.
23:40
Yeah.
23:41
Well,
23:42
I
23:42
want
23:42
to
23:43
lift
23:43
up,
23:44
you
23:44
know,
23:44
especially
23:45
in.
23:45
In
23:46
juxtaposition.
23:46
Right.
23:47
We
23:47
talked
23:47
about
23:47
the
23:48
sin,
23:48
but
23:48
where
23:48
is
23:48
the
23:49
salvation
23:49
or
23:49
the
23:50
saving
23:50
grace?
23:50
And
23:51
I
23:51
think
23:51
on
23:51
the.
23:52
The
23:52
twin
23:52
axes
23:53
that
23:54
each
23:54
of
23:54
US
23:54
has
23:54
touched
23:55
on
23:55
Blues
23:56
and
23:56
Hoodoo.
23:57
Right.
23:57
Within
23:58
the.
23:58
Within
23:58
the
23:59
movie.
23:59
Right.
23:59
And
24:00
so
24:00
I
24:01
think
24:01
we
24:01
can't.
24:03
Are
24:03
as
24:04
much
24:04
as
24:04
I
24:04
love
24:05
Michael.
24:05
Who
24:05
do
24:06
differently
24:06
as
24:06
Ephesus,
24:07
who
24:07
do
24:07
is
24:08
wh
24:09
D.
24:10
O.
24:11
Okay.
24:12
Right.
24:12
So
24:13
I
24:13
mean
24:13
that.
24:13
Who
24:14
do
24:14
what
24:14
you
24:14
do.
24:14
Okay.
24:15
All
24:15
right.
24:16
And
24:16
we
24:16
talked
24:16
about
24:16
that
24:17
yesterday.
24:17
It's
24:17
really
24:17
interesting
24:19
to
24:19
be
24:20
curious
24:20
about
24:21
other
24:21
people's
24:21
stories
24:23
and.
24:23
But
24:23
buttering
24:24
our
24:24
daily
24:24
bread
24:25
with
24:25
other
24:25
people's
24:26
pain.
24:27
And
24:27
as
24:28
Ephesus,
24:29
it's
24:29
really
24:30
important
24:30
that
24:31
Hoodoo
24:31
is
24:31
not
24:32
the
24:33
exoticism
24:34
city
24:34
O.
24:35
Okay.
24:36
The
24:37
freaky
24:37
stuff,
24:37
other
24:37
people.
24:38
But
24:38
it's
24:39
about
24:39
the
24:39
agency
24:39
or
24:40
who
24:40
are
24:40
you
24:41
and
24:41
what
24:41
are
24:41
you
24:42
doing.
24:42
And
24:42
if.
24:43
If
24:43
you
24:43
can't
24:43
say
24:44
that,
24:45
don't
24:45
come
24:45
to
24:45
the
24:45
party
24:46
and
24:46
don't
24:46
open
24:46
up
24:47
your
24:47
mouth.
24:47
So
24:48
to
24:48
that
24:48
point,
24:49
I
24:49
would
24:49
say
24:50
that
24:51
as
24:51
much
24:52
as
24:52
I
24:52
love
24:53
and
24:53
adore
24:53
Michael
24:54
B.
24:54
Jordan's
24:54
presentation
24:55
of
24:55
the
24:55
Twins.
24:56
Right.
24:56
Smoking
24:56
stack.
24:57
Right.
24:58
We
24:58
do
24:58
ourselves
24:59
a
24:59
disservice
24:59
if
25:00
we
25:00
ignore
25:00
the
25:00
centrality
25:01
and
25:01
the
25:01
importance
25:01
of
25:02
Annie
25:02
as
25:03
the
25:03
quote,
25:03
unquote,
25:03
hoodoo
25:04
woman.
25:04
Right.
25:05
And
25:05
then
25:05
also
25:06
Preacher
25:06
boy
25:06
Sammy
25:07
as
25:07
the
25:07
blues
25:08
man.
25:08
Right.
25:08
Even
25:08
above
25:09
and
25:09
beyond
25:09
Delta
25:10
Slim.
25:10
Right.
25:11
So
25:11
to
25:11
Annie.
25:13
And
25:13
I'm
25:14
so
25:14
eternally
25:14
grateful
25:15
for
25:15
Kelly
25:16
bringing
25:17
Yvonne
25:18
Shereau
25:18
into
25:18
this
25:18
conversation.
25:19
And
25:19
if
25:20
you
25:20
want
25:20
to
25:20
do
25:20
a
25:20
deeper
25:21
dive
25:21
on
25:22
what
25:23
Shereau's
25:24
insight
25:24
was,
25:25
pick
25:25
up
25:25
her
25:25
book
25:26
Black
25:26
Magic
25:27
on
25:27
conjure
25:28
and
25:29
American
25:30
Religion.
25:31
Because
25:32
in
25:32
that
25:32
text,
25:33
she's
25:33
wrestling
25:34
with,
25:35
in
25:35
so
25:35
many
25:35
regards,
25:36
a
25:36
kind
25:36
of
25:37
combination
25:38
or
25:38
cross
25:39
talk,
25:39
if
25:39
you
25:39
will
25:40
pardon
25:40
the
25:40
pun,
25:41
between
25:43
the
25:43
works
25:43
of
25:44
folks
25:44
like
25:45
James
25:45
cone
25:46
and
25:46
her
25:47
own
25:47
mentor,
25:48
Albert
25:48
Rabito,
25:49
the
25:50
late
25:50
great
25:50
historian
25:51
and
25:51
author
25:51
of
25:51
Slave
25:52
Religion.
25:53
And
25:54
Charles
25:54
Long,
25:55
who
25:56
hopefully,
25:56
if
25:56
you
25:56
don't
25:57
know,
25:57
you
25:57
need
25:57
to
25:57
know
25:58
his
25:59
masterwork
26:00
Significations
26:01
and
26:01
trying
26:02
to
26:02
talk
26:02
about.
26:03
All
26:03
right,
26:03
what
26:03
is
26:04
this
26:05
religion
26:05
that
26:05
we
26:05
brought
26:06
with
26:06
us,
26:07
right.
26:07
You
26:07
know,
26:08
to
26:08
quote
26:08
Delta
26:08
Slim
26:09
in
26:09
the
26:09
movie.
26:09
Right.
26:10
Part
26:10
of
26:11
that
26:11
is
26:11
the
26:11
blues.
26:11
But
26:12
who
26:12
do.
26:12
And
26:13
so
26:13
I
26:13
want
26:13
to
26:13
lift
26:13
up
26:13
just
26:14
quickly
26:14
a
26:15
passage
26:15
out
26:15
of
26:15
Rabato's
26:16
book
26:16
early
26:17
on
26:17
in
26:17
the
26:17
text.
26:19
If.
26:19
If
26:19
I
26:20
were
26:20
a
26:20
betting
26:20
man,
26:20
I'd
26:21
say
26:21
it
26:21
was
26:21
around
26:21
page
26:22
25
26:22
or
26:22
26.
26:23
But
26:23
don't
26:23
hold
26:23
me
26:23
to
26:23
it.
26:24
He
26:25
talks
26:25
about
26:26
this
26:26
thing.
26:27
Kelly
26:28
just
26:28
referenced
26:28
syncretism.
26:29
And
26:30
he
26:30
says
26:30
that,
26:31
okay,
26:32
in
26:32
the
26:33
transition
26:33
across
26:33
the
26:34
Atlantic,
26:34
across
26:34
the
26:35
Middle
26:35
Passage,
26:36
right?
26:36
When
26:37
the
26:37
Africans
26:38
were
26:38
now
26:38
introduced
26:39
to
26:40
the
26:40
Christian
26:41
church,
26:41
Catholicism,
26:42
and
26:42
they
26:43
were
26:43
dealing
26:43
with
26:43
these.
26:44
These
26:44
Catholic
26:45
icons
26:45
and
26:46
saints,
26:46
but
26:47
then
26:47
also
26:47
bringing
26:48
the
26:48
gods
26:48
of
26:49
the
26:49
old
26:49
world
26:49
with
26:50
them.
26:50
Right?
26:52
It
26:53
was
26:53
a
26:53
Strategic
26:54
choice
26:55
to
26:55
say
26:56
to
26:56
mix
26:56
the
26:57
church
26:57
house
26:57
and
26:57
the
26:58
praise
26:58
house,
26:59
Right?
26:59
Because
27:00
it's
27:00
better
27:00
to
27:00
have
27:01
two
27:01
magics
27:01
or
27:02
two
27:03
spiritualities
27:04
working
27:04
for
27:04
you
27:05
than
27:05
any
27:06
of
27:06
them
27:06
working
27:06
against
27:06
you,
27:07
right.
27:08
At
27:09
all
27:09
points
27:09
in
27:09
time.
27:10
Then
27:10
what
27:10
you
27:10
see
27:11
with
27:11
Annie
27:12
when
27:12
she's
27:12
confronting
27:13
smoke
27:13
and
27:14
her
27:14
little
27:15
shack,
27:16
how
27:16
you
27:16
don't
27:17
know
27:17
that
27:18
all
27:18
the
27:18
root
27:18
I
27:19
was
27:19
taught,
27:19
now
27:19
I've
27:20
been
27:20
working,
27:20
I've
27:21
been
27:21
praying
27:21
for
27:21
you,
27:22
that
27:22
you
27:22
and
27:22
your
27:23
crazy
27:23
brother
27:24
would
27:24
make
27:24
it
27:25
through
27:25
this
27:25
world
27:25
and
27:26
be
27:26
in
27:27
one
27:27
piece,
27:28
right?
27:29
For
27:29
people
27:29
who
27:30
are
27:30
caught
27:31
up
27:31
in
27:31
the
27:32
power
27:32
of
27:32
white
27:33
supremacy
27:33
and
27:34
all
27:34
its
27:34
destructive
27:35
forces
27:35
in
27:36
modernity
27:37
to
27:37
yet
27:37
and
27:38
still
27:38
survive
27:38
and
27:39
thrive
27:40
ain't
27:40
nothing
27:41
but
27:42
tapping
27:42
into
27:42
supernatural
27:43
powers,
27:44
right?
27:45
And
27:45
so
27:45
I
27:45
think
27:45
that's
27:45
why
27:46
Annie
27:47
is
27:47
so
27:47
pivotal
27:47
to
27:47
the
27:48
film
27:48
and
27:48
then
27:49
with
27:49
the
27:49
blues.
27:50
And
27:50
I
27:50
just
27:50
gotta
27:50
say
27:51
this
27:51
up
27:51
front
27:51
as
27:52
a
27:52
Gen
27:52
Xer.
27:52
All
27:53
right.
27:53
Any
27:53
Gen
27:53
X
27:54
folks
27:54
in
27:54
the
27:54
house.
27:54
Woo.
27:55
Lift
27:56
it
27:56
up
27:56
while
27:56
we
27:56
still
27:56
can.
27:59
Okay?
28:00
All
28:01
right.
28:01
Hopefully
28:01
arthritis
28:02
hasn't
28:02
set
28:02
in
28:02
too
28:03
fast.
28:04
But
28:04
the
28:04
idea
28:05
that,
28:05
at
28:06
least
28:06
for
28:06
me,
28:07
the
28:07
idea
28:08
that
28:08
the
28:08
blues
28:08
had
28:09
fallen
28:09
into,
28:09
in
28:10
many
28:10
cases,
28:10
either
28:11
cliche
28:11
or
28:11
self
28:12
parody,
28:12
right?
28:13
It
28:13
wasn't
28:14
a
28:14
lively
28:15
or
28:15
thriving
28:16
music
28:16
for
28:16
my
28:17
generation,
28:17
right?
28:18
And
28:19
so
28:19
to
28:19
have
28:19
a
28:20
film
28:20
that
28:21
put
28:21
blues
28:22
in
28:22
a
28:23
space
28:23
where
28:23
it
28:24
could
28:24
be
28:25
sacred,
28:25
but
28:26
it
28:26
could
28:26
also
28:26
be
28:26
sexy,
28:27
it
28:27
could
28:27
also
28:28
be
28:28
dangerous,
28:29
right?
28:29
It
28:30
could
28:30
also
28:30
be
28:30
not
28:31
just
28:31
desire,
28:31
desirable
28:32
in
28:32
terms
28:32
of
28:33
commodification,
28:35
but
28:35
also
28:36
for
28:36
healing
28:38
that
28:38
when,
28:38
you
28:39
know,
28:39
especially
28:39
in
28:40
that
28:40
car
28:40
ride
28:40
with
28:41
Smoke,
28:42
Sorry
28:43
Stack
28:43
and
28:44
Delta
28:44
Slim
28:45
and
28:45
Sammy
28:45
and
28:46
they
28:46
pass
28:47
by
28:47
the
28:47
prison
28:48
chain
28:48
gang
28:50
and
28:50
the
28:50
idea
28:51
that
28:51
even
28:51
there,
28:52
the
28:52
blues
28:53
in
28:53
the
28:53
midst
28:53
of
28:54
just
28:54
clear,
28:55
raw,
28:55
uncut
28:56
oppression,
28:57
right?
28:57
The
28:57
blues
28:58
had
28:58
some
28:59
Catholic,
28:59
cathartic,
29:00
some
29:00
somewhat
29:01
healing
29:01
or
29:02
empowering
29:03
essence
29:03
to
29:03
it,
29:04
even
29:04
in
29:04
the
29:04
midst
29:04
of
29:05
those
29:05
spaces.
29:06
So
29:08
I'm
29:08
thankful
29:08
for
29:09
nothing
29:09
else
29:09
that
29:10
a
29:10
reclamation
29:11
and
29:11
a
29:11
redemption
29:11
even
29:12
of
29:12
the
29:12
blues
29:13
and
29:13
we
29:13
can
29:13
dismiss
29:14
it
29:14
as
29:14
the
29:14
devil's
29:14
music,
29:15
but
29:15
that
29:16
there,
29:16
there
29:16
was
29:16
even
29:16
some
29:17
healing
29:17
or,
29:17
or
29:18
some
29:18
hope
29:19
within
29:19
the
29:19
blues.
29:19
And
29:20
I'll
29:20
stop
29:20
there.
29:21
And
29:22
more,
29:22
more
29:22
on
29:22
the
29:22
blues.
29:23
If
29:24
you
29:24
want
29:24
to
29:24
know
29:24
more
29:25
on
29:25
the
29:25
blues,
29:25
you
29:25
got
29:25
to
29:25
check
29:26
out
29:26
this
29:26
book,
29:27
Black
29:27
Bodies
29:27
and
29:28
Black
29:28
Church
29:28
by
29:28
Dr.
29:29
Kelly
29:29
Brown
29:29
Douglas.
29:32
Right
29:33
there.
29:33
I
29:33
really
29:34
want
29:34
to
29:34
say
29:34
that.
29:34
But
29:35
what
29:35
they're
29:35
calling
29:35
syncretism,
29:36
I
29:36
would
29:36
probably
29:38
frame
29:38
it
29:39
as
29:39
multiple
29:39
religious
29:40
participation,
29:41
right?
29:41
Like,
29:42
I
29:42
think
29:42
it
29:42
does
29:42
a
29:42
good
29:43
job
29:43
of
29:43
framing
29:44
black
29:44
spirituality
29:45
as
29:45
is
29:46
multiple
29:46
or
29:46
multiple
29:47
belongings.
29:48
Where
29:48
you
29:48
see,
29:49
like
29:49
the
29:49
hoodoo,
29:50
you
29:50
see
29:51
the
29:51
Christian
29:51
participation
29:52
and
29:52
blues
29:53
as
29:53
a.
29:54
In.
29:54
As
29:54
a
29:54
distinctive
29:56
religious
29:56
tradition,
29:57
right?
29:58
And
29:58
I
29:58
think
29:58
that's
29:58
where
29:59
cone
29:59
and
30:00
Dr.
30:00
Kelly
30:01
Brown
30:01
Douglas
30:02
kind
30:02
of
30:03
continues
30:03
with
30:04
that
30:04
is
30:06
revaluing
30:07
the
30:08
blues
30:08
as.
30:08
Not
30:09
as
30:09
something
30:09
demonic
30:10
or
30:10
the
30:10
devil
30:10
music
30:11
or
30:11
something
30:11
outside
30:11
of
30:12
church,
30:12
but
30:12
as
30:13
a
30:13
spiritual
30:13
alternative.
30:14
Right.
30:15
A
30:15
vehicle
30:16
for
30:16
transcendence.
30:17
Right.
30:17
Where
30:18
the
30:18
juke
30:18
joy
30:19
get.
30:19
Turns
30:19
into
30:19
a
30:19
sanctuary.
