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Suspected pedophile on cops' radar in Delphi girls murders · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grays here with crime stories and our news update
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Speaker 1: at this hour breaking news. The search is on for
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Speaker 1: a little boy, Casey Hathaway. Let's go quickly to the
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Speaker 1: North Carolina's Sheriff, Chip Hughes One. Our seriousness is is
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Speaker 1: we do have Saint Coles in here. There are water
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Speaker 1: sources in here, deep ditches, and then we've got the
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Speaker 1: extreme temperatures that we're going to start feeling here very soon.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the child was adequately clothed to be
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Speaker 1: out in this, maybe a light jacket, but certainly not
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Speaker 1: prepared to get into the woods and be disoriented. You
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Speaker 1: were hearing the Craven County, North Carolina's Sheriff, Chip us.
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Speaker 1: We need your help and your prayers right now. Tip
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Speaker 1: line two five two sixty three three zero four nine
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Speaker 1: eight or nine nine six six two forty five hundred.
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Speaker 1: The search for this little boy, this three year old
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Speaker 1: baby boy, is going on right now. The search for
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Speaker 1: Casey Hathaway is happening now as we speak, as we
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Speaker 1: go to air, over fifty volunteers are out looking for
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Speaker 1: the three year old taught in Craven County. He was
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Speaker 1: playing with two other children in the backyard before he
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Speaker 1: allegedly just disappeared. The grandma and others immediately went out
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Speaker 1: searching for baby Casey. They'll look for forty five five
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Speaker 1: minutes before calling nine one one. Casey is two feet
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Speaker 1: four inches. He weighs just twenty five pounds. He has
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Speaker 1: strawberry blonde hair and brown eyes. He is a little
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Speaker 1: angel residence in the area. Please help us. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about Arnold, North Carolina, where he has gone missing last
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Speaker 1: thing wearing a blue coat and dark colored pants. Guys,
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Speaker 1: help us, help us. If you have information, call two five,
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Speaker 1: two six, three, three, four nine eight. We can always
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Speaker 1: use your prayer. Straight out to Karen Smith, forensics expert
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Florida on the search. Karen, what
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Speaker 1: should they be doing right now? Well, unfortunately, we're dealing
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Speaker 1: with a forty five minute window, and I'm not blaming anyone.
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Speaker 1: That's a long time to wait before calling nine to
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Speaker 1: one with a missing three year old boy, and that
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Speaker 1: took away the Sheriff's office league right now, I don't
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Speaker 1: have any indications of an abduction, but you have to
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Speaker 1: leave that on the table as well. I don know
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Speaker 1: if this little boy is lost as the sheriff said,
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Speaker 1: if he's fallen into a place where he can't get out,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. What they need to do is a
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Speaker 1: serious sweet starting from the house outwards, or at least
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Speaker 1: a couple of miles. At this point, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they've interviewed the other two children that were in
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Speaker 1: the yard, if they saw him wander off, or if
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Speaker 1: they saw a stranger come into the yard. That's something
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Speaker 1: they're going to have to find out. But right now,
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Speaker 1: time is of the essence. Please help us find this
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Speaker 1: little boy, officials say. The grandmother and others church. Forty
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Speaker 1: five minutes before calling nine one one, he seemingly disappeared
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Speaker 1: from grandma's back yard. Karen Start psychologists joining me from
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Speaker 1: New York right now at She's at Karen Start dot com. Karen,
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Speaker 1: Oh those forty five minutes, Oh those forty five minutes.
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Speaker 1: If I could get those forty five minutes back back.
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Speaker 1: But you know, the grandma, don't you know, was just thinking, oh,
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Speaker 1: he just wandered away. I can call him, he'll come
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Speaker 1: right back. You can just imagine how she panic Nancy
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Speaker 1: and just kept looking thinking this can't be real. I
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Speaker 1: can really understand how that happened. Even though those forty
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Speaker 1: five minutes are so crucial to finding him and the family,
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Speaker 1: I feel like the best thing they could be doing
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Speaker 1: right now is going out there and looking and getting
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Speaker 1: involved so that they're not sitting home. I'm just with
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Speaker 1: other people thinking, he just scared to death. Karen Start
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Speaker 1: and Karen Smith, because it's just reminded me so much
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Speaker 1: of Samantha Runyon as you were called, playing at her
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Speaker 1: grandma's front yard when she was abducted. Karen Smith. Is
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Speaker 1: really hard to interview and get information out of children
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Speaker 1: that are two and three years old or younger. But
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. What did they see? Which way
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Speaker 1: did he go? Did he wander out? Did someone drive
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Speaker 1: up and get him? I mean, for all I know,
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Speaker 1: grandma could have had her back turn five minutes cooking
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Speaker 1: lunch or dinner, and the next thing you know, she
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Speaker 1: turns around, he's gone. And that's exact exactly the way
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Speaker 1: it happens. You see them one moment and the next
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Speaker 1: they're gone. They're gone in sixty seconds. Karen Smith, They
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Speaker 1: sure aren't. You know, the children don't have a sense
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Speaker 1: of place. They know that they want to wander into
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Speaker 1: a neighbor's yard, or somebody comes up and God, God forbid,
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Speaker 1: somebody offered him a toy or candy. Listen, you can
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Speaker 1: interview children. Three year olds are capable of verbal speech,
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Speaker 1: and they're also capable of telling you whether it's stranger
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Speaker 1: within the yard. There are specialist social workers out there
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Speaker 1: that are trained to deal with children. They just have
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Speaker 1: They've been focusing their search efforts in the woods out
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Speaker 1: behind the child's house. They have been brought in a
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Speaker 1: helicopter from the High Patrol in Raleigh. They are using
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Speaker 1: heat seeking technology to see if they can find him
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Speaker 1: in these very dense woods. They also have brought out
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Speaker 1: all the stop share. He says, all of his deputies
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Speaker 1: from Patrol, all of his investigators are working against the plot.
