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The Good Bad and Ugly ( Michelle Obama Speaks On Her Kids Earning Their Stripes and Diddy Update Trials) · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Gewiss.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
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  Speaker 2: and everybody.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know if you don't lie about that, right,
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  Speaker 3: Lauren came in.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, it's Laura Rosa and this is the latest
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  Speaker 2: with Lauren L.
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  Speaker 3: Rosa.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm your host, Laura L. Rosa, and we are
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  Speaker 2: here for another episode Low Riders. I appreciate you guys
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  Speaker 2: for joining me. Welcome on back, Welcome on back. If
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  Speaker 2: you cannot tell already, I am energized today. Y'all know
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  Speaker 2: we do the behind the scenes of the grind, behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes of the you know, the grind. Little checking
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  Speaker 2: that we do here, not little, because everything is big
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  Speaker 2: this season.
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  Speaker 3: I am feeling rejuvenated.
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  Speaker 2: I am excited to be here with you guys for
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  Speaker 2: another episode. It isn't excited for the place that I'm
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  Speaker 2: in in my life, good, bad, ugly and indifferent. And
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  Speaker 2: the reason why I say this is because I think
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  Speaker 2: this week, in these last couple weeks for me have
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  Speaker 2: been I've been learning in real time how to balance
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  Speaker 2: like schedule, and I think when people talk about that
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  Speaker 2: and the skill to be able to plan and schedule,
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  Speaker 2: they don't give it up for the girls who know
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  Speaker 2: how to do it enough, okay, because I religiously am
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  Speaker 2: not the planner of the friend group in the family,
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  Speaker 2: even though you know, oldest daughters in the family somehow
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  Speaker 2: become the family manager.
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  Speaker 3: The long term planning and things of that nature are
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  Speaker 3: not my specialty.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really well at executing, almost kind of in CRISI
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  Speaker 2: or crisis like, last minute on the spot, making decisions
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  Speaker 2: boom boom boom, let's get it, finding a solution. But
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  Speaker 2: what I'm learning so much more about when juggling so
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  Speaker 2: many different things now is the beauty and the necessity
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  Speaker 2: of long term planning and scheduling and you know, just
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  Speaker 2: organization and having a time and place for preparation and
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  Speaker 2: you know your thoughts and you know, a time for
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  Speaker 2: work where you're all the way locked in, a time
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  Speaker 2: for play, a time to say no to play, a
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  Speaker 2: time to say no to work, those type of things.
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  Speaker 2: So grateful to be experiencing that at this point in
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  Speaker 2: my journey, because I feel like, you know, it's I'm
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm really really spiritual. And I've been telling
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  Speaker 2: myself as I've been praying about some of the different
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  Speaker 2: you know, walls and different things I've been coming up
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  Speaker 2: against I've been asking God to guide me through them,
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  Speaker 2: but I've also been saying to God, Okay, God, I
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  Speaker 2: hear you. Okay, God, I hear you. Okay, God, I
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  Speaker 2: hear you. Because this is not my first time having
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  Speaker 2: like an inner conversation with myself about proper planning, preparation,
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  Speaker 2: taking the time, not burning yourself out, prioritizing what's important
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  Speaker 2: versus what's not. But I think in real time, I'm
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  Speaker 2: having to make those decisions or else. And yesterday I
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  Speaker 2: literally said that prayer to God, like God, I hear you.
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  Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying to me, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: do it. And I did a lot of things yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I prepped for you know, my segment the day before
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  Speaker 2: for the Breakfast Club, which I normally had done, but
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  Speaker 2: I've been so exhausted just doing this trial thing. Now
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  Speaker 2: we have the podcast and no excuses, more so just
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  Speaker 2: growth thing, growing into places and spaces where I can't
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  Speaker 2: operate like the woman I was before I got to
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  Speaker 2: those places has been my testimony lately. So you know, today,
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  Speaker 2: as I arrived here on the podcast, that's where I'm
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  Speaker 2: at and that's how I'm feeling and I know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you guys can probably you know, everybody goes
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  Speaker 2: through different changes in their life, and different elements and
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  Speaker 2: different elevation points of your life require different version of you.
