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Regenerative Agriculture, Raw Milk, and Delicious Burgers | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Germ Warfare, the Battle
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  Speaker 1: of Ideas Farmer Angus. Thank you for joining me in
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  Speaker 1: the trenches.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, what a pleasure being in the trenches. It's got
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  Speaker 2: to be one of the best opening lines to any podcast. Yet,
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  Speaker 2: I know you're how combative. If you know that we
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  Speaker 2: spoke the first time in I think it was twenty
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  Speaker 2: one twenty two on the back of a thing that
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  Speaker 2: I wrote and actually published on my blog to say
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  Speaker 2: that I'm not going to force vaccinate my staff. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and it felt you know, I wasn't really aware of
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  Speaker 2: you and your work. But the nature of jerom warfare
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  Speaker 2: is very combative. So let's FoST forward now four or
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  Speaker 2: five years. Do you feel that it's still as combative
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  Speaker 2: or has it become more combative. I know you've had,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you've had a lot of people trying to
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  Speaker 2: crush you in UK column, But generally, do you think
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  Speaker 2: it's more combative?
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  Speaker 1: I've never been asked that. Hmmm, I don't know. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it Maybe it's probably just as combative as then.
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  Speaker 1: It just I think that the focus is a bit different.
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  Speaker 1: When you and I spoke, everything was COVID COVID, COVID,
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  Speaker 1: But now a lot of that is quote unquote behind us,
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  Speaker 1: and so the you know, there's a whole world of
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  Speaker 1: of interesting puzzle pieces that I'm you know, over time
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  Speaker 1: piecing together. So I guess, I guess it's all as combative.
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  Speaker 1: If I look at the pushback, I get that's it's
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  Speaker 1: definitely a war.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you feel in an information war? And
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  Speaker 2: all that language warfare and trenches and and and all
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  Speaker 2: is still the thing?
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  Speaker 1: The thing though also, I mean it is obviously all
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  Speaker 1: just branding and and it worked at the time, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it still works if you consider the fact
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  Speaker 1: that we are in an information war. I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you if you just look at what's going on around
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  Speaker 1: us in the media, you'll know that there's huge amounts
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  Speaker 1: of propaganda, and it takes a lot of work to
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  Speaker 1: sift through things angers to figure out what is true
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  Speaker 1: and what is not true. That's ultimately what I'm always
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  Speaker 1: trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: MM and and and who have you changed your news? So?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know you sort of ask me questions,
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  Speaker 2: but but but by me asking you questions and hearing
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  Speaker 2: your answers, that their inform how I think about you
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  Speaker 2: know my various things. Are you are you using different
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  Speaker 2: news sources? For example? Are you subscribing two different telegram channels?
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  Speaker 2: Do you find maybe you don't want to name names,
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  Speaker 2: but there might be people or things that you don't
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  Speaker 2: follow anymore that aren't serving you, or maybe there's something
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  Speaker 2: new that's that's that's that's come.
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  Speaker 1: On, no, I think okay, So I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people can probably relate to this. But what the
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  Speaker 1: COVID era taught me is not to blindly trust what
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  Speaker 1: the media says. And this applies equally to alternative, independent media.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we must be careful of falling into
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  Speaker 1: the trap of thinking just because it's counter narrative, it's
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  Speaker 1: therefore true. That's and that's a that's a tough pill
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  Speaker 1: to swallow.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably where you're getting your most vitriolic attacks are
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  Speaker 2: from people threatened by that exact positions.
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  Speaker 1: Think of it like this, angus, think of it like this.
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  Speaker 1: To simply assume this binary position that everything Fauci says
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  Speaker 1: is a lie because of Fauci, that's dangerous because Fauci
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  Speaker 1: can certainly say things that are true. Yes, we just
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  Speaker 1: don't want to admit that we don't want to say
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  Speaker 1: that out loud because we inherently don't like him. But
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  Speaker 1: the reality is that every person doesn't have a monopoly
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  Speaker 1: on truth, and so therefore we have to we have
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  Speaker 1: to widen our scope. That's the way I said, We've
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  Speaker 1: got to widen us curb. However, I do think a
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  Speaker 1: good rule of thumb is to consider who's got more
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  Speaker 1: skin in the game. Our mutual friend Nick Kutson in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty when he started Panda, certainly had more skin
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  Speaker 1: in the game than say, CNN. So I was more
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  Speaker 1: likely to look at the daughter he was putting out
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  Speaker 1: than say, what Johns Hopkins was putting out. Yeah, does
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  Speaker 1: that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: Follow the money, Yeah, and also follow the risk. I
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  Speaker 1: guess who's likely to not be affected negatively? I mean
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  Speaker 1: a big corporation like Media twenty four, News twenty four whatever, CNN,
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  Speaker 1: all these huge media houses. If they get it wrong,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, they still continue going. But if the
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  Speaker 1: small guy gets it wrong, he's more likely to get
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  Speaker 1: crushed and disappear. And so but that's again, it's not
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  Speaker 1: always the case. It's not binary. Alex Jones, I think,
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  Speaker 1: for example, gets a lot of things right but I
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  Speaker 1: think he gets a lot of things wrong, and he
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  Speaker 1: is pretty big in the independent space. But Alex is
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  Speaker 1: one of the only guys, I think, angus who can
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  Speaker 1: pull off eighties cheese with the elegance that he does.
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  Speaker 1: He will look at the camera and you'll go, what
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  Speaker 1: am I about to tell you? Come closer, and the
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  Speaker 1: camera goes closer. I mean, that's something you could only
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  Speaker 1: pull off in the nineteen eighties. And he was right.
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  Speaker 1: He was right about a lot of stuff. He was
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  Speaker 1: right about nine to eleven. He was one of the
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  Speaker 1: first first people in the in the in the I
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  Speaker 1: think was he in the mainstream at that stage to
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  Speaker 1: call out nine eleven as an inside job. He said
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  Speaker 1: that turning that turning a freaking frogs gay. He was
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  Speaker 1: right about that. It's just a whole lot more sensational.