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Speaker 1: I said, this is a very curious situation. Right now,
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Speaker 1: at this hour, we don't know how the child was dressed.
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Speaker 1: We expect the temperatures to be dipping downwards. Tip line
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This morning, Delphi police hope three words will
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Speaker 1: help them find a person who murdered two Delphi teen Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It turns out Livy German actually used her cell phone
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Speaker 1: to record what was happening to her and Abby Williams
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Speaker 1: last Monday. Police aren't releasing everything that she taked, but
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Speaker 1: they are releasing this phrase that person said to them
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Speaker 1: down the hill. Authorities looped the audio four times. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna play it for you right now. Please listen closely
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Speaker 1: to see if you recognize this voice. The Carroll County
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department are setting to regroup and start to search
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Speaker 1: back up for two missing girls. Thirty year old Abigail
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Speaker 1: Williams and Liberty German were reported missing yesterday. The family
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Speaker 1: dropped them off to go hiking near high Bridge. When
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Speaker 1: the girls didn't show up for their arranged pickup time,
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Speaker 1: family and friends started a search. They were last seen
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Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon. Police, sheriff's firefighters, and the Department of Natural
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Speaker 1: Resources are all involved in the search for those teenagers
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Speaker 1: right now, is there breaking knees in the search for
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Speaker 1: two little del Fi girls, Liberty German and Abigail Williams. Repeat,
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Speaker 1: is their breaking news? I mean it? See Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in
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Speaker 1: the last hours. We understand that cops are now hunting
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Speaker 1: a twenty seventeen killer of these two little girls, and
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Speaker 1: they are specifically looking at a quote child molester about
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Speaker 1: one hundred miles away because of the incredible similarity between
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Speaker 1: his mugshot in a previous child molestation and the sketch
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Speaker 1: of the suspect, the suspect taken from a cell phone
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Speaker 1: snap taken by one of the little girls on that
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Speaker 1: bridge in Delphi. Repeat, looking at a guy that is
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Speaker 1: about one hundred miles away, comparing his rap sheet booken
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Speaker 1: photo to the guy on the bridge last seen with
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Speaker 1: Liberty and Abigail has been a long time coming. To
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute CSI expert, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of it? Well, the resemblance is uncanny,
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Speaker 1: and not only that, you've got somebody that has harmed children.
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Speaker 1: On top of he I like the hike he's known
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Speaker 1: to go in the woods and you know, and take
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Speaker 1: these little trips, and he obviously has targeted children. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: That's Tally came on the radar. He was arrested for
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Speaker 1: trying to meet up with a thirteen year old he
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Speaker 1: thought to have take with her and it was an
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Speaker 1: undercover police officer. Well, you know what we are talking about,
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Speaker 1: a guy about one hundred miles away. Now, can he
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Speaker 1: be connected to the deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams?
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Lee start at the beginning, what do we know
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Speaker 1: about this guy? Nan? See, his name is Charles Eldridge.
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Speaker 1: He's forty six years old, and like you said, he
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Speaker 1: was around one hundred miles away from Delphi, Indiana in
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Speaker 1: Union City, Indiana, and authorities arrested him on a sting
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Speaker 1: they were posing as a thirteen year old girl on
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Speaker 1: social media. He went to the site to meet this
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Speaker 1: girl and he met police instead. And then after his arrest,
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Speaker 1: the suspect reportedly admitted to engaging in sex sex with
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Speaker 1: a different child under thirteen on multiple different occasions in
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Speaker 1: the past. Oh yeah, I say, listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at WPTATV Randolph County Police have arrested a man on
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Speaker 1: child molestation charges. Shortly after midnight, police brought in forty
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Speaker 1: six year old Charles Eldridge of Union City and what
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Speaker 1: they called a successful sting operation. Eldridge had been talking
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Speaker 1: to an undercover detective posing as a thirteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl on social media, agreeing to meet up to have sex. Instead,
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Speaker 1: he was greeted by police who took him to the
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Speaker 1: county jail for an interview. Eldredge admitted to having met
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Speaker 1: up with a different thirteen year old child and engaging
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Speaker 1: in sex sacks on multiple occasions. He's being held on
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Speaker 1: no bond pending an initial court appearance. Now, according to
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Speaker 1: our friends at WPTA TV, you just heard that was
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Speaker 1: on a different offense. But is there any connection between
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Speaker 1: this guy, Charles Eldridge, and the murders of Liberty German
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Speaker 1: and Abby Williams. I want to go back to the
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Speaker 1: time that they disappeared off of that bridge in Delphi
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Speaker 1: and now it's synonymous with their deaths. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research Institute director at that time,
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Speaker 1: recalls Cheryl, when we were all together at Crime Come
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Speaker 1: last year and we had on all the families. Let's
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning right now. This is our very
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Speaker 1: best lead. And I'll tell you, ask you Wilcott. Let
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Speaker 1: me go to you, Geeve, and I'll judge lawyer. You
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Speaker 1: can find her and ask you Wilcott dot com. The
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Speaker 1: resemblance and his book in photo and the photo of
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Speaker 1: the guy on the bridge is uncanny. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, last night Cheryl McCallum and I were on
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Speaker 1: the phone in the dark talking about this guy and
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Speaker 1: in one of his photos, ashkan and wants you to
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Speaker 1: look it up if you can get to your iPad.
