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111: The Meaning of Life...Now Only 9.99 · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: I am Brian.
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  Speaker 4: I am Greg.
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  Speaker 5: And this week we've had many things going on. Weird
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  Speaker 5: scheduling issues. So we decided to put together a simple
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  Speaker 5: episode that, you know, I think a few times now
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  Speaker 5: we've decided we need to do different movies that not
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  Speaker 5: necessarily everybody wants to see. And certain members of the
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  Speaker 5: crew probably wouldn't watch. So, yeah, this was one of
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  Speaker 5: those times I was like, you know what, let's go
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  Speaker 5: with one of these.
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  Speaker 6: So....
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this week we're going to do a more condensed version,
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  Speaker 5: mostly focusing on the movie.
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  Speaker 1: But we can still try to do a.
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  Speaker 5: I've decided we need two variations of our geek activities.
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  Speaker 5: The controlled geek activities and the out-of-control geek activities. And
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  Speaker 5: this week we'll try to do a controlled version. As
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  Speaker 5: for mine, just this past weekend I watched Red.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Have you seen Red? I've not seen it,
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  Speaker 1: but I've been wanting to see it.
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  Speaker 5: It's, yeah, it's another one of those I'm putting, which
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  Speaker 5: is an ever-growing category of bad trailers. Just that trailer
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  Speaker 5: kind of made it look dumb. You know, it focused
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  Speaker 5: on all the silly, Malkovich, goofy, running around stuff, and
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  Speaker 5: that's in there, but that's.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty minor compared to the other stuff going on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because it seemed like Airplane from the commercial. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not at all. I mean, it comes off like
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  Speaker 1: a I mean, definitely it's.
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  Speaker 5: Got a comedic edge to it, but I wouldn't even
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  Speaker 5: call it a full-out comedy. I mean, it's mostly... I mean,
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  Speaker 5: everything that has Bruce as the lead starts to... Especially
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  Speaker 5: when it's not super serious. He takes a little license
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  Speaker 5: to be funny, because that's his nature.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it definitely is more of a spy.
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  Speaker 3: You.
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  Speaker 5: Know, it's dealing with the CIA, and then the FBI,
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  Speaker 5: and then all these government cover-ups.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely.
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  Speaker 5: more rooted in that part of the plot and dealing
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  Speaker 5: with these, you know, agents coming out of retirement and
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  Speaker 5: not near as much of the comedy that they work
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  Speaker 5: into that trailer. So once again, misleading trailer. So I
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  Speaker 5: ended up liking it. I, it's not amazing. It's kind
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  Speaker 5: of what you expect. I mean, if, if the trailer
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  Speaker 5: didn't sell it badly, I think if you watch the
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  Speaker 5: trailer and you liked it, it's what you expect out
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  Speaker 5: of it. It's, All the characters are pretty likable. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: the thing is, Malkovich is actually really good in it,
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  Speaker 5: at doing that thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but again, it's a little more reserved.
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  Speaker 5: He's kind of out of his mind, but he plays
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  Speaker 5: it relatively normal a lot of the time.
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  Speaker 1: It's just funny that he's as crazy as he is. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, who doesn't like Bruce? You gotta like Bruce.
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  Speaker 1: Who doesn't like Morgan Freeman? I mean, you go into
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  Speaker 1: all these people, and you're just like, you kind of
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  Speaker 1: have to like this cast. Oh, and Helen Mirren, you know...
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  Speaker 1: for a woman her age I don't mind looking at her.
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  Speaker 7: I'd hit that anyway she's pretty yeah she's pretty entertaining
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  Speaker 7: too so right everybody they bring in what's the weeds
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  Speaker 7: girl Mary Louise Parker yeah.
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  Speaker 5: She's again they hardly even show her in the trailer
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  Speaker 5: she's like half the movie I mean she's she comes
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  Speaker 5: into it with Bruce and then is there with them
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  Speaker 5: the entire time which they really don't make use of
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  Speaker 5: her I guess because she's not the novelty of old
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  Speaker 5: person coming out of retirement but right she's in it
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  Speaker 5: the whole movie and she's pretty entertaining too if i
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  Speaker 5: knew she was in it would probably sell it better
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  Speaker 5: yeah i think again they were marketing so heavily on
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  Speaker 5: the older crowd that it's like i mean she's got
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  Speaker 5: a huge fan base on you know from her show
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  Speaker 5: now so i they really once again should have kind
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  Speaker 5: of made sure you knew she was in there a
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  Speaker 5: little more because i think more people that weren't 60
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  Speaker 5: would have gone to see this movie if they would
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  Speaker 5: have known a little more of what it actually was but.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of the point of an ensemble cast is to
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  Speaker 1: bring a lot of groups together and more people in
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  Speaker 1: the theater and when you cut out a major actor
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  Speaker 1: what's the point of an ensemble cast.
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  Speaker 5: And the whole age range because i mean she's really
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  Speaker 5: the only person under you know i guess bruce is
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  Speaker 5: the next youngest person in the cast so Yeah, if
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  Speaker 5: they want to at least bring in a whole new
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  Speaker 5: demographic of slightly younger, at least the.
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  Speaker 1: 30-somethings, you know, go for that one.
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  Speaker 5: But, again, that may be why it didn't do killer
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  Speaker 5: at the box office.
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  Speaker 1: It did okay.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure it made its money back, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: a big blockbuster hit, and that may be why. It
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  Speaker 5: may be bad marketing and them not marketing.
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  Speaker 1: To the right people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Again, it's not amazing.
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  Speaker 5: It's not anything more than you would expect it to be.
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  Speaker 5: It's a fun movie dealing with, you know, crazy agents
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  Speaker 5: and government cover-ups and stuff. But I ended up having
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  Speaker 5: more fun with it than I kind of expected from that.
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  Speaker 1: Did you check it out? Yeah, it's definitely worth watching,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you like Bruce. I mean, it's still a
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  Speaker 1: Bruce action movie. And, you know, you do get to
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  Speaker 1: see some awesome ass-kicking fights on occasion. Good. There's a
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  Speaker 1: few that, yeah, they come... Early on, no big spoiler,
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  Speaker 1: but they come into his house.
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  Speaker 5: It's like agents come in to attack him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He deals with them very nicely, by the way. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: the other one, uh, Carl Urban is the, I guess
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  Speaker 1: bad guy, but you know, that becomes questionable cause he's
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  Speaker 1: the one working for the government. So it, it sort
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  Speaker 1: of reverses some of the roles, but, um, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: sort of their, their nemesis through most of this. And, uh, he's,
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  Speaker 1: he's awesome in it.
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  Speaker 5: Like he really, it's one of those, it's, I've, I've
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  Speaker 5: only seen him hit and miss over the years and
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  Speaker 5: different roles and, You can't really count him when he's,
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  Speaker 5: you know, doing the McCoy part. So seeing him, like,
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  Speaker 5: do a normal role, he's definitely got, you know, pretty
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  Speaker 5: impressive on-screen, you know, presence. So I definitely am looking
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  Speaker 5: forward to seeing him in other stuff in the future.
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  Speaker 5: And they do have an awesome fight between him and
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  Speaker 5: Bruce Willis.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds good. So, yeah, that one's pretty damn impressive, too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds less of the AARP fest that I saw...
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  Speaker 1: In the trailers. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: They were really marketing the gimmick of that. And, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it's based on a comic book, for God's sakes. And
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  Speaker 5: that's the other thing I want to give credit to is, like,
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  Speaker 5: the editing and the directing is really, like, impressive and, like,
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  Speaker 5: kind of fast-paced and fun. And, you know, it really
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  Speaker 5: does almost keep that comic book vibe, which, again, totally
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  Speaker 5: goes against.
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  Speaker 1: The retirement home crowd that we're dealing with here. So it's,
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: you know, edging more towards like a, a Scott Pilgrim
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  Speaker 5: kind of thing where it's like crazy visuals as they
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  Speaker 5: shift from one thing to the next. And like the
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  Speaker 5: really like pretty fast editing at different points. So it's like, again,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't fit the way that they sold it. That's
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  Speaker 5: not really to their advantage, but again, it's, it's worth watching.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was my, uh, big viewing of the weekend. Uh, me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go, I can bring up a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things, but I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: mention one thing that is definitely geeky. I rewatched a
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  Speaker 1: movie that I've seen probably 40 times, Cloak and Dagger. Wow.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a long time for me. Yeah. It's
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  Speaker 1: been quite a long time for me. And I had
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  Speaker 1: it on VHS that I taped off of Showtime. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't buy it. And a couple of things that stick
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  Speaker 1: out in my mind, it is, when you talk about pacing,
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  Speaker 1: it is extremely quick pace. I mean, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: have the introduction with Dabney Coleman as Jack Black or
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  Speaker 1: Jack Flack or whatever his name is. And he takes
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  Speaker 1: down all the spies and Russians and everything in the
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  Speaker 1: beginning with the little role-playing segment. And I'd forgotten about
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  Speaker 1: the 12-sided die rolling at him. Wow. Which was awesome,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But, you know, they're in the little game
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  Speaker 1: shop as kids. And then Bam. I mean, straight away
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  Speaker 1: he gives them their thing. They see a guy at
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  Speaker 1: the building with a gun, and it's just one scene
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  Speaker 1: right after another. There's no time to dwell on a scene.
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  Speaker 1: You just basically are straight into a full action movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I assumed at the time it was a kid's movie,
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  Speaker 1: and it is not a kid's movie at all. People
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  Speaker 1: getting shot, people getting tortured.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's a lot of, you know, we go back and
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  Speaker 5: look at the, especially the movies of the 80s that
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  Speaker 5: were deemed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay for kids. And they are not at all okay.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the themes in this movie, you know, just,
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  Speaker 1: and it's, you know, if you look at it as
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  Speaker 1: not a kid's movie and not that the main character
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  Speaker 1: is a kid and, you know, the guy helping him
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  Speaker 1: is pretend. All of that aside, it's a pretty good spy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, type. They do a good job of it,
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  Speaker 1: and and it it it holds up you know which
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  Speaker 1: which was really you know you think of it as
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  Speaker 1: maybe a throwaway movie and it really held up i
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  Speaker 1: was entertained even though i knew everything that was going
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  Speaker 1: on i was uh definitely entertained by the movie um
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  Speaker 1: interesting yeah uh try to think if.
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  Speaker 5: There's anything that else that struck me as as an
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  Speaker 5: adult um Well, it's funny you mentioned the right into it.
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  Speaker 5: That is, it's funny, I mean, I guess they go together,
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  Speaker 5: both being sort of spy movies, but just editing-wise, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: that's exactly what Red did, and more so than, again,
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  Speaker 5: than I expected. Like, it would, it becomes this, like,
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  Speaker 5: all over the country, like, it just, as soon as
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  Speaker 5: the action takes place, it's just, bam, they're in a car,
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  Speaker 5: and they're driving, and it's the city, and then, bam,
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  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, they're halfway across the country, and
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  Speaker 5: they're like, So yeah, there really isn't any downtime in.