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  Speaker 1: But he was right about the toxins in the.
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  Speaker 2: Water atrasine, which by the way, is still allowed to
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  Speaker 2: be used in South Africa. Really yeah, jerm, we we
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  Speaker 2: allow chemicals to be used here that are banned in Europe.
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  Speaker 2: The Americans are the same as we are. There's a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot of chemicals band in Mina a company. If
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  Speaker 2: you're not actually saying positive things about Europe. But be
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  Speaker 2: there as it may. There there are certain things that
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  Speaker 2: the Europeans do better than certainly ourselves, and definitely the Americans.
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  Speaker 2: And when it comes to two chemicals, they they are
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  Speaker 2: much clearer about it. And and and and and Trump's
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  Speaker 2: just gone all in on chemical agriculture despite placate. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Trump's Trump brought a whole group of people in through
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  Speaker 2: r F K Junior. You know this, We're gonna make Maha. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: what's it? Make America healthy again? You know, a sub
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  Speaker 2: brand of of of Maga and and and and Yet
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  Speaker 2: he's he's like he's betrayed everybody. Trump has on on everything,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, broken every single election promise. He's betrayed the
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  Speaker 2: Mah movement. You know, the the the Supreme Court is
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  Speaker 2: now protecting Monsanto, the the the the e p A
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  Speaker 2: has allowed a whole host of new chemicals to be used,
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  Speaker 2: you know, banned chemicals in Europe. It to me, it
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  Speaker 2: feels like this is a this is an all out
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  Speaker 2: fight grab as much as we can. We don't care
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  Speaker 2: how what we knew, what what the consequences are. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's almost African in its inability to plan for tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it feels like to me. This zodcast for
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  Speaker 2: me is that every single person is just trying to
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  Speaker 2: grab as much as they possibly can. Whether Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: we can go into you know if you push back
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  Speaker 2: on me on that one, but all means no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: writing more on.
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  Speaker 1: It what it is. But I'm kind of conflicted. I
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  Speaker 1: I really do like RFK Junior, and I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say out loud that I'm disappointed, but I am disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Austin Fitz said on my podcast that when he
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  Speaker 1: joined the administration, he became captured. What do you think, Well, so.
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  Speaker 2: You know him obviously because you've been on his well
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  Speaker 2: in the degree that you know person once you've done
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  Speaker 2: podcasts with him, but the internet world is pretty close
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  Speaker 2: to knowing. His Farcy book, which I think you and
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  Speaker 2: I have spoken about, is incredible. He has never been
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  Speaker 2: sued for anything about that, so he and he's absolutely
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  Speaker 2: correct about the total crookedness of the pharmaceutical industry. Has
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  Speaker 2: he been compromised possibly he's brought in. He hasn't achieved
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  Speaker 2: what the people who supported him wanted. More they would
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  Speaker 2: never have allowed life or say to be getting the
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  Speaker 2: protection that it is, all these EPA things. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's tried to make change to the CDC, especially on
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine thing that seems to be stonewalled. There has
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  Speaker 2: to be some success. What shocked me about RFK was
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  Speaker 2: how blatantly pro zionist he is. Now, maybe that's the
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  Speaker 2: only way you become a politician in America. Well sorry,
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  Speaker 2: up to maybe a few months ago, it was the
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  Speaker 2: only way. But now there's some really interesting anti Zionist
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  Speaker 2: things happening in the US. I mean, there've been some
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  Speaker 2: congressmen elected who have specifically gone on an anti Zionist platform,
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  Speaker 2: and they and they've got their and they've got their
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  Speaker 2: the position of power. But talking in twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: he was, you know, he was sucking on the Zionist
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  Speaker 2: organ hard and here the same people who murdered his
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  Speaker 2: father and uncle. Right, sick must your mind be? Or
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  Speaker 2: how terrified are you of these people to praise when
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  Speaker 2: you know that they killed your uncle and your father.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but isn't he trying to stay alive?
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  Speaker 2: Then in that case, maybe maybe he's playing five D chess.
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  Speaker 2: You know, maybe maybe Putin is playing five D chess
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  Speaker 2: and he's sacrificing his own soldiers in Ukraine to bankrupt
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  Speaker 2: you know, the great Satan of the EU. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think that Russian thing's gone on very long. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: have you have you? I don't think you've into you
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  Speaker 2: to guy called Rurik Skywalker?
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  Speaker 1: No, okay, so what is that his surname?
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  Speaker 2: Call himself Ruric Skywalker. Then then to be controversially called
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  Speaker 2: himself Ruric a christ Walker, and then he called him
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  Speaker 2: and I is called himself slav Lander s l A
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  Speaker 2: v l A and e R. So, from what I
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  Speaker 2: can gather, I first heard him years ago on what's
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  Speaker 2: his name, s J More or something, A.
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  Speaker 1: Guy yeah Hervoya Mark, Yeah, who's been on my show
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  Speaker 1: a few times in the all days, Yeah, politics and empire.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I heard him on that thing and I thought, gosh,
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  Speaker 2: this is a guy who's speaking like way out there.
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  Speaker 2: You're completely out of my frame of reference. Anyway, I
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  Speaker 2: guess seventy percent of his work is on esoteric stuff,
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: which is super interesting, and this comes from this and
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  Speaker 2: this kind of there. But a lot of his work
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  Speaker 2: is on the ground what is actually happening in Russia.
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  Speaker 2: He has some insights into Iran Da da da dada,
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  Speaker 2: and he paints a rather depressing picture to say, where
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  Speaker 2: we are today, it's basically just mafia gangsters who are
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  Speaker 2: controlling the states. It's all corporations stealing here. Everyone's trying
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  Speaker 2: to steal, you know, currently the Chabbats on the on
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  Speaker 2: the rise in America and and and you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you look at it through that lens, it's actually quite interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's very depressing. But he's basically saying that the governments
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  Speaker 2: don't mean anything. It's it's these criminal cartels who who
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  Speaker 2: are fighting over their different purchase and they will then
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  Speaker 2: allow a certain politician to be in a place and
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  Speaker 2: in the UK and Medica. And Whitticumbe was murdered two
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago, within days and hours of her starting to
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  Speaker 2: become quite loud about how corrupt westminsters do you are?