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Speaker 1: In a photo that he himself posted, it's of him,
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Speaker 1: I think, standing in a kitchen and he's gone on
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Speaker 1: blue jeans and they're ripped at the knees. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at that compared to the bridge in Delphi that one
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Speaker 1: of these poor little murdered girls snapped just before her death,
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Speaker 1: that this guy walking toward them. I swear it looks
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Speaker 1: like the same blue jeans. Even so, Ashley, what do
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Speaker 1: you make of their similarities of his mug shot and
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Speaker 1: the guy on the bridge. So I've looked at the pictures.
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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. He looks so similar he
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Speaker 1: could be the one who committed this an as time
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Speaker 1: now having said that, at a minimum, Nancy, at a minimum.
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Speaker 1: Thank god, this investigation is proceeding the way it is
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Speaker 1: in terms of suspects to be considered to find the
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Speaker 1: person he did it. But he could be the man.
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Speaker 1: You know. The nose, the eyes, the hair, the face.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a very unique nose, Cheryl McCullum.
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Speaker 1: It almost looks like somebody punched him in the nose
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Speaker 1: and flattened it out and it stayed that way. The
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Speaker 1: facial hair above the lip down around like a would
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Speaker 1: be goatee, the hair, I mean, Okay, I'm getting carried
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Speaker 1: away on the comparison of the mug shot versus the
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Speaker 1: guy on the bridge. And just imagine, everybody go back
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Speaker 1: in time with me just a short while. These two
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Speaker 1: little girls are out walking around a park. Okay, they're
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Speaker 1: on a bridge, a very popular bridge hang out for tweens.
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Speaker 1: They see a guy walking toward them, their families coming
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Speaker 1: to pick them up in about an hour, and for
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Speaker 1: some reason they get a feeling and they take a
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Speaker 1: picture of this guy coming toward them on the bridge.
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Speaker 1: And one of them has a wherewithal to record what's happening.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking her cell phone was in her pocket. And
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Speaker 1: he's going below the bridge, down below the bridge, telling
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Speaker 1: them where to go. He must have had something in
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Speaker 1: his pockets because in that photo as he walks toward them,
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Speaker 1: his hands are in his pocket, something like a knife
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Speaker 1: or a gun. Cheryl McCullum, you are the expert of
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Speaker 1: the crime scene. Tell me what happened, then, Nancy. He
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Speaker 1: leads both of them down the embankment and that's where
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Speaker 1: the murders occurred. But there's something else I want people
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Speaker 1: to look at about this particular guy. The man on
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Speaker 1: the bridge has what I think looks like almost a
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Speaker 1: fanny pack on, and you and I talked a year
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Speaker 1: ago where I think that's where he had either the
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Speaker 1: dip kighs or a weapon or something easy access. Right
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Speaker 1: there to his right hand. There's a Halloween photographs of
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Speaker 1: this man where he's dressed in like an army camo
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Speaker 1: looking outfit. But he's got the boots, he's got the knife,
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Speaker 1: he's got the velcro patches like the thin blue line.
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Speaker 1: That's no Halloween costume. He already owned that stuff. And
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Speaker 1: on each side of him is a pack. So again
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Speaker 1: we know this guy hunt. We know this guy's a
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Speaker 1: child predator. We know he has a knife. What they
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Speaker 1: have got to do is getting his cell phone and
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Speaker 1: his computer because on his Facebook page he posts about
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Speaker 1: the Delphi murders. Find out where this guy was. Valentine's
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. What happened? Tell me that day from the
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Speaker 1: time they got there for dinner. Oh, they went upstairs.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I'll become bringing in a big old tote
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Speaker 1: of paint. Paint. Yeah, they were gonna paint. Of course,
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Speaker 1: Libby's room nearly as organized as Abbey's her stuffs everywhere
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Speaker 1: still is. Um he walked through and you find some
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Speaker 1: paint here, and you find some paint there, and all
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Speaker 1: of our other stuff. But uh, so they went upstairs
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Speaker 1: and uh they've of course, you know how kids do.
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Speaker 1: They take lots of selfies and videos, and so we
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Speaker 1: know what they were doing that night because Libby did
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Speaker 1: some videos and of Abby there painting, and and we
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Speaker 1: there is there is a canvas there of where they
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Speaker 1: started a new painting, said chocolate. Imagine that some right,
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Speaker 1: I can't remember. There was something wrong with one of
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Speaker 1: the letters. It was so they um, they were up
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Speaker 1: in the room doing their their thing. And they of
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Speaker 1: course they're up half the night. Girls stuff, girls talk. Whatever.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing me talking with Libby's grandma, Becky Patty
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Speaker 1: about the girls sleepover the night before they went missing.
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Speaker 1: And my daughter's right there at that age. She loves
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Speaker 1: having sleepovers, having friends over, and they stay up all
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Speaker 1: night painting and laughing and doing crafts and playing nerf battles,
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Speaker 1: the works, and I love hearing bursts of laughter coming
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Speaker 1: out of their room. And I'm just thinking back on
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Speaker 1: these two Liberty German and Abigail Williams the night before
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Speaker 1: having their spend the night party. You know, it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge and lawyer at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
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Speaker 1: It seems as if the family, these two girls, they
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Speaker 1: want to live in the world before the girls were murdered,
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Speaker 1: that's what they want to talk about the night before
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Speaker 1: all there. I think it was softball and their activities
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Speaker 1: and how smart they were and how great they were
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Speaker 1: doing at school. That's what they want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about that they were murdered. Sure,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and that's not a typical I see it on
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Speaker 1: the bench all the time, because that's called the survival.
