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- 0:47What happens when a team composed of one armed guards, one lung tackles and medically discharged soldiers takes the field against one of the best college football has to offer in 1943?
- 0:57The answer was simple.
- 0:59They win the World War II era.
- 1:01Tulsa Golden Hurricane might just be the greatest collection of gridiron misfits ever assembled, riding an undefeated regular season straight to the Sugar Bowl.
- 1:10Here to tell the story behind his fantastic football archaeology article, Tulsa's 1943 Team and Wartime condition is our guest, Timothy P.
- 1:20Brown.
- 1:20Hey there.
- 1:21Thanks.
- 1:22Looking forward to chatting again tonight.
- 1:23And I can tell you that this story is going to be gold, Jerry Gold, I tell you.
- 1:30The 1943 Tulsa Golden Hurricanes.
- 1:35All right.
- 1:35Yeah.
- 1:36Like the outfit.
- 1:37Yeah.
- 1:38That is perfect for our 1943 week that we're celebrating here in pigskindispatch.com another great story from that season and you had a tidbit that we spawned this conversation.
- 1:511943 Tulsa and wartime conditions.
- 1:54There's a link in the show notes on the podcast and the YouTube that you could read Tim's original.
- 1:58But here we're going to hear the man speak about it right now.
- 2:02Very good.
- 2:04Yeah, I mean, you know, the whole thing, you know, you know, 43 was, and 44 were really kind of weird years for college football because, you know, pretty much the bulk of draft age, able bodied, you know, men
- 2:26were overseas in some kind of training, you know, military training camp or they were in a military training program at a college or university.
- 2:38You know, I mean they're, or, you know, they obviously there were farmers and you know, people with various jobs, you know, needed in the civilian sector.
- 2:46But, but a lot of guys were, were in the military.
- 2:51And so it just changed the dynamic and, you know, maybe gave some opportunities, the warriors in some ways gave opportunities to certain schools that normally didn't have them.
- 3:00And so Tulsa's coach was a guy named Henry Franca Frnka, heavy, heavy consonant surname.
- 3:15And the guy was like 49 and one.
- 3:19So 49, one in from 1941 to 1945.
- 3:25So, you know, I mean, really obviously very strong program, five straight bowl appearances.
- 3:32But the 1943 roster was interesting just because Tulsa didn't have a military training program, you know.
- 3:40So I mean, if you're in all this like wartime football history, you know, you're aware of teams like, you know, Iowa pre flight and you know, North Carolina had had a team, USC had some military people, you know,
- 3:57Texas A.
- 3:58And M and yeah, yeah, you name it.
- 4:01There were, there were these, the Navy had these pre flight programs or guys that go learn engineering stuff related to flying.
- 4:09But there were all kinds of other, you know, programs.
- 4:12So, so, but basically Tulsa, you know, relatively small school, and so they basically, they didn't have military guys.
- 4:23They had lost a bunch of their guys to these other programs.
- 4:28But, but, you know, maybe this guy was a good recruiter, but one way or another he ended up getting guys transferring in who maybe were at a school that dropped football during the war.
- 4:41Like, they dropped a lot of teams, A lot of schools dropped for 33, they're 43 and 44, stuff like that, because they just didn't have enough guys.
- 4:49And so some guys would transfer out of that school and go to someplace else like Tulsa.
- 4:55And then he also had a bunch of 4F players.
- 5:00So the 4F were the guys that were rejected by the military by, you know, selective Service, even though, like you might see him on the street and go, okay, seems fine.
- 5:11And so just, you know, here's a list of some of the guys on the team.
- 5:16So there were, there were four F guys with vision problems.
- 5:19Okay, makes total sense.
- 5:22Ruptured eardrums, a guy with one kidney, another guy with one lung, and a guy, a one armed right guard named Ellis Jones, who actually played eight games, eight NFL games in 1945.
- 5:39So, you know, is a pretty good football player, right?
- 5:43But so, you know, and then they were in the Missouri Valley.
- 5:49So.