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  Speaker 2: You have you followed that?
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  Speaker 1: Not much?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? Do you know Ann whittikeamb was no? Okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure your colleagues at UK column are way more
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  Speaker 2: knowledgeable than I am. And Anne Whittikom was I think
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  Speaker 2: a conservative minister and I think she's become a spokesman
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  Speaker 2: or became a spokesman. Oh, and she was also she
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  Speaker 2: was also very involved. Is it with the Catholic Nuns
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  Speaker 2: or something. No, maybe it wasn't that. Some organizations very
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  Speaker 2: involved with like like you know, the old school highly
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  Speaker 2: educated uh a multiplate disciplinary brit they used to do.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just I've just looked it up.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: She died now as as in like a few days ago,
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  Speaker 1: she was murdered.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really within days of her starting to speak about
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  Speaker 2: how corrupt Westminster is and the and and the and
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to say I was a burglary. They've gone wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but it's nonsense. She was starting to spark the truths
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  Speaker 2: about the Oligochs and the gangsters and the mafia and
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  Speaker 2: the criminal class. You know. At the same time Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: Bridgen, Andrew's been on the UK column.
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  Speaker 2: He was the only MP who was questioned the COVID narrative.
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  Speaker 2: And they and they and they did. They took him
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  Speaker 2: out for that. I didn't kill him, but but they
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  Speaker 2: took his seat away in a totally rigged election in
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  Speaker 2: you know, he'd won his seat four times in a
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  Speaker 2: row and then on the fifth time they just totally
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  Speaker 2: changed the rules and the juries. I mean, they stole
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  Speaker 2: the election from him, so he should still have been
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  Speaker 2: an MP. But Britain was talking to somebody. I saw
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  Speaker 2: a little clip of it last week. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was just explaining how utterly corrupt the UK is, and
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  Speaker 2: he claims the most corrupt society in the world. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he's lived in South Africa or in.
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  Speaker 1: Most African to make that. I love it when when
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  Speaker 1: people in the first world have no idea the kind
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  Speaker 1: of world that we live in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but jerm can I can I push back on you? Dude?
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  Speaker 2: England first, England is not first World. Have you been
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  Speaker 2: to Japan?
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  Speaker 1: No, But I have been to China.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you were China. You did amazing work in China.
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  Speaker 2: Friend just got back from Beijing. He's been there for
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. He first time he went with in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and he's been traveling, traveling. Beijing
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  Speaker 2: is probably one of the greatest cities in the world,
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  Speaker 2: totally clean, which you can't say for any European city,
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  Speaker 2: maybe Prague or Poland. I believe Poland. I've not been
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  Speaker 2: to Poland. I believe Poland is the old europe clean,
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  Speaker 2: safe and not modern.
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  Speaker 1: Shanghai well, Shanghai is amazing. It is beautifully clean.
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  Speaker 2: Well countries, So Jerm. I mean another big theme I
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  Speaker 2: think is the West is dying. Doesn't mean it's all
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  Speaker 2: going to die, but the West as a whole is
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  Speaker 2: dying and the East is rising.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to just go back to something you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about earlier. This is very very important. You're talking about
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  Speaker 1: RFK and make America healthy again. And yes, something in
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  Speaker 1: you and I talk a lot about is actually health
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, you're a farmer and you're one of
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  Speaker 1: the the I think pivotal farmers in South Africa maybe
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  Speaker 1: in the world, because of your regenerative style, which of
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  Speaker 1: course is very much on the fringe of mainstream agriculture.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: There's only times of agriculture. Gym. It's a binary thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's either destructive or regenerative the ecosystem on your farm
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  Speaker 2: or you are are are healing the ecosystem on your farm.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you break or you're hearing it, you
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  Speaker 2: can't like do you do it halfways? And you are
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  Speaker 2: absolutely right, Germ. It's the marginal. It's a marginal thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I was going to say is okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've been to your farm many times and
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  Speaker 1: it genuinely is beautiful and it's well well run. But
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  Speaker 1: do you think America is healthier than what it.
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  Speaker 2: Was since Rfk's got in. Yes, absolutely not. You're saying
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  Speaker 2: gonna drop him around a billion on region egg which
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  Speaker 2: which is incredible. Okay, But the Norwegian soccer team took
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  Speaker 2: all their meat, milk and eggs that they consumed in
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  Speaker 2: the World Cup to the USA because they don't trust
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  Speaker 2: the quality the ingredients there.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen that that that one footballer that is
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  Speaker 1: he from Norway or Denmark or something. I don't watch it,
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  Speaker 1: but he's this huge guy with blonde hair, Irling Harland,
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  Speaker 1: that's him, and he has a carnivor diet and he's unvaccinated.
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  Speaker 2: He is so hardcore. He's this giant of a man.
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  Speaker 2: He's got the agility of a ball arena, and he's
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  Speaker 2: raw milk, raw food, like proper carnivore. The guy in
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  Speaker 2: Norway who supplies him with raw milk spent fourteen days
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  Speaker 2: in jail because he supplied Harland's that's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, by the way, we can get raw milk.
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  Speaker 2: Global civilization was built on raw milk.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's why the Dutch are so tall. I read
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  Speaker 1: an article about that they drank on average, a lot
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  Speaker 1: more milk than other Europeans over a long period of time,
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  Speaker 1: and apparently it had a significant impact on the overall.
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  Speaker 2: We can go back as far as the Bible. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: there a line in the Bible about the land of
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  Speaker 2: milk and honey?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm but I'm sure it's a
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  Speaker 2: biblical reference to land of milk and but JOm, I
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  Speaker 2: think if we can, we poured on milk at them
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: like the metal. Milk is a perfect metaphor in my
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  Speaker 2: understanding of life as to what has gone wrong in
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  Speaker 2: the world. Okay, I would like us to talk about
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  Speaker 2: Walt Disney and Walt Disney and how that's changed over time,
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  Speaker 2: but that's with your father of Young Children's hat on
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  Speaker 2: which I don't have anymore. But can we come back
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  Speaker 2: to that as a as another thing of how society
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  Speaker 2: has changed the Jungle Book specifically, Yeah, so milk, raw milk.