30:21
And
30:21
you
30:21
have
30:22
like
30:22
two
30:22
churches,
30:22
right.
30:23
You
30:23
have
30:23
the
30:23
kind
30:23
of
30:23
the
30:23
official
30:24
institutional
30:24
church,
30:24
but
30:25
you
30:25
also.
30:25
Also
30:25
have
30:26
this
30:26
type
30:26
of
30:27
vehicle
30:27
for
30:27
transcendence
30:28
as
30:28
the
30:28
juke
30:28
joint,
30:29
where
30:30
the
30:30
theological
30:30
question
30:31
is,
30:31
how
30:31
does
30:32
one
30:32
meet
30:32
God?
30:33
And
30:33
meet.
30:34
And
30:34
you
30:34
can
30:34
meet
30:35
God
30:35
on
30:35
multiple
30:36
groundings
30:37
and
30:37
not
30:37
just
30:38
in,
30:38
like,
30:38
Christian
30:40
liturgy.
30:41
Right.
30:41
And
30:42
you
30:42
have.
30:42
So
30:42
you.
30:43
So
30:43
it's
30:43
like
30:43
a
30:43
re.
30:44
Canonization
30:46
of
30:47
black
30:48
spirituality
30:49
to
30:49
kind
30:50
of
30:50
go
30:50
outside
30:51
of.
30:51
This
30:51
is
30:51
why
30:52
black
30:52
theology
30:52
becomes
30:53
so
30:53
important.
30:53
Because
30:53
if
30:54
you
30:54
look
30:54
at
30:54
traditional,
30:54
traditional
30:55
Christian
30:56
theology,
30:56
you
30:57
cannot
30:57
properly
30:58
understand
30:58
that
30:59
movie.
30:59
Right.
31:00
You
31:00
have
31:00
to
31:00
break
31:01
open
31:01
those
31:01
categories
31:02
and
31:03
invent
31:03
new
31:04
categories.
31:04
And
31:04
what
31:04
we
31:05
talked
31:05
about
31:05
yesterday
31:06
with
31:06
how
31:07
liberation
31:07
tradition
31:08
has
31:09
broken
31:09
open
31:09
these
31:10
type
31:10
of
31:10
traditional
31:11
categories
31:12
and
31:12
kind
31:12
of
31:12
either
31:14
dilated,
31:15
expanded
31:15
or
31:16
even
31:17
innovated
31:17
new
31:18
categories
31:19
for
31:19
theological
31:20
understanding.
31:21
And
31:21
this
31:21
movie
31:22
is
31:22
a
31:22
great
31:24
example
31:24
of
31:25
how
31:25
they
31:25
could
31:25
be
31:25
remade
31:26
by
31:26
looking
31:27
at
31:27
the
31:27
blues
31:27
tradition
31:28
and
31:29
understanding
31:29
that
31:29
not
31:30
just
31:30
as
31:30
a
31:31
aesthetic
31:32
but
31:32
as
31:32
a
31:32
theological
31:33
tradition.
31:34
Right.
31:35
Yeah.
31:35
Let
31:35
me
31:36
say
31:36
a
31:36
couple
31:37
of
31:37
things
31:38
briefly,
31:39
building
31:40
on
31:40
what
31:41
was
31:41
said.
31:41
But
31:41
first,
31:41
let
31:42
me
31:42
say
31:43
when
31:43
people
31:44
continue
31:44
to
31:44
reference
31:45
you
31:45
and
31:45
reference
31:45
your
31:46
books,
31:46
for
31:46
which
31:46
I
31:46
am
31:47
humbled,
31:47
but
31:48
that
31:48
also
31:48
means
31:49
you're
31:49
old.
31:53
That
31:53
means
31:54
you
31:54
had
31:54
something
31:54
worth
31:55
noting.
31:56
There
31:56
you
31:56
go.
31:56
There
31:57
you.
31:59
No,
31:59
no,
32:00
I
32:00
told
32:00
you.
32:00
She
32:01
made
32:01
deals
32:01
with
32:01
the
32:01
devil.
32:04
They
32:04
could
32:05
deal
32:05
with
32:05
those.
32:07
But
32:07
the
32:08
juke
32:08
joint
32:09
and
32:09
the
32:09
church,
32:10
and.
32:10
And
32:10
you're
32:11
bringing
32:11
up
32:11
Albert
32:12
Rabito
32:12
and
32:13
Albert
32:13
Rabito's
32:14
book,
32:14
Slave
32:14
Religion,
32:15
the
32:15
Invisible
32:15
Institution.
32:16
Yeah,
32:17
that's
32:17
a
32:17
book
32:18
worth
32:19
getting.
32:19
Yeah,
32:20
I
32:20
mean,
32:20
that's.
32:20
That.
32:21
That.
32:21
That's
32:21
the
32:21
book
32:22
that
32:22
reframed
32:23
for
32:24
many
32:24
in
32:25
the
32:25
academy
32:25
and
32:26
gave
32:26
a
32:27
platform
32:27
for
32:27
many
32:28
of
32:28
us
32:28
to
32:28
really
32:28
begin
32:29
to
32:29
talk
32:30
about
32:30
black
32:30
faith.
32:32
What
32:32
I
32:33
want
32:33
to
32:33
point
32:33
out,
32:34
though,
32:34
one
32:34
of
32:34
the
32:34
things
32:35
as
32:35
we
32:35
think
32:35
about
32:35
the
32:36
juke
32:36
joint
32:36
and
32:36
as
32:37
we
32:37
think
32:37
about
32:37
the
32:37
black
32:37
church,
32:38
even
32:38
as
32:38
we
32:38
see
32:38
it
32:39
in
32:39
this
32:39
movie,
32:41
and
32:41
it,
32:42
to
32:42
me,
32:42
is
32:42
reflective
32:43
of
32:43
the
32:43
history
32:44
of
32:44
the
32:44
relationship
32:45
in
32:45
many
32:45
ways
32:45
between
32:45
the
32:46
juke
32:46
joint
32:47
and
32:47
the
32:47
black
32:47
church.
32:48
The
32:48
juke
32:48
joint
32:49
becomes
32:49
the
32:49
invisible
32:50
institution
32:50
to
32:50
the
32:50
black
32:51
church,
32:51
that
32:52
the
32:52
invisible
32:52
institution
32:53
was
32:53
to
32:53
the
32:53
white
32:54
church
32:55
antebellum
32:56
periods.
32:56
Because
32:57
what
32:58
the
32:58
invisible
32:59
institution
32:59
did
32:59
for
33:00
black
33:00
people
33:00
during
33:01
slavery,
33:01
right.
33:02
Was
33:02
saying,
33:02
no,
33:02
you
33:03
know,
33:04
that
33:04
ain't
33:04
God.
33:05
God
33:05
and
33:05
Jesus
33:06
more
33:06
Than
33:06
that.
33:07
And
33:07
so
33:08
they.
33:09
What
33:09
we
33:09
want
33:10
to
33:10
say
33:10
is
33:10
that
33:10
they
33:10
kept
33:11
Christianity
33:11
alive,
33:12
right?
33:14
It's
33:14
not
33:14
an
33:15
alternative.
33:15
The
33:16
alternative
33:16
was
33:16
whatever
33:17
the
33:17
slaveholder
33:18
folks
33:18
were
33:18
doing,
33:19
that
33:20
wasn't
33:20
Christianity.
33:21
And
33:21
so
33:22
if
33:22
we
33:22
want
33:22
to
33:22
think,
33:23
even
33:23
sort
33:24
of
33:24
symbolically,
33:25
as
33:25
we
33:25
talked
33:25
about,
33:26
or
33:26
I
33:26
talked
33:26
about
33:26
yesterday,
33:27
black
33:27
people
33:27
keeping
33:28
the
33:28
vision
33:29
for
33:29
democracy
33:30
alive
33:30
in
33:30
their
33:31
struggles,
33:31
the
33:32
invisible
33:33
institution
33:33
kept
33:33
the
33:34
vision
33:34
of
33:34
Christianity
33:35
alive.
33:36
And
33:37
in
33:37
this
33:38
regard,
33:38
the
33:38
juke
33:39
joint,
33:39
that
33:39
is
33:39
always
33:39
sort
33:40
of
33:40
in
33:40
the
33:40
hush
33:40
harbors,
33:41
right?
33:41
The
33:41
juke
33:42
joint's
33:42
always
33:42
somewhere
33:43
in
33:43
the
33:43
backwoods,
33:44
as
33:44
it
33:44
was
33:44
in
33:44
this
33:45
film.
33:46
And
33:46
so
33:47
it's
33:47
in
33:47
the
33:47
hush
33:47
harbors.
33:48
The
33:48
juke
33:48
joint
33:49
is
33:49
responding
33:50
to
33:50
the
33:51
black
33:51
church.
33:51
And
33:51
it
33:52
is
33:52
keeping
33:53
that
33:53
black
33:53
faith
33:54
tradition
33:54
and
33:54
Christianity
33:55
alive
33:55
because
33:56
it
33:56
is
33:56
opening
33:57
up
33:57
and
33:57
saying
33:57
in
33:57
as
33:58
much
33:58
as
33:58
you
33:58
aren't
33:58
speaking
33:59
to
34:00
the
34:00
raw.
34:02
The
34:02
folks
34:02
who
34:02
live
34:02
on
34:03
the
34:03
raw
34:03
underside
34:04
of
34:04
black.
34:04
These
34:05
poor
34:05
black.
34:05
These
34:05
blues
34:06
people,
34:06
right?
34:07
And
34:07
the
34:07
blues
34:08
emerged
34:08
out
34:08
of
34:08
work
34:09
song.
34:09
So
34:09
it's
34:09
no
34:10
sort
34:10
of
34:11
accident
34:12
that
34:13
we
34:13
see
34:13
those
34:13
scenes.
34:14
And
34:14
so
34:15
the
34:15
juke
34:15
joint
34:16
is
34:16
essential
34:17
to
34:17
the
34:18
black
34:18
faith
34:18
tradition.
34:19
The
34:19
juke
34:19
joint
34:19
is
34:20
essential
34:21
to
34:21
black
34:22
theology.
34:22
Let
34:22
me
34:22
say
34:23
one
34:23
more
34:23
thing,
34:23
and
34:23
then
34:23
I'm
34:23
gonna.
34:24
No,
34:24
no,
34:24
no.
34:26
So
34:26
that's
34:27
that
34:27
dialectic,
34:28
you
34:28
know,
34:29
and
34:29
it
34:29
is
34:29
about
34:30
the
34:30
blues
34:31
tradition.
34:32
And
34:32
that
34:33
Thomas,
34:33
that
34:34
scene
34:34
at
34:34
the
34:34
end
34:35
becomes
34:35
so
34:35
important
34:36
because
34:36
without
34:36
it,
34:37
they
34:38
gotta
34:38
talk
34:38
to
34:38
each
34:39
other.
34:39
Because
34:40
it
34:40
is
34:40
the
34:40
richness
34:41
of
34:41
the
34:41
black
34:42
faith
34:42
tradition
34:43
in
34:43
all
34:43
of
34:44
its
34:44
multiple
34:44
belongings.
34:45
And
34:45
it
34:46
keeps
34:46
black
34:46
church
34:47
folks.
34:48
It
34:48
critiques
34:48
that
34:49
narrative
34:49
of
34:50
respectability
34:51
that
34:51
was
34:52
emerging
34:52
in
34:52
the
34:52
black
34:53
church
34:53
that
34:53
Gay
34:53
Rod
34:54
Wilmore
34:54
called
34:54
the
34:55
de
34:55
radicalization
34:56
of
34:56
the
34:56
black.
34:57
If
34:57
you
34:57
keep
34:57
singing
34:58
the
34:58
blues,
34:59
then
34:59
you
34:59
can
34:59
keep
34:59
real
35:00
black
35:00
faith
35:01
alive.
35:01
And
35:02
speaking
35:02
to
35:03
the
35:03
blues
35:04
blues
35:04
class
35:04
of
35:05
the
35:05
blues
35:05
people.
35:07
The
35:07
other
35:07
thing
35:07
I
35:08
want
35:08
to
35:08
say.
35:08
And
35:08
as
35:09
much
35:09
as.
35:09
And
35:09
then
35:09
I
35:10
really
35:10
am
35:10
going
35:10
to
35:10
shut
35:10
up.
35:12
I'm
35:12
Episcopalian
35:13
and
35:13
we
35:13
don't
35:14
talk
35:14
a
35:14
lot.
35:14
But
35:14
you
35:14
get
35:15
around
35:15
Baptist,
35:15
you
35:15
gotta
35:16
talk.
35:16
You
35:16
got
35:17
a
35:17
word
35:17
in
35:17
edgewise.
35:18
A
35:18
word
35:18
in
35:19
edgewise,
35:19
okay.
35:21
Even
35:22
if
35:22
only
35:22
to
35:22
make
35:23
sense.
35:25
But
35:25
I
35:25
tell
35:26
you,
35:26
they
35:26
bring
35:26
it
35:26
out
35:27
on
35:27
me.
35:27
But
35:30
the
35:31
supernatural,
35:32
yeah,
35:35
it
35:35
is
35:36
that.
35:36
And
35:36
not.
35:37
Because
35:38
what
35:38
it
35:38
does
35:38
from
35:39
the
35:39
very
35:39
beginning
35:40
in
35:40
this
35:40
film
35:41
with
35:41
the
35:41
twins
35:41
and
35:42
et
35:43
cetera,
35:44
is
35:44
that
35:44
we
35:45
see
35:46
the
35:46
realities
35:47
of
35:47
an
35:47
African
35:49
religious
35:49
tradition
35:50
and
35:50
an
35:51
African
35:51
sensibility,
35:52
particularly
35:52
West
35:52
African
35:53
traditions,
35:53
where
35:53
there
35:54
is
35:54
no
35:57
distinction
35:58
between
35:58
the
35:58
sacred
35:58
and
35:59
the
35:59
secular.
36:00
And
36:00
there
36:01
is
36:02
no
36:02
break
36:03
between
36:03
the
36:03
living
36:03
and
36:04
the
36:04
dead.
36:04
Right.
36:05
Life
36:05
is
36:05
circular.
36:07
Albert
36:08
Rabito
36:08
talks
36:09
about
36:09
that
36:09
as
36:09
well.
36:09
Yes,
36:10
most
36:10
definitely.
36:11
And
36:11
so
36:11
that
36:12
the
36:13
dead
36:14
are
36:14
always
36:15
engaging
36:16
in
36:16
life
36:16
with
36:17
the
36:17
living.
36:18
They
36:19
always
36:19
have
36:20
an
36:20
impact
36:20
on
36:21
the
36:21
living.
36:21
And
36:21
so
36:22
our
36:22
task
36:22
is,
36:23
how
36:23
do
36:23
we
36:23
relate
36:24
to
36:24
and
36:24
hear
36:25
those
36:26
voices?
36:26
They're
36:26
always
36:27
there.
36:27
They're
36:27
always
36:28
present.
36:28
And
36:28
so
36:29
the
36:29
black
36:29
quote,
36:30
unquote,
36:30
to
36:30
use
36:31
this
36:31
language.
36:32
So
36:32
does
36:32
it
36:32
bifurcate.
36:33
The
36:33
black
36:34
dead
36:34
in
36:34
this
36:35
film
36:36
aren't
36:36
sucking
36:37
life
36:37
like
36:37
the
36:37
white
36:38
dead.
36:38
They're
36:39
giving
36:39
life.
36:40
Whiteness,
36:41
as
36:41
you
36:41
said,
36:42
continues
36:42
to
36:43
suck
36:43
life.
36:44
And
36:44
so
36:45
what
36:45
happens
36:45
is,
36:46
in
36:46
as
36:46
much
36:46
as
36:47
you
36:47
were
36:47
in
36:47
tune
36:48
with
36:48
the
36:48
ancestors
36:49
because
36:49
there's
36:49
multiple
36:50
belongings,
36:50
right?
36:50
This
36:51
African
36:51
religious
36:52
heritage.
36:52
And
36:53
so.
36:53
And
36:53
they
36:53
are.
36:54
Even
36:56
the
36:56
baby,
36:57
the
36:57
twins
36:57
are
36:58
always
36:58
there,
36:59
you
36:59
know,
36:59
the
36:59
father.
37:00
They're
37:00
always.
37:01
They're
37:01
always
37:02
the
37:02
dead
37:02
has
37:03
an
37:03
impact
37:04
on
37:04
the
37:04
life
37:04
of
37:05
the
37:05
living.
37:06
And
37:06
that
37:06
in
37:06
that
37:06
last
37:07
scene,
37:07
they
37:07
come
37:08
back.