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  Speaker 1: That one either. So it's, yeah, this is an interesting tie-in,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, they did tie in very well. I just, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was just impressed with, that was the thing that
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  Speaker 1: stuck out with me the most is they don't give,
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  Speaker 1: it's the transitions that they don't dwell on like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of movies do. They don't hold a, a shot
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit longer to transition into the next. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's a cut straight to the next one. Yeah. So it's, it's,
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  Speaker 1: and another thing I noticed from it is I want
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  Speaker 1: to go visit San Antonio. It seems like a pretty
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  Speaker 1: cool place. Awesome. So, um, I guess I'm sure it's
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  Speaker 1: changed in 20 years. Well, probably, I'm going to ask,
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  Speaker 1: and only because I've, it's a very specific thing and
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  Speaker 1: probably one of the harder cells for me to go
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  Speaker 1: back and watch it. How is Dabney Coleman to watch now?
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  Speaker 1: Because he was... I mean, he was ridiculously popular at
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  Speaker 1: that point. I tell you what, you know, the dad
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  Speaker 1: character is kind of your typical dad. He could play anybody.
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  Speaker 1: But actually seeing the difference... You know, obviously because he's
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  Speaker 1: seeing his dad, the character through his dad. They're played
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  Speaker 1: by the same person. At the beginning, they're polar opposites
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  Speaker 1: of each other. You know, they've got their... You know,
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  Speaker 1: the character has... all of these, you know, grandiose sayings and, and,
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  Speaker 1: and actions and things that, you know, that dad would
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  Speaker 1: never do that. And you can see that he's definitely, um,
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  Speaker 1: doing a good job of playing two roles. And, but
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  Speaker 1: as the movie goes on, those lines are blurred, you know, and,
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  Speaker 1: and okay, it's Dabney Coleman. Um, Gosh, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to put it. It's a pretty good job. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't distracted by him. I wasn't thrown off and go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is cheesy. I think he did a pretty good job.
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  Speaker 1: He's really likable in a lot of stuff at that time.
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  Speaker 5: But he also plays that specific character almost every time.
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  Speaker 5: He varies it minorly depending on whatever his profession is
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  Speaker 5: in each movie. But he's pretty much in the same
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  Speaker 5: little wheelhouse there.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of fun. I'm not saying he has range.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's one of those, he's almost always in comedies,
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  Speaker 5: where this one has still got a little comedy to it,
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  Speaker 5: but you're kind of supposed to take him serious. I'm
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  Speaker 5: trying to think of times that I've watched him and stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and he had to be serious, and the movie was
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  Speaker 5: entirely serious.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the dad is definitely serious, and he does an
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  Speaker 1: okay job with that, but Jack is that... quirky, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one-liner delivery kind of guy. Yeah. And, you know, plays
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  Speaker 1: the role through a kid's eye. Not what a... Not
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  Speaker 1: what an adult would do as a spy, but what
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  Speaker 1: a kid would think a spy would do as an adult.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm sure that's not, I'm not an actor, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that's not easy to pull off. But again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying Dabney Coleman had range at the time either.
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  Speaker 1: So it's, I'll put it this way. Bottom line, it's
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  Speaker 1: entertaining even for somebody my age now, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: I knew everything that was going to happen. I knew
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  Speaker 1: the lady with the fingers was, you know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to spoil anything. Gosh, my gosh. I hope you've
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  Speaker 1: seen Cloak and Dagger by now.
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  Speaker 5: Let me ask you this. Now, having kids, is it
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  Speaker 5: something that would play for kids? I mean, would it
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  Speaker 5: work for this generation of kids coming up now?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I would think it would be a PG-13
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  Speaker 1: for sure now. You know, you see a guy fall
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  Speaker 1: down the stairs dying on the kid. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: assassinated right in front of him. You know, it's way
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  Speaker 1: too big of themes. for children. It would not be
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  Speaker 1: a PG movie. I wouldn't let my kids watch it
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  Speaker 1: probably until they were 12. Kind of, but I think
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  Speaker 1: about stuff that they put on regular television now versus
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  Speaker 1: what they used to in the 80s.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, if kids are staying up late
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  Speaker 5: enough to see any procedural show, they've probably seen horrible
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  Speaker 5: things on it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, again, my children don't stay up, they don't watch
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  Speaker 1: any shows past 9 o'clock, so they're not, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the oldest is 7, but I don't know. I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have been... Looking back on it, I shouldn't have been
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  Speaker 1: watching it repeatedly at that... I mean, I knew... He
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  Speaker 1: goes into... The bad guy... One of the bad guys
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  Speaker 1: go into... detailed description of what would happen to him
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  Speaker 1: when he shot his kneecaps off. And, oh, it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to kill you, but it's going to be the
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  Speaker 1: worst pain you've ever felt. That's a good thing for
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  Speaker 1: any kid to know, though, really. Right, right. I've used
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  Speaker 1: that many times growing up. So, you know, again, but
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  Speaker 1: it's around this time that I was seeing and watching
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  Speaker 1: Red Dawn repeatedly, too. That's not something a kid my
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  Speaker 1: age would do. We were a very violent, militant generation
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  Speaker 1: of children. What do you want? I mean, I saw...
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  Speaker 1: I had Commando taped, and I would re-watch that, and
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  Speaker 1: that's probably got more death for any movie ever. That's
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  Speaker 1: plenty R. So, and by God, a guy dying through a,
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  Speaker 1: what was it, a steam tube that goes through him? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty violent stuff. But I watched it for Alyssa Milano, so. Well, sure.
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  Speaker 1: You know. As any kid would at that point. Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So does that round out your geek week? I guess so.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I played a lot of Final Fantasy XII.
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  Speaker 1: I've played that game so many times. Well, no, not
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  Speaker 1: so many times. Just so much quantity. And I restarted
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  Speaker 1: it about a week ago. And I, you know, stay
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  Speaker 1: up late while everyone else is asleep and play it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm really pitiful. So we'll move on. That's pretty geeky. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: this week's all about being happy. Are there any happy
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  Speaker 1: songs you can think of? Happy songs. R.E.M.? Not that one.
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  Speaker 1: That's too happy? Not that one. Do they have any
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  Speaker 1: other ones? That one's a little... That's a little too happy?
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  Speaker 1: It's a little too... As much as I like them,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to smack them all on that song.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? In the past four or five albums,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to smack them all too. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, they've sort of lost their way.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I was trying to think of their city. Or I
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  Speaker 5: was going to say, do we want to do songs
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  Speaker 5: that just make us happy? Do you have a song
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  Speaker 5: that just makes you happy?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I'm pressure on me to think of something.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in a sad, sick way, Tom Waits always
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: makes me happy and he shouldn't. I can't argue with that.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll take a break and go out with some
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Tom Waits and come back with this week's movie. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know I've been changing. Oh, I've been changing. No,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I've been changed.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Angels in heaven don't sign my name. Angels in heaven
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: don't sign my name. Well, I don't know how I
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: got religion.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Lord, Lord, I'm not ashamed.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: With the Holy Ghost as my witness. And the angels
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: don't sound my name. Oh, I say I know I've
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: been changed.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've been changed.
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  Speaker 2: Popcorn freshly popped and buttered.
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  Speaker 6: Look good?
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Sure, it looks good and it tastes even better.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Get some now. It started as a game.
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: Now they are playing for keeps.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Trying to kill us.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: And the only person who believes in it is a
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: legendary agent named Flack. And Dagger, rated PG.
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  Speaker 9: Starts Friday at select theatres.
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  Speaker 1: Check newspapers for locations.
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  Speaker 10: Have you ever wondered what's the meaning of life?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Why do we exist?
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  Speaker 10: The answer to this vexing question is now within your reach.
• 19:24
  Speaker 10: you'll find it in a small, amazing booklet, which will
• 19:27
  Speaker 10: explain in easy-to-follow, simple terms your reason for being. The booklet,
• 19:33
  Speaker 10: printed on the finest paper, contains illuminating, exquisite colour pictures
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  Speaker 10: and can be yours for a mere $ 9.
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  Speaker 6: 99.
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  Speaker 10: I love the movies.
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: Welcome to the biggest movie event of the year.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to have a great night, ladies and gentlemen.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: And the Oscar goes to.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And the Oscar goes to... Thank you so much.
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: Ladies and gentlemen, prepare yourselves.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: It's time for the third annual Movie Meltdown Oscar Mayer Party.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: With all the glitz, glamour, poor products, and.
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: Vicious commentary you've come to know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And love, the Academy Awards will never be the same.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Bacon tastes good.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Paul Chaps tastes good.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: Coming soon to this feed. Don't miss it. Oscar Meltdown 3D.
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: It's gonna be artery clockin' good.
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  Speaker 2: This is J.T. Petty and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have cake, dog, painting, hosting.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for Sofa Theatre.
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  Speaker 3: Hello.
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  Speaker 9: Good evening. I'm calling for quick poll surveys. Do you
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: have the time to answer a few questions for me?
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: What is your current job?
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: I'm unemployed at the moment.
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: How would you define your current mood? Excellent, good, neutral,
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: bad or awful?
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I guess I'm okay. Okay.
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: So I'm putting down good. Is there a job you
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: would prefer to your current job?
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I'm unemployed.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry. What job would you like to have?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I wanted to work as a phone surveyor.
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: I said I was sorry. No need to be sarcastic. No, really.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 4: I had a job interview a couple of days ago,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: but they said I wasn't qualified.
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: Trust me, you wouldn't want this job.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: But why? I really like talking on the phone with people,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: asking them all sorts of questions. What's your name?
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: Camille.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Hi Camille, I'm Dave. Camille, can I ask you some
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: more questions? Have you ever wondered about the meaning of life?
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: You're funny.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, seriously.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I discovered it in a book. It's very simple. It
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: all began with the very first molecule.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: Listen, I would love to hear it. But if my
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: supervisor catches me having a personal call, I'll get into trouble.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Ah, but it's far from being personal. It applies to everyone.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: I guess. But I'm not sure she'll be able to
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: make the distinction. It was nice talking to you.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Bye.
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: A difference It takes a little to change Let's start
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: today for a new tomorrow Don't look back I won't.
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  Speaker 7: Look back now Hey, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Gonna find a new beginning Lay.
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  Speaker 2: Lay.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to Movie Meltdown Sofa Theater. This week's sofa
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: theater feature is... Again, it depends on who you go by.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I would look at it and say $ 9.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: 99.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Or if I were going to get super technical, $ 9.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: 99. Right.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: The director refers to it as $ 9.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: 99.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Very Australian. The third way that I would never actually say.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So $ 9.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: 99 is how the.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Director refers to it. The year is 2008. The director
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: is Tatia Rosenthal. The plot, according to IMDb....
