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PAX East 2026: Game Tank Console, Daggerheart & Crimson Desert AI Art · Multiple Nerdgasm

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Recording And now I can start with I hate you, Matt.
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Yeah, I know. Yeah, you got to go to PAX East.
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I did very. Jealous again?
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Yeah, you said my name. Because we keep forgetting to do
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this. We need to do this.
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I'm Matt. That's.
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Luke. I'm Luke, yes.
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OK, you keep forgetting to do that.
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It's confusing to people apparently.
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Apparently we sound the same to people, which fucking baffles me
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because I really don't think so, but.
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I'm shocked by this. Welcome to multiple Nerdgasm, a
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comedy show about all things nerdy.
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Yeah, I feel like especially people tell me here, oh, you
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don't have an accent. It's like, yeah, because that's
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because I'm talking to you. Actually, we had this
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conversation with some people I met on the weekend and packs
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because they didn't notice at first that I had an accent.
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And then I think too, once it comes up, I think I go, Oh yeah,
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I do have an accent, mate. Whereas I know that when I'm
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over there, I'm picked up having an accent straight away.
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Yeah, but they don't know where you're from.
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No. No.
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No, I get confused. I'm.
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The same but. Like even when I was in Vietnam,
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it was like England's I got done for South African.
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Oh yeah, Yep. There's something wrong.
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New Zealand. New Zealand.
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Some New Zealand accents are close, some are not.
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Though if it's a very thick New Zealand accent I feel like it
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should be fucking obvious. Yeah, the only thing you need to
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check is, is what they call micro anesky and a cooler.
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That's a cooler. That's a chili bin.
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Yeah, chili bin. Chili bin and matchbox cars.
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They call them Dinkies. They call them Dinkies in New
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Zealand. Dinkies in New Zealand?
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Yep. There you go.
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What do you call a drinking fountain?
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A bubbler. Yeah, see, that wouldn't get you
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far here though, because in Rhode Island they call them
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bubblers too. I didn't realise.
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No, that yeah, we share that for some reason.
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Rhode Island. No one else, just Rhode Island.
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I mean, could be a New England thing.
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Could be. I don't know what I expect.
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Well. It's sort of hard because
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America is so different. Just when it's split up like the
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yeah different every state you go.
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Yeah, Australia is a bit too, but not, I feel, not to that
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degree, no. No, it's.
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Wild differences here. Yeah, state to state.
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It's very funny. But yeah, I did go to PAX.
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I went to PAX East Ohio. My volume is too loud.
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I think I'm peeking out. I'm going to turn me down a
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little bit. Go and.
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PAX East. Tell me, how was it?
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It's very good. General vibes.
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Check dash, I call it that. Maybe I shouldn't say that.
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Are you a millennial? Yeah, it sounds like I'm trying
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to be younger than I am. No, no.
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OK, I had a nice time. That's not good.
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That's what you want. Yeah, it's, it feels smaller
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still. I've said this before.
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Yeah, it feels smaller than it used to, especially, you know,
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we used to travel from Australia to the US, which, I mean, you're
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going to do it again at some point.
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But yeah, we used to do that often to go to packs until we
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had our own packs, and then it was kind of slightly less
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incentive to do that. Yeah.
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And that was because you had huge games.
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Yes, at these events. And that's not so much the case
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anymore. No, they're sort of gone.
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I know. Did you have Nintendo there?
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Nintendo seems the one that's still hanging around.
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Nintendo was there, They had Super Mario Wonder and two new
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Pokémon things that I was like, OK, I don't play Pokémon games,
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but yeah, OK, cool. They're big lines for them.
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Obviously I'm in the wrong. I just wasn't.
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Interested. No, it's the same at PAX
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Australia. The lines are very long for the
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Nintendo booths and it's just not for me.
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Yeah, Super Mario wonder looks good, but I'll just play it.
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I don't need to yeah preview it, but but like yes, a smaller
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scale, no Xbox, no PlayStation yeah, not even tiny build this
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year. OK.
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Which is Oh no, they've been confused with.
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Yeah, they've been making an appearance of few of the past.
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Just packed Australia they've been.
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Like half the show floor, like a couple of times Blumhouse games
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with their their biggest thing. I think the Halloween game is
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coming out. They had a big thing that looks
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like the the house the is. It going to be like one of these
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one the the four type of things. Yeah, it doesn't interest me.
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No, like I played the Halloween add on for yeah, I played the
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app packs actually a couple of years ago and it was fun in that
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it was very cool when the music started yes and he would like
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walk out from behind something you hope for.
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That was a cool moment. But the those games in general?
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Not for me. I played them like once a year
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and it's because my niece plays them.
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And at Christmas time I'll install it and play.
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It's. Yeah, it's not, it's not for me.
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I I don't get it. I'm evidently pretty good at it,
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though. Oh.
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OK. But I just good not for me,
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'cause you're gonna play with people.
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I. Mean it looks fine like you know
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yeah I've watched some people play I just didn't I couldn't be
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you know I I knew it wasn't for me so I was like I'm.
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Not yeah. The whole thing is you need to
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organise, to play with people you know, to really get the most
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enjoyment out of it. Yes, and we're old and we don't
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have time for that. No.
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So not at all. And also, I guess as you get
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older, you learn like, no, no, no.
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My tastes are set in stone at this point.
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I know I'm not gonna like that. So.
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So I looked, I wandered around, I looked for things that I knew
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I would enjoy, and I found some I will talk about.
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Excellent, I made some friends. As I said, shout out in
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particular to Echo and DJFCI. Don't know DJFCS real name.
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I know Echo's real name. I'm not going to say it though,
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just in case he doesn't want me to do that.
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Yep. I don't know my new.
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Friends from Bobo. Bobo is the Boston Online
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Broadcaster Association. Make sure I say that correctly.
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And they are like Twitch partners and stuff from the
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area, roughly the area, Yep. I'm not going to say where
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exactly they're from. I'm gonna guess.
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Listen, Boston. That's where we were.
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But I was at the Voodoo Ranger booth and what the fuck is going
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on? Yeah, Voodoo Ranger booth was
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great, but I So Jenna has been in Romania, as you probably
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know, don't know. The witnesses know that she was
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arriving back on Friday. Yeah, I was at PAX already.
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It's a big ass to go from a trip like that to PAX.
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She made it most of the time, so we.
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So I went to PAX on Friday, wandered around, did some stuff,
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and then I was like, OK, it's getting closer to the time when
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I've got to go meet her, the station.
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So I am. So let's go have a couple of
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beers at the video Ranger. Yeah.
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And so I'd stayed by myself and checking my phone, doing things,
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socials, whatnot. And yeah, they were kind enough
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to approach me and engage me or Echo in particular came and
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engaged me in conversation. And then we ended up talking for
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I don't even know how long. The place was fucking empty.
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When when we eventually left, we were talking and I turned around
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and went, oh, there's no one here.
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That's what I like about PAX. Yeah, yeah.
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You can't just strike. Always be good people.
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Yeah. So anyway, shout to those guys.
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Yeah, it was awesome meeting you and hope to see you again.
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Yeah. And check out the Boston Online
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Broadcasters Association. Boba.
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Broadcast Boba. Yeah, check out Boba.
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Check out links in the show Not Yeah Games.
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Yes. I played some games.
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Anything interesting? Pax Rising?
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No, just. Yeah, Pax Rising great had a few
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things. I think Noor comes out.
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Noor is a game I played at PAX Rising that I liked.
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It's like a Metroidvania style game where you play as a
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dinosaur. I've leaked it here in the show.
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Stop the band. That's gua gua.
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This is Noor. Noor.
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Coming soon? I thought they said coming very
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soon but I don't see a date on the steam page.
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So. I will.
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I will leave that to them to announce that.
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We're not announcing it here first.
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No, it was very good. It's like, you know, I like
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these games, the animation and the and the the like.
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The art style in this is appealing to me.
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It looks fun. I played it a little bit on the
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Steam Deck that they had there. Yep.
