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164: Al Rosen - MLB · Sports History Network

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  podcast
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  is
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  Al
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  Rosen
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  was.
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  One
• 1:09
  of
• 1:09
  the
• 1:09
  most
• 1:09
  dominant
• 1:10
  players
• 1:10
  in
• 1:10
  baseball
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  during
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  the
• 1:11
  early
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  1950s.
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  A
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  four
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  time
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  All
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  Star,
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  the
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  American
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  League
• 1:16
  MVP
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  in
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  1953,
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  and
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  a
• 1:19
  player
• 1:19
  who
• 1:19
  came
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  within
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  1/100th
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  of
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  a
• 1:21
  point
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  of
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  winning
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  the
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  Triple
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  Crown.
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  He
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  was
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  the
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  driving
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  force
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  behind
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  some
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  very
• 1:27
  good
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  Cleveland
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  Indians
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  teams,
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  and
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  for
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  a
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  brief
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  stretch,
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  he
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  was
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  arguably
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  the
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  best
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  player
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  in
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  the
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  game.
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  But
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  his
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  career
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  was
• 1:37
  relatively
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  short.
• 1:38
  His
• 1:39
  name
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  isn't
• 1:39
  mentioned
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  nearly
• 1:40
  as
• 1:41
  often
• 1:41
  as
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  others
• 1:42
  from
• 1:42
  his
• 1:42
  era,
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  and
• 1:44
  his
• 1:44
  story
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  goes
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  far
• 1:46
  beyond
• 1:47
  what
• 1:47
  he
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  accomplished
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  on
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  the
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  field.
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  Next
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  on
• 1:50
  Sports
• 1:50
  Forgotten
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  Heroes,
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  we're
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  going
• 1:52
  to
• 1:52
  take
• 1:52
  a
• 1:52
  look
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  at
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  the
• 1:53
  life
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  and
• 1:54
  career
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  of
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  Al
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  Rohl.
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  This
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  is
• 1:57
  Sports
• 1:58
  Forgotten
• 1:58
  Heroes,
• 1:59
  a
• 1:59
  tribute
• 1:59
  to
• 2:00
  the
• 2:00
  stars
• 2:00
  who
• 2:00
  shaped
• 2:01
  the
• 2:01
  games
• 2:01
  we
• 2:01
  love
• 2:01
  to
• 2:02
  watch
• 2:02
  and
• 2:02
  the
• 2:02
  games
• 2:03
  we
• 2:03
  love
• 2:03
  to
• 2:03
  play.
• 2:04
  Stars
• 2:04
  who
• 2:04
  provided
• 2:05
  us
• 2:05
  with
• 2:05
  many
• 2:05
  thrills,
• 2:06
  but
• 2:06
  when
• 2:06
  their
• 2:07
  time
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  was
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  up,
• 2:07
  they
• 2:08
  faded
• 2:08
  away.
• 2:09
  We'll
• 2:09
  take
• 2:09
  a
• 2:10
  look
• 2:10
  back
• 2:10
  at
• 2:10
  their
• 2:10
  spectacular
• 2:11
  careers,
• 2:11
  their
• 2:12
  moments
• 2:12
  of
• 2:12
  fame,
• 2:13
  even
• 2:13
  if
• 2:13
  it
• 2:13
  was
• 2:13
  just
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  for
• 2:14
  one
• 2:14
  season
• 2:14
  or
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  just
• 2:15
  one
• 2:15
  game.
• 2:16
  And
• 2:16
  now,
• 2:17
  here's
• 2:17
  your
• 2:17
  host,
• 2:18
  Warren
• 2:18
  Rogan.
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  Hello
• 2:20
  and
• 2:20
  welcome
• 2:21
  to
• 2:21
  Sports
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  forgotten
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  heroes.
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  Episode
• 2:23
  164
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  Al
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  Rosen.
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  Now,
• 2:27
  if
• 2:27
  you're
• 2:27
  like
• 2:27
  me,
• 2:27
  you
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  may
• 2:28
  have
• 2:28
  heard
• 2:28
  the
• 2:29
  name
• 2:29
  Al
• 2:29
  Rosen
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  before.
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  Maybe
• 2:31
  you
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  know
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  he
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  was
• 2:32
  a
• 2:32
  great
• 2:32
  player
• 2:33
  for
• 2:33
  the
• 2:33
  Cleveland
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  Indians
• 2:34
  in
• 2:34
  the
• 2:34
  1950s.
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  Maybe
• 2:37
  you've
• 2:37
  even
• 2:37
  seen
• 2:38
  his
• 2:38
  name
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  pop
• 2:38
  up
• 2:39
  in
• 2:39
  discussions
• 2:39
  about
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  MVP
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  seasons
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  or
• 2:42
  players
• 2:42
  who
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  just
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  missed
• 2:43
  the
• 2:43
  Triple
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  Crown.
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  But
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  chances
• 2:45
  are
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  you
• 2:46
  don't
• 2:47
  fully
• 2:47
  know
• 2:47
  just
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  how
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  dominant
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  he
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  was
• 2:49
  or
• 2:50
  how
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  how
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  interesting
• 2:51
  his
• 2:52
  story
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  really
• 2:52
  is.
• 2:54
  Rosen
• 2:54
  had
• 2:54
  a
• 2:55
  relatively
• 2:55
  short
• 2:55
  career,
• 2:56
  but
• 2:56
  at
• 2:56
  his
• 2:56
  peak,
• 2:57
  he
• 2:57
  was
• 2:58
  one
• 2:58
  of
• 2:58
  the
• 2:58
  most
• 2:58
  feared
• 2:59
  hitters
• 3:00
  in
• 3:00
  baseball.
• 3:01
  In
• 3:01
  1953,
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  he
• 3:03
  hit.336
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  with
• 3:05
  43
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  home
• 3:06
  runs
• 3:06
  at
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  145RBI,
• 3:10
  winning
• 3:10
  the
• 3:10
  American
• 3:11
  League
• 3:12
  MVP.
• 3:13
  He
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  finished
• 3:14
  just
• 3:15
  1/100th
• 3:16
  of
• 3:16
  a
• 3:16
  point
• 3:17
  behind
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  Washington's
• 3:18
  Mickey
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  Vernon
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  for
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  the
• 3:20
  batting
• 3:20
  title,
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  narrowly
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  missing
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  what
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  would
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  have
• 3:23
  been
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  a
• 3:24
  Triple
• 3:25
  Crown
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  season.
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  But
• 3:27
  Rosen's
• 3:28
  story
• 3:28
  isn't
• 3:29
  just
• 3:29
  about
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  numbers.
• 3:30
  He
• 3:30
  played
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  in
• 3:31
  an
• 3:31
  era
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  where
• 3:32
  his
• 3:32
  Jewish
• 3:33
  identity
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  made
• 3:34
  him
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  a
• 3:35
  target
• 3:36
  and
• 3:36
  he
• 3:36
  never
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  backed
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  down.
• 3:38
  He
• 3:38
  was
• 3:38
  tough,
• 3:39
  outspoken,
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  and
• 3:41
  carried
• 3:41
  himself
• 3:42
  with
• 3:42
  a
• 3:42
  confidence
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  that
• 3:44
  didn't
• 3:44
  always
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  sit
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  well
• 3:45
  with
• 3:45
  everyone.
• 3:47
  After
• 3:47
  his
• 3:47
  playing
• 3:48
  days,
• 3:48
  Rosen
• 3:49
  stayed
• 3:49
  in
• 3:49
  the
• 3:50
  game
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  became
• 3:50
  a
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  highly
• 3:51
  respected
• 3:51
  executive,
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  building
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  successful
• 3:54
  teams
• 3:55
  in
• 3:55
  multiple
• 3:56
  organizations.
• 3:58
  On
• 3:58
  today's
• 3:59
  episode
• 3:59
  of
• 3:59
  Sports
• 4:00
  Forgotten
• 4:00
  Heroes,
• 4:01
  we're
• 4:01
  going
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  take
• 4:01
  a
• 4:02
  deeper
• 4:02
  look
• 4:02
  at
• 4:03
  Al
• 4:03
  Rosen's
• 4:04
  life,
• 4:04
  his
• 4:05
  career
• 4:06
  and
• 4:06
  his
• 4:06
  legacy
• 4:07
  with
• 4:07
  my
• 4:07
  guest,
• 4:08
  Joseph
• 4:08
  Wancho,
• 4:09
  who
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  wrote
• 4:09
  a
• 4:09
  terrific
• 4:10
  biography
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  of
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  titled
• 4:12
  Hebrew
• 4:12
  Hammer,
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  a
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  biography
• 4:14
  of
• 4:14
  Al
• 4:15
  Rosen,
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  All
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  Star
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  third
• 4:17
  Baseman.
• 4:18
  Before
• 4:18
  we
• 4:18
  get
• 4:18
  there
• 4:19
  though,
• 4:19
  as
• 4:19
  always,
• 4:20
  a
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  few
• 4:20
  notes.
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  Please
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  follow
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  today's
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  Joseph
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  Wancher.
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  Joe,
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  welcome
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• 6:02
  topic,
• 6:02
  but
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  love
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  topic.
• 6:04
  Al
• 6:04
  Rosen,
• 6:05
  you
• 6:05
  wrote
• 6:05
  a
• 6:05
  terrific
• 6:06
  book,
• 6:06
  the
• 6:07
  Hebrew
• 6:07
  Hammer
• 6:08
  biography
• 6:10
  Al
• 6:11
  Rosen,
• 6:12
  All
• 6:12
  Star
• 6:12
  Third
• 6:13
  Baseman
• 6:14
  and
• 6:14
  I
• 6:14
  actually
• 6:15
  like
• 6:15
  to
• 6:15
  start
• 6:16
  off
• 6:16
  the
• 6:17
  podcast
• 6:17
  with
• 6:18
  this
• 6:18
  question.
• 6:20
  Before
• 6:21
  you
• 6:21
  began
• 6:22
  your
• 6:22
  research,
• 6:24
  what
• 6:25
  did
• 6:25
  you
• 6:25
  think
• 6:26
  you
• 6:27
  knew
• 6:27
  about
• 6:28
  Al
• 6:28
  Rosen
• 6:29
  and
• 6:30
  what
• 6:30
  surprised
• 6:31
  you
• 6:32
  most
• 6:33
  once
• 6:33
  you
• 6:33
  dug
• 6:34
  in?
• 6:37
  So
• 6:38
  I
• 6:38
  knew
• 6:38
  about
• 6:38
  his
• 6:38
  playing
• 6:39
  career
• 6:39
  a
• 6:39
  little
• 6:39
  bit
• 6:42
  just
• 6:43
  because
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  knew
• 6:44
  he
• 6:44
  was
• 6:44
  on
• 6:44
  those
• 6:45
  really
• 6:45
  good
• 6:45
  Indians
• 6:46
  teams
• 6:46
  from
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  1950s
• 6:47
  and
• 6:48
  I
• 6:48
  knew
• 6:48
  he
• 6:48
  was
• 6:49
  a
• 6:50
  home
• 6:51
  run
• 6:51
  hitter
• 6:51
  and
• 6:52
  so
• 6:52
  forth.
• 6:55
  I
• 6:55
  didn't
• 6:56
  realize
• 6:56
  about.
• 6:56
  I
• 6:57
  mean,
• 6:57
  I
• 6:57
  guess
• 6:57
  I
• 6:57
  didn't
• 6:58
  really
• 6:58
  think
• 6:58
  about
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  anti
• 6:59
  Semitism.
• 7:00
  Anti
• 7:00
  Semitism
• 7:01
  that
• 7:01
  he
• 7:01
  faced
• 7:02
  on
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  minor
• 7:03
  and
• 7:03
  major
• 7:03
  leagues.
• 7:03
  Well,
• 7:04
  his
• 7:04
  whole
• 7:04
  life
• 7:05
  actually.
• 7:05
  And
• 7:06
  so
• 7:07
  no
• 7:07
  matter
• 7:07
  how
• 7:07
  much
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  are
• 7:08
  prepared
• 7:09
  for
• 7:09
  something
• 7:09
  like
• 7:09
  that,
• 7:10
  it
• 7:10
  still
• 7:11
  kind
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  smacks
• 7:11
  you
• 7:12
  in
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  face
• 7:12
  a
• 7:12
  little
• 7:12
  bit
• 7:12
  when
• 7:13
  you
• 7:13
  read
• 7:13
  about
• 7:13
  things
• 7:13
  like
• 7:14
  that.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:15
  I
• 7:15
  knew
• 7:15
  nothing
• 7:16
  about
• 7:16
  his
• 7:18
  front
• 7:18
  office
• 7:19
  career.
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  knew
• 7:20
  next
• 7:20
  to
• 7:21
  nothing.
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  didn't.
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  guess
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  might
• 7:25
  have
• 7:25
  known
• 7:25
  he
• 7:26
  was
• 7:26
  with
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  Yankees,
• 7:26
  but
• 7:27
  I
• 7:27
  and
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  Giants,
• 7:29
  but
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  don't
• 7:29
  think
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  knew
• 7:30
  about
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  Astros.
• 7:31
  So
• 7:32
  to
• 7:33
  me
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  was
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  most
• 7:34
  interesting
• 7:34
  part
• 7:35
  was
• 7:35
  researching
• 7:36
  his
• 7:37
  general
• 7:37
  manager
• 7:38
  because
• 7:39
  that's
• 7:39
  far
• 7:39
  more
• 7:39
  interesting
• 7:40
  than
• 7:40
  a
• 7:41
  player
• 7:41
  because
• 7:41
  he's
• 7:42
  making
• 7:42
  decisions.
• 7:43
  You're,
• 7:43
  you're,
• 7:43
  you
• 7:43
  know,
• 7:44
  you're,
• 7:44
  you're
• 7:45
  making
• 7:45
  trades.
• 7:45
  You're,
• 7:46
  you're,
• 7:46
  you're
• 7:47
  involved
• 7:47
  with
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  whole
• 7:48
  organization.
• 7:49
  So
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  me,
• 7:49
  that
• 7:50
  was
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  most
• 7:50
  interesting
• 7:52
  part
• 7:52
  to
• 7:52
  research.
• 7:53
  I
• 7:54
  think
• 7:54
  on
• 7:54
  today's
• 7:55
  show,
• 7:55
  we'll
• 7:55
  probably
• 7:56
  concentrate
• 7:57
  more
• 7:57
  about
• 7:57
  his
• 7:58
  playing
• 7:58
  days.
• 7:59
  Do
• 7:59
  you
• 7:59
  feel,
• 8:00
  do
• 8:00
  you
• 8:00
  think
• 8:03
  when
• 8:03
  it
• 8:03
  comes
• 8:04
  to
• 8:05
  baseball
• 8:05
  history,
• 8:07
  that
• 8:07
  Al
• 8:07
  Rosen
• 8:09
  is
• 8:09
  somewhat
• 8:09
  overlooked?
• 8:10
  And
• 8:10
  if
• 8:10
  so,
• 8:11
  why?
• 8:13
  Well,
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  think
• 8:13
  he's,
• 8:14
  he's
• 8:14
  overlooked
• 8:15
  in
• 8:15
  Cleveland
• 8:15
  for
• 8:15
  sure,
• 8:18
  because
• 8:21
  I
• 8:21
  think
• 8:21
  if
• 8:22
  you,
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  stopped
• 8:23
  anybody
• 8:23
  on
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  street
• 8:23
  and
• 8:24
  asked
• 8:24
  them
• 8:25
  who
• 8:26
  was
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  last
• 8:26
  Cleveland
• 8:27
  ballplayer
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  be
• 8:27
  named
• 8:27
  mvp,
• 8:28
  they
• 8:28
  wouldn't
• 8:28
  be
• 8:28
  able
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  tell
• 8:29
  you.
• 8:30
  And
• 8:31
  it
• 8:31
  was
• 8:31
  1953.
• 8:32
  Of
• 8:32
  course,
• 8:33
  it's,
• 8:34
  was
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  73
• 8:35
  years.
• 8:35
  So,
• 8:36
  you
• 8:36
  know,
• 8:36
  so
• 8:36
  that's
• 8:36
  a
• 8:37
  long
• 8:37
  time.
• 8:38
  And
• 8:40
  as
• 8:40
  great
• 8:40
  as
• 8:41
  a
• 8:41
  person
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  players,
• 8:42
  Jose
• 8:42
  Ramirez
• 8:43
  is,
• 8:44
  he's
• 8:44
  never
• 8:44
  going
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  win
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  MVP
• 8:45
  in
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  American
• 8:45
  League
• 8:46
  as
• 8:46
  long
• 8:46
  as
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  got
• 8:47
  judge
• 8:47
  hitting
• 8:47
  60
• 8:47
  home
• 8:48
  runs
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  year
• 8:48
  and
• 8:49
  stuff.
• 8:49
  So,
• 8:50
  so
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  think
• 8:50
  we're,
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  know,
• 8:51
  Al
• 8:51
  Rosen
• 8:52
  is
• 8:52
  it,
• 8:52
  you
• 8:52
  know,
• 8:53
  and
• 8:53
  he'll
• 8:53
  be
• 8:53
  it
• 8:53
  for
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  foreseeable
• 8:54
  future.
• 8:55
  And,
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  think
• 8:57
  that's
• 8:57
  one
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  reasons,
• 8:57
  when
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  talked
• 8:58
  to
• 8:58
  Gary
• 8:59
  Mitchum
• 8:59
  over
• 8:59
  at
• 8:59
  Mark
• 9:00
  McFarlane
• 9:01
  before
• 9:01
  we
• 9:01
  started
• 9:01
  this,
• 9:03
  that's
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  player
• 9:04
  we
• 9:04
  settled
• 9:04
  on
• 9:05
  because
• 9:06
  not
• 9:06
  much
• 9:06
  was
• 9:06
  known
• 9:07
  about
• 9:07
  him,
• 9:08
  actually.
• 9:08
  I
• 9:09
  didn't
• 9:09
  realize
• 9:09
  his
• 9:09
  career
• 9:09
  was
• 9:10
  so
• 9:10
  short.
• 9:11
  It
• 9:11
  was
• 9:11
  cut
• 9:11
  down
• 9:11
  by
• 9:11
  injuries.
• 9:12
  So
• 9:12
  I
• 9:12
  did.
• 9:13
  He
• 9:13
  only
• 9:13
  really
• 9:13
  only
• 9:13
  played
• 9:14
  like
• 9:14
  six
• 9:14
  years,
• 9:15
  so
• 9:15
  he,
• 9:16
  you
• 9:16
  know,
• 9:16
  and
• 9:18
  so
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  was
• 9:18
  interesting.
• 9:19
  I,
• 9:19
  I
• 9:19
  did
• 9:20
  get
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  talk
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  his
• 9:20
  son,
• 9:21
  so
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  learned
• 9:21
  some
• 9:21
  things
• 9:22
  there.
• 9:22
  But,
• 9:23
  yeah,
• 9:23
  I,
• 9:23
  I
• 9:24
  feel
• 9:24
  that,
• 9:26
  you
• 9:26
  know,
• 9:26
  he
• 9:26
  is
• 9:27
  overlooked
• 9:27
  by,
• 9:28
  by,
• 9:29
  by
• 9:30
  a
• 9:30
  lot
• 9:30
  of
• 9:30
  people.
• 9:30
  I'm
• 9:31
  sure
• 9:32
  most
• 9:32
  people
• 9:33
  wouldn't
• 9:33
  be
• 9:33
  able
• 9:33
  to
• 9:33
  tell
• 9:33
  you
• 9:33
  who
• 9:33
  Al
• 9:34
  Rosen
• 9:34
  was
• 9:35
  today.
• 9:37
  You
• 9:37
  know,
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  hate
• 9:39
  to
• 9:40
  say
• 9:40
  this,
• 9:40
  but
• 9:42
  we
• 9:42
  do,
• 9:42
  we
• 9:42
  live
• 9:43
  in,
• 9:43
  especially
• 9:44
  today,
• 9:44
  such
• 9:45
  a
• 9:45
  politically
• 9:47
  charged
• 9:48
  world.
• 9:48
  So
• 9:49
  let's,
• 9:50
  let's,
• 9:50
  let's
• 9:50
  hit
• 9:50
  the
• 9:51
  big
• 9:51
  one
• 9:51
  right
• 9:51
  off
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  bat.
• 9:53
  You
• 9:54
  know,
• 9:54
  when
• 9:54
  he
• 9:54
  played,
• 9:57
  anti
• 9:58
  Semitism
• 9:58
  was
• 9:58
  a
• 9:59
  big
• 9:59
  part
• 9:59
  of
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  day
• 10:01
  of
• 10:01
  the
• 10:01
  game,
• 10:02
  as
• 10:03
  was,
• 10:03
  you
• 10:03
  know,
• 10:04
  racism
• 10:05
  as
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  whole.
• 10:06
  You
• 10:06
  know,
• 10:07
  Jackie
• 10:08
  Robinson
• 10:08
  and
• 10:08
  Larry
• 10:09
  Doby
• 10:09
  breaking
• 10:10
  into
• 10:11
  ball,
• 10:11
  you
• 10:12
  know,
• 10:12
  back
• 10:12
  in
• 10:12
  those
• 10:12
  days
• 10:13
  as
• 10:13
  well.
• 10:14
  Talk
• 10:14
  about
• 10:14
  some
• 10:15
  of
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  things
• 10:15
  that
• 10:16
  happened
• 10:17
  to
• 10:17
  Al
• 10:17
  Rosen
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  the
• 10:19
  kind
• 10:19
  of
• 10:20
  anti
• 10:20
  Semitism
• 10:21
  he
• 10:21
  faced.
• 10:23
  Well,
• 10:24
  I
• 10:24
  know
• 10:24
  when
• 10:24
  he
• 10:24
  was
• 10:24
  in
• 10:24
  high
• 10:25
  school,
• 10:26
  he
• 10:26
  went
• 10:27
  out
• 10:27
  for
• 10:27
  the
• 10:27
  football
• 10:27
  team,
• 10:28
  and
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  head
• 10:29
  coach
• 10:29
  said,
• 10:29
  you
• 10:30
  know,
• 10:30
  Rosen,
• 10:30
  what
• 10:30
  are
• 10:30
  you
• 10:31
  doing
• 10:31
  coming
• 10:32
  out
• 10:32
  for
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  football
• 10:33
  team?
• 10:34
  You
• 10:34
  know,
• 10:34
  Jews
• 10:35
  like
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  play
• 10:35
  tennis
• 10:36
  and
• 10:36
  golf.