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: A stop-motion animated story about people living in a Sydney
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: apartment complex looking for meaning in their lives.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And a giant spoiler alert, because, again, this is all
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: very weird and convoluted at times, so we're going to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: have to go into the entire plot to make any sense,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: what little sense we can of any of it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, actually, if you're listening to it within a
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: decent amount of time from when we record.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: This, it's on the Netflix Instant Watch right now, so... stop,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: go watch it, and come back. Usually the animated movies,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: they don't leave on for very long. Yeah, so. The
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: adult animated movies. Not that adult. Not that adult. But
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: slightly adult, so. Mature is the wrong word to use, too. No, no. R-rated?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But that still kind of sounds a little too. Non-children's?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: There you go. Non-children animated. I'm still pushing it. Yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: It's for grown-ups. Yeah, animation for grown-ups. It's like Adult Swim,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: all right? Yeah, there you go. So, spoiler alert, go
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: watch it. Yeah. Alright, that having been said, where would
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you like to begin? Well, um, Mr. Ripper's going to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: spoil it. I guess you start with the first scene.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I have to say, that is one of the most
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: interesting and, um... off-putting openings to a movie.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: I've seen some that are equally as odd and kind of, yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: just catch you off guard.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: You could sit and have a full conversation about that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: one scene. Yeah. And really, it almost works on its own.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Like, that's one you could take and just make a
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: short film of that first five minutes or whatever it
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: is until the credits start.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And it's pretty damn impressive on its own. Yeah. Just
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: in the animation, too.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Definitely. But I guess we'll get into the animation later, right?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: However you want to do it. We're going to start
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: with the technical stuff and then work to the story.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: We can get to the story. That's what people come for, right?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Not necessarily in this movie, but we'll see.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I guess you would say the story is making you
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: ask questions about the meaning of life. Kind of. When
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: one of the characters buys a book. about, and it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: costs $ 9. 99 about the meaning of life, then that's the,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I guess, that's the shove it in your face story.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. This movie is
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: not subtle at all. No. I mean, when you inject
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: your story with actual angels with wings and a book
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that says the meaning of life on the cover of it,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's very heavy-handed with the ideas that they're
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: placing already. Right.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: You know, where they go from there, I mean, it's
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: not necessarily a bad thing. You just have to know
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: that going in, that it's, you know, very quickly going
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: to be kind of heavy-handed with its messages and the themes.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: That they're throwing at you. So, you know, they don't
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: disguise them in any way.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It definitely seems like it's several different people. Like they say,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: an apartment complex, it's several different people. Loosely interacting over
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the course of a few days or whatever you want
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to consider it. And how, I guess, how their interactions
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and what they're searching out for are affecting their search
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: for meaning, I suppose. They're not overtly looking for meaning
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: in their lives. Well, one of them.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: One of them.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: The one who orders the book. Right, right. But other
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: than that, everyone at least has to ask some of
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: those questions along the way. Yeah. One thing that... I'll
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: let the listeners know. I wrote notes in preparation for this.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I don't have those with me, so I'm probably going
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to jump all over the place. But one thing that,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: one theme that kept coming up in my mind with
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the story was the idea of loneliness. There's a lot
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: of people in the story that are dealing with, well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: poor communication and loneliness. Definitely. Um, you know, the father
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of the kid that buys the book, the boy himself,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: there's an old man in the apartment, there's always an
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: old man in every apartment complex, but there's, and there's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: two of them actually, there's the magician and the old
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: retired fellow. Yeah. There's a woman who is pregnant, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend, and they may or may not be
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: getting engaged, and they're not communicating with each other well,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and they're both lonely and wanting the other person to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: be back with them, and it just seems like And
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of stories, that's the motivation for the problem
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: is poor communication. But a lot of this is how
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you deal with that. One thing that sticks out in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: my mind, the old man, he's a widower and in
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: his apartment alone and a telemarketer calls to ask questions.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Not marketing, but a survey. And he's just interested in
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: her voice. He isn't even part of the story. The
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: survey that they're doing, but he just wants to keep talking. Yeah.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: He just wants someone to talk to. He spends the whole,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: especially the first half of the movie, just trying to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: get somebody to listen to him. He just sits by
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: himself all day.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: So anytime he comes in contact with somebody, he just
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: wants to talk to them and have some sort of connection.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: And most of the time, they don't want anything to
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: do with him. but right yeah I think I mean
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: if even if not loneliness which that definitely is a
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: big part of it but I think the overall like
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: arc of everything is relationships like it really and that
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: is part of it but I think it's everybody that
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: is in this building and comes into play and the
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: storyline is dealing with some sort of situation with a
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: relationship or how they relate with other people. It, it,
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: to me, it's all very tied into dealing with other
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: people in general.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Um, I don't know.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: We can go into those specific dynamics of each, you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: people going on. Um, I mean, I guess the main,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: if there is a sort of main.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Character, probably the father of the rush, there's only like.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Two recognizable names as far as, um, you know, Americans
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: are concerned. A lot of it is voice actors in Sydney.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I think, uh, the, the father, the, his name is, uh, Jim, Jim,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Jim is the father. And that's Anthony Paglia.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Most people, you know, have seen him probably a lot
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: of stuff. Uh, the only other one is the homeless
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: man who takes on a whole different role, I guess,
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: as time goes on, uh, as Jeffrey Rush. So, I mean,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: those are kind of your big names is, is as
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Americans go, I'm sure the other people might be recognizable
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: in Australia, but yeah. looking through them I didn't really
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: notice in him so that was I guess their big
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: one so I guess the other main character I mean
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: you get a lot with Jeffrey Rush too but he
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: doesn't really tie into it in any right he does
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: we'll get to him later he's only really in a
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: few scenes as well yeah so yeah I think and
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: it's sort of like the whole thing sort of begins
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: and ends with the dad character so I think he
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: becomes more of the you know if you have focus
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: of something that kind of Scatters itself around as much
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: as this one does.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's, yeah, the Jim Peck is his name. He's the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: dad of two of the other kids. You know, his
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: grown sons are also the other characters that come into play, too. Morning.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Great cake.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry about yesterday.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's not your fault. Maybe you were right.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: You know, when I was in the army, my lieutenant
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: used to say, There's no such thing as a bad soldier.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Only a bad commander.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I guess the same goes for fathers.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: And husbands.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, Dad.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: He, like, from the beginning, which, again, we've already thrown
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: out the spoiler alert, but within the first scene that
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: we were talking about earlier, he witnesses someone die. And
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: from that point, kind of begins to reassess his life.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: And specifically his role as a father to these two
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: boys that aren't really on the path that he probably
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: would have wanted them to be on at this point.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, one of them is unemployed, sits at
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: home all day. The other one is repossessing people's furniture. Right.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And basically a thug. Yeah. So neither of them are
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: probably where he wants them to be. Do we know
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: what he does?
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's in a suit. He's a businessman of
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: some sort. He mentions something about, in the field I
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: work in, it's about... manipulation, but he never really... I
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: don't think he ever really talks about exactly what he does.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: But he's in a suit most of the movies. I mean, he's,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess by most people's terms successful, but...
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: At best, he's middle class.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: He's still probably questioning some of his choices as a
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: person anyway, even in his own life.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: He even mentions, if I were 20 years younger, I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: would join you and your brother to repossess people's stuff.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: If you're a successful businessman, that's a great life to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: take people's things. He definitely has some things that he's
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: working through, some problems. His wife, Has left him for
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: someone else. That's a big concern.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's mostly, you know, the fatherhood dealing with
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: what his sons have become and the relationship.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Which, again, his relationship is one that's gone.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: But it bothers him a lot because he continually comes
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: back to, well, you know, when your mother left or
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: raising you boys by myself. Or, like, it continually comes
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: around as still.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: sort of a sore spot. And I think it's been
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a long time.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, the fact that he mentions raising you by myself,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: it's not like she's just left.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: They're, they're easily in their twenties. So it's like, not
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: like it's been six months ago. It's like, this has.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Been years and years and it still comes up on
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a daily basis. So it's, it's definitely something he's still
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: trying to work through. So, right. He's, he's got a
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: lot of issues there. He definitely doesn't listen to anyone about,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: He is definitely concerned about himself. Um, his sons, um,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: they express their wants or the things they're interested in,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you know, like this, his son and cooking, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: obviously he's a huge role in his life and he
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: keeps telling him, you need to go out and make
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: something of yourself and do something. And the logical conclusion is, Hey,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: go be a chef. Never even so much as mentions that. Um, And,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if we're talking just about his relationship,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think by the end of it is when he
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: finally breaks down and gives in and listens to his
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: son is the first time he seems to enjoy anything.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Or even evolves as a character. Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's, I guess, where we can go with
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: each of these is, you know, and bring it back
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: to where they're good.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Because the whole idea of this is happiness. And they're all,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you know... what's the name of the book? The, uh,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the meaning of life, meaning of life.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: So, I mean, really it's, it's, you know, what, what
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: is the meaning of your life? And basically trying to
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: find happiness is, is what they're all sort of going through.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And I think we can, you know, look at him.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: And again, that's where I took it with him is
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: the relationships. I mean, he has no significant other relationship.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: The only people he has in his life are his sons.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: And he has spent this whole time. He, he really
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: cares about him. So it's not like he's totally selfish
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: and he's like a bad person. he's probably one of
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: the more likable people in the entire movie, but he's
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: so like blind to, you know, what they actually want.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: And he, he's very, he's not even really controlling. He just,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: he wants the best for him, but he won't really listen.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: You know, he won't let them find their way to
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: do it. He just wants to keep pushing them to
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: do better, but he doesn't, you know, find a good
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: way to go about it, which, you know, a lot
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: of fathers probably fall into that category. It's, it's hard
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: to play that game. So it, I think he, again,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: is probably one of the more likable characters in the
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: whole movie. But I think his relationship is, yeah, I mean,
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: all he has left is his sons, really. And that's
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: the only people you really see him interact with in
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: the whole movie on, you know, a real basis. And
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: in the end, I think it's him reconnecting with his son.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: It's that, you know, like you said, that he breaks
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: down that bond and actually starts to talk to him
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: like a real person. And they kind of reconnect. And
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: in that little moment there, That really is. Like, that's
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: sort of his, him finding his way to happiness.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I think it is. Yeah. You know, again, it's back
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to relationships.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: It's learning how to deal with the people in your
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: life and finding out what you need to, you know.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: The meaning of life is, you know, your family with
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people. Yeah. Do we want a
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: different character to talk about? Probably.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, trying to think, do we, I mean, the son, the, the,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Younger son is sort of tied up in that. He
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: doesn't have a whole lot separate.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: He's just there to sort of introduce the book and
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to come into play with the dad stories. He doesn't
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: really develop. Yeah. Other than I think he decides that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: he wants to be a telemarketer himself. Yeah. He likes
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: talking to people. Yeah. And it seems like he doesn't
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: have much of a solo story. It's just him always
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: reading the book and then trying to explain to other people,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you know, how this, because he's, you know, as he
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: gets into it and he's paid $ 9. 99 for this meaning
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of life.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: And he starts really kind of buying into it as,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: you know, I guess a lot of people do on
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: these like self-help books or anything that's supposed to be
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: the key to all your problems.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: He totally buys into it and goes around, you know, Dad,
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: you know, this is, you know, it says the key,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: you know, happiness is this.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Or, you know, people never lie. People never lie.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Which is the part, that's the part that I wanted
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to hear more. I know. I say, Dad, did you
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: know that people never lie? It's actually, and then he
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: gets cut off. And there's no meaning to life. There's
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: six meanings to life. And I'm like, no, keep talking
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: about what's in that book. Because it sounds like bullshit.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I'd pay ten bucks just to read this.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: It sounds like kind of a lot of fun. And
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I know I could read it because it took him
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a day to read. Not even a day. That's not
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: even a day. You're right. It's more of a large pamphlet. Yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I think... I don't know why the old man widower
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: struck me as... Maybe the character I identify the most with. Yeah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, my house is full of people. I've got
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: plenty of interactions all day. I think I should be
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the one that identifies with it. But he just... It's that...