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Speaker 1: You've lost the most important thing too in the world.
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Speaker 1: Survival is you want to remember the good. You want
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Speaker 1: to remember the laughter you just described. You want to
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Speaker 1: remember all of the positive because the aftermap is too horrific.
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Speaker 1: You cannot live in that all of the time and survived. No,
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Speaker 1: you can't. Is there a break in the case. Let's
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Speaker 1: retrace what happened the night before. They had to spend
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Speaker 1: the night party together. Then came that morning. They slept
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Speaker 1: in and they got up, I don't know, its nine thirty,
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Speaker 1: ten o'clock, and they had pancakes for breakfast, French and U.
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Speaker 1: They came out and said, we want something to do. Well,
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Speaker 1: my my office is at home, and I said, dreaded words,
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Speaker 1: what can we do? And that was libby all time.
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Speaker 1: If she if she had to set still for five minutes,
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Speaker 1: it's we're gonna do something this weekend? Are we gonna?
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Speaker 1: You know? What are we doing? What's plans? So we
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Speaker 1: were quite busy with her um and I said, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I got some files that need to be filed.
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Speaker 1: You want to make some money? Bet they were. They
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Speaker 1: were out there working away, and especially if you said
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Speaker 1: I'll take a shopping. You know, you do this for me,
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Speaker 1: I'll take a shopping. So they were out there and um,
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Speaker 1: they and Kelsey, Libby's sister, come out and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop by a friend's house for a little
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Speaker 1: bit and then I have to be at work for Libby.
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Speaker 1: That's all it took. She jumped up and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: because it was a beautiful day. It was a you know,
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Speaker 1: it was about her action drops Hey we she and
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Speaker 1: I said, well what about this filing? Okay, we'll do
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Speaker 1: it later. I promise we'll do it later. And so
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Speaker 1: I said, well that's fine. She said, can Kelsey drop
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Speaker 1: us off at the trails? And I said, well okay,
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Speaker 1: but I'm busy. You're going to have to get a
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Speaker 1: ride home. And the morning was normal. And what's significant
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Speaker 1: to me about that? To forensics expert Professor Forensics Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, what's also very
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Speaker 1: critical about what the family just said about that morning.
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Speaker 1: The girls weren't living on social media. They weren't glue
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Speaker 1: to their iPads playing some crazy game on musical or TikTok.
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Speaker 1: They were painting and playing, and when they heard somebody
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Speaker 1: was leaving the house, that's all it took. Hey, I'm going.
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Speaker 1: So that says to me they were not plotting to
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Speaker 1: meet somebody on the del Fi Bridge. They were really
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Speaker 1: just going outside to a tween hangout. Joe Scott Morgan, Yeah,
21:57
Speaker 1: I think that that is a significant nancy. And also
22:00
Speaker 1: maybe their social media footprint wasn't as large as some
22:04
Speaker 1: other people is, and therefore you might not have somebody
22:08
Speaker 1: that's just stalking them online. But the fact that they
22:12
Speaker 1: wanted to go out, they wanted to go out, they
22:15
Speaker 1: wanted to take their play outside, they wanted to go
22:18
Speaker 1: to these trails. I think that that is significant because
22:21
Speaker 1: maybe just maybe the killer was kind of lying in
22:26
Speaker 1: wait out there, which seems to be the case. Yeah,
22:29
Speaker 1: And you know, to Cheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research Institute
22:32
Speaker 1: Director Cheryl, we've set all along. It had to be
22:37
Speaker 1: somebody that knew about the bridge at Delphi's an old
22:39
Speaker 1: train trestle that is no longer used for trains. See them,
22:43
Speaker 1: they were all over where. I grew up and we
22:46
Speaker 1: were always told not to play on them because we
22:47
Speaker 1: were they My parents were afraid would jump off of them.
22:51
Speaker 1: But these girls apparently knew not to jump off the
22:54
Speaker 1: train trestle and all the kids went out there. So
22:59
Speaker 1: this is somebody that knows about the train trestle, but
23:02
Speaker 1: someone that may not live in that town that anyone
23:05
Speaker 1: would recognize the picture which fits with this guy Anthy.
23:10
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to focus on what Joe
23:14
Speaker 1: thought was just saying. If you look at his clothing
23:18
Speaker 1: versus their clothing, Like Libby just got on the light
23:21
Speaker 1: jacket and a shirt, this guy's got on loved and
23:25
Speaker 1: an undershirt and an overshirt and a coast hoodie, and
23:29
Speaker 1: he's got the hat on like been right, he's been
23:33
Speaker 1: out there laying in wait. This absolutely looks like a
23:37
Speaker 1: crime of opportunity. Whoever came along was going to be
23:41
Speaker 1: his victim. When you take a listeners, I'm talking to
23:44
Speaker 1: Abbey's mom. That's Abigail williams Our with Liberty German the
23:48
Speaker 1: day the two little girls were murdered, and I think
23:52
Speaker 1: sex assaulted because sex assault is the motive and practically
23:57
Speaker 1: every stranger on child abduction nor attack. They just haven't
24:02
Speaker 1: released it is my thought. Take a listen to Abby's mom,
24:06
Speaker 1: Anna Williams, talking to me about picking up basically where
24:10
Speaker 1: Becky Patty left off. So did she go? Did you
24:13
Speaker 1: take her to the park to meet up? Yeah? I
24:16
Speaker 1: picked Libby up and we'd take any What time of
24:18
Speaker 1: the day was it the day before? Oh? It was.
