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Chief Minister Natasha Fyles says 60 per cent of youth who go through diversion will not reoffend · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: So we know the Federal government has indeed announced that
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory is set to receive two point five
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Speaker 1: billion dollars for infrastructure in the federal government's first budget.
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Speaker 1: So it is ahead of the budget's release on October
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Speaker 1: twenty five, the Federal government has revealed details on this
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Speaker 1: cash splash. More than half of it's going to be
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Speaker 1: spent on the Middle Arm industrial precinct. Now, the Chief
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Speaker 1: Minister usually joins us every fortnight, but has given us
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Speaker 1: some extra time this week and she joins me on
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Speaker 1: the line right now, Natasha Files, good morning to you.
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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, two point five billion dollars for infrastructure
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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory is what the Federal government has
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Speaker 1: ear marked.
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Speaker 3: What exactly is it going to be invested in?
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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, and we certainly welcome this significant investment into
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Speaker 2: key infrastructure projects in the territory. This is something that
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Speaker 2: we have been working on for some time. A lot
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Speaker 2: of planning has gone into it and it will support
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Speaker 2: the development of new and emerging industries. Katie's so you
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Speaker 2: often hear from me talking about diversifying the economy, not
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Speaker 2: putting everything into to one project and so we've got
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Speaker 2: projects the Middle Arm Sustainable Hub out there. We want
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Speaker 2: to develop things such as green hydrogen. So this is
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Speaker 2: a really exciting announcement.
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Speaker 1: So what exactly are we going to see out there
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Speaker 1: at Middle Arm because I guess a lot of people
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Speaker 1: wondering whether it's a second port.
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Speaker 2: No, Okatie, it's not a second port, and there was confusion.
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Speaker 2: It will have access for vessels because if we're making things,
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Speaker 2: we want to be able to export it, but it
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Speaker 2: won't be our second port like support of Darwin. It'll
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Speaker 2: be like what you see with the jetties that go
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Speaker 2: out servicing some of the already existing infrastructure will be
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Speaker 2: similar to that. But it will allow us to sustainably
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Speaker 2: make things and export things such as green hydrogen, or
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Speaker 2: it could allow for manufacturing out at that site.
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Speaker 1: Okay, when are we expecting this money to actually flow
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Speaker 1: into the Northern Territory? Any idea on that yet, so, Katie.
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Speaker 2: As well as the one point five billion for Middle
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Speaker 2: Unsustainable Development PRECINC, there's also additional funding for roads, particularly
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Speaker 2: the Tan of Mine, the Central Arnham Rose, as well
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Speaker 2: as development of regional logistic hubs. So what happens is
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Speaker 2: it will be in the Commonwealth government's budget papers, which
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Speaker 2: they'll take through their parliamentary process in the coming weeks,
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Speaker 2: and then you'll start to see some of the money flow.
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Speaker 2: Some of it is requiring the Territory government to put
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Speaker 2: in money. Roads funding is one of those examples, but
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Speaker 2: we'll see that money coming forward over the coming years
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Speaker 2: to see these projects get off the ground.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, it should hopefully be a good thing.
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Speaker 1: And as you said, that money flowing through in the
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Speaker 1: coming years. It does still seem as though there's a
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Speaker 1: bit of detail to work through, but all eyes will
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Speaker 1: indeed be on that budget when it's handed down. Still
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Speaker 1: a little while away or still a week and a
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Speaker 1: half away, I guess a couple of weeks, Katie.
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Speaker 2: But I think this is a fantastic announcement for the
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Speaker 2: Northern Church and we need to acknowledge Luke Gosling and
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Speaker 2: his representation as well as Senator Mullenderry McCarthy, Marian Scrimshaw.