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: You know, he apparently has the money and the ability
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to go and do whatever he wants. And he has
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the desire to go and do whatever he wants. He
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: just never has. Yeah. And I think that's something all
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of us maybe sometimes waste our lives... Thinking we're going
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: to do something and don't do. So that one... Again,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: is a big, you know, key to happiness.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like figuring out what it is that
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: you need and realizing sometimes that you're just not doing
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: what you need to do.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: He loves to travel, but he hasn't traveled. in decades
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: since his wife died. Well, okay, you've got a problem there.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I mean, sometimes it is just... And I
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: think that's what I decided with him. I mean, there's
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of other weird stuff going on in his
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: story that I guess we can get to later. But
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: in the end, when it comes to that time to
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: resolve the story, because I think his is... This is
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: a weird story because I think they don't– for as
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: much as I like his character and he has a
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: decent amount of screen time, I think they don't develop
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: him much at all. I think they don't do near
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: as much with him as some of the other people
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: that I don't even like as much but they spend
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: more time with or they at least give them some
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: sort of arc to their story where his is just
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: like the same over and over again and then like
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: one quick fix at the end.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, other than– the rooftop encounter that he has when
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: he's kind of coaxing the other person on. Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: That's an interesting one because I didn't quite see that coming.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: No.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Not from his character anyway. But it's go ahead, do it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: You know, and maybe that's the part of him, you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: because he eventually just, okay, I'm just going to go
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to go travel. And he does at
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: And I think that's part of it is that, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: it's taking the initiative to do what you want to
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: be in control of what you want. And I think
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: that is, you know, his like meaning of life kind
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: of thing is like in the end, it's not just
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: sitting there waiting to die, which is kind of what
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: he was doing. It's, you know, obviously that's not going
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: to be your happiness. You need to find some other
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: way to it. And his was just taking the initiative
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: to do whatever it was he wants to do.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And, He also has, he's the only person that really
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: has a religious background. You know, he's listening to the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: radio broadcast or radio evangelist or whatever it is. And
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you can tell that this show is a sham of
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a show anyway. Aren't the call letters for the radio
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: station G-O-D? Yeah, yeah. And he's not only listening to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: this alone in his apartment, but he's on his knees
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: listening to it. is in his apartment, almost as though
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: it's prayer. And eventually, you know, a lot about religion
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and that sort of religion is about just blind faith,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: blind belief. And again, the rooftop encounter that he has,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: because with that individual, when he meets him earlier, he
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: just opens his door, gives him everything he wants and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: lets this person walk all over him. And by the end,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: with this relationship. He's just... It's that show me that,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: prove it. Yeah. If you are, prove it. Which is
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a questioning of faith. Exactly. So, you know, there is
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: some evolution in his character, and I appreciate that. Again,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope I'm not a miserable old
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: man and lonely because I'm... Maybe that's my biggest fear.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's why I identify with him the most.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I'm already there. I'm going to go shove somebody off
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a roof.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Anyways.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's funny, though, that you mentioned the faith aspect.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: And now I'm thinking, especially in his tie-in to the story,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: up until that point, if you factor in religion, so
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: much of religion is blind faith.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It really is. And it's all about the end result.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It's like you don't worry about life. Life is just
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: you do what God tells you to make sure that
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you get to the end and the ultimate reward kind
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: of thing.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: So it's kind of that same thing of like almost
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: waiting around to die until I get to the end
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: where everything is going to be great. And we overlook
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: the fact that you're on earth for kind of a
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: long time. Regardless of where you think you're going in
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: the end, you really should find some way to be
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: happy while you're here too. So I think that it's– yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: once you brought that up, I was like there is
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: really that– waiting to get to the final destination thing
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: that you're just sitting around not accomplishing anything until you
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: get to that, where this sort of says, hey, do
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: something with your life, and that's the key to your happiness.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: That's the meaning of life. Go do something for God's sake.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: He does enjoy his ginger snaps, though, and he likes
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: to share them. Everybody in this movie likes some cookies,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. They're always passing cookies off to other people.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Cookies, yeah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: What about the other son and his interaction with the supermodel? See,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: that's my... This is the weird part of the movie.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And probably my least favorite.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: And I think it's just because I'm not invested in
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: either of those characters.
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Specifically her. She seems like a horrible person.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: I mean her– that's what I was trying to decide
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: what their take on it was because I didn't– by
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: the time I had everybody else and I had all
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: these big grand themes of what they were doing and
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: I got to them and I was like, don't be superficial.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: I mean the big thing I think it comes into
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: and I guess, again, all of these playing in with
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: relationships and how we deal with other people. With that one,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: the major theme there is about being manipulated by someone else.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: And I mean all the rest of these are sort
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: of finding your way to connect with people. But with
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: that one, I think it's also of setting boundaries of
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: like just because you want to be with someone doesn't
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: mean let them walk all over you and turn you
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: into what they want you to be.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Again, it's not subtle about any of this. It takes
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: a weird turn that– I can let you go into,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: but I think it definitely... Let's leave that one for
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: everyone to... I don't know. I kind of want to
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: know what the hell's going on in that part. Okay, well....
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: But in general, I think before we even get to
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: the weird part, I think that's the only thing you
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: can take from that.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, the rest of it is just them... She's
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: just so full of herself and, oh, I'm a supermodel.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: And to me, she's not any prettier than the teacher.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's that hot. I'm sorry. I know
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: she's clay, but I don't think she's any hotter than
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the other girl. She's hot for some clay. Yeah, whatever.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: She's no, you know. And you do get to see
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: some full frontal clay nudity in this movie. Yeah, male, female,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: take your pick. You get a whole lot of naked.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Not a whole lot, but you get specific scenes of naked.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you think about, you get a
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: lot of male if you think about.
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: How long it took them to do that? Well, no.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: How long did they sit looking at that little puppet naked?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about her other, her exes. You get
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of them. Yeah, a whole lot of them.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: But I think, I mean, before we get to the weirdness,
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I think that's really the only thing you can take
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: is looking at her and how superficial she is. And
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: she starts to kind of drag him into it as,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: you know, it's not even like she never even asked, like, oh,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: what do you love about me?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: She's like, what do you think is the most beautiful
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: thing about me? You know, it's like from, you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: everything she says is nothing but superficial, is nothing but,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: you know, surface beauty. And that's all there is to it. And,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: you know, she's the first time you see her character.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: The first thing she says is he's the he's the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: repo guy. He's there to pick up someone else's stuff.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: She's moving into the apartment complex and she walks up
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to him and she says, that's not my microwave. She's
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: so consumed with it's about me all the time. It's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: all about me, yeah. That that's not my microwave. She
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't even know who her movers are, what the truck
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: looks like, anything. Not, hi, how are you? She automatically
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: assumes it's about her and that that person's wrong.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Which is the way a good portion of society is. Right, right.
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: So again.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: And how dare they be late. So, yeah, she's a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: piece of work. So, yeah, I don't really like either
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, he starts off okay when he's in the
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: other story, but when he crosses over into her, you
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: start to not like him either because she rubs off
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: on him and then becomes completely, no pun intended, I guess, but.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Putty in her hands. So, yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I think that's the only theme
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: you can really take from that is, like I said,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: about not being totally manipulated because everything is about relationships
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: with these characters.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: That's the one.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: I mean everybody else is about connecting, about getting into
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: a relationship, about hanging on to a relationship. Theirs is
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: about don't let somebody completely screw you over in a relationship.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Right. You know, he starts out as a good character.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: He does. He's good to his brother. He's good to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: his father. He's good to the old man. And he's
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: extremely nice to the woman who's crying and obviously pregnant.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: He sees her. He says that she's pregnant and is
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: even willing to introduce her as my fiance to someone else.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: You know, he's showing that he's not just about chasing
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: a model.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: He is.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: He would be perfectly happy to accept the teacher who's
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: already pregnant and crying in the bar or wherever, the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: smoothie bar or whatever that he meets her at. And
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: so he seems like a pretty decent guy and willing
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to even help out some of the people who are
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: getting repoed. But then he starts sacrificing himself in every
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: way for his idea of perfection all along the way.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: And what is he willing to give up? To keep
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: this thing that he may not be able to keep
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: or get love back from.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and just that, you know, they bring up that, well,
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: what is there without love question? And it's like, how
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: far will you go to make someone else happy? And
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: that is love, is that total giving of yourself, but the.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Other person has to be doing that too. You know,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: it can't be a one way street because then they're
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: just screwing you over and they're just, you know, they're
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: completely controlling you and that isn't love. So yeah, he
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: definitely does that, that I will do anything for you,
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: but she has no interest in him really. She just
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: wants to, Mold him into what she wants him to be.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Literally.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Literally and creepily as it goes on. Do we want
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: to go into.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it starts with the hairless thing, which is creepy.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: But again, people have that. She likes her men hairless. Right.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And it starts with the bald and the chest. Then
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the head. Eyebrows.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so by midway into the movie, he's completely shaved.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: He's just a seal. And plucked his eyebrows. Yeah, that's
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the part where it's really like... Or eyelashes. yeah he
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: was playing along and i was just like even the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: shaving your head i'm like well you know maybe if
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: you wanted to do that anyway i might shave my
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: head for a model yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: But but when she like gets an eyelash in her
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: mouth while she's kissing him and he walked he immediately
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: stands up walks in the other room and starts plucking
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: out his eyelashes it becomes creepy at that point i'm
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: just like whoa it was weird before now it's just uncomfortably.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Creepy that's a whole lot of stubble too yeah that's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a lot to deal with do you have eyelash stubble
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: i guess you would eventually and then it gets into a.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: Weirder area yeah do you want to go into that i.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I guess i mean if you want if you really
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna stop the show and watch it and
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: then he she.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: I mean we can at least preface it by saying
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: it Everything– the majority of this movie is very normal.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Like it could almost be told with living people and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: very traditionally. And then you enter two or three little
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: areas where it becomes very– it realizes, hey, we're a
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: cartoon essentially. We're animated. We can break the rules. We
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: can do weird things. Mm-hmm.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: And we're not geared for kids, so we can do
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: creepy weird things. So there's specifically two incidences, the most
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: weird of which is this one.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She has some strange furniture in the house that
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: even the movers remarked about. And they're prominent in the rooms.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: And it's obvious that she cares about them. Well, it
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: turns out that he discovers a pamphlet... For bone removal surgery.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Not only does she like them hairless, she likes them
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: totally smooth. Totally. Like skeletal system is too much for
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: her to deal with. Totally smooth. So he actually, for love,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: or what he thinks is love, has his bones removed.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And actually... Gets to interact with, before this happens, gets
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: to interact with her former lovers or maybe even current lovers.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: You don't know. Yeah, you don't really know. It makes
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: it even weirder when the furniture starts talking to him. Yeah. And,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they start arguing about which one is less
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: manly because they, you know, because it was a painful surgery.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Which I'm sure it's very painful. I guess it would be. What,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: they take the skull out through your nose? Right, yeah,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that's what it was. They take the skull out. Yeah,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: so it's unsettling. We'll put it that way.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, weird things catch you off guard in
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: this movie because, again, because it's so traditional up until, like,
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: all the other scenes are just people interacting and having,
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, the majority of it is dialogue, you know?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: So it's all very normal dialogue. sitting around living rooms,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: talking back and forth.