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Which was double duty because I got to play a Steam Deck, but I
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don't get to do that very often. Yeah, it's cool.
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You're a Dino. It's Metroidvania.
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You kill enemies and then you eat them.
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And then you can when you eat stuff, you can then power up and
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heal yourself. And also.
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Yeah, it's got boss fights. Yeah.
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You know all the things that you.
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Know it does look very colorful and fun.
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Yeah, yeah, it's quite like you can see the animation, the
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animation style, it's very good. It's not like it looks very
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polished and. Say a little red dinosaur.
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Yeah, you can play basketball. Yes.
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I'm just looking at the screenshots.
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So yeah, that was a good one. PAX Rising was very small.
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I don't know if it's always small or it just, I don't know
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what's going on with me this year.
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So the other thing is they did a comic about this.
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They did a strip about it. Penny Arcade do not.
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They did not do any of the Q&A panels this year.
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For the first time, they were doing them without Mike.
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It's just Jerry and and Chris Straub, which was different, but
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still good because this is funny and it was, you know, it was
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fun. Mike was there this year.
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Well, OK. But they did not do a any Q&A's.
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They did the make a strip and then that was it.
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And I thought that was weird and then they but then they did a
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comic just in the last couple of weeks about how somebody calling
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911 saying hello, help, my friend just found out what the P
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and A in Pakistan for and he's collapsed onto the floor.
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And they're like, they're on the phone.
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They're like, what does the PA stand for?
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And they're 6 penny Arcade. And they're like, you mean that
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irreverent comic from the 90s and 2000s?
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Yes, that's what the the convention was half about when
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we went. Well, yeah, but yeah, they don't
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come to Australia anymore. Neither of them.
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No. Oh, I didn't realise that.
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Yeah, they haven't. Been it's a long trip.
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Yeah, it's a long trip and Australia is sort of turned into
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its own little thing. And I think they are sort of
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stepping aside because the show, I mean, as we learned, I think
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Jenna and I and I forget who was with us, learned the year that
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Markiplier was at PAX. We didn't know who the fuck
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Markiplier was, but they didn't know who the fuck Michael Jerry
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were. So we went to go into the main
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theatre and there's a huge line and we said, oh, is this the
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line for the Q&A? And then the guy was like, no,
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it's the line for Markiplier. You can just.
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You can head straight on in. Oh.
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Yes. It's changed a lot.
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Yeah, Markiplier, because I know he made a movie.
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Yes, that's why more we're the fools, all right?
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He's obviously big news now, but yeah, no fucking idea.
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I watched the movie. It wasn't.
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Yeah. It was like a horror movie,
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right? It was a horror movie, but I
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think there's a lot of the story missing if you haven't played
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the game. There's a game, I said.
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Yes, it's based on a game. I forget what game it's based
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on. Well, it's probably just the
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name of the movie, which I can't remember.
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But yeah, it's Iron Lung. Iron Lung.
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So yeah, I wasn't quite aware of what I was walking into at all,
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what was happening. So it gets it's packs just feels
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a bit different for that reason, because it's just that's always
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been a big part of it for me was like, first of all, interacting
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with those guys because they they walk around a bunch and and
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just seeing the those panels just because we were big fans of
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the comic. So I don't know it's.
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Just. It's just different that that's
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not a thing anymore, yeah. They're they're not really, it's
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still got their name. You know, I don't still ever get
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rid of the name. I think it's going to, it's
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still going to be. Called PAX.
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But like, like the people like the comic says, people don't
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know why it's called PAX. No, it's just called Pax.
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Pax. Yeah.
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So anyway, another game I really like the look of and I will link
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in the shows again is it's called Another Pint and this is
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a Tavern Yodi Medieval like role-playing game, Tavern style
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management game. OK.
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Where you literally make it's got really in depth character
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creation where you make your character and then you run and
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be build out and run a Tavern in a, you know, role-playing
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fantasy setting. You can choose like what it
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looks like and you know, like all the details about, you know,
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you design your Tavern and then you you run the Tavern like you
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pour drinks and stuff like that. And this is all at night when
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everyone's coming in. And then during the day you go
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out into this kind of smallish world area and do quests and get
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resources and stuff to improve the Tavern.
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OK. And it just looks great.
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Like I really like the visual style of it.
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And I just think it's, yeah, it just seems really cool.
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It reminds me of the Bard, that sort of look.
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No, not the Bard. 'S tail.
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Bard's Tail. Yeah, yeah, and also like a
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better looking version of Balding Gate 2.
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Yeah, like baldness Gate 3 perhaps?
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Yes. I don't know.
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I haven't played it yet, so I've got to go back to what I know.
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Yeah. No, no, it is.
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It's like an isometric sort of. So the game, yeah.
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But yeah, it's great. It looks really fun.
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It they are from Bulgaria to Bulgarian development team,
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which I said, oh, cool. And he said no, not really.
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And I said, well, it's interesting.
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It's interesting to me, yes. And I think I've been a game
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developer from Bulgaria before. So no, I think that would be a
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first. Yeah, yeah, he was.
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He was really nice. So yeah, I'm going to check this
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out. You can Wish.
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Listed on Steam now. No release date yet.
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No. But the discord is up and
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running. You can join that you can wish
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this on Steam and they have had via the discord kind of testing
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weekends where you can check it out.
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But I don't, I have no, I'm not Privy to any of their plans
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regarding that in future. So that don't tell them I said
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you could play it or whatever, but.
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Tell them. Tell them you can tell.
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Them. He's not going to give a shit.
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Yeah, cool game. I liked it.
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And what else have we got here? Oh yeah.
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Have you ever seen this? Right.
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This is. I was like, baffled by this.
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Have you ever heard of the Omara scent display?
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Did they have ever had this at Paxos?
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I can't say no. So have you ever wanted to smell
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a game? While you I've I thought this
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was just one of those things that AI made-up that was like.
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No, this is real. I've seen it.
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I've seen it. Oh God.
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So this is interesting. So we were a little disappointed
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because I feel like the version of this that I would want is not
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quite what this is. It's cool.
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Anyway, so this is literally a device.
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If you click through, you'll see it.
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That thing, that thing with the green looking eyes on it.
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Yep, that's a device. And you put it on a stand like
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this mic. It sits here in front of you.
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And then? And the way it works currently
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is it's got room for, I think he said.
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Six cartridges maybe might be more than that.
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I think it's at least 6 cent like smells in it.
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OK. As you're playing the game, it
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can release. Smell.
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So when you walk into a forest, it'll sort of give you a forest.
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No, no, you. All you could do that, that's
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what I want. I want ambient smell that's what
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Jenna. The first question Jenna had was
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like, oh, is it like an ambient thing?
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And he was like, well, no, actually it's not the way that
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it's been implemented in everything so far is that it's
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part of gameplay. It's.
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Like a. Gameplay thing, not an ambience
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thing. So for example, one of the games
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they had on was a game where you have to smell cups to detect
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poison. Well, OK.
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And so the smell indicates what's in the cup kind of thing,
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which is like, oh, OK, that's not really what I would want.
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I would more want to be a. Very niche market for like.
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If I'm playing cyberpunk and I walk into a like a a noodle
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restaurant in. Yeah, night.
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City, I wanna smell the food and the you know, and the beer and
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the like that's. What I was thinking, Oh, that.
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'D be cool. It can't do that.
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Can't do that. Yeah.
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Because I think it'd be awesome if like, yeah, you're just
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walking around and you go from like a forest to snow or
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something. And that just changed the way.
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Yeah, you smell like the flowers and the and the.
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Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean, maybe one day.
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Yeah, it's still going to be very early technology.
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Yeah, and it's, I mean, and watching people play it, they
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like they have to lean into to, to smell and stuff like that.
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It's, it's cool. Don't get me wrong.
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It's very impressive and I feel like maybe one day we'll get
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that kind of stuff that we're talking about.
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Yeah. It's just that when I first saw
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it that that was immediately what I thought was that like, I
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will just smell the environment that I'm in.