37:08
And
37:09
so.
37:09
And
37:09
it's
37:09
a
37:09
different
37:10
reality.
37:11
It's
37:11
a
37:11
different
37:12
reality.
37:12
They
37:13
aren't
37:13
vampirish.
37:14
The
37:14
black
37:15
dead.
37:15
And
37:16
correct
37:16
me
37:16
if
37:16
I'm
37:16
wrong,
37:17
the
37:17
black
37:17
dead
37:17
in
37:17
this
37:17
movie
37:18
aren't
37:18
vampires.
37:20
And
37:21
they're.
37:21
They're
37:21
giving
37:21
life.
37:22
The
37:22
ones
37:22
that
37:22
weren't
37:23
bit.
37:24
The
37:24
ones.
37:24
But
37:24
the
37:25
bit.
37:26
Yeah,
37:26
yeah,
37:26
yeah.
37:26
The
37:27
ones
37:27
that
37:27
invited
37:27
them
37:27
in
37:28
that.
37:28
Right,
37:29
right,
37:29
right,
37:29
right,
37:30
right,
37:30
right.
37:31
But,
37:31
yeah,
37:32
but,
37:32
but
37:32
that.
37:33
So
37:33
to
37:33
me,
37:33
again,
37:34
it's
37:35
like,
37:35
oh,
37:35
wow,
37:37
Yvonne
37:38
Charol
37:38
all
37:39
over.
37:39
Yes.
37:39
Perfect
37:40
relationship.
37:40
Because
37:41
it
37:41
is
37:41
pointing
37:42
to
37:42
the
37:42
way
37:43
in
37:43
which
37:43
we
37:44
know
37:44
and
37:44
we
37:44
know.
37:45
We.
37:45
We.
37:45
That's
37:46
black
37:46
culture.
37:47
The
37:47
you
37:47
pay
37:47
homage
37:48
to.
37:48
The
37:49
ancestors
37:49
are
37:50
there
37:50
always
37:51
there.
37:51
And.
37:52
And,
37:52
and
37:53
so
37:53
go
37:53
ahead.
37:53
The
37:54
ancestors
37:54
are
37:54
always
37:55
there.
37:55
No,
37:55
I
37:56
think
37:56
that's
37:56
the
37:56
thing.
37:56
And
37:57
I'm
37:57
looking
37:57
at
37:57
everybody
37:57
in
37:58
the
37:58
audience
37:58
because
37:59
this
37:59
audience
37:59
would
38:00
exist
38:00
nowhere
38:01
else
38:01
to
38:01
talk
38:01
about
38:01
this
38:02
movie.
38:05
And
38:05
so
38:05
to
38:05
Kelly's
38:06
point,
38:07
we
38:07
are
38:07
a
38:07
hush.
38:09
Ooh,
38:11
Beer
38:11
camp's
38:11
a
38:11
hush
38:12
harbor.
38:14
It's
38:14
gonna
38:14
be
38:14
a
38:14
hashtag.
38:16
I'm
38:16
swimming.
38:17
So
38:17
what
38:17
is
38:17
the.
38:17
What's
38:18
the
38:18
theology
38:18
beer
38:18
camp
38:20
now,
38:20
from
38:20
our
38:21
sensibilities,
38:22
even
38:22
black
38:22
Episcopalian.
38:24
This
38:24
is
38:24
sin.
38:26
Yeah.
38:27
I
38:27
mean,
38:27
you
38:27
know,
38:28
you
38:28
get
38:28
cursed
38:28
to
38:29
drink
38:29
beer
38:29
and
38:29
eat
38:29
popcorn.
38:30
The
38:30
popcorn
38:33
decadent.
38:35
Well,
38:35
Episcopalians
38:36
do
38:36
that.
38:39
Popcorn.
38:40
What
38:40
are
38:40
we
38:40
doing?
38:40
I
38:40
asked
38:41
my
38:41
hus.
38:41
Happened
38:41
last
38:41
night.
38:42
I
38:42
said
38:42
it's
38:42
not
38:42
going
38:42
to
38:42
end
38:43
till
38:43
6.
38:43
Aren't
38:43
they
38:43
having
38:44
church
38:44
in
38:44
the
38:44
morning?
38:45
How
38:45
are
38:45
they
38:45
going
38:46
to
38:46
get
38:46
things
38:46
together
38:46
for
38:47
church?
38:49
Right?
38:49
Because
38:50
timing
38:51
matters.
38:52
The
38:53
beer
38:53
camp
38:54
is
38:55
an
38:55
invisible
38:56
institution.
38:58
It
38:58
is
38:59
a
38:59
hush
39:00
harbor.
39:01
It
39:01
is
39:02
a
39:02
brush
39:02
arbor.
39:03
We
39:04
are
39:04
risking
39:06
privilege
39:08
and
39:08
protection
39:09
by
39:10
assembling
39:10
ourselves
39:11
together
39:13
right
39:13
under
39:14
the
39:14
cloisters
39:15
of
39:15
institutions
39:16
that
39:16
are
39:17
zesty.
39:19
Right.
39:21
I
39:21
got
39:21
my
39:21
Vanderbilt
39:22
Sister
39:22
in
39:22
the
39:22
back
39:23
and
39:23
she's
39:23
wearing
39:23
camo.
39:27
Right.
39:28
I
39:28
mean,
39:28
I
39:29
want
39:29
you
39:29
to
39:29
think
39:29
about
39:29
that.
39:30
But
39:31
what
39:31
people
39:31
might.
39:31
So
39:32
you're
39:32
like,
39:33
we're
39:33
interested
39:33
in
39:33
what
39:34
the
39:34
black
39:34
people
39:34
are
39:34
saying
39:34
about,
39:35
you
39:35
know,
39:35
sinners,
39:35
which
39:36
is
39:36
kind
39:36
of
39:36
sexy.
39:37
And
39:37
black
39:38
people
39:38
are
39:38
sexy.
39:38
But
39:39
we
39:39
want.
39:43
The
39:44
beer.
39:44
Camp
39:44
is
39:45
a
39:45
hush
39:45
harbor,
39:48
and
39:49
we're
39:49
all
39:49
sinners
39:51
saved
39:52
by.
39:53
Not
39:53
grapes.
39:55
But
39:55
in
39:56
this
39:56
story,
39:56
Annie
39:58
and
39:58
Mary.
39:59
Yeah,
40:00
forget
40:00
about
40:00
Mary.
40:01
Yeah.
40:01
Now,
40:02
what
40:02
you
40:02
don't
40:03
understand
40:03
about
40:03
the
40:03
movie.
40:04
How
40:04
many
40:04
people
40:05
saw
40:05
the
40:05
movie
40:06
Hands.
40:06
Oh,
40:07
watch
40:07
it
40:07
again.
40:09
Because
40:09
what
40:10
you
40:10
don't
40:10
understand,
40:11
and
40:11
it
40:11
takes
40:12
people
40:12
maybe
40:13
of
40:13
Adam's
40:14
hue
40:15
and
40:15
not
40:16
the
40:16
rest
40:16
of
40:16
us,
40:16
to
40:16
the
40:17
east
40:17
of
40:18
blackness.
40:19
What
40:19
do
40:19
black
40:20
people
40:20
do
40:20
when
40:21
black
40:21
children
40:21
are
40:22
born
40:22
and
40:22
you
40:23
don't
40:23
know
40:23
who
40:23
the
40:23
parent.
40:23
You
40:24
look
40:24
at
40:24
their
40:24
ears,
40:24
right?
40:25
Ears.
40:27
Yeah,
40:27
yeah.
40:28
Remick.
40:30
Y'
40:30
all
40:30
know
40:31
who
40:31
Remick
40:31
is?
40:31
Oh,
40:32
yeah,
40:32
yeah,
40:32
yeah.
40:32
The
40:32
white
40:33
guy.
40:34
Yeah.
40:35
He's
40:35
biracial.
40:39
He's
40:39
passing.
40:40
And
40:41
the
40:41
only
40:41
reason,
40:41
you
40:41
know,
40:42
Mary's
40:42
passing
40:43
is
40:43
why?
40:44
Cause
40:44
she's
40:44
sexy.
40:45
Yeah.
40:46
And
40:46
she
40:46
wants
40:46
a
40:47
black
40:47
man.
40:48
And
40:48
they
40:48
have.
40:49
And
40:50
they've
40:50
come
40:50
to
40:50
consensus
40:52
that
40:52
passing
40:53
was
40:53
happening.
40:54
When
40:54
do
40:55
you
40:55
know
40:55
Remick
40:56
is
40:56
passing?
40:58
I
40:58
just
40:58
learned
40:59
that.
40:59
I
40:59
thought
40:59
he's
40:59
Irish.
41:01
And
41:01
what
41:01
do
41:01
you
41:01
know
41:01
about
41:01
Irish
41:02
people?
41:03
But
41:04
besides
41:04
documents
41:05
of
41:05
Norman
41:05
colonize.
41:06
Colonize,
41:07
where
41:08
the
41:08
saying
41:08
used
41:09
to
41:09
be,
41:09
if
41:10
every
41:10
Irishman
41:11
would
41:11
hang
41:11
a
41:11
nigger
41:12
and
41:12
be
41:12
killed
41:12
for
41:13
it,
41:14
I
41:14
don't
41:15
want
41:15
anybody
41:15
who's
41:15
passing
41:16
for
41:16
white.
41:16
And
41:16
you're
41:16
ever
41:17
to
41:17
say
41:17
the
41:17
N
41:17
word,
41:18
no
41:18
matter
41:18
who
41:18
you
41:18
quote.
41:20
But
41:21
the
41:21
same
41:23
that
41:23
Herrnstein
41:24
and
41:25
Murray
41:25
were
41:26
able
41:26
to
41:26
capture,
41:27
that
41:28
is
41:28
every.
41:28
If
41:29
every
41:29
Irishman
41:31
could
41:31
hang
41:31
a
41:32
nigger,
41:33
could
41:33
kill
41:33
a
41:33
nigger
41:33
and
41:34
be
41:34
hung
41:34
for
41:34
it,
41:35
then
41:36
the
41:36
Western
41:36
world
41:37
and
41:37
the
41:37
white
41:37
race
41:37
would
41:38
be
41:38
pure.
41:39
That
41:39
was
41:39
the
41:39
first
41:40
for
41:40
beer
41:40
camp,
41:40
y'.
41:40
All.
41:42
And
41:43
that's
41:43
why
41:43
beer
41:43
is
41:43
appropriate.
41:45
In
41:45
other
41:45
words,
41:46
the
41:46
new
41:46
communion.
41:47
Okay,
41:48
why
41:48
can't
41:48
we
41:48
drink
41:49
beer?
41:49
Not
41:49
Jack
41:49
or
41:50
Hennessy.
41:50
You
41:50
know,
41:51
let
41:52
the
41:52
black
41:52
people
41:52
feel,
41:53
you
41:53
know,
41:53
welcome.
41:54
But
41:55
why
41:55
is
41:56
that?
41:58
Why
41:58
is
41:59
that
42:00
uncle
42:00
nearest
42:00
you
42:00
know.
42:01
What
42:01
I'm
42:01
saying.
42:07
Remick?
42:07
Do
42:07
your
42:08
research.
42:08
That's
42:08
why
42:09
we're
42:09
scholars.
42:12
And
42:12
Mary.
42:13
And
42:13
what
42:14
does
42:14
Mary.
42:15
Why
42:15
is
42:15
she
42:15
named
42:16
Mary?
42:17
Right?
42:17
We
42:17
know
42:17
it's
42:17
not
42:18
a.
42:18
This
42:18
is
42:18
not
42:18
a
42:19
biographical
42:20
documentary.
42:22
This
42:22
is
42:22
signification.
42:23
Go
42:23
back.
42:24
That's.
42:24
That's.
42:25
Start
42:25
with
42:25
Charles
42:26
Long.
42:26
Don't
42:26
start
42:26
with
42:27
Henry.
42:29
But
42:29
unless
42:30
you're
42:30
gonna
42:30
do
42:30
the
42:30
DNA,
42:31
right?
42:31
I
42:31
mean,
42:34
there's
42:34
a
42:34
long
42:35
history
42:36
there.
42:38
Remick
42:38
is
42:39
literally
42:39
Passing
42:39
his
42:40
wife.
42:41
Irish
42:42
people
42:42
pass
42:43
as
42:43
white
42:46
in
42:46
the
42:46
imagination
42:47
of
42:47
the
42:47
Western
42:48
world.
42:48
And
42:49
they
42:49
became
42:49
white,
42:49
right?
42:50
They
42:50
became
42:51
white
42:51
in
42:52
the
42:52
same
42:52
ways.
42:53
Jews
42:54
have
42:55
to
42:55
decide
42:56
beyond
42:57
Passover
42:59
what
43:00
race
43:00
and
43:00
religion
43:01
means,
43:03
right?
43:04
So
43:05
what
43:05
am
43:05
I
43:05
saying
43:05
there?
43:06
And
43:07
you
43:07
only
43:07
asked
43:07
one
43:07
question.
43:08
I
43:08
knew
43:08
that
43:08
was
43:09
gonna
43:09
happen.
43:09
I
43:10
knew
43:10
it.
43:10
Okay?
43:11
I
43:11
knew
43:11
that
43:11
was
43:11
gonna
43:11
happen.
43:12
O,
43:12
who
43:13
is
43:13
the
43:14
whitest
43:14
person
43:14
that
43:15
we
43:15
all
43:15
love
43:15
the
43:16
most?
43:16
Based
43:17
on
43:17
our
43:18
confessions.
43:19
Hint,
43:19
hint.
43:20
And
43:21
our
43:21
training,
43:22
that
43:23
North
43:23
African
43:24
called
43:26
Augustus
43:27
who
43:28
defines
43:28
sin.
43:29
See
43:29
how
43:29
Baptist.
43:30
We
43:30
take
43:30
a
43:30
long
43:31
road,
43:31
but
43:31
we
43:31
can
43:31
come
43:31
back.
43:34
Sin
43:34
is
43:34
disordered,
43:35
loves.
43:38
And
43:38
so
43:38
when
43:38
Ruddock
43:39
has
43:39
Sonny
43:40
Boy
43:40
in
43:40
the
43:40
water,
43:40
and
43:41
Sonny
43:41
Boy
43:41
is
43:41
the
43:41
only
43:41
one,
43:42
he
43:42
was
43:42
coming
43:42
for
43:43
Sammy.
43:45
Thank
43:45
you,
43:45
sis.
43:48
He
43:48
says,
43:49
in
43:49
the
43:49
water,
43:49
he
43:49
says,
43:50
oh.
43:51
Which
43:51
is
43:51
much
43:52
like
43:52
the
43:52
Green
43:52
Goblin
43:53
in
43:53
Spider
43:53
man,
43:55
right?
43:55
You
43:56
remember
43:56
when
43:56
Grandma
43:56
was
43:57
on
43:57
her
43:57
knees?
43:57
Our
43:57
Father,
43:58
who
43:58
I.
43:58
He
43:59
got
43:59
down
43:59
and
43:59
the
43:59
Green
43:59
Goblin
44:00
came
44:00
in,
44:00
said,
44:01
on
44:01
earth
44:01
as
44:02
it
44:02
is
44:02
in
44:02
heaven,
44:03
like,
44:03
I'm
44:03
not
44:03
afraid
44:04
of
44:04
your
44:04
little
44:04
prayers.
44:06
Reddick
44:06
said,
44:06
oh,
44:06
you
44:07
love
44:07
those
44:07
prayers,
44:07
too.
44:08
Oh,
44:09
they
44:09
brought
44:09
comfort
44:10
to
44:10
my
44:10
people,
44:10
too.
44:12
If
44:12
it
44:13
wasn't
44:13
for
44:13
Reddick,
44:14
Remic,
44:15
they
44:16
would
44:16
not
44:16
have
44:16
known
44:17
the
44:17
truth
44:19
of
44:19
what
44:20
really
44:20
was
44:20
going
44:21
down.
44:21
They
44:21
would
44:22
not
44:22
have
44:22
known
44:22
the
44:22
plan
44:24
that
44:24
was
44:25
gonna
44:25
make
44:25
the
44:25
future
44:26
history
44:26
again,
44:27
which
44:27
was.
44:28
You
44:28
think
44:28
you
44:29
have
44:29
a
44:29
juke
44:29
joint?
44:30
You
44:30
think
44:31
this
44:31
is
44:31
a
44:31
beer
44:31
camp?
44:33
Go
44:33
back
44:34
to
44:34
church
44:34
tomorrow.