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  Speaker 2: So do you know what that it has been raw
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  Speaker 2: milk and other milk is Yeah, it's pasteurization, okay, but
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  Speaker 2: it's worse than that. It's it hasn't been pasteurized and
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't been homogenized. Are you familiar with homogenization?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had that lady. What's her name from Western Price.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Sally A. Farrell Sadi And yeah, Sadie Fallon Morale.
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  Speaker 2: She's amazing. I remember listening to you actually speak to her,
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  Speaker 2: and and and and she's her statistics on her fingertips
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  Speaker 2: is what's really impressive. Okay, the the the and how
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  Speaker 2: many raw milk daries and they started, they were they
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: couldn't find twenty five or something in their eyves. Over
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: five thousand. So, Jim, despite what I said earlier about
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: this grabbing and snatching and trying to just suck out
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: as much as you can for the end, there's a
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: very strong and growing counter movement of people who who
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: want the healthy stuff, who prepare to go the extra
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: mouth house stuff. I mean just before the reason I
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: was a bit late for you is some lady who
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: lives in Sedgefield. Now, for people don't know where Sedgefield is,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Sedgefield I think is about six hundred seven six hundred
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: kilometers from here. She was visiting her parents. She said
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: she has she can't find any decent food in the area. Well,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: in Sedgefield, she's actually okay, but in this area she struggles.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Can she come and see the farm? So they've basically
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: with her young kids. She's a young mother. She wants
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: what's best for her children, and she knows that milk
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: coming in a carton which is ultra processed called UHT
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: ultra highly treated milk okay, which is what most of
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the milk becomes. She doesn't want to feed up your kids.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: She's looking for raw milk. So milk has a there's
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: a spectrum of milk. There's raw milk which literally comes
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: out of the cow and is chilled, and you can
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: drink that. In this country, raw milk's allowed, but people
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: put pets milk. Usually on it it says milk for
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: your pets, although in hutting they just say raw milk.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And then at the other extreme you've got that boxed
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: stuff in the tetrapax mm hm. But they have two
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: differences with milk. There's so here's my question. Why do
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: they pasteurize milk.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Well to get rid of the germs? Louis Passenger hated germs.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Why why did they want to get rid of the germs?
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: We change, We changed how we raise the animals. Okay,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a cow by does is a herbival, it's not a
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: grain of all. So what they did, and again America
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: leads the charge with all these things. They took the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: animals off the pasture and put them in urban environment.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: They basically put them in especially around New York City.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They put them in these and the big American cities
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: because they wanted milk right there. So they put these
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: cattle in these layers. The cattle are living in their
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: own manure, and they feed them brewers grain, okay, and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: they milk them regularly. So the animals are under severe stress,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and so they get sick, and their milk is sick.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And their milk has a puss in it. Okay, it's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: called the somatic cell count. You can go to a
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: dairy fifty kilometers from here and you'll see the puss
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and the milk. Okay. So you to make that milk,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: putting it in verted commas drinkable, you have to pasteurize it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: You knuke it, so you kill all bacteria. But so
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: what do you do when you do that? You're just
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you're killing the bad and the good. You've thrown the
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: baby out of the bath water. So so then then
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the next step was that people said, oh, I don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: like the layer of cream on the top. It looks ugly.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: And also sometimes some of the milk had a thin
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: layer of cream and some had a thick layer of cream,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and why did I get this one? And people would
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: go in the shops that always take the one of
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the thicker layer of cream on. Okay, so they said,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: we're not going to do that anymore. They homogenize the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: milk where they shake the milk so much that the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: fat and the protein molecules break and then therefore there's
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: no separation between them, just our margeneous thing. Okay. So
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: now you pour the milk that you can't see the
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: creaminy it doesn't settle, the cream doesn't go to the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: top anymore. So the human body, which co developed with
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: raw milk, can't recognize this. Now people say, I'm lactose intolerant.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Not lactose intolerant, you're intolerant to homogenized milk. So that's
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: why there is increasing support for the raw milk movement,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: but particularly the raw mialk movement that has grass fed
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: grass finished. So these are animals that aren't grass their
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: whole lives. Okay, and that's where Sally Fall in West
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Prices has powerful data to fingertips about the benefits of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: raw milk, the nutritional differences with raw milk versus conventional milk.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And again this is the point Germ. We've taken an
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: animal in South Africa. The end result in South Africa
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: is this that the average years of lactation. So lactation
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: is when a mammals giving milk is two point one times.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So we get an average of two point one lactations
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: out of our dairy herds across South Africa as an average. Okay,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: that animal is capable of giving you ten lactations and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: some have records of fifteen lactations. Okay, So you've taken
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: an animal that can give you ten calves and milk
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: ten times two point one Why because you are first
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the milking her three times a day and the seconds
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you're treating Like a monogastric. Monogastric is one stomach, you
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and I and the pig and the chicken. On monogastrics,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: we have one stomach, which is why we can take
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: in anything. You put anything in us and we'll just chart.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But cattle not monogastrics. They have four stomachs they designed
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to take grass herbivores and produce the meat in the milk.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So we violate their digestive system an exhaust animal, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: then they can only give us that cost. This is
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: where we are today, jem Angus.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: That's a very interesting argument that was put forward to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: me after that interview I did with Sally, and that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is why do humans drink cow's milk? We're the only
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: species that drinks the milk of another species.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: But that's what we've always done. We drink cow's milk,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: we drink camel's milk. We don't goat smoke. Have you
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: how much raw milk have you drunk?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Very little. I drank it as a kid. It's difficult
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to find now.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: You go, it's difficult to find. We were lucky. We
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: spent six months to year on a farm and then
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: six months you're in Cape Town. When we were on
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the farm, when we were ten years old, my dad said,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you have to learn how to milk. It's the hectic
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: thing to try and pull those odders. There's ten year
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: old hands especially, So you get this a little sip