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  Speaker 3: So that is where I'm at today currently.
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  Speaker 2: But let's get on into the latest, because if we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about elevation and you know, growth, we got to
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  Speaker 2: talk about one of the most historically famous families in
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  Speaker 2: our nation's history, the Obama family, because Michelle Obama has
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  Speaker 2: recently come out and made her comments for the first
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  Speaker 2: time about her daughter, Malia Malia Obama dropping her last name.
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  Speaker 2: So there have been reports that came out that Malia
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  Speaker 2: Obama used her middle name in so Mala as her
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  Speaker 2: last name for credits of a short film that she
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  Speaker 2: wrote and directed.
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  Speaker 3: The short film was called The Heart.
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  Speaker 2: This short film aired at the Sundance Festival in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four, and when the news broke, people were like,
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  Speaker 2: oh wait, hold on, But I instantly understood what that was.
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  Speaker 3: I knew. I'm like, Okay, these are girls who've been under.
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  Speaker 2: This microscope because you know, their dad was the first
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  Speaker 2: black president of the United States and their mother as
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  Speaker 2: the first lady of the United States.
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  Speaker 3: Is some amazing things for a nation.
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  Speaker 2: But she was highly criticized as a black woman in
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  Speaker 2: the White House, so of course their lives have been
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  Speaker 2: not without scrutiny as well. And these are young girls
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  Speaker 2: growing into women in front of our eyes, finding their
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  Speaker 2: own way, and I'm sure wanting to make their own way.
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  Speaker 2: So I had already kind of put two and two
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  Speaker 2: together and knew that that's probably what it was.
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  Speaker 3: But Michelle Obama came and cleared it up for us.
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  Speaker 2: And here is what she said on an episode of
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  Speaker 2: a podcast called Civiling Rivalry.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say, listen, our daughters are twenty five and twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: They are young adult women, but they definitely went through
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  Speaker 1: a period in their teen years where it was the
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  Speaker 1: push away, you know, we want to you know. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they're still doing that as and you guys know,
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  Speaker 1: this is the children of parents who are known. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to distinguish yourself. I mean, it is very
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  Speaker 1: important for my kids to feel like they've earned what
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  Speaker 1: they are getting in the world. And they don't want
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  Speaker 1: people to assume that they don't work hard, that they're
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  Speaker 1: just naturally just handed things. They're very sensitive to that
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  Speaker 1: they want to be their own people. You know Malia
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  Speaker 1: who started in film, I mean her first project, she
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  Speaker 1: took off her last name, and we were like, they're
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  Speaker 1: still going to know it's you, Malina, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: we respected the fact that, you know, she's trying to
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  Speaker 1: make her way. But now as they're older, I think
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  Speaker 1: they are embracing our parenting principles.
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  Speaker 3: They you know, they they have a clearer.
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  Speaker 1: Understanding of why we did a lot of what we did.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I love that because number one, I think that there's
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  Speaker 2: always this conversation amongst black families and about black families
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  Speaker 2: on nepotism. And I love the black nepotism conversation because
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  Speaker 2: I feel like whenever we get to have that black
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  Speaker 2: nepotism conversation, we get to argue about why if we
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  Speaker 2: worked hard and we earn the money, our kids get
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  Speaker 2: to get the silver spoon too. But I also think
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  Speaker 2: that for me playing Devil's Advocate, I think that it
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  Speaker 2: would have been a beautiful thing to see Malia Obama
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  Speaker 2: put Malia Obama in the credits. So I think it
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  Speaker 2: would have been a beautiful thing, you know, for her
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  Speaker 2: to say, Hey, my dad is Barack Obama, my mom
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  Speaker 2: is Michelle Obama.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get in the film Dad, Mom, who
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  Speaker 3: can you call?