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, furniture has a face
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: on it and starts talking to people and scooting around.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: It's very unnerving. Well, and that's the thing. You almost
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: forget until then. This is the most of the way
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: through the movie. The animation is well done. It's extremely
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: well done. And it is about relationships and conversations. And
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: you forget about the fact that it's... an animated movie
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and then out of nowhere you're just like smacked in
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: the face with this so um again if you listen
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: to that it's probably spoiled that revelation but that's okay
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: yeah we we warned you ahead of time we warned you.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: But i mean there wasn't much else to them that
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: was just the weird thing that happened with them but
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: again they to me didn't have that much other than
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: that That.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: May a little. Other than how much are you willing
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice for what you think is love?
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: So again, giving a little too much into a relationship.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I would say maybe that's just me, but I mean,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: she better be a damn hot. That's all I got
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: to say. Magnificently for you to get turned into a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: beanbag chair. I don't remember. Did, did one of the
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: sexual encounters occur on one of the chairs? Cause that's
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: pretty gross. I can't remember.
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think it did. I don't think it did.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: That would be really creepy. That'd be really creepy. So,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: and kind of a three way. So, yeah. Let's see.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: The father and the little boy? Yeah, I was going
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to say the kid. Yeah.
• 54:43
  Speaker 12: This is my piggy bank.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know his name yet.
• 54:47
  Speaker 12: Every time after I drink my milk, I get money
• 54:50
  Speaker 12: to put in his back. He's nothing like my other toys.
• 54:54
  Speaker 12: He's much calmer. He doesn't have batteries, and he can't
• 54:58
  Speaker 12: fill them with water. Well, he can, but it's not
• 55:03
  Speaker 12: a good idea. Dad says he's educational because this way
• 55:09
  Speaker 12: I won't grow up to be a thug. But I
• 55:12
  Speaker 12: think the coolest thing about him is his smile.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: Look, I'll show you.
• 55:17
  Speaker 12: I put 50 cents in his back and he smiles
• 55:21
  Speaker 12: like this. I put 20 cents in and look, his
• 55:28
  Speaker 12: smile is exactly the same. And now for the best part.
• 55:35
  Speaker 12: I'm putting no money in at all. And he's still smiling.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: Again, that's another one of those that they do a
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: whole lot of setting up of this situation. But in
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: the end, not near as much payoff as probably needs
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: to be there for me.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: It's definitely got a very huge message behind it. But
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I guess where do you want to
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: take it? The boy wants to buy a soccer figure.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: Think of everybody wanting at some point some kind of
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: action figure.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Some sort of toy. Excuse me, football. A kid that
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: wants a toy. That's basically all this is. And so
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: his father thinks he should learn the lesson. He's probably, what,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: eight or nine? Somewhere around there, yeah. Learn the lesson
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: of saving and not getting what he wants right away.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: He says, you know, you don't always get what you
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: want in life and you have to wait for it.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Or you have to work for it. You have to
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: earn it so that, you know, he's trying to teach him, again,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: they like the word thug. Right. So he doesn't grow
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: up and be a thug.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: And think that, you know, you get things for nothing.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: He wants him to understand that you have to earn things,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to work your way through life.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: And, you know, again, that's almost a good fathering, you know, there's...
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: There's decent relationships in there, and there's people that are trying,
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: but sometimes it goes a different way.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: And I think in that storyline, I think there's another
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: mother missing in that as well. Kind of, yeah. I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: don't know that you... They just don't mention her, I
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah. But he is... He gives his son
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: a piggy bank, the kind that you don't have the
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: plug at the bottom. Yeah, which is why they started
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: putting those in there, by the way.
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: As we find out. And he's a ceramic pig. Right.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: And a good personality on the pig. Yeah, he's got
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: a nice happy smile. And the boy is, every day
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: that he drinks his milk, he's given 50 cents or
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: something like that. And then he can save up to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: buy soccer jack. Whatever he's called. Some sort of crazy
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: ball kicking action figure. And by the end of it,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: the kid's got enough to save it up. Has saved
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: up enough to buy and then some.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: His soccer jack and... You know, he's changed from drawing
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: pictures of Soccer Jack to drawing pictures of the pig.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: And he's in love with, not in love with, but
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: it's his toy. It's the thing that he cherishes now
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't really care about. And it almost has
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: like personality at that point. Like he really does like.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: It's almost like a pet at this point. He starts
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: carrying it around. He talks to it. Takes it to
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: show and tell. Yeah, he takes it to show. I mean, it's.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: Definitely at least a toy. But again, he almost interacts
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: with it more like it's an actual creature. He really
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: does start to be attached to it. So much so
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: that once it becomes time to break it open and
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: get his money out, not only does he not want
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: the toy, he so much doesn't want that to happen
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: that he goes to.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Set him free.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Which, again, in kid logic makes sense. I don't make
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: fun of the kid.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: Again, this is one of the characters I kind of
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: like more because he's so endearing and he so cares
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: about this pig that he's willing to let it go. Again,
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: it's almost that what would you give to preserve someone else?
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: How much would you give for, quote-unquote, the love of
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: someone else? This relationship you're dealing with. With him, it's
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: him and a ceramic pig. But again, he's willing to
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: let it go for it to not be destroyed. Rather
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: than have it smashed, he'd rather go set it free
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: in the park, which just means somebody's.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Going to take it. Somebody's going to take it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: He doesn't know that but in his mind he's willing
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: to let it go to save him which again he's
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: one of the better more likable characters in.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: My mind and the boy actually has he believes i
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: think that the pig is alive. I mean, he talks
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: about it at school as though it, you know, interacts
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: with him. And so, yeah, I think he does think
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: that he's setting us free, which I'm sure is a,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: probably a perfectly healthy thing for a boy that probably
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't have his mother, you know, to, to do at
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: least he's in control of something. But, um, I'm, you know,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not an analyst that knows what's right for children, but, um, yeah, it's,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: He is one of the more likable characters. I like
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that he gives up on the sports figure. And he
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't love the money within it. He loves the actual
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: physical thing.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: That's what I think was, again, if you're going with
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: the most heavy-handed message here, it's that he learns to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: not care about the money. And his dad is trying
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: to teach him morals, and he's trying to teach him.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: You have to earn your way through life.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: But you can take that the wrong way and it
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: could become about greed and that his entire day is
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: about squirreling away these coins and stockpiling money and getting
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: things with it.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: And in the end, he starts to value the pig
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: itself more than the money that's in it. So I
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: mean his is that basic, I guess. And then I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: guess you take with it from that that giving of himself,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: willing to– give up the pig altogether to save him.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: I'd drink milk every day if I got 50 cents. Really?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Can I switch up with, like, coffee? Well, I'd pay
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: 50 cents. Yeah, no, it's... Yeah, I mean, that's a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: good relationship. I think something was trying to be said
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: when the kid meets the homeless man at one point.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: We'll call him that.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: And.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: has a slight interaction with him and then the father
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: comes up and says do you know this man why
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: were you talking to him he's a stranger get away
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: kind of thing and you know once you get to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: know the homeless man you probably wouldn't want your child
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: around him but at the same time there's that whole
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know I'd like to think that you know
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I would I look for the good in people and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't judge somebody based on the fact that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: they are homeless. So, I mean, if they sound like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Rush, I mean, maybe I don't want my kids
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: around them either, but. And this guy's just kind of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: a jerk. He's a, even after his change, he might
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: even be more of an asshole. Yeah, I think he is, actually.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: He treats everybody with zero respect.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: He's just kind of like, weird in the beginning, but
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: by the time he goes through his change, yeah, he's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: just a.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Jerk all the time. Yeah. Yeah, it's... I guess we
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: can wrap up with him.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: I think the only other people we have to hit
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: would be, like, the couple, which really, I mean, she
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: doesn't have much. She's got her few key scenes, but
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: other than that, it becomes about the guy in this
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: unhappy relationship.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: And he... His is, again, a very specific, heavy-handed message.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: And his is also the other one that enters into
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: that little fantasy element. That's the other one where you're
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: just like, oh, okay, this is going by cartoon rules,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: which is, he, basically, he's, they're in this relationship, she
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: wants to take it to the next level anyway, on
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: top of that, I guess, now pregnant, so now they
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: kind of, there's even more reason to, you know, she
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: just wants to get married and Have this family and,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: you know, move into an adult relationship.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And she just basically accuses him of being 15 forever.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, he doesn't want to grow up. He doesn't
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: want to take responsibility for anything, really.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's. willing to marry her, but she's
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: not really thrilled with the way that he puts that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: He doesn't want her to be willing. It's a responsibility.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: It's something you should want to do, and he doesn't.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: He obviously does. Well, he does.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: Care about her, and he does love her, I think.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: He just is such a child that he won't accept responsibility.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: He won't own up to the fact that, okay, I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: do love her, and to, you know, To do the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: adult thing is to commit myself to her.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I know not everybody feels that way. But, I mean,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: in this circumstance specifically, I mean, you've also gotten her
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: pregnant at this point. I think he says at one point,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: you know, when they're arguing at the beginning, it's something like, well,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: marriage is meaningless to me. Which, you know, I certainly
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: see that point. There are plenty of people I would
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: rather them not get married and just live together or
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: whatever they need to instead of... thinking that marriage was
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: the right thing.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: And there are several people I can think of that
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: they have been together longer as a couple unmarried than many,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: many people I know that get married.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: In fact, one I know of recently that was maybe
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: six months and we're already done.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, wow. And it had been together
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: for years before that, but got married six months later.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, What is it? What is it
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: about the ceremony, the vows, or just the idea of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: legally being bound with somebody? Is that enough to screw
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: up the relationship?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: Because this happens quite a lot, it seems like, anymore.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: I agree with him to the point that I don't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: think the ceremony means anything more than a ceremony. I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: think if you're committed to somebody, you are committed to somebody,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: but at the same time, This woman wants to get
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: married and if you love her, that's the giving– how
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: far are you willing to go? Well, grow up, be
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: a man and marry this woman that you care about.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: She's obviously the best thing going in his life. Definitely.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: She's a teacher. She's– in the animation world, fairly attractive,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: you'd probably think. I think she looks better in the supermodels. Right.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Has her shit together, and, you know, obviously seems like
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: she has a lot more money than he does. Not
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a lot more, but has some money.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: He's a complete slacker. You know, he has interactions with three...