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Yeah, no. No, it's not not that flexible.
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There is one thing I'm happy that I won't sell, like the the
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stench of death or anything. No, because that could make the
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stench of death less nauseating. And you kind of like, get a
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sense of it. Like they smell the the sulphur
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in Diablo. Yeah.
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And like, yeah. I think yeah, yeah, they're
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hanging. Around.
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Flesh, I think that, yeah, this I think is going to be very
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early on in their development, I would say.
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I mean, I'd never heard of it. So I guess yeah, we'll see.
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Hopefully it's successful and they do get more advanced
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because I think it's cool. But it's not quite what we want.
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No, I want for like when we're wandering around Elder Scrolls 6
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and we can smell the horse, we're already gone.
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Yeah, yeah. Or like if I'm playing Dune, you
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know, if I'm, if I'm out in the desert and I'm mining spice, I
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can smell them alone. But it'd be very hard and it
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just. Puts me into a literal trance.
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It'd be very hard to sort of do it for so many games.
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Well, that's what that's the thing.
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You can, you can. There's like AAI believe I think
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this is what he said. Don't go.
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OK, this is off my old man brain.
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Mm hmm. There's a like a base package of
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smells. Yeah, right.
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Or you can work with them to develop.
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A custom, yeah, but I think that's where it'll need to sort
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of go towards. Yeah, they get.
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But there's a limit to how many there can be in there.
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So it's not you can't just have everything and it and also
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they're not like dynamically blended or anything like.
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Yeah, it's not like it's, yeah, Taking the bit of this bit of
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that and making that it's no, you get this cartridge is this
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smell? Yeah, yeah.
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So far I think for the ambient stuff it's not much, almost,
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almost not much use. But yeah, but we'll see.
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For game, For gameplay stuff seems cool.
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Yeah. Yeah, so that was fun.
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Interesting. Yeah, I.
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Haven't seen that before. So I might say that maybe it
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might make an appearance at packed Oz.
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I do know that ticket sales for three day passes are already
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like 60% gone so. Yeah.
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Have they announced the dates for taxis next year already?
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I thought was interesting. Yeah, that.
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Was quick. Yeah, it's part of the the
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farewell update, the farewell e-mail.
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They already had the dates. So next year is the April 22nd
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to 25th. That's later in the year I.
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Could go for my birthday. Do it.
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Oh, I might. We could go for my birthday.
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Too late. Yes.
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Well, I have a think about it. I could meet Echo and I could
21:02
complain about Voodoo Ranger not having lager.
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Yeah, yeah, those IPA. So if you don't know listeners,
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very Ranger make beer, usually Ipas, they maybe make other
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stuff, but the only stuff they have at this particular booth is
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Ipas. And traditionally, I've always
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found that they're very, very, very fucking strong.
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Like 12% strong as in like, you don't can't.
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You can't have too many of these.
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Yeah. Oh, you mean you shouldn't?
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They'll sneak up on you very quickly.
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That's my experience with them anyway.
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But they had a new flavour, a new beer this year.
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So I was drinking that and I think the other guys were
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drinking others, the ones that they've had before that.
21:49
I was like, Oh yeah, I'll try this new one.
21:51
So I was drinking that, they're drinking that.
21:52
And then a certain point I realized I'm I'm a bit less
21:56
messy than everybody else. Oh, and I was like, what's going
21:59
on? So I looked at my can 6 1/2
22:01
percent. Oh, a bit hard.
22:02
What everyone else is drinking? Bastard.
22:04
You tricked me. Yeah.
22:06
So that explains it. I'm just, yeah, I, I know, I, I
22:09
can drink lager. I know that IPA is just.
22:11
They're too sweet for me I find. Yeah, that's fair.
22:14
And these are like fruity. Yeah.
22:17
Like they're they're intentionally like. 1st I'm a
22:19
very bitter man. You are a bitter old man.
22:22
Yes, fuck the world. Yep.
22:27
So I'll go there and complain about them not having lager and
22:30
drink something else and drink whatever's there anyway.
22:33
Yeah, drink exactly whatever's got the highest percentage,
22:35
because if you're going to choke it down, it might as well get
22:37
you drunk. Exactly.
22:41
Another thing that interested me quite a bit is the game Tank.
22:46
This is a console that this guy just made.
22:53
It's an 8 bit console, you know, in the style of the Ness.
22:57
He he's incredibly nerdy and very smart.
23:01
He was chatting to him about it. He is fucking into this.
23:06
So he just was like, I'm just gonna make my own console.
23:10
And he did. And it's all open source.
23:13
So you can, if you have the ability, get from GitHub the
23:19
schematics and files required to make this yourself.
23:24
You can get this if you can get a circuit board printed.
23:27
Yep, you know PCB way can do that for you or whatever.
23:31
You can make one of these yourself.
23:33
Just go 3D print it and. Yep.
23:36
And then he also made the games for it.
23:39
And so I, as somebody who wanted to be a game developer and has
23:42
never actually made a game, and who sometimes thinks, oh, I
23:46
think it'd be cool to make a game from scratch, but that's
23:49
hard. So I'll probably end up, if I
23:51
ever make one, I'll probably use Unity or Unreal or something.
23:53
Yeah, he's gone fucking one step further than I ever would have.
23:56
He's made the fucking hardware. See, I'm I'm looking at this and
23:59
these all look like old games that I'm going to guess because
24:04
I remember like back in the day, like Atari, you'd have the Atari
24:06
games, you'd be there. They would run like crap.
24:09
Sure, but now I played what's the one I played.
24:13
It was called Ganymede and it was very smooth.
24:18
Yeah. And that's what I'm thinking.
24:19
Like it's sort of like an updated version where we'll play
24:22
quite smooth because we're a lot further along than we were back
24:26
in those days. Yeah.
24:29
So if you want one of these things he's doing like a run of
24:32
them. So then the case is obviously
24:34
the case is 3D printed the circuit boards made by I don't
24:38
know who I'm so I don't know who's printing them, but he's
24:40
getting the mass. It's it's cheaper to get them
24:43
done in bulk. So he's doing a run of them, but
24:46
they are going to be like a couple 100 bucks.
24:48
Yeah. So for for something like this,
24:51
I think you've you have to be very into it.
24:54
You need to be into it, yeah, because you're not going to be
24:56
getting, you know, AAA games. On a no no basically.
25:01
The. Support for this is going to
25:02
come from you and the community. Correct.
25:06
This is like a fun thing, so. But I mean, I just think it's
25:09
incredible that they've done this.
25:12
Like I Yeah. The sign said game tank home
25:17
brew console and I was like fuck off.
25:21
So yeah, no. Yeah, they buy cartridges, put
25:25
them in play. Yeah, yeah.
25:28
But it's also just got an emulator in there so you can
25:30
search download them if you want.
25:32
I mean, I know it sounds silly to be so like wow about it
25:34
because obviously people made the, you know, the other all the
25:37
consoles that we use. Yeah, but for just one guy, just
25:40
to correct, I'm going to make this myself.
25:42
I don't care more. Guy in 2020, whatever when he
25:45
started this, I just think it's, I think it's such an interesting
25:48
cool thing to have done is to be, you know what?
25:50
I'm just going to, from scratch, make a fucking console from the
25:53
80s. Yep, you've got the comparison
25:58
to like the Atari links. Yeah, the Nintendo 2600.
26:02
So it's. Yeah, yeah, very cool.
26:06
And he's got the idea with this too, is that he's made SDKS for
26:10
various programming languages to make it easier for people to
26:13
make games for it. So if you know how to program in
26:15
C, there's AC SDK. If you know Rust, there's a Rust
26:19
SDK. If you know basic smart.
26:22
If you know basic, there's a basic one as well.
26:24
And so you don't need to know how to control the hardware or
26:26
do any of that. There's libraries for all that,
26:28
kind of if you know what I'm talking about, fine, but but
26:31
it's just he's made it quite easy for you to get into.