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  Speaker 2: Because I think that that is what the generational wealth
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  Speaker 2: of you know, being people, not even you know, black
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  Speaker 2: people when I'm speaking to that because I'm a black woman,
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  Speaker 2: but people in general, red, white, or blue. The whole
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  Speaker 2: point in you know, breaking down these barriers and breaking
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  Speaker 2: glass ceilings and walking through these doors and sitting at
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  Speaker 2: these tables or building your own table is so that
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  Speaker 2: a person behind you doesn't have to fight or break
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  Speaker 2: through or build or carry the weight of doing so
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  Speaker 2: many of these different things in the way that you
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  Speaker 2: have to. And I you know, for me, when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to black children, and especially in like creative spaces
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  Speaker 2: and you know, artsy spaces, it's always about like, I
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  Speaker 2: want to claim my own right because you know, your
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  Speaker 2: art is your art, and that's what you're trying to protect.
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  Speaker 2: But I love when I see what Lebron and you know,
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  Speaker 2: Brownie Junior are doing. It's like I'm here, I'm talented,
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  Speaker 2: I deserve to be here, and I could have worked
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  Speaker 2: to get here, and I did work to be here.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, my dad is Lebron James.
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  Speaker 2: But I love that Michelle Obama and Barack Obama give
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  Speaker 2: their daughters, from what it seems like on the outside
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  Speaker 2: looking in that space, to be their own people, to
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  Speaker 2: you know, wedge their own you know, sword in society.
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  Speaker 2: But they're honest with them. They're like, look, no matter
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  Speaker 2: what you call yourself, Malia, they're gonna know it's you, baby,
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  Speaker 2: like we are who we are at this point. But
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  Speaker 2: they still allow her to go through life and understand
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  Speaker 2: that and experience that on their own. Something about that
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  Speaker 2: Obama family that just makes me, you know, like I
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  Speaker 2: want to strive to have that, that regalness and that love,
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  Speaker 2: and its still that in my children with my husband.
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  Speaker 2: I look at the Obamas as that. And Michelle Obama
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  Speaker 2: just announced her book that will go and sell November fourth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: It is called The Look.
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  Speaker 2: She says, during our family's time in the White House,
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  Speaker 2: the way I looked was constantly being discussed and dissected,
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  Speaker 2: what I wore, how my hair was styled. For a
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  Speaker 2: while now, I've been wanting to reclaim more of that story,
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  Speaker 2: to share it in my own way. I'm thankful to
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  Speaker 2: be at a stage in life where I feel comfortable
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  Speaker 2: expressing myself freely wearing what I love and doing what
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  Speaker 2: I love feels true to me, and I'm excited to
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  Speaker 2: share some of what I've learned along the way. My
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  Speaker 2: new book, The Look, comes out on November fourth. It's
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  Speaker 2: a reflection on my lifelong journey with fashion, hair and beauty.
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  Speaker 2: I am really excited about that as a woman, a
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  Speaker 2: Black woman in a very public space that you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been criticized for my outfits, whether they're too seductive
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  Speaker 2: or not in my personal time or you know, my
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  Speaker 2: hair on camera, my makeup on camera is you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's the small things, and I think all women get it,
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  Speaker 2: but I do think, you know, speaking from the perspective
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  Speaker 2: of a black woman, just like a lot of other things,
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  Speaker 2: there is the feeling of I can't not get that right.
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  Speaker 2: Hair has to be late, beauty has to be on point.
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  Speaker 2: Outfits have to be very aware and cognizant of the
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  Speaker 2: room that I'm walking into because I might not get
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  Speaker 2: another chance to show up in this way. So excited
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  Speaker 2: to hear you know what she's teaching this book because
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  Speaker 2: Michelle Obama got man what I deal with a little
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  Speaker 2: bit on social media, and nothing compare with to our
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  Speaker 2: first Lady Michelle Obama and what she experienced while being
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  Speaker 2: in the White House.
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  Speaker 3: So definitely will be on the lookout for that.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to also then pivot in the latest
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  Speaker 2: because you guys know that we've been keeping you up
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  Speaker 2: to date on the trial here in New York where
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  Speaker 2: Sean COLMBS Diddy is on trial for a plethora of things.