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: tip tip into the thing. Your hands get tired, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the man next year, he's milking and he's making music
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: as that as that milk's going into the thing, and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: we drank that milk. Just it's incredible.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is appropriate or not, but
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: have you ever had have I had your wife's mike?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I think every I think every guy, I think every
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: husband everywhere will answer yes, but very quietly.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Husband who's had kids says no, he's lying, and.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: My wife's pregnant. That's what I'm asking, but no, listen.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: So so no, Jim. That's interesting. And people have said
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: that we're not designed. There's an enzyme that goes away
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: when when h and Yes, one of my kids, for example,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: they bung up if they have dairy, but even raw dairy, okay,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: so they don't do it. I've never had an issue
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: with that. I know friends of mine who've done a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: raw milk fast for forty five days. So what does
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: that mean that for forty five days all they've drunk
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: is raw milk and yogurt and and and that raw
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: milk becomes yogurt, so they have it's either yogurt or milk.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: For forty five days, they lost all the very fat
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: they felt so.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Good design protein and sat fats.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: And if it's raw, it's filled with bacteria. This is
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: what we're not understanding, Germ. We for every human cell
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that we have, there are ten bacterial cells. We are
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: literally walking bacteria. That's what we are. I'm sorry one
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: time to say is that what I'm shocked by is
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: that we as a species can't correct course.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does look like that. I wonder, why do
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you think it's by design?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Germ. Now you're asking a deep question, and I'm not
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that kind of deeper. I don't know if it's by design.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's a it's a fight. I think it's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a fight of good and evil, and it depends, you know.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's a fight of good and evil, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: within that fight there a lot of other little, separate fights.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's systems that have worked and others haven't worked.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And yeah, but I actually think it. I don't think
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: that matters. I ready don't. I'm particularly I'm not that
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: interested in how we got here. I'm interested in we
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: are here now, Okay, right here now, and if we
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: don't course correct. In the words of Andanna Shiva, humans
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: are commanding species. White suicide.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Well, angus, in the spirit of course correcting, I think
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: there are there are little bits of hope. Let me
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: give you an example.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Germ, Germ Germ, there is africaan't expression which which which
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: your your UK column viewers. I'm gonna have to translate
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it right, sakar sunny and s mont smelt me which
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: which says sugar wouldn't melt in his mouth. And this
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: is what Germ Germs putting a picture up of patties
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: that I only make for him. So that's why we
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: call him the Germ Patty.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And well, they're certainly healthy. They're healthy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Tell me patties will sell in a shop necessarily, it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: not a given name.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: So so we had these over the weekend. You made
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: them last week, take me through then. They were absolutely delicious.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: My dad says they're the best burger patties he's ever had.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Your dad very sweet. So yes. So the we farm
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: on a farm outside Stellos. Uh Germ has blessed us
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: with his presence a few times. We do lots of
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: things on the farm. The first thing is we've banned
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the word sustainability, and I think it's really important framework
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: to work from because I don't believe there's anything in
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the world to sustain today, and Germ, you always challenge me,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and I'd like you to challenge me on that statement.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: What in the world do we want to sustain today?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: And I was keep it at current levels?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Well, what do I want to sustain? Well, we want
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to sustain our health, our good health. It's a very
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: broad question.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Healthy however, so healthy, the human race has got cancer,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: rat which or parabolic. It's got plastic in its bodies.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Male sperm cancer fallen off a cliff, female aircounts for
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: off clif what do you want to sustain that for.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: We've got What you're saying is there's very little I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: understanding very little.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know of anything, not one thing. And this
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: is what I'm challenging people to do. What is the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: one thing that that we need to sustain in the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: world today? So, therefore, our philosophical framework is regenerative. Okay,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: So if everything has to be done better, everything one
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: of our systems has to make things better. Uh, everything
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: we do is in the philosophy regenerative framework. Okay, Sorry,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: during one second, do you want to charge that I
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: don't know you're in his house, and in his and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: in his studio. Okay, but in his house, in his house, okay, cool. Yeah,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So no sustainability regenerative. How do we do that. One
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: of the things is what's called stacking, So it's multiple
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: income streams from the same piece of land with conventional
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: agriculture as a monoculture, just do one thing. And I
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: often think, you know, like I've even got friends of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: mine who have factories in Cape Ton, so now they've
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: covered their factories with solar panels because it's another source
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: of income from the same piece of land. So it's
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: a diversity thinking, right. So one of the things that
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: we do, and I'm not going to bore you with
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: what all the other things we do, one of the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: things we do is do grass fed grass finished beef.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: So what it means is that animals have never eaten
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: any grain. They are raised on grass and they die
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: off the grass. And so that that's the first thing
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: about that patty. The second thing about the patty is
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: germ has a great affinity for black pepper, which I
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: can't understand and I don't share it. But but if
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you look at that picta, you will see that the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: crust on the outside is not a crust of crusty meat,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: which it does do you after a long time, But
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: it's actually a crust of black pepper and germ. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: have to and and and all the white is fat
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that's busy melting because those patties are not being turned yet.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: That is where the taste comes from. Though of course,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: This is what people don't understand, is the nutrition is
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: in the fat. Yes, of course there's nutrition in the meat,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: but there are real nutritions in the fat. And this
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: is where ninety nine of beef is feed lot beef.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: So these animals stand in their own manure and they
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: eat grains and expire chocolate and pusta and whatever it is.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: But they they the fat there. It has incredibly high
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: omega sexes, so amiga six to three ratio is completely out,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: and therefore the meat is hardly inflammatory. So again German
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: brings you on. One of our favorite subjects we like