26:34
Programming. And he's just done this all by
26:36
himself. I think some people help.
26:40
I don't think. I think for example the Rust
26:41
SDKI think was written by somebody else.
26:44
OK, Yep. But so he's had some help.
26:46
But the majority of it has just been getting the idea and just
26:49
running with it. Yeah, God, I wish we could do
26:52
that. Yeah, I know, I know.
26:54
I don't have time for that. No, I would lose ideas.
26:58
Yeah, I would definitely lose interest too hard.
27:01
Yep. Very cool though I don't know
27:04
why I'm coloring them in this colour.
27:05
This is the after party colour, the spreadsheet items.
27:09
You didn't call me out on that. Oh, I'm not going to.
27:13
I thought you're trying something new.
27:15
It's. Not like I'm going to get
27:16
confused when I put the show notes together.
27:19
No, because you're going to, you know, nature is going to be
27:22
mostly packs. I would have got confused when
27:24
we get to the after party. If you know what the after party
27:26
is, keep listening. When I went to colour them and I
27:29
went, I've already used the colour for the after party.
27:33
Something else I wanted to mention is I've not seen these
27:36
guys before. We've seen people have seen
27:37
things like this before at Jack's.
27:39
This one caught my attention. This is Guardians MH.
27:42
This is a mental health awareness organization for
27:48
gamers specifically. So we've talked about a few of
27:50
these in the past just because I think these things are very
27:52
cool, you know, because life's hard, people have concerns and
27:57
mental health is very important. And the thing that they do that
28:01
I thought was very cool is that they give out kits just for
28:06
free, just for free. It's a kit and it's got
28:09
resources like, you know, like guides and, and things to help
28:16
you, but also like, like fidget things because you know, like
28:20
people with, you know, ADHD or whatever, you know, fidget
28:23
things are very helpful. I think that's where packed.
28:27
Australia's done very good with that since it moved to the
28:30
Melbourne Entertainment Centre. There's basically the second
28:32
floor, which is for a lot of this stuff that are the
28:36
Melbourne Exhibition Centre you've.
28:38
Been there. Oh, it moved from the
28:40
racecourse. Racecourse and probably a few
28:43
years ago they didn't start introducing this.
28:44
So on the 2nd floor there's sort of like a quiet area, like yeah,
28:48
come relax. Like it's not us loud, have a
28:51
chat, still play games, still do that and just try it.
28:54
Down. Yeah, yeah.
28:57
I'm just looking out for people's sort of mental health,
28:59
like take a break. And then it also gives a lot of
29:01
information about resources and things like that.
29:04
Yeah, yeah. I just thought this was really
29:07
cool that they have these. It's like literally a little
29:09
pouch and then you could take. I didn't take one because I was
29:12
like, leave them for people who might need them.
29:14
I'm interested, but I'm happy to just know what's in there and
29:17
talk about it. But I just think this is great.
29:21
So yeah, you can check them out. Links in the show note.
29:27
Yeah, I just thought it was a really cool, cool thing to do.
29:30
Yes, Gunning's Mental Health is a non profit mental Health
29:34
Organization that is focused on spreading mental health
29:36
awareness and meaningful resources throughout the gaming
29:39
space. Yeah, and they have an AI and
29:42
not an AI. Geez.
29:43
Not an AI. Oh, thank God.
29:45
They have an app that is not an AII misspoke there to help you
29:51
find resources if you're concerned and they connect you
29:54
to real people. Just the the point my mouth was
29:58
trying to make when it said the opposite.
30:01
Because I would I would be very scared in directing someone to
30:04
with mental health issues to AI. Correct.
30:07
Yeah. Don't talk to fucking ChatGPT.
30:10
No, talk to a talk to a person. Yes.
30:12
I apologise for my mistake. And it's OK to talk to someone,
30:17
just don't talk to AI about it. I'm going to blame my ADHD.
30:20
My mouth started speaking before my brain had put together the
30:23
words it wanted. Yeah, it's great.
30:29
And the last thing I wanted to highlight is because I thought
30:34
this was particularly interesting, Acquisitions
30:38
Incorporated, another staple of PAX for me, an essential for me.
30:44
If I go to PAX, I need to go to Acquisitions Incorporated.
30:46
I've been doing that since 2011 was the first time I went.
30:52
God, this website is old. I've been going to back
30:55
positions incorporated since 2011 when Will Wheaton was still
30:58
part of it. It's Will Wheaton, Scott Kurtz,
31:02
Mike and Jerry. You know Chris Perkins was the
31:05
DM Chris Perkins was the DM again today.
31:08
OK. I was happy to see.
31:09
I love Chris. Different though now because
31:16
they don't play DND anymore. No, because DND tried to take a
31:20
lot of money from them. So for those who don't know,
31:24
Chris Perkins and Jeremy Crawford, the two DMS who
31:27
usually run Acquisitions Inc, used to just be Chris Perkins.
31:30
And then he stepped down. Jeremy Crawford took over, and
31:33
then Chris Perkins kind of came back a bit because they both
31:36
left Wizards of the Coast, Jeremy and Chris, and they have
31:42
now joined the, was it Darington Press.
31:46
They're basically in charge of Daggerhart, which is a new
31:49
gaming system developed by a bunch of people, including
31:54
Matthew Mercer. Oh, people will know he's the DM
31:58
from Critical Role. Everybody fucking knows him.
31:59
Everyone knows him, like I don't watch it but I know who he is
32:03
still. So he was playing at this
32:06
Acquisition Incorporated game, which I was like, oh, that's
32:08
going to be good because he's fucking great.
32:10
He's literally an actor, like, yeah, he.
32:13
Yeah, so. He brings it to life.
32:15
Yes, he's an excellent addition to the show because they're all
32:18
very good performance, but they're playing Daggerheart and
32:21
I've never seen Daggerheart. I know what it is.
32:23
I've heard of it, but I've never played it and I've never seen
32:26
it. And so this was particularly
32:27
interesting. It's very different, especially
32:31
the way they, I don't know whether they were doing it a
32:34
particular way. Maybe this is just how it is.
32:35
It's very different. It's very player centric in
32:42
that, as I understand it, I've read the full rules, I skimmed
32:46
the rules and I I observed the game.
32:49
It seems like the DM only does that.
32:53
You have like fear points on the top of the DM screen.
32:57
Chris had, he has to spend those to do stuff.
33:01
He moves the story along like when you're in battle, he spends
33:05
those to to do things. You don't have initiative, you
33:09
don't have like an order, a turn order.
33:12
Yep. You just, everybody just kind of
33:15
does something during a round of combat.
33:18
And as I understand it in the rules, it can either be left to
33:23
you to figure it out, like if you're all kind of able to do
33:28
that, or if you're not. If you have someone who's
33:33
particularly introverted or you have somebody who's too
33:36
extroverted, you can do it a way where you have 3 action points
33:42
per round. Yeah, you can do three things.
33:44
So you can either leave it open as long as everybody's
33:46
reasonable. Or you can control it.
33:49
So I wonder if it's because I had to sort of make it different
33:53
as a certain degree from D and. DI think it could be that could
33:58
be that yes and also you roll D 10s or.
34:02
Twelves. And you roll 2 and one of them
34:05
is hope and one of them is fear. And so the scenario I, I don't
34:11
fully understand the rules around that yet, but when you
34:14
make a role, you will succeed or fail with hope or with fear.
34:19
So it changes things based on that aspect.
34:22
Because didn't has Russia screw up everything they had?
34:26
I got really mad at them for a while.
34:28
There was like AI art going into the books and there was just.
34:31
Books and alpha, they were wanting to start charging people
34:33
hell of a lot more than they wanted and they wanted to also
34:36
back pay and and. All the other thing is Critical
34:40
Role has been such a fucking huge hit and the way they play
34:47
is different because they are all actors and improvisers.