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  Speaker 2: There's counts of trafficking, you know, all of these things,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been going to the courthouse daily, and now
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  Speaker 2: I've decided that I will go, of course, and keep
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  Speaker 2: up with what is going on in the court whether
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  Speaker 2: I'm there or not through transcripts and court reporters. But
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  Speaker 2: I do want to make sure that the days when
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  Speaker 2: you guys see me there because I do have dual
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  Speaker 2: triple rolls, like I'm here on the podcast with y'all,
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  Speaker 2: the lowwriters, we you know, at the.
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  Speaker 3: Breakfast club, we in court. It's a lot to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: Prioritizing, I told y'all at the beginning of this has
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  Speaker 2: been a thing that I've had to learn because of
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  Speaker 2: the voice in the you know, the different areas that
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  Speaker 2: all this coverage has been able to, you know, place
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  Speaker 2: me and I'm so grateful for that, but I want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure it's effective. So not every day am
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  Speaker 2: I at the actual court. But y'all gonna still hear me.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all gonna hear me though. So yesterday in court, there
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  Speaker 2: was a woman who testified. Her name is Brianna Banna Bangalan.
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  Speaker 2: Now this woman, Cassie had spoke a lot about her
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  Speaker 2: and her testimony and talked about, you know, they were
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  Speaker 2: a really close friend. She was actually a designer as well,
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  Speaker 2: a fashion designer, friends with Cassie, and she experienced a
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  Speaker 2: very allegedly a very violent and physical interaction with Ditty,
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  Speaker 2: you know, while Cassie was present that Cassie spoke to
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  Speaker 2: and now she is on the stand telling her story
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  Speaker 2: herself this week. So she alleged that Diddy held her
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  Speaker 2: on a seventeen story balcony back in September of twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: and she testified that Diddy threw her on the balcony furniture.
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  Speaker 2: She ales that she was left with a bruise on
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  Speaker 2: the back of her leg as well as neck and
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  Speaker 2: back pain, and that Diddy said to her allegedly in
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  Speaker 2: the midst of all of this, in the midst of
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  Speaker 2: all this rage that he's a devil and he could
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  Speaker 2: kill her. And that was on a whole different occasion.
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  Speaker 2: So you have the back balcony incident, then you have
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  Speaker 2: the whole the devil I could kill you, that whole incident,
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  Speaker 2: and what what she is speaking to is an incident
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  Speaker 2: where Diddy basically came into the into Cassie's home.
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  Speaker 3: And the way that uh, you know.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecutors or the government set it up when talking
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  Speaker 2: about this woman and that experience was that, uh Diddy
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  Speaker 2: was at a point allegedly where he was trying to
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  Speaker 2: keep Cassie from drug abuse and different friend groups and
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  Speaker 2: you know, she was just she was she was spiraling.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The government of alleged that they were both using drugs
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  Speaker 2: and they were both doing these different things, but that
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  Speaker 2: actually Cassie had begun to utilize drugs and do different
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  Speaker 2: things a bit too much and he was trying to
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  Speaker 2: almost like safeguard her. Cassie and Miss Brianna tell a
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  Speaker 2: whole different story.
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  Speaker 3: They talk about this, and this was day sixteen of
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  Speaker 3: the trial.
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  Speaker 2: They talk about this as you know, him coming in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on alleged drunken rage and just being upset
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  Speaker 2: about things that were not in Brianna's control whatsoever. And
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  Speaker 2: she also talked about not even wanting to meet Diddy
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  Speaker 2: at one point when Cassie was trying to introduce them,
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  Speaker 2: because she didn't like some of the things that she
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  Speaker 2: had been, you know, just seeing from kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a third I view. But she did Bona is what
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  Speaker 2: they call her, Cassie's friend that took the stand. She
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  Speaker 2: did talk about them, you know, being on drugs that
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  Speaker 2: you know, within that incident, her and Cassie, she alleged,
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  Speaker 2: and the Diddy's defense team came in and tried to
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  Speaker 2: you know, poke holes in her story because she couldn't remembering.