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Speaker 2: When you look at that. There's a table that was
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Speaker 2: out yesterday that shows the investment around Australia and what
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Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Government are putting into each jurisdiction. The territory
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Speaker 2: is certainly getting a significant investment and we acknowledge that
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Speaker 2: that's the planning that we've done, but certainly from those
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Speaker 2: up federal colleagues bare voice in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister, let's move along, because last week
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Speaker 1: we spoke a lot on the show about the issues
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Speaker 1: with crime around the Northern Territory. The government has indeed
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Speaker 1: made some big announcements raising the age of criminal responsibility
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Speaker 1: from ten to twelve and also changes to mandatory sentencing
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Speaker 1: for some offenses. You also announced some changes when it
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Speaker 1: comes to victims of crime support. Firstly, with the changes
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Speaker 1: to the age of criminal responsibility, is that change immediate
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Speaker 1: or when exactly will that change come in to effects?
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Speaker 1: Is it once it passes through parliament? Because I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are wondering right now if we
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Speaker 1: do have a ten year old, let's say, who does
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Speaker 1: break the law, what's happening right now?
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Speaker 2: So, Katie, what happens now is is that alleged crime
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Speaker 2: is investigated by our police. But we often see Dolly
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Speaker 2: interpast when that then gets to the court process, that
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Speaker 2: the young person can't be held siminarly responsible, so they
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Speaker 2: then go through programs. What this acknowledge. It acknowledges that
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Speaker 2: these changes they won't be board in until we are
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Speaker 2: satisfied that those programs are in place and the mechanism.
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Speaker 2: So this is something that evidence around the world shows
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Speaker 2: us is the right thing to do for safer communities,
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Speaker 2: but it won't come in until we have all of
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Speaker 2: those programs in place, Katie, all right.
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Speaker 1: So when making the announcement, I know that the Attorney
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Speaker 1: General had said that over the coming months, government agencies
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Speaker 1: and service providers are going to work collaboratively, obviously to
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Speaker 1: expand those programs you've just touched on that as well
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Speaker 1: to specifically target children eleven years and under and their
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Speaker 1: parents when they show signs that they may engage in
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Speaker 1: at risk behavior. So what programs are going to be established,
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Speaker 1: k Katie.
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Speaker 2: We have some programs in place, and we need to
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Speaker 2: share that with the community that we do have evidence
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Speaker 2: based approaches that are working, but we need to show
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Speaker 2: that community we need to make sure they're available across
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Speaker 2: the territory. So this is something that the legislation we
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Speaker 2: anticipate will be debated and passed in the November Parliament,
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Speaker 2: but the commencement will be on gazette. So we will
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Speaker 2: commence it when we are confident and we have got
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Speaker 2: a working group Kadi, that is, you know, all of
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Speaker 2: these government agents is coming together with the non government
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Speaker 2: organizations to make sure all the structures are right. It
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Speaker 2: will commence when we have confidence that that program is
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Speaker 2: in place or the programs all right.
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Speaker 1: So I know that the government's also said that you're
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Speaker 1: increasing accommodation options for children who cannot immediately be returned
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Speaker 1: safely to their home. So obviously working on these programs
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Speaker 1: and trying to meet with the different different agencies and
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Speaker 1: different non government organizations to make that happen quickly. But
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Speaker 1: how quickly are you hoping then that these other accommodation
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Speaker 1: options are going to become available.
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Speaker 2: We have some programs in place, but we know that
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Speaker 2: we need to do more work work, And it comes
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Speaker 2: back to the point that the science and evidence shows
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Speaker 2: us that earlier someone starts a relationship with the justice system,
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Speaker 2: it gets embedded and then they just end up in
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Speaker 2: a cycle in our adult system. But in terms of
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Speaker 2: your specific question there about accommodation, we're working through those options.
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Speaker 2: So there is processes that are in place presently, but
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Speaker 2: we know that we need to provide more support in
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Speaker 2: that space before we can transition across to this legislation.
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Speaker 1: All right, So in addition to that, I know it's
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Speaker 1: also been said that essentially if a child and their
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Speaker 1: family need to attend an intensive parenting program as well
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Speaker 1: as a behavioral change program, that is an option. How
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Speaker 1: is it going to be determined if a child and
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Speaker 1: their family and who will determine that as well?