34:50
And so I think this is attempt to make it more like their
34:57
version of DND. Because when you, the memes
35:00
about this and videos, if you watch Critical Role and you've,
35:03
you don't know anything about DND, you watch Critical Role and
35:05
you've got, you're going to play DND and then you show up to your
35:08
local game store, you're going to be disappointed.
35:10
Yes. That's not what it's like, no,
35:13
because we're not all professional fucking actors.
35:17
No but but I had critical DM did a lot of people interested in
35:21
doing it. Yeah, exactly.
35:23
And that's what they want. So I think this is maybe an
35:24
attempt to try and make it more like that, where it's more like
35:28
like he instead, you know, in D&D, for example, Chris Perkins
35:32
in particular, right, the, I would say a previous acquisition
35:35
to the corporate, again, they'll be in a fight and he would say
35:37
the the monster does this, the monster does that.
35:39
It actually does this. In Daggerheart it was more of a
35:43
OK, you're fighting this thing, what does it do?
35:47
Taco. Kind of it's more player agency
35:50
as to telling the story, which I think is cool, but it's
35:54
different. It feels very different.
35:57
Like the whole thing. I found that it was almost a
36:00
little confusing versus a normal acquisitions in game because I
36:03
had to spend more time processing what are the how does
36:07
this work? Whereas normally I just watch it
36:09
and I know the rules. So it's just I could just enjoy
36:12
the funny, you know? Whereas with this I was kind of
36:16
trying to process what the fuck are they doing.
36:19
But it was very enjoyable. Still really loved it.
36:24
Daggerheart is interesting. I don't know if it's for me, but
36:27
I don't know if that's just because I'm so used to DND.
36:32
I left it thinking, oh I don't know about this, but then.
36:35
But there's so many different versions these days that you can
36:38
play. Yeah, I know.
36:39
Yeah. I know.
36:41
And I mean they don't play strict.
36:45
No. Either, you know, acquisitions.
36:47
Because I I also think if you're playing strict rules, it's I
36:52
think takes the fun out of it a little bit.
36:54
And also, I guess at its heart, Acquisitions Inc is just a
36:56
comedy show. Yes, Like it's not.
36:59
I don't think I can play absolute serious Dragons.
37:04
Dragons. No, exactly.
37:05
Yeah, no, I always play well. I mean, I have done, but I yeah,
37:08
it's always a bit goofy, especially with us.
37:10
If you want to listen to was it a Star Wars one?
37:15
No, it was. Was it the horror one?
37:16
I do. You guys spent half the fucking
37:18
episode trying to get a chicken loaf sandwich.
37:20
That was great, whatever that was.
37:24
Space shift or something? I think it, yeah, I think.
37:26
It was the horror one I did, yeah.
37:27
And I was expecting there was a goo and I was expecting you guys
37:30
to avoid the goo. And Dan was like, I eat the goo,
37:33
for fuck's sake. So yeah, anyway, yeah, I'll link
37:41
the dagger heart if you're interested.
37:42
I think it's cool, I just don't know.
37:46
If it's cool for you. Yeah, it's tough to say.
37:49
Oh, Gearbox panel was on Thursday.
37:51
I wasn't there. I've since looked it up.
37:54
I don't, I didn't see, maybe I'm wrong on this.
37:56
Maybe I didn't give it enough a chance.
37:59
Not a huge number of announcements.
38:02
And I don't actually even know if Randy was there.
38:07
Well, they've got nothing sort of out.
38:10
Well, they've got they're lasers.
38:12
There's a DLC? For Yeah 4, No, he was there.
38:16
He was there. Nothing.
38:16
Nothing amazing. Was he there?
38:20
Maybe he wasn't there. He works official as I hear
38:24
everybody Anytime man is available now.
38:26
Yeah, I don't know that is that. Strange for him not to be there
38:31
getting up on stage doing his magic trick.
38:34
Hang on a minute, I'm going to go to YouTube and Fact Check
38:36
myself because I might be wrong about this.
38:41
Oh God I can't get to normal YouTube because I'm too used to
38:44
uploading stuff to our channel. But I'm having a look and I
38:47
can't actually see like there's no big announcements that I can
38:51
see that nothing like. That 2026 so there's a so
38:56
there's a new expansion DLC for. Borderlands.
39:00
Borderlands 4 and there's a new vault hunter because of that.
39:04
I'm just getting through, I don't think Yeah, no, no.
39:08
Randy Pitchford. Yeah, so.
39:09
Yeah, Borderlands 4 was not that good.
39:14
That's what I heard. I haven't even played it.
39:16
Yeah, I. Honestly.
39:17
Priceless. And I was like, I'm not hearing
39:20
great things about it. Yeah, I honestly think it was a
39:23
a rush because of how badly the movie did to.
39:26
We need to get something else to, yeah.
39:30
That's a shame. Yeah, the new Volt Hunter looks
39:35
cool. He's like a cowboy robot.
39:37
I. Think it looks cool?
39:39
Well, Mike gives that a try because yeah, even the hero
39:41
heroes that I had, none of them interested me.
39:45
Yeah. Is it cheaper now?
39:48
Borderlands 4? I would like to play it.
39:51
Jenna and I always play these Co-op.
39:54
Yeah, so. Because they are a fun Co-op
39:57
game. But.
39:59
I don't know how we're going to manage that these days, but.
40:01
We've got to play three person Co-op and.
40:05
Xbox series X digital code 50 bucks that's not so bad, but
40:10
anyway. It'll be on sale soon.
40:13
Yeah. I would like mid year sales.
40:16
But I was so at first I was disappointed I didn't go to the
40:18
Gearbox panel. But just because Randy's janky
40:21
magic tricks always entertain me.
40:24
Yes, sometimes they go off really smoothly.
40:27
Sometimes they. They fun though.
40:30
Sometimes it's just funny, like last year, but it seems like he
40:34
wasn't there so. No, so he didn't miss.
40:38
No. No, no.
40:42
So that, I think is everything. That's the main big stuff to
40:46
jump out to you for Packs East this year.
40:49
Yes, really enjoyed it. Lots of oh, oh, the one of the
40:52
things that was interesting Red Bull had a Tavern on the show
40:59
floor, like a fake Tavern that they'd set up, which is cool
41:01
with like torches and stuff like that.
41:02
And it was basically like, so last year they had like a
41:07
content creator only area where you could go in and they had
41:09
these drinks that you could get where they basically they had
41:12
like coolers full of different juice blends and stuff.
41:15
And then you would say, I want the, I don't know, the this year
41:20
it was like potions. So you say I want the potion of
41:21
vitality. And what they do is they give
41:23
you one of the flavoured Red Bulls.
41:24
You know, Red Bull comes in all flavours now.
41:26
Yep, paired with some juice mix. And it's kind of like a, a drink
41:29
that they give you. And yeah, they're, they're all
41:32
right. It was all free.
41:33
Yep. So like, you know, that's pretty
41:35
cool. And they had a bunch of events
41:39
going on. You could get prizes you get you
41:41
get given a character sheet, you can choose your class.
41:44
You could be a wizard, rogue or fighter.
41:48
And then you had quests to do around inside the Tavern.
41:50
OK, that would have been fun. Yeah, it was.
41:52
It was very cool, very cool set up.
41:54
And that's just the middle of the floor.
41:56
Middle of the show floor, you just go on in and you can play
41:59
open board game, playing tables with games you could borrow and
42:03
stuff. And they were doing demos of new
42:04
games and and stuff like that. It was it was very cool.
42:07
Yeah. But on Sunday, which is always
42:11
the quietest day at PAX, yes. And we're thinking.
42:14
One, that was this Family Day. On Sunday when we went there,
42:19
because we popped in there every morning to get a Red Bull
42:20
because why not? It's free.
42:21
Yeah, Sunday they didn't have any of the mixer stuff left.
42:26
And then the woman, we go up to the front and the woman goes
42:29
just Red Bull today. Here you go.
42:31
And like handed us cans of Red Bull and Jenna was like,
42:35
wouldn't you like, like kind of portion that out for the days
42:40
because people paid for a Sunday pass?