• 10:36
  They
• 10:37
  don't
• 10:37
  like
• 10:37
  to
• 10:37
  play
• 10:37
  Contact
• 10:38
  sports.
• 10:38
  And,
• 10:40
  you
• 10:41
  know,
• 10:41
  that,
• 10:41
  that,
• 10:41
  of
• 10:41
  course,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  know,
• 10:42
  offended
• 10:43
  him
• 10:43
  greatly.
• 10:46
  He,
• 10:48
  he
• 10:49
  said
• 10:49
  in
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  minor
• 10:50
  leagues,
• 10:53
  he
• 10:54
  received
• 10:54
  the
• 10:54
  most
• 10:57
  harassment
• 10:57
  in
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  minor
• 10:58
  leagues
• 10:58
  from
• 10:59
  the
• 10:59
  opposing
• 11:00
  teams,
• 11:00
  fans,
• 11:01
  umpires.
• 11:02
  But
• 11:03
  at
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  same
• 11:03
  time,
• 11:04
  since
• 11:04
  he
• 11:04
  was
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  best
• 11:05
  player
• 11:05
  on
• 11:05
  most
• 11:05
  of
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  teams
• 11:06
  that
• 11:06
  he
• 11:07
  was
• 11:07
  with,
• 11:07
  his
• 11:08
  name
• 11:08
  was
• 11:08
  always
• 11:08
  in
• 11:08
  the
• 11:09
  local
• 11:09
  papers.
• 11:10
  So
• 11:10
  a
• 11:10
  lot
• 11:10
  of
• 11:11
  Jewish
• 11:11
  families
• 11:12
  would
• 11:12
  have
• 11:12
  him
• 11:12
  over
• 11:12
  for
• 11:13
  brunch
• 11:13
  on
• 11:13
  Sundays
• 11:14
  or
• 11:14
  for
• 11:14
  dinner
• 11:14
  and
• 11:15
  so
• 11:15
  forth.
• 11:15
  So
• 11:15
  he
• 11:15
  said
• 11:16
  his
• 11:16
  minor
• 11:16
  league
• 11:16
  career,
• 11:17
  personally
• 11:17
  wise,
• 11:18
  it
• 11:18
  was
• 11:19
  the
• 11:19
  biggest
• 11:23
  uplifting
• 11:23
  for
• 11:23
  him
• 11:23
  that
• 11:23
  he
• 11:24
  was
• 11:24
  accepted
• 11:24
  by
• 11:24
  so
• 11:24
  many
• 11:25
  families,
• 11:25
  you
• 11:25
  know,
• 11:25
  where
• 11:26
  he
• 11:26
  played,
• 11:26
  but
• 11:26
  also,
• 11:28
  you
• 11:28
  know,
• 11:28
  he
• 11:29
  had
• 11:29
  to
• 11:29
  under.
• 11:30
  Endure
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  lot
• 11:31
  as
• 11:31
  being
• 11:31
  a
• 11:31
  Jewish
• 11:32
  ball
• 11:32
  player.
• 11:34
  He
• 11:34
  grew
• 11:34
  up
• 11:35
  somewhat
• 11:35
  in
• 11:35
  the
• 11:35
  Deep
• 11:36
  south,
• 11:36
  right.
• 11:36
  He
• 11:36
  was
• 11:37
  in
• 11:37
  Florida
• 11:37
  and,
• 11:37
  and
• 11:38
  then.
• 11:38
  Later
• 11:40
  he
• 11:40
  was
• 11:40
  born
• 11:40
  in
• 11:40
  Spartansburg,
• 11:41
  but
• 11:41
  he
• 11:42
  had,
• 11:43
  he
• 11:43
  had
• 11:43
  trouble
• 11:43
  breathing
• 11:44
  and,
• 11:45
  and
• 11:45
  he,
• 11:46
  the
• 11:46
  doctor
• 11:46
  suggested
• 11:47
  they
• 11:47
  move
• 11:47
  to
• 11:48
  Florida.
• 11:48
  And
• 11:48
  his
• 11:48
  parents
• 11:49
  divorced
• 11:49
  and
• 11:49
  him
• 11:49
  and
• 11:50
  his
• 11:50
  younger
• 11:50
  brother
• 11:50
  Jerry
• 11:51
  and
• 11:51
  his
• 11:51
  mom
• 11:52
  lived
• 11:52
  with
• 11:54
  his
• 11:54
  aunt
• 11:55
  and
• 11:55
  uncle.
• 11:56
  And
• 11:56
  when
• 11:56
  they
• 11:56
  were
• 11:57
  looking
• 11:57
  for
• 11:57
  housing,
• 11:58
  there
• 11:59
  were
• 11:59
  signs,
• 12:00
  you
• 12:00
  know,
• 12:01
  housing,
• 12:01
  no
• 12:01
  dogs,
• 12:02
  no
• 12:02
  Jews,
• 12:04
  you
• 12:04
  know,
• 12:04
  and
• 12:05
  he
• 12:05
  lived.
• 12:06
  Now,
• 12:07
  I'm
• 12:07
  not
• 12:07
  familiar
• 12:07
  with
• 12:07
  Florida
• 12:08
  or
• 12:08
  Miami
• 12:08
  area,
• 12:08
  but
• 12:10
  in
• 12:10
  an
• 12:10
  area
• 12:11
  near
• 12:11
  Little
• 12:11
  Cuba.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:12
  he
• 12:12
  said
• 12:12
  that,
• 12:12
  Tim.
• 12:13
  And
• 12:13
  that's
• 12:13
  where.
• 12:14
  No,
• 12:14
  he
• 12:14
  was
• 12:15
  an
• 12:15
  accomplished
• 12:15
  fighter
• 12:15
  and
• 12:16
  that's
• 12:16
  where
• 12:16
  he
• 12:16
  learned
• 12:17
  to
• 12:17
  fight.
• 12:18
  Because
• 12:19
  he
• 12:19
  was
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  boxer
• 12:20
  always,
• 12:20
  right.
• 12:21
  He
• 12:21
  got
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  scholarship
• 12:22
  of
• 12:22
  some
• 12:22
  sort.
• 12:23
  Well,
• 12:23
  he
• 12:23
  was
• 12:23
  a,
• 12:23
  he
• 12:24
  boxed
• 12:24
  in,
• 12:26
  in
• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  military
• 12:27
  school.
• 12:28
  People,
• 12:29
  people
• 12:29
  confuse
• 12:30
  it.
• 12:30
  They'll
• 12:30
  say
• 12:30
  he
• 12:30
  was
• 12:30
  a
• 12:30
  Golden
• 12:31
  Glove
• 12:31
  winner,
• 12:31
  but
• 12:31
  that's
• 12:32
  not
• 12:33
  necessarily
• 12:33
  true.
• 12:34
  And,
• 12:36
  you
• 12:36
  know,
• 12:36
  he
• 12:37
  said,
• 12:37
  he,
• 12:38
  you
• 12:38
  know,
• 12:38
  he
• 12:39
  did
• 12:39
  all
• 12:39
  right.
• 12:39
  He
• 12:39
  said,
• 12:40
  I,
• 12:40
  you
• 12:40
  know,
• 12:40
  I
• 12:40
  took
• 12:40
  my
• 12:41
  lumps,
• 12:41
  you
• 12:41
  know,
• 12:42
  and
• 12:42
  stuff
• 12:42
  like
• 12:42
  that,
• 12:42
  too.
• 12:43
  But
• 12:43
  he,
• 12:45
  you
• 12:45
  know,
• 12:45
  he,
• 12:46
  he
• 12:46
  didn't
• 12:46
  back
• 12:46
  down
• 12:47
  from
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  fight,
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  course,
• 12:48
  and
• 12:48
  he
• 12:49
  had
• 12:49
  a,
• 12:49
  he
• 12:49
  had
• 12:49
  a,
• 12:52
  he
• 12:52
  had
• 12:52
  a,
• 12:55
  you
• 12:55
  know,
• 12:55
  he,
• 12:56
  he
• 12:56
  would
• 12:56
  get
• 12:56
  set
• 12:56
  off
• 12:57
  when,
• 12:57
  when
• 12:57
  people
• 12:59
  brought
• 12:59
  up
• 13:00
  the
• 13:00
  hatred
• 13:01
  and,
• 13:02
  you
• 13:02
  know,
• 13:02
  rightly
• 13:02
  so.
• 13:03
  So
• 13:03
  he,
• 13:03
  he
• 13:03
  was
• 13:04
  tested
• 13:04
  a
• 13:04
  lot.
• 13:04
  I
• 13:05
  would
• 13:05
  say.
• 13:07
  It's
• 13:07
  a,
• 13:08
  it's
• 13:08
  a
• 13:08
  hard
• 13:08
  comparison
• 13:09
  to
• 13:09
  make,
• 13:11
  but
• 13:12
  how
• 13:13
  would
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  compare
• 13:16
  the
• 13:19
  anti
• 13:20
  Semitism
• 13:21
  he
• 13:21
  faced
• 13:22
  compared
• 13:23
  to
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  racism
• 13:25
  that
• 13:25
  Jackie
• 13:26
  Robinson
• 13:27
  faced?
• 13:27
  Because
• 13:27
  while
• 13:28
  it
• 13:28
  wasn't
• 13:28
  at
• 13:28
  exactly
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  same
• 13:29
  time,
• 13:30
  it
• 13:30
  was
• 13:30
  in
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  same
• 13:31
  time
• 13:31
  period.
• 13:33
  Well,
• 13:33
  I
• 13:34
  think
• 13:35
  Jackie
• 13:36
  Robinson,
• 13:38
  you
• 13:38
  didn't
• 13:38
  have
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  know
• 13:38
  his
• 13:39
  antitheticity.
• 13:39
  You
• 13:40
  could
• 13:40
  just
• 13:40
  see
• 13:40
  it.
• 13:40
  So
• 13:40
  I
• 13:41
  think
• 13:41
  that
• 13:41
  would,
• 13:41
  you
• 13:41
  know,
• 13:41
  that
• 13:42
  right
• 13:42
  there,
• 13:42
  that's
• 13:43
  a,
• 13:43
  you
• 13:43
  know,
• 13:44
  that,
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  know,
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  could
• 13:45
  look
• 13:45
  at
• 13:46
  Roseanne
• 13:46
  and
• 13:46
  you
• 13:46
  wouldn't
• 13:47
  know,
• 13:47
  you
• 13:47
  know,
• 13:49
  you
• 13:50
  know,
• 13:50
  you
• 13:50
  wouldn't
• 13:50
  know,
• 13:51
  I
• 13:51
  guess.
• 13:51
  And,
• 13:52
  but,
• 13:53
  you
• 13:54
  know,
• 13:54
  Jackie
• 13:54
  Robinson
• 13:55
  you,
• 13:55
  you
• 13:56
  would,
• 13:56
  you
• 13:56
  would,
• 13:57
  you
• 13:57
  would,
• 13:58
  you
• 13:58
  would
• 13:58
  identify
• 13:58
  right
• 13:59
  away.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:02
  no.
• 14:02
  Hank
• 14:02
  Greenberg
• 14:03
  went
• 14:03
  through
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  same
• 14:03
  thing.
• 14:03
  Of
• 14:04
  course,
• 14:04
  he
• 14:04
  was
• 14:04
  general
• 14:04
  manager
• 14:05
  when
• 14:05
  Rosen
• 14:05
  was
• 14:05
  in
• 14:06
  Cleveland.
• 14:06
  And,
• 14:07
  you
• 14:07
  know,
• 14:07
  he,
• 14:08
  he
• 14:09
  went
• 14:09
  through
• 14:09
  the
• 14:09
  same
• 14:12
  hurdles
• 14:12
  and
• 14:12
  that
• 14:13
  Rosen
• 14:13
  did
• 14:13
  just
• 14:14
  a
• 14:14
  couple
• 14:14
  decades
• 14:14
  earlier,
• 14:15
  you
• 14:15
  know,
• 14:15
  so
• 14:17
  whether
• 14:17
  they
• 14:18
  talked
• 14:18
  about
• 14:18
  that,
• 14:19
  I'm
• 14:19
  not
• 14:19
  sure.
• 14:19
  But,
• 14:19
  you
• 14:20
  know,
• 14:20
  he
• 14:20
  had
• 14:20
  someone
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  talk
• 14:21
  about
• 14:21
  it,
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  guess,
• 14:22
  if
• 14:22
  he
• 14:22
  wanted
• 14:22
  to.
• 14:23
  Because
• 14:23
  like
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  said,
• 14:24
  Greenberg
• 14:24
  went
• 14:24
  through
• 14:25
  the
• 14:25
  same,
• 14:25
  same
• 14:26
  thing.
• 14:30
  Al
• 14:30
  Rosen,
• 14:30
  you
• 14:31
  know,
• 14:31
  you
• 14:31
  brought
• 14:31
  up,
• 14:32
  you
• 14:32
  know,
• 14:32
  he
• 14:33
  had
• 14:33
  asthma
• 14:33
  as
• 14:33
  a
• 14:34
  child.
• 14:34
  They
• 14:34
  had
• 14:34
  to
• 14:34
  move
• 14:35
  south.
• 14:36
  He
• 14:37
  was
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  fighter,
• 14:37
  a
• 14:38
  boxer.
• 14:39
  Father
• 14:39
  left
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  family.
• 14:41
  How
• 14:42
  did
• 14:42
  his
• 14:42
  upbringing
• 14:44
  shape
• 14:45
  both
• 14:46
  his
• 14:46
  toughness
• 14:48
  and
• 14:48
  his
• 14:48
  identity
• 14:49
  as
• 14:50
  a
• 14:50
  player?
• 14:51
  Well,
• 14:52
  you
• 14:52
  know,
• 14:52
  he
• 14:52
  was.
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  think
• 14:53
  that
• 14:56
  he
• 14:56
  never,
• 14:56
  he
• 14:57
  never
• 14:57
  played
• 14:57
  college
• 14:58
  ball
• 14:58
  or
• 14:58
  anything.
• 14:58
  He
• 14:58
  never
• 14:58
  really
• 14:59
  played.
• 14:59
  He
• 15:00
  never
• 15:00
  played
• 15:00
  ball
• 15:00
  except
• 15:01
  in
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  park.
• 15:01
  You
• 15:01
  know,
• 15:01
  they
• 15:01
  didn't
• 15:01
  have
• 15:02
  organized
• 15:02
  teams
• 15:02
  and
• 15:03
  so
• 15:03
  they
• 15:03
  had
• 15:03
  softball,
• 15:04
  which
• 15:04
  is
• 15:04
  where
• 15:04
  he
• 15:04
  got
• 15:04
  his
• 15:04
  name
• 15:05
  Flip
• 15:06
  for
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  way
• 15:06
  he
• 15:06
  pitched
• 15:07
  softball.
• 15:09
  And
• 15:09
  I
• 15:09
  think,
• 15:09
  you
• 15:10
  know,
• 15:10
  when
• 15:10
  you
• 15:10
  are
• 15:11
  faced
• 15:11
  with
• 15:13
  that
• 15:13
  kind
• 15:13
  of
• 15:13
  hatred,
• 15:14
  you
• 15:14
  are,
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  are
• 15:15
  going
• 15:15
  to
• 15:16
  be
• 15:16
  a
• 15:16
  fighter.
• 15:17
  You
• 15:17
  are
• 15:17
  going
• 15:17
  to
• 15:17
  be.
• 15:17
  You
• 15:18
  are
• 15:18
  going
• 15:18
  to
• 15:19
  take
• 15:19
  on
• 15:19
  people
• 15:20
  when
• 15:20
  they,
• 15:21
  no
• 15:21
  matter
• 15:21
  what
• 15:22
  the
• 15:22
  situation
• 15:22
  is.
• 15:23
  And
• 15:23
  I
• 15:23
  think
• 15:24
  that's
• 15:24
  what
• 15:24
  grew
• 15:24
  him
• 15:24
  to
• 15:25
  be
• 15:26
  a
• 15:27
  really
• 15:27
  good
• 15:27
  ballplayer.
• 15:27
  You
• 15:28
  know,
• 15:28
  when
• 15:29
  he
• 15:29
  came
• 15:29
  up,
• 15:32
  he
• 15:32
  wasn't
• 15:32
  that
• 15:32
  great
• 15:32
  of
• 15:33
  a
• 15:33
  fielder
• 15:33
  or
• 15:33
  hitter,
• 15:34
  but
• 15:34
  he
• 15:34
  made
• 15:34
  himself
• 15:35
  into
• 15:35
  one
• 15:36
  just
• 15:36
  by
• 15:36
  practice
• 15:37
  and
• 15:37
  perseverance
• 15:38
  and,
• 15:38
  you
• 15:38
  know,
• 15:38
  and
• 15:39
  I
• 15:39
  think
• 15:39
  that's
• 15:39
  that
• 15:39
  fighting
• 15:40
  mentality.
• 15:41
  You
• 15:41
  tell
• 15:42
  me
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  can't
• 15:42
  do
• 15:42
  it,
• 15:42
  but
• 15:42
  I'm
• 15:43
  going
• 15:43
  to.
• 15:43
  And
• 15:43
  I
• 15:43
  think
• 15:44
  that's
• 15:44
  what
• 15:45
  he
• 15:45
  drew
• 15:45
  on.
• 15:47
  Where
• 15:47
  did
• 15:48
  he
• 15:48
  learn
• 15:48
  to
• 15:48
  play
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  game?
• 15:49
  How
• 15:49
  did
• 15:49
  he
• 15:49
  learn
• 15:50
  to
• 15:50
  play
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  game
• 15:50
  game?
• 15:52
  Well,
• 15:52
  they
• 15:52
  had
• 15:53
  pickup
• 15:53
  games
• 15:53
  in,
• 15:54
  in,
• 15:54
  in
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  Miami
• 15:55
  area
• 15:55
  at
• 15:56
  different
• 15:56
  playgrounds
• 15:56
  and
• 15:57
  so
• 15:57
  forth.
• 15:57
  And
• 15:59
  when
• 15:59
  he
• 15:59
  went
• 15:59
  to.
• 15:59
  He
• 16:00
  went
• 16:00
  to
• 16:00
  Florida
• 16:00
  and
• 16:01
  Miami
• 16:02
  and
• 16:03
  actually
• 16:04
  he
• 16:05
  played
• 16:05
  football.
• 16:05
  I
• 16:05
  think
• 16:06
  it
• 16:06
  was
• 16:06
  for
• 16:07
  Miami
• 16:09
  one
• 16:09
  year.
• 16:10
  But
• 16:12
  he
• 16:12
  was
• 16:12
  dating
• 16:13
  a
• 16:13
  grow
• 16:13
  who
• 16:13
  was
• 16:13
  a
• 16:15
  clubhouse
• 16:16
  pro
• 16:18
  and
• 16:18
  a
• 16:19
  friend
• 16:19
  of.
• 16:24
  Roger
• 16:24
  Peckinpah,
• 16:25
  who
• 16:25
  was
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  manager
• 16:26
  of
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  Indians
• 16:27
  in,
• 16:27
  in
• 16:28
  1941
• 16:30
  or
• 16:30
  42,
• 16:30
  I
• 16:30
  think,
• 16:31
  and.
• 16:31
  Or
• 16:32
  before
• 16:33
  Boudreaux,
• 16:33
  I'm
• 16:33
  not.
• 16:34
  Before
• 16:34
  Boudreaux,
• 16:35
  I
• 16:35
  think.
• 16:36
  And
• 16:37
  they
• 16:37
  recommended,
• 16:38
  he
• 16:38
  recommended
• 16:39
  the
• 16:39
  golf
• 16:39
  pros
• 16:40
  in
• 16:40
  front
• 16:40
  of
• 16:40
  Peckinpah.
• 16:41
  And
• 16:41
  you
• 16:41
  recommended
• 16:42
  Rosen.
• 16:42
  He
• 16:42
  had
• 16:42
  seen
• 16:43
  him
• 16:43
  play
• 16:43
  on
• 16:43
  the
• 16:43
  sandlots
• 16:44
  and
• 16:44
  that's
• 16:45
  where
• 16:45
  that
• 16:45
  connection
• 16:45
  was
• 16:46
  made.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:47
  of
• 16:47
  course,
• 16:47
  he
• 16:48
  went
• 16:48
  to
• 16:48
  one
• 16:48
  year
• 16:48
  minor
• 16:49
  leagues
• 16:49
  and
• 16:49
  then
• 16:50
  he
• 16:51
  served
• 16:51
  three
• 16:51
  years
• 16:51
  with
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  Navy.
• 16:52
  So
• 16:53
  he,
• 16:53
  you
• 16:53
  know,
• 16:54
  it
• 16:54
  was
• 16:54
  put
• 16:54
  on
• 16:54
  hold
• 16:55
  almost
• 16:55
  right
• 16:55
  away.
• 16:56
  Yeah.
• 16:57
  So
• 16:57
  he
• 16:57
  went
• 16:57
  to
• 16:57
  College,
• 16:58
  University
• 16:58
  of
• 16:59
  Florida.
• 17:00
  Left
• 17:00
  to
• 17:00
  play
• 17:00
  minor
• 17:01
  league
• 17:01
  baseball
• 17:02
  and
• 17:02
  the
• 17:02
  war
• 17:03
  broke
• 17:03
  out.
• 17:04
  He
• 17:04
  served
• 17:04
  in
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  Navy
• 17:05
  before
• 17:06
  getting
• 17:06
  back
• 17:07
  to
• 17:07
  minor
• 17:07
  league
• 17:08
  baseball.
• 17:09
  He,
• 17:11
  he
• 17:11
  wasn't
• 17:11
  really
• 17:12
  challenged
• 17:13
  in
• 17:13
  the
• 17:13
  minors.
• 17:14
  He
• 17:15
  was
• 17:15
  just
• 17:15
  a
• 17:16
  really
• 17:17
  solid
• 17:17
  good
• 17:18
  ball
• 17:18
  player.
• 17:19
  Well,
• 17:19
  he
• 17:19
  was,
• 17:19
  he
• 17:20
  was
• 17:20
  a
• 17:20
  really
• 17:20
  good
• 17:20
  athlete
• 17:21
  like.
• 17:21
  But
• 17:22
  again
• 17:24
  he
• 17:24
  could
• 17:24
  hit.
• 17:25
  He
• 17:25
  could
• 17:26
  always
• 17:26
  hit.