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Speaker 2: So that's worked through the use justice system, Katie. And
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Speaker 2: this is around changing and I just spoke around what
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Speaker 2: happens if we just put young people in out of thettention.
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Speaker 2: It embeds those processes. And since we've made this announcement, Katie,
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Speaker 2: we've had a number of businesses reach out to us
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Speaker 2: wanting to bring young people in in traineeships and internships.
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Speaker 2: But in terms of that will be all worked through
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Speaker 2: the youth justice system. And that's why it's really important
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Speaker 2: that it's separate to the adult correction system. There's still
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Speaker 2: consequences and responsibility, but it's in a far more effective
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Speaker 2: and appropriate manner.
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Speaker 1: To give our listeners a bit of perspective here, how
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Speaker 1: many children under the age of twelve are currently in
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Speaker 1: don Dale?
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Speaker 3: Do you have that number.
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Speaker 2: Katie, I don't have an exact figure, and I'm happy
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Speaker 2: to get that to you off there, but it is
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Speaker 2: a very low number that are ten and eleven year old.
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Speaker 2: And when I was just speaking about the Dolly incapac
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Speaker 2: which the alleged crime, they end up that takes police resources,
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Speaker 2: prosecution resources, but then it founds that the young person
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Speaker 2: doesn't have the cognitive ability to be held accountable in
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Speaker 2: a court of law, but we can still hold them
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Speaker 2: accountable through these programs and through ensuring they understand and
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Speaker 2: the actions are unacceptable to our community.
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Speaker 1: And so when you say that, then who determines, you know,
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Speaker 1: whether a family and a child need to go through
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Speaker 1: an intensive parenting program, for example, or whether a child
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Speaker 1: needs to go through another program, some kind of rehabilitation program,
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Speaker 1: or if they need different accommodation options. You've said that
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Speaker 1: that then goes through the youth justice system. I guess
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Speaker 1: a lot of people listening this morning are just going
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Speaker 1: to be wondering how exactly you know if it's no
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Speaker 1: longer being treated as a criminal offense.
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Speaker 2: To Katie, it's holding young people and their families accountable,
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Speaker 2: but it's away from that criminal justice system. So there
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Speaker 2: is already, for example, under the Carent Protection legislation, there's
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Speaker 2: already mechanisms to ensure that young people are cared for,
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Speaker 2: but it's under that Youth Justice Act, not taking them
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Speaker 2: through the criminal justice system. But I'm happy to get
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Speaker 2: some more information and perhaps get Minister Warden, who's the
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Speaker 2: Minister for Youth Justice, to talk to your listeners, because
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Speaker 2: I think it is really important the community understands it.
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Speaker 2: That's why, even though the legislation may pass in November,
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Speaker 2: we want to have the community really understanding what we're
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Speaker 2: doing and why we're doing it, and that young people
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Speaker 2: are still held accountable. Victims of crime KT it doesn't
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Speaker 2: matter across the Northern Territory will still be eligible for support,
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Speaker 2: police will still investigate. But it is putting a scientific,
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Speaker 2: evidence based program to stop that cycle rather than pushing
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Speaker 2: them in and out of used attention, or in start
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Speaker 2: having them get to the point where they're not held
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Speaker 2: accountable because of that dollar INTERPAI.
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Speaker 1: All a couple of pretty important questions. I think, are
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Speaker 1: these programs going to be mandatory? How are you going
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Speaker 1: to force kids and their families to do them if
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Speaker 1: they're not going through that court process?
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Speaker 3: Is I think what I'm trying to get to the
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Speaker 3: bottom of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be mandatory for young people to participate,
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Speaker 2: and you know, they have to be held accountable for
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Speaker 2: the actions. And that's the legislation that will debate in
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Speaker 2: the November sitting.
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Speaker 1: Is it going to be mandatory then, for parents to
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Speaker 1: take part in these intensive parenting programs.