44:36
Go
44:36
back
44:37
to
44:37
your
44:37
tenure
44:37
positions
44:38
tomorrow,
44:39
and
44:39
you'll
44:39
see
44:41
the
44:41
hallucination
44:42
was
44:43
the
44:43
freedom
44:45
you
44:45
thought
44:46
you
44:46
had
44:46
achieved.
44:50
The
44:50
person
44:51
who
44:51
passed
44:51
the
44:52
most
44:52
in
44:52
history,
44:53
and
44:53
the
44:53
reality,
44:54
Augustine.
44:56
That
44:56
North
44:57
Africa.
44:57
We've
44:58
taken
44:59
North
44:59
Africa
44:59
out
45:00
of
45:00
Africa.
45:02
We
45:02
made
45:02
Augustine
45:03
white
45:03
the
45:03
same
45:04
way
45:04
we
45:04
made
45:04
Jesus
45:05
white
45:06
and
45:06
white.
45:06
Why
45:06
did
45:06
we
45:06
do
45:07
that?
45:07
Because
45:07
our
45:08
loves
45:08
have
45:09
been
45:09
disordered
45:11
Sinners
45:11
is
45:12
not
45:13
a
45:13
movie
45:15
just
45:15
for
45:16
black
45:16
people.
45:18
It's
45:18
a
45:19
movie
45:19
that
45:19
speaks
45:20
to
45:21
what
45:22
is
45:22
red,
45:22
white
45:22
and
45:23
blue
45:24
and
45:24
black
45:24
about
45:25
our
45:25
soul.
45:27
When
45:27
we
45:27
major
45:28
in
45:28
the
45:28
minor
45:29
chords
45:31
of
45:31
lies
45:33
and
45:33
we
45:33
miss
45:33
what's
45:34
literally
45:35
menacing
45:35
us.
45:38
And
45:38
I
45:38
think,
45:38
oh,
45:39
you're
45:39
never
45:39
gonna
45:39
get
45:39
to
45:39
know.
45:40
I
45:40
know.
45:40
I
45:41
was
45:41
gonna.
45:42
There's
45:43
only
45:43
one
45:43
more
45:43
question.
45:44
I
45:44
have.
45:44
I
45:44
only
45:44
have
45:45
one
45:45
more.
45:45
Well,
45:45
come
45:45
on.
45:46
You
45:46
better
45:46
bring
45:46
it,
45:46
brother.
45:47
No,
45:47
Stacy,
45:48
I
45:48
appreciate
45:48
you
45:49
pointing
45:49
out
45:50
to
45:50
me,
45:51
like,
45:51
stack
45:52
and
45:52
smoke,
45:52
the
45:52
red
45:53
and
45:53
the
45:53
blue,
45:53
making
45:54
purple.
45:54
And
45:54
here
45:55
we
45:55
are
45:55
in
45:55
Minnesota
45:55
and
45:56
talking
45:56
about
45:56
purple,
45:56
blue.
45:56
Give
45:57
that
45:57
to
45:57
Amy.
45:57
I
45:57
know.
45:58
Beautiful.
46:00
But
46:00
let's.
46:00
When
46:01
we
46:01
talk
46:01
about
46:01
transcendence
46:02
and
46:02
the
46:02
blurring
46:03
of
46:03
the
46:03
L,
46:04
the
46:04
dead.
46:04
Let's
46:04
talk
46:04
about
46:05
the
46:05
scene.
46:06
Yeah,
46:06
yeah.
46:07
The
46:07
music
46:08
which
46:08
blends,
46:09
which
46:09
every
46:09
Time
46:09
I
46:09
think
46:09
about,
46:09
I
46:10
get
46:10
goosebumps.
46:11
What.
46:12
Please,
46:12
would
46:13
that
46:13
invoke
46:14
what?
46:14
You
46:14
know,
46:15
that's
46:16
conjure.
46:16
That's.
46:17
That's
46:17
conjure.
46:17
I
46:18
mean,
46:19
Sammy's
46:20
guitar
46:20
was
46:20
a
46:21
instrument
46:21
of
46:21
conjure,
46:22
which
46:22
is,
46:23
which
46:23
is
46:23
a
46:23
way
46:23
of
46:23
talking
46:24
about,
46:25
I
46:25
guess,
46:25
a
46:25
beer
46:26
camp
46:26
language.
46:26
Like
46:27
a
46:27
theopoesis,
46:28
right?
46:29
Like
46:29
a,
46:29
a
46:29
kind
46:30
of
46:30
God
46:30
making,
46:31
God
46:31
shaping
46:32
in
46:33
terms
46:33
of
46:33
that.
46:33
Robert
46:33
Taylor
46:34
at
46:34
the,
46:35
at
46:35
the
46:35
CR
46:39
Crossroads.
46:40
And
46:40
Robert
46:40
Taylor
46:41
is
46:41
bringing
46:41
worlds
46:42
into
46:42
existence
46:43
and
46:43
bringing
46:44
them
46:44
into
46:44
dialogue
46:45
with
46:45
each
46:45
other
46:46
in
46:46
ways
46:46
that
46:47
they
46:47
had
46:47
not
46:47
been
46:47
bought
46:48
into
46:48
dialogue
46:49
and
46:49
in
46:49
connection
46:50
with
46:50
each
46:50
other
46:50
before.
46:51
And
46:51
it
46:51
didn't
46:52
scare
46:52
Robert
46:52
Taylor,
46:53
but
46:53
it
46:53
scared
46:53
everybody
46:54
else.
46:54
Everybody
46:55
else.
46:56
Sammy
46:56
is
46:57
Robert.
46:57
Yeah.
46:57
So
46:57
anyway,
46:58
go
46:58
ahead.
46:58
No.
46:58
Oh,
46:59
you
46:59
were,
46:59
you
46:59
weren't
46:59
going.
47:02
But
47:02
the
47:03
crossroads,
47:03
that's
47:04
even
47:04
where
47:04
that
47:04
he
47:05
scared.
47:06
That's
47:06
Papa
47:06
Legba.
47:07
That's
47:07
Papa
47:07
Legba.
47:08
In
47:08
terms
47:08
of.
47:09
That's
47:09
Legba
47:11
right
47:11
there.
47:12
Right?
47:12
That's,
47:13
that's
47:13
the
47:13
Haitian
47:14
luau
47:15
for,
47:15
you
47:16
know,
47:16
some
47:16
people,
47:18
well,
47:18
Westerners
47:19
translated
47:20
that
47:20
as
47:20
demonic.
47:21
That's
47:21
why
47:21
you
47:21
have
47:21
this,
47:21
all
47:22
this
47:22
Satan
47:22
in
47:22
it.
47:22
But
47:23
really,
47:24
that's
47:24
the
47:24
Haitian
47:25
Vudan
47:25
lawow,
47:26
which
47:26
is
47:26
like
47:26
kind
47:27
of
47:27
this
47:27
spiritual
47:28
power
47:28
that
47:29
talks
47:29
about
47:29
being
47:30
at
47:30
the
47:30
crossworlds.
47:31
It's
47:31
a
47:31
messenger
47:32
between
47:32
humans
47:33
and
47:33
the
47:33
divine
47:34
and
47:35
more
47:36
of
47:36
a
47:36
portal
47:36
and
47:36
a
47:36
gateway
47:37
to
47:37
the
47:37
transcendent.
47:38
Right.
47:39
And
47:39
that's
47:39
what
47:40
that
47:40
represented.
47:40
That's
47:40
why
47:40
I
47:41
was
47:41
talking
47:41
about
47:41
that
47:41
gateway.
47:42
And
47:42
that's
47:43
why
47:43
he
47:43
comes
47:43
after
47:44
Sam.
47:44
Sam
47:44
is
47:44
that
47:45
gateway.
47:45
He's
47:46
Robert
47:46
Taylor.
47:46
He's
47:46
at
47:47
the
47:47
crossroads.
47:47
Go.
47:47
Absolutely.
47:49
But
47:49
what
47:50
we
47:50
also
47:50
have
47:50
to
47:50
think
47:51
about
47:51
here,
47:51
and
47:51
I,
47:52
I,
47:52
I'm
47:53
loving
47:53
the,
47:54
the
47:54
crosstalk,
47:55
literally,
47:56
that's
47:56
going
47:56
on
47:57
here
47:57
at
47:57
the
47:57
panel,
47:58
right.
47:59
The
47:59
idea
47:59
of,
48:00
and
48:01
I'm
48:01
going
48:01
to
48:01
push
48:01
back
48:01
a
48:02
little
48:02
bit
48:02
in
48:02
terms
48:02
of
48:03
why
48:04
I
48:04
don't
48:04
think
48:05
we
48:05
can
48:05
or
48:05
should
48:06
abandon
48:06
the
48:06
notion
48:07
of
48:07
syncretized
48:08
religious,
48:09
but
48:09
also
48:10
wrestling
48:10
with
48:10
the
48:10
colonized
48:11
religion.
48:12
When,
48:13
when
48:13
the
48:14
movie
48:14
starts
48:15
and
48:15
the
48:15
voiceover,
48:16
Annie's
48:17
voiceover
48:17
to
48:17
the
48:18
movie
48:18
is
48:18
talking
48:18
about
48:18
the
48:19
Irish,
48:20
the
48:20
indigenous
48:21
and
48:21
the
48:22
African
48:24
situation
48:25
with
48:25
that,
48:25
that,
48:25
that
48:26
musicality
48:27
as
48:27
an
48:27
access
48:28
point
48:28
for
48:29
eternity,
48:30
right.
48:30
And
48:30
being
48:30
able
48:31
to
48:31
cross
48:31
between
48:32
the
48:32
living
48:32
and
48:32
the
48:32
dead
48:33
and
48:33
the
48:33
past,
48:34
the
48:34
present
48:34
and
48:34
the
48:34
future,
48:35
Right.
48:35
You
48:35
know,
48:35
Kairos
48:36
and
48:36
Chronos
48:37
melding
48:38
in
48:38
that.
48:40
So
48:40
when
48:41
we
48:41
get
48:41
to
48:41
the
48:41
theme,
48:42
right.
48:43
The
48:43
idea
48:43
that
48:44
in
48:44
that
48:45
space
48:45
and
48:45
when,
48:46
you
48:46
know,
48:46
suddenly
48:47
Sammy
48:47
is
48:47
just
48:47
letting
48:48
rip,
48:48
right.
48:48
You
48:49
know,
48:49
what's
48:49
the
48:49
name
48:49
of
48:50
the
48:50
song?
48:50
I
48:50
lied
48:50
to
48:50
you.
48:51
I
48:51
lied
48:51
to
48:51
you,
48:52
I
48:52
lied
48:52
to
48:52
you.
48:53
Right.
48:53
And
48:54
he's
48:54
giving
48:54
this
48:54
over
48:55
in,
48:55
you
48:55
know,
48:55
in
48:56
honor
48:57
and
48:58
loving
48:59
affection
48:59
to
48:59
his
49:00
father,
49:00
who
49:00
he
49:00
has
49:01
a
49:01
complicated
49:01
relationship
49:02
with.
49:02
So
49:03
first
49:04
and
49:04
foremost,
49:04
right,
49:05
anybody
49:06
who
49:06
thinks
49:06
that,
49:07
you
49:07
know,
49:07
the
49:07
movie's
49:07
anti
49:08
God
49:08
or
49:08
anti.
49:08
Anti
49:09
Jesus.
49:09
No,
49:10
he.
49:10
I
49:10
think
49:11
Coogler
49:11
and
49:11
company
49:12
are
49:12
anti
49:13
religious
49:13
in
49:14
terms
49:14
of
49:14
religious
49:15
authority,
49:16
hegemony,
49:17
orthodoxy
49:18
that
49:19
wants
49:19
to
49:19
make
49:20
religion
49:20
conform
49:21
to.
49:21
To
49:22
the
49:22
ways
49:22
and.
49:23
And
49:23
the
49:23
wishes
49:23
and
49:24
I
49:25
think
49:25
the
49:25
sinfulness
49:25
of
49:25
this
49:26
world
49:26
institutionalized.
49:27
There
49:27
you
49:27
go.
49:28
There
49:28
you
49:28
go.
49:28
You
49:29
know,
49:29
and
49:29
I'm
49:29
refuting
49:30
and
49:30
rejecting
49:30
this
49:30
thing
49:31
by
49:31
Max
49:31
Mueller.
49:32
Okay?
49:32
This
49:32
is
49:32
a
49:32
hot
49:32
take,
49:33
of
49:33
course,
49:33
but
49:34
you
49:34
know
49:34
that
49:35
all.
49:35
All
49:36
religions
49:36
are
49:36
great
49:37
that
49:37
have
49:37
a
49:37
great
49:37
book
49:38
at
49:38
the
49:38
center
49:38
of
49:38
them.
49:39
No,
49:39
when
49:39
you're
49:40
dealing
49:40
with
49:40
hoodoo,
49:41
when
49:41
you're
49:41
dealing
49:41
with
49:41
the
49:41
blues,
49:42
right,
49:43
it's
49:43
an
49:43
unscripted
49:45
religion,
49:45
right?
49:46
It's
49:46
a
49:46
source
49:46
of
49:47
power
49:47
that
49:47
doesn't
49:48
have
49:48
to
49:48
bend
49:49
or
49:49
bow
49:49
down
49:49
to
49:50
scriptural.
49:51
Scriptural
49:52
interpretation
49:53
or
49:54
literation.
49:55
But,
49:55
you
49:55
know,
49:56
let
49:56
me
49:56
get
49:56
to
49:56
my
49:56
point,
49:57
right?
49:57
The
49:57
idea
49:58
that
49:58
at
49:58
this
49:58
crossroads
49:59
moment,
50:00
right,
50:00
And
50:01
Sami
50:01
is
50:01
able
50:01
to
50:02
bring
50:02
a
50:02
convergence
50:03
where
50:03
you
50:03
see,
50:04
you
50:04
know,
50:04
the.
50:04
The
50:05
gang
50:05
bangers,
50:06
Crip
50:06
walking,
50:07
and
50:07
you
50:07
can
50:07
see,
50:07
you
50:08
know,
50:08
somebody
50:08
from
50:09
Parliament
50:09
Funkadelic,
50:10
you
50:10
know,
50:10
wailing
50:10
away
50:11
on
50:11
a
50:11
guitar,
50:11
and
50:11
you
50:12
can
50:12
see
50:12
the
50:12
DJ
50:12
on
50:12
the
50:13
turntables,
50:13
and
50:14
you
50:14
can
50:14
see
50:14
the.
50:14
The
50:15
Praise
50:15
dancers.
50:16
Oh,
50:16
come
50:16
on.
50:17
It's
50:17
a.
50:18
It's.
50:18
Yeah.
50:18
And
50:18
even
50:19
the
50:19
roof.
50:19
The
50:20
roof.
50:20
The
50:20
roof
50:20
is
50:20
on
50:21
fire.
50:23
You
50:23
know,
50:23
we
50:23
don't
50:23
need
50:24
no
50:24
water.
50:24
Shot
50:25
of
50:25
Good
50:25
Times.
50:26
Yes,
50:27
Right.
50:27
You
50:27
know,
50:28
I
50:28
mean,
50:28
because
50:29
there's
50:29
a
50:29
visual
50:30
cue
50:30
here,
50:30
too,
50:31
to
50:31
the
50:31
point
50:31
of
50:32
that
50:32
Stacy
50:32
and
50:32
Kelly
50:33
have
50:33
also
50:33
brought
50:34
to
50:34
the
50:34
table,
50:34
where
50:35
for
50:35
me,
50:35
I'm.
50:36
I'm
50:36
also
50:37
seeing
50:37
flashbacks
50:38
to
50:38
the
50:39
Color
50:39
Purple,
50:39
the
50:39
original.
50:40
The.
50:40
The
50:40
good
50:41
one
50:42
from
50:42
the
50:42
1980s.
50:44
You
50:44
don't
50:44
get
50:45
to
50:45
say.
50:45
I
50:45
don't
50:45
have
50:45
permission.
50:47
Okay,
50:47
okay.
50:48
Don't
50:48
speak
50:48
the
50:48
truth.
50:49
Okay,
50:49
But.
50:51
But,
50:51
you
50:51
know,
50:51
I
50:52
mean,
50:52
I'm.
50:52
Because
50:53
if
50:53
we
50:53
think
50:53
about
50:54
this,
50:54
right,
50:54
you
50:55
know,
50:55
Sammy,
50:56
okay,
50:56
this
50:57
might
50:57
seem
50:57
like
50:57
another
50:58
controversial
50:58
hot
50:59
take.