• 17:26
  Now
• 17:26
  his
• 17:26
  defensive
• 17:27
  third
• 17:27
  base
• 17:27
  was,
• 17:28
  you
• 17:28
  know
• 17:28
  he
• 17:28
  played.
• 17:29
  I
• 17:30
  think
• 17:30
  the
• 17:30
  ball
• 17:30
  hit
• 17:30
  his
• 17:30
  face
• 17:31
  more
• 17:31
  than
• 17:31
  his
• 17:31
  glove.
• 17:31
  You
• 17:32
  know
• 17:32
  he
• 17:32
  had,
• 17:32
  he
• 17:33
  had
• 17:33
  several
• 17:33
  broken
• 17:33
  noses
• 17:34
  his
• 17:34
  son
• 17:35
  told
• 17:35
  me
• 17:35
  from
• 17:35
  playing
• 17:35
  third
• 17:36
  base
• 17:36
  and
• 17:37
  there
• 17:37
  were
• 17:37
  game
• 17:37
  and
• 17:37
  he
• 17:38
  was
• 17:38
  a
• 17:38
  gamer.
• 17:38
  He
• 17:39
  did
• 17:39
  not
• 17:39
  want
• 17:39
  to
• 17:39
  be
• 17:39
  taken
• 17:39
  out
• 17:39
  of
• 17:40
  games
• 17:40
  and
• 17:40
  stuff
• 17:40
  but
• 17:40
  you
• 17:41
  know,
• 17:41
  stitch
• 17:41
  me
• 17:41
  up
• 17:41
  and
• 17:42
  put
• 17:42
  me
• 17:42
  in.
• 17:42
  He
• 17:43
  didn't
• 17:43
  want
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  miss
• 17:43
  games.
• 17:44
  But
• 17:44
  he
• 17:44
  was
• 17:45
  you
• 17:45
  know
• 17:45
  again
• 17:45
  a
• 17:46
  fighter.
• 17:46
  But
• 17:47
  is,
• 17:48
  is
• 17:49
  when
• 17:50
  he
• 17:50
  was
• 17:50
  in
• 17:50
  Kansas
• 17:50
  City
• 17:53
  they
• 17:54
  had
• 17:54
  a
• 17:54
  shared
• 17:54
  minor
• 17:55
  league
• 17:55
  team
• 17:55
  with
• 17:55
  the
• 17:55
  Yankees
• 17:56
  and
• 17:57
  some
• 17:57
  of
• 17:57
  the
• 17:57
  players
• 17:57
  said
• 17:58
  that
• 17:58
  his,
• 17:58
  his
• 17:59
  fielding
• 17:59
  was
• 18:00
  greatly
• 18:00
  improved
• 18:01
  from
• 18:01
  where
• 18:01
  he
• 18:02
  got
• 18:02
  to
• 18:02
  the
• 18:04
  major
• 18:04
  leagues
• 18:05
  from
• 18:05
  when
• 18:05
  he
• 18:05
  was
• 18:05
  in
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  minors.
• 18:06
  Now
• 18:07
  that
• 18:07
  doesn't
• 18:07
  mean
• 18:07
  it
• 18:07
  was
• 18:08
  great,
• 18:08
  but
• 18:08
  it
• 18:08
  was
• 18:08
  just
• 18:09
  improved.
• 18:09
  So
• 18:10
  I,
• 18:10
  I
• 18:10
  don't
• 18:10
  really
• 18:10
  know,
• 18:11
  you
• 18:11
  know
• 18:11
  what,
• 18:11
  what
• 18:12
  that,
• 18:12
  what
• 18:12
  that
• 18:12
  was.
• 18:13
  Right.
• 18:13
  Well,
• 18:14
  in
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  minors,
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  mean
• 18:15
  his,
• 18:16
  his,
• 18:16
  his
• 18:16
  first
• 18:17
  full
• 18:17
  season
• 18:18
  really
• 18:18
  in
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  minors
• 18:19
  came
• 18:21
  after
• 18:21
  the
• 18:22
  war
• 18:22
  anyway.
• 18:23
  Right.
• 18:23
  Was
• 18:24
  with
• 18:24
  Pittsfield
• 18:25
  in
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  Can
• 18:25
  Am
• 18:26
  League
• 18:26
  and
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  mean
• 18:27
  you
• 18:27
  know,
• 18:28
  let's
• 18:28
  see,
• 18:29
  15
• 18:29
  home
• 18:29
  runs,
• 18:30
  86
• 18:30
  rubies.
• 18:31
  He
• 18:31
  had
• 18:31
  323
• 18:31
  and
• 18:32
  107
• 18:33
  games.
• 18:34
  And
• 18:34
  then
• 18:34
  with
• 18:35
  Oklahoma
• 18:35
  City
• 18:35
  in
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  Texas
• 18:36
  League,
• 18:37
  Double
• 18:37
  A
• 18:37
  ball
• 18:37
  really,
• 18:39
  you
• 18:39
  know,
• 18:39
  he
• 18:40
  hit.349,
• 18:42
  25
• 18:43
  homers,
• 18:44
  141
• 18:46
  RBI.
• 18:47
  I
• 18:47
  mean
• 18:48
  again
• 18:49
  and
• 18:49
  he
• 18:49
  had
• 18:49
  some
• 18:49
  really
• 18:50
  spectacular
• 18:50
  games
• 18:51
  in
• 18:51
  series
• 18:51
  too
• 18:52
  in
• 18:53
  there.
• 18:53
  And
• 18:55
  like
• 18:56
  I
• 18:56
  said,
• 18:56
  you
• 18:56
  know
• 18:56
  he,
• 18:56
  he
• 18:57
  had
• 18:57
  power.
• 18:57
  He,
• 18:57
  he
• 18:58
  could
• 18:58
  always
• 18:58
  hit.
• 19:00
  But
• 19:00
  you
• 19:01
  know
• 19:01
  they
• 19:01
  had.
• 19:02
  Ken
• 19:02
  Keltner
• 19:03
  was
• 19:03
  holding
• 19:03
  down
• 19:03
  third
• 19:03
  base
• 19:04
  so.
• 19:04
  And
• 19:04
  who
• 19:05
  was
• 19:05
  a
• 19:05
  terrific
• 19:05
  fielder.
• 19:07
  So
• 19:09
  when
• 19:09
  Rosen
• 19:11
  did
• 19:11
  get
• 19:11
  his,
• 19:13
  you
• 19:13
  know,
• 19:13
  call
• 19:13
  ups,
• 19:15
  he
• 19:15
  wasn't
• 19:16
  hitting
• 19:16
  very
• 19:16
  well.
• 19:16
  He
• 19:17
  didn't
• 19:17
  get
• 19:17
  much
• 19:17
  opportunity
• 19:18
  but
• 19:18
  he
• 19:18
  wasn't
• 19:18
  hitting
• 19:19
  well.
• 19:19
  So
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  know,
• 19:20
  back
• 19:20
  to
• 19:21
  the
• 19:21
  minors
• 19:21
  you
• 19:21
  went.
• 19:21
  And
• 19:21
  like
• 19:22
  you
• 19:22
  said,
• 19:23
  you
• 19:23
  know,
• 19:23
  he,
• 19:23
  he
• 19:24
  did
• 19:24
  really
• 19:24
  well.
• 19:25
  Yeah,
• 19:25
  I
• 19:26
  mean
• 19:26
  and
• 19:26
  he
• 19:27
  got
• 19:27
  his
• 19:27
  first
• 19:27
  call
• 19:28
  up
• 19:28
  was
• 19:28
  in
• 19:28
  1947.
• 19:30
  He
• 19:30
  appeared
• 19:30
  in
• 19:31
  seven
• 19:31
  games
• 19:32
  and
• 19:32
  didn't
• 19:33
  do
• 19:33
  all,
• 19:34
  all
• 19:34
  that
• 19:34
  well.
• 19:34
  He
• 19:34
  had
• 19:35
  one
• 19:35
  hit
• 19:36
  in
• 19:36
  nine
• 19:36
  at
• 19:36
  bats
• 19:37
  anyways
• 19:38
  back
• 19:38
  down
• 19:39
  to
• 19:39
  Kansas
• 19:39
  City
• 19:39
  as
• 19:40
  you
• 19:40
  mentioned
• 19:41
  and
• 19:42
  you
• 19:42
  know
• 19:42
  in
• 19:43
  48,
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  mean
• 19:44
  he
• 19:44
  had
• 19:44
  a
• 19:44
  heck
• 19:44
  of
• 19:44
  a
• 19:44
  season
• 19:45
  with
• 19:45
  KC3,326,
• 19:46
  25
• 19:47
  homers,
• 19:48
  110
• 19:48
  ribbies.
• 19:49
  And,
• 19:50
  and
• 19:50
  Cleveland
• 19:50
  did
• 19:51
  call
• 19:51
  him
• 19:51
  up
• 19:51
  and
• 19:51
  they
• 19:52
  thought
• 19:52
  Enough
• 19:52
  of
• 19:52
  him
• 19:53
  to
• 19:54
  keep
• 19:54
  him
• 19:55
  on
• 19:55
  the
• 19:55
  roster
• 19:56
  for
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  World
• 19:57
  Series.
• 19:57
  And
• 19:57
  he,
• 19:57
  he
• 19:58
  actually
• 19:58
  appeared
• 19:58
  in
• 19:59
  a
• 19:59
  game
• 19:59
  in
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  World
• 20:00
  Series
• 20:00
  in
• 20:00
  48.
• 20:01
  Well,
• 20:01
  the
• 20:02
  reason,
• 20:02
  the
• 20:02
  reason
• 20:03
  they,
• 20:03
  they
• 20:03
  kept
• 20:04
  him
• 20:04
  was
• 20:04
  because.
• 20:09
  The
• 20:09
  one
• 20:09
  pitcher
• 20:10
  had
• 20:10
  a,
• 20:13
  he
• 20:13
  collapsed
• 20:14
  at
• 20:14
  home
• 20:14
  plate
• 20:15
  and
• 20:16
  they
• 20:16
  actually
• 20:16
  added
• 20:16
  him
• 20:17
  to
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  roster
• 20:17
  after
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  deadline.
• 20:18
  But
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  bra.
• 20:19
  The
• 20:19
  Braves
• 20:19
  had
• 20:20
  to
• 20:20
  allow
• 20:20
  it.
• 20:21
  They
• 20:21
  had
• 20:21
  agreed
• 20:21
  to
• 20:22
  it.
• 20:23
  And
• 20:23
  he,
• 20:26
  he
• 20:26
  said
• 20:26
  that,
• 20:29
  you
• 20:29
  know,
• 20:29
  he
• 20:30
  was
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  bat,
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  know,
• 20:31
  so
• 20:32
  they
• 20:32
  were,
• 20:32
  you
• 20:32
  know,
• 20:32
  they
• 20:33
  were,
• 20:33
  they,
• 20:33
  they
• 20:34
  brought
• 20:34
  him
• 20:34
  along
• 20:35
  and
• 20:36
  he
• 20:36
  did
• 20:37
  pitch
• 20:37
  head
• 20:37
  for
• 20:37
  Satchel
• 20:38
  Page.
• 20:39
  Don
• 20:39
  Black
• 20:39
  was
• 20:40
  the
• 20:40
  pitcher.
• 20:40
  He,
• 20:42
  he,
• 20:42
  he
• 20:42
  collapsed
• 20:43
  at
• 20:43
  home
• 20:43
  play
• 20:43
  late,
• 20:44
  late
• 20:44
  in
• 20:44
  the
• 20:45
  game
• 20:46
  and
• 20:47
  that's
• 20:47
  when
• 20:47
  they
• 20:47
  put
• 20:47
  Rosen
• 20:48
  on
• 20:48
  the
• 20:48
  team.
• 20:49
  And
• 20:49
  funny
• 20:50
  about
• 20:50
  that.
• 20:50
  1947,
• 20:52
  that
• 20:52
  was
• 20:52
  the
• 20:53
  last
• 20:53
  time
• 20:53
  he
• 20:53
  saw
• 20:54
  his
• 20:54
  father
• 20:54
  outside
• 20:55
  Yankee
• 20:55
  Stadium.
• 20:56
  His
• 20:56
  father
• 20:57
  had
• 20:58
  heard
• 20:58
  about
• 20:58
  his
• 20:58
  career,
• 20:59
  went
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  go
• 20:59
  see
• 20:59
  him
• 20:59
  and
• 21:01
  whatever
• 21:01
  happened.
• 21:02
  And
• 21:02
  that's
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  last
• 21:02
  time
• 21:02
  you
• 21:02
  saw
• 21:03
  him.
• 21:07
  Well,
• 21:07
  again,
• 21:08
  you
• 21:08
  know,
• 21:09
  so
• 21:09
  47,
• 21:10
  48,
• 21:11
  49
• 21:13
  sort
• 21:13
  of
• 21:13
  gets
• 21:14
  a,
• 21:15
  another
• 21:15
  cup
• 21:15
  of
• 21:16
  coffee
• 21:16
  with,
• 21:17
  with
• 21:17
  Cleveland.
• 21:19
  Here's
• 21:19
  in
• 21:19
  23
• 21:20
  games
• 21:20
  talk
• 21:20
  about
• 21:21
  that.
• 21:21
  Well,
• 21:22
  49,
• 21:22
  he
• 21:22
  actually
• 21:22
  broke
• 21:23
  camp
• 21:23
  with
• 21:23
  the
• 21:23
  Indians.
• 21:25
  He
• 21:25
  broke
• 21:26
  camp
• 21:26
  with
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  Indians
• 21:27
  and
• 21:27
  what
• 21:28
  happened
• 21:28
  was
• 21:29
  Keltner
• 21:30
  got
• 21:30
  hurt
• 21:32
  and
• 21:33
  they,
• 21:34
  well,
• 21:34
  they
• 21:35
  sent
• 21:35
  him
• 21:35
  down
• 21:35
  to
• 21:35
  San
• 21:35
  Diego.
• 21:36
  Keltner
• 21:37
  got
• 21:37
  hurt,
• 21:37
  but
• 21:37
  they
• 21:38
  didn't
• 21:38
  recall
• 21:38
  Rosen.
• 21:40
  Bob
• 21:41
  Kennedy
• 21:41
  played
• 21:42
  third
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  so
• 21:42
  did
• 21:42
  Boudreaux,
• 21:43
  Ray
• 21:44
  Buna,
• 21:44
  maybe
• 21:44
  a
• 21:44
  couple
• 21:44
  games.
• 21:45
  So
• 21:45
  they
• 21:45
  didn't,
• 21:46
  they
• 21:46
  didn't
• 21:46
  call
• 21:46
  up
• 21:47
  Rosen.
• 21:48
  They
• 21:48
  just
• 21:48
  kept
• 21:48
  him
• 21:48
  in
• 21:48
  San
• 21:49
  Diego.
• 21:49
  They
• 21:49
  didn't
• 21:49
  even
• 21:49
  bring
• 21:50
  him
• 21:50
  back
• 21:50
  up.
• 21:50
  So
• 21:51
  in
• 21:52
  49,
• 21:52
  he
• 21:52
  broke
• 21:53
  camp
• 21:53
  with
• 21:53
  the
• 21:54
  Tribe,
• 21:54
  but
• 21:54
  then
• 21:55
  he
• 21:55
  got
• 21:55
  sent
• 21:55
  down
• 21:55
  and
• 21:56
  never
• 21:56
  got
• 21:56
  back.
• 21:57
  Well,
• 21:58
  and
• 21:58
  then
• 21:58
  came
• 21:58
  the
• 21:59
  big
• 21:59
  year
• 21:59
  in
• 21:59
  1950.
• 22:01
  He
• 22:01
  makes
• 22:02
  his
• 22:02
  way
• 22:03
  and
• 22:03
  becomes
• 22:04
  a
• 22:04
  regular
• 22:05
  with
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  team.
• 22:06
  And
• 22:06
  I
• 22:06
  mean,
• 22:06
  my
• 22:07
  gosh,
• 22:07
  what
• 22:08
  a
• 22:08
  rookie
• 22:09
  year.
• 22:09
  Hit.287,
• 22:11
  set
• 22:11
  the
• 22:12
  American
• 22:12
  League
• 22:12
  record
• 22:13
  for
• 22:13
  most
• 22:13
  home
• 22:14
  runs
• 22:14
  by
• 22:14
  a
• 22:14
  rookie
• 22:15
  with
• 22:15
  37.
• 22:16
  Knocks
• 22:17
  in
• 22:17
  116
• 22:19
  finishes,
• 22:20
  I
• 22:20
  think
• 22:21
  in
• 22:21
  the
• 22:21
  top
• 22:21
  20
• 22:22
  for
• 22:23
  MVP
• 22:23
  voting.
• 22:25
  But
• 22:25
  the
• 22:26
  rookie
• 22:26
  of
• 22:26
  the
• 22:26
  year,
• 22:27
  he
• 22:27
  picked
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  wrong
• 22:28
  year.
• 22:30
  Yeah,
• 22:30
  Waltropo
• 22:31
  wins
• 22:32
  rookie
• 22:32
  of
• 22:32
  the
• 22:32
  Year.
• 22:33
  And,
• 22:33
  and
• 22:34
  you
• 22:34
  know,
• 22:35
  Whitey
• 22:35
  Ford
• 22:36
  I
• 22:37
  think
• 22:37
  finished
• 22:37
  second.
• 22:38
  And
• 22:40
  you
• 22:40
  know,
• 22:40
  he
• 22:40
  was,
• 22:42
  let's
• 22:42
  see,
• 22:42
  he,
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  mean
• 22:43
  he,
• 22:44
  he.
• 22:45
  There
• 22:45
  was
• 22:45
  a
• 22:45
  heck
• 22:46
  of
• 22:46
  a
• 22:46
  season
• 22:47
  for,
• 22:47
  for
• 22:48
  rookies.
• 22:48
  Third
• 22:49
  place
• 22:49
  went
• 22:50
  to
• 22:52
  Chico
• 22:52
  Carrasqual.
• 22:53
  I
• 22:54
  can't
• 22:54
  even
• 22:54
  say.
• 22:55
  Yeah,
• 22:55
  yeah.
• 22:55
  Can't
• 22:56
  even
• 22:56
  say
• 22:56
  his
• 22:56
  name.
• 22:57
  I
• 22:57
  mean,
• 22:57
  tough
• 22:58
  competition.
• 22:59
  Well,
• 23:00
  well,
• 23:00
  not
• 23:00
  only
• 23:00
  that,
• 23:01
  you
• 23:01
  know,
• 23:01
  they,
• 23:01
  so
• 23:01
  they
• 23:01
  ended
• 23:02
  up,
• 23:02
  they
• 23:03
  cut
• 23:03
  Keltner
• 23:04
  and
• 23:06
  so
• 23:07
  they,
• 23:07
  you
• 23:07
  know,
• 23:07
  they
• 23:07
  gave
• 23:07
  the
• 23:07
  third
• 23:07
  base
• 23:08
  job
• 23:08
  to
• 23:08
  Rosen
• 23:09
  and
• 23:09
  the
• 23:10
  home
• 23:10
  opener
• 23:10
  against
• 23:11
  Detroit
• 23:12
  Folks
• 23:13
  were
• 23:13
  cheering.
• 23:13
  They
• 23:14
  wanted
• 23:14
  Keltner.
• 23:15
  They
• 23:15
  were
• 23:15
  chanting
• 23:15
  for
• 23:15
  Keltner.
• 23:17
  Rosen
• 23:17
  hits
• 23:17
  a
• 23:17
  late
• 23:18
  inning
• 23:18
  home
• 23:18
  run.
• 23:19
  They
• 23:19
  lose
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  game,
• 23:19
  but
• 23:20
  he
• 23:20
  hits
• 23:20
  a
• 23:20
  home
• 23:20
  run.
• 23:22
  And
• 23:22
  then,
• 23:22
  you
• 23:23
  know,
• 23:23
  people
• 23:23
  kind
• 23:23
  of,
• 23:24
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:25
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:25
  you
• 23:26
  know,
• 23:26
  that's
• 23:26
  the
• 23:26
  thing.
• 23:27
  What
• 23:27
  do
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  do
• 23:27
  for
• 23:28
  me
• 23:28
  lately?
• 23:28
  And
• 23:28
  he
• 23:28
  hit
• 23:29
  a
• 23:29
  home
• 23:29
  run.
• 23:29
  So
• 23:29
  then
• 23:29
  people,
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:30
  accepted
• 23:31
  him,
• 23:31
  I
• 23:31
  suppose.
• 23:32
  And
• 23:32
  like
• 23:33
  you,
• 23:33
  you
• 23:33
  said
• 23:33
  he
• 23:34
  had
• 23:34
  a
• 23:34
  great
• 23:34
  rookie
• 23:35
  year
• 23:35
  and
• 23:36
  his
• 23:36
  record
• 23:37
  stood,
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  think,
• 23:37
  until
• 23:37
  Troy
• 23:38
  Gloss
• 23:38
  broke
• 23:39
  it.
• 23:39
  I
• 23:39
  think
• 23:39
  when
• 23:39
  he
• 23:39
  was
• 23:39
  with
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  Angels
• 23:40
  for
• 23:40
  most
• 23:40
  home
• 23:40
  runs
• 23:41
  by
• 23:41
  a
• 23:41
  rookie.
• 23:44
  Well,
• 23:44
  I
• 23:44
  mean,
• 23:44
  he,
• 23:45
  he
• 23:45
  had
• 23:46
  a
• 23:47
  great
• 23:48
  rookie
• 23:48
  season.
• 23:49
  Where
• 23:50
  was
• 23:50
  there
• 23:51
  any
• 23:52
  games
• 23:52
  in
• 23:53
  particular
• 23:53
  that
• 23:54
  stood
• 23:54
  out?
• 23:54
  Where
• 23:55
  or
• 23:56
  when
• 23:56
  was
• 23:56
  it
• 23:57
  that
• 23:59
  the
• 23:59
  Cleveland
• 24:00
  fans
• 24:01
  finally
• 24:02
  embraced
• 24:02
  him
• 24:04
  and
• 24:04
  accepted
• 24:05
  him
• 24:06
  as
• 24:07
  the
• 24:07
  new
• 24:08
  third
• 24:08
  baseman
• 24:09
  and
• 24:10
  bad
• 24:10
  term,
• 24:11
  but
• 24:11
  forgot
• 24:12
  about
• 24:12
  Keltner?