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: personality offshoots of himself, I suppose. It's basically like the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: little devil on your shoulder, but he has three of them.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And no angel. He has no angel, he has three devils.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: And they just sit there going, hey, let's get wasted. Hey,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: you don't need her, you know. Drink and smoke and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: play poker and listen to... Was it the other side
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: of the movie? Yeah, at one point it was that,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: and then later, I don't even know what they put on.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: They're just like, yeah, load up some more music. Yeah,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: that's really all they're worried about is the partying. So yeah,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: they're definitely the devil on his shoulder.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: The dark side of the animals. It's something like that,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: that it's obvious that he's in an altered state. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: Again, he's one of those, I just don't like him.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: He's just, you know, I like the teacher, but she
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: hardly has a lot of screen time. So, I mean,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: you're left with him, and they spend a lot of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: time with him, and I'm just like, I don't like him.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: I really don't like these little jerks on his shoulder
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: telling him to do stupid things.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if he told him to fuck off, then it
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: might be a good character. Yeah, by the end, I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: might like him a little bit.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: But no, it kind of goes the other way, whereas
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: he just really, like, he's another one he kind of
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: follows that same, like, lesson of the old man is
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: at some point you have to take initiative in your
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: life and he never does you know he's willing to
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: sit around and get stoned and get drunk and do
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: nothing with his life and to the point of well
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: if you don't take initiative and don't do something with
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: your life and again how the relationships tie in if
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: you don't take action within your relationship you lose the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: relationship right which he does care about i mean in
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: the end He's really sad.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Like, at one point, suicidal.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: Because he has totally killed this relationship.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: And it's because he won't take initiative to do something
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: to change it, to save it. I think he pretty
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: much knows if he just makes a call, he can
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: save it. And he won't even do that. He won't
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: even do that.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: He's such a slack-ass and just won't take any responsibility
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: for anything that he's willing to just... sit on his
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: ass and watch his relationship dissolve, you know, and completely.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: We've all been there, so... I guess. I just don't
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: like this guy. No, no, no, no, no. I mean,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: obviously these characters are ratcheted up, and everybody's been that,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I know I should do this for something, and you don't,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: and you know that it's slipping, and you don't step
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: in and take action.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: But again, it'd be different if it was like.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: bad relationship if it was something slipping and it was
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: one of those well sometimes you do have to let
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: it go that happens we have all been there but
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: with that one it was like this again it's like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: he does care about her he does love her he's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: upset when she's leaving it's like what do you what
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: else do you need buddy i mean like the only
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: thing you have to do is stop being an idiot
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: and like just tell her you love her and go
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: get married but no he's he's got to be an
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: idiot and let it all slip.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Away so Yeah, I don't like this guy. What bothers
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: me about that, and this isn't just this movie. This
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: is just people in general. It's no big deal to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: have a child with someone. But, oh, God, I can't
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: get married. I can't get married. Again, that's... I'll bring
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: someone into this world, but I won't have some ceremony
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: that means nothing to me anyway. Yeah, that doesn't mean anything.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: So that never matters. sense to me.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: The end-all, be-all should be the life creation to me.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: To me. So, but hey. Yeah, whatever.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 11: May I? It's very windy in your stairwell.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I think I'm getting bronchitis again. Please come in. Can
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I get you something warm?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a 12 ounce medium rare steak with chips and salad.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: Or a tea.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I have Earl Grey, peach, chamomile. Whichever, as long as
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: it's hot.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: Are you an angel? No, I'm a giant talking pigeon.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: So I guess the only other real character left is
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: our homeless man. Which, again, we've thrown out the spoiler,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: and I mentioned it earlier. After his initial interaction, right
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: off the bat, we lose this character. And he immediately
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: turns around and comes back with wings.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: With wings. Other than that, he's not really very holy. No. Well,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: he never goes. He says he never actually went to heaven.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: He just hung around and... didn't want to go it's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: like he.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: Didn't yeah he didn't get to go to heaven he
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: got wings and a new perspective i think he's having and.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: He could give a fuck it's the real thing with
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: him and apparently angels can die as we find out
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: as we find out i don't know i guess after
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: you've died and you've been homeless and you know people
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: don't treat you well i guess you know i don't
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: know what what is the point of being nice i
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: mean maybe maybe you're not supposed to i mean i
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: don't know Um, maybe he's just treating people the way
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: he's been treated. Maybe, but he certainly is somebody I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to hang around with for real. He's another one.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: And I mean, to, to bring up again, the only
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: thing that kind of ties all these together to me
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: is the relationship thing. We have him interacting with other people.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: We definitely have a lot of time with him and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: the old man, but more than anything, much like the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: father is him and the wife, his wife has been
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: dead for years and he constantly brings her up. He's
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: carrying around a coffee mug that says World's Best Husband
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: with a crack in it, which is.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Really disturbing for some reason.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: So yeah, he's like at this point a homeless man
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: shuffling around with this cracked World's Best Husband mug, bumming
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: cigarettes off people, trying to get them to buy him coffee,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: and talking about his dead wife.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: And it's like it really– that's the only part of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: it that's kind of sad is when he brings her up,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: you can still see that's like the only piece of
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: humanity left in him.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: Before and after he's dead, really. I mean, it's like,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: that's the only time that he's kind of not a jerk.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: It's like the only time you see a little bit
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: of probably what used to be good in him. And
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: it's all tied to that relationship. It's like, that's when
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: he was happy. That's when he had his happiness. And
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: everything since then has sucked, you know? And it's like,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: everything has been downhill since then. And maybe it's that
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: same thing. Maybe it's not taking the initiative. Maybe it's
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: not making.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: The right choices. Whatever it may be, but.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: You can definitely see the relationship aspect is pretty heavy
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: in his storyline, even though they don't focus on it.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: I think it's the one thing that sort of ties
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: it to the rest of this.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: You know, every person in this movie, which most of
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: them are males, has a lost or meaningless or shitty
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: relationship with a female. Every single one of them. There's
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: no good male-female relationships in the movie at all.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: What does that say? I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: What does that say? And it's directed by a woman?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Directed by a woman, but it's written by a man.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: And what does that say about his... I mean, she
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: came in.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: To do part of the screenplay, but still, it's based
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: on his short story. So what does this say about
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: his relationships and his world that.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: He exists in? Yeah, because none of them are healthy.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, either they're healthy or they're failed.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: They're either past tense, yeah, or they're unhealthy currently.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not really any. You can't move on after,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the ones that have lost them can't
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: move on after the fact. And the ones that have
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: them are pissing them away.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Or just creepy. It's not an uplifting movie. Not really, no.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Especially with something and an angel in it. You'd expect
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: it to just be cheery and uplifting, but no. Angels
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: and dolphins. It's not. You do get some uplifting moments.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: There are. I definitely... I mean, we've kind of hit
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: all the characters. Is there any more on the angel?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's not much to him. He's just kind
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: of a jerk. Yeah, he's an ass... Yeah, I don't...
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: If there are angels, I don't want them to be
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: like that. No, not at all.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, the.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: The most good I could get out of him was
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: the dead wife story. So it's like, other than that, yeah,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: he's not really likable either.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: And he was a dick to the mean repossession guy.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: And actually did a fairly good job of insulting him. So,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: you know, but what do you do? And hates menthol cigarettes.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: He says, what? It was just like smoking a stick
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: of gum or something. That was pretty funny. What does
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: he say? What are you, a woman? Yeah, that was awesome. Like,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: what an angel. Oh, man. I think there's that old man.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: He says something about. cookie or something like that and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: he tells him to fuck off yeah yeah and i
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: do like the he's sitting around drinking coffee having his
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: cigarette everything that he's wanted he's getting warm and you
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: know everything that he wanted when he was homeless and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: eating the old man's cookies and he says he says
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: well it sure would be nice if he had donuts
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: instead of these cookies it's like what you don't like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: him no i don't like him it's a question of
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: volume He's like, do you want me to go get him? No,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: I'll go get him. Do you have five bucks? Make
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: it ten, I'll get some cigarettes.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, everything about him is just pushy and obnoxious.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: And he says, so you'll be right back then? No,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I've got errands to run. I'll be back eventually. He's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: just a jack. And I don't think he ever brings
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: the donuts back. No, I don't think so.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, as far as, again, I almost want to
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: go with the sort of overall wrap-up of the stories.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Okay. And I mean, I think that's where I have
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: more issues in it.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: We can go with, because I think the upside of this,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: and we've had a lot of issues with it, but
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: I think the upside is the animation.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Yes. We can go with that in a minute. I
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: think the downside is the story itself. I think... It doesn't...
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: It's that problem of movies that are short story collections. Yes.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: The little vignettes that it always works better when they
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: have a theme and they actually tie into something.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, so what's the point? There's got to be that.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 12: Oh.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: And I'm trying to decide if these were individual stories
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: that he then put together in this. Because it's based
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: on like a, it just says on his short stories.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: So I'm like, is this multiple stories that then he's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: tried to weave together into this one building, you know,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: where all this takes place? Because I think that's where
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: it lacks.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I think it. It has some, I mean, some of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the stuff it does okay, but there's a lot of
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: thoughts that are almost unfinished. Yeah.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: There's some stories that don't completely make a point that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: I think they set out to make.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: It's like they introduce the idea and then don't finalize it.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: You know, they don't finish up on it. Or they
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: dwell too long on something that doesn't go anywhere. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: And I think those things, I think, are what hurt
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the overall narrative. Right, right. It's got an interesting arc.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: It's got good characters along the way, but it does
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: all these other things in the middle that kind of
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: don't pay off at the end and kind of hurt.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: The overall arc of it all.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: That said, I mean, I think there's still a lot
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: of interesting stuff going on. I think there's interesting areas
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: that are explored along the way, but it kind of
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: needs maybe more explanation in some areas, maybe less in others.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's not a perfect plot. But it's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: definitely worth watching.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I want to watch things like
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: that is I enjoy good stories alongside animation. Yeah. Good animation.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: And it's hard to find something that's, again, it's hard
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: to use the word adult, but that's aimed towards adults
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: that still has a good story. I mean, there's tons
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: of stuff coming out for kids, and it seems like
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: it's actually getting dumber for kids.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: If you take out Pixar.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: Everything else that's getting made most of the time now
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: is getting dumber and dumber. They're aiming towards the younger kids.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: And then you've got the anime stuff. And that's, again,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: a very specific thing. So it's very hard to find
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: something that's animated in any sense. Clay animation, traditional hand-drawn
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: animation that's made for adults. That's about normal adult stories that...