50:59
And
50:59
maybe
50:59
I'm
50:59
not
50:59
authorized
51:00
to
51:00
say
51:00
it,
51:01
but
51:02
we'll
51:02
let
51:02
you
51:02
know.
51:02
Okay,
51:03
thank
51:03
you.
51:03
Thank
51:03
you.
51:04
Keep
51:05
me
51:05
posted.
51:06
That
51:06
Sammy,
51:07
in
51:07
some
51:07
ways,
51:07
being
51:08
an
51:08
inversion
51:08
of
51:09
Suge
51:09
Avery.
51:09
And
51:10
when
51:10
Sammy
51:11
returns
51:11
to
51:11
the
51:11
church
51:12
house
51:12
versus
51:13
Shug,
51:13
if
51:13
you
51:13
remember,
51:14
in
51:14
that
51:14
classic
51:15
scene
51:15
when
51:16
she's
51:16
crossing
51:16
over
51:16
to
51:16
the
51:17
church
51:17
house,
51:17
Shug
51:18
is
51:18
submitting
51:18
and
51:19
surrendering
51:19
to
51:20
her
51:20
preacher
51:20
father,
51:21
whereas
51:21
Sammy
51:22
is
51:22
saying,
51:22
no,
51:22
I'm
51:22
gonna
51:22
go
51:23
my
51:23
own
51:23
way.
51:24
I'm
51:24
gonna
51:24
hold
51:24
on
51:25
to
51:25
these
51:25
blues.
51:25
No
51:26
Actually,
51:26
come
51:27
on
51:27
now.
51:28
We
51:28
won't
51:28
muddle
51:29
things.
51:29
But
51:29
Shug
51:30
dies.
51:31
Y.
51:32
Because
51:33
Shug
51:33
actually
51:34
becomes
51:34
a
51:34
vampire
51:35
in
51:36
Sinners.
51:37
So
51:37
she
51:37
doesn't.
51:38
She
51:39
doesn't
51:39
become
51:39
trans.
51:40
She.
51:40
She
51:41
is
51:41
the
51:41
woman
51:42
who
51:43
was
51:43
cheating
51:44
with
51:44
Sammy
51:45
when
51:45
she
51:45
was.
51:47
If
51:47
you're
51:47
gonna
51:48
put
51:48
them
51:48
together.
51:48
Okay,
51:49
okay.
51:49
Melda
51:50
is
51:50
the
51:50
one.
51:50
One
51:50
who
51:51
died
51:52
as
51:52
a
51:52
vampire.
51:54
And
51:54
the
51:54
other.
51:54
She's
51:55
not.
51:55
Right.
51:56
But
51:56
the
51:56
only
51:57
other
51:57
thing
51:57
I
51:57
wanted
51:57
to
51:57
say
51:58
since
51:58
we
51:58
talk
51:59
about
51:59
Suge
51:59
is
52:00
in
52:01
that
52:01
movie
52:01
Shug.
52:02
In
52:02
so
52:02
many
52:02
respects,
52:03
Ref
52:05
in
52:05
Color
52:05
Purple
52:06
reflects
52:06
what
52:06
many
52:07
blues
52:07
women
52:07
did.
52:08
All
52:08
right.
52:09
Which
52:09
is
52:09
give
52:10
up
52:10
their
52:10
life
52:11
for
52:11
a
52:11
large
52:12
scent.
52:13
Right.
52:13
Literally
52:13
disorder
52:14
them
52:15
so
52:15
you
52:16
can
52:16
be
52:16
rightfully
52:17
ordered
52:17
and
52:17
removed.
52:17
Right.
52:18
Okay.
52:18
Which
52:18
is
52:18
always
52:18
the
52:19
price
52:19
that
52:19
women
52:19
pay.
52:20
Right.
52:20
So
52:21
the
52:21
purple
52:21
in
52:21
this
52:22
story.
52:22
Oh,
52:22
Juan,
52:23
I'm.
52:24
I'm
52:24
here.
52:24
I'm
52:24
here.
52:25
I'm.
52:26
I'm
52:26
riding.
52:26
I'm
52:26
riding.
52:27
Is
52:27
that
52:27
women?
52:28
I'm
52:28
like.
52:28
Whether
52:29
we're.
52:30
No
52:30
matter
52:30
who
52:31
we're
52:31
talking
52:31
about,
52:32
the
52:32
women
52:33
lose
52:36
to
52:37
the
52:37
hysteria
52:39
and
52:40
the
52:40
history
52:41
of
52:41
the
52:41
men
52:41
in
52:41
the
52:42
narrative.
52:43
So.
52:43
But
52:43
this
52:44
is
52:44
not
52:44
the
52:44
woman
52:44
that's
52:45
the
52:45
kind
52:45
of
52:45
sinners.
52:45
This
52:45
is
52:46
just
52:46
sinners.
52:48
The
52:48
women
52:49
get
52:51
sacrificed.
52:54
Literally.
52:55
Yeah.
52:56
Sacrificed.
52:57
The
52:58
women
52:58
were
52:58
the
52:58
most
52:59
valuable
53:00
and
53:00
the
53:00
most
53:00
transformed.
53:01
Think
53:01
about
53:01
it.
53:04
And
53:04
they
53:04
got
53:05
the
53:05
shortest
53:05
end
53:06
of
53:06
the
53:06
stick
53:08
because
53:08
men
53:09
were
53:09
stacking
53:09
and
53:09
smoking.
53:11
So
53:12
whether
53:12
we're
53:12
talking
53:12
about
53:13
Asian
53:13
women,
53:14
whether
53:15
we're
53:15
talking
53:15
about
53:15
root
53:16
women,
53:17
whether
53:17
we're
53:17
talking
53:17
about
53:18
biracial
53:19
women,
53:19
whether
53:20
we're
53:20
talking
53:20
about
53:20
privileged
53:21
women,
53:22
they
53:22
lose.
53:23
They
53:23
become
53:24
the
53:24
body
53:24
broken
53:26
on
53:27
the
53:27
altar
53:27
of
53:27
sacrifice.
53:29
Not
53:29
for
53:30
whiteness,
53:31
but
53:32
a
53:32
patriarchy.
53:33
A
53:33
male
53:34
gods
53:35
that
53:35
must
53:35
serve
53:35
men.
53:36
Yeah.
53:36
And
53:37
so.
53:37
And
53:38
to
53:38
your.
53:38
Yes,
53:39
but
53:39
that
53:39
you
53:40
open
53:40
that
53:40
door.
53:41
Let'S
53:42
walk
53:42
on
53:42
in
53:42
together.
53:43
Let's
53:43
walk
53:44
through
53:44
it
53:44
together.
53:44
Say.
53:45
And
53:45
to
53:45
your
53:45
point,
53:46
if
53:46
we're
53:46
going
53:46
to
53:46
talk
53:46
about.
53:47
And
53:47
yes.
53:47
And
53:48
if
53:48
we're
53:48
going
53:48
to
53:48
talk
53:48
about
53:50
Sammy
53:50
in
53:50
relationship
53:52
to
53:52
Suge
53:53
and
53:53
to.
53:53
Cuz
53:54
Sammy
53:54
doesn't
53:54
even
53:54
have
53:54
a
53:55
mama.
53:55
How
53:55
about
53:55
that?
53:56
Right,
53:56
Right.
53:56
And
53:56
she.
53:57
His
53:57
mama's
53:57
there,
53:57
but
53:58
silent
53:58
is.
53:58
Is
53:59
there
53:59
beside.
53:59
And
53:59
to
54:00
put
54:00
to
54:00
Mel
54:01
on
54:01
the
54:01
bone
54:02
or
54:02
meat
54:02
on
54:02
the
54:02
bones
54:03
of
54:03
what
54:03
you
54:03
just
54:03
said,
54:04
Stacy.
54:05
He.
54:05
Sammy
54:06
was
54:06
able.
54:07
In
54:07
the
54:07
way
54:08
in
54:08
which
54:08
blues
54:08
women
54:09
and
54:09
Suge
54:09
wasn'
54:10
to
54:10
do.
54:10
He
54:11
was
54:11
able
54:12
to
54:12
be
54:12
able
54:12
to
54:13
bring
54:13
those
54:13
two
54:14
together
54:14
and
54:14
not
54:14
give
54:15
up
54:15
himself.
54:15
And
54:16
all
54:16
the
54:16
women
54:16
died.
54:17
Right.
54:17
Because
54:17
he
54:18
had
54:18
his
54:18
maleness.
54:19
And
54:20
so
54:20
he
54:21
was
54:21
able
54:21
and
54:22
blessing.
54:23
Not
54:23
just
54:23
maleness.
54:24
Yeah.
54:24
Of
54:24
his
54:24
daddy.
54:26
And
54:26
blues
54:27
women
54:27
didn't
54:28
get
54:28
that
54:28
in
54:29
a
54:29
male
54:29
Centered
54:30
black
54:30
church
54:31
that
54:31
was
54:32
playing
54:32
into
54:32
the
54:33
models
54:33
of
54:33
masculinity
54:34
and
54:34
playing
54:35
into
54:35
the
54:35
models
54:36
of
54:36
evangelical
54:37
Protestant
54:37
puritans
54:39
invaded
54:39
that
54:39
church.
54:40
Church.
54:40
And
54:40
so
54:41
the
54:41
woman.
54:41
And
54:42
that
54:42
blues
54:42
women
54:43
didn't
54:43
have
54:43
a
54:43
place
54:44
to
54:44
stand.
54:44
All
54:45
right?
54:45
So
54:45
what
54:45
actually
54:46
happened
54:46
was
54:46
many
54:47
of
54:47
them
54:48
had
54:48
to
54:48
give
54:48
up
54:49
the
54:49
blues
54:50
in
54:50
order
54:50
to
54:50
become
54:51
a
54:51
part
54:51
of
54:51
the
54:52
church,
54:52
and
54:52
men
54:53
didn't.
54:53
And
54:53
their
54:53
blues
54:54
were
54:54
their
54:54
bodies
54:55
that
54:56
led
54:56
on
54:56
the
54:57
altar
54:57
and
54:57
the
54:58
blues.
54:59
Out
54:59
of
54:59
there,
54:59
by
54:59
the
55:00
way.
55:00
So
55:00
since
55:00
you
55:01
said
55:01
that,
55:01
I
55:01
just
55:01
want
55:01
to
55:02
protect
55:02
sh.
55:03
Oh,
55:04
okay.
55:06
Cover
55:06
part.
55:07
Okay.
55:08
That's
55:08
gonna
55:09
be
55:09
clear.
55:09
And
55:09
I
55:10
like
55:10
salmon.
55:11
Yeah,
55:11
yeah,
55:11
yeah.
55:12
And
55:12
you
55:12
know,
55:13
but
55:13
I
55:14
just
55:14
want
55:14
to
55:14
be
55:14
clear.
55:15
Okay,
55:15
okay.
55:15
Don't
55:16
muddy
55:16
the
55:16
waters.
55:17
Don't
55:18
muddy
55:18
the
55:18
waters.
55:19
No
55:19
love.
55:19
No
55:20
love.
55:20
Okay.
55:20
All
55:21
right.
55:24
You
55:24
know,
55:24
because
55:24
someone
55:25
like
55:25
Bessie
55:26
Smith.
55:26
Ended
55:26
up
55:26
dying
55:27
versus
55:27
Ma
55:28
Rainey.
55:28
Okay,
55:28
let's
55:29
go
55:30
give.
55:31
Give
55:31
up
55:31
her
55:31
boots.
55:32
So.
55:32
Right.
55:33
So
55:33
let's
55:33
just
55:33
be
55:33
clear.
55:34
The
55:34
other
55:34
thing.
55:35
Just,
55:35
you
55:35
know,
55:35
just
55:36
an
55:36
aside
55:36
not
55:37
to.
55:37
No,
55:37
no.
55:38
The
55:38
historical
55:38
moments,
55:40
the
55:41
Asian
55:41
women,
55:41
one
55:41
of
55:42
the
55:42
women
55:42
and
55:43
the
55:43
Asians
55:43
in
55:44
this
55:44
film,
55:44
and
55:45
one
55:45
of
55:45
the
55:45
things
55:45
that
55:46
people
55:46
don't
55:47
know
55:47
historically
55:48
is
55:49
the
55:49
strong
55:50
Asian,
55:50
particularly
55:51
Chinese
55:51
community
55:52
was
55:52
that
55:52
was
55:53
down
55:53
there
55:53
at
55:53
that
55:53
time,
55:53
which
55:54
was
55:54
a
55:54
beautiful.
55:55
In
55:55
the
55:55
Delta,
55:56
historical,
55:56
educational
55:57
fact.
55:57
That's
55:57
right.
55:58
That
55:58
we
55:58
will
55:59
not
55:59
get
55:59
in
55:59
the
55:59
classroom.
56:00
There
56:00
was
56:00
a
56:00
strong,
56:01
strong
56:02
Chinese
56:03
community
56:04
in
56:04
the
56:04
Delta,
56:05
in
56:05
the
56:05
Mississippi
56:05
Delta
56:07
at
56:07
the
56:07
turn
56:07
of
56:07
the
56:07
century.
56:08
In
56:08
the
56:08
same
56:08
way,
56:08
there's
56:09
a
56:09
Korean
56:09
and
56:09
Vietnamese
56:10
presence.
56:11
That's
56:11
right.
56:11
In
56:11
the
56:11
African
56:12
American.
56:13
And
56:13
what
56:13
they
56:13
represented
56:14
in
56:14
that
56:15
film
56:15
was
56:15
an
56:15
actual
56:16
historical
56:17
representation,
56:18
particularly
56:19
in
56:19
terms
56:19
of
56:19
the
56:19
way
56:20
in
56:20
which
56:20
the.
56:21
Stores
56:22
operated,
56:23
commerce
56:24
and
56:24
capital.
56:25
Also
56:25
the
56:25
natives,
56:26
the
56:27
Choctaw,
56:28
that's
56:29
discernment.
56:29
Now
56:30
the
56:30
Choctaw,
56:30
they
56:31
had
56:31
enough
56:31
sense.
56:32
Leave
56:33
them
56:33
alone.
56:34
Discernment.
56:34
That
56:35
was
56:35
spiritual.
56:36
Yeah,
56:36
yeah.
56:36
One
56:37
was
56:37
commerce
56:37
and
56:37
capital
56:38
based
56:39
on
56:39
day
56:39
to
56:39
day
56:39
community,
56:40
and
56:40
the
56:41
other
56:41
one
56:41
was
56:41
transcendent.
56:42
When
56:42
you're
56:43
talking
56:43
about
56:43
the
56:43
Choctaw,
56:45
it
56:45
was
56:45
a
56:45
prophetic.
56:46
The
56:46
Choctaw
56:48
were.
56:48
This
56:49
is
56:49
our
56:49
land.
56:50
Right,
56:50
Right
56:51
from
56:51
New
56:51
York
56:51
Island.
56:53
Right.
56:53
I
56:54
mean,
56:55
so
56:55
they're
56:55
like,
56:55
we
56:56
know
56:56
this.
56:57
This
56:58
is
56:58
our
56:58
land.
57:00
We
57:00
know
57:00
their
57:00
ways,
57:02
and
57:02
we're
57:02
giving
57:02
a
57:02
warning.
57:03
So
57:04
one
57:04
was
57:04
about
57:05
discernment
57:06
and
57:07
the
57:07
other
57:07
one
57:07
was
57:07
about
57:08
knowing
57:09
how
57:09
to
57:09
make
57:10
deliberate
57:10
choices
57:11
in
57:11
community.
57:12
So
57:12
there
57:13
was
57:13
a
57:13
way
57:13
to.
57:13
The
57:13
Choctaw
57:14
were
57:14
not
57:15
a
57:15
part
57:16
of
57:16
the
57:16
day
57:16
to
57:17
day
57:17
reality,
57:17
but
57:18
they
57:18
were
57:18
the
57:18
same
57:20
prophetic
57:21
spiritual
57:22
realm.
57:23
Whereas
57:24
the
57:24
Asians
57:25
in
57:25
the
57:25
market,
57:26
who
57:27
literally
57:27
loved,
57:31
they
57:31
were
57:31
more
57:32
excited
57:32
or
57:32
just
57:33
more
57:33
excited
57:34
to
57:35
See,
57:35
at
57:35
least
57:35
smoke
57:36
come
57:36
back
57:36
into
57:36
town.
57:38
That's
57:38
right.
57:38
Than
57:38
any
57:38
black
57:39
people
57:39
were.
57:41
Right.