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Speaker 3: How are you going to make them do that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie. And that's where it gets complicated. And that
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Speaker 2: Care and Protection Act, which is what holds us as
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Speaker 2: parents accountable for our behavior. They have to care for
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Speaker 2: their children and they have to provide safe pathways, and
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Speaker 2: so you need to provide the supports to families. But
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Speaker 2: if you're seeing that a family is not providing that,
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Speaker 2: is that because they don't have the skills and resources
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Speaker 2: themselves or is it a child neglect type situation where
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Speaker 2: they don't want to And Minister Warden has already started
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Speaker 2: doing some of that work, Katie, around young people. And
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Speaker 2: this is where we talk about the risky behavior that's
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Speaker 2: not criminal, but then we know that leads to potentially
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Speaker 2: criminal behavior. So it's these young children that your listeners
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Speaker 2: and we've spoken about that are being you know, that
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Speaker 2: are out in the evenings, which is unacceptable. It's using
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Speaker 2: that Care and Protection Act as well as the Justice Up.
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Speaker 1: So it's not mandatory then for parents to take part
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Speaker 1: in those intensive parenting programs.
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Speaker 2: Katie, I have to seek advice on that. But what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying is it it's complicated between the Youth Justice
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Speaker 2: Act and the Care and Protection Act, but there is
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Speaker 2: absolutely legislation that ensures parents are held to account for
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Speaker 2: their behats because they have a responsibility to care for
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Speaker 2: their children and if they're not doing that, there's mechanisms
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Speaker 2: to support them and hold them to that account.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Chief Miness.
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Speaker 1: So I do just want to take you across to
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Speaker 1: the fact that we have just got word they're a
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Speaker 1: senior business associate in Alice Springs was punched in the
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Speaker 1: head this morning at the Coals Complex. We are reaching
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Speaker 1: out to the Northern Territory Police to get further details
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Speaker 1: on this, but from the background information I've got, yes,
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Speaker 1: it is certainly a senior business person in Alice Springs
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Speaker 1: has been keing hit in the Coles Complex this morning.
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Speaker 1: I mean obviously going off some pretty limited detail there,
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Speaker 1: but have you heard anything about this this morning?
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Speaker 2: No, Katie, and any crime is unacceectable. Police will investigate
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Speaker 2: that alleged crime, and it would be inappropriate for me
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Speaker 2: to comment further.
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Speaker 1: Look, I do think that it's going It is going
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Speaker 1: to be something that I know we'll get some further
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Speaker 1: detail about in the next I'm sure in the coming minutes,
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Speaker 1: if not the coming hour. But it does really point
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Speaker 1: to again the situation that we are experiencing in our
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Speaker 1: springs right now, where people are really really concerned about
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Speaker 1: the crime there.
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Speaker 2: And Katie, in the last financial year five hundred and seventeen,
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Speaker 2: you've took part in diversion and more than sixty percent
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Speaker 2: of those you who go through a diversion will not reoffend.
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Speaker 2: We know that that's ugly forty percent who may, but
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Speaker 2: then there is more programs available to them. So this
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Speaker 2: is something that is not simple to solve. But I
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Speaker 2: absolutely understand the frustration of our community across the Northern
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Speaker 2: Territory and they can be assured that we are looking
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Speaker 2: at every option to change these behaviors. We're not just
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Speaker 2: band aiding. We are going deep into the system to
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Speaker 2: drive change because our community needs it.
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Speaker 1: All right, they most certainly do. I want to talk
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Speaker 1: about the increase in funding for Victims of crime, an
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Speaker 1: additional two million dollars into the Victims of Crime. Int
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Speaker 1: what's this two million dollars going to do for victims?
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Speaker 2: The KATIE Victims of Crime is a not for profit
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Speaker 2: organization that supports victims when they have been involved in
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Speaker 2: the crime and being that victim. So this will allow
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Speaker 2: them to enhance and expand their support to territories. We
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Speaker 2: will see additional staff that will go into Central Australia
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Speaker 2: as well as more financial support for the programs that
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Speaker 2: they offer. So they do things Katie such as home
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Speaker 2: resecuring community safety projects. So we thought it was really
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Speaker 2: important to not just be focusing on those that commit
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Speaker 2: the crime through evidence based legislation, but supporting our victims
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Speaker 2: in the territory. And we've also announced changes to the
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Speaker 2: Trespass Act and also Business Secure, which is our program
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Speaker 2: supporting victorms.