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: is good you know it really is unusual it's like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: when you suggested i was like i was trying to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: think of other stuff that's similar and i was like
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: there's not a lot i mean it's a very small
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: group of movies that would fall into this kind of
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: category yeah the one.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: That i mentioned last time max and mary that's yeah
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: on actually that's a better movie than this i was
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: thinking the the link letter what was the one he
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: did it was the the weird computer animated uh i
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: know they did a scanner darkly after that but what
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: was the first one i'm drawing a blank Waking Life,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: there we go. Oh, yeah, yeah, Waking Life.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: So I was thinking, I mean, that's about the only thing, like,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: American that still isn't, like, you know, even Pixar is
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: sort of geared towards kids. The stories aren't, but they
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 5: still market it like it's, you know, it's okay for kids,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: it's still yeah but there's not much definitely yeah up
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: was definitely adult theme more than kids really wanted it
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: to be probably but yeah it's something we don't get
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: a lot of in this country and not that this
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: is from that's another weird thing is you know the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: beginning comes up and it's like it's this weird mesh
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: of Israel and Australia and America because both the writer
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: and director are originally from Israel. I think she moved
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: to New York and all the music is done by
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: a guy in New York.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: All of the funding, I guess, probably came from Australia.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: It's set in Australia. The voice actors are in Australia.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: So it's this weird triangle of crazy.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: And it's weird that it even makes this much sense
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: because I'm not sure how a guy who's lived, I'm
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: assuming most of his life in Israel is writing stories
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: that take place in Sydney and seem real, you know,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: and would seem legitimate to people in Sydney watching.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: But I guess it does.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, it seems like a normal apartment house to me.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: It doesn't seem that weird, but it's gotta be pretty
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: removed for him because I think he still lives in Israel.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: So it's, it's a weird mesh of cultures anyway. I
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: To me in the end, it's like there are all
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: these things that, I mean, the story with the kid, uh,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: In the end, I don't feel like it really has
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: a point. It makes that statement, but it's like we
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: almost need a final step. There almost needs to be
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: something else to finalize that story. Or we never even
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: see the dad again, so we don't see how the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: dad reacts to what he did. We don't see if
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: he ever really teaches him this lesson he set out
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: to teach him when he turned it into an entirely
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: different kind of motivation. I think, again, I said the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: old man has a lot of screen time, but I
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: don't think... they develop him enough. Like he, he just,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: it all of a sudden cuts to the end and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: he's going off on vacation and he's dancing around and
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: it's wonderful all of a sudden, but it's like.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: We never had any progression.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: It's just, The angel bitches at him a lot, and
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: then it's the end of the movie, and he goes
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: off on vacation.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Well, he does.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 12: I.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Mean, there's one action that he does, you know.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: But even then, I don't see that that's, like, a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: progression in his character. It's just a weird action, and
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: then he feels.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Bad, and then... And no one believes him. And then
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: he takes initiative and changes his life, but there's not
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: much progression to it. It's just a lot of the same,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: and then a wrap-up at the end. Yeah, if it
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: would show an epiphany that he has... not just show
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: the result of that epiphany, then maybe I guess it just, yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I think it seemed like it didn't develop him enough. Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: And basically just that whole angel plot. It's like, it's
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: the most exploited. I mean, it's the one they really
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: focus on in the trailer. He's the cover of the movie.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: It's him.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, they really make use of him as like
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: their theme. But when I think about it, I'm like,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: what does he do? Like what, what is the, Point
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: of him being there really– He doesn't evolve. He doesn't
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: evolve at all.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: It's like he has the least purpose of anyone in
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: this movie.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: And yet they really market it like it's about him
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: and like everything ties to him.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, really nothing. I mean I guess
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: the old man kind of– or the dad.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 11: The dad.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: They both interact with him enough that it sort of
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: changes their life in some way, I guess. But that's
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: done by the first scene. And does he really need
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: to be an angel from that point on?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could have had him in just that
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: amazing opening scene.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: And left him out of it. And the old man
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: still could have sat there by himself. Or could have
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: met somebody else and.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Had a conversation. It could have been another ranger. It
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: could have been. Or it could have been another character. Right.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, I don't know that it had to
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: be an angel. No.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: You didn't necessarily have to have that weird wrap-up that
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: he has with him. It could have just been him
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: sitting there talking to someone else, and he realizes that
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: he's pissing his life away, basically, and needs to change
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: things to be happy.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: That's what I think the downfall of this movie is,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: or at least the downside.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Again, I think it's worth watching. I think it's really interesting.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: It's certainly not perfect. It's got these weird plot holes
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: that I think... leave a lot of loose ends to it,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: and just don't really, I think, like I said, it
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: just hurts the overall narrative.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned earlier, you know, a short story movie,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: and this is a completely different movie, but A Christmas
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Story is, there's, I don't know, six, seven, eight different
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: stories from Gene Shepard's book, or books, different books, that
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: are crammed into that one movie. You know, the whole
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: thing with Scott Farkas, the whole thing with, The lamp,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: the whole thing with the basement and the damper. All
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: of those are separate short stories from his book. But
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: they fit into that movie so well.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, what I consider to be one of the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: most impressive movies ever. And I know at this point
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: it's become a joke. It's cliched. It's 24 hours of it.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, when you look at that movie, it's amazing.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: And it really is something that's just interwoven into one story.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: And at this point, you know.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: Those are separate stories, but if you think about trying
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: to take the leg lamp story out of a Christmas story,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: there's going to be this huge hole there. I mean,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: it really would feel... Even if you never knew it
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: was there, something about it would be missing. It would
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: be incomplete, it seems like.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Where the little orphan Annie and the decoder pin, that
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the Christmas story. No, not
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: at all. Actually, the only... The Red Rider only is
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: the only parts of that movie.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: And the.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that... I can't even remember. It might be the
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: interaction in which the dogs are several different times in
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the stories. Yeah, that doesn't have to be, no. But,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: you know, they are the modus of their first time
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: of having something different for Christmas. But it is so
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: well woven together from stories that really, I mean, it's
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the same family, but they don't, they happen in different
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: times throughout the year, you know. Yeah, I mean, the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: other versions are like the Fourth of July story, and
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: like all these other books that take place.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: And they.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: took them all and wove them into this one story
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: that's like seamless. Like it really is the way that
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: you should do something like this.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, that's what's missing from this is the big,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: you know, either having one story that they all jump
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: off of or it just doesn't make sense.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: Or having separate stories that work on their own. I mean,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: you can almost have like a Pulp Fiction thing where
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: it's like, you know what? You can watch each of
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: those individually individually. And they work on their own.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: You can watch it together and they work together where
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: this doesn't work on either end. It's like individually, they
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: don't really, most of them don't really even make sense.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: You know, they, they, some of them just stop, you know,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: other ones it's like, it still would be really unsatisfying
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: if you just watched one of these little plots, you know,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: but even when you put them all together, it still
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: isn't great.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: You know, it's, it's good. It's worth watching, but it's
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: not a, Perfect story. It's just not. One thing I
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: do know, that if we would have watched it as
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: a full group, there would be a lot of people
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: that would say, fuck this movie. Yes, I know. In fact,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: there's one in particular, I'm not going to name names,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think would even sit down and watch it. Well, okay.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Which is why I went ahead and said, you know what,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: let's do it this week.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, we're never going to get to talk about this movie. So, yeah, no, it's...
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: It's definitely worth watching. It's definitely worth watching if you
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: like animation. That's what I was going to go into. It's...
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Tatia Rosenthal is an amazing animator. Like, it's... I mean,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: that really, to me, is the selling point of this,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: is the visuals. Like, it is kind of unbelievable sometimes
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: what she does. I mean, it.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: Like you said, you forget that it's animated at times.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: And there's other times when I realize it's animated and
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: I'm still in.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Awe of how.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: this stuff is and how meticulous you must have been
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: to put all this together and the most impressive thing
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: I mean I've seen a lot of you know clay
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: animated stuff and stuff that they've done even stuff like.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: The you know like Perry does with the Tim Burton
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: projects it's like those are again meticulously done and really
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: impressive but this one the lighting even in that first
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: scene that first little opening the lighting and the shadows
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: come into play and so much more than anything else
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: I think, I mean, you really, it's rare, like in
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: the old clay animated stuff that you even notice lighting
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: at all.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: And even in the newer stuff, it's usually so technically advanced,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: you know, like you don't look at the Tim Burton
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: movies and it's like, if they need to make use
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: of it, they will. But for the most part, you
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: don't even notice it because there's almost so well lit
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: and so placed everywhere that you don't even notice lighting
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: and shadows unless it's a very specific thing that they
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: need to work in. But with this one, I mean,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: it's like, that first scene, there's a sun in the sky.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Like, you feel that there's a sun off, you know,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: to the left hand of the screen. Right.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: And you see the shadows coming down, and you see
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: people in shadows, and you see half-lit faces, and, like,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of just really complex lighting situations for something
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: that's not real.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: More than that, too, just camera angle.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: One scene, you know, in most clay animations, they're going
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: to show you one basic... side that they're shooting from
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: you know that fourth wall point this you're seeing from
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: the back you're seeing from a low angle from a
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: high angle from like i said just in the one
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: scene yeah um i remember times in the movie where
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: you're in a living room and you're seeing it from
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: one angle then it switches and you're all of a
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: sudden in the bookcase looking at the scene like the
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: detail that you have to put into that is is
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: fantastic I mean, if nothing else, even if you've made
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: it this far and you're like, I don't even think
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: I want to watch this movie. If it's still on
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: instant view, go watch that opening scene.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: Go watch at least up until the credits and be like,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: you know, if you're impressed with that.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Again, it's worth watching just for the animation alone. And
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: the detail in the painting on the faces. it's not
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: just the shape of the faces and what they're doing
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: and where the eyes are going and what movements the
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: faces make but the faces are painted and the color
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: that comes through with emotion and what's going on you
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: know I can't fathom the amount of time it took.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you got a 120-minute movie. I
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: don't have that kind of time. I just don't have it.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: It's very impressive. Some of the ones that are most
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: impressive to me are the city shots. The little close
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: room sets, I can almost understand. They do it a
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: couple times in the movie where they do this big
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: pullback shot of the city and they have all the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: lights coming on at different times and they show the
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: city light up and they show it become morning and
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: they show cars driving by and it's got this weird
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: movement to it that I'm almost like, it almost looks real.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Like there's some of those shots and I'm like, did
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: they just cut to a scene of like a city?