42:43
Like it's kind of weird. Because it's four days.
42:45
Oh no, it starts on Thursday, doesn't it?
42:48
Yeah, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
42:49
Say, wouldn't you allocate a number of those things?
42:53
To sort of hold off 'cause like Sunday is just.
42:56
A little weird to say fuck you people on Sunday we've given.
42:59
At least the the Family Day where it's the quieter and you
43:03
are getting a new group of people coming through.
43:05
It's not just the same people coming in to get your free Red
43:07
Bull like you got every day like you were.
43:10
Yeah, alright, alright. No, I just, I was like, yeah,
43:14
good point. Like, wouldn't you wanna make
43:16
sure you had some? I don't know what the days with
43:18
the pins and stuff they will hold off selling them because
43:23
some. People only buy a Sunday pass,
43:25
yes, You know, it's hard to get away sometimes for yes, like in
43:30
a number of days you can only go one day, Sunday.
43:32
It's actually, I think a good day to go apart from things like
43:36
that where they've run out of. Everything.
43:38
Yeah, I think everything exactly.
43:40
So I don't know. I just, yeah, Jenna was like,
43:43
because she used to work for Dells, like when she was young
43:46
doing the fairs and stuff like that.
43:47
And so she was like, she's like, I can't believe they haven't got
43:50
fucking. And I'm like, all right, all
43:51
right. You you did get 2 days in a row.
43:55
Yeah, she just knows what to do. But other than that, it was
44:01
actually a cool little booth. Yeah.
44:05
Interested to see what I get at Paxos this year.
44:08
Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm not going to make
44:10
it unfortunately, but I would like to at some point get down
44:14
there again. Yeah, as I said, I might try and
44:16
make packs for my birthday. All right, do it.
44:20
See what? Happens, yeah.
44:22
Come stay here for a bit too if you want.
44:24
You don't have to, but you. Can stay in my bedroom.
44:26
Yeah, Dan. Yeah.
44:28
AKA the basement. Yep.
44:32
So what else have we got? We've got a fair bit that's
44:34
still been happening this week. Yeah, I'm not sure we even have
44:37
time to get through all this. Because no.
44:39
But well, one of the things we did worth talking about last
44:41
week was Arnie and then you Conan, and it looks like he's
44:46
back in training for. It so it's.
44:49
Happening. I didn't know the extent of
44:50
this, though. He's had a lot of health issues.
44:52
I didn't know that. Not specifically, apparently
44:54
because of the fact that he was, you know, a bodybuilder or
44:58
anything like that. Just kind of genetic concerns
45:01
from his family history or whatever.
45:03
He's had a bunch of open heart surgery.
45:05
Oh God, yeah. I'll say oh, fuck.
45:07
OK. That's pretty intense.
45:08
Multiple open heart surgeries over the past 30 years.
45:11
He's also had a hip replacement and assorted joint issues.
45:15
I was like, oh, that's open. Heart surgeries over the last 30
45:17
years. Oh my God, that's.
45:19
Yeah, I know, right? I didn't know that.
45:21
So I'm glad he's all right. And he's apparently training
45:24
now, because obviously he's gonna want to be.
45:27
He's gonna have to. You're gonna be looking the part
45:29
'cause he's he's sized down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:32
He's gonna have, he's not gonna have like the six pack AB or
45:35
anything. I think he's gonna have like the
45:36
gut. He's gonna look like a large old
45:39
man. Yes, yeah, he's gonna, he's
45:41
gonna work on his arms. I think he's gonna work on his
45:43
glamour muscles through his arms.
45:46
Yeah. But if you look at most strong
45:49
men competitions, they don't have a six pack or anything.
45:53
No, no, no. No, it's about actual power.
45:55
Not power. Not looking good for other men,
45:58
Yeah. Yeah, 'cause women don't give a
46:02
shit. No.
46:03
They do to a degree, but after a certain point they do not.
46:06
Yes, men do. Yeah, you're right.
46:11
So I'm happy that this is actually gonna happen.
46:15
Yeah, King Conan is called, I believe.
46:18
Yep. Oh, tentatively called.
46:20
Yeah, because I know he'd sort of mentioned it, but he'd also,
46:23
there was also talk of commando and stuff, and I'm sort of like
46:26
that. Too another Terminator.
46:28
And another predator and I'll go.
46:30
This is getting a bit crazy. Yeah.
46:33
I mean, I don't need all of that.
46:35
Yeah, yeah, I think, he said. Holly, Hollywood, Hollywood's
46:38
cut. Arnie Fever.
46:41
They want to mean everything. But no, I can't see like a 1778
46:44
year old man playing commando again.
46:49
Speaking of Speaking of muscle men, Yep.
46:53
You've seen The Rock. Yes, late, I'm sure we've talked
46:56
about this before. And Dave Batista sized down as
46:58
well. Yeah, but did you see the Moana
47:02
trailer? No.
47:04
So the the have a look at what the rock looks like in the live
47:10
action Moana, he's doing the rock playing the role of Maui
47:13
again. And my favorite thing that came
47:16
out of this was Weird Al tweeting saying, look, I've told
47:21
everybody we're not doing the biopic anymore, but they keep
47:24
sending me headshots because if you look at what the rock looks
47:28
like, it's insane. The Rock all.
47:31
Right. And then I'm just skipping
47:34
across. Yeah, just look at the picture.
47:38
Oh my God. It's like, what are they doing?
47:46
It's just so odd. Yes, yeah, it's very odd.
47:53
See, I've never seen Moana and I have no interest in a live
47:56
action movie so. No, so I watched the live action
48:01
Lilo and Stitch. I know I talked about this
48:02
already, and it was just so disappointing that I'm like, no,
48:04
you know what? Fuck all these stupid versions.
48:07
Yeah. Just don't understand when I
48:09
keep going to make a live action of everything they've ever done,
48:12
even recently. But they just decided they're
48:13
doing it now. Yep.
48:14
Yeah. Yeah, Exactly.
48:16
The movie that came out last year, it's still a live action
48:18
version of that. Yeah.
48:20
I don't know. We've got also what was I going
48:27
to talk about? Oh, the AO Neo, right.
48:30
You've got one these, right? Or I I've still got 1.
48:33
I don't use it at all anymore. But what is the one that you
48:36
have? It was the AO Neo next.
48:38
OK, OK, perfect. Right.
48:40
They announced not long ago the AO Neo next too.
48:44
And looking at it, it looks very nice.
48:48
Well looking at it is all you can do because it has been
48:52
cancelled because they. Can't afford to make it.
48:56
Because of AI, Yeah, they said basically they had to GoFundMe.
49:01
GoFundMe. Not GoFundMe.
49:02
That's the charity one. Indiegogo.
49:04
Indiegogo. That's the word I'm looking for.
49:07
Indiegogo for it. They were taking orders and all
49:09
that kind of stuff and then they had to cancel it because they
49:10
said that basically it now is going to cost double,
49:15
approaching twice the price we originally set.
49:18
Under such circumstances, continuing to sell this product
49:20
is no longer sustainable. Cancelled.
49:23
It is not happening. And that's why I'm sort of
49:25
interested to see what's actually going to happen with
49:27
like the new Xbox and new PlayStation.
49:29
Like what price point are you going to come in at?
49:32
Because if AI is just taking everything and they can't keep
49:35
up. It's like it's, it's ridiculous,
49:39
like. And it seems to be new AI every
49:42
day for a new thing. Actually one just disappeared.
49:47
Aura disappeared. Aura, Aura.
49:50
There's a Disney one for making videos.
49:52
Oh, Sora, Sora, Sora. Yeah, sorry.
49:55
OK, yeah, yeah, that Chat GPTS video thing.
49:58
Yeah, they've shut that down. Yeah, I did.
50:01
They say why they shut that down.
50:02
I don't. I know that they did.
50:04
For me, in my head, it's just they're getting to the point
50:08
where this is costing us a lot of money, but we're not making
50:12
anything. Yeah, so is the one I used to
50:14
make those videos of you. But yeah, I think I'm arrested.