57:41
They
57:41
realized
57:43
we
57:43
have
57:43
a
57:43
romanticized
57:44
understanding
57:45
of
57:45
who
57:45
you
57:45
were,
57:46
a
57:46
communal
57:46
understanding,
57:47
and
57:47
we're
57:48
in
57:48
solidarity.
57:49
And
57:49
the
57:49
intergenerational
57:50
and
57:50
gender
57:51
dynamics
57:51
were
57:51
different.
57:52
Right.
57:52
The
57:53
wife
57:53
was
57:53
saying,
57:53
listen,
57:53
he
57:54
ain't
57:54
bringing
57:54
no
57:54
money
57:54
in.
57:55
You
57:55
keep
57:55
him
57:56
out.
57:56
And
57:57
the
57:57
daughter
57:57
was
57:57
saying
57:58
something
57:58
sus.
57:58
And
57:59
we
57:59
don't
57:59
know
57:59
if
57:59
the
58:00
daughter
58:00
was
58:00
saying
58:00
something
58:00
sus
58:01
because
58:01
of
58:02
her
58:02
own
58:02
amelioration
58:03
or
58:03
her
58:04
own
58:06
black
58:06
racism.
58:08
But
58:09
one,
58:10
there's
58:10
a
58:10
difference.
58:11
And
58:11
there's
58:11
a
58:12
fine
58:12
line
58:12
between
58:12
love
58:12
and
58:13
hate
58:14
and
58:14
between
58:14
the
58:15
spirit
58:16
and
58:16
the
58:16
secular,
58:18
which
58:18
is
58:19
what
58:19
sinners
58:20
is
58:20
about
58:21
again,
58:21
the
58:21
disordered
58:22
loves.
58:23
What
58:23
is
58:23
that
58:23
fine
58:23
line
58:24
of
58:25
where
58:25
the
58:26
God
58:26
we
58:26
serve
58:26
and
58:26
the
58:27
God
58:27
who
58:27
serves
58:27
us,
58:28
and
58:28
how
58:28
much
58:29
do
58:29
we
58:29
embody
58:30
that
58:31
or
58:31
must
58:31
the
58:31
other
58:32
embody
58:32
that
58:33
for
58:33
us
58:33
to
58:33
believe
58:34
it's
58:34
real?
58:35
So
58:36
I
58:36
think
58:36
that
58:37
is
58:37
a
58:37
class,
58:38
gender,
58:39
racial
58:39
and
58:39
ethnic
58:40
balance
58:41
which
58:42
I
58:42
think
58:42
that
58:42
we're
58:42
seeing
58:42
here
58:43
this
58:43
weekend.
58:45
You
58:46
got
58:46
something
58:46
else
58:46
to
58:46
say?
58:49
Yes,
58:49
he
58:49
did
58:49
it.
58:51
No,
58:51
I.
58:52
I
58:52
knew
58:52
100%,
58:53
like
58:53
a
58:53
couple
58:53
questions
58:54
you
58:54
guys
58:54
asked
58:55
like
58:55
that,
58:55
but
58:55
I
58:55
do.
58:55
I
58:56
don't
58:56
know
58:56
if
58:56
we
58:56
want
58:56
to
58:56
take
58:57
some.
58:57
Some
58:57
thoughts
58:58
from
58:58
out
58:58
there,
58:58
if
58:59
there's
58:59
a
58:59
point
59:00
that
59:00
resonated
59:00
with
59:00
you
59:00
or
59:01
a
59:01
question
59:01
you're
59:02
want
59:02
to
59:02
ask.
59:03
You
59:03
got
59:03
a
59:03
hand
59:04
in
59:04
the
59:04
back.
59:06
So
59:06
forgive
59:06
you
59:06
for
59:07
hearing
59:07
this
59:07
wrong,
59:07
but
59:07
it
59:08
sounds
59:08
to
59:08
me
59:08
that
59:08
you
59:08
guys
59:09
are
59:09
saying
59:09
that
59:09
the.
59:10
The
59:10
blues
59:10
are
59:10
the.
59:11
The
59:11
groaning
59:12
of
59:12
the
59:12
community
59:13
in
59:13
this
59:13
movie
59:14
culture.
59:15
I
59:15
want
59:16
to
59:16
know
59:16
what
59:16
groaning
59:17
do
59:17
you
59:17
hear
59:17
today?
59:18
What
59:18
does
59:18
that
59:18
sound
59:19
like.
59:21
Specifically
59:21
music.
59:23
To
59:23
listen
59:23
to,
59:23
but
59:24
yeah,
59:24
just
59:24
to
59:24
repeat
59:25
for
59:25
the
59:25
pot.
59:25
So
59:25
you're
59:26
saying,
59:26
if
59:27
I'm
59:27
repeating
59:27
correctly,
59:28
the
59:28
blues
59:29
represents
59:30
the
59:30
groaning
59:31
in
59:31
this
59:31
particular
59:31
movie.
59:32
And
59:33
if
59:33
we're
59:33
going
59:33
to
59:33
apply
59:33
that
59:33
to
59:34
what
59:34
we're
59:34
experiencing
59:35
today,
59:37
what
59:37
are
59:37
some
59:37
of
59:37
the
59:37
groanings
59:38
that
59:38
you
59:38
hear
59:38
or
59:39
experience
59:39
out
59:40
in
59:40
the
59:40
world
59:40
that
59:40
could
59:40
become
59:41
your
59:41
own
59:42
blues
59:43
song
59:43
or
59:44
being
59:45
resonated
59:45
or
59:45
played
59:46
out
59:46
into
59:46
the
59:46
world?
59:48
What
59:49
we're
59:49
grappling
59:49
with
59:50
here,
59:50
and
59:50
this
59:50
is.
59:50
Is
59:52
what
59:52
I
59:52
was
59:53
wrestling
59:53
with
59:54
in
59:54
terms
59:54
of.
59:55
And
59:55
once
59:55
again
59:55
lovingly
59:56
pushing
59:56
back
59:56
on
59:56
this
59:57
notion
59:57
about
59:59
syncretized
1:00:00
religion.
1:00:01
What
1:00:01
the
1:00:02
blues.
1:00:02
What
1:00:03
hip
1:00:03
hop,
1:00:04
what,
1:00:07
you
1:00:07
know.
1:00:08
You
1:00:08
know,
1:00:08
come
1:00:08
on
1:00:08
down
1:00:08
bad
1:00:09
bummy,
1:00:09
we're
1:00:09
waiting
1:00:10
for
1:00:10
you.
1:00:11
You
1:00:11
know,
1:00:12
great.
1:00:13
We're
1:00:13
going
1:00:13
to
1:00:13
be
1:00:14
hearing
1:00:14
especially,
1:00:16
you
1:00:16
know,
1:00:17
one
1:00:18
of
1:00:18
the
1:00:18
other
1:00:18
courses
1:00:19
I
1:00:19
teach
1:00:19
at
1:00:19
Vanderbilt
1:00:20
is
1:00:21
It's
1:00:21
been
1:00:21
a
1:00:21
minute,
1:00:21
but
1:00:22
race,
1:00:22
religion
1:00:23
and
1:00:23
protest
1:00:23
music.
1:00:24
And
1:00:25
one
1:00:25
of
1:00:25
the
1:00:25
things
1:00:26
that
1:00:26
I've
1:00:26
at
1:00:26
least
1:00:27
Landed
1:00:28
on,
1:00:28
you
1:00:28
know,
1:00:28
Stacy
1:00:29
and
1:00:29
I
1:00:29
also
1:00:29
teach
1:00:29
a
1:00:30
course
1:00:30
on
1:00:30
the
1:00:30
moral
1:00:30
philosophy
1:00:31
of
1:00:31
black
1:00:31
popular
1:00:32
culture.
1:00:32
So
1:00:33
this
1:00:33
is
1:00:33
all,
1:00:33
you
1:00:33
know,
1:00:34
all
1:00:34
in
1:00:34
the
1:00:35
mix.
1:00:36
You
1:00:36
know,
1:00:37
hard
1:00:37
times
1:00:38
make
1:00:38
for
1:00:38
great
1:00:39
music,
1:00:39
right?
1:00:39
And
1:00:40
I
1:00:40
think,
1:00:40
you
1:00:40
know,
1:00:41
if,
1:00:41
you
1:00:42
know,
1:00:42
if
1:00:42
the
1:00:42
past
1:00:43
is
1:00:43
prologue,
1:00:44
we're
1:00:44
about
1:00:44
to
1:00:44
witness
1:00:45
an
1:00:45
unveiling
1:00:46
and
1:00:46
an
1:00:46
unleashing
1:00:47
of
1:00:47
music
1:00:47
that
1:00:48
we
1:00:48
haven't
1:00:48
imagined
1:00:49
yet,
1:00:49
right?
1:00:50
But
1:00:51
because
1:00:51
the
1:00:51
issue
1:00:52
is
1:00:52
that
1:00:53
in
1:00:53
this
1:00:54
authoritarian
1:00:55
age,
1:00:55
the
1:00:55
artist
1:00:56
is
1:00:56
going
1:00:56
to
1:00:56
have
1:00:56
to
1:00:57
do
1:00:57
what
1:00:57
we
1:00:58
have
1:00:58
not
1:00:58
been
1:00:58
able
1:00:59
to
1:00:59
do
1:00:59
for
1:00:59
ourselves.
1:01:01
Reimagine
1:01:01
a
1:01:02
world,
1:01:02
remake
1:01:03
a
1:01:03
world.
1:01:03
And
1:01:03
this
1:01:03
goes
1:01:04
back
1:01:04
to
1:01:04
something
1:01:04
that
1:01:05
Kelly
1:01:05
was
1:01:05
saying
1:01:05
on
1:01:06
yesterday.
1:01:06
Open
1:01:07
the
1:01:07
space
1:01:07
of
1:01:07
the
1:01:08
imaginary
1:01:09
and
1:01:09
make
1:01:09
it
1:01:09
possible.
1:01:12
This
1:01:12
might
1:01:12
be
1:01:12
a
1:01:13
little
1:01:13
bit
1:01:13
off
1:01:13
book,
1:01:13
but
1:01:13
I'm
1:01:14
going
1:01:14
to
1:01:14
go
1:01:14
there.
1:01:15
We're
1:01:16
within
1:01:16
the
1:01:16
70th
1:01:17
anniversary
1:01:18
of
1:01:18
the
1:01:18
start
1:01:18
of
1:01:18
the
1:01:18
Montgomery
1:01:19
bus
1:01:19
boycott
1:01:20
and
1:01:22
the
1:01:22
kickoff
1:01:23
sermon
1:01:23
that
1:01:23
Dr.
1:01:23
King
1:01:24
gives
1:01:24
at
1:01:24
Holt
1:01:25
Street
1:01:25
Baptist
1:01:26
Church
1:01:26
on
1:01:27
December
1:01:28
5,
1:01:28
1955.
1:01:29
He
1:01:29
offers
1:01:30
up
1:01:30
this
1:01:30
statement,
1:01:31
there
1:01:31
comes
1:01:31
a
1:01:32
time.
1:01:32
There
1:01:32
comes
1:01:32
a
1:01:33
time.
1:01:34
I'm
1:01:34
not
1:01:34
going
1:01:34
to
1:01:34
do
1:01:34
a
1:01:34
King
1:01:35
impersonation
1:01:35
yet,
1:01:36
not
1:01:36
even
1:01:36
if
1:01:37
you
1:01:37
paid
1:01:37
me.
1:01:39
But
1:01:39
part
1:01:39
of
1:01:40
his
1:01:40
statement,
1:01:40
there
1:01:41
is,
1:01:41
there
1:01:42
comes
1:01:42
a
1:01:42
time
1:01:42
when
1:01:43
people
1:01:43
are
1:01:43
done
1:01:44
with
1:01:44
oppression,
1:01:44
done
1:01:45
with
1:01:45
that.
1:01:46
This.
1:01:47
If
1:01:47
we
1:01:47
are
1:01:47
wrong,
1:01:48
right?
1:01:48
And
1:01:48
then
1:01:48
he
1:01:48
goes
1:01:49
into
1:01:49
this
1:01:49
refrain,
1:01:49
if
1:01:50
we
1:01:50
are
1:01:50
wrong,
1:01:50
then
1:01:50
the
1:01:51
Constitution
1:01:51
is
1:01:51
a
1:01:51
lie,
1:01:52
right?
1:01:52
And
1:01:53
then
1:01:53
if
1:01:53
we
1:01:53
were
1:01:54
wrong,
1:01:54
Jesus
1:01:55
was
1:01:55
nothing
1:01:55
more
1:01:55
than
1:01:55
a
1:01:56
utopian
1:01:56
dreamer,
1:01:57
right?
1:01:58
And
1:01:58
that
1:01:58
line
1:01:58
always
1:01:59
kind
1:01:59
of,
1:01:59
you
1:01:59
know,
1:02:00
digs
1:02:00
a
1:02:01
little
1:02:01
sharp
1:02:02
blade
1:02:02
in
1:02:02
me,
1:02:02
right?
1:02:03
Because
1:02:03
the
1:02:03
idea
1:02:04
that
1:02:04
when
1:02:04
did
1:02:04
utopia
1:02:05
become
1:02:05
a
1:02:05
bad
1:02:05
or
1:02:06
dirty
1:02:06
word
1:02:08
even,
1:02:08
you
1:02:08
know,
1:02:08
coming
1:02:09
off
1:02:09
the
1:02:09
lips
1:02:09
of
1:02:09
Dr.
1:02:10
King,
1:02:10
right?
1:02:10
You
1:02:10
know,
1:02:11
the
1:02:11
man
1:02:11
who
1:02:11
is,
1:02:11
you
1:02:12
know,
1:02:12
not
1:02:12
known
1:02:12
globally
1:02:13
for
1:02:13
I
1:02:14
have
1:02:14
a
1:02:14
Dream.
1:02:15
But
1:02:15
the
1:02:15
idea
1:02:15
of
1:02:15
what
1:02:16
he
1:02:16
was
1:02:16
trying
1:02:16
to
1:02:16
do
1:02:16
via
1:02:17
Negativa
1:02:18
is
1:02:18
trying
1:02:18
to
1:02:18
say
1:02:19
in
1:02:20
the
1:02:20
world
1:02:20
out
1:02:20
there.
1:02:20
Now
1:02:20
I'm
1:02:21
going
1:02:21
to
1:02:21
mix
1:02:21
King
1:02:21
with
1:02:22
Toni
1:02:22
Morrison
1:02:23
out
1:02:23
there,
1:02:23
you
1:02:23
know,
1:02:24
Baby
1:02:24
Suggs
1:02:25
sermon,
1:02:25
right?
1:02:25
You
1:02:26
know,
1:02:26
over
1:02:26
there,
1:02:27
they
1:02:27
don't
1:02:27
love
1:02:27
this
1:02:28
flesh
1:02:28
out
1:02:28
there,
1:02:29
they
1:02:29
don't
1:02:29
love,
1:02:30
you
1:02:30
know,
1:02:30
your
1:02:30
unused
1:02:31
neck,
1:02:32
right?
1:02:32
To
1:02:33
imagine
1:02:33
a
1:02:33
realm
1:02:34
of
1:02:34
possibility
1:02:35
where
1:02:35
your
1:02:36
humanity
1:02:36
is
1:02:37
not
1:02:37
a
1:02:37
mockery,
1:02:39
a
1:02:39
joke
1:02:39
or
1:02:40
a
1:02:40
slander,
1:02:41
but
1:02:41
it's
1:02:41
actually
1:02:41
God's
1:02:42
gift
1:02:43
to
1:02:43
the
1:02:43
world.
1:02:44
And
1:02:45
that
1:02:45
is
1:02:45
what
1:02:45
black
1:02:46
religion
1:02:47
and
1:02:47
then
1:02:48
not
1:02:48
just
1:02:48
a
1:02:48
syncretized
1:02:49
fashion.
1:02:49
Because
1:02:50
let's
1:02:50
think
1:02:50
about
1:02:50
this,
1:02:51
right?
1:02:51
Nowhere
1:02:52
in
1:02:52
the
1:02:52
Bible
1:02:52
that
1:02:52
I've
1:02:53
read,
1:02:53
you
1:02:53
know,
1:02:53
cover
1:02:54
to
1:02:54
cover
1:02:54
and
1:02:54
everything
1:02:55
in
1:02:55
between
1:02:56
is
1:02:56
there
1:02:57
a
1:02:57
magical
1:02:57
bunny
1:02:58
that
1:02:58
poops
1:02:58
jelly
1:02:59
beans
1:02:59
or
1:03:00
hard
1:03:00
boiled
1:03:01
painted
1:03:01
eggs.