24:21
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the weather out here. It
24:22
Speaker 1: was not the nicest day. It was kind of wendy,
24:24
Speaker 1: an overcast. It was probably about one thirty or two o'clocks,
24:28
Speaker 1: so it's still daylight. Oh yeah, Then what happened? So
24:31
Speaker 1: I we'd gone to the house and gathered up her
24:34
Speaker 1: things and I dropped them off and she spent the night.
24:38
Speaker 1: And I worked two jobs at that time. So I
24:41
Speaker 1: was finishing up my shift at the nursing home and
24:44
Speaker 1: she had texted me and said, is it okay if
24:46
Speaker 1: I stay for dinner? And this is like at twelve thirty,
24:49
Speaker 1: and I said, this was at your house? Yeah, she
24:50
Speaker 1: was at their house. And I said, well that's fine,
24:52
Speaker 1: but I have to be at my other job at four.
24:54
Speaker 1: So if you can't stay until eight and somebody can't,
24:59
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be one of those deals.
25:00
Speaker 1: Either you stay until I can get off of work,
25:02
Speaker 1: or if you know, Kelsey's come back to town, or
25:05
Speaker 1: they're you know, want to get rid of you. They'll
25:06
Speaker 1: have to drive you off the house because I can't
25:08
Speaker 1: get you. And she said it's fine, so I said, okay,
25:10
Speaker 1: right now. Cops hunting the twenty seventeen killer of two
25:14
Speaker 1: little girls on Indiana rail tracks there in Delphi, they've
25:19
Speaker 1: been taking a very hard look at a quote child
25:22
Speaker 1: molester about one hundred miles away, after the public spots
25:29
Speaker 1: the uncanny similarity between this guy Charles Eldridge forty six
25:35
Speaker 1: years old mug shot and a suspect sketch drawn from
25:41
Speaker 1: an actual photo taken by the two murdered girls at
25:46
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27:02
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27:13
Speaker 1: know someone who matches the description both of the person
27:16
Speaker 1: in the picture as well as that audio, someone who
27:19
Speaker 1: may be similar in those regards? Also, do you know
27:22
Speaker 1: someone who may have drastically tried to change their appearance recently?
27:26
Speaker 1: Perhaps they've tried to cut their hair, started to wear
27:28
Speaker 1: different clothing. Also consider this, Do you know someone who
27:31
Speaker 1: is a different mood recently? Perhaps they've grown to be
27:34
Speaker 1: really obsessed with this case, or they just something wanted
27:37
Speaker 1: to dramatically tune it out and know nothing about him. Lastly,
27:40
Speaker 1: do you know someone who missed an appointment? Perhaps last
27:43
Speaker 1: Monday or last Tuesday, or was laid for it. Any
27:46
Speaker 1: combination of things like that, police say could make all
27:49
Speaker 1: the difference in making an arrest in this case. This
27:52
Speaker 1: all comes, the latest development comes as this community here
27:55
Speaker 1: in Delphi tries to move on and put this case
27:57
Speaker 1: behind them. Hundreds turned out for a vigil last night
28:00
Speaker 1: here in downtown Delphi at the courthouse to try to
28:03
Speaker 1: pray for the victims' families and pray for a quick
28:05
Speaker 1: arrest in this case and for that feeling of safety
28:08
Speaker 1: to return here in the small town. The phone was running.
28:12
Speaker 1: She might have a lot of stuff on there. We
28:14
Speaker 1: don't know yet. You know, she had to be feeling
28:16
Speaker 1: threatened enough to have the wherewithal to start videoing this
28:20
Speaker 1: man that was walking. Our friends at w THRTV. That's
28:24
Speaker 1: Ben Hill and Julia Moffatt talking about the audio captured
28:29
Speaker 1: by libby Liberty German just before her murder. That video,
28:36
Speaker 1: that audio is critical in this case. When a suspect
28:41
Speaker 1: is developed and God willing he will be, he can
28:45
Speaker 1: be forced pursue it to search warrant. Isn't that right?
28:47
Speaker 1: As she Wilcot judge lawyer Ash Wilcott dot com, he
28:51
Speaker 1: can be forced pursue it to search warrant to give
28:54
Speaker 1: a voice exemplar where he speaks many many words, sentences.
28:59
Speaker 1: Phrases include booting down the hill, down the hill, down
29:03
Speaker 1: the hill. Just as if you get a search warrant
29:06
Speaker 1: for somebody's home or car or trailer or curtilage which
29:10
Speaker 1: is the surroundings of the home, or a search warrant
29:13
Speaker 1: for somebody's blood, so you can do DNA or their
29:17
Speaker 1: hair or their fingerprint. You can do that. Under search
29:21
Speaker 1: warrant law, he can be forced to give a voice
29:23
Speaker 1: exemplar Astulely Wilcot correct, absolutely, Nancy, and so there has
29:27
Speaker 1: to be probable cause. And I would submit in this
29:29
Speaker 1: case given the stark resemblance to the picture taken by
29:32
Speaker 1: the two girls who were murdered, as well as his
29:34
Speaker 1: propensity and admission to like underage girls, there's probable cause.
29:39
Speaker 1: Police have announced that a widely circulated photo of the
29:41
Speaker 1: main suspect and a double homicide of two Indiana teenagers
29:45
Speaker 1: was taken by one of the victims before she was killed.
29:49
Speaker 1: In February fourteenth, the bodies of Liberty German and Abigail
29:52
Speaker 1: Williams were found one day after they were reported missing.