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  Speaker 2: She couldn't remember where she told the government that the
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  Speaker 2: incident took place at. She couldn't remember what drugs she
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  Speaker 2: told them that she was on. But two, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you're the government, it's like, okay, of course she's
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  Speaker 2: telling you that they were on drugs. She just can't
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  Speaker 2: remember all of the drugs. And it wasn't maybe as
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  Speaker 2: much as you guys are depicting, right. Cassie came prior
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  Speaker 2: to this and had a very in depth conversation about
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  Speaker 2: how extensive her drug use was. Having to go to
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  Speaker 2: rehab doing drugs with her friend Bonna, who we are
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  Speaker 2: now hearing from. Cassie herself, said there's a whole year
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  Speaker 2: she talked about it. She said, you know, twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 2: is basically a blur because of the drugs that she
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  Speaker 2: was doing. So I don't know how effective this is
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  Speaker 2: on a jury to you know, for the prosecutors to
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  Speaker 2: present this information that way where it's like, Okay, he's
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  Speaker 2: in this rage, he comes in, a person is physically harmed,
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  Speaker 2: the scared. There's a whole knife fight that breaks out
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  Speaker 2: allegedly at some point between Diddy and Cassie as well,
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  Speaker 2: and this was like a normal thing that they, you know,
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  Speaker 2: allegedly used to just do. Because this is you know,
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  Speaker 2: allegedly Cassie fighting back against the rage and just how
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  Speaker 2: did he would handle things? But there's all these things right,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm saying all that briefly, and if you guys
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  Speaker 2: can't tell by now, I feel like yesterday's testimony testimony,
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  Speaker 2: it was there, but it's not that something I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on.
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  Speaker 3: There are all these big salacious things right.
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  Speaker 2: There's knives, there's the devil, there starts to you know,
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  Speaker 2: allegedly does to kill someone. And then you also have
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  Speaker 2: to enter the fact that you know, on all parties involved,
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  Speaker 2: there was conversation prior to this woman taking a stand
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  Speaker 2: of all of this drug use, which was confirmed by multa,
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  Speaker 2: including Cassie herself, which was confirmed by multiple people.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, how do you, as Diddy's.
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  Speaker 2: Team, effectively make a juror think that this witness is
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  Speaker 2: not credible?
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  Speaker 3: How when you've heard.
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  Speaker 2: Over and over and over prior to her getting to
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  Speaker 2: understand a lot of people don't remember some things because
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  Speaker 2: of the drugs that they were doing or the trauma
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  Speaker 2: that they experienced. That's been my biggest question here, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why the government hasn't rested their case
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  Speaker 2: yet is because I think they want to. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they beyond the shadow of a doubt, right is their goal.
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  Speaker 2: But they're trying to feel in color in every little
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  Speaker 2: blank inch that they can because that is what they
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  Speaker 2: have to do or this might not be a win
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  Speaker 2: for them. Because if I'm a durer, I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 2: it like, Okay, yet that happened, right, Like Diddy's team
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  Speaker 2: is alleging this woman that he came into this rage
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  Speaker 2: and came at you know, this bondom woman the way
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  Speaker 2: he did because he was protecting Cassie from drug use
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  Speaker 2: and these things. But at the same time, everything else
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  Speaker 2: that we've seen physically from you know, Diddy that has
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  Speaker 2: been alleged and you know, just the power, the influence,
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  Speaker 2: the anger, all of these things has been so big,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: and we've heard it from so many different angles.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: How do you fight against that? I keep saying it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I really keep saying it because I think that that's when,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll kind of get answers to a lot
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: of these questions or not and really know where the
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the verdict in this case is going to go.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: But I'm really interested to see what Diddy's defense is
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: going to be to all these things. And we've seen
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: some of it, right, like the angling of you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: how they position their questioning when they cross examine the
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: witnesses and things of that nature.