• 24:12
  Yep.
• 24:13
  We're
• 24:13
  gonna,
• 24:14
  we
• 24:14
  like
• 24:15
  Rose
• 24:15
  in
• 24:15
  that.
• 24:16
  Well,
• 24:17
  I
• 24:17
  don't
• 24:17
  know.
• 24:18
  I
• 24:18
  couldn't
• 24:18
  pinpoint
• 24:19
  a
• 24:19
  specific
• 24:19
  time
• 24:20
  when
• 24:20
  it
• 24:20
  happened.
• 24:21
  But
• 24:21
  I
• 24:21
  do
• 24:22
  know
• 24:22
  that,
• 24:23
  you
• 24:23
  know,
• 24:24
  like
• 24:25
  I
• 24:25
  said
• 24:25
  in
• 24:25
  that
• 24:25
  opener,
• 24:26
  after
• 24:26
  he
• 24:26
  hit
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  home
• 24:27
  run,
• 24:27
  people
• 24:27
  were
• 24:28
  starting
• 24:28
  to
• 24:29
  see
• 24:29
  a,
• 24:30
  A,
• 24:32
  you
• 24:32
  know,
• 24:32
  a.
• 24:34
  They
• 24:34
  saw
• 24:34
  what
• 24:35
  he
• 24:35
  could
• 24:35
  do.
• 24:36
  And
• 24:37
  you
• 24:38
  know,
• 24:38
  he
• 24:38
  hit
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  home
• 24:39
  run
• 24:39
  in
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  opener,
• 24:39
  then
• 24:39
  he
• 24:40
  hit
• 24:40
  another
• 24:40
  one
• 24:40
  until
• 24:41
  the
• 24:41
  middle
• 24:41
  of
• 24:41
  May
• 24:42
  and
• 24:43
  his
• 24:43
  average
• 24:43
  was,
• 24:44
  you
• 24:44
  know,
• 24:45
  it
• 24:45
  wasn't
• 24:45
  that
• 24:45
  great.
• 24:46
  But
• 24:46
  eventually,
• 24:47
  as
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  season
• 24:47
  got
• 24:48
  along,
• 24:48
  he
• 24:49
  picked
• 24:49
  it
• 24:49
  up
• 24:49
  and
• 24:50
  by
• 24:50
  the
• 24:51
  end
• 24:51
  of
• 24:51
  May,
• 24:51
  he
• 24:51
  was
• 24:52
  hitting
• 24:52
  close
• 24:52
  to.300.
• 24:54
  So,
• 24:54
  you
• 24:55
  know,
• 24:55
  I
• 24:55
  think
• 24:55
  it
• 24:55
  was
• 24:56
  just
• 24:58
  an
• 24:58
  opening
• 24:59
  day
• 24:59
  home
• 24:59
  run.
• 25:01
  It
• 25:02
  quiets
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  folks
• 25:02
  down.
• 25:03
  And
• 25:03
  then
• 25:03
  they
• 25:03
  just
• 25:03
  waited
• 25:04
  to
• 25:04
  see
• 25:04
  what
• 25:04
  he
• 25:04
  could
• 25:04
  do.
• 25:05
  And
• 25:05
  he
• 25:06
  came
• 25:06
  along.
• 25:08
  He
• 25:08
  never
• 25:08
  really
• 25:08
  had,
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  think
• 25:09
  he
• 25:09
  had
• 25:09
  one
• 25:09
  game
• 25:10
  in
• 25:10
  his
• 25:10
  career,
• 25:10
  he
• 25:10
  had
• 25:11
  three
• 25:11
  home
• 25:11
  runs.
• 25:12
  But
• 25:12
  he,
• 25:12
  you
• 25:12
  know,
• 25:13
  he
• 25:13
  never
• 25:14
  really
• 25:14
  had,
• 25:14
  you
• 25:14
  know,
• 25:15
  dominant
• 25:15
  stats.
• 25:16
  I
• 25:16
  know
• 25:16
  there
• 25:16
  was
• 25:16
  a
• 25:16
  game
• 25:16
  in
• 25:17
  June,
• 25:17
  he
• 25:17
  had
• 25:17
  four
• 25:18
  RBIs,
• 25:18
  I
• 25:18
  believe.
• 25:19
  But
• 25:19
  you
• 25:20
  know,
• 25:20
  back
• 25:20
  then
• 25:21
  too,
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  Indians
• 25:22
  were
• 25:22
  fighting
• 25:23
  for
• 25:23
  penance
• 25:23
  every
• 25:24
  year
• 25:24
  with
• 25:24
  the
• 25:24
  Yankees.
• 25:25
  So,
• 25:26
  you
• 25:26
  know,
• 25:26
  you,
• 25:26
  you
• 25:27
  needed,
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  know,
• 25:28
  you,
• 25:28
  you
• 25:28
  needed,
• 25:29
  you
• 25:29
  needed
• 25:29
  his
• 25:29
  muscle
• 25:30
  in
• 25:30
  the
• 25:30
  lineup.
• 25:35
  What
• 25:35
  kind.
• 25:35
  Did
• 25:36
  he
• 25:36
  face
• 25:37
  a
• 25:38
  lot
• 25:38
  of
• 25:38
  anti
• 25:39
  Semitism
• 25:40
  in
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  majors
• 25:41
  or
• 25:41
  was
• 25:41
  that
• 25:42
  really
• 25:43
  a
• 25:43
  minor
• 25:44
  league
• 25:45
  thing?
• 25:45
  And,
• 25:45
  and
• 25:46
  no,
• 25:46
  he,
• 25:47
  he
• 25:47
  did
• 25:48
  maybe
• 25:49
  not
• 25:49
  as
• 25:49
  much.
• 25:49
  And
• 25:49
  now
• 25:50
  Rosen
• 25:50
  Talk
• 25:51
  felt
• 25:51
  that
• 25:52
  when
• 25:53
  Israel
• 25:53
  became
• 25:53
  a
• 25:53
  Nation
• 25:54
  in
• 25:54
  1946
• 25:56
  or
• 25:56
  47,
• 25:56
  it
• 25:57
  showed
• 25:57
  that
• 25:57
  the
• 25:57
  Jews
• 25:57
  folks
• 25:58
  would
• 25:58
  stick
• 25:58
  up
• 25:58
  and
• 25:58
  fight
• 25:59
  for
• 25:59
  themselves.
• 26:00
  And
• 26:00
  he
• 26:00
  always
• 26:01
  felt
• 26:01
  after
• 26:01
  that
• 26:01
  happened,
• 26:02
  he,
• 26:02
  he
• 26:02
  heard
• 26:03
  less
• 26:04
  anti
• 26:04
  Semitism.
• 26:06
  So
• 26:06
  that's,
• 26:09
  I've
• 26:09
  read
• 26:10
  that
• 26:10
  in
• 26:10
  a
• 26:10
  couple
• 26:10
  books.
• 26:11
  That
• 26:11
  was
• 26:12
  his
• 26:12
  reasoning.
• 26:12
  But
• 26:13
  still
• 26:15
  you
• 26:15
  got
• 26:15
  people
• 26:15
  out
• 26:15
  there
• 26:15
  who
• 26:16
  are
• 26:16
  going
• 26:16
  to
• 26:16
  make
• 26:16
  comments
• 26:16
  to
• 26:16
  you.
• 26:17
  I
• 26:17
  know
• 26:17
  one
• 26:17
  time
• 26:17
  he,
• 26:18
  in
• 26:18
  Comiskey
• 26:18
  park,
• 26:22
  the
• 26:22
  end
• 26:22
  of
• 26:22
  an
• 26:22
  innings,
• 26:23
  instead
• 26:23
  of
• 26:23
  running
• 26:23
  to
• 26:24
  first
• 26:24
  base
• 26:24
  dugout,
• 26:25
  where
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  Tribe
• 26:26
  was,
• 26:26
  he
• 26:27
  walked
• 26:27
  over
• 26:27
  to
• 26:27
  third
• 26:27
  base
• 26:28
  dugout
• 26:28
  and
• 26:29
  challenged
• 26:29
  anybody
• 26:30
  who
• 26:30
  was
• 26:30
  making
• 26:31
  comments
• 26:31
  to
• 26:31
  him.
• 26:32
  I
• 26:33
  know
• 26:33
  Matt
• 26:33
  Batts
• 26:33
  to
• 26:34
  catcher
• 26:34
  from
• 26:34
  Boston
• 26:35
  had
• 26:35
  made
• 26:36
  comments
• 26:36
  to
• 26:36
  him.
• 26:37
  And,
• 26:39
  you
• 26:40
  know,
• 26:40
  but
• 26:40
  a
• 26:40
  lot
• 26:40
  of
• 26:41
  that
• 26:41
  too
• 26:41
  was
• 26:43
  his
• 26:43
  rivals
• 26:44
  had
• 26:44
  a
• 26:44
  lot
• 26:44
  of
• 26:44
  respect
• 26:45
  for
• 26:45
  him.
• 26:45
  And
• 26:46
  you
• 26:47
  know,
• 26:47
  they,
• 26:47
  they
• 26:47
  kind
• 26:48
  of
• 26:48
  in
• 26:48
  Matt
• 26:49
  Bats
• 26:49
  case
• 26:49
  that
• 26:50
  I
• 26:50
  know,
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  Bobby
• 26:51
  Doer
• 26:51
  pulled
• 26:51
  him
• 26:51
  aside
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  said,
• 26:52
  hey,
• 26:53
  you
• 26:53
  know,
• 26:54
  we,
• 26:54
  we
• 26:54
  don't
• 26:54
  do
• 26:54
  that
• 26:55
  here
• 26:55
  and
• 26:55
  he's
• 26:55
  a
• 26:56
  good
• 26:56
  player,
• 26:56
  so
• 26:56
  just,
• 26:57
  you
• 26:57
  know,
• 26:57
  get
• 26:57
  off
• 26:57
  him,
• 26:57
  you
• 26:57
  know.
• 26:58
  So
• 26:58
  I
• 26:59
  know
• 26:59
  that
• 27:00
  sometimes
• 27:00
  players
• 27:01
  would
• 27:01
  intervene.
• 27:04
  You
• 27:04
  mentioned
• 27:05
  Hank
• 27:05
  Greenberg
• 27:06
  before
• 27:06
  and
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  fact
• 27:06
  that
• 27:07
  he
• 27:07
  was
• 27:07
  the
• 27:07
  GM
• 27:10
  Rosen,
• 27:12
  I
• 27:12
  think,
• 27:12
  took
• 27:13
  Greenberg's
• 27:14
  nickname,
• 27:15
  the
• 27:15
  Hebrew
• 27:16
  Hammer.
• 27:17
  Well,
• 27:18
  there's
• 27:18
  a
• 27:18
  lot
• 27:18
  of
• 27:18
  nicknames
• 27:18
  in.
• 27:19
  Yeah,
• 27:20
  actually,
• 27:20
  I,
• 27:22
  you
• 27:22
  know,
• 27:23
  I
• 27:23
  guess
• 27:24
  that
• 27:25
  nickname
• 27:26
  was
• 27:26
  mostly
• 27:26
  attributed
• 27:27
  to
• 27:28
  Greenberg,
• 27:31
  but
• 27:31
  I
• 27:31
  think
• 27:32
  most
• 27:32
  people
• 27:32
  called
• 27:32
  Rosen
• 27:33
  Flip.
• 27:33
  Like
• 27:34
  I
• 27:34
  said
• 27:34
  before,
• 27:34
  from
• 27:34
  the
• 27:35
  way
• 27:35
  he
• 27:35
  played
• 27:35
  softball,
• 27:36
  I
• 27:36
  just
• 27:36
  use
• 27:36
  Hebrew
• 27:37
  Hammer
• 27:37
  for
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  book.
• 27:38
  I
• 27:38
  guess
• 27:39
  he,
• 27:40
  he
• 27:40
  probably
• 27:40
  could
• 27:40
  have
• 27:41
  carried
• 27:41
  that
• 27:41
  nickname,
• 27:41
  but
• 27:42
  it
• 27:42
  was
• 27:42
  really
• 27:42
  just.
• 27:43
  I,
• 27:44
  you
• 27:44
  know,
• 27:44
  I
• 27:44
  looked
• 27:45
  and
• 27:45
  I
• 27:45
  didn't
• 27:45
  see
• 27:45
  the
• 27:46
  title
• 27:46
  for
• 27:46
  another
• 27:46
  book,
• 27:47
  so
• 27:47
  I
• 27:47
  kind
• 27:47
  of
• 27:47
  stole
• 27:48
  it
• 27:48
  and,
• 27:49
  and
• 27:49
  use
• 27:49
  it
• 27:49
  for,
• 27:49
  for
• 27:50
  his.
• 27:50
  Well,
• 27:51
  how
• 27:51
  did
• 27:51
  he
• 27:51
  feel
• 27:51
  about
• 27:52
  that
• 27:52
  nickname?
• 27:53
  I
• 27:53
  mean,
• 27:53
  did.
• 27:54
  I
• 27:54
  mean,
• 27:55
  there
• 27:55
  was
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  couple.
• 27:57
  Hebrew
• 27:58
  Hammer?
• 27:58
  Yeah.
• 27:59
  Oh,
• 27:59
  I
• 27:59
  don't
• 27:59
  know
• 28:00
  that
• 28:00
  I
• 28:00
  ever
• 28:00
  saw
• 28:00
  him.
• 28:02
  I
• 28:02
  don't,
• 28:02
  I
• 28:02
  don't
• 28:03
  know
• 28:03
  that
• 28:03
  I
• 28:03
  ever
• 28:03
  saw
• 28:03
  him
• 28:03
  say
• 28:04
  anything
• 28:04
  about
• 28:04
  it
• 28:04
  one
• 28:04
  way
• 28:04
  or
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  other.
• 28:06
  That's
• 28:06
  the
• 28:06
  number.
• 28:07
  You
• 28:07
  know,
• 28:07
  like
• 28:07
  I
• 28:07
  said,
• 28:07
  that
• 28:08
  mostly
• 28:08
  belong
• 28:08
  to
• 28:08
  Greenberg.
• 28:09
  I
• 28:09
  stole
• 28:09
  it
• 28:09
  for
• 28:09
  his
• 28:09
  book.
• 28:10
  He's
• 28:10
  been
• 28:11
  passed
• 28:11
  away
• 28:11
  from.
• 28:11
  You
• 28:12
  know,
• 28:12
  I
• 28:12
  don't
• 28:12
  know
• 28:12
  that
• 28:12
  he
• 28:12
  even
• 28:13
  really,
• 28:13
  you
• 28:14
  know,
• 28:14
  he,
• 28:14
  if
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  read
• 28:16
  papers
• 28:16
  in
• 28:17
  Cleveland,
• 28:20
  his
• 28:20
  teammates
• 28:20
  call
• 28:21
  him
• 28:21
  Flip.
• 28:22
  So.
• 28:23
  Yeah.
• 28:24
  Okay,
• 28:27
  staying
• 28:28
  on
• 28:28
  this
• 28:28
  topic
• 28:28
  a
• 28:29
  little
• 28:29
  bit
• 28:29
  longer.
• 28:32
  Did
• 28:33
  he
• 28:34
  embrace
• 28:37
  being
• 28:38
  seen
• 28:39
  as
• 28:39
  a
• 28:39
  representative
• 28:40
  figure
• 28:42
  for
• 28:42
  Jewish
• 28:43
  athletes
• 28:44
  or
• 28:44
  was
• 28:44
  that
• 28:44
  something
• 28:45
  place
• 28:45
  I
• 28:45
  talked
• 28:45
  about?
• 28:46
  Oh,
• 28:46
  gosh,
• 28:47
  yes.
• 28:48
  He
• 28:49
  embrace
• 28:50
  it
• 28:50
  wholeheartedly.
• 28:51
  And,
• 28:54
  you
• 28:55
  know,
• 28:55
  his
• 28:55
  upbringing,
• 28:58
  single
• 28:58
  parent.
• 28:58
  You
• 28:59
  know,
• 28:59
  I
• 28:59
  know
• 28:59
  he,
• 29:00
  he
• 29:00
  had
• 29:00
  written
• 29:00
  that
• 29:01
  he
• 29:01
  didn't
• 29:01
  have
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  bar
• 29:01
  mitzvah.
• 29:02
  Bar
• 29:02
  mitzvah
• 29:03
  or
• 29:03
  anything,
• 29:03
  and
• 29:04
  neither
• 29:04
  his
• 29:04
  brother.
• 29:06
  But,
• 29:07
  you
• 29:07
  know,
• 29:07
  as
• 29:07
  far
• 29:08
  as
• 29:08
  I
• 29:08
  know,
• 29:08
  he
• 29:08
  was,
• 29:08
  he
• 29:09
  was,
• 29:10
  he
• 29:10
  was,
• 29:10
  he
• 29:10
  was
• 29:11
  devout
• 29:12
  and
• 29:12
  he,
• 29:13
  and
• 29:14
  he,
• 29:14
  he
• 29:14
  followed
• 29:14
  his
• 29:15
  religion.
• 29:15
  You
• 29:15
  know,
• 29:15
  when
• 29:16
  he
• 29:16
  lived
• 29:16
  in
• 29:16
  Cleveland,
• 29:17
  he
• 29:18
  lived
• 29:18
  in
• 29:19
  Shaker
• 29:19
  Heights,
• 29:20
  which
• 29:20
  is
• 29:21
  back
• 29:21
  then,
• 29:22
  probably
• 29:22
  still
• 29:22
  now
• 29:23
  today
• 29:24
  is
• 29:24
  a
• 29:25
  very
• 29:26
  strong
• 29:26
  Jewish
• 29:28
  city.
• 29:29
  A
• 29:29
  lot
• 29:29
  of
• 29:30
  Jewish
• 29:30
  folks
• 29:30
  live
• 29:30
  there.
• 29:31
  And,
• 29:31
  you
• 29:31
  know,
• 29:32
  that's,
• 29:33
  I'm
• 29:33
  sure
• 29:33
  that's
• 29:34
  where
• 29:34
  he
• 29:34
  felt
• 29:34
  comfortable.
• 29:35
  And
• 29:35
  he
• 29:36
  did,
• 29:36
  he
• 29:36
  did
• 29:36
  embrace
• 29:37
  for
• 29:37
  sure.
• 29:40
  Back
• 29:40
  to
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  field.
• 29:41
  I
• 29:41
  mean,
• 29:42
  we
• 29:42
  were
• 29:42
  talking
• 29:42
  just
• 29:43
  before.
• 29:44
  Powerful,
• 29:45
  powerful
• 29:45
  hitter.
• 29:46
  In
• 29:47
  1951,
• 29:48
  he
• 29:48
  had.265
• 29:49
  with
• 29:51
  24
• 29:51
  homers
• 29:52
  and
• 29:52
  knocked
• 29:52
  it
• 29:52
  102.
• 29:54
  And
• 29:54
  then
• 29:54
  he
• 29:55
  really
• 29:55
  started
• 29:55
  to
• 29:56
  roll
• 29:56
  52.
• 29:57
  He
• 29:57
  had
• 29:57
  302,
• 29:59
  28
• 29:59
  homers
• 30:00
  and
• 30:00
  105
• 30:01
  rubies.
• 30:02
  1953,
• 30:06
  one
• 30:06
  of.
• 30:09
  I
• 30:09
  guess
• 30:10
  you
• 30:10
  got
• 30:10
  to
• 30:10
  consider
• 30:10
  it,
• 30:10
  one
• 30:11
  of
• 30:11
  the
• 30:11
  greatest
• 30:11
  seasons
• 30:12
  ever,
• 30:12
  period.
• 30:13
  He
• 30:13
  had
• 30:13
  43
• 30:14
  home
• 30:14
  runs
• 30:15
  knocked
• 30:15
  in
• 30:16
  145.
• 30:18
  Both
• 30:18
  of
• 30:19
  those
• 30:19
  numbers
• 30:19
  led
• 30:19
  the
• 30:20
  American
• 30:20
  League.
• 30:21
  He
• 30:21
  also
• 30:21
  led
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  American
• 30:22
  league
• 30:23
  in
• 30:23
  slugging
• 30:25
  with
• 30:26
  613
• 30:27
  slugging
• 30:27
  percentage
• 30:28
  OPS
• 30:29
  of
• 30:29
  1.034.
• 30:31
  He
• 30:31
  led
• 30:32
  with
• 30:33
  367
• 30:35
  total
• 30:36
  bases.
• 30:36
  His
• 30:37
  WAR
• 30:38
  again
• 30:38
  led
• 30:39
  10.1.
• 30:40
  And
• 30:40
  he
• 30:41
  led
• 30:41
  with
• 30:42
  115
• 30:44
  runs
• 30:45
  scored.
• 30:45
  His
• 30:46
  batting
• 30:46
  average
• 30:47
  was.336.
• 30:51
  The
• 30:52
  winning
• 30:52
  batting
• 30:53
  average
• 30:53
  was.337.
• 30:55
  He
• 30:55
  was
• 30:55
  one
• 30:56
  point
• 30:56
  away
• 30:57
  from
• 30:57
  winning
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  Triple
• 30:59
  Crown.
• 31:00
  Mickey
• 31:01
  Vernon
• 31:01
  of
• 31:01
  The
• 31:01
  Washington
• 31:02
  Senators
• 31:03
  hit.337.
• 31:05
  And
• 31:05
  both
• 31:06
  of
• 31:06
  them
• 31:06
  really
• 31:06
  went
• 31:06
  after
• 31:07
  it.
• 31:07
  I
• 31:07
  mean,
• 31:07
  I
• 31:08
  looked
• 31:08
  it
• 31:08
  up.
• 31:08
  Vernon
• 31:08
  went
• 31:09
  2
• 31:09
  for
• 31:09
  4
• 31:09
  the
• 31:09
  last
• 31:10
  day
• 31:10
  of
• 31:10
  the
• 31:10
  season.
• 31:11
  Rosen
• 31:12
  went
• 31:12
  3
• 31:12
  for
• 31:12
  5.
• 31:13
  I
• 31:14
  mean,
• 31:14
  what
• 31:14
  a
• 31:14
  close
• 31:15
  race.
• 31:16
  What
• 31:16
  can
• 31:16
  you
• 31:16
  tell
• 31:17
  us
• 31:17
  about
• 31:17
  it?
• 31:18
  And,
• 31:18
  and
• 31:19
  how
• 31:19
  great
• 31:20
  was
• 31:20
  that
• 31:20
  season
• 31:21
  for
• 31:21
  Al
• 31:21
  Rosen?