- 5:51The conference granted eligibility immediately to civilian transfers, right?
- 5:57Which ordinarily they would have had wait a year.
- 6:00And then they also allowed freshmen to play and like 22 of the 40 roster spots were freshmen.
- 6:07So I mean, despite that, so basically 18 veterans, right, of sophomore through senior class.
- 6:16And they ended up, you know, they go to a bowl game and they went to the Sugar bowl that year.
- 6:23Actually they only lost one regular season game and that was against Southwestern University, not a well known football school.
- 6:32You know, they've had their day, but that Southwestern had one of those V12 Navy programs.
- 6:38So they had seven guys from the 42 Southwest Conference team at Texas, Southwest Conference champion team at Texas who were playing at Southwestern the next year.
- 6:50So, so they lost to those guys and then they ended up playing Georgia Tech in the Sugar bowl and lost 22 to 18.
- 6:58So I mean, you know, so they were, they were a darn good team, you know, playing the Sugar bowl, you know, you're doing okay.
- 7:06And I'm sure the selection, they probably were some kinds of restrictions on war, wartime travel.
- 7:11So there being reasonably close, you know, to New Orleans probably helped.
- 7:16But nevertheless, you know, it's just a, just one of those things that it's almost.
- 7:21We can't even fathom those kinds of conditions today, you know, because the, you know, you just.
- 7:29When we've been in conflicts, you have Since World War II, when we've been in conflicts, you know, while you might draft guys, it's not like everybody is getting drafted and entering the military.
- 7:42It's, you know, much more in spots.
- 7:46Right.
- 7:46So anyways, yeah, it's, it's an interesting time because it's one of those, those lines in the sand for the game of football where drastic change happened.
- 7:56You know, World War II changed so many things.
- 7:58Technology and, you know, people, the way people socialized and everything else.
- 8:04But football was one of those things that were really affected because it was really a training ground for, for football players and, you know, just, it's a great, great story and great springboard for, for the game to get
- 8:19more American homes, you know.
- 8:21Yeah.
- 8:21And they, you know, there was also, I mean, there were a lot of like World War I.
- 8:26They, they also just, you know, Great Lakes had some really good teams and you know, there were, there were other.
- 8:32Iowa Pre Flight had some absolutely excellent teams and great coaches too, you know, you know, so, I mean, they, they had, you know, Don Ferro was the head coach and, and what's his name?
- 8:46Oklahoma.
- 8:47Oklahoma coach.
- 8:48He went, played at Minnesota, became the Cardinals head coach later on.
- 8:56Bud Wilkinson.
- 8:56Oh, Wilkinson.
- 8:57Okay.
- 8:57Yeah.
- 8:58And, you know, so he was an assistant, you know, so anyway, I mean, there was just so much football talent floating around.
- 9:05You know, Bear Bryant was an assistant coach at Carolina, you know, Pre Flight.
- 9:12So, you know, I mean, they were just, there's all kinds of stuff like that.
- 9:16But, you know, I think in 44, I think there was like four of the top 10 teams at the end of the season in the college polls were military teams.
- 9:25So amazing, you know, really talented, you know, folks.
- 9:29Yeah, well, great.
- 9:31That's another great story.
- 9:32I'm glad you shared it with us.
- 9:34You did the research on it and, you know, because most of us would never know about this unless you brought it with one of your tidbits and maybe you could tell us a little bit more about your tidbits
- 9:43and where people can find them.
- 9:44Yeah, so you just go to footballarchaeology.com it's a substack site.
- 9:49You can subscribe, you can follow.
- 9:53You can also, you know, just bookmark it and come back whenever you want.
- 9:57But if you subscribe, you know, you'll get an email every time that I publish a new.
- 10:01A new story.
- 10:03Yeah.
- 10:04So that.
- 10:05That's the way to find it.
- 10:06All right.
- 10:07Well, Tim, we really appreciate you coming on today and sharing this, and we'd love to talk to you again next Tuesday.
- 10:12I think we'll get the chance.
- 10:14Thanks.
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