1:03:01
And
1:03:02
nowhere
1:03:02
in
1:03:02
that
1:03:02
Bible
1:03:03
is
1:03:03
there
1:03:03
a
1:03:03
jolly
1:03:04
fat
1:03:04
man
1:03:04
that
1:03:04
slides
1:03:05
down
1:03:05
your
1:03:05
chimney
1:03:05
and
1:03:06
gives
1:03:06
you
1:03:06
Gifts
1:03:06
because
1:03:07
you
1:03:07
didn't
1:03:07
deserve
1:03:07
them.
1:03:08
Nowhere
1:03:08
in
1:03:08
that
1:03:08
Bible
1:03:09
is
1:03:09
there
1:03:09
a
1:03:09
Saint
1:03:09
Patric
1:03:10
turn
1:03:10
beer
1:03:11
green.
1:03:11
I
1:03:11
mean,
1:03:14
many
1:03:14
of
1:03:14
our
1:03:15
greatest
1:03:15
traditions
1:03:16
and
1:03:16
our
1:03:16
faith
1:03:17
practices
1:03:17
are
1:03:18
syncretized,
1:03:18
but
1:03:19
it's
1:03:19
only
1:03:20
a
1:03:20
slander
1:03:20
or
1:03:21
mockery
1:03:21
when
1:03:21
it's
1:03:22
attached
1:03:22
to
1:03:23
black
1:03:23
bodies
1:03:23
and
1:03:24
black
1:03:24
hope
1:03:25
and
1:03:25
black
1:03:25
freedom.
1:03:26
So
1:03:27
part
1:03:27
of
1:03:27
what
1:03:27
we
1:03:27
wrestle
1:03:28
with
1:03:28
about
1:03:29
syncretism
1:03:29
or
1:03:29
the
1:03:30
syncretized
1:03:30
is
1:03:31
really
1:03:32
mainstream
1:03:33
or
1:03:33
mainline
1:03:33
religions
1:03:34
wanting
1:03:34
a
1:03:34
sanitized
1:03:35
faith
1:03:36
domesticated.
1:03:37
Yeah,
1:03:37
yeah.
1:03:37
Tame,
1:03:38
right?
1:03:39
Yeah,
1:03:39
yeah.
1:03:40
Neutered.
1:03:41
Some
1:03:41
people
1:03:41
might
1:03:42
say
1:03:43
we
1:03:43
got
1:03:43
to
1:03:43
have
1:03:44
a
1:03:44
wild,
1:03:44
unruly
1:03:45
faith,
1:03:45
and
1:03:46
art
1:03:46
helps
1:03:47
us
1:03:47
get
1:03:47
to
1:03:47
that.
1:03:48
Yeah.
1:03:48
So
1:03:49
can
1:03:49
I.
1:03:49
Yeah.
1:03:49
I
1:03:50
would
1:03:50
just
1:03:50
add
1:03:50
Kendrick
1:03:50
Lamar.
1:03:51
Yay.
1:03:52
Tupac.
1:03:54
You
1:03:54
know,
1:03:54
maybe
1:03:54
Cardi
1:03:55
on
1:03:55
a
1:03:55
good
1:03:55
day.
1:03:59
You
1:03:59
know,
1:04:00
one.
1:04:01
Because
1:04:01
I'm
1:04:01
gonna
1:04:01
say
1:04:01
somebody
1:04:02
else.
1:04:02
But
1:04:02
yes,
1:04:02
Kendrick.
1:04:03
I
1:04:03
love
1:04:03
Kendrick
1:04:04
Lamar.
1:04:05
And,
1:04:06
you
1:04:06
know,
1:04:06
the
1:04:06
thing
1:04:07
about
1:04:07
art
1:04:08
and
1:04:08
black
1:04:09
art,
1:04:09
but
1:04:11
in
1:04:11
particular
1:04:11
in
1:04:12
this.
1:04:12
In
1:04:13
this
1:04:13
instance
1:04:13
in
1:04:13
which
1:04:14
we're
1:04:14
speaking,
1:04:14
there
1:04:15
has
1:04:15
always
1:04:16
been
1:04:18
an
1:04:18
arts
1:04:19
movement
1:04:20
that
1:04:20
has
1:04:22
prefigured
1:04:23
in
1:04:23
many
1:04:23
ways
1:04:24
and
1:04:24
opened
1:04:24
up,
1:04:25
as
1:04:25
I
1:04:25
call
1:04:25
it,
1:04:25
the
1:04:26
moral
1:04:26
imaginary,
1:04:27
art,
1:04:27
as,
1:04:28
you
1:04:28
know,
1:04:28
some
1:04:28
have
1:04:28
called
1:04:29
it
1:04:29
art
1:04:30
as
1:04:30
protest.
1:04:31
James
1:04:31
Weldon
1:04:32
Johnson
1:04:33
talked
1:04:33
about
1:04:33
art
1:04:34
as
1:04:34
that
1:04:34
which
1:04:35
would
1:04:35
in.
1:04:35
Enable
1:04:35
us
1:04:36
to
1:04:37
talk
1:04:37
about
1:04:37
race
1:04:38
through
1:04:38
art.
1:04:39
So
1:04:40
there's
1:04:40
always
1:04:40
been,
1:04:41
whether
1:04:41
we're
1:04:41
talking
1:04:41
about
1:04:41
the
1:04:42
new
1:04:42
Negro
1:04:42
movement
1:04:43
to
1:04:43
the
1:04:43
Harlem
1:04:44
Renaissance,
1:04:45
whether
1:04:45
we're
1:04:45
talking
1:04:46
about
1:04:46
the
1:04:46
black
1:04:47
arts
1:04:47
movement
1:04:48
of
1:04:48
the
1:04:49
1960s,
1:04:50
and
1:04:50
whether
1:04:51
we're
1:04:51
talking
1:04:51
about
1:04:52
the
1:04:52
arts
1:04:53
movement
1:04:53
that
1:04:53
emerges,
1:04:54
prefigures,
1:04:55
black
1:04:55
lives
1:04:55
matter,
1:04:56
and
1:04:56
moves
1:04:56
through
1:04:57
it
1:04:57
and
1:04:57
defines
1:04:57
it
1:04:58
in
1:04:58
so
1:04:58
many.
1:04:58
There's
1:04:59
all
1:04:59
because
1:04:59
art
1:05:00
allows
1:05:00
us
1:05:01
to
1:05:02
transcend
1:05:04
the
1:05:04
finite
1:05:06
language
1:05:06
of
1:05:07
words.
1:05:07
Words.
1:05:07
And
1:05:08
it
1:05:08
allows
1:05:09
us.
1:05:09
I
1:05:09
always
1:05:09
say,
1:05:09
the
1:05:10
artist
1:05:10
has,
1:05:10
like,
1:05:10
that
1:05:11
third
1:05:11
eye.
1:05:11
Yeah,
1:05:12
yeah.
1:05:12
That
1:05:12
allows
1:05:13
us
1:05:13
to
1:05:14
capture
1:05:14
worlds
1:05:15
that
1:05:15
we
1:05:15
can
1:05:15
otherwise
1:05:16
not
1:05:16
capture.
1:05:17
That's
1:05:18
why
1:05:18
folks
1:05:18
like
1:05:19
Morrison,
1:05:19
Baldwin,
1:05:20
Alvin
1:05:20
Ailey.
1:05:21
Oh,
1:05:21
my
1:05:21
God.
1:05:22
Have
1:05:22
you.
1:05:23
I
1:05:23
mean,
1:05:23
if
1:05:23
you
1:05:24
haven't
1:05:24
seen
1:05:24
the.
1:05:25
The
1:05:25
tribute
1:05:25
to
1:05:26
Judith
1:05:26
Jamison,
1:05:27
you
1:05:27
gotta
1:05:28
see
1:05:28
it.
1:05:28
Stream
1:05:29
it.
1:05:30
Alvin
1:05:30
Ailey
1:05:31
and
1:05:31
dance.
1:05:32
Cry.
1:05:32
Yeah,
1:05:33
cry,
1:05:34
remember,
1:05:34
reflect.
1:05:35
I
1:05:35
mean,
1:05:35
these
1:05:36
people
1:05:36
are
1:05:36
taking
1:05:36
you
1:05:37
to
1:05:37
places
1:05:38
that
1:05:38
in
1:05:38
seeing
1:05:39
worlds,
1:05:39
you
1:05:39
can't
1:05:40
see.
1:05:40
So
1:05:41
art.
1:05:42
Art
1:05:42
is
1:05:42
significant.
1:05:43
And
1:05:43
there
1:05:43
has
1:05:44
always
1:05:44
been.
1:05:45
For
1:05:45
every
1:05:45
black
1:05:46
movement
1:05:46
toward
1:05:47
progress,
1:05:47
there's
1:05:47
always
1:05:48
been
1:05:48
a
1:05:48
black
1:05:48
arts
1:05:49
movement.
1:05:49
And
1:05:50
so
1:05:50
I
1:05:50
say
1:05:50
that
1:05:51
we're
1:05:51
sitting
1:05:51
here
1:05:51
talking
1:05:52
about
1:05:52
centers.
1:05:52
Where
1:05:52
do
1:05:53
you
1:05:53
see?
1:05:53
Would
1:05:54
you
1:05:54
see
1:05:54
it?
1:05:54
These
1:05:55
people
1:05:55
are
1:05:55
making
1:05:55
these
1:05:56
movies.
1:05:57
They're
1:05:57
making
1:05:58
sinners.
1:05:58
We
1:05:59
can
1:05:59
say
1:05:59
things
1:05:59
in
1:06:00
art
1:06:00
form.
1:06:01
It's
1:06:01
like
1:06:01
the
1:06:01
safe
1:06:02
space,
1:06:02
you
1:06:02
know,
1:06:02
and
1:06:02
maybe
1:06:03
ice
1:06:03
won't
1:06:03
come
1:06:04
after
1:06:04
us,
1:06:04
at
1:06:04
least
1:06:04
not
1:06:07
so
1:06:07
art
1:06:07
allows
1:06:08
you
1:06:08
to
1:06:08
do
1:06:09
that.
1:06:09
And
1:06:09
black
1:06:10
artists,
1:06:10
the
1:06:11
blues,
1:06:11
the
1:06:11
spirituals,
1:06:12
they're
1:06:12
art.
1:06:13
You
1:06:13
know,
1:06:13
them
1:06:13
people
1:06:13
were
1:06:14
saying
1:06:14
in
1:06:14
the
1:06:14
blues
1:06:14
and
1:06:15
art,
1:06:15
they
1:06:15
couldn't
1:06:15
just
1:06:16
go
1:06:16
up
1:06:16
to
1:06:16
somebody
1:06:16
white
1:06:17
and
1:06:17
say
1:06:17
it.
1:06:17
But
1:06:17
they.
1:06:18
And
1:06:18
white
1:06:18
people
1:06:18
didn't
1:06:19
understand
1:06:19
it
1:06:19
anyway
1:06:19
when
1:06:20
they
1:06:20
sang
1:06:20
it.
1:06:20
And
1:06:21
so.
1:06:21
But
1:06:21
art
1:06:21
has
1:06:22
always
1:06:22
been
1:06:23
that
1:06:23
vehicle.
1:06:23
I
1:06:24
mean,
1:06:24
that.
1:06:24
It's
1:06:24
been
1:06:25
that
1:06:25
space,
1:06:25
and
1:06:26
it's
1:06:26
also
1:06:26
been
1:06:26
that
1:06:27
place
1:06:27
to
1:06:27
open
1:06:27
us
1:06:28
up
1:06:28
to
1:06:28
otherwise
1:06:30
possibilities.
1:06:31
The
1:06:32
other.
1:06:32
So
1:06:33
dance,
1:06:33
et
1:06:33
cetera.
1:06:35
There
1:06:35
was
1:06:35
one
1:06:35
last
1:06:36
point.
1:06:36
And
1:06:36
when
1:06:37
you
1:06:37
get
1:06:37
old,
1:06:38
you
1:06:38
forget
1:06:38
the
1:06:39
point.
1:06:40
Even
1:06:40
when
1:06:40
they
1:06:40
walk.
1:06:40
Even
1:06:41
when
1:06:41
you're
1:06:41
walking
1:06:42
into
1:06:42
the
1:06:42
pantry
1:06:43
with
1:06:43
the
1:06:43
bowl.
1:06:46
But,
1:06:46
oh,
1:06:46
the
1:06:47
artist.
1:06:47
And
1:06:47
I'd
1:06:48
say
1:06:48
that.
1:06:48
That
1:06:48
I
1:06:49
would
1:06:49
bring
1:06:50
to
1:06:50
the
1:06:50
table.
1:06:50
And
1:06:50
I
1:06:51
don't
1:06:51
want
1:06:51
to
1:06:51
say
1:06:51
something
1:06:52
about
1:06:52
her.
1:06:53
This
1:06:53
last
1:06:54
concert
1:06:54
is
1:06:54
what
1:06:55
Beyonce
1:06:55
does
1:06:56
in
1:06:56
concert.
1:06:58
If
1:06:58
you
1:06:58
saw
1:06:58
Cowboy
1:06:59
Carter,
1:07:00
that
1:07:00
concert.
1:07:01
Anyone
1:07:01
see
1:07:01
that
1:07:02
Cowboy
1:07:02
Carter
1:07:02
concert,
1:07:03
what
1:07:03
she
1:07:04
had
1:07:04
moving
1:07:05
through
1:07:05
that
1:07:06
was
1:07:06
like,
1:07:06
oh,
1:07:07
my
1:07:07
God.
1:07:07
This
1:07:08
woman
1:07:09
saw
1:07:09
Renaissance
1:07:10
and
1:07:10
thought
1:07:10
that
1:07:11
was
1:07:11
great.
1:07:11
And
1:07:12
it
1:07:12
was.
1:07:12
But
1:07:12
when
1:07:12
I
1:07:13
saw
1:07:13
Cowboy
1:07:13
Carter,
1:07:14
she
1:07:14
has
1:07:15
the
1:07:15
ancestors
1:07:16
talking
1:07:17
all
1:07:17
through
1:07:17
the
1:07:18
thing.
1:07:18
She's
1:07:19
showing.
1:07:19
She's
1:07:20
showing
1:07:20
as
1:07:21
a
1:07:21
non
1:07:21
scholar,
1:07:22
as
1:07:23
a
1:07:23
non
1:07:23
clergy.
1:07:24
She
1:07:24
is
1:07:24
showing
1:07:25
on
1:07:25
the
1:07:26
back,
1:07:26
on
1:07:26
the
1:07:26
screen,
1:07:27
she
1:07:27
has
1:07:27
this
1:07:28
film
1:07:28
running
1:07:29
through,
1:07:29
showing
1:07:30
these
1:07:31
black
1:07:31
artists,
1:07:32
these
1:07:32
black
1:07:32
country
1:07:33
artists,
1:07:34
let
1:07:34
alone,
1:07:35
if
1:07:35
you
1:07:35
listen
1:07:35
to
1:07:35
what
1:07:36
she's
1:07:36
singing.
1:07:36
Yeah,
1:07:36
yeah,
1:07:37
yeah.
1:07:37
And
1:07:37
let
1:07:37
alone
1:07:38
that
1:07:38
this,
1:07:39
everyone.
1:07:39
Oh,
1:07:39
this
1:07:40
black
1:07:40
woman
1:07:41
doing
1:07:41
country
1:07:43
in
1:07:43
the
1:07:43
white
1:07:43
folks.
1:07:43
Why
1:07:44
is
1:07:44
she
1:07:44
taking
1:07:44
over
1:07:44
country?
1:07:45
Honey,
1:07:45
y'
1:07:45
all
1:07:45
took
1:07:45
over
1:07:46
country
1:07:46
from
1:07:46
us.
1:07:49
That's
1:07:49
what
1:07:49
the
1:07:50
blues.
1:07:50
That's
1:07:50
what
1:07:51
the
1:07:51
blues.
1:07:51
Help
1:07:51
us.
1:07:53
Help
1:07:53
us.
1:07:54
Let's
1:07:55
be
1:07:55
real.
1:07:55
And
1:07:56
Beyonce,
1:07:58
anything
1:07:59
that's
1:07:59
original
1:07:59
music
1:08:00
form
1:08:00
in
1:08:00
this
1:08:00
country
1:08:01
came
1:08:01
from
1:08:01
us.
1:08:02
And
1:08:02
so.
1:08:02
And
1:08:02
that's
1:08:03
true.
1:08:03
And
1:08:03
James
1:08:03
Weldon
1:08:04
Johnson
1:08:04
made
1:08:04
that
1:08:04
clear
1:08:05
a
1:08:05
long
1:08:05
time
1:08:05
ago.