• 31:22
  Well,
• 31:22
  I
• 31:23
  think,
• 31:23
  I
• 31:23
  think
• 31:23
  too,
• 31:25
  Mickey
• 31:26
  Vernon
• 31:26
  had
• 31:26
  a
• 31:26
  pretty
• 31:27
  big
• 31:27
  lead
• 31:27
  on
• 31:27
  him
• 31:28
  and
• 31:28
  Rosen
• 31:29
  kind
• 31:29
  of
• 31:29
  came,
• 31:29
  came
• 31:30
  from
• 31:30
  behind.
• 31:32
  And
• 31:35
  I
• 31:35
  know
• 31:37
  the
• 31:37
  last,
• 31:37
  the
• 31:38
  last
• 31:38
  series.
• 31:39
  Well,
• 31:41
  there's.
• 31:41
  They
• 31:41
  claim
• 31:42
  the
• 31:42
  Senators
• 31:42
  played
• 31:43
  some
• 31:43
  shenanigans
• 31:43
  in
• 31:44
  that
• 31:44
  last
• 31:44
  game
• 31:47
  to
• 31:47
  ensure
• 31:48
  that
• 31:50
  Mickey
• 31:50
  Vernon
• 31:51
  didn't
• 31:51
  come
• 31:51
  to
• 31:51
  the
• 31:51
  plate.
• 31:51
  But,
• 31:52
  you
• 31:52
  know,
• 31:52
  who
• 31:52
  really
• 31:52
  knows?
• 31:53
  But
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  think
• 31:54
  that,
• 31:55
  you
• 31:55
  know,
• 31:55
  Al
• 31:56
  Rosen,
• 31:56
  if
• 31:56
  you
• 31:56
  look,
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  know,
• 31:59
  and
• 32:02
  In
• 32:02
  July,
• 32:04
  he
• 32:05
  hit.309
• 32:07
  and
• 32:07
  354
• 32:08
  in
• 32:08
  August
• 32:09
  and
• 32:09
  392
• 32:10
  in
• 32:10
  September.
• 32:12
  So
• 32:12
  he
• 32:12
  was
• 32:12
  just,
• 32:13
  as
• 32:13
  the
• 32:13
  season
• 32:13
  went
• 32:14
  on,
• 32:14
  he
• 32:15
  was
• 32:15
  just
• 32:16
  catching
• 32:16
  fire.
• 32:17
  And,
• 32:18
  and
• 32:18
  that's
• 32:19
  what,
• 32:19
  you
• 32:20
  know,
• 32:20
  they
• 32:20
  did
• 32:20
  an
• 32:20
  interview
• 32:20
  with
• 32:21
  Mickey
• 32:21
  Vernon
• 32:21
  in
• 32:22
  Baseball
• 32:22
  Digest,
• 32:22
  and
• 32:23
  he
• 32:23
  said,
• 32:23
  you
• 32:23
  know,
• 32:23
  that
• 32:23
  was.
• 32:24
  Al
• 32:24
  was
• 32:25
  coming
• 32:25
  up
• 32:25
  fast,
• 32:26
  and
• 32:27
  I
• 32:27
  don't
• 32:27
  think
• 32:28
  anybody
• 32:28
  thought
• 32:28
  he
• 32:28
  was
• 32:28
  going
• 32:29
  to
• 32:29
  catch
• 32:29
  him.
• 32:29
  But,
• 32:29
  you
• 32:30
  know,
• 32:30
  he,
• 32:31
  you
• 32:31
  know,
• 32:31
  he
• 32:31
  had
• 32:33
  17
• 32:33
  home
• 32:34
  runs
• 32:34
  and
• 32:35
  60
• 32:36
  RBIs
• 32:36
  in
• 32:36
  the
• 32:36
  last
• 32:36
  two
• 32:37
  months
• 32:37
  of
• 32:37
  the
• 32:37
  year.
• 32:37
  That's
• 32:38
  incredible.
• 32:39
  You
• 32:39
  know,
• 32:39
  and
• 32:40
  he
• 32:40
  was
• 32:40
  just,.
• 32:43
  You.
• 32:43
  Know,
• 32:43
  he
• 32:43
  was
• 32:43
  on
• 32:44
  fire.
• 32:44
  He
• 32:44
  got
• 32:44
  hot.
• 32:45
  And
• 32:45
  I
• 32:45
  think,
• 32:46
  you
• 32:46
  know,
• 32:46
  that
• 32:46
  last
• 32:47
  game
• 32:48
  they
• 32:48
  piped
• 32:48
  in
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  Senators
• 32:49
  and
• 32:50
  Athletics
• 32:51
  game
• 32:52
  into
• 32:53
  the,
• 32:53
  into
• 32:54
  the
• 32:54
  press
• 32:54
  box
• 32:54
  of
• 32:54
  Cleveland
• 32:55
  so
• 32:55
  they
• 32:55
  could
• 32:55
  keep
• 32:56
  an
• 32:56
  eye
• 32:56
  on
• 32:56
  what
• 32:56
  he
• 32:57
  was
• 32:57
  doing,
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  know,
• 32:57
  what
• 32:57
  was
• 32:57
  going
• 32:58
  on
• 32:58
  there.
• 32:59
  And
• 33:00
  Rosen
• 33:00
  says,
• 33:01
  you
• 33:01
  know,
• 33:01
  he,
• 33:03
  as
• 33:03
  it
• 33:03
  turns
• 33:03
  out,
• 33:04
  he
• 33:04
  had
• 33:04
  won
• 33:04
  it
• 33:05
  Bad.
• 33:05
  He
• 33:05
  was,
• 33:05
  you
• 33:05
  know,
• 33:06
  they
• 33:06
  were
• 33:06
  figuring
• 33:06
  out
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  percentage
• 33:07
  points,
• 33:07
  but
• 33:08
  even
• 33:08
  if
• 33:08
  he
• 33:08
  would
• 33:08
  have
• 33:08
  got
• 33:08
  a
• 33:08
  hit,
• 33:08
  he
• 33:09
  still
• 33:09
  would
• 33:09
  have
• 33:09
  fallen
• 33:09
  short.
• 33:11
  But
• 33:12
  he,
• 33:12
  he
• 33:13
  hit
• 33:13
  a
• 33:13
  ground
• 33:13
  ball
• 33:14
  and
• 33:14
  he.
• 33:15
  To
• 33:15
  the
• 33:16
  infield
• 33:16
  and
• 33:16
  he,
• 33:17
  he
• 33:17
  lunged
• 33:17
  for
• 33:18
  first
• 33:18
  base,
• 33:18
  he
• 33:19
  tried
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  jump
• 33:20
  to
• 33:20
  get
• 33:20
  it,
• 33:20
  etc.
• 33:21
  And
• 33:21
  he's,
• 33:22
  you
• 33:22
  know,
• 33:22
  Lopez
• 33:23
  came
• 33:23
  out
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  argue,
• 33:24
  but
• 33:24
  he
• 33:24
  said
• 33:24
  he
• 33:24
  was
• 33:24
  out,
• 33:25
  you
• 33:25
  know,
• 33:26
  and,
• 33:26
  you
• 33:26
  know,
• 33:26
  he
• 33:27
  took
• 33:27
  it
• 33:27
  with,
• 33:27
  you
• 33:28
  know,
• 33:28
  he
• 33:28
  said
• 33:28
  that's
• 33:28
  just
• 33:28
  the
• 33:29
  way
• 33:29
  it
• 33:29
  is.
• 33:29
  You
• 33:29
  know,
• 33:29
  I
• 33:29
  mean,
• 33:30
  I
• 33:30
  don't
• 33:30
  think
• 33:30
  he
• 33:30
  was
• 33:31
  really
• 33:31
  bitter
• 33:31
  about
• 33:31
  it
• 33:32
  or
• 33:32
  anything.
• 33:32
  He
• 33:32
  just,
• 33:32
  you
• 33:32
  know,
• 33:32
  he
• 33:33
  just
• 33:33
  fell
• 33:33
  short.
• 33:34
  Yeah,
• 33:34
  that
• 33:35
  was
• 33:35
  my
• 33:35
  next
• 33:35
  question.
• 33:35
  I
• 33:36
  mean,
• 33:36
  how
• 33:36
  much
• 33:36
  did
• 33:36
  it
• 33:37
  mean
• 33:37
  to
• 33:37
  him
• 33:38
  that
• 33:38
  he
• 33:38
  missed
• 33:38
  the
• 33:39
  Triple
• 33:39
  Crown
• 33:40
  by.
• 33:41
  I,
• 33:41
  I
• 33:41
  get
• 33:42
  my
• 33:42
  Math
• 33:42
  mixed
• 33:43
  up.
• 33:43
  1/100Th
• 33:44
  of
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  point
• 33:45
  or
• 33:45
  something
• 33:45
  like
• 33:46
  that.
• 33:46
  And.
• 33:47
  Yeah,
• 33:47
  but
• 33:48
  you
• 33:48
  know
• 33:48
  what,
• 33:48
  you
• 33:49
  know
• 33:49
  what,
• 33:49
  though?
• 33:49
  Warning
• 33:51
  that
• 33:52
  might
• 33:52
  be
• 33:52
  true.
• 33:53
  But
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  think
• 33:53
  what's
• 33:54
  more
• 33:54
  important
• 33:54
  was
• 33:56
  he
• 33:56
  was
• 33:56
  the
• 33:57
  first
• 33:57
  unanimous
• 33:58
  choice
• 33:58
  for
• 33:58
  an
• 33:58
  MVP
• 33:59
  award.
• 34:01
  And
• 34:01
  so
• 34:01
  I
• 34:01
  think,
• 34:02
  I
• 34:02
  think
• 34:02
  he
• 34:02
  would
• 34:02
  take
• 34:03
  that
• 34:03
  over.
• 34:03
  I
• 34:04
  mean,
• 34:04
  yeah,
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  Triple
• 34:04
  Crown
• 34:05
  he
• 34:05
  would
• 34:05
  get,
• 34:05
  you
• 34:05
  know,
• 34:05
  but
• 34:05
  he
• 34:06
  was
• 34:06
  still.
• 34:06
  He
• 34:06
  was
• 34:06
  still
• 34:07
  the
• 34:07
  unanimous
• 34:08
  choice
• 34:08
  for
• 34:08
  mvp.
• 34:08
  So
• 34:09
  I
• 34:09
  think
• 34:09
  he,
• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  know,
• 34:11
  I
• 34:11
  think
• 34:11
  he
• 34:11
  was
• 34:12
  pretty.
• 34:13
  Pretty
• 34:13
  happy.
• 34:13
  In
• 34:13
  fact,
• 34:13
  I.
• 34:15
  He
• 34:15
  and
• 34:16
  his
• 34:16
  wife
• 34:16
  broke
• 34:17
  down
• 34:17
  and
• 34:17
  cried.
• 34:17
  He
• 34:18
  was
• 34:18
  very,
• 34:18
  he's
• 34:19
  very
• 34:19
  moved
• 34:19
  by.
• 34:19
  He
• 34:19
  was
• 34:19
  very
• 34:20
  happy
• 34:20
  about
• 34:20
  that.
• 34:20
  Very
• 34:21
  moved.
• 34:22
  You
• 34:22
  know,
• 34:22
  I
• 34:23
  just
• 34:23
  thought
• 34:23
  of
• 34:23
  this
• 34:23
  question.
• 34:25
  All
• 34:25
  this
• 34:25
  is
• 34:25
  going
• 34:26
  on.
• 34:26
  He's.
• 34:26
  He.
• 34:27
  He
• 34:27
  is
• 34:28
  one
• 34:28
  of
• 34:29
  baseball's
• 34:30
  great
• 34:30
  offensive
• 34:31
  players,
• 34:34
  wins
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  MVP
• 34:35
  award.
• 34:36
  And
• 34:36
  I
• 34:36
  mean,
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  years
• 34:37
  after,
• 34:38
  I
• 34:38
  mean,
• 34:38
  he
• 34:39
  was
• 34:39
  just
• 34:39
  this
• 34:40
  hitting
• 34:40
  machine.
• 34:41
  How
• 34:42
  did
• 34:42
  the
• 34:42
  Jewish
• 34:43
  community
• 34:44
  embrace
• 34:44
  him
• 34:45
  at
• 34:45
  that
• 34:45
  point?
• 34:45
  Point.
• 34:46
  You
• 34:46
  know,
• 34:46
  you
• 34:46
  talked
• 34:47
  about
• 34:47
  people
• 34:47
  would
• 34:47
  have
• 34:48
  him
• 34:48
  over
• 34:48
  for.
• 34:49
  For,
• 34:49
  For
• 34:50
  a
• 34:50
  meal
• 34:50
  when
• 34:51
  he
• 34:51
  was
• 34:51
  in
• 34:51
  the
• 34:51
  minor
• 34:51
  leagues.
• 34:52
  How
• 34:52
  did
• 34:53
  the
• 34:53
  Jewish
• 34:54
  community
• 34:54
  embrace
• 34:55
  him?
• 34:56
  You
• 34:56
  know,
• 34:56
  his.
• 34:56
  His
• 34:57
  wife
• 34:57
  was
• 34:57
  from
• 34:58
  Alabama.
• 34:59
  His
• 35:00
  second
• 35:00
  wife
• 35:00
  was
• 35:00
  a
• 35:00
  second
• 35:01
  wife.
• 35:01
  She
• 35:01
  was
• 35:01
  from
• 35:01
  Alabama.
• 35:02
  And,
• 35:02
  and
• 35:03
  he
• 35:03
  met
• 35:03
  her
• 35:04
  in
• 35:04
  college
• 35:06
  and
• 35:06
  they
• 35:06
  corresponded
• 35:07
  and.
• 35:07
  And
• 35:08
  so
• 35:08
  forth.
• 35:08
  And
• 35:10
  he.
• 35:12
  She
• 35:12
  came
• 35:12
  up
• 35:12
  to
• 35:13
  Cleveland
• 35:13
  and
• 35:14
  her
• 35:14
  dad
• 35:15
  came
• 35:16
  as
• 35:16
  a
• 35:16
  chaperone,
• 35:17
  which
• 35:17
  today
• 35:17
  you
• 35:17
  would
• 35:18
  never
• 35:18
  hear
• 35:18
  of.
• 35:19
  And
• 35:20
  the
• 35:20
  papers
• 35:21
  all
• 35:21
  carried
• 35:22
  stories
• 35:22
  of
• 35:22
  their
• 35:22
  engagement
• 35:23
  party
• 35:23
  and
• 35:23
  what
• 35:23
  else.
• 35:23
  The
• 35:23
  food
• 35:24
  was
• 35:24
  served
• 35:24
  and
• 35:24
  what
• 35:24
  people
• 35:24
  were
• 35:25
  wearing
• 35:25
  and
• 35:25
  things.
• 35:25
  But
• 35:26
  she
• 35:26
  went
• 35:27
  to
• 35:27
  go
• 35:27
  see
• 35:27
  him
• 35:27
  play.
• 35:27
  She'd
• 35:27
  never
• 35:27
  been
• 35:28
  to
• 35:28
  Cleveland
• 35:28
  before,
• 35:28
  of
• 35:29
  course,
• 35:29
  and
• 35:29
  she
• 35:29
  went
• 35:30
  to
• 35:30
  go
• 35:30
  see
• 35:30
  a
• 35:31
  game
• 35:31
  at
• 35:31
  Cleveland
• 35:31
  Stadium,
• 35:34
  and
• 35:34
  she
• 35:34
  left
• 35:34
  in
• 35:34
  tears
• 35:35
  in
• 35:35
  the
• 35:35
  sixth
• 35:35
  inning
• 35:36
  because
• 35:37
  people
• 35:37
  were
• 35:37
  screaming
• 35:39
  anti
• 35:39
  Semitic
• 35:41
  names
• 35:41
  at
• 35:42
  Al
• 35:42
  Rosen,
• 35:43
  who's
• 35:43
  now.
• 35:44
  He's
• 35:44
  just
• 35:44
  not
• 35:44
  a
• 35:44
  player.
• 35:45
  He's
• 35:45
  my.
• 35:45
  He's
• 35:46
  my
• 35:46
  fiance.
• 35:47
  He's
• 35:47
  someone
• 35:47
  I
• 35:47
  love.
• 35:48
  And
• 35:48
  she
• 35:48
  Left
• 35:48
  crying.
• 35:51
  I
• 35:51
  think
• 35:51
  the
• 35:51
  word
• 35:51
  she
• 35:52
  used
• 35:52
  was
• 35:52
  Vitroli
• 35:53
  vitriolic.
• 35:54
  And
• 35:54
  she
• 35:54
  said
• 35:55
  that
• 35:55
  the
• 35:55
  hatred
• 35:56
  was
• 35:56
  just,
• 35:57
  you
• 35:58
  know,
• 35:58
  she
• 35:58
  couldn't
• 35:58
  believe
• 35:58
  it.
• 35:59
  And
• 35:59
  here,
• 35:59
  this
• 35:59
  was
• 36:00
  1952.
• 36:01
  He
• 36:01
  was
• 36:01
  already
• 36:01
  an
• 36:01
  established
• 36:02
  star,
• 36:03
  as
• 36:03
  we
• 36:03
  said,
• 36:03
  and
• 36:05
  people
• 36:07
  still,
• 36:08
  you
• 36:08
  know,
• 36:08
  now,
• 36:09
  as
• 36:09
  far
• 36:09
  as
• 36:10
  how
• 36:10
  the
• 36:10
  Jewish
• 36:10
  community
• 36:12
  treated
• 36:13
  him,
• 36:14
  I
• 36:15
  couldn't
• 36:15
  say
• 36:17
  what.
• 36:17
  Made
• 36:17
  him
• 36:18
  such
• 36:18
  a
• 36:18
  dominant
• 36:19
  hitter
• 36:19
  in
• 36:19
  that
• 36:19
  era.
• 36:20
  Was
• 36:20
  it
• 36:20
  mechanics,
• 36:21
  mindset,
• 36:22
  something
• 36:22
  else?
• 36:23
  What
• 36:23
  was
• 36:23
  it?
• 36:24
  I
• 36:24
  think
• 36:24
  his
• 36:24
  whole
• 36:25
  career
• 36:25
  was
• 36:25
  just
• 36:25
  because
• 36:26
  he
• 36:26
  was
• 36:26
  so
• 36:26
  determined
• 36:27
  to
• 36:27
  do
• 36:28
  good,
• 36:28
  you
• 36:28
  know,
• 36:28
  And
• 36:29
  I
• 36:29
  think
• 36:30
  this
• 36:30
  is
• 36:30
  a
• 36:31
  guy
• 36:31
  who's
• 36:32
  not
• 36:32
  only
• 36:32
  he's
• 36:32
  a
• 36:32
  class
• 36:33
  individual,
• 36:33
  but
• 36:33
  he
• 36:34
  was
• 36:34
  a
• 36:34
  real
• 36:34
  professional
• 36:35
  and
• 36:37
  he
• 36:38
  practiced
• 36:38
  his
• 36:38
  craft,
• 36:39
  you
• 36:39
  know,
• 36:39
  and,
• 36:39
  and,
• 36:40
  and
• 36:40
  he,
• 36:42
  you
• 36:43
  know,
• 36:43
  there,
• 36:43
  there
• 36:43
  are
• 36:43
  stories
• 36:44
  about
• 36:44
  him
• 36:44
  in
• 36:45
  spring
• 36:45
  training
• 36:46
  and,
• 36:46
  and
• 36:46
  taking
• 36:47
  extra
• 36:47
  batting
• 36:48
  practice
• 36:48
  and,
• 36:49
  you
• 36:49
  know,
• 36:49
  taking
• 36:50
  extra
• 36:50
  fielding
• 36:50
  practice
• 36:51
  till
• 36:51
  his
• 36:51
  hands
• 36:51
  were
• 36:52
  just
• 36:52
  Cal.
• 36:52
  I
• 36:52
  mean,
• 36:53
  Kellis,
• 36:53
  this
• 36:53
  guy,
• 36:54
  he,
• 36:54
  you
• 36:54
  know,
• 36:55
  he,
• 36:57
  he
• 36:57
  practices
• 36:58
  craft,
• 36:58
  he
• 36:58
  always
• 36:59
  knew
• 36:59
  to
• 36:59
  improve,
• 37:00
  you
• 37:00
  know,
• 37:00
  and
• 37:01
  until
• 37:01
  injuries
• 37:02
  started
• 37:02
  getting,
• 37:02
  Getting
• 37:03
  him,
• 37:04
  you
• 37:04
  know,
• 37:04
  he
• 37:05
  was
• 37:05
  at
• 37:05
  top
• 37:05
  of
• 37:05
  his
• 37:05
  game
• 37:05
  as
• 37:06
  far
• 37:06
  as
• 37:06
  a
• 37:06
  hitter.
• 37:06
  But
• 37:07
  he
• 37:07
  put
• 37:07
  the
• 37:07
  work
• 37:08
  in,
• 37:08
  you
• 37:08
  know,
• 37:09
  and
• 37:09
  in
• 37:10
  his
• 37:10
  power.
• 37:11
  His
• 37:11
  biceps,
• 37:12
  they
• 37:12
  were
• 37:12
  like
• 37:13
  Popeye.
• 37:13
  They
• 37:13
  were
• 37:13
  just.
• 37:14
  They
• 37:14
  were
• 37:14
  huge.
• 37:15
  And
• 37:15
  a
• 37:15
  lot
• 37:15
  of
• 37:15
  that
• 37:15
  is
• 37:16
  probably
• 37:16
  from
• 37:18
  training
• 37:18
  as
• 37:18
  a
• 37:18
  fighter
• 37:19
  and
• 37:19
  so
• 37:19
  forth.
• 37:19
  But
• 37:19
  he
• 37:20
  just,
• 37:20
  you
• 37:20
  know,
• 37:20
  he
• 37:20
  was
• 37:20
  just,
• 37:21
  he
• 37:21
  was
• 37:21
  compact,
• 37:22
  you
• 37:22
  know,
• 37:23
  I
• 37:23
  think
• 37:23
  he's
• 37:23
  only
• 37:23
  511
• 37:24
  or
• 37:24
  510
• 37:24
  or
• 37:25
  something,
• 37:25
  but
• 37:25
  he
• 37:25
  was
• 37:25
  compact,
• 37:26
  you
• 37:26
  know,
• 37:26
  and
• 37:27
  he
• 37:27
  could,
• 37:27
  you
• 37:28
  know,
• 37:28
  he
• 37:29
  could
• 37:29
  hit
• 37:29
  the
• 37:29
  ball
• 37:30
  a
• 37:30
  long
• 37:30
  way
• 37:31
  if.