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Speaker 1: So with this with the Trespass Act, we know that
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Speaker 1: the government set to amend the Trespass Act of nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy eight in an effort to make the process of
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Speaker 1: issuing and enforcing trespass orders more streamline. Currently, those trespass
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Speaker 1: order need to be issued by landlords or business owners
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Speaker 1: or management governments say that they're going to expand these
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Speaker 1: powers to more employees, including security guards.
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Speaker 3: How exactly is this going to help?
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Speaker 2: So, Katie, this is where you might have someone that
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Speaker 2: is loitering, that is conducting antisocial behavior and it is
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Speaker 2: impacting on the business or interact. It could be someone's home. Katie.
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Speaker 2: This is something that you do see from time to
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Speaker 2: time that residential areas would like and as you've just outlined,
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Speaker 2: presently the legislation needs to be enforced by the owner.
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Speaker 2: This will allow businesses that might be leasing a property.
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Speaker 2: It provides more clarity under the apps that more people
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Speaker 2: can issue that trespass. It also will remove they previously
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Speaker 2: had a warning, we will remove that part of it
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Speaker 2: so that they can be trespassed immediately if the behavior
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Speaker 2: is unacceptable.
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Speaker 1: So I know that in addition to this, if an
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Speaker 1: individual returns to a premises within that breach period, they'll
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Speaker 1: immediately be fined three thousand and eighty dollars. Subsequent breaches
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Speaker 1: can result in arrest and imprisonment. Who's going to be
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Speaker 1: issuing those fines?
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Speaker 2: So, Katie, that would be something that the police will
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Speaker 2: do if someone has put a trespass notice against an
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Speaker 2: individual in.
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Speaker 1: Place, so the police will be then issuing those fines.
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Speaker 1: But obviously the you know, this amendment is about enabling
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Speaker 1: security guards and employees to be able to issue the
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Speaker 1: trespass notices. So then what would they have to do
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Speaker 1: call the police and say that they're back.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Katie, so there's a protect in place, but it's
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Speaker 2: not clear whether and so you may lease the building
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Speaker 2: to run it for your business or your office or
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Speaker 2: whatever it may be, and you want to issue a
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Speaker 2: trespass you may have to go back to the landlord.
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Speaker 2: This makes it a lot clearer and a lot more
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Speaker 2: agile for that trespass notice to be put in place.
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Speaker 2: And then yes, if someone breaches it, you reach out
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Speaker 2: to authority police and it can be an active Do
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Speaker 2: you reckon that.
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Speaker 1: They're actually going to be able to people are going
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Speaker 1: to be able to pay these fines? I mean three
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Speaker 1: and eighty dollars in many instances, let's be frank about it.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about kids in places like Casuarina A
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Speaker 1: running a mark.
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Speaker 2: So, Katie, this is something that not just with businesses,
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Speaker 2: but in content situations. They've asked for this legislation to
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Speaker 2: be changed. So this is us responding to the community
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Speaker 2: and putting in place those mechanisms that we've been asked for.
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Speaker 3: All right, we know you touched on this before.
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Speaker 1: Government's going to be ramping up Beer Secure in the
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Speaker 1: lead up to Christmas to continue that reduced co contribution
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Speaker 1: amounts for businesses wanting to make a range of permanent
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Speaker 1: security improvements to their premises. Chief Minister, how is something
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Speaker 1: like this going to help businesses like Berry Springs tavern
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Speaker 1: who were ram rated last week while two staff members
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Speaker 1: hid in the office.
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Speaker 2: So Katie, I can't call in on the specifics. I
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Speaker 2: don't know the physical makeup. But what we do is
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Speaker 2: we've got small business champions that work with business owners.