1:08:05
Okay?
1:08:06
And
1:08:07
so
1:08:08
Beyonce,
1:08:09
to
1:08:09
me,
1:08:10
that's
1:08:11
why
1:08:11
power
1:08:12
doesn't
1:08:12
like
1:08:12
these
1:08:13
people.
1:08:13
That's
1:08:14
why
1:08:14
power
1:08:15
that
1:08:15
we
1:08:15
have
1:08:15
in
1:08:15
place.
1:08:16
Don't
1:08:16
like
1:08:16
Kendrick
1:08:17
Lamar.
1:08:17
That's
1:08:18
why.
1:08:18
Why
1:08:18
they
1:08:18
gonna
1:08:19
pick
1:08:19
on
1:08:19
Beyonce.
1:08:20
That's
1:08:20
why
1:08:20
they
1:08:20
don't
1:08:20
like
1:08:21
Beyonce.
1:08:21
That's
1:08:22
why.
1:08:22
I
1:08:22
liked
1:08:23
Bad
1:08:23
Bunny
1:08:23
before
1:08:24
Bad
1:08:24
Bunny
1:08:24
became
1:08:25
Bad
1:08:26
Bunny.
1:08:26
Like,
1:08:27
all
1:08:27
right.
1:08:28
I
1:08:28
mean,
1:08:28
I
1:08:28
like.
1:08:28
Cuz
1:08:29
I,
1:08:29
I
1:08:29
listen.
1:08:30
I
1:08:30
will
1:08:30
admit
1:08:31
that.
1:08:31
I.
1:08:31
I
1:08:32
ride
1:08:32
Peloton
1:08:33
all
1:08:33
the
1:08:33
time.
1:08:33
Okay?
1:08:34
Bunny
1:08:34
is
1:08:34
popular
1:08:35
on
1:08:35
Peloton,
1:08:35
so
1:08:36
I
1:08:36
was
1:08:36
first
1:08:36
mentioned.
1:08:37
He's
1:08:37
a
1:08:37
wiz
1:08:37
at
1:08:37
Zumba
1:08:38
too.
1:08:38
Okay.
1:08:46
He's
1:08:46
a
1:08:46
bad
1:08:46
Bunny.
1:08:47
We.
1:08:47
We
1:08:47
be
1:08:48
remiss
1:08:48
if
1:08:48
we
1:08:48
don't
1:08:48
mention
1:08:49
Prince
1:08:49
in
1:08:49
Minneapolis.
1:08:50
Hello.
1:08:51
He
1:08:51
did
1:08:51
that.
1:08:52
Amy,
1:08:53
I'm
1:08:53
talking
1:08:53
about
1:08:53
specifically
1:08:54
for
1:08:54
this,
1:08:55
about
1:08:55
the
1:08:55
artist,
1:08:55
especially
1:08:56
sign
1:08:56
of
1:08:56
the.
1:08:56
Times
1:08:57
when
1:08:57
he
1:08:57
talks
1:08:58
about
1:08:58
Saw
1:08:59
things
1:08:59
before.
1:08:59
That's
1:09:00
right,
1:09:00
yo.
1:09:01
Right,
1:09:01
right,
1:09:01
right.
1:09:02
No,
1:09:02
he's
1:09:02
cheap.
1:09:02
Respect.
1:09:03
Stacy
1:09:03
did
1:09:04
mention.
1:09:04
I
1:09:04
want
1:09:04
to
1:09:04
acknowledge
1:09:05
Stacy.
1:09:07
Right,
1:09:07
right.
1:09:07
But
1:09:08
see
1:09:08
how
1:09:08
the
1:09:08
women
1:09:08
get
1:09:08
written
1:09:09
out
1:09:09
of
1:09:09
his
1:09:09
stuff.
1:09:10
Oh,
1:09:10
my
1:09:10
gosh.
1:09:12
Not
1:09:12
counting
1:09:13
the
1:09:13
women
1:09:13
and
1:09:13
children.
1:09:14
Okay,
1:09:14
here
1:09:14
we
1:09:15
go.
1:09:17
Not
1:09:17
in
1:09:18
karaoke.
1:09:18
No,
1:09:19
I'm
1:09:19
just.
1:09:20
I've
1:09:20
reconnected
1:09:21
it
1:09:21
to
1:09:21
this
1:09:21
specific
1:09:22
question.
1:09:22
That
1:09:22
was
1:09:22
a
1:09:22
different
1:09:23
question.
1:09:24
Yeah,
1:09:24
go
1:09:24
ahead.
1:09:25
Yeah.
1:09:26
Paisley
1:09:27
Park.
1:09:27
All
1:09:28
right.
1:09:28
Went
1:09:28
to
1:09:28
Ohio
1:09:29
on
1:09:29
his
1:09:29
own
1:09:31
from
1:09:31
Ohio.
1:09:34
But
1:09:34
yeah.
1:09:35
Who
1:09:35
knew
1:09:36
you
1:09:36
were
1:09:36
going
1:09:36
to
1:09:36
get
1:09:36
a
1:09:37
sermon
1:09:38
on
1:09:38
your
1:09:38
question?
1:09:39
Yeah,
1:09:39
great.
1:09:39
Love
1:09:40
it.
1:09:40
We're
1:09:40
out
1:09:40
of
1:09:40
time,
1:09:40
but
1:09:41
I
1:09:41
can
1:09:41
just
1:09:41
say
1:09:41
that
1:09:41
this
1:09:41
is
1:09:42
everything
1:09:42
I
1:09:42
wanted
1:09:43
in
1:09:43
this.
1:09:46
Can
1:09:46
I.
1:09:47
Since
1:09:47
we
1:09:47
have
1:09:48
two
1:09:48
minutes
1:09:48
and
1:09:48
I'm
1:09:49
about
1:09:49
this,
1:09:49
I
1:09:49
just
1:09:50
want
1:09:50
to
1:09:50
make
1:09:50
a
1:09:50
little
1:09:50
homage,
1:09:51
first
1:09:52
of
1:09:52
all,
1:09:52
to
1:09:52
this
1:09:52
group
1:09:53
and
1:09:53
really
1:09:53
to
1:09:53
Trip
1:09:54
Fuller.
1:09:54
Yeah,
1:09:54
yeah,
1:09:55
yeah.
1:09:55
Who
1:09:56
God
1:09:57
works
1:09:57
in
1:09:57
mysterious
1:09:58
ways.
1:09:58
And
1:09:59
we
1:09:59
never
1:09:59
know
1:10:00
the
1:10:00
vessel
1:10:01
that
1:10:01
we
1:10:01
are.
1:10:02
I
1:10:02
mean,
1:10:02
whether
1:10:02
we're
1:10:03
talking
1:10:03
about
1:10:03
Trip,
1:10:03
whether
1:10:04
we're
1:10:04
talking
1:10:04
about
1:10:04
Amy,
1:10:05
whether
1:10:05
we're
1:10:05
talking
1:10:05
about
1:10:06
Lee,
1:10:06
who
1:10:06
is
1:10:06
the
1:10:07
most
1:10:07
proud
1:10:07
member
1:10:07
of
1:10:08
the
1:10:08
NAACP
1:10:09
up
1:10:09
in
1:10:09
here
1:10:09
in
1:10:10
this
1:10:10
white
1:10:10
form,
1:10:10
or
1:10:11
any
1:10:11
of
1:10:11
these
1:10:11
people
1:10:12
on
1:10:12
this
1:10:12
panel,
1:10:13
as
1:10:13
a
1:10:13
mother,
1:10:14
as
1:10:14
a
1:10:14
mother
1:10:14
representing
1:10:15
mothers,
1:10:16
as
1:10:16
part
1:10:17
of.
1:10:18
As.
1:10:18
This
1:10:19
panel
1:10:19
comes
1:10:19
as
1:10:19
far
1:10:20
by
1:10:20
faith,
1:10:20
which
1:10:20
means
1:10:20
we've
1:10:21
come
1:10:21
this
1:10:21
far
1:10:21
by
1:10:21
family,
1:10:22
and
1:10:23
it's
1:10:23
our
1:10:23
family
1:10:23
who's
1:10:24
given
1:10:24
us
1:10:24
our
1:10:24
faith.
1:10:25
I
1:10:25
want
1:10:25
to
1:10:26
leave
1:10:26
for
1:10:27
you
1:10:27
all
1:10:27
as
1:10:28
a
1:10:28
benediction
1:10:30
that's
1:10:30
become
1:10:32
an
1:10:32
assembly,
1:10:32
a
1:10:33
hush
1:10:33
harbor
1:10:33
family.
1:10:34
When
1:10:35
I
1:10:35
gave
1:10:35
to
1:10:36
my
1:10:36
daughter
1:10:37
in
1:10:37
a
1:10:37
letter,
1:10:37
my
1:10:38
daughter
1:10:38
who's
1:10:38
on
1:10:38
the
1:10:38
front
1:10:39
row,
1:10:39
who
1:10:40
has
1:10:40
been
1:10:40
vexed
1:10:41
and
1:10:42
victimized
1:10:43
by
1:10:43
being
1:10:43
here
1:10:43
on
1:10:44
her
1:10:44
spring
1:10:44
fall
1:10:45
break
1:10:45
with
1:10:45
her
1:10:45
parents.
1:10:46
And
1:10:47
she's
1:10:47
ashamed
1:10:47
to
1:10:47
realize
1:10:48
her
1:10:48
father
1:10:48
is
1:10:49
the
1:10:49
geek
1:10:49
and
1:10:49
the
1:10:49
nerd
1:10:50
that
1:10:50
he
1:10:50
is.
1:10:50
But
1:10:50
her
1:10:50
mother's
1:10:51
yet
1:10:51
cool.
1:10:53
She
1:10:54
wants
1:10:54
to
1:10:54
be
1:10:54
a
1:10:54
film
1:10:55
writer.
1:10:57
She
1:10:57
wants
1:10:57
to
1:10:58
be
1:10:59
a
1:10:59
screenwriter.
1:11:01
And
1:11:01
she
1:11:01
said,
1:11:01
and
1:11:02
if
1:11:02
that
1:11:02
doesn't
1:11:02
work
1:11:03
out,
1:11:03
you
1:11:03
know,
1:11:03
maybe
1:11:04
on
1:11:04
the
1:11:04
side,
1:11:04
I'll
1:11:05
teach
1:11:05
just
1:11:05
to
1:11:05
pay
1:11:05
the
1:11:06
bills.
1:11:06
I
1:11:06
said,
1:11:06
I
1:11:06
want
1:11:06
you
1:11:07
to
1:11:07
remember
1:11:07
that
1:11:08
that
1:11:09
is
1:11:09
what
1:11:09
we
1:11:09
do.
1:11:09
We
1:11:09
teach
1:11:09
the.
1:11:10
And
1:11:10
I
1:11:10
told
1:11:10
her
1:11:11
when
1:11:12
at
1:11:12
the
1:11:12
Beginning
1:11:12
of
1:11:13
her
1:11:13
11th
1:11:13
grade
1:11:13
year,
1:11:14
these
1:11:14
words
1:11:14
I
1:11:14
was.
1:11:15
She
1:11:15
doesn't
1:11:15
think
1:11:16
I
1:11:16
pay.
1:11:16
ATT
1:11:16
mentioned
1:11:16
because
1:11:17
she
1:11:17
and
1:11:17
her
1:11:17
father
1:11:17
geek
1:11:17
out
1:11:18
with
1:11:18
popular
1:11:18
culture
1:11:19
more
1:11:19
than
1:11:19
I
1:11:19
did.
1:11:20
And
1:11:20
I
1:11:20
listed
1:11:21
a
1:11:21
lot
1:11:21
of
1:11:21
movies,
1:11:22
a
1:11:22
lot
1:11:22
of
1:11:22
comics,
1:11:23
and
1:11:24
the
1:11:24
last
1:11:24
one
1:11:25
I
1:11:25
gave
1:11:25
her
1:11:25
was
1:11:25
Sinners.
1:11:26
I
1:11:27
said,
1:11:27
remember
1:11:27
Sinners,
1:11:29
which
1:11:29
was
1:11:29
a
1:11:30
movie
1:11:30
that
1:11:30
showed
1:11:31
you
1:11:31
how
1:11:31
to
1:11:31
remember
1:11:31
the
1:11:32
stride
1:11:32
towards
1:11:32
freedom,
1:11:34
personal
1:11:35
joy,
1:11:36
and
1:11:36
cultural
1:11:36
pride.
1:11:37
That
1:11:38
there
1:11:38
are
1:11:38
dynamics
1:11:39
are
1:11:39
always
1:11:39
being
1:11:40
threatened
1:11:41
by
1:11:41
the
1:11:41
illusion
1:11:42
and
1:11:42
dangers
1:11:43
of
1:11:43
unchecked
1:11:43
power,
1:11:44
whether
1:11:44
through
1:11:45
financial
1:11:45
or
1:11:45
supernatural
1:11:47
means.
1:11:48
Don't
1:11:48
fall
1:11:48
into
1:11:48
the
1:11:49
trap,
1:11:49
Lillian,
1:11:50
of
1:11:50
blurring
1:11:51
reality
1:11:53
by
1:11:53
living
1:11:53
in
1:11:53
other
1:11:54
people's
1:11:54
false
1:11:54
promises
1:11:56
and
1:11:56
projections
1:11:57
that
1:11:57
become
1:11:58
prisons
1:12:00
inhabited
1:12:00
by
1:12:01
dreamlike
1:12:01
sequences
1:12:02
and
1:12:03
supernatural
1:12:03
elements
1:12:04
that
1:12:04
blur
1:12:04
the
1:12:05
lines
1:12:05
between
1:12:05
a
1:12:05
reality
1:12:06
and
1:12:06
imagination,
1:12:08
challenging
1:12:08
you
1:12:09
to
1:12:09
question
1:12:09
the
1:12:09
nature
1:12:10
of
1:12:10
truth,
1:12:11
perception,
1:12:12
lies
1:12:13
or
1:12:13
legacies.
1:12:14
Keep
1:12:15
the
1:12:16
God
1:12:17
that
1:12:17
was
1:12:17
birthed
1:12:18
in
1:12:18
you
1:12:19
in
1:12:19
you.
1:12:20
Don't
1:12:20
invite
1:12:21
the
1:12:21
devils
1:12:22
in
1:12:23
to
1:12:23
confuse
1:12:24
you,
1:12:24
confound
1:12:25
you,
1:12:26
kiss
1:12:27
you
1:12:28
or
1:12:28
bite
1:12:28
you.
1:12:29
Hold
1:12:30
fast
1:12:30
to
1:12:30
keeping
1:12:30
your
1:12:31
faith,
1:12:31
informing
1:12:32
your
1:12:32
gifts
1:12:32
to
1:12:33
bring
1:12:33
humanity
1:12:34
harmony
1:12:35
and
1:12:35
hope
1:12:35
to
1:12:36
that
1:12:36
which
1:12:36
is
1:12:36
already
1:12:37
divine
1:12:38
within
1:12:39
you.
1:12:40
Don't
1:12:40
let
1:12:40
stacking
1:12:41
up
1:12:41
wealth
1:12:43
or
1:12:43
the
1:12:43
smoke
1:12:44
of
1:12:44
ambiguity
1:12:45
compromise
1:12:46
the
1:12:46
depth
1:12:46
of
1:12:46
your
1:12:47
faith,
1:12:48
of
1:12:48
your
1:12:48
beauty
1:12:49
and
1:12:49
the
1:12:50
affirmation
1:12:50
of
1:12:51
your
1:12:51
health
1:12:52
and
1:12:52
your
1:12:52
holy
1:12:53
human
1:12:54
experience.
1:12:56
My
1:12:57
love
1:12:57
to
1:12:57
my
1:12:57
daughter
1:12:58
is
1:12:58
a
1:12:58
gift
1:12:59
that
1:13:00
I
1:13:00
revealed
1:13:00
to
1:13:00
you
1:13:00
all.
1:13:01
We
1:13:02
already
1:13:02
have
1:13:02
it.
1:13:04
Don't
1:13:04
let.
1:13:04
Don't
1:13:04
stack
1:13:05
it
1:13:05
up
1:13:06
because
1:13:06
you
1:13:07
won't
1:13:07
be
1:13:07
able
1:13:07
to
1:13:07
tap
1:13:07
into
1:13:08
it.
1:13:09
And
1:13:09
please
1:13:09
don't
1:13:09
let
1:13:10
it
1:13:10
go
1:13:10
up
1:13:10
in
1:13:10
smoke.
1:13:11
All
1:13:11
right?
1:13:13
Hey.