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: talking about, is that true costa counting, the management accounted
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: by training and and and yet we never ever were
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: taught about even that, So that that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Right there is something that I've never forgotten. I think
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the very first time we chatted you spoke about that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I mentioned the price of your your farm's eggs being
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: slightly more premium than other eggs, and your response was, okay,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: but what is the cost of your health? And that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: had a profound impact on me because then it made
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: me realize absolutely, yes, if you eat healthier, you're less
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: likely to spend money on clinics, on clinics and hospitals
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and doctors.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: So, Jim, let's talk about me. I know, you're dressed
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: in black and you've got a black background and it's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: you know, it's pretty dark there. Let's talk about some
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: some things that give hope for the future.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on all the way. There's one very important
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: thing you forgot out. You forgot about your paddies, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that's you don't add water. This is very important.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if you want to know what I don't add,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: that's that's the least of the hassles. You need to
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: understand that that the goal of the meat industry, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I've had a butchery for thirteen years. A god of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the meat industry is to add as much water. One
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: of the goals a right is to add as much
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: water to a product as possible so you can sell
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: water at meat prices. Okay, the chicken industry allows brining
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: of hens right where they inject the chickens with a
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: brine water. The guys who've got the record, and I'm
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: not going to name them, do one hundred and brin Wow. Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: just think about that. So my mask actually eating that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: isn't my strong point. But I think I think that
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: means if it's a if it's a one point to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: killo chicken breast, only five and a grams is chicken?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Think So anyway, whatever it's one point to no, no, sorry,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: mass isn't quite.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't matter the point is that very little,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: very little of the chicken is actually chicken.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Correct. Now, the law in South Africa says you can't
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: do more than twenty five percent. There's a law that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: says you can't do more than twenty five percent. So
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you will often find if you buy a whole chicken
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: in a shop that the wishbone. When we were kids,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: we always used to have a fight over over pulling
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: out the wishbone. And then you know, one guy's one
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: hand and another and whoever pulls the wishbone apart and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: gets the bone, you know that, you know what I'm
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: talking about. The wishbone looks like a y with a
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: little thing at the bottom. So if you get the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: little stump, you don't get the wish, but if you
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: get the big parts, you get the wish. There's always
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a fight at home about who can get to fight
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: over the wishbone. A lot of these chickens, you'll find
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the wishbones already broken. Now that's broken because the injection
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: mechanism that injects into the breast sometimes hits that bone
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: at the front to then inject the brand into the breast.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: So so getting water into meat at meat prices is nirvana.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: The and and and the chemical that enables that is phosphate.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So that's that's why we don't use phosphates because we
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: don't add water chaining our products.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, but the result is that the.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Sow hold on one point so so so conventional patties
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: will shrink. Not everybody in a conventional patty adds all
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: of those things, but especially the fresh patties that you
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: buy at the Great Green retailer who will go unnamed,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: but they have the same coloring as you do. Uh,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: they add not only water to their fresh patties, but
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you'll see it says gluten and that's wheat brand because
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: that also holds a lot of water. So food science
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: is a super interesting but super deceitful a practice because
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: all the guys are trying to do and again we've
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: got to talk about, you know, hal we we don't
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: want to talk about how we got to but the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: capitalist system is so extractive. I had the biggest food
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: company in South Africa visit me a few months ago,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: and I'm a tiny, tiny, little farmer, I have to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: tell that. But these guys are literally the biggest food
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: company in the country, and I don't know why they
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: came to see me. Someone has just said come and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: you know, shake your cages a little bit. So we
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: talked about regenitive stuff, which is way out of their
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: frame of reference. But I asked them about their businesses
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and they said, we are under such extreme pressure from
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: one government not to increase our prices and two retail,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: big retail will not last increase prices. So the only
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: way we can increase profitability because their costs are going up,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: are by cheapening our ingredients and making those other ingredients
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: use more. So it's a super interesting scenario. That we're in.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: What makes me super hopeful is we are getting close
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: to being able to measure nutrient density. Okay, I'm going
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to share a I'm just going to send it to
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you on what's happened. Maybe I'm just after the core,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: but there's a very, very interesting a farmer, citrus farmer
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: in America who I believe worked for Bayer for fifty
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: seven years, so conventional, hardcore, conventional, took over advice on
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: how to grow oranges and maybe even grew some. I'm
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: shore those details. By the point is he was more
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: than thirty years in the chemical citrus industry. He got
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: a farm, he's kept one little portion of the farm
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: conventionally citrus, and the rest he has converted to regenitive citrus. Okay,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: so what he's done is here, I'm going to quickly
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: show you off my screen one picture which I then
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: send the proper one to you on WhatsApp. But basically,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: what he's done is he's kept a control, which is
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: this one in the middle, and then there are the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: regenerative ones. And if you look at all the little oranges,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the regenerative ones, for example, on a thing called hespirridden
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: which helps blood flow, brain, cognition, memory reduces hot information.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: He's got thirty nine times more hespuraden than the conventional,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: which is on his own farm. It's the control block
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: on his own farm. So my hope is that we
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: are going into a world and I mean speak regularly
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: to guys who invest in lots of different agricultural startups.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: We're getting closer and closer to be able to measure
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: nutrient density. And I promise you, Deram, the day that
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: happens is the entire agricultural system will fall away, because
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the agricultural system of today is only producing for quantity,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: not for quality. And as soon as we can eat
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: healthier foods, we will be a healthier society.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I mean we can be healthy still.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: What with with with with pest aside laden food that's empty?