50:20
I think a lot of them are just at that point where we need to
50:24
start recouping money because I think you see billions into it.
50:27
Yeah, but they got videos of me being arrested.
50:31
Yeah, tackled by police on a bridge.
50:36
Yeah. I just, I don't know this.
50:39
People keep saying, oh, the bubble's going to burst, and it
50:41
just doesn't. It's just they just keep going
50:44
and going so. And the prices keep going up.
50:46
Yeah, it's crazy. Everything just keeps going up
50:49
at the moment. Yes.
50:52
So that's disappointing for those who were looking forward
50:54
to those consoles are very impressive.
50:57
Yes, but look, get the LAX, even though that's just jumped up in
51:01
price, $200. Well, the same thing Deck is is
51:06
they can't make some of the Steam Decks anymore, correct.
51:08
I thought, yeah, out of everything's out of stock.
51:11
I cannot buy a Steam Deck right now because they just can't get
51:16
the I believe it's because they can't get the RAM for a
51:19
reasonable price and the Steam Machine is delayed potentially
51:23
because of it now too, or the price is going to be too higher.
51:26
It's like, yeah, it's a bummer. OK, just for the the average
51:30
user. Now it's just not going to be
51:33
affordable to get a console, which is the whole idea of like
51:38
the the Steam Deck, the Steam Box, the new PlayStation,
51:45
everything was like having an affordable entry point you.
51:48
Know you should just do what I do and play on GeForce cloud.
51:51
Yes. This episode sponsored by No,
51:54
they're not sponsors if they want to sponsor US.
51:57
Yeah, they can. Yeah, give me a free account.
52:01
Yeah, that's what I think. Actually, I actually.
52:03
Free account. I'm bad at this.
52:05
I should disclose they did give me a free account to begin with.
52:09
Oh wow. I've, I know I talked about this
52:11
in the beginning, but I forget that this happened, right?
52:13
And so I've, I'll, I'll disclose that they did give me a free
52:17
account for 12 months when it first came out.
52:20
Yeah, because of the podcast. And then you disclosure for it.
52:25
I am paying for it now and have been for a couple of years.
52:28
Yeah, they did give me a free account.
52:29
I want to disclose that. Yep.
52:31
That has not influenced my decision to continue using it.
52:34
I'm using it because it's a good product.
52:36
The thing is, I think you're actually using it more than what
52:39
you did that first year. I absolutely AM.
52:41
Like, yeah, since you started playing for it, I think you're
52:43
using it more and I don't. Yeah, I think.
52:46
The first year I didn't use it very much.
52:47
Yeah, because I didn't. I wasn't playing Dune starters.
52:51
And I think that's. Playing Xbox a lot.
52:53
Shows how good the product is that you can go and just play
52:55
any of the games you want and they listen to it and you can
52:58
play GOG now well. Not yet.
53:00
But yeah, I keep checking. Hang on.
53:01
Let me open it and double check a bit soon.
53:03
Yeah. No, it's it's good.
53:06
I like it. I can play it on my Logitech G
53:11
Cloud who haven't given me anything.
53:13
Logitech haven't give me fuck all.
53:14
So definitely not sponsored by them.
53:16
Oh, release highlights something something happened.
53:23
No GOG. OK, fuck.
53:24
You no GOG, but it's coming. It it apparently is coming
53:28
connections. Nah, no GOG.
53:32
Yeah, Speaking of AI, well, actually it's two games we just
53:40
need to talk about. The first is this new open world
53:43
game called Crimson Desert, which looks very cool.
53:47
I I'd be interested in if I had more time, but they've come out
53:52
and well, they've been caught I guess is how it's being put.
53:56
Yes. It's got AAI art in it.
54:00
Yes. And this is similar, I think, to
54:03
what was that other game that got their game of the year
54:06
stripped away from them. The clear obscura is that that
54:11
one? I don't think I got a shirt, but
54:14
I know there was a lot of talk about it.
54:16
No, they did. They did take it away.
54:19
Yeah, clear obscure Expedition 33.
54:22
Yeah, Game of the year. That was great game.
54:26
I wish I should go back and finish that.
54:29
They disqualified them retroactively and took it away
54:32
because it had AI in it. And so Crimson Desert has it in.
54:36
And also this week, Alcat Games who are making The Expanse game,
54:41
Osiris Reborn, they said, yeah, we're using it too.
54:47
And I think it's in the same way that the others were.
54:49
And what's happening is, so to clarify, yes, the way that
54:53
they're doing this is as they're making the game, they're using
54:56
AI generated stuff in the game temporarily.
55:01
So when they implement a feature, if it's particularly,
55:05
you know, game development is a lot about trying things and
55:09
seeing what's fun and adjusting things and tweaking things until
55:11
you get it right. And, and my understanding is
55:14
what they're doing, what they, what they say they're doing is
55:17
when they start making stuff, rather than getting somebody to
55:22
spend the time to make art and, and, and things to for this
55:28
thing that they might just delete anyway because it maybe
55:31
it sucks. We're going to try something.
55:33
Let's so they AI generate some stuff, put it in the game, test
55:37
it out, make sure it's fun. And once they can, once
55:40
everything's confirmed, they get someone to make the actual art,
55:44
and then they replace. Everything.
55:45
I think that's a good way of sort of doing it because.
55:48
I feel like that's OK. Beating up the process for games
55:53
being released, which everyone wants, yeah, it's still 100%
55:56
human product at the end, that's just.
55:59
Yes, but the problem is they're missing some.
56:02
That's what's. Happening that would be a
56:04
problem. Yes, and and that that literally
56:06
was a problem for clear obscure that that 'cause they said
56:09
that's what happened. They were using textures in the
56:12
background that were generated and they just didn't remove them
56:14
all. They didn't replace them all
56:16
with human made ones. Crimson Desert, same thing.
56:20
Yep, they have apparently apparently accidentally left
56:24
some in. And I mean the Expanse one.
56:28
Hopefully they'll fucking try really hard to get them all.
56:30
Because, well, the problem is find them.
56:32
They find them, but the problem is is like the expanse of what
56:35
they're aiming to do Looks like it's going to be a huge game.
56:38
It's looks like Mass Effect. Everyone's like, oh, it's just
56:41
Mass Effect in The Expanse. Yeah, OK, Fuck yeah.
56:43
Yeah, bring it on. This game looks great to me.
56:45
Yeah, I mean, and if they'd OK they're using AIR to prototype
56:51
stuff in development, I don't have an issue with that
56:53
personally. No, I think that's a sensible.
56:57
And it's a way of the future. AI is going to be a part of
57:00
everything we do going forward. And yeah.
57:03
Larian said the same thing, too. They're going to use it for
57:05
their next game. Yeah, I think in the same way,
57:10
but you just I guess need to keep track of.
57:12
Just keep track of. You can replace.
57:14
It with it, yeah, but but also this can really help with you
57:17
getting those big games you want faster.
57:21
Right. Yeah, because you don't have to.
57:23
And then and the money will be better spent.
57:26
On. Actual stuff that stays in the
57:29
game rather than spending money. On paying someone to make
57:32
someone that just Oh no, we've deleted that.
57:34
That it's never going to be. Used, you know what?
57:35
That's that's not fun. Just delete that whole section
57:38
of the game kind of thing. It's just, yeah.
57:43
So I think there's a balance to be had there, but so far, yeah.
57:46
So like I said, Crimson Desert didn't get them all.
57:48
So they've they're in, people are mad about that right now.
57:51
And then people are mad about the Alcat for The Expanse
57:56
preemptively because they found out that they're using it.
58:00
Well, they didn't find out. They just said it.
58:01
They said we're using it during development and I don't have a
58:06
problem with it but. Not not, no.
58:08
Not using it that way when at the end of the day it is 100%
58:12
human. If they do remember to take it
58:14
all away. If you release the game and it's
58:15
all just AI slop. Like, yeah, I completely
58:18
understand. Yeah, but why are we attacking
58:22
them before we even know what's there?