• 37:31
  You,
• 37:31
  if
• 37:31
  you
• 37:32
  had
• 37:32
  to.
• 37:34
  Sometimes
• 37:34
  I
• 37:34
  ask
• 37:35
  this
• 37:35
  question
• 37:36
  to.
• 37:36
  In
• 37:36
  today's
• 37:37
  game.
• 37:37
  Oh,
• 37:37
  boy,
• 37:37
  I'm
• 37:38
  bad
• 37:38
  at
• 37:38
  that.
• 37:39
  Well,
• 37:40
  I'm
• 37:40
  sure,
• 37:40
  I'm
• 37:41
  sure
• 37:41
  you
• 37:41
  could
• 37:41
  do
• 37:41
  similarities
• 37:42
  to
• 37:43
  Jose
• 37:43
  Ramirez,
• 37:44
  who
• 37:44
  also
• 37:44
  has
• 37:44
  good
• 37:44
  power
• 37:45
  and
• 37:45
  good
• 37:45
  hitting
• 37:46
  and
• 37:47
  hits
• 37:47
  around,
• 37:47
  you
• 37:48
  know,
• 37:48
  you
• 37:48
  know,
• 37:48
  300.
• 37:51
  Jose
• 37:51
  has
• 37:51
  more
• 37:52
  speed,
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  would
• 37:53
  say
• 37:53
  probably,
• 37:53
  but
• 37:53
  I,
• 37:54
  you
• 37:54
  know,
• 37:54
  I
• 37:54
  think
• 37:54
  you.
• 37:55
  You
• 37:55
  compare
• 37:56
  generations
• 37:56
  like
• 37:57
  that.
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  think
• 37:57
  it's
• 37:57
  just,
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  mean,
• 37:58
  it's,
• 37:58
  you
• 37:59
  know,
• 37:59
  70
• 37:59
  years
• 38:00
  ago,
• 38:00
  like
• 38:00
  we
• 38:00
  said,
• 38:01
  it's
• 38:01
  kind
• 38:01
  of
• 38:01
  hard
• 38:01
  to
• 38:02
  do.
• 38:03
  Your
• 38:03
  book
• 38:03
  touches
• 38:04
  a
• 38:04
  little
• 38:04
  bit
• 38:04
  about
• 38:06
  his
• 38:07
  strong.
• 38:07
  He
• 38:08
  had
• 38:08
  a
• 38:08
  strong
• 38:08
  personality.
• 38:10
  How
• 38:10
  did
• 38:10
  that
• 38:10
  shape
• 38:12
  his
• 38:13
  relationship
• 38:14
  with
• 38:14
  his
• 38:14
  teammates
• 38:15
  and
• 38:15
  management?
• 38:16
  His
• 38:16
  personality?
• 38:20
  Well,
• 38:25
  I
• 38:26
  think,
• 38:26
  I
• 38:26
  think
• 38:26
  he.
• 38:30
  He
• 38:31
  was
• 38:31
  a
• 38:31
  leader.
• 38:31
  He
• 38:32
  was
• 38:32
  a
• 38:32
  voice
• 38:32
  in
• 38:32
  the
• 38:32
  clubhouse,
• 38:33
  but
• 38:33
  he
• 38:33
  also
• 38:33
  led
• 38:33
  by
• 38:34
  example.
• 38:35
  And
• 38:35
  I
• 38:35
  think
• 38:35
  that
• 38:36
  he
• 38:36
  is.
• 38:38
  He
• 38:38
  and
• 38:39
  Al
• 38:39
  Lopez
• 38:39
  were.
• 38:41
  Were
• 38:43
  really
• 38:43
  close.
• 38:46
  And,
• 38:46
  you
• 38:47
  know,
• 38:48
  Lopez
• 38:50
  asked
• 38:50
  him
• 38:51
  to
• 38:51
  change
• 38:51
  positions,
• 38:51
  asked
• 38:52
  him
• 38:52
  to
• 38:52
  do
• 38:52
  this
• 38:52
  and
• 38:52
  that,
• 38:52
  and
• 38:52
  he,
• 38:53
  and
• 38:53
  he
• 38:53
  did
• 38:53
  it
• 38:53
  because
• 38:54
  that's
• 38:54
  what
• 38:54
  a
• 38:54
  leader
• 38:54
  does.
• 38:55
  A
• 38:55
  leader,
• 38:56
  excuse
• 38:56
  me,
• 38:56
  a
• 38:57
  leader
• 38:57
  will
• 38:57
  make
• 38:57
  those
• 38:58
  changes
• 38:58
  for
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  good
• 38:58
  of
• 38:59
  the
• 38:59
  team.
• 39:00
  And
• 39:01
  I
• 39:01
  think
• 39:01
  probably
• 39:02
  more
• 39:02
  so
• 39:02
  by
• 39:03
  examples
• 39:04
  like
• 39:04
  that
• 39:05
  is
• 39:06
  how
• 39:06
  people
• 39:07
  respected
• 39:07
  him
• 39:08
  and,
• 39:08
  and
• 39:09
  gave
• 39:09
  credence
• 39:09
  to
• 39:10
  when
• 39:10
  he
• 39:10
  has
• 39:10
  something
• 39:11
  to
• 39:11
  say.
• 39:13
  You
• 39:13
  know,
• 39:14
  when
• 39:14
  he
• 39:14
  got
• 39:14
  there
• 39:15
  as
• 39:15
  a
• 39:15
  full
• 39:15
  time,
• 39:15
  Dobie
• 39:16
  was
• 39:16
  already
• 39:16
  there.
• 39:16
  Satchel
• 39:17
  Page
• 39:17
  was
• 39:17
  already
• 39:17
  there.
• 39:18
  So,
• 39:19
  you
• 39:19
  know,
• 39:20
  he
• 39:20
  didn't
• 39:20
  have
• 39:21
  to
• 39:21
  lead
• 39:21
  on
• 39:22
  Al
• 39:22
  Smith.
• 39:22
  So
• 39:23
  people
• 39:23
  were
• 39:23
  already
• 39:23
  there.
• 39:24
  You
• 39:24
  know,
• 39:24
  he
• 39:24
  didn't
• 39:24
  have
• 39:24
  to
• 39:24
  lead
• 39:25
  on
• 39:25
  that
• 39:25
  Accord.
• 39:26
  But
• 39:26
  he,
• 39:27
  you
• 39:27
  know,
• 39:27
  he,
• 39:29
  I
• 39:29
  think
• 39:29
  that
• 39:30
  guy.
• 39:30
  Example,
• 39:31
  people
• 39:31
  respected
• 39:32
  him.
• 39:32
  They
• 39:32
  respected
• 39:32
  the
• 39:33
  way
• 39:33
  he
• 39:33
  went
• 39:33
  about
• 39:33
  his
• 39:33
  game
• 39:34
  and
• 39:34
  that's
• 39:34
  what,
• 39:35
  what
• 39:35
  gave
• 39:35
  him
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  strong
• 39:36
  voice.
• 39:38
  He
• 39:38
  was
• 39:38
  pretty
• 39:38
  intense
• 39:39
  too.
• 39:39
  Do
• 39:39
  you
• 39:40
  think
• 39:40
  his
• 39:40
  intensity
• 39:41
  combined
• 39:41
  with
• 39:41
  that
• 39:41
  personality?
• 39:42
  Yeah,
• 39:43
  oh
• 39:43
  yeah,
• 39:43
  he
• 39:44
  was,
• 39:44
  he
• 39:44
  was
• 39:44
  intense.
• 39:45
  And
• 39:45
  he
• 39:45
  had
• 39:45
  a
• 39:45
  short
• 39:46
  fuse
• 39:46
  too,
• 39:46
  you
• 39:47
  know,
• 39:47
  and
• 39:50
  I
• 39:50
  think
• 39:51
  in
• 39:51
  some
• 39:51
  respects
• 39:53
  the
• 39:53
  short
• 39:53
  fuse
• 39:53
  came
• 39:54
  out
• 39:54
  when
• 39:54
  he
• 39:54
  felt
• 39:55
  he
• 39:55
  was
• 39:55
  being
• 39:55
  wrong
• 39:55
  like
• 39:55
  anybody
• 39:56
  was,
• 39:56
  anybody
• 39:57
  would.
• 39:57
  But
• 39:58
  he,
• 39:59
  he
• 39:59
  had
• 39:59
  a.
• 40:00
  Maybe
• 40:00
  a
• 40:01
  short
• 40:01
  fuse.
• 40:01
  Maybe
• 40:01
  that's,
• 40:03
  maybe
• 40:03
  that's
• 40:03
  selling
• 40:04
  him
• 40:04
  short
• 40:05
  because
• 40:06
  he
• 40:06
  just,
• 40:06
  he
• 40:07
  was
• 40:07
  a
• 40:07
  very
• 40:08
  good
• 40:08
  competitor
• 40:09
  and
• 40:09
  he
• 40:09
  just,
• 40:10
  he
• 40:10
  gave
• 40:10
  it,
• 40:10
  he
• 40:11
  gave
• 40:11
  it
• 40:11
  his
• 40:11
  all.
• 40:11
  I
• 40:11
  mean,
• 40:12
  that's,
• 40:12
  that's
• 40:12
  what
• 40:12
  he
• 40:12
  did.
• 40:13
  Even
• 40:13
  when
• 40:13
  he
• 40:13
  was,
• 40:13
  he
• 40:14
  played
• 40:14
  hurts,
• 40:14
  you
• 40:14
  know,
• 40:15
  he
• 40:15
  always,
• 40:15
  you
• 40:15
  know,
• 40:16
  you
• 40:16
  always
• 40:16
  want
• 40:16
  to
• 40:16
  be
• 40:16
  out
• 40:16
  there.
• 40:17
  Yeah.
• 40:18
  He
• 40:18
  only
• 40:18
  played
• 40:19
  seven
• 40:19
  full
• 40:19
  seasons
• 40:21
  and
• 40:21
  then
• 40:21
  he
• 40:21
  retired.
• 40:22
  He
• 40:22
  was
• 40:22
  just
• 40:22
  32.
• 40:24
  Were
• 40:24
  the
• 40:25
  injuries
• 40:25
  just
• 40:25
  that
• 40:26
  bad?
• 40:26
  Why
• 40:26
  did
• 40:27
  he
• 40:27
  retire
• 40:28
  at
• 40:28
  such
• 40:28
  a
• 40:29
  young
• 40:29
  age?
• 40:30
  Well,
• 40:30
  you
• 40:30
  know,
• 40:30
  it
• 40:31
  started
• 40:31
  in
• 40:33
  1954
• 40:36
  and
• 40:36
  he
• 40:36
  was
• 40:36
  hitting
• 40:37
  382,
• 40:38
  I
• 40:38
  think
• 40:38
  it
• 40:38
  was.
• 40:39
  And
• 40:39
  Lopez
• 40:40
  asked
• 40:40
  him
• 40:40
  to
• 40:40
  play
• 40:42
  first
• 40:42
  base
• 40:43
  because
• 40:43
  they
• 40:43
  didn't
• 40:43
  have
• 40:44
  a
• 40:44
  first
• 40:44
  baseman
• 40:44
  in
• 40:44
  1954.
• 40:46
  Luke
• 40:46
  Easter
• 40:46
  had
• 40:47
  gotten
• 40:47
  hurt.
• 40:47
  They
• 40:47
  didn't
• 40:48
  have
• 40:48
  a
• 40:48
  first
• 40:48
  baseman.
• 40:49
  And
• 40:50
  they
• 40:50
  put
• 40:50
  Rudy
• 40:50
  Rigolato
• 40:51
  in
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  third
• 40:51
  base
• 40:52
  and
• 40:52
  they
• 40:52
  moved
• 40:53
  Rosen
• 40:53
  over
• 40:53
  across
• 40:54
  the
• 40:54
  diamond
• 40:54
  and
• 40:54
  Rosen
• 40:55
  set.
• 40:56
  Lopez
• 40:57
  asked
• 40:57
  me
• 40:57
  to
• 40:57
  walk
• 40:57
  across
• 40:58
  the
• 40:58
  water.
• 40:58
  I'm
• 40:59
  going
• 40:59
  to
• 40:59
  do
• 40:59
  it.
• 41:01
  And
• 41:01
  in
• 41:01
  Chicago,
• 41:02
  he
• 41:03
  was
• 41:03
  playing
• 41:03
  first
• 41:03
  base
• 41:04
  off
• 41:04
  the
• 41:04
  bag
• 41:07
  and
• 41:07
  the
• 41:07
  ground
• 41:08
  ball
• 41:08
  came
• 41:08
  to
• 41:08
  him
• 41:09
  and
• 41:11
  it
• 41:11
  hit
• 41:12
  his
• 41:13
  right
• 41:14
  middle
• 41:14
  finger
• 41:16
  and
• 41:16
  that
• 41:17
  hampered
• 41:17
  him
• 41:17
  the
• 41:17
  whole
• 41:18
  year.
• 41:18
  He
• 41:18
  ended
• 41:18
  up
• 41:18
  hitting.300,
• 41:19
  but
• 41:19
  he
• 41:19
  was
• 41:20
  hitting.382.
• 41:21
  His,
• 41:21
  his,
• 41:22
  his
• 41:22
  averages
• 41:23
  dropped
• 41:23
  the
• 41:23
  whole
• 41:23
  year.
• 41:24
  He
• 41:24
  couldn't
• 41:24
  grip
• 41:24
  a
• 41:24
  bat
• 41:25
  and
• 41:25
  he
• 41:25
  couldn't
• 41:25
  grip
• 41:26
  a
• 41:26
  ball
• 41:26
  to
• 41:26
  throw
• 41:26
  it.
• 41:27
  And
• 41:27
  that's.
• 41:28
  And
• 41:28
  even
• 41:28
  though
• 41:29
  he
• 41:29
  did
• 41:29
  hit
• 41:29
  2,
• 41:29
  2
• 41:30
  home
• 41:30
  runs
• 41:30
  in
• 41:30
  the
• 41:30
  All
• 41:30
  Star
• 41:30
  Game
• 41:31
  that
• 41:31
  year,
• 41:31
  but
• 41:31
  he,
• 41:32
  that,
• 41:33
  that
• 41:33
  was
• 41:33
  the
• 41:33
  beginning
• 41:33
  of
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  end
• 41:34
  of
• 41:34
  it
• 41:34
  because
• 41:35
  he,
• 41:36
  and
• 41:36
  then
• 41:36
  he
• 41:37
  had,
• 41:38
  and
• 41:38
  people
• 41:38
  didn't,
• 41:38
  you
• 41:39
  know,
• 41:39
  don't
• 41:39
  know
• 41:39
  this
• 41:39
  in
• 41:39
  the
• 41:40
  World
• 41:40
  Series
• 41:40
  he
• 41:40
  sat
• 41:40
  out
• 41:41
  game
• 41:41
  three
• 41:41
  cause
• 41:41
  he
• 41:41
  had
• 41:41
  shoulder
• 41:42
  injuries.
• 41:42
  He
• 41:42
  was
• 41:42
  just
• 41:43
  beat
• 41:43
  up
• 41:44
  and
• 41:45
  you
• 41:46
  know
• 41:46
  that.
• 41:46
  And
• 41:46
  then
• 41:47
  after
• 41:47
  that
• 41:47
  he
• 41:47
  had
• 41:47
  injuries
• 41:48
  every
• 41:48
  year.
• 41:48
  He
• 41:49
  just.
• 41:49
  He
• 41:49
  just
• 41:49
  started
• 41:50
  going
• 41:50
  downhill.
• 41:55
  Do
• 41:55
  you
• 41:55
  think.
• 41:56
  I'm
• 41:56
  asking
• 41:57
  you,
• 41:57
  Joe,
• 41:59
  your
• 41:59
  personal
• 42:00
  opinion.
• 42:01
  Do
• 42:01
  you
• 42:01
  think
• 42:02
  he
• 42:02
  left
• 42:02
  the
• 42:03
  game
• 42:03
  too
• 42:03
  soon
• 42:04
  or
• 42:05
  was
• 42:05
  it
• 42:06
  inevitable
• 42:08
  because
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  injuries
• 42:09
  took
• 42:09
  such
• 42:09
  a
• 42:10
  toll
• 42:10
  on
• 42:10
  him
• 42:10
  that.
• 42:11
  No,
• 42:11
  because
• 42:11
  I
• 42:12
  think
• 42:12
  55,
• 42:12
  56,
• 42:13
  he
• 42:13
  had
• 42:14
  not
• 42:15
  outros
• 42:15
  in,
• 42:16
  like,
• 42:16
  years,
• 42:19
  and
• 42:19
  he
• 42:19
  had
• 42:19
  just.
• 42:19
  He
• 42:19
  had
• 42:20
  just
• 42:20
  gotten
• 42:20
  over
• 42:20
  a
• 42:20
  thousand
• 42:21
  hits
• 42:21
  in.
• 42:21
  In
• 42:22
  1956.
• 42:23
  And.
• 42:28
  He
• 42:28
  said,
• 42:28
  you
• 42:29
  know,
• 42:29
  there
• 42:29
  was
• 42:29
  a
• 42:29
  big.
• 42:31
  There
• 42:32
  was
• 42:32
  coverage
• 42:32
  of
• 42:32
  the.
• 42:33
  In
• 42:33
  the
• 42:33
  paper.
• 42:33
  Was
• 42:33
  the
• 42:33
  Albrozen
• 42:34
  stain
• 42:34
  or
• 42:34
  was
• 42:34
  he
• 42:35
  leaving?
• 42:35
  And
• 42:35
  Greenberg
• 42:36
  didn't
• 42:36
  really
• 42:37
  want
• 42:37
  him
• 42:37
  to
• 42:37
  stay,
• 42:38
  I
• 42:38
  don't
• 42:38
  think.
• 42:38
  And
• 42:39
  there
• 42:39
  was
• 42:39
  a.
• 42:40
  One
• 42:40
  of
• 42:40
  the
• 42:41
  writers,
• 42:42
  his
• 42:43
  name's
• 42:43
  Gordon
• 42:44
  Cobbledick,
• 42:44
  and
• 42:45
  he
• 42:45
  was
• 42:45
  a.
• 42:47
  He's
• 42:47
  in
• 42:47
  the.
• 42:48
  I
• 42:48
  think
• 42:48
  he's
• 42:49
  in
• 42:49
  the
• 42:49
  writers
• 42:49
  wing
• 42:49
  at
• 42:49
  the
• 42:50
  hall
• 42:50
  of
• 42:50
  Fame.
• 42:50
  And
• 42:51
  he
• 42:51
  said
• 42:52
  he
• 42:52
  wrote
• 42:53
  an
• 42:53
  editorial.
• 42:53
  Al,
• 42:54
  the
• 42:54
  team
• 42:54
  doesn't
• 42:55
  want
• 42:55
  you
• 42:55
  on
• 42:55
  this
• 42:56
  team,
• 42:56
  you
• 42:56
  know,
• 42:56
  anymore.
• 42:57
  And
• 42:59
  I
• 42:59
  think
• 42:59
  he,
• 43:00
  you
• 43:00
  know,
• 43:00
  he
• 43:01
  was
• 43:01
  smart
• 43:02
  enough.
• 43:03
  He
• 43:03
  used
• 43:03
  to
• 43:03
  work
• 43:03
  as
• 43:04
  a
• 43:04
  stockbroker
• 43:04
  in
• 43:04
  the
• 43:05
  off
• 43:05
  season,
• 43:05
  and
• 43:05
  he
• 43:06
  was
• 43:06
  smart
• 43:06
  enough
• 43:06
  to
• 43:06
  make
• 43:06
  a
• 43:06
  career
• 43:07
  for
• 43:07
  himself
• 43:08
  because
• 43:08
  he
• 43:08
  was,
• 43:09
  you
• 43:09
  know,
• 43:09
  he.
• 43:09
  That's
• 43:10
  what.
• 43:10
  He
• 43:10
  went
• 43:10
  into
• 43:10
  finance.
• 43:11
  And
• 43:12
  he,
• 43:14
  you
• 43:14
  know,
• 43:14
  I
• 43:14
  don't
• 43:15
  think.
• 43:15
  I
• 43:15
  think
• 43:16
  he
• 43:16
  had
• 43:16
  second
• 43:17
  thoughts
• 43:17
  in
• 43:17
  57,
• 43:19
  but
• 43:19
  they
• 43:19
  said,
• 43:19
  you
• 43:19
  know,
• 43:20
  no,
• 43:21
  you
• 43:21
  know,
• 43:21
  just,
• 43:22
  you
• 43:22
  know,
• 43:22
  I
• 43:22
  don't
• 43:22
  know
• 43:22
  how
• 43:23
  the
• 43:23
  conversation
• 43:23
  went
• 43:23
  through.
• 43:23
  It
• 43:24
  was
• 43:24
  a
• 43:24
  conversation,
• 43:24
  but
• 43:25
  he
• 43:25
  ended
• 43:25
  up
• 43:26
  not.
• 43:26
  Not
• 43:26
  coming
• 43:27
  back.
• 43:27
  But
• 43:27
  I
• 43:27
  think
• 43:28
  he,
• 43:29
  you
• 43:29
  know,
• 43:29
  he
• 43:30
  was.
• 43:30
  In
• 43:31
  the
• 43:31
  last
• 43:31
  year,
• 43:32
  there
• 43:32
  was
• 43:32
  a
• 43:32
  game
• 43:33
  against
• 43:33
  Washington
• 43:34
  at
• 43:34
  the
• 43:35
  stadium
• 43:35
  and
• 43:36
  Stadium,
• 43:36
  and
• 43:37
  he
• 43:38
  got
• 43:38
  into
• 43:38
  a.
• 43:39
  He
• 43:39
  got
• 43:40
  into
• 43:40
  a.
• 43:41
  Pete
• 43:42
  Reiser
• 43:42
  was
• 43:42
  sliding
• 43:42
  in
• 43:43
  third
• 43:43
  and
• 43:43
  he
• 43:43
  knocked
• 43:43
  Rosen
• 43:44
  down.