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, squint your eyes. You can kind of
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: think it. And then I see a car drive and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: it's doing kind of the weird clay animation movement. And
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit. No, this is a, I'm like,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: they animated all of this. It's, It's amazing to look at.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: I think she is ridiculously talented. And again, I think
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: she's the amazing part of this movie. I think she's
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: what I want to go watch. I know she's done
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: at least two other shorts. And I'm hoping they give
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: her money to do more full length features. Because if
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: she found a different writer... Because this was all based
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: on his stories. And then I think they worked together
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: to do the screenplay. But I think if she could
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: get away from his stories... And find a more... Again,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: she lives in New York. I mean, go with a
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: very traditional, like, normal story that doesn't have.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure what he was doing
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: with his characters and themes. The weird angles on... It's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: almost intentionally quirky.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: There's times when it feels like it's... Again, it's heavy-handed.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, you bring an angel into it. You bring
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: little guys talking on your shoulder. You bring moving beanbag
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: chair men. I mean, it knows that it's being weird.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: And I think, again, that's almost... A deterrent for a
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: lot of people is this feels very arthouse-y.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: This is very indie, artsy kind of like if you're
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: into this stuff, you're going to think it's genius.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: But for a lot of regular people, they would watch
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: that trailer and go, I'm not watching that.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: And I– again, half the crew here are those people
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: and I understand that and– I think, again, they would
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: be impressed with the animation, but probably would not have
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: the patience to sit and watch these stories and watch
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: these characters, which are... And invest.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, invest that much time in people that aren't really likable,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: in stories that don't necessarily go where they need to go.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: So it almost suffers from trying to be too artsy
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: at times, and again, I think a lot of that
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: is the writing. I think, you know, I think direction-wise,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: she does an amazing job, and I'd really like to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: see more of her and what she could do With
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: a different script.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. That's pretty much it.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: That's... I mean, we've probably talked about the movie longer
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: than the movie is.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: Which we usually do. I mean, in the end, I
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: think that was my thing. I mean, in trying to
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: piece it together, it's, you know, the meaning of life angle.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: And if it has anything, I mean, it doesn't give
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: you an answer. It doesn't even give you six answers,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: like the book says. The best I can come up
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: with is the relationship angle. That, you know, that interacting
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: with other people... can lead you to happiness. Um, and
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: the actions you take either keep these relationships and keep
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: it going and keep you on the path you need
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: to be, or it can totally.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: Scrub your relationship and, and kind of rob you of
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: this happiness. I mean, it, I think on the one
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: hand it's, it's showing you that you have to, you know,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: take initiative and, and like appreciate the people in your
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: life and appreciate the relationships that are there. And, When
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: you stop and appreciate those, that is the happiness. Like
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for more or less. Or you
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: could just look at the whole thing and say this
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: book was $ 9. 99 they were charging for the meaning of life.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: And the company went out of business. That's a fun
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: little angle, too. Maybe it's full of shit. Maybe the
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: whole thing's full of shit.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: There's part of that. I think the angle of it
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: is the bullshit. It's kind of them selling this nonsense.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: And everything the kid's spouting does sound like bullshit. We're like, no,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: keep talking because I want to hear this nonsense. And
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: he never really gets to give you all the details
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: of the book. But it does sound like a scam pamphlet.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: It sounds like they're selling you something And it costs $ 9.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: 99.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Just like swimming like a dolphin. I think that end
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: of it is kind of bullshit, and they're calling it
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: as that. I think the reality.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: Of it is more of the watching the whole thing unfold,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: and that's what you can take from it.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: If you stop and... And I think that's what it
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: is by the end of the movie. It's like, if
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: you want to get to the weird dolphin wrap-up, I mean,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: we get back to the father and son, and.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's reading this stupid book about, you know,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: the meaning of life this whole time and nothing happens
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: and they're not happy. He doesn't pay any attention to
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: that stupid book and actually just sits down and spends
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: time with his dad and they're swimming in the lake
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: in the end and that's the only time either of
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: them seem happy.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Happy, yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: Granted, it's weird dolphin swimming from another book that he
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: got from this company and they're leaping out of.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: The water like dolphins. Right. Again... That's the weird angle
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: of this movie. That's the artsy, look, we're going to
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: do something quirky and weird. I'm sure there's something, if
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: I had more intellect, we could probably go, oh, see,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: this is what real, no. I just figured he was
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: ripping off Douglas Adams. There you go.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: It's all so long, and thanks for all the fish.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: That's all I have to say. The real secret to
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: life is 42.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: That's right. The answer to everything. Screw this Edgar Currit
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: guy that wrote this story. Douglas Adams. Go read some
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Douglas Adams. You want to read a real story. But yeah,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: I think that's really the only thing you can take
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: from it is that thematically the only thing you really
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: get out of it for me is awesome animation. Awesome animation.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: And a very poignant first scene.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: Very poignant. Yeah, that opening scene is amazing. Yeah.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: And that is almost well written and works as its
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: own little thing. They kind of need to stop there,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: you know?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: When they cut back and he's looking at himself in
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: the mirror, that's like, wow. Yeah. That's a good.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: It's a good intro to a movie, and I wish
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: there was a better movie to follow it up with.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: If the whole movie were as good as that... As
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: good as that. This would be... It would be amazing. Yeah.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: This would be... We would be screaming at everyone. Yeah.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: In this case, no. Not so much. Again, for the animation,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: watch it. But if you've listened this long, though, you
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: need to watch it. You know going in that you're
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: going to have some issues with the story along the way.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Or at least we did. You watch it and make
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: up your mind. All right. We will take a break
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: and be back with the wrap-up of the show.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 13: These tears that water the garden of my memories i
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 13: recall to wish upon a fallen star what is being
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 13: what is this meaning contemplation of my existence metaphysics the
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 13: sickness under death our souls will never rest until they
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 13: rest in you some say that god is dead he
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 13: moves in every question aristotle took a move he moves
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 13: throughout creation with all we see the truth he moves
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 13: unknown to me to be to be perceived to live
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 13: authentically rebel against absurdity words can't communicate what i feel
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 13: inside just know you'll never hear the same song twice
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 13: construct a deconstruction of my own device i'm so limited
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 13: my ability to rhyme if i search for it all
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 13: will it kill my soul it sure wasn't murder but
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 13: this was all he wrote what's the meaning of life
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 13: what's the meaning of this there's much more to being
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 13: than to simply exist we search for the truth on
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 13: the journey perhaps you're What's the meaning of life? What's
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 13: the meaning of this? There's much more to being than
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 13: to simply exist. We search for the truth on the journey.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 13: Perhaps you'll find the truth and find that there's no
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 13: turning back. What's the meaning of life? What's the meaning
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 13: of this? There's much more to being than to simply exist.
• 1:37:09
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• 1:37:12
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• 1:37:15
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• 1:37:19
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• 1:37:22
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• 1:37:26
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  Speaker 5: It is time for the Movie Lockdown Secret Circle reveal
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we actually know... Wait, what was that? That ride
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. Yep, Roger, if you were here, you would
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  Speaker 1: be saying that. He's still M.I.A.
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  Speaker 5: So, yeah, for once, we actually know, not only, you know,
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  Speaker 5: usually I'm just throwing out a general idea because I'm
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  Speaker 5: not pinning it down, but.
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  Speaker 1: We actually know next week and the next week after that.
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  Speaker 1: So the next week, we will return to our not
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  Speaker 1: completely forgotten, but infrequently visited, the really real world, our
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  Speaker 1: series on documentaries. And we're actually going to be watching
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  Speaker 1: the ever popular these days, the quite talked about Exit
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  Speaker 1: Through the Gift Shop. It will be another caffeinated movie
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  Speaker 1: geek gathering where we will get hammered on coffee and
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  Speaker 1: discuss film and art and God knows what else by
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  Speaker 1: the time we're done. This one is more of that
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  Speaker 1: art film.
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  Speaker 5: It's definitely but that one I mean I think more
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  Speaker 5: so like today was artsy and like trying to be
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  Speaker 5: artsy and almost excluding regular people from it. I think
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  Speaker 5: what we'll find you know with next week with Exit
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  Speaker 5: Through the Gift Shop is it comes off like it's
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  Speaker 5: super artsy and it comes off like It's almost like
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  Speaker 5: just geared towards a very specific crowd. But if you
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  Speaker 5: watch it, it's way more crowd-pleasing and opens itself up
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  Speaker 5: to a lot more of a mainstream audience than I
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  Speaker 5: think even they would realize. I think a lot more
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  Speaker 5: people than would have watched a documentary about artists would
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  Speaker 5: have ever watched ended up watching this movie.
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  Speaker 1: And it may just be the Banksy angle, but... Whatever
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's an interesting character, and we get into
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  Speaker 5: several other interesting characters in this. So, I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: think it's definitely something that's opened up itself to a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot more people than it ever probably would have under
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  Speaker 1: different circumstances.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that's kind of the good end of
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  Speaker 5: something being artsy. Today, at least story-wise, it's trying a
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  Speaker 5: little too hard to be artsy.
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  Speaker 1: Almost in the wrong direction. Again, awesome animations. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: So that will be next week. The following week is
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  Speaker 1: the infamous Oscar Mayer party.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, and yeah, I mean, not only is it the
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: Oscar party, but it's going to be Oscar Meltdown 3D.
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  Speaker 1: 3D, okay. This is the, you know, well, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: We had.
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  Speaker 1: Our third installment. Yeah, we had Oscar Meltdown 2 Electric Booger.
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  Speaker 1: Electric Booger.
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  Speaker 5: So with any third installment, you have to go 3D.
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  Speaker 5: So go to your local convenience store and get your
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  Speaker 5: Oscar Meltdown 3D glasses.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They'll be there. Just ask for them. The red
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  Speaker 1: and green ones. Red and green ones. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 5: This bullshit plastic sunglass looking. No, I want cardboard, red
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  Speaker 1: The ones that irritate your face. Just, yeah. Go ask
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  Speaker 1: 7-Eleven carries them. Definitely. Definitely. Any of your quickie marts
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  Speaker 1: Just go. I think they come free with a big gold, right?
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  Speaker 1: A big gold. A 12-pack of Pepsi.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to do the monumental third installment of Oscar Meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: Oscar Meltdown 3D.
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  Speaker 5: And, as usual, we'll be discussing the film. And this
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  Speaker 5: time around, we will be discussing... A film from this
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  Speaker 5: year's winner of the Irving G. Thalbert Award, Mr. Francis
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  Speaker 5: Ford Coppola. And in our usual Oscar meltdown fashion, do
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  Speaker 5: we ever do things, you know, are we going to
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  Speaker 5: watch one of his Oscar-nominated films?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, of course not. We're going to watch one of
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  Speaker 1: his first films, Dementia 13. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of those I don't know if I've watched
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  Speaker 5: in its entirety. I've had it on my list of
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: I need to get around to watch that Just because,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's Coppola. It's an old Roger Corman movie.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like, I feel like it's, yeah, it's Corman going, okay,
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  Speaker 5: I'll let you direct this. And he gets his foot
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  Speaker 5: in the door and then he makes Godfather. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's like you got to pay tribute to how it began.
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  Speaker 5: And we're going to do that. So we're going to
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  Speaker 5: go back and watch Dementia 13.
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  Speaker 1: Anything else we need to watch? I thought we were
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: going to watch Leonard Part 6. Oh. Just be glad
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: we're not watching Jack. Could have made you guys watch Jack.
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  Speaker 1: It was terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell.
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  Speaker 5: Happened to Coppola in that part of his life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anything else you need to round out this episode? No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. All right. I'm good. Just remember,
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  Speaker 1: the key to happiness is, you know, $ 9. 99 and we
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  Speaker 1: can take it off and we can take care of it. $ 9. 99. $ 9.
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  Speaker 1: The secret to life itself. Give the bum the cigarette
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  Speaker 1: and a dollar for some coffee. Or else. That's the
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  Speaker 1: meaning of life. As you learn in that first scene.
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  Speaker 1: Or else. Just give them the money and leave.
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  Speaker 5: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
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  Speaker 5: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 1: What's the meaning? You must be dreaming To.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: Want the meaning of life I heard you screaming To
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  Speaker 8: know the meaning To know the meaning of life.
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  Speaker 1: You've got radio. Live, sing us, here we go. You've
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  Speaker 1: got that song that you love. But they're just liars.
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  Speaker 1: Don't work, expire. Indeed, that feeling is gone.
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  Speaker 11: What's the meaning?
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  Speaker 6: You must be dreaming to want the.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning of life. I heard you.
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  Speaker 6: Screaming to know the meaning.
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  Speaker 1: To know.
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  Speaker 6: So many people Walking two steps behind They come to
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  Speaker 6: judge you Now rise above you But still they'll make
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  Speaker 6: you feel blind Still they'll.
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  Speaker 8: Make you feel blind Still they'll make you.
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  Speaker 2: What's the meaning?
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  Speaker 1: You must be dreaming To.
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  Speaker 6: Want the meaning of life To know the meaning of
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  Speaker 6: life Delayed and decayed But the world keeps moving on
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  Speaker 6: You need to know a little more than that Your
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  Speaker 6: time is up But the world keeps.
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  Speaker 1: Moving on You need to know.
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  Speaker 4: What's the meaning?
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  Speaker 1: You must make your claim. Do you want the meaning
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  Speaker 1: of life?
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  Speaker 6: I heard you screaming.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know the meaning?
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  Speaker 8: Do you know the meaning of life?
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  Speaker 1: Fuck off.
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