58:25
An elephant in the room. Yeah, I use AI for the
58:27
thumbnails lately because it can do funny things.
58:30
I use it for comedy purposes. I hope people don't mind that I
58:33
do that you know, this week will not be this week will be a
58:36
photograph of me at PAX. It's not AI, it's me.
58:41
So. You're not going to put AI hair
58:43
or anything. How dare you?
58:45
Take some of the white out of the beard.
58:47
Fuck you. I told Lyra I was like I might
58:55
might dye my beard brown and she goes why?
58:59
And I said, so it's not white anymore.
59:00
And she goes, but I might not recognize you anymore.
59:04
And I said, oh. And she goes, no, it'll be OK.
59:06
I'll just remember. That's still my dad.
59:08
He just doesn't want anyone to know he's old.
59:10
Oh. Shit, Yep.
59:16
No, I did actually have a look at head.
59:17
I said I don't have any ginger. None at all.
59:20
None for beards, no can. You use like Hannah.
59:23
Doesn't Hannah go kind of gingery?
59:25
Maybe. I'm no expert.
59:31
Nor am I. I mean, you, you're already
59:34
dyeing your hair. Yeah, I don't think anyone would
59:36
question. I've always worried about
59:39
putting this sort of hair dye, like I've got green hair at the
59:41
moment, Putting that in my beard and just inhaling those fumes
59:45
for a while. I've always been worried about
59:47
that. That guy on Is it Cake?
59:52
With the green, I don't know if people do it.
59:54
Yeah, maybe I should just suck it off and give it a try.
59:56
If I pass out, I pass out. It's going to say plug your
1:00:03
nose, but so it's your mouth too.
1:00:04
It's that whole. Yeah, it's like I can't just not
1:00:07
breathe for half an hour. Maybe just look up someone done
1:00:11
this before and what's the Safeway to do it?
1:00:14
You know I'm not going to do that.
1:00:15
Yeah, OK, fine. All right.
1:00:16
Well, it's been nice knowing you.
1:00:21
I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm not going to bleach it back.
1:00:24
That'll be stupid. You wouldn't.
1:00:26
That'd be gone too far. Yeah, that's pretty white.
1:00:29
So it's. A bit as I can say it's a bit
1:00:30
looking a bit pale. Anyway, yeah.
1:00:36
Oh, and just on the subject of AI, this is a quick one.
1:00:38
This is follow up actually. I've talked in the past about
1:00:41
the issues with Spotify where people can gener either AI
1:00:45
generate or not even AI generate.
1:00:46
I could write a song and say this is me and Hans Zimmer and
1:00:51
put Hans Zimmer's name on it and it gets posted to his profile
1:00:55
and therefore I get people listening to my garbage that I
1:00:58
made. Because they think it's Hans
1:00:59
Zimmer. Because I said that it is and
1:01:02
nobody checks. Yep.
1:01:03
And there's nothing he can do about it even if I do.
1:01:06
It because if he was to try, it's not possible for him to
1:01:09
keep up with. Correct.
1:01:11
He's got to contact them. Yeah, So apparently Spotify is
1:01:15
going to be trialling a new thing where basically it's
1:01:18
called artist profile protection.
1:01:20
You have to review stuff before it gets posted to your profile.
1:01:24
I'm assuming this is going to be optional, but I I think big
1:01:29
artists will jump on this. I think so, because also I want
1:01:33
to think like, oh, it's going to be hard for them to keep up.
1:01:35
No, it's not. They're just going to have an
1:01:36
account over here. That's just their spam folder.
1:01:40
Exactly. And they know when they're.
1:01:41
Putting stuff out? Yeah.
1:01:42
When you release something, go and approve it.
1:01:44
Otherwise, everything else goes in the trash or or the yeah.
1:01:47
Yeah, exactly. It's not gonna be hard.
1:01:49
I think this is a really good idea and this is what people
1:01:53
were asking for. Like I think I said, Venus
1:01:55
Theory did that video where he signed up for a new account
1:02:00
under a different name, right? Nothing was associated with him
1:02:04
and in fact he uploaded songs that said this is not a Venus
1:02:08
Theory song. Do not post this to Venus
1:02:10
Theory's profile. This is AI generated song.
1:02:12
This is not a Venus Theory song. Put it in as Venus Theory posted
1:02:16
it and it went straight onto his page and was like you went to
1:02:19
his page. The new release from Venus
1:02:21
Theory. This is not a Venus Theory song.
1:02:23
Generated crap. And he was just like, how is it
1:02:26
that people can do this? Yeah.
1:02:29
That's not right. Even though sort of at the end
1:02:30
of the day, you're going to be the one making money out of it.
1:02:32
It's not yours. It's not you didn't create it.
1:02:36
It's nothing to do with you. Yeah, it's crazy that you can,
1:02:39
you can do that. And it's all because of the way
1:02:42
we got here. Like the system wasn't intended
1:02:45
for people to be able to upload because you used to go through
1:02:47
label radius, you know, through record labels and stuff, and
1:02:50
they didn't need this because you couldn't do it.
1:02:52
And then now it's just a result of yeah, the the path.
1:02:57
Everything just happened very, very, very quickly and it's hard
1:03:00
to keep up sometimes. Yes, And the cost of entry got
1:03:05
way lower because it used to be it was like a couple of 100
1:03:08
bucks to get something on, you know, with CD Baby or whatever
1:03:13
when it first got on. And then all of a sudden things
1:03:15
like District Kid came out. And now I pay, I pay like $40 a
1:03:20
year and I can upload unlimited stuff.
1:03:22
Yeah, unlimited stuff to my to my Spotify, Apple Music, you
1:03:26
know. So, and I know there are a lot
1:03:29
of people out there just spamming AI crap out there and
1:03:31
it's just appearing on people's playlists when they're German
1:03:34
stuff and they don't care. No people don't like just lo fi
1:03:39
AI generated stuff. Yep.
1:03:41
People just, they don't care. No.
1:03:44
Yeah, the value of music has really fallen through the floor
1:03:48
because you just have access to so much of it now.
1:03:51
Yep. Like people just, yeah, don't
1:03:53
listen to it the same way anyway.
1:03:55
Yeah, you don't buy an album anymore.
1:03:57
You stopped buying albums years ago.
1:03:58
Remember when you used to buy an album and you'd listen to the
1:04:01
album? Because that was the album you
1:04:02
bought. And even if there were songs on
1:04:04
there you didn't really like, you still listen to them.
1:04:05
Because that was the album you bought.
1:04:07
Yeah, you're just gonna listen to it.
1:04:10
Yeah, now you just listen to the songs you want.
1:04:12
Yeah, and you might buy an album and go, oh, this album's
1:04:15
actually a bit shit. Oh well, and then you listen to
1:04:17
it anyway because that's the fucking album that you just
1:04:19
bought. Yes, you spent 30 bucks on it.
1:04:23
You're stuck with it now. That's it.
1:04:24
Yeah, exactly. And then you get to like it.
1:04:27
Yeah. And then sometimes you do come
1:04:29
back and go, Oh no, actually this is a lot better than I
1:04:31
thought. Yes, I didn't give it a chance
1:04:33
at first. Whereas now if you're on
1:04:35
Spotify, you go, yeah, skip. Skip.
1:04:37
Yep. Mm hmm, doesn't even need a
1:04:39
chance. No.
1:04:42
Yeah, no way. We will give you a chance.
1:04:44
Everyone gets your chance. Where?
1:04:46
At the after party. What's the after party?
1:04:49
The after place where we're going to go, continue talking
1:04:51
for a little bit longer, but to get there you're going to have
1:04:55
to give us a Muller. How would I do that?
1:04:58
Just just push it into the screen.
1:05:00
Well, no, you, you, you, you see me in person and you hand me a
1:05:05
little envelope with the cash and then I'll handle it from
1:05:08
there. Or you can go to
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