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I mean we have to be
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: we have to obviously choose our battles. We've got to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: be very careful where we get our food from. Sure,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: like some farmer angus.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Foods not foods obviously not the only thing. You know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: it's what you do? What what is giving you meaning
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: in life? How do you treat other people? What do
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: you drink? Dude? Water is critical.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on speaking.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I actually thought about that photograph the other day.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: So there's happiness and drinking.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I don't always go hand in hand, but in that case,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: they did that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Just quickly. For those who don't know the context.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: That was nearly three years almost three years ago. Now, wow,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: jerm that photograph was at my fiftieth and I celebrated
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: with what's called a beefsteak and the beef steak. Sorry,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I celebrated with a pre nineteen twenty five or nineteen
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: fifty beef steak, which was a beer beef and boys,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: no women, no vegetables, and no hard alcohol and.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: No cut three no cut three either, sorry.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: No cuttery, Yeah, I definitely no cuttery. That's why we
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: had these lovely aprons, which you can see mine is
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: really dirty at the bottom.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And so you gave each one of us an apron
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: with our name on it. You gave us a beer
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: glass with our name on it and a metal spoon.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, do you still have any of them?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Yes? My wife, My wife drinks out of my beer glass.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: She drinks water out of it all the time.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Well, at least your son's not drinking out of it yet.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean that was that was a full
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: carnivore evening. Hey, coniv we only we only had we
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: only had meat that you shot and then of course beer.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah amazing. So yeah, I did that from my for
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: my fiftieth intend doing it for every decade. My daughter
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: is still very unamused that she's never been invited, but.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: It allows to have conversations we otherwise wouldn't.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me, but.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on, hold on, holden. So the interesting adendum
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: there is actually you're talking about things that that are healthy.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And this is something that the covid era definitely impacted
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: in all the wrong ways. They told us to stay
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: away from healthy people. They stayed us to be indoors,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: they sold us. They told us to be out of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the sun. They still do that. Now we must be
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: afraid of the sun. You know, something as simple as
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: having friends and celebrating with your friends and having a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: good time. Those things are healthy. And it's weird that
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: we have to actually say it, but we have to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: say it these days because everybody, I mean, I saw
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I saw a statistic that's something like something like of
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: all Americans take antidepressants.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm surprised as that low I really am, I
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: really am? Do you take statins? Am I allowed to
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: ask that question?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: You can ask I don't take anything, okay. I stopped
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: taking all pharmaceutical stuff around twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Another thing that's super hopeful for me is, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: on that subject, I'm just quickly sending you this before
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I forget the orange the orange thing, which is amazing.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Another thing that for me super hopeful is that cholesterol
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: is being taken on.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Finally.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: There's a brilliant documentary called The Cholesterol Code, which was
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: published within the last month. I'm not sure if you've
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: familiar with that. If you're if your doctor tells you
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: you've got high cholesterol, it's a problem, d da, da,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: da da.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: But how on Tim Noaks has been saying this, He's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: been saying this on my show for years.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: But these are these are things that are fundamental that
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: support the society. You have to take statins, you know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: cholesterols are problem. It's for me wonderful that these narratives
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: are slowly but surely being challenged. It really is. The
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: The other thing I was on that note, which has
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: been very interesting for me, was yesterday, I'm not sure
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm assuming you've seen all these Fauci diaries. Well, question,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: do you think they fake or do you think he
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: actually wrote them?
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: At this stage, I don't know. That's I'll just say
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that for now, I don't know yet. I think there's
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of fabrication. I'll say that there's a huge
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: amount of fabrication.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: But dude, the guy is so hubristic. I think they
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: actually are true. He's that arrogant and that misguided, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: he was in that position of power for so long,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: and he got away with a z T.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: He got away with the whole Yeah, the whole HIV
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: AIDS thing.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: The thing got away with literal murder, and so you
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: just got more and more and more feeding on his
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: own lies and the whole system supporting him and sickophantics,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and so I mean, there's a possibility that they're fake,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: or maybe they're embellished.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think they're fake. I don't think
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: they're fake, but I think there's fabrication.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be anyway. But what I'm saying is one
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: of the interesting things about it is this guy was
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: writing yesterday going that every single thing that fought she
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: said was wrong, and yet almost everyone who believed him
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: and went with him and attack their friends who are
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: questioning the narratives are silent. And this guy argues that
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: it's because it's because of the principle of load bearing beliefs,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: which is one I've never heard before, which is that
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: it is so central to your belief system that if
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you accept that that is wrong, then then everything's wrong.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, there is a big focus on Faci
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and Sasha atop Over. Many Mike Eat and many others
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: on my podcast have said that he's not a good man,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: and you certainly be involved in a lot of bad stuff,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: but there is a but the constant focus on him
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: is a bit of a low hanging fruit because he
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't actually driving the whole thing. So so by focusing
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: on him, you you you kind of you're kind of
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: doing a look look over, yeah, look over. Yeah.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I agree. I completely agree the first part that you
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: you've got an Overton window, and let's fight about Faci.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: There's a whole criminals also involved them, but he was
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: very important in that. Can you cannot downplay his role?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Jim sure, sure is? He and Deborah they were in
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that White House all the time.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Debra Burks is very, very pivotal. Most people don't know
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: who she is.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Well, there's the point. He engates all the time speaking
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: about it. Okay, what I don't understand is from these
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: notes it appears that Trump lost his actually lost with him,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: screamed and shouted and was fearious. But now Trump's since
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: then he came in that operation warp speed was a
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: great thing. The thing, so yes, the thing that really
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: bugs me. That again, all the focus on Fauci and
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: others and Wuhan and biolabs, all of this also deflects
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: from Trump himself and the DoD. So Trump never ever
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: gets pointed fingers at, and he should because he promotes
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: a warp speed. Correct, Jim, I don't know how much
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: time we've got. I do want to ask you, though, sure,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: and why in your analysis was this a do O
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: D operation? What? What did DoD benefit from COVID? I
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: just can't I understand it's a d D thing, And
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I understand Sashal actually Pover's reasoning completely. I don't disagree
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: with that. I still want to understand why would they
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: do it? Why would they want to wipe out so
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: many millions? Of their own people.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: No, it's more about surveillance. That's that's ultimately what some
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: of some of the pundits are arguing that they're increasing
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the surveillance state, and and and and something to think
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: about here in South Africa. When the president went on
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: TV to announce the lockdowns, in less than one hour,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: the military were already out in the townships and and
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: in all the in all the well, we call them townships.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So for those that don't know, I don't know if
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: it's an international term, but what what's the what's what
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: would be an international term? A shanty town?