29:55
Speaker 1: At a press conference on Wednesday, police announced that Liberty
29:58
Speaker 1: not only took the photo of the male suspec but
30:00
Speaker 1: she also recorded a video moments before her death that
30:03
Speaker 1: includes audio of a man talking. Although officials are unsure
30:06
Speaker 1: whether the voice belongs to the suspect, the Liberty was
30:09
Speaker 1: held as a hero by the Indiana State Police for
30:11
Speaker 1: her quick thinking. While police initially did not suspect foul
30:14
Speaker 1: play in the girl's disappearance, they later announced that the
30:16
Speaker 1: girls were the victims of a double homicide. The wordies
30:19
Speaker 1: have not yet discussed a motive. Superintendent of the Indiana
30:22
Speaker 1: State Police addressed the suspect directly at wednesday's press conference.
30:26
Speaker 1: He said, quote, if you're watching, we'll find you. Our
30:29
Speaker 1: friend of People magazine, Kevin o'collin reporting. Now, I don't
30:33
Speaker 1: get this. Officials are not sure in the voice belongs
30:36
Speaker 1: to the suspect. What director of Coal Case Research, Sheryl
30:40
Speaker 1: McCollum with me, of course it's him. Who else? It's
30:43
Speaker 1: ordering the girls down the hill? Down the hill they
30:46
Speaker 1: were found murdered. Quote down the heel. Of course it's him. Oh,
30:52
Speaker 1: the voice is the killer, There's no question about it.
30:55
Speaker 1: Nancy and You're absolutely right about getting any suspect to
30:58
Speaker 1: say those faithful words. They're gonna do that. And here's
31:02
Speaker 1: one more thing I just want to say. Let's say
31:04
Speaker 1: it's not this guy. What's the worst it's going to happen.
31:08
Speaker 1: We now know what another child predator looks like, Good
31:12
Speaker 1: showwoods face everywhere, because even if he's not the DELFI killer,
31:16
Speaker 1: he's somebody we need to be worried about. We're talking
31:19
Speaker 1: about Charles Eldred. It was arrested in Union City, Indiana
31:24
Speaker 1: on child molestation and that was a sting operation. I mean, realistically,
31:29
Speaker 1: speaking to Ashley Wilcott, judge and lawyer, if the cops
31:34
Speaker 1: finally get him on a sting, how many other young
31:38
Speaker 1: girls have been molested by him? And he really doesn't
31:40
Speaker 1: make any secret of it. He kind of brags about having,
31:43
Speaker 1: as he says, quote sex with other thirteen year old
31:47
Speaker 1: girls that's actually statutory rape. I don't know what he's thinking,
31:51
Speaker 1: but this guy practically brags about it. So you know,
31:55
Speaker 1: I always say, you don't go from zero to one
31:57
Speaker 1: twenty mph overnight. Who whoever did this to Liberty and
32:01
Speaker 1: Abigail has a track record, Ashley Willcott, Oh a thousand percent.
32:06
Speaker 1: And again we see this all the time and statistically
32:08
Speaker 1: so this man that they're now questioning is in his forties.
32:12
Speaker 1: He has been doing this, I promise you, as a perpetrator,
32:16
Speaker 1: as a pedophile for a very very long time. The
32:19
Speaker 1: one who committed these crimes, whether it's him or someone else,
32:22
Speaker 1: has been doing this for a long time. This is
32:25
Speaker 1: not the first occasion. For nearly a year and a half,
32:29
Speaker 1: people in law enforcement have been desperately looking for this man.
32:33
Speaker 1: It's basically just a clear picture of his face, a
32:35
Speaker 1: sketch of a suspect authorities belief may be responsible for
32:38
Speaker 1: the murder of Abby Williams and Lily German in Delphi,
32:42
Speaker 1: a crime that devastated Carroll County. Yeah, we need take
32:48
Speaker 1: it personally. We don't know what's happened here. Just kind
32:50
Speaker 1: of floors you. He just you, It nummifies you now Again,
32:56
Speaker 1: Attention on this case is sharpened following the arrest of
32:59
Speaker 1: a man in Randolph County who bears a striking resemblance
33:03
Speaker 1: to the Delphi suspect. Charles Eldridge was arrested in Union City,
33:07
Speaker 1: about two and a half hours away from Delphi, charged
33:10
Speaker 1: with child molestation. You're hearing our friend at wtr TV,
33:15
Speaker 1: Alan Carter, reporting on Charles Eldridge, and now take a
33:20
Speaker 1: listen as he talks with Abbey's mother, Anna Williams and
33:24
Speaker 1: Libby's grandfather might Patty. Eldridge's case has been forwarded to
33:27
Speaker 1: the FBI and state police investigators tell me it's still
33:31
Speaker 1: too early to make any connection and are not calling
33:34
Speaker 1: Eldridge a person of interest, only that they investigate all
33:38
Speaker 1: leads that come to them, reminding that they've had nearly
33:41
Speaker 1: half a dozen individuals reported to them based on resemblance,
33:45
Speaker 1: most notably Daniel Nations, a registered sex offender arrested in Colorado.
33:50
Speaker 1: State police later determined that Nations is not a suspect.
33:54
Speaker 1: In talking to the girls families in the past, they've
33:56
Speaker 1: said that they pray for answers, but can't get too
33:59
Speaker 1: hopeful over each lead. Every time something like this comes up,
34:02
Speaker 1: we hope and we pray, and we hope and we
34:04
Speaker 1: pray some more. This tip here just happened to become publicized,
34:08
Speaker 1: you know where. We've had twenty six thousand other tips
34:10
Speaker 1: that maybe didn't get the publicity that this one did.
34:13
Speaker 1: So let's let the professionals do this job. Our friends
34:16
Speaker 1: at WTHRTV Alan Carter talking with Abby and Liberty's family.