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Speaker 2: They do it through security, through environmental design. It's looking
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Speaker 2: at the physical premises and putting in place mechanisms that
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Speaker 2: make it safer. And this is for us. It's been
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Speaker 2: a successful program and we want to leading into the
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Speaker 2: end of the year and people are sort of, you know,
17:12
Speaker 2: trying to tick those jobs on their boxes that we
17:14
Speaker 2: really want to focus businesses that we've got this program,
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Speaker 2: it's available and we want to support you to secure
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Speaker 2: your premises.
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Speaker 1: All right, And then I mean, we've also got places
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Speaker 1: like the Todd Tavern obviously and Ella Springs who have
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Speaker 1: been ram rated on numerous occasions. Again, I'll ask you know,
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Speaker 1: how are these changes that the government's announced going to
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Speaker 1: help businesses like that?
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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I'm not sure that the physical makeup of
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Speaker 2: those venues that it's just spoken, But for example, I've
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Speaker 2: had businesses that I know that have put it in place,
17:44
Speaker 2: and it might be roller shutters on windows, it might
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Speaker 2: be a couple of bollys in a certain place, additional whiting.
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Speaker 2: So it's getting that. We call it a step ted audit,
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Speaker 2: but it's that security environmental design audit looking at what
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Speaker 2: are the weak points and enhancing that and we're providing
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Speaker 2: that government funding to help businesses secure their premises.
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Speaker 1: All right, can you see how there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: people they'll be listening this morning, but there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of people who are wondering, you know, the government sort
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Speaker 1: of making all of these changes, with the legislative changes
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Speaker 1: around youths, with the legislative changes around mandatory sentencing, you know,
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Speaker 1: with the changes that you're speaking about with be Secure,
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Speaker 1: they're obviously all changes that hopefully will help in the
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Speaker 1: long run, but they're still dealing with this festering issue
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Speaker 1: of crime that is hurting them right now, and they're
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Speaker 1: wondering what the government is doing about that.
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Speaker 2: So, Katie, there is immediate action, such as the additional
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Speaker 2: funding to victims of crime that the Secure lips. But
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Speaker 2: then there is also that longer term thing. But we
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Speaker 2: are open to any ideas. That doesn't have to be
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Speaker 2: our idea, but they need to be evident space, and
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Speaker 2: that is why we will continue to work in this
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Speaker 2: space and acknowledge it an issue in our community each
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Speaker 2: and every day.
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Speaker 3: All Right, couple of listener questions.
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Speaker 1: Can the government afford to undertake these programs, these additional
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Speaker 1: use programs within their budget?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, many of these programs we have examples in place,
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Speaker 2: and I gave you the figures before of young people
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Speaker 2: going through those programs. But the cost of detaining a
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Speaker 2: young person is significant, the cost of detaining an adult
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Speaker 2: in prison is significant. Yet we keep seeing that cycle
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Speaker 2: of crime. So this is actually justice reinvestment. So using
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Speaker 2: the dollars, we have to reinvest them wisely and stop
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Speaker 2: that cycle of crime.
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Speaker 1: All Right, someone else's message through and set a couple
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Speaker 1: of ballards and roll the doors.
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Speaker 3: I shouldn't need to get those, Katie.
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Speaker 2: It is frustrating, but if we can help you protect
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Speaker 2: your premises, you will have a safer premises and you
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Speaker 2: can get on with the job of running your business
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Speaker 2: not having to deal with these incidents.
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Speaker 1: Another one, why aren't they focusing on stopping kids committing
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Speaker 1: crimes in the first place, rather than stopping them facing
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Speaker 1: court after they've committed the crime, Katie.
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Speaker 2: We absolutely focus on stopping these behaviors and that's where
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Speaker 2: the evidence shows you. In the longer term, education is
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Speaker 2: so important and also providing those meaningful activities, and that's
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Speaker 2: why you see funding across education and other areas to
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Speaker 2: support family, to support young people so that we can
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Speaker 2: keep kids on track.
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Speaker 1: All right, Chief FINISTERA, we are going to leave it there.
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Speaker 1: Thank you as a ways for your time, You're most welcome.