• 43:44
  It
• 43:44
  wasn't
• 43:44
  unintentional,
• 43:45
  but
• 43:45
  he
• 43:45
  wrenched
• 43:46
  his
• 43:46
  knee
• 43:47
  and
• 43:47
  people
• 43:47
  were
• 43:48
  cheering
• 43:48
  that
• 43:49
  he
• 43:49
  got
• 43:49
  hurt
• 43:50
  and
• 43:51
  saying
• 43:52
  some
• 43:53
  not
• 43:53
  so
• 43:53
  good
• 43:53
  name.
• 43:54
  Now,
• 43:54
  I
• 43:54
  looked
• 43:55
  up
• 43:55
  that
• 43:55
  game,
• 43:55
  and
• 43:55
  there's
• 43:55
  only
• 43:56
  7,800
• 43:56
  people
• 43:57
  at
• 43:57
  it,
• 43:58
  but
• 43:59
  Al
• 44:00
  Lopez
• 44:00
  went
• 44:00
  off
• 44:00
  on
• 44:01
  it,
• 44:01
  talking
• 44:01
  about
• 44:02
  the
• 44:02
  Cleveland
• 44:02
  fans
• 44:02
  and
• 44:03
  how
• 44:03
  Bush
• 44:03
  they
• 44:03
  were
• 44:03
  and
• 44:04
  stuff.
• 44:04
  It
• 44:04
  was
• 44:04
  a.
• 44:05
  It
• 44:05
  was
• 44:05
  a
• 44:05
  pretty
• 44:05
  big
• 44:05
  thing.
• 44:06
  And
• 44:07
  he
• 44:07
  came
• 44:07
  back,
• 44:07
  but
• 44:08
  he
• 44:08
  was
• 44:08
  just
• 44:09
  whether
• 44:09
  that
• 44:09
  bothered.
• 44:09
  He
• 44:10
  said
• 44:10
  it
• 44:10
  didn't
• 44:10
  bother
• 44:10
  him,
• 44:11
  but
• 44:11
  it
• 44:11
  would
• 44:11
  have
• 44:11
  had
• 44:12
  to.
• 44:13
  And
• 44:13
  he
• 44:13
  just,
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  know,
• 44:14
  he.
• 44:14
  His
• 44:14
  production
• 44:15
  went
• 44:15
  down
• 44:15
  and,
• 44:15
  And
• 44:16
  I
• 44:16
  think
• 44:16
  he,
• 44:17
  you
• 44:17
  know,
• 44:17
  let's
• 44:18
  face
• 44:18
  it,
• 44:18
  he
• 44:18
  lost
• 44:18
  three
• 44:19
  years
• 44:19
  because
• 44:19
  of
• 44:19
  the
• 44:19
  service.
• 44:20
  So,
• 44:20
  you
• 44:20
  know,
• 44:21
  he.
• 44:21
  I
• 44:21
  think
• 44:21
  he
• 44:22
  just
• 44:22
  probably
• 44:22
  thought
• 44:22
  it
• 44:23
  was
• 44:23
  time.
• 44:24
  And,
• 44:26
  you
• 44:26
  know,
• 44:27
  I
• 44:28
  don't
• 44:28
  think
• 44:28
  you
• 44:29
  can,
• 44:31
  under
• 44:31
  those
• 44:31
  circumstances,
• 44:32
  fault
• 44:32
  anybody
• 44:32
  for
• 44:33
  wanting
• 44:33
  to
• 44:34
  give
• 44:34
  it
• 44:34
  up
• 44:37
  and
• 44:37
  not
• 44:37
  risking
• 44:37
  further
• 44:38
  injury
• 44:38
  than
• 44:38
  what
• 44:38
  he
• 44:38
  was
• 44:39
  already
• 44:39
  going
• 44:39
  through.
• 44:41
  Yeah,
• 44:41
  I
• 44:41
  mean,
• 44:41
  he
• 44:42
  certainly
• 44:42
  put
• 44:42
  up
• 44:42
  the
• 44:43
  numbers
• 44:43
  when
• 44:43
  he
• 44:43
  was
• 44:43
  healthy,
• 44:44
  that's
• 44:44
  for
• 44:44
  sure.
• 44:44
  Overall,
• 44:45
  for
• 44:45
  his
• 44:45
  career,
• 44:46
  he
• 44:46
  had
• 44:46
  192
• 44:47
  homers.
• 44:48
  That's
• 44:48
  like.
• 44:48
  He
• 44:49
  averaged,
• 44:49
  like,
• 44:49
  30
• 44:49
  home
• 44:50
  runs
• 44:50
  a
• 44:50
  year,
• 44:50
  and
• 44:51
  he
• 44:51
  hit.285
• 44:52
  for
• 44:52
  his
• 44:53
  career.
• 44:53
  And
• 44:53
  that's
• 44:54
  with
• 44:54
  his
• 44:54
  final
• 44:55
  three
• 44:55
  seasons
• 44:56
  really
• 44:57
  being
• 44:57
  a
• 44:57
  drop
• 44:57
  off
• 44:58
  with
• 44:58
  24,
• 44:58
  21
• 44:59
  and
• 44:59
  15
• 45:00
  home
• 45:00
  runs.
• 45:01
  One
• 45:01
  hundred
• 45:01
  and
• 45:01
  two
• 45:01
  ribies.
• 45:02
  81
• 45:03
  and
• 45:03
  61.
• 45:06
  You
• 45:06
  mentioned
• 45:06
  it.
• 45:07
  He
• 45:07
  left
• 45:07
  the
• 45:07
  game
• 45:07
  as
• 45:07
  a
• 45:08
  stockbroker.
• 45:08
  He
• 45:09
  spent
• 45:09
  17
• 45:10
  years
• 45:11
  out
• 45:11
  of
• 45:11
  the
• 45:11
  game
• 45:12
  and
• 45:12
  then
• 45:12
  came
• 45:12
  back
• 45:13
  in
• 45:13
  1973
• 45:14
  with
• 45:14
  the
• 45:14
  Yankees
• 45:16
  as
• 45:16
  their
• 45:16
  president
• 45:17
  and
• 45:17
  CEO.
• 45:19
  How
• 45:19
  does
• 45:20
  that
• 45:20
  happen?
• 45:21
  How
• 45:21
  do
• 45:21
  you
• 45:21
  leave
• 45:22
  the
• 45:22
  game
• 45:22
  for
• 45:22
  such
• 45:22
  a
• 45:23
  long
• 45:23
  period
• 45:24
  of
• 45:24
  time
• 45:25
  and
• 45:25
  come
• 45:25
  back
• 45:25
  as
• 45:26
  the
• 45:26
  president
• 45:26
  and
• 45:27
  CEO
• 45:27
  of
• 45:28
  a
• 45:28
  team
• 45:28
  you
• 45:28
  were
• 45:28
  never
• 45:29
  with?
• 45:29
  Well,
• 45:30
  it
• 45:30
  was
• 45:30
  after.
• 45:30
  It
• 45:30
  was
• 45:31
  actually
• 45:31
  1978.
• 45:32
  78,
• 45:33
  yeah,
• 45:34
  78,
• 45:34
  yeah.
• 45:36
  Well,
• 45:37
  he
• 45:38
  had.
• 45:38
  He
• 45:38
  was
• 45:38
  a
• 45:39
  stockbroker
• 45:39
  for,
• 45:40
  you
• 45:40
  know,
• 45:41
  and
• 45:41
  don't
• 45:41
  forget,
• 45:42
  too,
• 45:43
  he
• 45:43
  was
• 45:43
  part
• 45:43
  of
• 45:44
  an
• 45:44
  ownership
• 45:44
  team
• 45:44
  that
• 45:44
  tried
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  buy
• 45:45
  the
• 45:45
  Indians
• 45:45
  with
• 45:45
  George
• 45:46
  Steinbrenner
• 45:48
  in
• 45:48
  1970.
• 45:50
  And
• 45:51
  he
• 45:51
  was
• 45:52
  part
• 45:52
  of
• 45:52
  a.
• 45:54
  You
• 45:54
  know,
• 45:55
  he
• 45:55
  was
• 45:55
  part
• 45:55
  of
• 45:55
  some
• 45:55
  social
• 45:56
  organizations,
• 45:57
  too,
• 45:57
  one
• 45:57
  called
• 45:58
  the
• 45:58
  Wahoo
• 45:58
  Club.
• 45:59
  Rosen
• 45:59
  started
• 45:59
  that,
• 46:00
  which
• 46:00
  was
• 46:00
  a
• 46:00
  support
• 46:00
  group
• 46:01
  for
• 46:01
  the
• 46:01
  Indians
• 46:01
  as
• 46:01
  far
• 46:02
  as
• 46:02
  getting
• 46:02
  fan
• 46:03
  involvement,
• 46:03
  taking
• 46:04
  road
• 46:04
  trips
• 46:05
  and
• 46:05
  things
• 46:05
  like
• 46:05
  that.
• 46:05
  He
• 46:05
  was
• 46:06
  integral
• 46:06
  into
• 46:06
  that.
• 46:07
  But,
• 46:08
  you
• 46:08
  know,
• 46:09
  he
• 46:09
  was
• 46:09
  a
• 46:09
  stockbroker
• 46:10
  for,
• 46:11
  ooh,
• 46:12
  maybe
• 46:13
  after
• 46:14
  he
• 46:14
  retired,
• 46:14
  close
• 46:14
  to
• 46:15
  20
• 46:15
  years.
• 46:16
  Then,
• 46:16
  you
• 46:16
  know,
• 46:17
  he
• 46:17
  gave
• 46:17
  that
• 46:17
  up.
• 46:17
  He
• 46:17
  moved
• 46:18
  out
• 46:18
  to
• 46:18
  Vegas.
• 46:19
  He
• 46:19
  worked
• 46:19
  for
• 46:19
  one
• 46:20
  of
• 46:20
  the
• 46:20
  casinos,
• 46:20
  but
• 46:21
  it
• 46:22
  was
• 46:22
  being
• 46:22
  a
• 46:22
  casino
• 46:23
  greeter.
• 46:23
  It
• 46:24
  wasn't
• 46:24
  something
• 46:24
  he
• 46:25
  really.
• 46:27
  I
• 46:27
  guess
• 46:27
  maybe
• 46:28
  it
• 46:28
  wasn't
• 46:29
  what
• 46:29
  he
• 46:29
  envisioned,
• 46:29
  what
• 46:30
  he
• 46:30
  was
• 46:30
  going
• 46:30
  to
• 46:30
  do.
• 46:30
  I
• 46:31
  don't
• 46:31
  know.
• 46:32
  And
• 46:32
  Steinbrenner
• 46:33
  went
• 46:33
  out
• 46:33
  there
• 46:34
  for
• 46:34
  a
• 46:35
  prize
• 46:35
  fight,
• 46:37
  and,
• 46:37
  you
• 46:37
  know,
• 46:37
  they're
• 46:38
  really
• 46:38
  good
• 46:38
  friends.
• 46:38
  And
• 46:40
  he
• 46:40
  asked.
• 46:43
  He
• 46:43
  asked
• 46:44
  Rosen,
• 46:44
  he
• 46:44
  said,
• 46:44
  well,
• 46:45
  he
• 46:46
  was
• 46:46
  Rosen's
• 46:46
  guest.
• 46:46
  He
• 46:47
  was
• 46:47
  Steinbrenner's
• 46:48
  guest
• 46:48
  during
• 46:48
  the
• 46:48
  1977
• 46:49
  All
• 46:49
  Star
• 46:49
  Game
• 46:50
  was
• 46:50
  at
• 46:50
  Yankee
• 46:51
  Stadium.
• 46:51
  And
• 46:52
  at
• 46:52
  that
• 46:52
  time,
• 46:52
  he
• 46:52
  asked
• 46:52
  Rosen
• 46:53
  to
• 46:53
  come
• 46:53
  back.
• 46:53
  And
• 46:53
  Rosen
• 46:54
  said,
• 46:54
  you
• 46:54
  know,
• 46:54
  no.
• 46:55
  And
• 46:55
  then
• 46:55
  he.
• 46:56
  He
• 46:56
  went
• 46:56
  out
• 46:56
  there,
• 46:57
  you
• 46:57
  know,
• 46:57
  during
• 46:57
  the
• 46:58
  off
• 46:58
  season,
• 46:58
  he
• 46:58
  said,
• 46:58
  look,
• 46:59
  Cedric
• 46:59
  Talis
• 46:59
  will
• 47:00
  be
• 47:00
  running
• 47:00
  things,
• 47:00
  but
• 47:00
  I,
• 47:00
  you
• 47:01
  know,
• 47:01
  I
• 47:01
  want
• 47:01
  you
• 47:01
  to,
• 47:02
  you
• 47:02
  know,
• 47:02
  he'll
• 47:03
  be
• 47:03
  the
• 47:03
  president,
• 47:03
  but
• 47:03
  I
• 47:04
  want
• 47:04
  you
• 47:04
  to
• 47:04
  be
• 47:04
  the,
• 47:04
  you
• 47:04
  know,
• 47:04
  the
• 47:05
  gm.
• 47:05
  And,
• 47:07
  you
• 47:07
  know,
• 47:08
  he
• 47:08
  did.
• 47:11
  And
• 47:13
  of
• 47:13
  course,
• 47:14
  he,
• 47:14
  you
• 47:14
  know,
• 47:14
  he
• 47:14
  hired
• 47:15
  Bob
• 47:15
  Lemon
• 47:15
  and
• 47:15
  replaced
• 47:16
  Willy
• 47:16
  Martin,
• 47:16
  and
• 47:16
  they
• 47:16
  had
• 47:16
  a
• 47:16
  whole.
• 47:17
  And
• 47:17
  they
• 47:17
  won
• 47:17
  the
• 47:17
  world
• 47:18
  championship.
• 47:18
  But,
• 47:19
  you
• 47:19
  know,
• 47:20
  he
• 47:21
  was,
• 47:22
  you
• 47:22
  know,
• 47:22
  he
• 47:22
  was
• 47:22
  really
• 47:23
  fortunate
• 47:23
  to
• 47:23
  fall
• 47:23
  into
• 47:24
  a
• 47:24
  situation
• 47:24
  like
• 47:24
  that
• 47:25
  because
• 47:25
  him
• 47:25
  and
• 47:25
  Steinbrand
• 47:26
  were
• 47:26
  buddies,
• 47:26
  even
• 47:26
  though
• 47:26
  they
• 47:27
  did
• 47:27
  clash.
• 47:28
  But
• 47:29
  you
• 47:29
  know,
• 47:29
  he
• 47:31
  fell
• 47:32
  into
• 47:32
  a
• 47:32
  good.
• 47:32
  That
• 47:32
  was
• 47:33
  a
• 47:33
  good.
• 47:33
  That
• 47:33
  was
• 47:33
  a
• 47:33
  solid
• 47:33
  club.
• 47:34
  Right.
• 47:34
  They
• 47:34
  won
• 47:34
  in
• 47:34
  77,
• 47:35
  they
• 47:35
  won
• 47:35
  78.
• 47:36
  They
• 47:36
  went
• 47:36
  to
• 47:36
  the
• 47:36
  series
• 47:37
  in
• 47:37
  76,
• 47:38
  three
• 47:38
  penny,
• 47:39
  you
• 47:39
  know,
• 47:39
  winning
• 47:40
  seasons
• 47:40
  in
• 47:40
  a
• 47:40
  row.
• 47:40
  So
• 47:41
  his
• 47:41
  fortunate
• 47:41
  that
• 47:42
  way.
• 47:43
  Yeah,
• 47:43
  no,
• 47:44
  I
• 47:44
  mean,
• 47:44
  it
• 47:44
  was.
• 47:45
  He
• 47:45
  came
• 47:45
  in
• 47:46
  during
• 47:46
  a
• 47:47
  good
• 47:47
  time,
• 47:47
  and
• 47:47
  then,
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  know,
• 47:48
  he
• 47:48
  spent
• 47:49
  time
• 47:49
  with
• 47:49
  the
• 47:50
  Astros
• 47:51
  and
• 47:51
  he
• 47:51
  spent
• 47:52
  time
• 47:53
  with
• 47:53
  the
• 47:53
  San
• 47:54
  Francisco
• 47:54
  Giants.
• 47:56
  I'm
• 47:56
  not
• 47:57
  sure
• 47:57
  many
• 47:57
  people
• 47:58
  realize
• 47:59
  how
• 48:00
  impactful
• 48:01
  he
• 48:01
  was
• 48:02
  as
• 48:03
  an
• 48:03
  executive.
• 48:05
  Well,
• 48:07
  I
• 48:08
  will
• 48:08
  tell
• 48:08
  you
• 48:08
  that
• 48:09
  from
• 48:09
  what
• 48:09
  I've
• 48:09
  read
• 48:10
  about
• 48:10
  him,
• 48:10
  is
• 48:11
  that
• 48:13
  he
• 48:13
  left
• 48:14
  the
• 48:14
  Yankees
• 48:14
  in
• 48:15
  79
• 48:18
  and,
• 48:18
  you
• 48:19
  know,
• 48:19
  he
• 48:19
  got
• 48:19
  hired
• 48:22
  by
• 48:23
  the
• 48:23
  Astros.
• 48:23
  The
• 48:24
  Astros
• 48:24
  had
• 48:24
  just
• 48:24
  won,
• 48:25
  I
• 48:25
  think,
• 48:25
  a
• 48:25
  division
• 48:25
  title
• 48:25
  in
• 48:26
  1980,
• 48:26
  and
• 48:26
  they
• 48:26
  lost
• 48:26
  to
• 48:27
  the
• 48:27
  Phillies
• 48:27
  in
• 48:27
  the
• 48:27
  championship.
• 48:30
  They
• 48:30
  hired
• 48:30
  Rosen
• 48:31
  after
• 48:31
  the
• 48:31
  season.
• 48:31
  They
• 48:31
  fired
• 48:32
  Tal
• 48:32
  Smith.
• 48:34
  And
• 48:34
  Tal
• 48:34
  Smith,
• 48:35
  who
• 48:35
  also
• 48:36
  worked
• 48:36
  for
• 48:36
  the
• 48:36
  Yankees,
• 48:37
  built
• 48:38
  that
• 48:38
  team
• 48:38
  out
• 48:38
  of
• 48:38
  nothing,
• 48:39
  the
• 48:39
  Astros.
• 48:40
  And
• 48:41
  he
• 48:42
  was
• 48:42
  a
• 48:42
  very
• 48:42
  smart
• 48:42
  baseball
• 48:43
  man,
• 48:43
  and
• 48:43
  he
• 48:43
  put
• 48:43
  that
• 48:44
  team
• 48:44
  in.
• 48:44
  Well,
• 48:46
  you
• 48:46
  know,
• 48:46
  he
• 48:46
  was
• 48:47
  in
• 48:47
  a
• 48:47
  no
• 48:47
  win
• 48:47
  situation
• 48:48
  because
• 48:48
  if
• 48:49
  he
• 48:49
  won
• 48:50
  with
• 48:50
  the
• 48:50
  Astros
• 48:51
  while
• 48:51
  he
• 48:51
  was
• 48:51
  doing
• 48:51
  it
• 48:51
  with
• 48:51
  Taosmith's
• 48:52
  ball
• 48:52
  players,
• 48:53
  if
• 48:53
  he
• 48:54
  failed,
• 48:55
  well,
• 48:55
  then
• 48:55
  he
• 48:55
  tore
• 48:56
  it
• 48:56
  up.
• 48:56
  You
• 48:56
  know,
• 48:56
  he
• 48:56
  tore
• 48:57
  up
• 48:57
  a
• 48:57
  Tal
• 48:57
  Smith
• 48:57
  bill.
• 48:58
  And
• 48:58
  then
• 48:58
  in
• 48:59
  1981,
• 48:59
  his
• 48:59
  first
• 49:00
  season,
• 49:00
  the
• 49:00
  strike
• 49:01
  hit.
• 49:02
  So
• 49:03
  they
• 49:03
  made
• 49:03
  the
• 49:04
  playoffs,
• 49:04
  they
• 49:04
  won
• 49:05
  one
• 49:05
  half,
• 49:05
  they
• 49:05
  lost
• 49:06
  the
• 49:06
  Dodgers
• 49:06
  in
• 49:06
  the
• 49:06
  first
• 49:07
  round,
• 49:08
  and
• 49:09
  they
• 49:09
  never
• 49:09
  made
• 49:09
  the
• 49:09
  playoffs
• 49:10
  again.
• 49:11
  You
• 49:11
  know,
• 49:11
  and.
• 49:11
  And
• 49:13
  I
• 49:14
  call
• 49:14
  them
• 49:14
  the
• 49:14
  Houston
• 49:15
  Mediocre
• 49:15
  in
• 49:15
  the
• 49:15
  book,
• 49:16
  because
• 49:16
  that's
• 49:16
  what
• 49:16
  they
• 49:16
  were.
• 49:17
  They
• 49:17
  were
• 49:17
  just.
• 49:17
  They
• 49:18
  were
• 49:18
  very
• 49:18
  mediocre,
• 49:19
  and
• 49:19
  they
• 49:19
  never
• 49:20
  did
• 49:20
  make.
• 49:20
  Make
• 49:20
  a
• 49:20
  mark.
• 49:22
  And
• 49:22
  it
• 49:22
  really
• 49:23
  wasn't
• 49:23
  until
• 49:23
  the
• 49:23
  Giants,
• 49:24
  when
• 49:24
  he
• 49:24
  was
• 49:25
  working
• 49:25
  for
• 49:25
  Bob
• 49:25
  Lurie,
• 49:27
  you
• 49:27
  know,
• 49:27
  even
• 49:27
  Steinbrenner,
• 49:28
  so
• 49:28
  Steinbrenner
• 49:29
  and
• 49:30
  in
• 49:31
  Houston,
• 49:31
  he
• 49:32
  was
• 49:32
  always
• 49:32
  under
• 49:32
  the
• 49:32
  microscope.
• 49:33
  He
• 49:33
  had
• 49:33
  to
• 49:33
  get
• 49:33
  all
• 49:33
  deals
• 49:34
  cleared
• 49:34
  and
• 49:35
  everything.
• 49:35
  But
• 49:35
  it
• 49:35
  wasn't
• 49:36
  until
• 49:36
  he
• 49:36
  got
• 49:36
  to
• 49:38
  San
• 49:38
  Francisco
• 49:38
  he
• 49:39
  was
• 49:39
  comfortable
• 49:39
  working
• 49:39
  with
• 49:39
  Roger
• 49:40
  Craig
• 49:40
  as
• 49:40
  his
• 49:40
  manager,
• 49:41
  that
• 49:42
  he
• 49:42
  really,
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  think
• 49:43
  that
• 49:43
  was
• 49:43
  his.