34:21
Speaker 1: From what we know, there were no cameras at the
34:25
Speaker 1: entrance of that wilderness park. There were no cameras near
34:28
Speaker 1: that abandoned trained trustle nor their cameras such as around
34:33
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34:38
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35:55
Speaker 1: dropped them off. It's just getting me so upset because
35:58
Speaker 1: um and I've even on it. Okay, they'll be okay
36:01
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes. It's just thirty minutes. Look impossible. I'll
36:05
Speaker 1: run to Crowburn, I'll come back. It's thirty minutes, and
36:08
Speaker 1: then I'm nut up the whole time. So an hour
36:10
Speaker 1: and a half that was it. So they go. We dropped.
36:16
Speaker 1: What's your last memory of her? She was standing at
36:22
Speaker 1: the door of the office with this smile that she has,
36:27
Speaker 1: and I said, it could be a little chilly out there.
36:29
Speaker 1: You get a jacket. She look a sitting for grandma.
36:33
Speaker 1: I said, I told you get a jacket. She just
36:36
Speaker 1: looked at me and smiled and said, I'll be okay.
36:38
Speaker 1: It's okay. Grandma, and she turned around and walked out.
36:43
Speaker 1: My last memories are her standing at my office door
36:46
Speaker 1: telling me it's okay, I'm not gonna get a gold
36:48
Speaker 1: So that's that's my last memory. You were hearing me
36:52
Speaker 1: talking to Libby's grandma, Becky Patty, with whom she lived.
36:57
Speaker 1: This is Libby's grandfather, Mike. When was the next time?
37:01
Speaker 1: What was the next thing you heard? Tell me from
37:04
Speaker 1: your point of view? Well, um, again, these times are
37:08
Speaker 1: going to be close because we've been we've been scrutinized
37:11
Speaker 1: on many times. I mean it's all approximations. Again, they
37:14
Speaker 1: were probably dropped off around one thirty time frame. Derek
37:18
Speaker 1: called him about a quarter after three. Now is that
37:21
Speaker 1: Derek is the dad who's going to pick him up?
37:24
Speaker 1: So about a quarter up of three, he calls him,
37:26
Speaker 1: no answer to tell him, Hey, I'm I'm just about there.
37:30
Speaker 1: Come pick me up, you know, or come to the car,
37:32
Speaker 1: and continues to call act. So he's there. He gets
37:36
Speaker 1: pulling up, Yeah, yes, pulling up. But there's what we
37:39
Speaker 1: call trailhead, you know, a little little area to park.
37:43
Speaker 1: So said he got out and was walking, you know,
37:46
Speaker 1: trying to text him, and about three to thirty or
37:48
Speaker 1: so like, called Becky and said, hey, I can't get
37:51
Speaker 1: ahold of living should not answer and give her a call,
37:53
Speaker 1: And so she tried calling, and then our daughter Tara
37:58
Speaker 1: tried calling. So everybody's texting and calling and she's not returning,
38:03
Speaker 1: and that's way out of character. I mean, you know,
38:05
Speaker 1: kids have their phone that is there, that's it. And
38:10
Speaker 1: so Becky called me probably about a quarter till four.
38:13
Speaker 1: So I was at working off yet and said, hey,
38:17
Speaker 1: letby's not answering something wrong. We're heading out there. It's
38:19
Speaker 1: just not doesn't seem right. I said, okay, so I'll
38:22
Speaker 1: head that way, just thinking, okay, where they you know,
38:26
Speaker 1: first thing goes they've hooked up with some boys. They're
38:28
Speaker 1: out doing. Say, they're not answering their phone because I
38:30
Speaker 1: don't want to get caught. And then so by four
38:33
Speaker 1: o'clock most of the family is there. When did you
38:38
Speaker 1: realize something was not right at all? Well, our whole
38:43
Speaker 1: family was out there looking. We all laughed. Tara, my
38:48
Speaker 1: daughter went straight over there. Derrek was there. My son
38:53
Speaker 1: come pulling in from my other son come pulling in
38:56
Speaker 1: as I was leaving, and he said, what are you doing?
38:59
Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna look for the girls. So he
39:01
Speaker 1: jumped in the car with me. We drove. If they
39:05
Speaker 1: would have decided to walk home, we drove both directions
39:08
Speaker 1: that they would have gone, both routes. We got there.
39:10
Speaker 1: We had six cars there. We were taking over everything.
39:14
Speaker 1: We split up. We walked all the trails. Cody and
39:19
Speaker 1: Kelsey went across the bridge. They went. They went across
39:22
Speaker 1: and up to the road and up to the houses
39:24
Speaker 1: up there were the sheriffs there yet not yet. By
39:27
Speaker 1: this time it was a little after five. Was it
39:29
Speaker 1: getting dark? No, not yet. It wasn't. But I knew
39:31
Speaker 1: it was going And I was on the phone most
39:33
Speaker 1: of the time with AT and T trying to get
39:35
Speaker 1: them to ping her phone. And they won't, they won't
39:38
Speaker 1: do it. I was just gonna ask, will they do that? Vincent.
39:41
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll just do it when you ask. No,
39:43
Speaker 1: not right off of that, right now. A furor over
39:47
Speaker 1: or the public identifying in intense similarities between the book
39:52
Speaker 1: and photo of a forty six year old confessed child molester,
39:55
Speaker 1: Charles Eldridge, who lived about one hundred miles away from Delphi.
40:00
Speaker 1: He lives in Union City. That mug shot compared to
40:03
Speaker 1: the sketch of the men on the bridge approaching the
40:07
Speaker 1: girls just before their murderers. I want to go out
40:12
Speaker 1: to Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. What
40:16
Speaker 1: if anything are Delphi police saying about this guy Charles Eldridge.