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Shanty town possibly, yeah, informal settlement.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: In yeah, so like basically where all the poor people
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: are all right? Uh. And and they had all the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: military vehicles already already out in those areas within an hour.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And I know this because people were sending me WhatsApp
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: videos of these vehicles arriving with armed gunmen on them. Now,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: if it if there was no military involvement, why was
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: this happening m and so fast?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: That that's that is a plausible explanation, is that it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: it was it was actually the two with which to
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: grab control.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: And and certainly I think that in many ways it
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: failed and I and I am very hopeful in that sense,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: because I don't see these agendas as all powerful. I
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: see them as attempts, and in many ways they succeed.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: But also in many ways, Angus, they fail. The truckers
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in Canada miserable failure. In Africa, Africans will never ever failure. Yeah, well,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, okayvailable.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: People almost on a daily basis. I think there might
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: be some people who'd go with it, but they're certainly
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: very strong resistance. But what is interesting, though, is that
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: mainstream media have gone even tighter and tighter and tighter
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: and tighter. I mean, mainstream media is so obviously controlled
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: by the insurance, the intelligence agencies. They it's amazing, so tightening.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: They've just got tight and tight and tighter. They're actually
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: even more out of touch with the average man on
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the street.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: And something that I think it was I think it
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: was Katherine Austen Firs who pointed out during the COVID
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: era part of the surveillance capture attempt was also the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: vaccine passport. There was a huge amount of data being processed.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Never forget that I didn't partake in that. I didn't
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: even get a fake vaccine passport because I don't want
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to legitimize the system at all. But I know lots
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: of people did mm hmm. And that also, I don't
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: know if you did. And and I'm not going to
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: cost judgment. I think people responded differently at the time.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: But I remember thinking at the time, I get it,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you want to travel something, You're going to get a
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: fake vaccine passward. But but but down the line, you
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: were still handing over your data. That was for me
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: the issue. You were still legitimizing the whole thing.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Some people so it all of beens hard was done. Yes,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: some people had this entirely fake creation which had wasn't
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: even remotely tied in to to their to their system. Yeah,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: it's a very interesting question. I think a lot of
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: people who had the fake thing done, they were like,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gaming the system. I'm not going to let the system,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: you know, impact on my freedom. I want to travel.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I want to travel.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Well, we we decided, you know, my wife and the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: two of us decided at the time that if this
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: is it, then this is it. Then we're going to
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: travel our own country. We'll have to visit your farm,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: a whole lot more. But thankfully that didn't That wasn't
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: the case. It didn't, it didn't pan out, and we
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: were able to, you know, that everything opened up again
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: because I think a lot of it was a failure.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: People here, particularly in the on the African continent, gave
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: big middle fingers.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Huge There are only six percent of the African continent
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: got the JAB, and of those, the only clowns who
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: got the job get the JAB with the petrified upper class,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: so called educated people. You know, I'm still shocked that
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: people in this country even took it, because we were
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: six months behind the US and America, and by then anybody,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: anybody who had any interest could read very clearly that
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: there were major problems, were the side effects of it,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: huge problems, and people still did it. Well.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that we're going to have something
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: similar coming again, but it's going to take a different form.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I think climate lockdowns are on their way.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Could be, right, can I Yeah, yesterday I had a
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: group of school kids visiting me grade eleven children, so
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: that makes them seventeen and I mean I farmed visits
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: almost every day. And then some university students can't visit me.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: A month or two ago, who are studying ecologicals and
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: climate science and all that kind of stuff. So to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: all of them, I said, we live in a world
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: where we are told the world's going to end. There's
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: too much co to. Humans are causing co to. We've
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: got to change. So I said to them, which gas
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: do farmers pump into greenhouses to help plants grow? And
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: not one of them said CO two. So I said
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: CO two and germ. You know the quote from the
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: American chess player Bobby Fisher. I love the moment when
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I break a man's ego so so so it wasn't
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: quite as extreme as that, But that's the first time
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: that I'm going to finish it with the story. And
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: that's the first time that you see like there's a
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: little frown that develops, and that and that. But but
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: hold on all this fear porn. My whole life is
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: over a gas that they pump into greenhouses to help
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: plants grow. And what the plant does. The plant takes
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: the sea and gives us the O two. Thank you plants,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: You're amazing. You give us life. Give us O two.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: That's the first question I always asked them. Second question
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I asked them is what percentage of the atmosphere is
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: CO two? Do you know?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's something like zero point zero four
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: percent or something.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Bang on jerm you get gold stars, you get five
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: gold stars. That answer, it's absolutely correct. So how is
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: it possible that's something that's hamishous cottage? How is it
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: possible that something that is zero comma zero four percent
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: is so dangerous? Let's double it zero comma zero eight.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: So just that premise alone, I don't understand. I'm not
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: mathematically inclined, and maybe I'm belittling the impact statistically or
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: something like that, but I just logically or can't see it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: So that's what gives me hope, is that young people
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: like that are going, oh, we've been feared into this belief.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not actually what it is.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a nice, neat pretty way to
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: conclude our conversation. Give me, give me something, Give me
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: something nice and pretty, angus, Jim.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: The sun is the source of life. We are privileged
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: to be living today in it where we are. Sun
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: is just our source, and we must engage with the sun.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: And and remember healthy food is liquid sun. It's been captured.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: So let's get in the sun. Let's not be afraid
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: of the sun. Let's love the sun.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, how can I follow you?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Uh Instagram, the farmer Angus, TikTok farmer Angus, those are
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: the most active there of a website. Farmer Angus, do
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: and come and visit us. Our doors always open. Once
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: a month we do on a Sunday tour because some
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: people can't see using that we coming out. As I said,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: you had two this morning, a tree yesterday, this coming
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Sunday eating a farm tour. Literally, our door is always open.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I'm laughing because recently I interviewed David Klatz, so we
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: spoke about the Helderberg air disaster, which you must listen to.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: But he's he's very old school, and at the end
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: of the conversation I said to him, I can I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: follow you? And he says, I don't really know what
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: you mean by that. Farmer Hangers, thank you for joining
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: me in the Drenchers.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Such a pleasure in being part of your information warfare game.