• 49:44
  Really
• 49:44
  his
• 49:44
  golden
• 49:45
  time.
• 49:45
  Even
• 49:45
  though
• 49:45
  he.
• 49:46
  He
• 49:46
  won,
• 49:46
  did
• 49:46
  win
• 49:47
  just
• 49:47
  one
• 49:47
  pennant,
• 49:47
  but
• 49:47
  not
• 49:48
  a
• 49:48
  world
• 49:48
  championship.
• 49:49
  I
• 49:49
  think
• 49:49
  that
• 49:49
  was
• 49:49
  his
• 49:50
  really
• 49:50
  golden
• 49:50
  time
• 49:50
  as
• 49:51
  a.
• 49:51
  As
• 49:51
  a
• 49:51
  front
• 49:51
  office
• 49:52
  man.
• 49:52
  He
• 49:52
  spent
• 49:52
  seven
• 49:53
  years
• 49:53
  there.
• 49:54
  And,
• 49:54
  you
• 49:54
  know,
• 49:57
  you
• 49:57
  know,
• 49:58
  he.
• 49:58
  I
• 49:58
  think
• 49:59
  everybody,
• 50:00
  Everybody
• 50:00
  liked
• 50:00
  him.
• 50:01
  I,
• 50:01
  I
• 50:01
  think
• 50:01
  the
• 50:01
  only
• 50:02
  run
• 50:02
  in
• 50:02
  he
• 50:02
  had
• 50:02
  was
• 50:03
  with
• 50:03
  Kevin
• 50:03
  Mitchell.
• 50:03
  And
• 50:04
  I
• 50:04
  think
• 50:04
  that
• 50:06
  a
• 50:06
  lot
• 50:06
  of
• 50:06
  people
• 50:06
  had
• 50:07
  run
• 50:07
  ins
• 50:07
  with
• 50:07
  Kevin
• 50:07
  Mitchell.
• 50:08
  He
• 50:08
  switched
• 50:08
  a
• 50:08
  lot
• 50:08
  of
• 50:08
  teams
• 50:09
  and.
• 50:10
  But
• 50:11
  I
• 50:11
  think
• 50:11
  he,
• 50:12
  you
• 50:12
  know,
• 50:12
  the
• 50:12
  Yankees
• 50:13
  was.
• 50:13
  Was
• 50:13
  hard
• 50:13
  for
• 50:13
  him.
• 50:14
  You
• 50:14
  know,
• 50:16
  he
• 50:16
  hired
• 50:16
  Lemon
• 50:17
  to
• 50:17
  replace
• 50:17
  Billy
• 50:18
  Martin,
• 50:18
  and
• 50:18
  then
• 50:19
  they
• 50:20
  announced
• 50:20
  Billy
• 50:20
  Martin
• 50:21
  was
• 50:21
  coming
• 50:21
  back,
• 50:21
  and
• 50:22
  it
• 50:22
  was
• 50:22
  just,
• 50:22
  it
• 50:22
  was
• 50:22
  just
• 50:22
  a
• 50:22
  whole
• 50:23
  big
• 50:23
  mess,
• 50:23
  you
• 50:23
  know.
• 50:24
  And,
• 50:25
  and
• 50:25
  you
• 50:25
  know,
• 50:25
  Reggie
• 50:26
  Jackson
• 50:26
  said,
• 50:26
  you
• 50:27
  know,
• 50:27
  this
• 50:27
  guy
• 50:28
  Rosen,
• 50:29
  who's
• 50:29
  a
• 50:29
  heck
• 50:29
  of
• 50:30
  a
• 50:30
  player,
• 50:30
  he's
• 50:30
  not
• 50:30
  going
• 50:30
  to
• 50:30
  take
• 50:31
  crap
• 50:31
  from
• 50:31
  Steinbrenner.
• 50:32
  And
• 50:32
  he
• 50:32
  didn't.
• 50:33
  He
• 50:33
  resigned
• 50:34
  because
• 50:35
  it
• 50:35
  was
• 50:35
  just,
• 50:35
  it
• 50:35
  wasn't.
• 50:36
  It's
• 50:37
  just
• 50:37
  like
• 50:37
  everybody
• 50:37
  else
• 50:38
  before
• 50:38
  him
• 50:38
  or
• 50:38
  since,
• 50:39
  you
• 50:39
  know,
• 50:40
  it
• 50:40
  was
• 50:40
  just
• 50:40
  a
• 50:40
  toxic
• 50:41
  situation.
• 50:42
  And
• 50:42
  then
• 50:42
  he
• 50:42
  got,
• 50:43
  then
• 50:43
  he
• 50:43
  went
• 50:43
  to
• 50:43
  another
• 50:43
  one
• 50:44
  in
• 50:44
  Houston
• 50:44
  and
• 50:45
  like
• 50:45
  I
• 50:45
  said,
• 50:45
  he
• 50:46
  replaced
• 50:46
  Hal
• 50:47
  Smith
• 50:47
  and
• 50:47
  then,
• 50:47
  but
• 50:48
  it
• 50:48
  wasn't
• 50:48
  until
• 50:48
  he
• 50:48
  got
• 50:48
  to
• 50:48
  San
• 50:49
  Francisco,
• 50:49
  I
• 50:49
  think
• 50:50
  is
• 50:50
  his
• 50:50
  real.
• 50:51
  Is
• 50:51
  really
• 50:52
  those
• 50:52
  were
• 50:53
  his
• 50:53
  best
• 50:53
  years.
• 50:54
  And
• 50:54
  when
• 50:54
  he
• 50:54
  got
• 50:55
  there
• 50:55
  and
• 50:56
  was
• 50:57
  really
• 50:57
  able
• 50:58
  to
• 50:58
  put
• 50:59
  his
• 50:59
  finger
• 51:00
  on
• 51:00
  the
• 51:00
  pulse
• 51:00
  of
• 51:01
  the
• 51:01
  team
• 51:01
  and
• 51:02
  do
• 51:02
  the
• 51:02
  job
• 51:02
  that
• 51:04
  he
• 51:04
  was
• 51:04
  hired
• 51:05
  to
• 51:05
  do
• 51:05
  without
• 51:06
  somebody
• 51:07
  over
• 51:07
  always
• 51:08
  looking
• 51:09
  over
• 51:09
  his
• 51:09
  shoulder.
• 51:10
  Was
• 51:10
  he
• 51:12
  at
• 51:12
  all
• 51:13
  ahead
• 51:14
  of
• 51:14
  his
• 51:14
  time
• 51:15
  in
• 51:15
  how
• 51:16
  he
• 51:16
  approached
• 51:17
  the
• 51:17
  business
• 51:17
  of
• 51:18
  baseball?
• 51:20
  Well,
• 51:21
  maybe
• 51:21
  because
• 51:21
  he
• 51:21
  was
• 51:22
  very
• 51:22
  honest
• 51:24
  and
• 51:25
  he,
• 51:28
  I
• 51:28
  think
• 51:29
  there's
• 51:29
  a
• 51:29
  writer
• 51:29
  for
• 51:30
  San
• 51:30
  Francisco
• 51:30
  Chronicle,
• 51:31
  maybe
• 51:31
  his
• 51:31
  examiner,
• 51:32
  his
• 51:32
  name
• 51:32
  was
• 51:32
  Ray
• 51:32
  Ratto.
• 51:33
  And
• 51:33
  he
• 51:34
  said
• 51:34
  I'm
• 51:34
  going
• 51:35
  to
• 51:35
  miss
• 51:35
  Al
• 51:35
  Rosen
• 51:36
  because
• 51:37
  I
• 51:37
  enjoy
• 51:37
  talking
• 51:38
  to
• 51:38
  him
• 51:38
  about.
• 51:38
  He
• 51:39
  says
• 51:39
  he,
• 51:39
  he
• 51:40
  could
• 51:40
  never
• 51:41
  give
• 51:42
  me
• 51:42
  all
• 51:42
  the
• 51:42
  information
• 51:43
  I
• 51:43
  wanted,
• 51:44
  but
• 51:44
  he
• 51:44
  never
• 51:44
  lied
• 51:45
  to
• 51:45
  me
• 51:46
  and
• 51:46
  I
• 51:46
  enjoy
• 51:46
  talking.
• 51:47
  And
• 51:47
  this
• 51:47
  was,
• 51:48
  and
• 51:48
  that
• 51:48
  was
• 51:48
  a,
• 51:49
  you
• 51:49
  know,
• 51:49
  I
• 51:49
  think
• 51:49
  it's
• 51:50
  the
• 51:50
  last
• 51:50
  sentence
• 51:50
  in
• 51:50
  this
• 51:51
  San
• 51:52
  Francisco,
• 51:52
  you
• 51:53
  know,
• 51:53
  because
• 51:53
  they,
• 51:53
  there
• 51:54
  was
• 51:54
  a
• 51:54
  story
• 51:54
  that
• 51:54
  the
• 51:54
  Giants
• 51:55
  were
• 51:55
  going
• 51:55
  to
• 51:55
  move
• 51:55
  to
• 51:55
  St.
• 51:55
  Petersburg
• 51:56
  and
• 51:56
  at
• 51:56
  the
• 51:57
  last
• 51:57
  minute
• 51:57
  they
• 51:57
  were
• 51:57
  and
• 51:58
  I
• 51:58
  remember
• 51:58
  that
• 51:58
  happening
• 51:59
  and,
• 51:59
  and
• 51:59
  I
• 51:59
  remember,
• 52:00
  you
• 52:00
  know,
• 52:00
  they
• 52:00
  got
• 52:00
  saved.
• 52:01
  And
• 52:01
  he
• 52:01
  said,
• 52:01
  well,
• 52:01
  I'm
• 52:01
  going
• 52:01
  to
• 52:02
  remember,
• 52:02
  you
• 52:02
  know,
• 52:02
  Mrs.
• 52:03
  Stories
• 52:03
  in
• 52:04
  his
• 52:04
  honesty.
• 52:05
  He
• 52:05
  says
• 52:05
  he
• 52:05
  never
• 52:05
  lied
• 52:06
  to
• 52:06
  me.
• 52:07
  Sometimes
• 52:07
  he
• 52:08
  couldn't
• 52:08
  tell
• 52:08
  me
• 52:08
  everything,
• 52:08
  but
• 52:08
  he
• 52:09
  never
• 52:09
  lied
• 52:09
  to
• 52:09
  me.
• 52:09
  And
• 52:09
  I
• 52:10
  think
• 52:10
  that's,
• 52:11
  that's
• 52:11
  a
• 52:11
  fitting
• 52:11
  tribute
• 52:12
  to
• 52:12
  how
• 52:12
  he
• 52:12
  went
• 52:13
  about
• 52:13
  his
• 52:13
  business.
• 52:14
  When
• 52:15
  you
• 52:15
  step
• 52:15
  back,
• 52:17
  what
• 52:17
  do
• 52:17
  you
• 52:17
  think
• 52:18
  Al
• 52:19
  Rosen's
• 52:20
  true
• 52:21
  legacy
• 52:21
  is
• 52:22
  not
• 52:22
  just
• 52:22
  as
• 52:22
  a
• 52:23
  player
• 52:23
  but
• 52:23
  as
• 52:23
  a
• 52:23
  person?
• 52:25
  Well,
• 52:25
  I
• 52:25
  think
• 52:25
  he
• 52:26
  was
• 52:26
  a,
• 52:28
  you
• 52:28
  know,
• 52:28
  he
• 52:28
  was
• 52:28
  a,
• 52:29
  he
• 52:29
  was
• 52:29
  a
• 52:29
  top
• 52:29
  shelf
• 52:30
  person.
• 52:30
  And,
• 52:30
  and
• 52:31
  I
• 52:31
  think
• 52:31
  that,
• 52:32
  you
• 52:33
  know,
• 52:33
  obviously
• 52:33
  you're,
• 52:34
  you're
• 52:34
  a
• 52:34
  gm,
• 52:34
  you're
• 52:34
  going
• 52:35
  to
• 52:35
  have,
• 52:35
  you're
• 52:35
  going
• 52:35
  to
• 52:35
  have
• 52:35
  enemies,
• 52:36
  you
• 52:36
  know,
• 52:36
  you're
• 52:37
  not
• 52:37
  going
• 52:37
  to,
• 52:37
  you
• 52:37
  know,
• 52:38
  please
• 52:38
  everybody.
• 52:38
  But
• 52:39
  as
• 52:39
  a
• 52:40
  player
• 52:40
  and
• 52:41
  as
• 52:41
  a
• 52:41
  man,
• 52:41
  I
• 52:41
  think
• 52:42
  he
• 52:42
  was
• 52:42
  well
• 52:42
  respected.
• 52:42
  I
• 52:43
  think
• 52:43
  he,
• 52:44
  you
• 52:44
  know,
• 52:44
  there
• 52:44
  was
• 52:44
  a,
• 52:44
  there's
• 52:45
  a
• 52:45
  story
• 52:45
  and
• 52:48
  he
• 52:48
  came
• 52:48
  back
• 52:49
  to
• 52:49
  Cleveland
• 52:50
  and
• 52:51
  this
• 52:51
  is
• 52:51
  where
• 52:51
  the
• 52:52
  Indians
• 52:52
  or
• 52:52
  Guardians
• 52:53
  fall
• 52:53
  down.
• 52:53
  They
• 52:54
  don't
• 52:54
  celebrate
• 52:54
  their
• 52:55
  history
• 52:55
  like
• 52:55
  a
• 52:55
  lot
• 52:56
  of
• 52:56
  other
• 52:56
  teams
• 52:56
  do.
• 52:56
  And
• 52:58
  I
• 52:58
  think
• 52:58
  it
• 52:59
  was
• 52:59
  in
• 52:59
  2013.
• 53:00
  No,
• 53:01
  it
• 53:01
  might
• 53:01
  have
• 53:01
  been
• 53:01
  2003,
• 53:04
  they
• 53:04
  brought
• 53:04
  him
• 53:05
  back
• 53:05
  to
• 53:05
  celebrate
• 53:05
  his
• 53:06
  MVP
• 53:07
  year.
• 53:09
  And
• 53:11
  on
• 53:11
  Sundays
• 53:12
  they
• 53:12
  have
• 53:12
  a
• 53:12
  promotion.
• 53:13
  Kids
• 53:14
  run
• 53:14
  the
• 53:14
  bases
• 53:15
  after
• 53:15
  the
• 53:15
  game.
• 53:15
  And
• 53:17
  now
• 53:17
  they
• 53:17
  have,
• 53:17
  now
• 53:18
  they
• 53:18
  switch
• 53:18
  it
• 53:18
  to
• 53:18
  adults,
• 53:19
  walk
• 53:19
  around
• 53:19
  the
• 53:19
  bases.
• 53:20
  They
• 53:20
  don't
• 53:20
  want
• 53:20
  adults
• 53:21
  running
• 53:21
  around
• 53:21
  the
• 53:21
  bases
• 53:22
  because
• 53:22
  they
• 53:22
  might
• 53:22
  kill
• 53:22
  themselves.
• 53:23
  And
• 53:24
  but
• 53:24
  Al
• 53:24
  Rosen,
• 53:24
  he
• 53:25
  stood
• 53:25
  at
• 53:25
  home
• 53:25
  plate,
• 53:25
  shook
• 53:26
  and
• 53:26
  everybody
• 53:26
  shook
• 53:27
  everybody's
• 53:27
  hand
• 53:27
  that
• 53:27
  came
• 53:28
  across.
• 53:28
  You
• 53:28
  know,
• 53:28
  I
• 53:28
  mean
• 53:28
  the
• 53:29
  guy
• 53:29
  is
• 53:29
  just,
• 53:29
  you
• 53:30
  know,
• 53:30
  and
• 53:31
  there's
• 53:31
  a
• 53:31
  lot
• 53:31
  of
• 53:31
  articles
• 53:32
  written
• 53:32
  about
• 53:32
  him.
• 53:32
  The
• 53:33
  guy
• 53:33
  was
• 53:33
  just,
• 53:34
  he
• 53:34
  was
• 53:34
  a
• 53:34
  class
• 53:34
  individual.
• 53:35
  And
• 53:37
  I
• 53:37
  think
• 53:38
  that
• 53:40
  there
• 53:41
  are
• 53:41
  things
• 53:41
  that,
• 53:46
  You
• 53:46
  know,
• 53:46
  people
• 53:46
  could
• 53:47
  look
• 53:47
  at
• 53:47
  and
• 53:47
  say
• 53:48
  what
• 53:48
  about
• 53:48
  this
• 53:48
  or
• 53:49
  that?
• 53:49
  But
• 53:49
  you
• 53:49
  could
• 53:49
  do
• 53:49
  that
• 53:50
  with
• 53:50
  anybody.
• 53:50
  But
• 53:51
  I
• 53:51
  think
• 53:51
  as
• 53:51
  far
• 53:51
  as
• 53:51
  the
• 53:52
  way
• 53:52
  people
• 53:53
  viewed
• 53:53
  him
• 53:54
  in
• 53:54
  the
• 53:54
  baseball
• 53:55
  world,
• 53:55
  he
• 53:55
  was
• 53:55
  very
• 53:55
  well
• 53:56
  respected
• 53:56
  as
• 53:56
  a
• 53:57
  front
• 53:57
  office
• 53:57
  exec
• 53:58
  and
• 53:58
  as
• 53:58
  a
• 53:58
  player.
• 54:00
  Well,
• 54:00
  Joe,
• 54:01
  thank
• 54:01
  you
• 54:01
  so
• 54:01
  much
• 54:02
  for
• 54:02
  joining
• 54:02
  me
• 54:02
  on
• 54:03
  Sports
• 54:03
  Forgotten.
• 54:04
  Thanks
• 54:04
  for
• 54:04
  having
• 54:05
  me.
• 54:05
  Yeah.
• 54:05
  Hebrew
• 54:06
  Hammer,
• 54:06
  a
• 54:06
  biography
• 54:07
  of
• 54:07
  Al
• 54:08
  Rosen,
• 54:09
  All
• 54:09
  Star
• 54:10
  third
• 54:10
  baseman,
• 54:11
  came
• 54:12
  out
• 54:12
  a
• 54:12
  couple
• 54:12
  years
• 54:12
  ago
• 54:13
  and
• 54:13
  if
• 54:13
  you
• 54:13
  haven't
• 54:14
  done
• 54:14
  so,
• 54:14
  read
• 54:14
  it.
• 54:15
  Really
• 54:15
  great
• 54:15
  book.
• 54:16
  Again,
• 54:16
  thanks
• 54:17
  for
• 54:17
  being
• 54:17
  here.
• 54:17
  I
• 54:18
  enjoyed
• 54:18
  our
• 54:18
  conversation
• 54:20
  and
• 54:21
  yeah,
• 54:22
  it
• 54:22
  was
• 54:22
  fun.
• 54:23
  All
• 54:23
  right,
• 54:23
  thanks
• 54:23
  Martin.
• 54:24
  I
• 54:24
  appreciate
• 54:24
  it.
• 54:26
  Al
• 54:26
  Rosen's
• 54:27
  career
• 54:27
  may
• 54:28
  not
• 54:28
  have
• 54:28
  lasted
• 54:29
  as
• 54:29
  long
• 54:29
  as
• 54:29
  some
• 54:29
  of
• 54:29
  the
• 54:30
  other
• 54:30
  great
• 54:30
  players
• 54:30
  from
• 54:31
  his
• 54:31
  era,
• 54:32
  but
• 54:32
  at
• 54:32
  his
• 54:33
  peak
• 54:33
  he
• 54:33
  was
• 54:34
  one
• 54:34
  of
• 54:34
  the
• 54:34
  very
• 54:35
  best
• 54:35
  in
• 54:35
  the
• 54:36
  game.
• 54:36
  A
• 54:37
  four
• 54:37
  time
• 54:37
  All
• 54:37
  Star
• 54:38
  and
• 54:38
  the
• 54:38
  American
• 54:39
  League
• 54:39
  MVP.
• 54:40
  In
• 54:40
  1953
• 54:42
  he
• 54:42
  hit
• 54:42
  285
• 54:43
  for
• 54:43
  his
• 54:44
  career
• 54:44
  with
• 54:44
  192
• 54:46
  home
• 54:46
  runs
• 54:46
  and
• 54:47
  he
• 54:47
  knocked
• 54:47
  in
• 54:48
  717.
• 54:50
  He
• 54:50
  was
• 54:50
  a
• 54:51
  key
• 54:51
  part
• 54:51
  of
• 54:51
  some
• 54:52
  outstanding
• 54:53
  Cleveland
• 54:53
  Indians
• 54:54
  teams
• 54:54
  and
• 54:55
  later
• 54:55
  went
• 54:55
  on
• 54:55
  to
• 54:56
  make
• 54:56
  a
• 54:56
  significant
• 54:57
  impact
• 54:57
  as
• 54:57
  an
• 54:58
  executive
• 54:59
  in
• 54:59
  Major
• 54:59
  League
• 55:00
  Baseball.
• 55:01
  But
• 55:01
  beyond
• 55:01
  the
• 55:02
  numbers,
• 55:02
  Rosen's
• 55:03
  story
• 55:03
  is
• 55:04
  one
• 55:04
  of
• 55:04
  toughness,
• 55:05
  identity
• 55:06
  and
• 55:07
  a
• 55:07
  player
• 55:07
  who
• 55:07
  never
• 55:08
  backed
• 55:08
  down
• 55:09
  both
• 55:09
  on
• 55:10
  and
• 55:10
  off
• 55:10
  the
• 55:11
  field.
• 55:12
  Thanks
• 55:12
  again
• 55:13
  to
• 55:13
  my
• 55:13
  guest
• 55:13
  today,
• 55:13
  Joseph
• 55:14
  Wancho,
• 55:14
  and
• 55:15
  thanks
• 55:15
  to
• 55:15
  all
• 55:15
  of
• 55:15
  you
• 55:16
  for
• 55:16
  tuning
• 55:16
  in.
• 55:16
  And
• 55:17
  I'll
• 55:17
  see
• 55:17
  you
• 55:17
  next
• 55:18
  time
• 55:18
  on
• 55:18
  Sports
• 55:19
  Forgotten.
• 55:20
  Heroes.