40:20
Speaker 1: Currently zero evidence that ties him. But that's currently They
40:24
Speaker 1: are still looking, still investigating. They're not going to tell
40:28
Speaker 1: us anything unless they do find something. But he has
40:31
Speaker 1: not been cleared as the suspect. They are looking into
40:34
Speaker 1: him as as far as they can right Cheryl McCollum,
40:38
Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, What does that mean?
40:41
Speaker 1: That's cop talk translate. It just means that they are
40:44
Speaker 1: not going to go forward and let anybody know a
40:47
Speaker 1: saying that they have until they are ready to make
40:50
Speaker 1: an arrest. They're going to hold everything close to the chest,
40:53
Speaker 1: and as soon as they know that they are going
40:56
Speaker 1: to make an arrest, they're going to let everybody know.
40:59
Speaker 1: No one else share. Oh I'm looking at the picture.
41:01
Speaker 1: Even the eyebrows are the same shape as his churled
41:05
Speaker 1: Eldridge's eyebrows. Even the eye, if you look at the
41:09
Speaker 1: left eye, the left eye. Go with me, Cheryl, Go
41:14
Speaker 1: with me. Look at his left eye compared to the
41:18
Speaker 1: slant of the one in the sketch. Look at it,
41:24
Speaker 1: Like you said earlier, the hair, red hair, that's gonna
41:27
Speaker 1: reduce your suspect cooled dramatically. How many child the lesters
41:31
Speaker 1: have red hair? How many are going to have a
41:34
Speaker 1: nose like that, eyebrows like that, lines in their cheek
41:37
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, it is uncanny the resemblance. But again,
41:42
Speaker 1: here's what they're gonna do. They're gonna make sure they've
41:44
Speaker 1: got this guy, whoever the killer is. Deb's were right
41:49
Speaker 1: before they make an announcement too. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert,
41:53
Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and professor
41:56
Speaker 1: of forensics at Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott how can
42:01
Speaker 1: they do that? How can they get an airtight lock? Hey,
42:03
Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy, I'm really excited about the image
42:07
Speaker 1: that they have and being able to compare photographically. But
42:13
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to have a butt. You know,
42:15
Speaker 1: if you never have any good news, Joe Scott Morgan,
42:18
Speaker 1: because everything you say, there's always a butt. I was
42:20
Speaker 1: just waiting, sword, Okay, give me the butt. This is
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Speaker 1: this butt is fantastic news. I'm more interested in at
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Speaker 1: a molecular level, what created these features, and that's going
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Speaker 1: to be the tie back. Nancy, his DNA. He had
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Speaker 1: contact with these girls. Now, as you stated many times,
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Speaker 1: the motivation behind these attacks is in fact sexual if
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Speaker 1: he performed an act with them and left some type
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Speaker 1: of DNA behind. Coupling that also with the suspect that
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Speaker 1: they have that has freely admitted that he has engaged
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Speaker 1: in sexual activity, I'm wondering in those array, did they
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Speaker 1: do DNA swabs many times that they're a registered sex offender,
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Speaker 1: that has to happen, and then you compare all of
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Speaker 1: that with the suspect that they have now. I think
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Speaker 1: that that is going to be key here. Remember back
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Speaker 1: last summer when we were up in Nashville at Crime Con.
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Speaker 1: Even the family said they knew more at that point
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Speaker 1: in time, but out of respect for the police in
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Speaker 1: the investigation, they weren't saying anything else. I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of this has to go tie back to the
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Speaker 1: manner and cause of death as well as what happened
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Speaker 1: in that attack. I think the cops are playing it
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Speaker 1: close to the vest, like Cheryl said, and I think
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Speaker 1: that they've got a well spring of evidence in this case.
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Speaker 1: So what time did they let you know? The next
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Speaker 1: day they had found the girls. I think we were
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Speaker 1: I don't know where we all were at various points.
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Speaker 1: I'd actually gotten in a canoe and floated down the
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Speaker 1: creek for probably half a mile. I'd just gotten out
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Speaker 1: gotten back to the fire station. Becky was. They were
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Speaker 1: doing a very coordinated search, and that's how they worked
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Speaker 1: at the starting the next morning where hundreds and hundreds
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Speaker 1: of people were showing up, and they would send out
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Speaker 1: groups with some sort of law office or whether it
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Speaker 1: was you know, somebody from the fire station. Because you
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Speaker 1: can't just trustpass on people's property. You know, if you
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Speaker 1: do it, do it correct. Yeah, I remember that there
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Speaker 1: was a search. Weren't executed on the person's home and
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Speaker 1: property right now or where the girls were found. Everybody
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Speaker 1: immediately thought, wow, that must be the purse and the purp,
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Speaker 1: but not necessarily that's just where where were you when
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Speaker 1: you learned that I was searching? We were all indifferent.
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Speaker 1: We were all split up because we all He was
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Speaker 1: in a canoe, I was, I was in a group.
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Speaker 1: I was in a group that wasn't even close at
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Speaker 1: the time. But a friend of ours was with one
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Speaker 1: of the groups that found them, and he and his
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Speaker 1: wife was with us, and he called her. They told
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Speaker 1: me that they found him, but that's all they would
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Speaker 1: tell me at that time. That's all that they would
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Speaker 1: tell them, because the two little girls were murdered. If
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Speaker 1: you have information, please call eight four four four five nine,
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Speaker 1: five seven eight six repeat eight four four, four, five, nine,
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Speaker 1: five seven eight six. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend